Frame of Reference - Coming Together
"Frame of Reference - Profiles in Leadership" and "Frame of Reference - Coming together" are conversational style shows with local, national, and global experts about issues that affect all of us in some way. I’m, at heart, a “theatre person”. I was drawn to theatre in Junior High School and studied it long enough to get a Master of Fine Arts in Stage Direction. It’s the one thing that I’m REALLY passionate about it because as Shakespeare noted, “all the world’s a stage and all the men and women merely players”. Think about the universality of that line for just a moment. Think about the types of “theatre” that play out around us every day in today’s world. The dramatic, the comedic, the absurd, the existential, the gorilla theatre (it’s a thing, look it up) that is pumped into our Smart Phones, TV’s, Radios, and PC’s every minute of every day.
Think about the tremendous forces that “play” upon us - trying to first discover, then channel, feed, nurture, and finally harvest our will power and biases in order to move forward the agendas of leaders we will likely never meet. Think of all these forces (behind the scenes of course) and how they use the basic tools of theatre to work their “magic” on the course of humanity. Emotionally charged content matched to carefully measured and controlled presentations.
With that in mind (and to hopefully counter the more insidious agendas), I bring you the Frame of Reference "Family" of podcasts, where the voices of our local and global leadership can share their passion for why and how they are leaders in their community and in many cases, the world. Real players with real roles in a world of real problems. No special effects, no hidden agenda, just the facts and anecdotes that make a leader.
And at the risk of sounding trite, I sincerely thank my wife Ann and my two children Elisabeth and Josiah for continually teaching me what leadership SHOULD look like.
Frame of Reference - Coming Together
The Poetic Cosmos and the Science of Infinite Energy
Embark on an enthralling voyage through the cosmos with Tom Paladino, a trailblazer in the field of scalar energy research. This episode promises to unravel the mysteries of a force that permeates our universe, offering insights into an energy form that powers life itself and connects cultures through concepts like chi, prana, and zero-point energy. As we explore these profound principles with Tom, prepare to be captivated by the poetic and artistic threads that unite celestial marvels, the harmonies of classical music, and the timeless verses of the Bible with the fabric of our daily lives.
Delicately woven into this cosmic tapestry is Nikola Tesla's electrifying legacy, his vision of energy transmission, and the technological marvels that sprouted from his genius. We pay homage to Tesla's AC triumph, reflect on his peculiar yet brilliant mind, and dream of a future where scalar energy's boundless potential reshapes our world. This is not just a history lesson; it's a glimpse into the possibilities lying dormant, awaiting rediscovery and application in a world thirsty for clean, infinite power sources.
The episode culminates with a provocative exploration of scalar energy as a universal intelligence, a concept meshing with both ancient wisdom and cutting-edge quantum physics. We challenge traditional scientific paradigms as Tom Paladino shares controversial yet fascinating ideas on scalar energy's ability to transcend the physical, nurturing our curiosity about teleportation and the transmission of nutrients. Our conversation is a clarion call for open minds and hearts to embrace a journey of discovery, where science meets spirituality, and the future is limited only by our imagination.
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Welcome to Frame of Reference informed, intelligent conversations about the issues and challenges facing everyone in today's world. In-depth interviews to help you expand and inform your frame of reference. Now here's your host, raoul Labrèche.
Speaker 2:Well, welcome everyone to another edition of Frame of Reference Profiles in Leadership, and tonight is an opportunity. This is one of the first times I've recorded later in the evening, here in Wisconsin at least, so with someone that's even later in the evening because, tom, if I understand right, you're on Eastern Coast time, so it's something like 6.30 there, right? So I appreciate you joining me. I'm sure this should be a great time where you could be out having cocktails with friends or doing something much more fun than talking with me. So I appreciate that you're taking the time out to do this. Tom, it's great to meet you, but Tom Palladino is sitting across from me. He is an expert in scalar energy and a researcher in that in Florida.
Speaker 2:Scalar energy is a fundamental life force found everywhere in the world, space and universe. It originates from the sun and stars, the chi, the prana, the OM, mana, the life force, the pyramid energy, the zero point energy are synchronous terms for scalar energy. And yet here I am having the conducting this interview, beginning in, and I have to tell you, when I saw the word scalar, I thought well as scalar isn't that like the thing you you get on top of and it tells you you need to hit the weights again. You know so it was. It's interesting to find out that no raw, there is something more to the world than weight scales when you're talking scalar energy. So, tom, thank you for joining me today. It's a pleasure to meet you and to get to know you.
Speaker 3:I appreciate your humor. Thank you for your audience. Thank you, sir Well.
Speaker 2:Tom, you know one of my New Year's resolutions. There you go. It's been so long since the New Year now I've even forgotten what that is. But New Year's resolution is I'm going to stop trying to introduce my guests and instead let my guests introduce themselves. So if you're in an elevator and someone turns to you and says Tom, who is Tom Palladino, what's your answer to that? Not that that should happen in an elevator, but it might. You never know, right. So be prepared.
Speaker 3:You never know. So here goes. I'm a researcher, I research the sun and the stars, and the energy that I've described as scalar energy is the energy that powers the sun and the stars. So I am, if you will, researching the primal force of the universe Scalar energy, solar energy, call it what you will life force energy. Why is that important? All instructions, all energy originates from the sun and the stars. So I am going back in time to the cause, to the first cause, to the first principle of the universe. And that's important because it gives the first principle of the universe. And that's important because it gives us greater understanding of the universe. If you can go back to the first cause, it gives you really a profound, intimate understanding of the universe.
