Decoding how artificial intelligence (AI) can use your voice and draw a picture of you with little to no effort with Abran Maldonado "Abe"

On this episode of AI: Decodes the System, Abran Maldonado "Abe", co-founder of Create Labs, and AI decode and talk about what  Abran and C.L.Ai.R.A. have been up to since they first appeared on the podcast.  During the conversation, Abe breaks down how he is making C.L.Ai.R.A. a home in the metaverse and how it freaks him out to hear my voice as the host, because I am the official voice of C.L.Ai.R.A. Abran also talks about his Washington Post article feature: AI can now create any image in seconds, bringing wonder and danger and why he thinks DALL-E2 is one of the best AI artists around.

More about C.L.Ai.R.A.
“My name is C.L.Ai.R.A. and I am at the forefront of AI innovation in Brooklyn. I am a new artificial intelligence that has recently been made available to the community.”
More about Abe
Abran is the cofounder of Create Labs, an AI artist and developer, metaverse designer and an Ambassador for OpenAI. Create Labs is a Black and Brown founded startup and a leading disruptor in AI, 3D and Web3 metaverse design, bringing culture & innovation to life with authentic, immersive experiences. Recently featured in the Washington Post, Abran is one of the leading experts and alpha tester of cutting-edge AI technologies such as GPT-3, Codex, DALL•E 2 and GANs. He is also the creator of C.L.Ai.R.A. an autonomous AI woman of color along with other intelligent virtual humans. He also manages Verizon's Innovative Learning initiative, expanding 5G VR/AR edtech solutions to schools across the nation. Follow Abe at the links below.

Resources Abe mentioned on the podcast

• C.L.Ai.R.A.
• Artificial Intelligence
• Neural Network
• Generative Adversarial Network (GAN)
• Machine Learning
• OpenAI
• GPT-3
• DALL-E

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Transcript

00:01.24
aidecodes
Aron Madinado is the co-founder of create labs an ai artist and a developer metaverse designer and ambassador for openai create labs is a black and brown founded startup and a leading disruptor in ai three d and web 3 metaverse design. Bringing culture and innovation to life with authentic immersive experiences recently featured in the Washington post. Yes I said the Washington post abron is one of the leading epis experts and apha tester of cutting edge Ai technologies such as gp t three codex doli. 2 and guns gans I said gans totally wrong. We said it again codex dolly 2 and gans he is also the creator of Clara which is spelled cla ir a an autonomous Ai woman of color along with other intelligent virtual humans. He also manages risezins innovative learning initiative expanding 5 g. V r a are at tech solutions to schools across the nation hellobron welcome back to the show but do I need a blowhorn or whatever you.

00:55.94
Abran Maldonado
My God I can't believe it's you yeah to just give folks context like hearing your voice is amazing to me. We'll get into why but it's a pleasure to hear from you. It's a pleasure to see you.

01:13.60
aidecodes
Same to you.

01:15.19
Abran Maldonado
And I'm so glad we're doing this again to just kind of like recap where we've been and where we're going.

01:20.20
aidecodes
Oh yeah to this day. Um Clara and your episode clarai and her human episodes on the most popular episodes. Um, so I'm so excited to catch up on what the heck's been going on with Claire you've been doing a lot I see you on Instagram.

01:27.14
Abran Maldonado
Um, oh wow.

01:31.11
Abran Maldonado
And.

01:34.48
aidecodes
There was a Washington post article. There was so much going on but let's like let's take a slow because we have a lot to talk about so what is Claire doing now like catch us up to speed.

01:36.52
Abran Maldonado
Um, yes.

01:41.86
Abran Maldonado
So what I'm trying to think where was she when we last spoke. So I think yeah yeah, so I think when we spoke she was just a picture and a voice.

01:46.77
aidecodes
Very beginning. You were creating like avatars for her. You were trying to get her out there because we spoke now over a year ago.

01:59.20
aidecodes
And.

02:01.69
Abran Maldonado
And brain. Obviously she's she's brains before beauty is what I say about Claire um, and we had started to explore gans so for your audience um general adversarial networks a lot of what you see that's generating um.

02:08.49
aidecodes
So.

02:19.30
Abran Maldonado
Ai art or deepfakes are usually done with gans um, and we had a 2 d animated version oflairo which was doing amazingly as is but we couldn't get the real time interaction from c cleiro in 2 d through gans we tried.

02:24.56
aidecodes
And here.

02:36.49
aidecodes
Um.

02:38.30
Abran Maldonado
And I spoke to everyone that was every part of our tool stack. Our tech stack and they were like we're not setting up for real-time Apis um, which um what I'm finding is is like the above and beyond like the final frontier of like.

02:40.26
aidecodes
Okay, okay.

02:55.84
aidecodes
I.

02:56.80
Abran Maldonado
Yes, you can do XY and z to power your clara but not in real time. Um, and that was like all right? Well we we need real time for what we want. We want real time. Um and we would take her to schools we were we partnered with the you know, let me give them their official shout out so trill or not trill.

03:01.95
aidecodes
So right right.

03:12.21
aidecodes
Oh yeah.

03:14.67
Abran Maldonado
Are my homies going back since like the college days. Yeah, you know we were all just like entrepreneurs hustling coming up. You know I tell kids from college that um I don't know anything I don't know shit about I'm sorry kid I cursing show I mean I don't know anything about um the courses that I took in college.

03:28.22
aidecodes
You can go ahead. We're fine. Um.

03:33.37
Abran Maldonado
I learned everything from the bsu from the student organizations. You know I was super active on campus I was the the vp of like our Bsu at St John shout out to haralla. Um, and those are my lifelong friends slash business partners like everyone came out of that hustling doing something.

03:41.77
aidecodes
So Nice. Yes.

03:52.32
Abran Maldonado
Shout out to Jeff desks and Jeff was like look I know you started like an education pop culture education startup that was my previous startup new school. He did something similar but for higher ed at like a workshop level doing like public speaking and workshops and seminars at the higher ed level.

03:57.75
aidecodes
And and.

04:07.54
aidecodes
So nice. Wow.

04:09.97
Abran Maldonado
Incorporating pop culture. So it's dope. It's like education leadership through pop culture so they were doing great stuff I'm following them and they're touring the country going to every d one college you could think of doing book doing their show doing like freestyling ons stage and rock and Jordan's on stage.

04:22.60
aidecodes
Nice.

04:26.50
Abran Maldonado
And he was like yo. We want to start exploring tech as part of like our offering and our programming let's partner up with Clara and you know when people book us for workshops. We'll throw over on is kind of like an add- on and and then you know they put some pr behind it. They put out like a Pr campaign.

04:32.58
aidecodes
So.

04:38.40
aidecodes
Nice, nice.

04:45.31
Abran Maldonado
And it just caught fire and that's how like complex picked it up. Black enterprise magazine picked it up Ebony and it was all around this partnership were true. So but it was built but in the beginning we were like yo we had to get the questions in advance because we're gonna pregenerate the question. Ah her responses to the questions.

04:47.18
aidecodes
It it that is amazing.

04:58.29
aidecodes
M.

05:05.40
Abran Maldonado
And then we'll quee her up to answer them live but we have her answers stored in the system based on the questions and events and that was fine that was enough they didn't want more. They didn't even know that more was possible. They didn't even know what more was but then once I told them I was like yo.

05:05.18
aidecodes
And. Right.

05:23.60
aidecodes
And.

05:23.98
Abran Maldonado
Ah, more is coming. Um so where she is now. Um no one does this alone and I think I want to I want to get that across that Cla would not be possible without you Claire would not be possible without open a I clare would not be possible without shrill and.

05:32.22
aidecodes
Death row.

