{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":0.402,"endTime":3.552,"body":"Growing up, a career in"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":0.402,"endTime":3.552,"body":"sport is the dream for so many of us."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":4.062,"endTime":7.062,"body":"Whether it's getting drafted to"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":4.062,"endTime":7.062,"body":"our favorite team or being selected"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":7.062,"endTime":10.482,"body":"to represent our country at the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":7.062,"endTime":10.482,"body":"Olympics - we rightfully hold up these"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":10.482,"endTime":14.472,"body":"examples as goals worthy of dedicating"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":10.482,"endTime":14.472,"body":"one's youth towards achieving."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":15.215,"endTime":18.425,"body":"But despite the extreme dedication"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":15.215,"endTime":18.425,"body":"and sacrifice it takes to get to"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":18.425,"endTime":22.115,"body":"the top, spending even a decade"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":18.425,"endTime":22.115,"body":"there is the exception rather than"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":22.115,"endTime":23.955,"body":"the norm, in just about any sport."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":24.775,"endTime":28.242,"body":"With the average team sport career"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":24.775,"endTime":28.242,"body":"normally lasting no more than a few years,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":28.602,"endTime":33.042,"body":"and many sports unable to support athletes"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":28.602,"endTime":33.042,"body":"on a full-time basis, the reality is"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":33.222,"endTime":37.062,"body":"that the typical time an athlete spends"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":33.222,"endTime":37.062,"body":"performing at the highest level represents"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":37.062,"endTime":38.765,"body":"a very short fraction of their life."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":39.462,"endTime":43.302,"body":"So how can athletes best plan and"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":39.462,"endTime":43.302,"body":"prepare for what comes next, especially"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":43.302,"endTime":46.382,"body":"given they may not be able to control"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":43.302,"endTime":46.382,"body":"when they'll reach the finishing line?"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":47.337,"endTime":50.877,"body":"Fortunately many sports now have"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":47.337,"endTime":50.877,"body":"formalised programs and athlete"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":50.877,"endTime":55.737,"body":"associations to assist with this process,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":50.877,"endTime":55.737,"body":"and increased professionalisation has"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":55.737,"endTime":59.877,"body":"meant that athlete care of all types has"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":55.737,"endTime":59.877,"body":"risen to higher levels than ever before."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":60.53,"endTime":63.2,"body":"But not all sports are equal"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":60.53,"endTime":63.2,"body":"and athletes from commercially"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":63.2,"endTime":67.009,"body":"popular and well-resourced sports"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":63.2,"endTime":67.009,"body":"undoubtedly receive more support"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":67.039,"endTime":68.629,"body":"when it comes to transitioning."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":69.115,"endTime":72.865,"body":"And even with the very best programs"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":69.115,"endTime":72.865,"body":"in place, the unique set of emotional,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":72.865,"endTime":77.605,"body":"physical, and financial impacts inflicted"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":72.865,"endTime":77.605,"body":"by that escapable early expiration"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":77.605,"endTime":79.645,"body":"date can still be felt strongly."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":80.935,"endTime":83.485,"body":"Because when the crescendo you've"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":80.935,"endTime":83.485,"body":"been building towards your whole"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":83.485,"endTime":86.875,"body":"life suddenly ends, with so much"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":83.485,"endTime":86.875,"body":"time still on the clock, there will"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":86.875,"endTime":90.415,"body":"be major changes to your environment"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":86.875,"endTime":90.415,"body":"and accompanying support mechanisms."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":90.972,"endTime":93.822,"body":"So where do the responsibilities"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":90.972,"endTime":93.822,"body":"lie in ensuring that athletes"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":93.822,"endTime":96.992,"body":"successfully transition into"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":93.822,"endTime":96.992,"body":"the next phase of their life?"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":97.557,"endTime":101.127,"body":"Especially given this 'success'"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":97.557,"endTime":101.127,"body":"can differ in meaning substantially"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":101.337,"endTime":102.567,"body":"from person to person."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":103.647,"endTime":106.497,"body":"I'm Sam Robertson, and"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":103.647,"endTime":106.497,"body":"this is One Track Mind."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":112.9,"endTime":117.76,"body":"Hello, and welcome to One Track Mind - a"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":112.9,"endTime":117.76,"body":"podcast about the real issues, forces and"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":117.76,"endTime":120.01,"body":"innovations shaping the future of sport."},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":120.64,"endTime":124.09,"body":"life after sport - how can"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":124.11,"endTime":125.85,"body":"we help athletes transition?"