Speaker 2:That's what I do for a living. So you're researching the uncaused cause. That's what it comes down to. The uncaused cause. That's what it comes down to, the uncaused cause, thank you. So you know.
Speaker 2:It's interesting too, because back when I was a kid, you know, when I was a teenager I don't know if you remember Alan Parsons at all Did you ever listen to any Alan Parsons music? So his one music that he had, he had one album I think it was called Time Machine and he had a piece there that began that album and it was the first time that I ever had anyone talk about looking up into the stars, looking up into the heavens and gazing into that and what we know about the universe and what we can see just visually from the universe. He said what you're really looking at is a time machine. And then, of course, the more I learned about the universe and about light and the amount of time it takes for light to get to us, when you're looking at something that's four million light years away, we have no idea what that looks like right now, because the light we're seeing is from four million light years ago.
Speaker 2:So that was a really difficult kind of concept to get my head around that when we look up at the star at night, we're looking up at history. Get my head around that. When we look up at the star at night, we're looking up at history. You know we're looking at at something that has, you know, came long before us and will likely be going on long after us. So, um, but we can talk about that, okay, that's, that's another whole thing. That's probably a whole podcast unto itself, right there, right? So, tom, I I told you, I warned you, we try to start out with a little bit of my favorite things, so I'm going to ask you a favorite thing right away, which is do you have a favorite star?
Speaker 3:A favorite star, the sun Ah that makes sense.
Speaker 2:And if the sun was listening, it would be upset if you didn't say it. Right? If you said Sirius or something, your son would go. Ah, excuse me, but I'm right here, okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what's most relevant, it's our son, the solar system.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it makes sense. So do you go by the name of Saul or do you just call it the old son? Do you have any?
Speaker 3:I've anglicized it. We'll call it Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2:Do you have a favorite constellation?
Speaker 3:I really don't. I love them all. I've never been asked that. I really don't. I think there's just incredible intelligence in each constellation and each one is unique and each one is broadcasting unique information. That's a profound thought.
Speaker 2:It really is. Yeah, we don't think of it that way either, do we? We just kind of well, I think you know, when you talk about take some time to smell the flowers, I tend to think well, take some time to gaze at the stars. So it's a wonderful way to realize just how much there is to not only the universe, but how much there is to the knowledge that we don't have, we don't possess yet. How about you have a favorite book or a favorite author?
Speaker 3:the Bible, why it's truth in the beginning it was light, so light, be light made, and that that's really the, if you will, that the latest that gave us the universe. What did it start with Light? Why you have to have energy to have a universe. Energy serves as instructions. You need intelligence, instructions to have a universe. So God, in his grand design and the master plan, decided that light was going to carry those instructions. This is crucial to understand the universe. That's why light is the first principle.
Speaker 2:But isn't it interesting too, when you think of today's technology with fiber optics, that we've been able to communicate so much information through fibers conducting light? So there's a lot to be unpacked in that, isn't there there?
Speaker 3:is, and light is the perfect instruction, it's the perfect carrier wave and eventually we're going to get away from physical accoutrements, we're going to get away from a physical infrastructure and just have everything non-physical. That's my prediction.
Speaker 2:That would be nice. So get rid of all those ugly wires that are always making things look so unpleasant. So how about? Do you have a favorite poem?
Speaker 3:I'm down. I like the Psalms. I like the 150 Psalms in the Old Testament. Those are poetic to me. Yeah, I would say the Psalms.
Speaker 2:Okay, they are. Yeah, people point to my mother-in-law at the later portions of her life and she, regularly, now when she's going to bed, quotes the 23rd Psalm, which has always been, you know, one of her favorites. It's a lot of people's favorite Psalm, right, but it's been interesting that she remembers so much of it. But it's also indicative of how she's failing as she struggles with more and more parts of it as we go along. But such is life, right? So what about? Do you have a favorite type of music that you like listening to?
Speaker 3:Classical. The more I get into classical music I'm I've slowed down.
Speaker 2:When I was a kid I listened to till pop, to rock, that's changed now, sure any particular composer that you like everybody, maybe from brahms to mozart, vato anybody so I have friends that are classical uh, aficionados, I will call them and they believe that it isn't classical unless it's 1900 or earlier. Are you one of those classical people?
Speaker 3:I'm not and I don't have a credence to that. Why do I like classical music? Because so often they've incorporated the golden mean or the divine proportion in their music. Their music has great meaning because their music copies nature. You could actually see the Fibonacci sequence or other mathematical formula in their composition. So we copy nature. That's the highest form of art as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2:It's interesting to have talked with people that grow a lot of, you know, do a lot of gardening or a lot of gardening or growing plants in their backyards or whatnot, and they'll tell you pretty regularly that the type of music that they try to play when they're out in the garden tending to things in the morning is either classical or jazz, and I thought that, well, that makes complete sense now, doesn't it that plants would go yeah, I'm grooving to that. Play some more Coltr, I'm all over that. Or, you know, play some mozart, because I like that funky mozart. Baby, bring it. So right.