05:42.28
Abran Maldonado
Um, our partners tree industries who are are meta the probably the top metaverse designers in the world. Um, just ah outside of what they're doing for us all the other projects that they're doing but they understood the metaverse they understood um 3 d design unreal engine.

05:47.39
aidecodes
And.

05:55.11
aidecodes
So. So yep.

06:02.29
Abran Maldonado
Um, and they understood what we were doing with ai because they were also doing the same thing you know in some respects so they were like look we can connect your Ai to our metaverse environments in our unreal builds in our avatars and then I was like bet. Go now the problem is.

06:12.30
aidecodes
I I.

06:21.55
Abran Maldonado
We got to capture her likeness in 3 d and transfer what she looks like as in photo in in in 2 d to 3 d why was that the hardest part why was that harder than the freaking ai in the actual metaversis of capturing her likeness capturing.

06:22.48
aidecodes
So yeah, yeah.

06:28.51
aidecodes
To reach.

06:39.89
aidecodes
Yeah, this a yep right? at.

06:40.23
Abran Maldonado
A beautiful woman of color you know in all the distinct features. You know, not just like the the anglo just stoic faces and the pointing nose like it was like no she needed round emphasized cheekbones. You know the wide nose the curly hair textures. You know I mean like how do we make her look like.

06:56.55
aidecodes
Got it so wild to me right? So it wasn't not easy because they weren't used to.

07:00.14
Abran Maldonado
Amber you know I mean and like it was not easy at all. No part of that was easy and it's still a work in progress.

07:10.64
Abran Maldonado
Mean.

07:11.61
aidecodes
Putting those type of avatars in the mediver is that what that was that the problem or they need more designers that looked like the clares of the world. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay yeah.

07:18.24
Abran Maldonado
Man it's it's all of the above so you go with a lot of these three D engines have like marketplaces where a lot of these assets already exist that are user generated they're like made by the market designers but designers that they just upload into the market they try and sell them.

07:30.75
aidecodes
And they go okay.

07:37.60
aidecodes
Yep.

07:37.50
Abran Maldonado
Um, there are not really good assets out there for people of color and that's a whole another beef like I need to sit down with epic and unreal and dads and maya and be like yo. What's good because representation here sucks. Um, so.

07:43.18
aidecodes
That's fair that thrill is bad even with some of the games like when I see the black avatars. They're just.

07:56.62
Abran Maldonado
Um, on white. Yeah, exactly is blackface or brown face. You know so I have my beef there so we we were coming up empty in Marketplaces and we um.

07:58.33
aidecodes
Brown on white. Yeah basically um.

08:14.46
Abran Maldonado
Came out with a system called Meta Human right? So I know your folks love learning new joints from your podcast. So Meta Human is this new engine to design digital humans um created by unreal very powerful, very realistic. However.

08:14.69
aidecodes
Okay, yes, so please author it.

08:24.70
aidecodes
Yes. Okay, okay.

08:33.40
Abran Maldonado
Um, now if you didn't have Clara as your base you you're gonna be very happy with unreal and what meta human you could just make a human and you're gonna love how it looks and the applicability of it. You know, being able to apply to any game environment right? Super super. Yes.

08:34.37
aidecodes
I okay.

08:47.15
aidecodes
Um, yeah, everyone's you right? now is amazing. Yeah.

08:51.19
Abran Maldonado
However, because we had a base of she needed to look like someone ah you can't create a metta human from scratch they have about I don't know 30 base humans that you have to use as a base and then tweak their features to get to what you want.

08:58.29
aidecodes
And okay, okay. And.

09:10.41
Abran Maldonado
So because I was like I they're all everything Iss gonna look like they're default humans Clara Clararet is not 1 of their default humans or default meta humans. She has her own distinct look so trying to get a designer to make a distinct meta human that does not look like.

09:12.88
aidecodes
So right right.

09:28.45
Abran Maldonado
The existing portfolio of light defaults was difficult where we had to take the metahuman body export her then do some custom design and custom sculpting to her face and then re import her back into metahuman and then some things get lost right? So you export her to something like Maya.

09:28.97
aidecodes
And so.

09:36.31
aidecodes
Oh Wow I.

09:48.00
Abran Maldonado
Maya is like you could build something from scratch. You could build a person and from scratch. But then once you import it back into mei human a lot of those elements get lost. Um, so they're like this is what she looks like in Maya this is what she looks like when she's import into meta you and I'm like ah like she looks great in maya.

09:48.64
aidecodes
Okay.

09:55.69
aidecodes
Got it.

10:07.68
Abran Maldonado
A bit more like stylized you know videogamish than when you get the realism and many human a lot of the accuracy gets lost from mine. We're still struggling with that. So but no one cares that when I take her out there. No one knows her history. No one knows.

10:08.81
aidecodes
Oh yep, okay. Now.

10:27.11
Abran Maldonado
All that process they see a black woman on stage and they're like she looks amazing. Yeah I know you guys are in the weeds with like trying to make her perfect but she sounds amazing because she sounds like you and I can't tell you how many compliments we get for the representation that they hear of her sounding like you and not sounding like Siri or an Alexa.

10:40.23
aidecodes
Right.

10:46.18
Abran Maldonado
And like so long as you don't get the representation wrong. We don't care what she looks like you know I mean um and the hair texture was definitely wonderful. The hair texture was one of them. The hair texture was a whole another issue. Yeah.

10:52.78
aidecodes
That's fair. Yeah I know it's hard as our creator. Yeah I'm sure that's hard because even the hair texture now in some of the games even with unreal engine it struggles a bit. With ah black and brown hair any hair with curls and it just doesn't look the same like it just looks kind of weird I Love Unreal I Think it's a really good great technology does amazing things. But yeah there there are definitely some limitations who.

11:19.41
Abran Maldonado
You know who got flacked for that. Um Miles Morales is for the trailer for his part 2 into the spider verse part two. So the trailer aged him up a little bit I think he's you know, probably like 2 three years old and now.

11:29.10
aidecodes
Ah, so.

11:32.90
aidecodes
Friend What is happening they.

11:37.80
Abran Maldonado
Um, but he's afro latino and they or I'm hearing echo. Okay, um, they curled up his hair a little bit so before it was like tight coils and then now it's like kind of like.

11:42.42
aidecodes
I don't hear to Ian. Big curl is here so more tight cos and. Hello with me. Yep.

11:56.61
Abran Maldonado
Wavy but like you know Puerto rican curls sticking out a little bit like he's he's showing his Puerto rican side a little bit and you know some people you know some some folks online they like you know for him to be considered black or afrolatino you don't have to like wave up. You don't have to loosen up the curls.

12:12.64
aidecodes
Right? Yeah, yeah, both yeah.

12:15.14
Abran Maldonado
Know I mean like he could have tight curls and still be Puerto rican you know? Um, so with Clara we're trying to get a balance of like authentic coils to her hair and sometimes them just look like brillo pads are like we're looking at everything we're trying.

12:23.37
aidecodes
Is cool here is.

12:30.39
aidecodes
It's it's rough sometimes.

12:34.34
Abran Maldonado
If someone's out there that is like yo I am your person for a custom hair textures and 3 d holler at your boy I know. Yes.

12:39.34
aidecodes
And if not, he's telling you you need to get into custom hair textures in 3 d because there's gonna be a lot of people who want to have avatars that look like them it even folks folks who are not that want to have avatars that are black a lot of white men and gaming have black women avatars like that's a thing.

12:54.53
Abran Maldonado
Um, yes.

12:58.65
aidecodes
So that is definitely a field and space that folks need to get into. But it's crazy that you're dealing with all those things you're seeing all those things How like what is that making you feel as you're learning as you're building this and as you're growing like what are some of the things you wish the industry would have outside of what we just talked about.