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":126.24,"endTime":128.13,"body":"My first guest is Bianca Chatfield."},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":128.85,"endTime":132.39,"body":"Bianca is one of Australia's best known"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":128.85,"endTime":132.39,"body":"netballers, having performed at the"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":132.39,"endTime":137.28,"body":"elite level on the international stage"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":132.39,"endTime":137.28,"body":"for well over a decade and compiling 59"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":137.28,"endTime":139.17,"body":"test caps for the Australian Diamonds."},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":139.83,"endTime":143.01,"body":"Her accolades include multiple"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":139.83,"endTime":143.01,"body":"World and Commonwealth Games gold"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":143.01,"endTime":146.7,"body":"medals, as well as considerable"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":143.01,"endTime":146.7,"body":"domestic success winning multiple"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":146.7,"endTime":148.71,"body":"championships with the Melbourne Vixens."},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":149.13,"endTime":153.24,"body":"Bianca's journey post-competitive sport"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":149.13,"endTime":153.24,"body":"is perhaps equally interesting - she's"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":153.24,"endTime":157.17,"body":"a qualified teacher, has performed"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":153.24,"endTime":157.17,"body":"as a TV host for Super Netball and"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":157.17,"endTime":162.06,"body":"Women's Football, and in 2018 appeared"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":157.17,"endTime":162.06,"body":"on the hit reality show The Block."},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":162.96,"endTime":167.01,"body":"Bianca also co-authored a book, 'Every"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":162.96,"endTime":167.01,"body":"Girl Needs A Plan', which seeks to"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":167.01,"endTime":171.51,"body":"empower women to find their passion,"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":167.01,"endTime":171.51,"body":"navigate through the fear of change and"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":171.51,"endTime":173.36,"body":"nail down a game plan to make it happen."},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":174.24,"endTime":177.931,"body":"She's also co-developed a netball high"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":174.24,"endTime":177.931,"body":"performance academy, through which she"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":177.931,"endTime":181.471,"body":"provides high-performance coaching to"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":177.931,"endTime":181.471,"body":"a group of young women who share the"},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":181.471,"endTime":183.751,"body":"desire of playing at the elite level."},{"speaker":"On today's episode we're asking","startTime":183.991,"endTime":184.891,"body":"Bianca, thanks for joining me."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":185.571,"endTime":187.671,"body":"I'm really"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":185.571,"endTime":187.671,"body":"excited to be talking to you."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":188.133,"endTime":188.583,"body":"Great!"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":188.583,"endTime":191.641,"body":"It's always nice when people are"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":188.583,"endTime":191.641,"body":"excited as opposed to the opposite."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":191.671,"endTime":196.141,"body":"Now, before we get into this really"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":191.671,"endTime":196.141,"body":"complex and interesting topic, I wanted"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":196.141,"endTime":199.621,"body":"to start with, perhaps an easier question"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":196.141,"endTime":199.621,"body":"for you, although you might have to cast"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":199.621,"endTime":201.631,"body":"your mind back to when you retired here."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":201.671,"endTime":205.771,"body":"Now you enjoyed a career much longer"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":201.671,"endTime":205.771,"body":"than, I guess, most people are afforded,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":205.771,"endTime":211.441,"body":"it seems like about 15 years or so"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":205.771,"endTime":211.441,"body":"and retired in 2015, which is six"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":211.441,"endTime":212.611,"body":"years ago if you can believe that."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":212.831,"endTime":216.661,"body":"Now I'm mindful I'm taking you back six"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":212.831,"endTime":216.661,"body":"years here, but I thought we'd explore"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":216.661,"endTime":222.421,"body":"some of the main emotions or feelings"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":216.661,"endTime":222.421,"body":"or things that happened both before,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":222.421,"endTime":226.291,"body":"during, and after you transitioned into"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":222.421,"endTime":226.291,"body":"that retirement period of your career."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":226.801,"endTime":229.201,"body":"And obviously I'm interested in your"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":226.801,"endTime":229.201,"body":"own experience, but also maybe some"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":229.201,"endTime":231.721,"body":"people that you've associated with"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":229.201,"endTime":231.721,"body":"or played with along the journey."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":232.456,"endTime":233.506,"body":"Yeah, absolutely."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":233.796,"endTime":237.706,"body":"It is an interesting question because,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":233.796,"endTime":237.706,"body":"I mean, as much as it was six years ago,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":237.706,"endTime":240.976,"body":"it's still so vivid to me, those feelings."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":241.066,"endTime":246.106,"body":"I suppose I made the decision to retire"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":241.066,"endTime":246.106,"body":"probably a year before I actually did."