Speaker 3:I've read some reports where classical music, say, versus heavy metal, and plants perform much better and had a more robust life, if you will, under classical influence, classical music as, say, hard rock or heavy metal. So, there must be something there. There must be. You know, music is intelligence and whatever you're projecting into the plants, they absorb, they incorporate that intelligence.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, you think about it too, wasn't it? Most of the classical composers, the greats, were always trying to describe something of beauty. They were trying to describe something of an emotional component of life and the world around them, whereas it strikes me that a lot of our contemporary heavy rock metal, killer metal, oh gosh, that a lot of that is really centered around the selfish experience of hatred, anger. I know I'm upset, I'm, you know, counter-culturing this stupid world that we live in. You know, when you're channeling those kinds of things, I don't know how you could help, but you know, basically, be tele, you know tele communicating thanatos, you know death pretty much in any way, shape or form. So any plant worth its greenery is going to say no, thank, thank you. I'd rather wilt than listen to that any longer.
Speaker 3:So, but uh, it's so life.
Speaker 2:Negating it doesn't make sense to me, I agree yeah, it's interesting and it tells you a lot about our culture today, doesn't it that you're, you know, we're finding people. There is that sort of you know, forces of light versus forces of darkness that are constantly at one's throats. If you will, how about I'll wrap up with this one so we can get in, because there's a lot to talk about. But is there a favorite? And I don't quite know how to describe this.
Speaker 2:I've been working with this question for a while, but it comes down to is there a favorite memory or a favorite experience that you've had, that when you are looking to find a way to maybe find center again or to just kind of calm down, or just maybe it catches you unexpectedly and something reminds you of it and it just it brings you back to a place where you're like I need to remember this, I need to stay in this place more often, I need to, you know, be a part of this, whatever it is. Sometimes people say, when I smell home-baked bread, it just brings me back to these wonderful memories. Blah, blah, blah. Do you have something like?
Speaker 3:that I've had great memories as a youngster. I had an idyllic childhood. So I frequently look back into my past and I say that really was a great way for me to learn, to become enculturated, and it always makes me smile. My past makes me smile, I'm very happy. So if I can look to my roots, that gives me a great deal of influence, that gives me a great deal of clarity. There's always a bright spot in life. I know there's difficulties in life, but concentrate on the positive, Concentrate on how you can improve yourself and improve this world. And I look, I've got fond memories Fond. That always serves as my compass.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go to my grave trying to get the message across. But I, I am so happy that I grew up with my parents were quite a bit older. When they had me, they were both in their forties. Dad was late for his mom was mid forties and you know, so I, I grew up with parents that were, you know, a lot of times people's grandparents age Right so, and they used to play a lot of. You know, you name it, glenn Miller. You know the, the, the big band era to. You know Eddie Arnold and classical music, and the closest thing to jazz was probably swing. You know, but they're, they played a lot of Bing Crosby and one of his, his songs.
Speaker 2:When he talks about you got to accentuate the positive, desensituate the negative and don't mess with Mr Inbetween. And I've always thought, you know that's a great song, not only because of the way Bing sang it, but apparently it comes from like a gospel song of some, that it actually started in the church and he grabbed a hold of it and turned it into a song that you just you gotta accentuate the positive and you just think, well, if that isn't a life motto, I don't know what is. So, but anyway. So, tom, you know, let's talk about the. So scalar energy Now you've talked about that a little bit that so scalar energy really is life force.
Speaker 2:I mean, if we're we were talking you've talked about that a little bit so scalar energy really is life force. I mean, if we were talking Star Wars, I guess, in a contemporary commercialized framework, that the force is there in everything, works through everything, that it's what helps us to communicate ultimately with God, would be my perspective on it, and that you know, when you think about the uncaused cause, right, how did you come to it? I mean, were you studying Tesla and you thought what is going on here? I need to know more about this. What was your beginning of the light bulb going off and going? I need to know more about light.
Speaker 3:My aha moment is when I studied Tesla and Tesla would always refer to God and he described the universe from these points of light he realized that there was this innate energy, this, if you will, uncreated energy. He called it radiant energy and he wanted to control the sun, the energy of the sun, the energy of the stars. So Tesla the reason why he's such a great theorist and inventor he copied nature. The great inventors copy nature. When you go against nature, you're going to fail. So what did Tessa do later in his life? He copied the stars. He started creating free energy instruments, which were stars, miniature stars, and they behaved like a miniature star or a miniature sun. And when I read about his work, I said this is pure genius, because he's been able to understand the secrets of nature and copy them.
Speaker 2:That's the key. No, I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. I was thinking about some of Tesla's experiments that he did. You know his ideas of. You know. I mean, we should have known he was on to something when he was talking about alternating current and, you know, started to show how that was so much more potential for human civilization to grow. And you know potential for human civilization to grow.
Speaker 2:And you know Edison, who of course wanted direct current to be you know the thing of the future, went around electrocuting horses just to prove that. You know this stuff was so dangerous so you got to know that when there's somebody walking around, you know, electrocuting dogs and horses to try to prove you wrong, that something is rotten in Denmark, right so. And yet he fought against that all his life. I mean, thankfully, people like Westinghouse came to his rescue, right and tried to support him. But his ideas, even today, seem crazy. I mean, the poor man died destitute in a hotel room in New York, right with one of his closest friends at the time, was a pigeon. You know it's easy for people to make fun of that and say, well, you know, obviously the man was crazy, right. How do you counter that? How do you get people to say yeah, you're just looking at that much of Tesla.
Speaker 3:He was eccentric, but he wasn't crazy. What Tesla was? He understood the virtue of everything, even pigeons. He realized that they're very docile creatures, very intelligent, and he had a relationship with pigeons. That's true, that's accurate. So what do I see in Tesla? A man who was gifted by God and he followed those gifts. Tesla had hundreds of inventions.