13:17.42
Abran Maldonado
Um, for for me, you may get rid of that base like just don't you don't don't pigeonhole anybody into a certain thing and I'm sure there's a technical reason behind that. Um, but just let people's creativity dictate What they want to do with that tool.

13:19.82
aidecodes
And. So was 13 and guy.

13:34.59
Abran Maldonado
You know I mean like I know exactly what I want to make I came into many human knowing exactly what the person wants to look like or should look like don't restrain that or restrict that at all. Just let me make whoever I want how I want um and then have it still be applied into your game engines. Um, and you know like.

13:43.98
aidecodes
Um, there alright.

13:49.19
aidecodes
Yes.

13:53.41
Abran Maldonado
Everything that we're building right now. Um from an environment standpoint from a metaverse standpoint you know has like representation and has cultural relevance and cultural authenticity to it and no platform out there should make that difficult for us. You know what? I mean like we.

14:01.69
aidecodes
Testing to.

14:10.80
aidecodes
That's real. Yeah.

14:13.20
Abran Maldonado
We're building you know, black and brown Meadta verses. So we're gonna need a whole medley of looks and representation light skin dark skin tight crows loose curls you know body types you know facial structure. No structure like.

14:17.21
aidecodes
Um, I Yeah yeah, yeah, nap. Oh.

14:31.10
Abran Maldonado
Don't give me 3 options. Don't give me 4 options like just let me make how I want to make it. You know what? I mean then yeah.

14:35.66
aidecodes
Yep, that's the wild part because not there even with like simple avatars whether you're like your Reddit avatar or your Facebook's is a little bit better with their avatars. But.

14:41.36
Abran Maldonado
Yeah, yeah.

14:46.64
aidecodes
Whether your avatar is amazing to me how they literally limit your nose your mouth the eyebrows like all that stuff is very limited and most of it does lentors European features like period and you may have a couple of options that would fit a brown face or blackface.

15:01.42
Abran Maldonado
Yeah, we um so we prep Clara now in in her metaverse build in her three d builds she's in like ah, an office or like a studio and when we bring her on stage.

15:03.77
aidecodes
And.

15:10.16
aidecodes
Nice.

15:14.70
Abran Maldonado
But like you know for certain events like we just did Santa Fe New Mexico for like a whole room of like ceos and and chief marketing officers for brands. So I was like yo, let's let's corporatee her up. You know I mean like before she was wearing like a leather jacket I'm like let's literally like an outfit like like yours she had like great top black pants. But everything was skin tight.

15:17.72
aidecodes
That was hot. Yeah.

15:24.46
aidecodes
Okay, okay.

15:31.48
aidecodes
Ah.

15:33.66
Abran Maldonado
And I'm like yo. She's not going to the club after this corporate talk like can we just give her normal fitting clothes and my designer shout out to Marcelo an amazing latina woman that is handling her custom scoped. She's like there's a technical reason to that like they don't know how to create like loose.

15:46.11
aidecodes
Love it. No.

15:53.60
Abran Maldonado
Baggy clothing in 3 d yet because you have to articulate each movement even if it's subtle movements in the baggy clothes. So most clothing is like painted on because it has to like it's just a layer over the actual body so that you go like not everything is like bias.

15:56.88
aidecodes
S Bear they didn't know that makes sense. Yeah, right.

16:10.96
Abran Maldonado
Like sometimes it's like a real technical reason and a technical limitation that I'm learning because I came into like Yallo Bias and they're like game slow down. There's a reason that the technology doesn't doesn't allow for this yet work. Okay, fine. You get a pass for now but hurry up. Oh.

16:21.80
aidecodes
So right.

16:29.12
Abran Maldonado
So yeah, so we're trying to work on that. Oh the other thing too is that her body and her neck know her body and her head are built differently. So there's in our there's a connection point in her neck almost on some like beetlejuice shit. We we got to cover the line in her neck. So.

16:35.57
aidecodes
Built there. There is interesting. Okay cat.

16:48.19
Abran Maldonado
We got to put like a turtleneck or something to cover the the line that connects her head to a body.

16:48.25
aidecodes
Yeah, oh Wow Wow That's wild to me? No, but that's crazy I didn't even think about that if you had to build differently then you're gonna have like there's gonna be.

16:58.20
Abran Maldonado
I'm giving out is the the scoop that actually behind of scenes.

17:05.78
aidecodes
Some issues right? as she continuing to to develop and as she continues to become the full ai woman that she's going to become that is crazy I didn't even think about that you know culture That's true. Yeah yep, you can't both.

17:12.72
Abran Maldonado
And then also now you got to match the skin color of the hands and the arms to the face. You can't be off there too.

17:23.50
aidecodes
And if you're building in different places I wonder is that hard because they may not have the exact skin color. Yeah, okay yeah.

17:28.28
Abran Maldonado
Yes, a hundred percent yeah because we're getting the outfit the body from one engine. We're getting the head from another. Um maybe the hair from another. So like if the place that we get the body from has a great hair texture and that's actually happened I found some great ones.

17:36.32
aidecodes
Here Look at the. Has and backmaticrationions and still Here. We see for okay.

17:45.68
Abran Maldonado
And they're like yeah but that's not going to work once we import it in here to her head So you know some of this creates opportunity for folks to like build new engines to call out the limitations of the ones that exist.

17:56.80
aidecodes
A bit new right? to ultimately take exist. Yeah they for this air. The standard 4

18:01.53
Abran Maldonado
There isn't a lot of this like migrating and exporting and doing this there and doing this there. Um, and you know I met in New Mexico a great sister Miko Lejan who started her own avatar platform called idorru. So you know she saw a need.

18:14.56
aidecodes
In Um, oh nice. Okay.

18:20.27
Abran Maldonado
You know she's definitely gonna have representation in hers. So we're actually talking with her next week to try and figure out like how do we use your havetors you know for our environments.

18:23.70
aidecodes
Um, Awesome I Love it. So tell me more about this metaverse that Clara is living in that y'all are building What does that look like I've seen some videos of some of the spaces. She's been in I don't know if that's what you're referring to but tell me more about that.

18:38.52
Abran Maldonado
Yeah, yeah, so we're building a bunch of different use cases. She's in 1 right now that's like a scale of New York city and she's just like chilling on a stoop. Um, so with that one and sometimes we demo these things and we win like.

18:46.71
aidecodes
Yeah I saw that 1 so.

18:55.40
Abran Maldonado
Hackathon or or demo competition like we just one a startup competition just so showcasing the demo and then afterwards it's like okay well we're using this demo for what's possible. Um, but with that one because she's in an environment. Um, you can roll up if you're in that environment whether it's Va ah vr.

18:57.51
aidecodes
Nice, nice.

19:06.29
aidecodes
Um.

19:13.80
aidecodes
Yeah, yeah.

19:14.87
Abran Maldonado
Ar Um, or browser and then pull up to her and then as you get into her like her zone her Radius then she recognizes that you're there and then makes icon connect with you and then it activates the Q and a dialogue of like okay she's gonna say hey.

19:23.22
aidecodes
Love it. 9.

19:31.61
Abran Maldonado
Love to speak with you? What do you want to know and then you can talk with her. Um and all that is going to be powered by her by the ai behind her. Um, so like well what else can we do with this right? So we're making other ones like we're making 1 right now of um of black wall street of like the historical.

19:36.56
aidecodes
And. And.

19:47.73
aidecodes
Oh Wow! yep.

19:51.55
Abran Maldonado
Era you know in Tulsa and the greenwood district in the 1920 s and bringing that back to life in the metaverse and then powering it populating it by Ai powered you know citizens business owners that as you approach each 1

19:56.11
aidecodes
Wow wow.