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":246.106,"endTime":251.026,"body":"So I retired from the Australian netball"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":246.106,"endTime":251.026,"body":"team in 2014, and I wanted to give"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":251.026,"endTime":255.706,"body":"myself one more year of playing with"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":251.026,"endTime":255.706,"body":"my Melbourne club and not necessarily"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":255.706,"endTime":259.396,"body":"to enjoy just another year without all"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":255.706,"endTime":259.396,"body":"the pressure, but more so to kind of"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":259.396,"endTime":264.076,"body":"do a handover to the next generation"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":259.396,"endTime":264.076,"body":"in the leadership space and just,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":264.076,"endTime":265.366,"body":"you know, the team that we built."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":265.366,"endTime":269.776,"body":"And as much as I wanted all of"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":265.366,"endTime":269.776,"body":"that to go to plan, my body did"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":269.776,"endTime":271.816,"body":"not allow me to do that at all."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":271.816,"endTime":273.586,"body":"And by the end I could barely play."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":273.586,"endTime":274.726,"body":"I was that broken."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":274.846,"endTime":275.956,"body":"I was 33."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":276.226,"endTime":281.806,"body":"So for me, there was a lot of, I guess,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":276.226,"endTime":281.806,"body":"the emotions around it, I was desperate"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":281.806,"endTime":283.666,"body":"to not feel like I'd lost something."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":283.98,"endTime":287.49,"body":"I thought I'd been fortunate enough to"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":283.98,"endTime":287.49,"body":"play for so long and I'd got to this point"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":287.49,"endTime":291.24,"body":"in my career where I knew I was ready"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":287.49,"endTime":291.24,"body":"to go, I was excited about opportunities"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":291.33,"endTime":295.89,"body":"outside of actually being an athlete,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":291.33,"endTime":295.89,"body":"but I knew people before me who had"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":295.89,"endTime":298.23,"body":"suffered and felt like a real loss."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":298.23,"endTime":302.7,"body":"And, you know, it's like something, a"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":298.23,"endTime":302.7,"body":"part of your life has completely died"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":302.7,"endTime":304.41,"body":"and you've got to start all over again."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":304.44,"endTime":307.56,"body":"And I don't know why I always had"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":304.44,"endTime":307.56,"body":"that in the back of my head that,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":307.56,"endTime":309.72,"body":"like, I don't want to feel like"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":307.56,"endTime":309.72,"body":"that, I don't want to feel like that."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":309.78,"endTime":311.52,"body":"And of course, I did feel like that."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":311.52,"endTime":315.42,"body":"And I went through this moment in"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":311.52,"endTime":315.42,"body":"time where you're excited about"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":315.42,"endTime":319.23,"body":"what's next, but you're also, you"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":315.42,"endTime":319.23,"body":"don't know, like there's so many"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":319.23,"endTime":321.24,"body":"unknowns about what's going to happen."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":321.96,"endTime":326.28,"body":"And so I was really probably disappointed"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":321.96,"endTime":326.28,"body":"that I didn't finish in the way"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":326.28,"endTime":330.45,"body":"that I was wanting to, and that my"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":326.28,"endTime":330.45,"body":"body had let me down, and I was just"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":330.45,"endTime":335.67,"body":"really quite lost and I felt really"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":330.45,"endTime":335.67,"body":"isolated for a good chunk of time."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":335.76,"endTime":340.02,"body":"And even though as a team athlete, like"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":335.76,"endTime":340.02,"body":"a team sport athlete, you're fortunate to"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":340.02,"endTime":344.19,"body":"have so many support systems around you"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":340.02,"endTime":344.19,"body":"because you have your teammates around"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":344.19,"endTime":348.07,"body":"you, and so many of them were making a"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":344.19,"endTime":348.07,"body":"big fuss of me retiring and there was"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":348.09,"endTime":352.26,"body":"lots of celebrating and lots of great"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":348.09,"endTime":352.26,"body":"moments like that, that I look back"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":352.26,"endTime":354.57,"body":"on, but it was just all of a sudden."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":354.57,"endTime":358.78,"body":"The team then moves forward and"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":354.57,"endTime":358.78,"body":"you are just out going, okay,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":358.83,"endTime":360.0,"body":"what am I going to do next?"