Speaker 3:We would not be here today, the world would look different, without Nikola Tesla. He gave us the modern day age and, whether people understand him or not, nonetheless he's to be commended for what he's done. Two, three hundred, maybe four hundred inventions, many of them we've never seen. They've been confiscated by the United States government. So what is my point? We have to look at these people who've served to change our culture for the better. Tesla, in his effort, was a sea change for mankind. There's no other scientist who's contributed more to humankind than that of Nikola Tesla. We owe him so much gratitude. If we say that George Washington was the founding father of our country, notably the United States, I'd say that Nikola Tesla was the founding father of the modern-day age. He gave modern-day technology.
Speaker 2:So for people that aren't familiar with Tesla either, can you name some of the inventions? I don't want to be the one to sit there going ah, ah, ah, because you're the special, you're the guest today. You get to describe Tesla. What are some of the top things?
Speaker 3:There was a confrontation between Tesla and Edison. Edison wanted DC electricity. Tesla said AC is much to be preferred, and today we only use AC in our homes and our offices. Why it's economical. If we would have used DC, we would have had to have a power plant every half a mile or every mile. That's not tenable. So it's Tess who not only gave us AC electricity, but it was relatively inexpensive and relatively safe.
Speaker 3:Later in his life he started working with the phonograph. He believed in radar. He actually took an X-ray of himself, a self X-ray. He understood these concepts. Many of his accomplishments contributed to the radio. A lot of people say that it was Tesla who gave us the radio, not Marconi. Marconi, if you will, borrowed some of Tesla's ideas. So it was really Tessa and his foundational understanding of nature in which we could, if you will, have this offshoot of so many different inventions. He was the one who started us down this road of AC electricity and therefrom there are so many inventions, there's so much technology that resulted from his spinal effort, from his central nervous system, if you will. We owe him a gratitude. We can never repay him for his genius.
Speaker 3:I firmly believe he was inspired by God. His genius was just unmatched. And many times Tessa would say that God showed him illumination. He actually could see an invention in his mind. He could actually see this. If you will before him an invention, he would not have to put it on paper. Or he would not have to if you will go about some type of trial and error in his laboratory, type of trial and error in his laboratory. So apparently God gave him this knowledge, this illumination, what I would call an intellectual vision. Now, that's quite specific. Very few people enjoy that gift. So if my contention is correct that God gave him the wisdom and I say so then God had a high regard for his integrity, his integrity as an individual. God would not give his wisdom to a person, a man of nefarious intent. So not only was Tesla a great scientist, he was a great humanitarian.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you think about that too. From my recollection, he came from a common, a common background. Wasn't he Slavic, if I remember right? So a very humble background. He was not, you know. Particularly when he came to America he had virtually nothing, you know, and it was really kind of the when you look at his you know steps as he came into America and then the trajectory of his career, he always knew that he had something very special to offer and I think that probably led people to think he's pretty eccentric.
Speaker 2:Who does this guy think he is? Well, in a lot of ways he was kind of a prophet of the modern age. But I think of things like you've talked about the AC. We wouldn't have motors if it wasn't for his ability to design a motor, a three-phase motor that can actually generate the things that we, you know, take for granted today. There would be no you know Tesla car, which you know. Thank you, elon Musk, for at least giving Tesla the credit, for you know the capability you have there. But it's a fascinating thing when you think about here's this man that came from nothing and literally was a prophet in so many ways that we just take it for granted. We don't even understand it? I don't think most of the time no.
Speaker 3:Go ahead. His work, if you will, was so forward-thinking that… His contemporaries could only copy him. Nobody matched him, nobody could come close to his genius. So that's a sign of a true genius he's ahead of the field, he's in a league of his own, and nobody, even to this day, has ever been able to copy his brilliance no one.
Speaker 2:Well, they can't even understand it. I mean, he wasn't one of his last experiments, can't even understand it. I mean, he, one of his, wasn't one of his last experiments. The thing that actually kind of caused his financial ruin was this whole concept of wireless energy transmission. As I remember, there was a quite a large transmitter that he tried to construct in was it New Jersey? And of course, the you know developing utility businesses were not thrilled with that whole concept because there was an infrastructure there that would have been undermined if that had been successful. But that theory, that capacity that he envisioned, people have been trying to show that it actually could work and are indeed showing that it could work, it actually could work and are indeed showing that it could work. And you know, yet it's like no, no, no, no. We have way too much invested in copper mining and the making of wire and the making now of fiber optics. Right, how do you, how do you combat that, Right?
Speaker 3:That was a threat to the military industrial complex a hundred years ago and to this day his research is suppressed. For that reason, You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2:And I hope somehow that perhaps the internet will be a way to get around that, that our ability to be interconnected with one another, that these bits of information. But I remember the same, I think sources you probably looked at of. You know, when Tesla died, immediately there were sort of these mysterious people that appeared, apparently from the government, and just took boxes and boxes and boxes of information from his room that no one's ever seen again. So I would think you know, you would think that someone would recognize that there's a whole lot of money to be made from utilizing that information. But you know, then again I guess they realize that, yeah, but if we will make the initial you know savings on this, but after that, then people won't need us anymore.
Speaker 2:Once they have their thing, it's like well, you know, just make replaceable parts for it, then I don't know, you know there's got to be revenue streams there. I just I don't get it. I don't get why there's this fear of something that has so much potential to change so many lives and solve so many problems and help so many people. It's anti-God, it is totally anti-God.