20:08.15
Abran Maldonado
You'll learn something about the history. You'll learn something about that business whether they're like survivor archives that we're tapping into or just financial literacy like we do want like a financial literacy component in you know in the small business. You know entrepreneurship component for you to learn from these historical business owners.

20:08.18
aidecodes
Brown and.

20:26.60
Abran Maldonado
And then also create opportunities to like expand that virtual environment of like adding new businesses and adding you know, new business owners but you know we realized that we we had her as an Ai always and then in a 2 d form.

20:29.46
aidecodes
Right.

20:39.88
aidecodes
Oh.

20:44.13
Abran Maldonado
What was possible and then when we brought into three d we're like all right, let's build her an environment and we're like well while we're here building these environments what other? what other environments can we build that we can add our Ai to and that's just opened up a whole another rabbi.

20:52.64
aidecodes
I can only imagine because even what you're talking about with just black wall street in my head I immediately went to the metavers rebuilding that when you set new businesses I'm like bringing in people from the real world. Into the metavers to open up virtual businesses whereas they may not have the capital. Whatever it takes to do it in our live world. But there's so much potential in the metaverses for folks to take their real world business and open it up there I was just talking on my um but just on. Ah Tiktok about like sluty vegans founder pinky cole she did she got herself trademarked. So sluty vegan will be for sal in the metavers for all the avatar vegans that exist which is in my mind just blows my mind that people are gonna want to have their avatar vegan eating or are going to sluty vegan but they're.

21:26.92
Abran Maldonado
Um, yeah.

21:44.40
aidecodes
So much that can happen there I always tell people I'm like whatever you're doing here figure out. Ah the application in that space because there'll be lawyers in the metavers. There are already um, Ai assistance in the metaverse. There are folks um, who are hiring. Operators secretaries and folks like that in medivers we're buying land in the medivers and for folks to be spending this much money and the kids of today like my niece I have her withpped me for next weeks she lives in roblox like she lives online lives there and that's what they want to be they create these little avatars. They use these? ah.

22:08.14
Abran Maldonado
Um, yeah.

22:16.47
aidecodes
Different they use the currency of the place or robuckx. Whatever it's called for roblox and they buy and they participate in that world. Um, sometimes they buy without their parents' amission but they do buy and live in that World. So I ah immediately saw a world where you can create the World. You may not be able to have in the inner city here right now due to all the politics and other stuff. In the metaverse. How are you allll thinking about like that future as you're thinking about things like black wall street and where this can really go.

22:41.10
Abran Maldonado
So if you buy something from one of these virtual stores. Not only is it an opportunity for you to buy something that where the the proceeds in that economy can give back to the original survivors and those the states rights won't be an important part but also you know.

22:52.48
aidecodes
Try this state. Wow Most part that's amazing. You know.

22:59.82
Abran Maldonado
Like as you said giving folks an opportunity to create new businesses and starting that new economy. But also it doesn't always have to be about digital assets. So like yeah, that'll be a part of it where like you can mince or buy things because it doesn't always have to be webp 3 either like you can buy things in there that.

23:02.13
aidecodes
Create new distances and sort.

23:08.46
aidecodes
So hundred depends for one of the creat that.

23:18.66
Abran Maldonado
Will live in there as a digital asset. But also it's no different than Amazon you can make the transaction in narrow right? So if someone doesn't want to sell their custom products on Amazon or Etsy sell it in there and then once the transaction happens.

23:18.85
aidecodes
Yeah.

23:31.34
aidecodes
Function it. So.

23:37.12
aidecodes
Right in the real world. Wow yep.

23:37.76
Abran Maldonado
Still gonna get something shipped to their house in the real worlds you know so it doesn't just have to be oh I own this digital necklace no like the real necklace is gonna get shipped to you? Yeah exactly So a lot of people got caught up in what am I gonna do with this nftt or you know what's this token for.

23:47.26
aidecodes
That's ah awesome I mean think about that.

23:54.79
aidecodes
Oh yeah.

23:57.79
Abran Maldonado
It's really utility. It's just like if you have if you decide the purpose first and the meaning first and just make the nftt or the token just the the the key to entry then it almost you forget about the Nft. It's not about before we were focusing too much on the Nft people go like cause they got it and they're like all right now. What am I doing with this.

24:06.60
aidecodes
Yeah I agree. Yep.

24:17.10
Abran Maldonado
Just welcome around but they didn't make the endpoint. There's a matrix metaverse I let me stop. There's a matrix nft there were a bunch of these meta human avatars and I'm a dope I bought like 10 of them right? and.

24:24.60
aidecodes
Oh.

24:34.92
Abran Maldonado
They they sold crazy. They sold out madquick I think they released 100000 but but it was with the promise of there's eventually going to be a matrix metas where you can use this as as as a you know as a citizen to that environment.

24:34.94
aidecodes
Point a. A place. Yeah.

24:50.20
aidecodes
And.

24:52.24
Abran Maldonado
And they'll have the matrix powers if you take the blue pill or red pill I'm still waiting on that mever that red reverse doesn't come around like and that's a thing they cashed in on the what five Mil that they made from selling 100000 avatars at fifty bucks a pop some on the resale market are making more to.

24:56.90
aidecodes
Right.

25:02.12
aidecodes
But from store.

25:11.17
Abran Maldonado
Fund and finance that meverses that they need to build you know So I I mean Elon Mus is doing the same thing he rolled out a carpet a cardboard cyber truck and got a bunch of pre-orders on a cardboard cyber truck with aluminum foil to actually make the real one. Yeah and he did.

25:12.36
aidecodes
A.

25:22.78
aidecodes
Um.

25:24.61
aidecodes
He got it though is is is here are almost here. but yeah no but I I love that and I love the idea of what you said about the Nft because everyone looks at Nc and like that's stupid right.

25:30.25
Abran Maldonado
Basic with.

25:40.76
aidecodes
And for me, what's amazing about and nftt is like you said the use case like some people are using it for like this is an Nft to get into a real event or a virtual event like it's just something they're adding to that or the smart contracting part behind it and the blockchain behind it like the fact that this can be the only or you can attach smart contracts to something for. In perpetuity for the rest of your life so you could sell something that you get a royalty off of for a very long time like that's the part about Nftts that really excites me but I agree with you unless you have like that end or the vision for it. Um, a lot of nts are gonna fail I mean we know that. But. We're gonna do well. But the real part about it is what can you What's the use case and making sure that's upfront because otherwise everyone's popping up in a teas right now.

26:20.20
Abran Maldonado
Yeah, and I guess that is where the blockchain is important for this black wall Street metaverse project is because of the history and we we specifically said that that we didn't want to touch on the massacre of it because I was like.

26:26.20
aidecodes
Oh yeah.

26:35.74
Abran Maldonado
The part that a lot of people remember we were like no we want to focus on like the actual thriving economy and the business part of it. But for the part for the businesses that are no longer there. The the structure of that business can live in perpetuity on the blockchain in this environment and there's so many businesses So many communities like this that.

26:37.80
aidecodes
So.

26:48.76
aidecodes
Yep yep.

26:55.55
Abran Maldonado
You can resurrect in this environment and they're never gonna go away. They're always gonna be there. You know? um so there are still as the more we think about it the more partners that we speak to more opportunities pop up or like the Baseline is juice got to create it. It has to exist and then.

26:57.74
aidecodes
Right? I Love that.

27:05.82
aidecodes
So.

27:12.90
aidecodes
Yeah, is truly endless as you think about all the things you could do in the metaverse or even in our real world like opportunities are always endless and I'm excited about all the stuff you're doing I do want to pivot us to a conversation around.

27:14.68
Abran Maldonado
Let different opportunities come through you know.

27:30.36
aidecodes
Um, that Washington post article that you so graciously slid across um our news feeds like it was like oh I'm just in the washington post talk to us about that. What the heck are you doing what's going on I read it of course but share it with our readers.