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":360.0,"endTime":363.96,"body":"And I had all these great plans"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":360.0,"endTime":363.96,"body":"and I had work opportunities, and"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":363.96,"endTime":367.39,"body":"I certainly wasn't lost for things"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":363.96,"endTime":367.39,"body":"to do, but I think it was just this"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":367.41,"endTime":369.72,"body":"real, the loss of the connections."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":369.72,"endTime":374.01,"body":"And it's not like the world stops when"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":369.72,"endTime":374.01,"body":"you retire, the world keeps going and"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":374.01,"endTime":377.31,"body":"the teams keep going and they keep"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":374.01,"endTime":377.31,"body":"preparing for what's next, and it's about"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":377.31,"endTime":379.08,"body":"you finding your place in the world."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":379.08,"endTime":381.72,"body":"So the loss of connection"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":379.08,"endTime":381.72,"body":"was a huge thing for me."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":381.72,"endTime":385.58,"body":"And then I resented the fact"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":381.72,"endTime":385.58,"body":"that I wanted to step away from"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":385.58,"endTime":387.29,"body":"the sport and not necessarily..."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":387.83,"endTime":391.16,"body":"I needed a break, I needed a rest, I"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":387.83,"endTime":391.16,"body":"didn't want to spend all my weekends,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":391.16,"endTime":392.93,"body":"you know, at netball all the time."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":392.93,"endTime":396.53,"body":"And so I really had this, my first"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":392.93,"endTime":396.53,"body":"year out, I remember feeling really"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":396.53,"endTime":400.97,"body":"guilty that I didn't want to be around"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":396.53,"endTime":400.97,"body":"netball, and the girls wanted me to,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":400.97,"endTime":403.43,"body":"and they wanted me to come to the games"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":400.97,"endTime":403.43,"body":"and I was like, ah, I couldn't think of"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":403.43,"endTime":405.8,"body":"anything worse, I just want to get away."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":406.16,"endTime":408.98,"body":"But yeah, it was this overwhelming guilt"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":406.16,"endTime":408.98,"body":"that I kept feeling that, like, I'm"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":408.98,"endTime":410.57,"body":"not doing the right thing by the team."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":410.66,"endTime":412.79,"body":"Like you feel when you are an"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":410.66,"endTime":412.79,"body":"athlete and you've got to do"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":412.79,"endTime":413.87,"body":"the right thing by the team."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":414.68,"endTime":414.98,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":415.12,"endTime":416.89,"body":"Is that something that's passed now?"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":416.956,"endTime":418.216,"body":"You'll go to matches now?"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":418.216,"endTime":420.476,"body":"Has it got better as time's gone on?"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":420.586,"endTime":421.756,"body":"Yeah, absolutely."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":421.786,"endTime":425.626,"body":"But it did take a bit of a circuit"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":421.786,"endTime":425.626,"body":"breaker for me to realise, probably,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":425.626,"endTime":428.896,"body":"what I was feeling and talk to"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":425.626,"endTime":428.896,"body":"people about what I was feeling and"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":428.896,"endTime":432.166,"body":"understanding that there was a huge"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":428.896,"endTime":432.166,"body":"amount of normality in that too."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":432.616,"endTime":437.116,"body":"And I think I had a good network of other"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":432.616,"endTime":437.116,"body":"athletes who are similar age in other"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":437.116,"endTime":439.426,"body":"sports who had retired at similar times."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":440.501,"endTime":443.171,"body":"You know, everything that they went"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":440.501,"endTime":443.171,"body":"through and they would talk about,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":443.531,"endTime":445.621,"body":"you go through without realising it."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":445.621,"endTime":448.721,"body":"And one was, you know, your first"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":445.621,"endTime":448.721,"body":"year out, you're so busy and all"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":448.721,"endTime":451.221,"body":"these different things you want"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":448.721,"endTime":451.221,"body":"to do and you kind of are going"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":451.221,"endTime":452.651,"body":"out there enjoying that time."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":452.651,"endTime":456.851,"body":"And then that second year out, that's"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":452.651,"endTime":456.851,"body":"probably when you feel it the most."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":456.881,"endTime":459.971,"body":"You feel the like, oh, hang on a minute,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":456.881,"endTime":459.971,"body":"like I'm no longer the new kid that's"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":459.971,"endTime":463.181,"body":"retired and everybody's like, oh come"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":459.971,"endTime":463.181,"body":"and commentate, come and do this."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":463.181,"endTime":465.311,"body":"And you know, all these"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":463.181,"endTime":465.311,"body":"opportunities coming everywhere."