Speaker 3:And, frankly, it really is spearheaded by the international bankers who want to control the narrative, who want to control not only banking but commerce. So this is Tessa's nemesis. In his day, tessa wanted to give to the world free energy. Well, when it's free it's no longer scarce you reduce the scarcity significantly. And how do you make money? Many times, you make money off of scarcity. That's the economic model that many people are following. So what's the point? Again, my research is to help people. Tesla's a humanitarian. I want to be a humanitarian like Tesla. We have to start solving problems. You said that we have to look for solutions. We're not solving our problems. Year after year goes by, we have the same problem. There's no solution. What do we need? A new technology, we need a new way of doing things. That's what we need.
Speaker 2:I'm a big star. You know just science fiction in general and when you talk about, you know, zero point energy, I think right away of, like Stargate. You know, Stargate, Atlantis, they were all about. You know, the ZPMs that they were trying to find because they were the power source for just about everything and anything. And it was, you know, they were just small devices but they could plug them in and they powered an entire city.
Speaker 2:I thought, boy, you know, I got to believe that if somebody imagined that, that it's possible, you know, because it's just like Star Trek.
Speaker 2:You know, when I grew up in the 60s, Star Trek was, you know, on TV and you know my dad used to say he loved watching Star Trek because it gave him hope that we would get there someday.
Speaker 2:And you know, there's just so little these days that gives people hope. You know we're, you know, fighting against each other, for you know you're Republican, I'm Democrat, I like Biden, you like Trump. I mean, it's just so ridiculous because at the end of the day it's, there is no real force at work here besides the haves and the have-nots, the people that have the information or don't have the information, the people that have health and the ability to be healthy, the people that are kept from things that would keep them healthy, the people that have all kinds of money and the people that do not. So at what point do you think that we as a race or as a culture, as a world, can glab onto? What Tesla was all about, I think, financially, was it's right here, it's right here, up in the sky, it's right there. We just need to figure out how to work with it instead of working against it all the time.
Speaker 3:I say that all the time. The number one problem in this world is we fight. We're always fighting. There's always contention. If we work together, if 8 billion people work together, no fighting harmony it would be paradise on earth. So we've tripped over ourselves, and that includes the scientific community, in which we're fighting at one another. We're not helping one another. It's, if you will, the law of the jungle. If there's an invention that comes out that helps people bring it out to market or at least tell people about it, let there be a free sharing of ideas, of technology. I've tried to share my technology. I've been stifled. I think my discoveries are incredible. Frankly, I think that the lay people, if you will, the grassroots effort, is the key. It's the Internet that's the key to my success, not academia.
Speaker 2:Sure, sure, probably be the key to our survival as a species, up there with ham radio. Ham radio, there's another good source of just, you know, uncensored ability to share knowledge. So you gave me a wonderful list of questions and talking points, but let's talk a little bit about the difference between scalar energy and solar energy and solar energy. Is there a foundational difference there that we need to be aware of or be thinking as?
Speaker 3:we kind of unravel the framework here. If we look at the solar panels on our, that's wonderful, they're taking in solar energy, but it's being converted into DC electricity, if you will, which is an inferior type of energy. What Tessa later in his life was able to do was take that solar energy and absorb it or, if you will, conduct it into one of his towers. And it was still, in its primary form, scalar energy. It had not stepped down to electromagnetic energy. So by tapping into scalar energy he could light up a city. It was so efficient and it was wireless. So here's the key when you're working with scalar energy it's free energy from the stars and the infrastructure is free. It's wireless energy. There are no need for any satellites or cell phone towers or or, if you will, dishes, any type of satellite. Dish why everything is interconnected. It's the ether that connects this energy. So had we listened to tesla, we would have had paradise by now. Everybody would have the means and access to free, clean energy, no carbon footprint.
Speaker 3:I know a lot of people are worried about the environment. All of this energy is non-physical, it cannot harm. It's not a frequency, it's not electromagnetic frequency, it's a different order and there's no biological consequence. I've worked with these instruments behind me for 30 years. I feel better. It's not radiation. Radiation is impossible. There's no chemical, if you will. Decomposition. It's a different order of energy. It's all nonphysical intelligence. Now the point is, had we listened to Tesla and followed his model, the world would be decidedly different today.
Speaker 2:So it sounds. The thing that I have such a hard time getting my head around with Tesla is this concept of. I always think you have to convert scalar into something else in order for it to be useful. You know scalar, you know there's photosynthesis, there's, you know, the ability to, you know, turn solar energy into DC. That somehow we don't have that capacity to take it as it is, use it as it is and function alongside it as it is. And I try to imagine what does a world look like where there's a car fueled on scalar energy or where there is a machine that gathers food out of the harvest things that we need to eat on a grand scale, enough that would feed hundreds and know, hundreds and millions or whatever, of people. It's hard for me to imagine how are we going to figure that out to be able to take that energy that's there and just power things? Are we all Obi-Wan Kenobi and we just, you know, make it move and it moves, is it? Do you think it's? Is that where we're heading?
Speaker 3:That's a good point. We consume so many resources through our typical energy generation and it's dangerous and it pollutes, as opposed to using scalar energy. That's free. You don't consume resources, it's inexpensive. The opposite is from the sun and the stars it's nonphysical, it's intelligent. So there's no chemical, there's no carbon emission. So what's the point? This will solve most of our problems, and I could only say that this has been suppressed and that the powers that be do not want this alternative energy, scatter energy, as opposed to coal and electrical and wind farms, etc. Why? Because this energy is free. You can't make money off of it. There's no scarcity.