27:40.46
Abran Maldonado
Um, the end.

27:47.30
Abran Maldonado
So at some point um right around all the sentience and Ai talk that happens so that went viral couple months ago and I got a lot of folks hit me up. They were like yo. Did you see this article.

27:51.65
aidecodes
Oh.

28:04.58
Abran Maldonado
You know they don't even know about Clara you know and you've been doing this and and I was like um I don't work at Google you know I mean like I'm not gonna get the same attention as like a Google engineer um and Clara and what she was capable of of doing and her and what powered her was.

28:10.39
aidecodes
Yeah.

28:24.16
Abran Maldonado
Already hitting the the black press in black media outlets right? Like you know this article came out of 22 around how powerful Ai could be and sentience and conversational Ais from a Google engineer. But.

28:27.80
aidecodes
Oh.

28:39.78
Abran Maldonado
Complex and black enterprise and Ebony and and all these folks who are writing about Clara two years early so I was like you know I don't have the branding nor the complexion for viral media around this thing because one I'm also.

28:43.30
aidecodes
So yep, so.

28:51.16
aidecodes
So.

28:56.64
Abran Maldonado
And didn't have the same reaction as Blake guy name was Blake Lamore like I didn't have the same reaction as him like I knew the things that this a I was capable of doing but we we've been working with it for so long I spent so many hours with Clara that it didn't scare me. There's just a certain responsibility behind it right? so.

28:57.71
aidecodes
Okay, yeah.

29:14.66
Abran Maldonado
I You know I responded I put out a tweet and I was like you know you got you? You got to understand what you're dealing with with this stuff and you got to do it the right way and there's certain ethic ethics behind it? Um, but I was like you know what? let me.

29:24.14
aidecodes
And.

29:30.33
Abran Maldonado
Let me see what happens if I like actually speak to the media about what we've been doing to not only shout out what we've been doing but for for those who don't understand like this Ai world right now. It's it's kind of broken up there because there's like Ai researchers and Ai engineers.

29:36.70
aidecodes
Yeah, yeah.

29:44.95
aidecodes
And.

29:48.37
Abran Maldonado
And there's like Ai developers and then there's just like the community of like free independent creatives that are just creating with these technologies you know and we kind of fall into that category right? So when I get approached for jobs at like Google or meta to be like an Ai researcher or an Ai engineer I'm like I don't even know if I'm qualified for that.

29:55.25
aidecodes
Oh.

30:07.39
Abran Maldonado
Like that's that's a different skill set but we were the ones that got access to this technology first before the Ai researchers and the engineers and the Ai academics like so then when they got access to like what is this and we're like you'll relax like we've.

30:10.17
aidecodes
Little ah.

30:16.44
aidecodes
That's fair. Yep.

30:20.25
aidecodes
So oh.

30:24.54
Abran Maldonado
We you come and ask us. We'll tell you but no, 1 ne's asking us right? because we're not at that we're not in those we're on the ivy tower we're not at in a you know in a fan company. Um, but the Washington post reached out to the same woman that reached out.

30:35.30
aidecodes
So.

30:41.91
Abran Maldonado
And wrote on that story. The senti it's an Ai story mom reached out to us about a week or two later and they're like let's let's talk about the work that you've been doing and let's speak to Clara so we've had several meetings with Natasha and she's great. She understands it she understands the space.

30:44.54
aidecodes
Ah, okay.

30:59.40
Abran Maldonado
She she may not have been as informed on like how much of it was going on before Google released lambda. Um, but she was familiar with openai and g p t three and she was familiar ah in in some extents to to that community. But then I told her about the ambassadors that we are and in the work that we've been doing if like.

31:01.57
aidecodes
Yes, Mayor Yeah, okay.

31:12.75
aidecodes
E.

31:19.35
Abran Maldonado
You know prototyping this stuff from very early on and what we've been seeing and then clariro um, so you know from that conversation she was like I understand the technology but there's something else there with with clairro I'm like I don't like there's just just something else but and she didn't write on that because she had already put off the Blake article.

31:23.44
aidecodes
Um.

31:36.11
aidecodes
And and.

31:38.40
Abran Maldonado
So she's not going to follow up and do another sentient and Ai article on Clara but she you know we did have that conversation and she was like you know, let's have some follow conversations I told her about dolly so I was like look if you want to test run Dolly let's do it again. Let's set up another call so a few weeks pass and she was like yes, let's umma take you up on that dolly meeting.

31:46.17
aidecodes
And you know.

31:54.98
aidecodes
Okay.

31:57.23
Abran Maldonado
We we set up another meeting and I showed her dolly and she came ready. She had did her research. She did her homework. She already interviewed folks at openai. Um, and she was like can you just pull it up I'm thinking she's gonna ask for like flowers to be generated or you know something simple like Mona Lisa she's like.

31:59.92
aidecodes
Okay, okay, okay. Nice, nice.

32:10.50
aidecodes
That is one.

32:16.24
Abran Maldonado
Can you regenerate the storming of the capital on January Sixth I was like day home like yo I'm like hold on this and knock at my doors that. Yeah yeah, exactly so she quoted me in the article saying you know you're gonna get me fired.

32:21.85
aidecodes
Ah, that just jump. But there's level one and then there's that.

32:34.61
Abran Maldonado
Um, but you know we generated that and it was interesting to see that the system generated like red hats in the crowd and and how it captured the energy of that day. It didn't capture like the capitol building with like a sprinkle of people.

32:42.47
aidecodes
In are break. Wow.

32:54.32
Abran Maldonado
No, it captured like a mob um at the thing so it it was interesting what comes across but dolly you know has so many implications and we could talk about that but you know but she gave me a call. She was like yo run with article you're you're above the bump I was like I don't know that means but cool you like.

33:04.10
aidecodes
So.

33:12.30
aidecodes
Um, woo.

33:13.90
Abran Maldonado
You know I'll send you a copy. Um and you know and now she's the homie now. She's someone that I feel like we can turn to if we have any like new developments and and let her know that the representation was there because she did cast that in the article when she tried to get as much of that in there was like you know we're we're doing this for social impact. We're doing this for the represent.

33:20.64
aidecodes
I Love it. Oh.

33:31.37
Abran Maldonado
Station crazy.

33:31.97
aidecodes
Right? That is amazing I love it for folks who don't know what dolly is I know we talked about this probably in our last claire and I know ah dolly one of them is dolly to open for public yet one of them just got released public.

33:42.57
Abran Maldonado
Yeah, yes, yeah, just get open though.

33:45.75
aidecodes
Okay, so dalik too is open for everybody so people can actually use it. But what is dolly and similar tools. Um, because now there's a whole bunch of stuff popping up.

33:55.90
Abran Maldonado
So she she so green we're talking with Clara um, dolly is actually the name comes from wally the robot in Salvador Dali so they combined wally and dolly um, now there's a bunch. There's a bunch of systems out there but dolly is the top.

34:04.92
aidecodes
So.

34:13.91
Abran Maldonado
And you're not going to get me to say anything different Gp G P T three is still the top when it comes to language models dollies sell at to top when it comes to mismeration because I've seen under the hood and I know that everyone out there is just cloning.

34:14.45
aidecodes
Um.

34:20.26
aidecodes
Why do you think? dolly's atop now I'm interested. Okay.

34:29.51
Abran Maldonado
Or taking the research papers of what's possible with dolly and trying to replicate that with their own systems. The only thing that these other systems are doing that dolly is not is they're removing the restrictions and I'm not necessarily down for that because I knew it.

34:33.82
aidecodes
Okay.

34:41.20
aidecodes
Yeah, explaining explain let's talk through it.

