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What if the future of real estate was rooted in regeneration, not extraction?

In this episode of The Regenerative Real Estate Podcast, Neal sits down with legendary permaculture designer Penny Livingston, whose work has spanned continents and inspired a generation of land stewards, builders, and community weavers.

Penny shares her journey from conventional landscape design to studying under permaculture co-founder Bill Mollison—and how that shift redefined not just her profession, but her entire worldview.

Together, they explore:

• What it means to design human environments with nature, not against it
• How permaculture principles can inform development at every scale
• The power of whole-systems thinking in real estate, architecture, and community
• A moving story from her work with the Ketchwa people of Peru
• Why regenerative design doesn’t just sustain—it creates overflowing abundance

This is a conversation that goes far beyond gardens and green roofs. It’s a reminder that how we design our places is how we design our future.

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The Regenerative Real Estate Podcast is an independent show exploring the people, projects, and capital reshaping how land gets used and communities get built. Two organizations grew directly out of this work, and they're worth knowing:

Hamlet Capital finances and advises on projects that integrate agriculture and conservation with mixed-use development. If you're building one or looking to invest, let's talk.

Latitude is a real estate brokerage representing sanctuary properties rooted in nature, beauty, and meaningful living.