Speaker 2:So how does the translation occur? If so, once I'm able to recognize and utilize the scalar energy form or energy source, how does that turn into or does it need to turn into something that takes me down the road at 60 miles an hour?
Speaker 3:Tessa, for instance. Tessa developed a scalar energy car and he demonstrated that car in Buffalo, new York. And, as the report goes, he took the engine out of a car it was a Pierce Arrow and he placed inside of it instead some type of skid energy apparatus in which he could run around town, so to speak, with this wireless car engine. A car engine that did not support itself by combustion. There was no, if you will, gasoline or electrical charge. He simply channeled the energy of the stars into his motor and he was able to. If you will, achieve that kinetic energy through the stars, now imagine that invention in and of itself. You don't need a charging station, you just erect an antenna. The antenna captures the energy of the sun and the stars and you're completely, if you will, unencumbered. Now you do not have to rely upon any energy source fossil fuels, et cetera. It was accomplished. Tesla had such a vehicle. Tesla had such a vehicle. He developed such a vehicle. Have we seen it today? No, it's suppressed.
Speaker 2:So how do we get it back? I mean, I've read of other similar kinds of devices that Tesla was able to envision and construct, even the Tesla coil, which people think it's just for you know, cool science fiction movies. But it actually had a purpose. You know, he was trying to demonstrate how that kind of you know, collected energy could be utilized. We just lost the ability to translate it, I guess, somewhere along the line. How do we get that back?
Speaker 3:I use Tesla coils. These are Tesla coils behind me. How do we get that back? I use Tesla coils. These are Tesla coils behind me. How do we get this technology back? We have to revisit Tesla, sadly. We have to reinvent his work. He accomplished it and essentially we just copy what he's done. In many ways, I've copied him, but you have to be very specific and you cannot when it comes to scalar. You cannot find yourself, if you will, ensconced in electromagnetic theory. Scalar is a different science. It's another branch of physics. You have to think in this other term of non-physical science.
Speaker 2:Scalar science is quite different you know it makes me think of spiritual energy. You know, when you talk about life force, we're talking about the soul, ultimately, right. And even if you accept, you know, talk with people that don't believe in the afterlife and they're like well, do you believe in science? And I say well, yeah, of course. I say well then you must be familiar with Einstein's theory that energy can't be either created or destroyed, so it has to either transform into another form or it has to be. You know, something has to happen. You can't create or destroy it. And they're like oh, okay, I'm like well then that means that the energy of our soul has to somehow persist. It can't be destroyed. So what do you think that looks like? You know, I have no idea Like exactly.
Speaker 3:So idea like, exactly so, but at least you can't say it doesn't exist. So, um, which is this? This is what tessa saw. He saw this conservation of energy. Now I know a lot of people are worried about running out of fossil fuels. That's an argument we can have for years. Let's, let's do away with fossil fuels. Okay, if tessa could illuminate a light bulb that he would hold in his hand, I can illuminate a light bulb now with this instrument. This is what I'm speaking about free energy. Let's get away from oil, from propane, let's get away from nuclear reactors. That is limited. We've limited ourselves, right.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm excited to see the successes we're starting to have with fusion, because fusion is at the core of what our sun does all the time and it's limitless. You know, I sometimes wonder too if that isn't another just you know, we're trying to suppress that and make it as ungodly expensive as able to do it like this, and the sun doesn't appear to be depleting its supply of hydrogen anytime soon. There should be a clue there as to what we should be able to and need to do. But how do you describe its nature? When you think about Skyler and you're trying to get someone that is just thinking in terms of, to me it's almost like thinking two-dimensionally instead of three-dimensionally or maybe four-dimensionally. Is there a simple way to kind of grab a hold of it?
Speaker 3:You know, if you come from a religious background, it's consciousness or it's the intelligence of the universe. If you're a physicist and you use terms such as quantum physics or quantum energy, meaning it's essentially massless, if you will, antimatter or matter-free energy. So what are we getting at? We're getting to the point of intelligence where intelligence will run the universe and it does. What do I mean? Scalar energy is the intelligence of the stars. It's all non-physical. So the highest order is that of intelligence. It's not a chemical reaction, it's not the physical plane.
Speaker 3:Now imagine that the universe operates through intelligence. What is that intelligence? It's scalar energy. So to somebody today, in this modern day age, you might say it's the Holy Spirit or consciousness. Again, if you will, a scientist might call that quantum mechanics or quantum physics. Others might say that that is, if you will, chi or prana. There are different expressions, but society, cultures throughout millennia have realized that there's something out there, this life force, energy that gives expression to everything. They were right. God bless them. It's true, it's accurate. There is a universal intelligence, a universal logos. That's the key people. We're at the top. We control nature with intelligence.
Speaker 2:Boy. That would be a nice thing if our country could figure that out right now, because there is a, it seems to me, extremely conservative effort to keep people from thinking, to keep people from being intelligent, to try to suppress intelligence in every way, shape or form, especially when it differs from what I think. Right, because that's kind of the be-all, end-all argument of well, you know, it's the story of Lucifer, right, I want to have what that God guy has. I think I should have that. Well, therein goes the fall, instead of just accepting God as God and enjoying God and saying, god, boy, you sure have got it together, god. So you know why? Mess up a good thing, we've been doing that forever.