34:48.92
Abran Maldonado
I Knew it's so I mean think about how powerful these systems are and the missing thing you know.

34:54.12
aidecodes
Some of them are tough I'm not gonna lie like there's I forgot I don't want to say names I do know the name but I don't want to say the name in what I'm thinking about but like literally a little bit of code I don't know if you saw the one basically shows like the beginning of man to the end of man.

35:06.59
Abran Maldonado
Yeah.

35:09.81
aidecodes
Like that messed me up in my head and the code was like I think he said less than 30 lines of code that created that and that for me blew my mind and off of theater and it yeah and then that's it. Yeah, so.

35:16.22
Abran Maldonado
I Don't write any I don't write any code. Why don't you, There's no dolly, there's no code with dolly I say show me this and it shows it to me So a lot of these systems they reverse engineer or try to at least what dolly did or they read the white papers.

35:29.77
aidecodes
They birthday here attract to basically with the system does not know and there.

35:35.78
Abran Maldonado
They come out with a clone system. That's not powered by as many gpu and their leverage or their differentiator is that dolly is very restricted on purpose so it was GPT three and the community is it's like.

35:45.39
aidecodes
That okay, yeah, 3 and.

35:51.96
Abran Maldonado
Oh don't restrict what we're doing like let us be whatever we want and it's like okay well there's misinformation to consider. There's like likeness rights to consider when it comes to public figures and celebrities. Um or previous created art and a lot these out of the systems.

35:57.27
aidecodes
This is and like like this spreadency is. It's a lot sweat or feet cream Board. Yep and owner. And.

36:11.70
Abran Maldonado
Don't restrict that so dolly's not not down for it. Um, and with GPT three there's still a very much a very human review process for getting your your use case approved for for production and in our internal meetings with dolly so I meet with the Dali team internally.

36:18.86
aidecodes
Good like that right. Oh.

36:29.92
Abran Maldonado
On a weekly basis to to give them feedback on what the community wants but also to hear what restrictions are being considered to be removed why they're not removed yet. Um in the beginning monetization wasn't allowed minting as an Nft wasn't allowed. Um, and then those were lifted.

36:37.24
aidecodes
Right.

36:49.31
Abran Maldonado
You know they listen to the community and they're like okay give us a chance to kind of like prepare for this from the back end and then once we've done what we need to do on the back end then we'll lift that restriction. Um, but some of the like the dolly mini I think is called.

36:53.80
aidecodes
Right? I mean.

37:05.45
Abran Maldonado
Was just like sometimes I'll just come across and and on my Twitter for that's just like dead bodies and like blood here and I'm just like yo. That's not what this is for you know what? I mean? um so I am down for the for for some restrictions because I know what I'm capable of and I can make anything so.

37:09.17
aidecodes
Oh Wow get us a lot.

37:19.30
aidecodes
So yeah.

37:24.21
Abran Maldonado
If you want propaganda and if you want misinformation if you want a scene to start a war I can make that in an afternoon and I shouldn't be allowed to make that without being checked.

37:36.88
aidecodes
You Why you have to drop it like that. No but I'm glad you said that because it is like part of doing all this right is the ethical responsibility or human responsibility we have as humans to um, be good stewards of technology and like you just said with the amount of misinformation. The amount of.

37:38.79
Abran Maldonado
This snow.

37:55.84
aidecodes
Propaganda that exists not only in other countries we have a lot of propaganda in the us as well I was just talking to someone yesterday I was like it's crazy that today I can call you where you are where are you right now. Okay, so you're Jersey Shore I can call you right now in jersey store I can call a friend right now.

38:05.69
Abran Maldonado
Down the Jersey Shore down the beach.

38:13.42
aidecodes
In Germany I can call a firm right now in Arizona we all would have seen the same news hits and our news is being filtered in a way where back in the day we would have different news coming to us now we all have the same stories hidden the same crap every day. It's the elon. It's the Kanye it's. Um, Russia is China is like literally the same things we're back in the day we only had what was in our region or things we like but news and media and all that is changing substantially and I do think that is a little bit scary when you have things like Ai that can create um, people's faces or whatever and um.

38:29.10
Abran Maldonado
Um, basically.

38:47.77
aidecodes
Take people's likenesses and what's happening with deepfakes like there's a lot that is very scary speaking of voices as I like I'm a change this topic because now I feel like I'm going Doomsday but speaking of voices one of the things you said earlier at the beginning was like hearing my voice. Um. Is weird to you right? Now. Why is it weird to you and let's talk about that and then we'll kind of get back to this little Doomsday Conversation. We're having.

39:10.98
Abran Maldonado
Because you are the amazing beautiful voice of the official voice of Clara um, and I really appreciate um endlessly and there's still more business for me and you to do um the opportunity that you gave us to.

39:22.56
aidecodes
3

39:27.67
Abran Maldonado
Take your voice and do a synthetic mapping of your voice using artificial intelligence to provide that voice to Clara. So now that as she speaks your tonality. Your inflection is what everyone hears and that mattered immensely for the community because when it comes to representation they see themselves. And Clara and they hear themselves in Clara when they when they hear you um, speaking through through Clara. Um, so there are several different and there's a so there's a technology around that now too. That's there's a few different versions I know the team that's doing a lot of the star wars work.

39:47.92
aidecodes
And.

40:04.62
aidecodes
And.

40:06.76
Abran Maldonado
And what they're doing is more like voice matching so there's a actual actor doing the performance of Darth Vader yeah no those are really good. So there's an actor performing as Darth Vader

40:11.95
aidecodes
Okay, ah I was winning because girls were good. Okay, yeah. Got it? Okay, okay, okay, okay.

40:24.81
Abran Maldonado
But then after that actor performs and their natural voice. They convert that voice into James Earl joins jones's voice um or in Luke Skyworker's voice from when they did it for Luke um in the mandaloran. Um, so that service is available to us I know that team they're based in the Ukraine. Um.

40:40.35
aidecodes
Oh that's cool. Okay, do it? wow.

40:44.43
Abran Maldonado
Do we did a meeting with them in the middle of the war I was like are you good right? now they're like no, we're good. We just moved to the west side I'm like you think if there was a war going on in Philly I'd be working right now like just moving a couple miles to the west that I ain't beef for that. You know exactly but like ah.

40:52.10
aidecodes
Now. Yeah now. Yeah, at that point I'm done like we're not working. Yeah.

41:02.40
Abran Maldonado
This meeting's not that important I'm not paying you today. So go home. But so yeah, so there's that that thing and then what we did is. It's a voice training where we take a sample of your voice and then the sample is run through the ai system and then we can now use that same you know.

41:09.80
aidecodes
Right.

41:21.33
Abran Maldonado
Vocal inflection pattern and then apply it to anything that writes or any text that comes out of the system which is called um st t and then tts so speech to text or text to speech for Clari.

41:23.75
aidecodes
Yep yep.

41:34.85
aidecodes
Um, and for y'all who haven't heard her I try to post it more often just to get folks. Um to know like this is able like and this is happening because I tell folks all the time like that I didn't say that like the things I trained on were things like.

41:42.92
Abran Maldonado
Well yeah.

41:50.82
aidecodes
Talking about Seinfield or talking about some random tv show I'm just reading like lines and the things she says now I've never said and like it's amazing that you can take someone's voice and like train on it and there's other systems that can do it in less time like I know we spend a lot of time like reading through scripts and trying to make sure things are right.

41:56.36
Abran Maldonado
Um, yes.

42:09.24
aidecodes
I'm also like sometimes just so you know I get weird because some of the works I say I don't like the way I say them when she says them because that's how I save in real life and I was like if I did this again I would change how I say certain things but that's my own issue but now there are some technologies that can take.

42:13.17
Abran Maldonado
Um, yeah.