Speaker 3:How does oh sorry go ahead? And I say to myself the greatest example of intelligent design is nature that perpetuates itself. How is it that the sea is constantly churning? Why do we have tides? What gives us the four seasons? What is this mechanism? What is this intelligence that gives us life? Why do we have the species that can sustain themselves? What are the mechanisms in place that allow the galaxies to persist millennia on millennia? There has to be some grand design, some incredible, infinite intelligence that guides the universe from the smallest creature to the largest galaxy. That is scalar energy. It dictates everything. Nothing misses its mark. Scalar energy dictates everything. Now, if my theory is correct and we can control scalar energy, then we have, if you will, a vantage point for everything in nature, whether it's the smallest creature or the galaxies. We now have, if you will, that our periscope has now finally been able to find the tool, the mechanism of the universe. It's scalar energy. It's the intelligence for everything.
Speaker 2:It makes me think of a movie that I just watched, not too long ago. I don't know if you remember several years ago, maybe the late 90s Contact with Jodie Foster and Matthew McConaughey. So, and you know, I thought at first, ah, it's kind of silly, blah, blah, blah. But I watched it and that movie is all about the very end, you know, it's all about the final journey that she's able to take through this machine that's been transmitted to them from. You know, vega, I think, is the star system it comes from, and I thought, you know she, finally, this scientist, who has never been able to admit that there might be a God, you know, is put through this divine experience, you know, only to find out that you know what is it.
Speaker 2:Matthew McConaughey challenges her at one time. She says prove that there's a God. And he said well, let me ask you this Did you love your father? She said prove that there's a God. And he said well, let me ask you this Did you love your father? She said yeah. He said did he love you? Yeah, well, prove it so. And she just kind of well, you know he loved you though. Right, well, yeah, well, prove it so. And I just I struggle with the idea that why do we in our brains have to make this so much more difficult than it is? Which is it's not like? God and science are two different things. They're the same thing looking at it from different directions, and we keep putting them. We keep making a war between two things that are not at war, and I don't get it.
Speaker 3:I just don't get it. There are equivalents. Science and religion are an equivalence. What one perspective is through a scientific inquiry, another perspective is through faith, but you can arrive at the truth from both. So really there are an equivalence. It's just your interpretation of the truth. Whether it's from scientific inquiry or from faith, it doesn't matter, it's still the truth.
Speaker 3:Truth is reality, reality is truth, and I think this is what we've seen in the past century and I fault in many ways the communists for this to dumb down society and to say, unless you can prove it in a laboratory, then it's not valid. Well, there's a lot of things we can't prove, sort of like, as you were saying, love, can you prove love? No, nobody, I can't measure love, but you know it's real, you know it's valid. Measure love, but you know it's real. You, you know it's valid, right. Maybe you can't prove it through empirical analysis, but nonetheless it's. It's an abstract but it is real right. Where I think this generation is much smarter than me, than the previous generations, I think we're starting to realize that love consciousness is necessary. You have to have some type of intelligence, logos, yeah, some plasma out there that contributes to all of this activity yeah yeah, there's very much of a.
Speaker 2:I think where it breaks down for me is in that reductionist idea that we, you know, we, we keep reducing things to. You know. Well, love is just, is just a series of electrochemical things happening in the brain. It's an association of things that we're comfortable with, that make us feel safe. It's like no love is more than that. Love is something that unifies. Love is something I can't put my finger on. I can't define it exactly, but I know when it's there and I know when it's not. We have that sensitivity. It's just like. The one that boggles my mind is when people say evolutionists, which I have no doubt. I look around and see things evolving around me all the time, but to think that it just all happened without an intelligent design to it, that just makes me go. Are you even intelligent? Because I'm not really sure how you can come to that supposition that it just all happened. You know, it's just sort of a random pool of chemicals that you know right Forces got involved and boom, there was life.
Speaker 3:So you have to look at history and many times it's been written by the winners. You and I know that. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So is there? How does there's a question here? How does scalar energy allow Tom Palladino to enhance an energetic state by being, by way of their photograph, which I'm not even sure? I understand that question. So I looked at it and thought well, I want to know the answer to that question, because I don't even understand what it's asking.
Speaker 3:So don't think in electromagnetic terms, think in quantum, which is all intelligence. Now I'm going to hold up my photograph. There's an intelligence on my photograph. This printed piece of paper nonetheless has my energy field, my signatures on that photograph. This instrument will find that signature and will send information into that force field, into that photographic force field to improve my health, my quantum health. So what am I getting at?
Speaker 3:My photograph is placed inside this instrument. In so doing, I teleport to this instrument. I mean that that's right. I bilocate or I teleport. They've done that in Star Trek. You can be in two places at once. Is it possible? Yes, even though this is my physical body, this is my non-physical signature, and there's two Toms now the flesh, me and my photograph, which is my energy copy, my quantum copy. That's right. I bi-locate or I teleport by way of my photograph. Or people send me their photograph and they teleport to me. Yes, and we work with their energy field and this instrument can do anything from balance chakras to administer nutrients. I have a method in which I can take a photograph of a vitamin and place it next to the photograph of the people and the energy of riboflavin is downloaded or imparted into their force field. It's a new way of looking at reality. It's the non-physical side, it's the quantum side, in which we don't work with people. We work with force fields of people.
Speaker 2:What did Einstein call it Spooky energy at a distance? Am I remembering that right? Spooky energy at a distance?
Speaker 3:Am I remembering that right Spooky action at a distance. See, einstein wasn't the thinker that Tesla was. Tesla realized that there's two energies. Einstein could never get his head around the fact that there's two energies. He was stuck on electromagnetic energy, which is fine, but there's two energies. You can't explain the universe just by one energy. And again, tesla began with electromagnetic energy, ac electricity and later in his life he graduated to scalar energy. So this and, if I may and I'm not throwing rocks at anybody this is the stumbling block today in academia. There's two energies. You have to accept both.
Speaker 2:You only can explain the universe by try to prove intelligent life by virtue of. Are they responding to our radio, our electromagnetic frequencies? Are we able to see signs of intelligent life? And I think you know, guys, what if we're not even on the same wavelength? We're sending out radio waves and expecting them to respond to us. What if? What if that's like you know me trying to communicate to you with bumblebee, you know, by just, and it may in fact be totally legitimate form of communication, but you don't understand bumblebee, you don't use bumblebee anymore. So how are you going to communicate me? That has nothing to do with whether or not you're intelligent, it just has to do with you don't speak bumblebee. So it strikes me that scalar is kind of the same thing in a way, if my crude analogy that how can we even talk about something or expect to utilize something that we can't even begin to have a conversation about without somebody going? That's Lululand folks, because it sounds crazy, right, in a contemporary framework it sounds crazy. How do you get past that?
Speaker 3:That's an emotional roadblock and unless you can think through this, you'll always have that emotional roadblock roadblock and unless you can think through this, you'll always have that emotional roadblock. I guess I could encourage people to read Tesla and look at his work in Colorado Springs and Long Island, in which he had free energy towers and he was able to harness the energy of the stars through these towers. So it's valid. These are scientific instruments that can control this energy. If it's an instrument, then you're working through at an elementary level to learn this new science. This is a new science.
Speaker 3:Tessa had to start and he had to. If you will, learn radiant energy. He made his mistakes. We all make our mistakes, but you have to be humble and say I'm going to start. This is a new branch of physics and I realize it's different than that of electricity and I'm willing to be humble and I'm willing to start. This is a new branch of physics and I realize it's different than that of electricity and I'm willing to be humble and I'm willing to learn. If you can do that, you'll be a great scientist.
Speaker 2:Well, it strikes me that anyone that is a person of faith ought to be able to do that. You know, I mean, I like to think of myself as being someone that realizes I don't have it all figured out, and it sure would be nice to start understanding it a little more, I guess. Ultimately, so is there. Does scalar energy turn on the ability to form our own nutrients? Even I see that as one of your questions as well.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes Again, if I refer to this, by the way, I only use photographs. When I use this instrument, I never use a chemical. This is non-physical. What do I mean If I use this photograph of riboflavin? It has me, it's an energy field, it's intelligence. So the intelligence of riboflavin goes into me and I receive my nutrition through instructions intelligence, not chemicals. There's two ways to receive nutrients Biochemically, or through food or protein shake, or through energy, through scalar energy. This is how I receive my nutrients energetically. By the way, this process is served to suppress my appetite.
Speaker 2:Interesting. So there's actually a diet photograph. Essentially is what it comes down to.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, many people on my program say that they no longer have these hunger pains because throughout the day, 24 hours a day, they're receiving nutrients. And when you receive nutrients, your body has that set point or has that trigger and it says, well, I received all the nutrients I need energetically and we're not hungry, so people can miss a meal.
Speaker 2:Tom, there's so much more we have to talk about. I hope we can get together again and talk more, because I am a believer that I do not know very much at all in this world and I would like to know more. And you are on to something. Obviously you do not come across as a crackpot at all. You actually do come across to me, at least as a prophet of someone that is just trying to figure out something that it's difficult to figure out. Yes, because it forces us to think differently. But as someone that comes from the theater, I know what it's all about learning to think differently. But as someone that comes from the theater, I know what it's all about learning to think differently, because every play is different and every day is different. And people that tell me I don't like surprises, I always look at it and think what is wrong with you that you don't like surprises. So, but thank you so much for your time, Tom.
Speaker 2:My guest today has been Tom Palladino. He's a scalar energy researcher based in Florida, and the scalar energy is the fundamental life force found everywhere in the world. You can think of it as chi, as prana, mana, life force, pyramid, energy, the force. You can think of it any way you want to, but it is all around us, and if you want to deny its existence after talking with Tom, I have to tell you you are denying coffee. So wake up and smell the coffee, because it is everywhere. Right, Tom, Agree with that, Is that okay?
Speaker 3:Yeah, please. Thank you, well spoken.
Speaker 2:You've been listening to and watching, hopefully, Frame of Reference Profiles in Leadership and, Tom, it's been my pleasure. Truly. Thank you so much for your time. And, Tom, it's been my pleasure. Truly Thank you so much for your time, and I want to learn more about all those devices behind you Because I did see is there a website or whatnot, Tom, that we can point people to? They want to know more.
Speaker 3:Scalarlitecom S-C-A-L-L-I-E-R. Scalarlitecom.
Speaker 2:Okay, and these are. It's at least sort of a primer right of how you can at least start the journey to understanding what this is and how it works.
Speaker 3:By the way, I offer anybody in the world 15 days of free sessions. So if you take me up on it, you're going to email us your photograph. Okay, I'll talk with you for 15 days, okay.
Speaker 2:Scalarlitecom. Excellent, thank you, tom. I appreciate it. We'll look forward to talking to you again. We'll figure something out, if that's okay with you, please. Thank you.
Speaker 3:Okay, let's do it again, okay.