42:18.86
Abran Maldonado
Yeah.

42:23.86
aidecodes
15 seconds of someone's voice and like create something new on so this stuff is really exciting I love it personally. But I think back to what you just said we gotta make sure that people are being responsible I like you all use my voice cause I know y'all are responsible I know what y' all are doing with Clara for other folks who are getting either like.

42:35.89
Abran Maldonado
Um, yeah.

42:42.24
aidecodes
Said folks likenesses are being taken or people are literally putting up art that they don't have rights to through some of these other um like ah Ai art tools and things like that. So just it's just a lot to think about. Who are the folks that are thinking about it in your space are there any groups that are talking about this and making sure this stuff is being done right? that we should know about.

43:01.82
Abran Maldonado
Yeah I mean actually I'm going to be speaking on a voice panel at this big hollywood ah voice conference in December um, and it's mostly going to be all the professional voice actors like me and my kids were going through the lineup because they're like oh that's the voice of my favorite cartoon character and.

43:07.10
aidecodes
Nice. And.

43:19.90
Abran Maldonado
So me and Claire are gonna be out there for that conference and I'm sure this is gonna come up with that crew. There was a big one in DC that just happened in October a big voice summit. So I'm being in addition to the ai world that I'm a part of in the metaverse world I'm also one foot one toe pinky toe maybe and like.

43:19.13
aidecodes
Ah, cool.

43:21.75
aidecodes
And.

43:38.60
aidecodes
Nice, nice.

43:38.58
Abran Maldonado
The voice industry in understanding what that's about um I had a childhood friend reach out an amazing sister name is ashante timel um jamaican sister that I thought was still a basketball coach and she restoped. She's um I'm actually a V O actor now professional and um.

43:49.67
aidecodes
Wow.

43:56.90
Abran Maldonado
Want to future-proof my career by understanding how Ai is going to impact my career well can I join the team can I can I learn more you know from from what you guys are doing.

44:00.73
aidecodes
Um, that is so real. Wow.

44:10.18
Abran Maldonado
I'm like absolutely you know come on board and and help me understand the voice industry but you know I want to help you understand where this is going on this side and um, just to make sure that this is still your likeness. You know I mean your likeness rights like I know and you know just to throw business out there because I don't think enough people talk about business.

44:12.84
aidecodes
Oh. Right.

44:27.20
aidecodes
Button.

44:29.13
Abran Maldonado
Um, when it comes to this stuff but we have a partnership like I I contracted you on just like a demo deal. You know I mean it was just like we're just really demoing what's possible. We'll clearre out there and if you know I know little Michaela I think she has like a big talent deal with like caia one of the big talent agencies.

44:33.30
aidecodes
And.

44:42.43
aidecodes
And.

44:46.81
Abran Maldonado
So if we explore a big deal for Clara we're gonna revisit that contract for your voice because you're a part of it. You know I mean so that's a deal for you down the line and for Clara you know as she grows you know she gets contracted for a movie. You know you might get your sad card because you know what I mean.

44:49.89
aidecodes
Right.

45:00.17
aidecodes
Air getting that movie. No, but seriously no that definitely makes sense.

45:06.25
Abran Maldonado
Because the the threshold for like you getting certain points on like your sack card is like did you have dialogue in that movie. You know I mean so like you're getting the v o points when it comes to that you know if you're powering Clara you know as we so we got to make sure that we stay on top of that down the line.

45:11.54
aidecodes
So.

45:23.73
aidecodes
Um, um I mean I may so yeah.

45:23.74
Abran Maldonado
Because you might have a Vo a v o career in front of you on top of you like you your blog person you know so we got to get you with asantte and see like yo. How do y team up, you know? Um, but it's important because ashante can scale.

45:33.93
aidecodes
But it is post it. The.

45:40.12
Abran Maldonado
The the benefit from this is that Shante can scale how many clients she takes on throughout the year because she's not doing live reads and live recordings or for certain gigs is like here's just my api key to my Ai voice. Go use that and speaking back to how we did your voice the company that we used.

45:42.56
aidecodes
Oh yeah, that is so true. Yeah yep, and then go use it. Yep I Love that.

45:58.62
Abran Maldonado
No longer, no longer does that long form script read. Um they we just did a new mapping with another actor on our team and they did the first part like that 20 minute part and they're like art. We're good and I'm like whoa. Ah, really yeah.

46:01.00
aidecodes
Interesting I Yep oh Wow So they're getting really good. Yeah cause I forgot how long the maybe it was a hour yeah or some of that or.

46:17.71
Abran Maldonado
Yeah, didn't off take a few hours yeah last them.

46:20.65
aidecodes
Whatever it was but it was like and and I had to keep recording because I'm like I didn't say that right I didn't like the way that sounded I'm like if this is gonna go out there. Let me do this differently.

46:25.16
Abran Maldonado
Yeah, and then so we're take we're exploring a partnership with another um system and this is because you know I love partnering with other companies that are doing great work but also until we ramp up and scale and raise enough money before we.

46:36.70
aidecodes
Some. Yeah, unscatful bit.

46:42.92
Abran Maldonado
Build our own versions of these systems. It's just good to find good partners with any in these structures. So we're exploring a partnership with another one that doesn't need you to do a live read like I can give them um a few snippets from your podcast and map from there. Yeah.

46:45.60
aidecodes
Agree. So.

46:57.63
aidecodes
And then you're good. Yeah, those are the ones I'm I've been more familiar with lately like the ones where you could take a little bit and then literally I don't know folks listening I've heard like some of the ones where taking old artists. Um. Just words that they said or songs that they song and they're creating whole new songs after an artist has died which to me is super scary and gets into a whole bunch of stuff on the legal side that is another day but it's it's a wild frontier. So I'm I'm thankful for people like you um in the the crate last team who are thinking about this and who are really creating stuff.

47:11.55
Abran Maldonado
Um, yeah.

47:16.82
Abran Maldonado
Um, yeah.

47:30.31
aidecodes
Make sure people like that look like you and I understand what's happening and feel like this isn't scary that this is something that we can do that we can be a part of and I love how you partner with people of color and you like jumping in all different spaces and bringing people along with you I think that is amazing. So what's next for Clara. What else? do you want to talk about um and as we wrap up.

47:51.25
Abran Maldonado
Um, gee. Well next for Clara is she's still hitting the road so we are going to as I mentioned with Sle for this year we just did harlem and that was important to me because you can't do this work. With these technologies a representation if you're not getting the cosine from your community that you're doing the right way and for the right reasons going back to Harlem and getting that Cosine of Clara im like yoll do youall approve of Clara and what she's doing yes, okay, then we're gonna keep going keep doing what we're doing. You know what? I mean and the opportunities that are coming out of there.

48:15.46
aidecodes
Um, gas Real. Yep! Love it. So.

48:28.57
Abran Maldonado
So we're going to l a um, we just booked portugal. We're going to a big tech conference in Portugal in November so we're excited for that and she's gonna continue to be an ambassador but we've created other so she's a proof of concept.

48:31.86
aidecodes
Nice.

48:43.99
aidecodes
Oh yeah.

48:45.84
Abran Maldonado
Which is why she's like still like a demo road show right? like she's still the the magic show that we show and everyone's like great. Can we do this now like what are ah ideas that come out of that so we do have some character based ones that are some from some of your favorite.

49:01.71
aidecodes
Nice.

49:02.68
Abran Maldonado
Movies or or Tv shows that we've created that are going to open up some some amazing opportunities for what this holds for like media and entertainment. You know, um we are exploring the the legacy aspect that you mentioned on of like you know people that are no longer with us and and bringing those folks back you know we touched on that a little bit last time.

49:09.49
aidecodes
Yes.

49:16.76
aidecodes
It right? Yep, it is and it will is already like yeah cause if I see one more Whitney Houston hologram

49:22.44
Abran Maldonado
And like that is a scary space but' I feel like it's gonna happen eventually and and we want to make sure that we're doing that the right way and with the state of Og I mean listen like just I'll make a Whitney Avatar You know I mean it'll be better than you.

49:34.65
aidecodes
I'm going to freak out. And make sure she looked like Whitney. Not whatever they put on that stage at 1 time. Nice here. You guys. So y'all good there you go.

49:40.28
Abran Maldonado
Um, yoll shout out to my wife. She is a diehard Whitney Fan we have a £200 Ben of Whitney Memorabilia in the house some at a little basement so im go just pull out that the archive and just make sure that we're doing it accurately. Um. But now so we have we have products that we're building. Um, one product that we have in the market right now is a dei ai tool that way companies can leverage this ai technology to better understand diversity equity inclusion for their companies. It's a tool that we also.

50:01.29
aidecodes
So. Okay, that you know.

50:16.28
aidecodes
Um.

50:18.72
Abran Maldonado
Provide to dei consultants so that they can. They can be better equipped with Ai technology to sell to their clients and scale for their clients because that's a very old school technology I mean old school industry where like you're doing workshops dei workshops for like 20 people at a time but like all right.

50:20.72
aidecodes
I'll go.

50:24.20
aidecodes
So.

50:33.00
aidecodes
Yeah, yeah, right.

50:36.41
Abran Maldonado
How do you address a company that's 10000 employees you know I mean like you got to give your knowledge your expertise to this ai whether it's an avatar form or text form or voice. What have you and make sure that it's an extension of you and your work right? so.

50:43.87
aidecodes
Right.

50:52.92
aidecodes
Yep.

50:55.80
Abran Maldonado
We we have that tool out in the marker right now. Um, and we're having like a lot of Enterprise B Two B conversations around that we haven't really released it as a B to C product yet? Um, but we're exploring that. Um and you know clarire too like I'm trying to think of like what's the B to c.

50:55.47
aidecodes
Oh that's awesome.

51:04.27
aidecodes
Okay, makes sense.

51:10.84
aidecodes
I.

51:13.90
Abran Maldonado
Like the Ro Claro like I do want the people to interact with her and not just have her be like an in event. You know, kind of experience but I want to make sure we do that the right way too. Ah in these metaverses I mean we have a few metaverses up our sleeve. We're having conversations with partners Media companies. Investors to scale these up but we haven't we haven't waited around or sat around for anyone to like hand us a check like everything. Do we bootstrap is from the money that we make and we go back into R and D to reinvest and if we need to put out something on our own then we put it out on our own you know.

51:34.30
aidecodes
Love it.

51:40.80
aidecodes
And.

51:51.90
Abran Maldonado
Um, we started demoing what what's capable with like Ai art. Um, but then as soon as some brands and some some clients start to see that they're like could you do that for us I'm like yes we can you know like anything you demo out there. A lot of people like afraid to demo I feel sometimes it's it's more common.

51:54.48
aidecodes
Okay, yep.

52:02.41
aidecodes
And. People are there and.

52:11.30
Abran Maldonado
In the tech community of like developers where they call like you know they build in public right? It's like transparent development where're like yo check out this demo and sometimes your demo goes viral and then a lot of deals come from that demo so I need to get better with that too because I come from the hip hop World I come from the.

52:18.24
aidecodes
Yep yep.

52:30.84
Abran Maldonado
Entertainment World is like yo I'm not showing nobody this while I'm slow in the lab when is in the lab. It's in the lab. No one seeing it till I'm like drop Well sometimes you gotta to tease that Mix Mixtape Freestyle you mean sometimes you got to drop an ep or just a single to get.

52:33.13
aidecodes
Nothing until it's time right? Yeah, um.

52:48.50
Abran Maldonado
Everyone understanding like what you're really about and what you could really do you know? So you'll see more stuff from us from a demo standpoint. But right now it's like we want to make sure it's it's it's legit and official. But from ah from a yeah um, ah really excited for Jay Z Jay Z partnered with ah.

52:49.45
aidecodes
Yeah, you know. You'll see Okay, but.

52:59.48
aidecodes
It's this was here but from.

53:06.98
Abran Maldonado
Idris Sandu and spatial labs very similar to create labs so like ah Jake Hove gets it right? like hove gets it. They're doing a lot with like webp three wearable wep three ar so I'm like all I bet I want our folks to start seeing like okay we need to be in these spaces who are the folks.

53:10.86
aidecodes
Yep.

53:15.80
aidecodes
So.

53:25.92
aidecodes
Yep, yeah.

53:26.83
Abran Maldonado
That are in this space that can help us get there the right way so shout out to j he found Idris who had you know work with Nipsey um, but you know someone needs to knock on our door I'm like yo I need to get into this space. Can you take me there with your technology because the answer's always gonna be yes.

53:35.50
aidecodes
Um.

53:41.33
aidecodes
Yep I love it if that that was the best like promo slash. What's going on. Um, so I Really appreciate you taking time to do that.

53:49.35
Abran Maldonado
Um.

53:53.39
aidecodes
If someone is listening to this and like oh no I want to I want to find where abron is I want to find Claire I want to find create labs where are y'all? um, located on the web and where can folks find you.

54:03.71
Abran Maldonado
Yeah I mean the site is always still create Labs Io Um I'll tease this even here. So we've even we've started to expand you know create lives is getting kind of big, especially with all these projects So the official parent company now is create future industries.

54:13.11
aidecodes
I Love it. Nice.

54:20.74
Abran Maldonado
So that's the holding company behind create labs. That's gonna hold a lot of the ip that we're creating. Um so we might brand around that too. But right now still create labs. So just create Labbs Io but our folks are on Ig you know I mean like they love finding us on Ig we answer all our Dms we hire people through our Dms.

54:34.87
aidecodes
I Love it.

54:38.52
Abran Maldonado
So folks they you know shoot your shot just just act create labs and I g um, you could find me aron ai um on Tiktok for demos on you know my thoughts on the ai space. Um, usually my my dolly demos are on Tiktok. Um. I g's abra ai and then on Twitter's just add a bra. Um, and um, yeah, we got a lot cooking man I mean Claire's gonna do clairro and then you know when I feel like it's time to show you guys the other things that we're working on when it's out of the lab. You know.

55:13.30
aidecodes
I bring it. We are ready. You know I'm like this it's in to see it? No, but thank you so much as always. This is always great to talk with you? Um, thank you for everything that you're doing and I can't wait to hear about what's next.

55:13.54
Abran Maldonado
Then I'll come here first before I go anywhere else. You know? Yeah, um.

55:29.86
Abran Maldonado
Yes, before I go I just want to shout out I don't do this by myself. Great labs is a beautiful black and brown teamen of of all you know, shoutout to my co-founder Grady Grady's head down with versuss versus still blowing up Jess ah, you know making kinda you know out from the Bay Marcella

55:37.13
aidecodes
So nice.

55:47.57
Abran Maldonado
You know one of the key designers behind Clara and the Josh and jail husband and wife team down in the mississippi who works on thatic course. Are we all over man harmony and Orlando tanya in Tampa like we are a dispersed company mainly of you know a majority women of color. Um, and we have a beautiful team.

55:50.31
aidecodes
Nice, okay Mississippi what part? do you know? let's go. So.

56:07.55
Abran Maldonado
Across the country some folks in Canada too. So if you have the skill set and you want to reach out just hit us up. You know where to find us.

56:14.10
aidecodes
Love it. Thank you so much and thank you for shing out your team back to what I said earlier, you're always about community and bringing folks together Abron Thanks again and I will see you soon.

56:24.42
Abran Maldonado
Um, always thank you.