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":466.031,"endTime":469.901,"body":"It's that second year where you"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":466.031,"endTime":469.901,"body":"get quite overwhelmed by just"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":470.171,"endTime":471.551,"body":"the sense of loss of it all."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":471.551,"endTime":475.121,"body":"And you're starting afresh and"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":471.551,"endTime":475.121,"body":"what's going to fill the void of that"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":475.121,"endTime":479.051,"body":"adrenaline rush that you get as an"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":475.121,"endTime":479.051,"body":"athlete, whether it's pushing your"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":479.051,"endTime":484.001,"body":"body to the extreme or celebrating"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":479.051,"endTime":484.001,"body":"the highs or even the lows and trying"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":484.001,"endTime":485.651,"body":"to dig yourself out of it as a group."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":485.921,"endTime":488.591,"body":"That's what all of a sudden you feel"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":485.921,"endTime":488.591,"body":"like you're on your own all the time"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":488.591,"endTime":491.561,"body":"and that you don't have your teammates"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":488.591,"endTime":491.561,"body":"there to laugh your way through it"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":491.561,"endTime":493.071,"body":"or to pick you up when you're down."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":493.541,"endTime":497.021,"body":"But definitely having a network"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":493.541,"endTime":497.021,"body":"of people to talk to who are going"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":497.021,"endTime":501.101,"body":"through or had been through similar,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":497.021,"endTime":501.101,"body":"you start to realise, oh, okay, this"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":501.101,"endTime":504.071,"body":"is actually a normal part of the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":501.101,"endTime":504.071,"body":"process you've got to go through."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":504.071,"endTime":509.081,"body":"And as with most things, time often heals"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":504.071,"endTime":509.081,"body":"a lot of it, but also the perspective,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":509.081,"endTime":512.051,"body":"you change your perspective and you"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":509.081,"endTime":512.051,"body":"start to really be grateful of the good"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":512.051,"endTime":515.741,"body":"times and not necessarily focused so"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":512.051,"endTime":515.741,"body":"much on what you don't have anymore."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":516.136,"endTime":517.636,"body":"You've really"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":516.136,"endTime":517.636,"body":"articulated there's so many"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":517.636,"endTime":519.166,"body":"parts of the athlete experience."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":519.166,"endTime":520.756,"body":"It's not just about the competition."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":520.756,"endTime":522.196,"body":"It's about the adrenaline rush."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":522.226,"endTime":526.906,"body":"In team sports it's about the camaraderie"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":522.226,"endTime":526.906,"body":"or connection with the team, and maybe"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":526.906,"endTime":529.876,"body":"even the structure at times and the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":526.906,"endTime":529.876,"body":"competition, all those different things."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":530.606,"endTime":534.596,"body":"You know, it also occurs to me"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":530.606,"endTime":534.596,"body":"that, that can't all be replaced."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":534.729,"endTime":538.779,"body":"We've all seen different athletes"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":534.729,"endTime":538.779,"body":"try and maintain parts of that after"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":539.169,"endTime":542.139,"body":"they finished by finding another"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":539.169,"endTime":542.139,"body":"adrenaline rush or continuing to"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":542.139,"endTime":545.789,"body":"compete at a participation level,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":542.139,"endTime":545.789,"body":"but it can't all be replaced, can it?"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":545.909,"endTime":546.809,"body":"You can't replace a lot."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":547.189,"endTime":548.569,"body":"No, no."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":548.629,"endTime":551.329,"body":"And even the thing about"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":548.629,"endTime":551.329,"body":"the structure is a huge one."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":551.329,"endTime":554.989,"body":"You know, someone telling you"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":551.329,"endTime":554.989,"body":"what to do at every part of your"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":554.989,"endTime":558.859,"body":"day, you need to be here, and so"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":554.989,"endTime":558.859,"body":"everyone keeps you  accountable."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":559.039,"endTime":562.249,"body":"Even just the support network, like"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":559.039,"endTime":562.249,"body":"the medical team that you have around"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":562.249,"endTime":565.129,"body":"you - you're not feeling well, you"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":562.249,"endTime":565.129,"body":"can call a doctor straight away"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":565.129,"endTime":566.759,"body":"or you see the doctor at training."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":566.759,"endTime":570.434,"body":"You kind of lose all of those layers"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":566.759,"endTime":570.434,"body":"of protection that you had around you."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":570.734,"endTime":575.234,"body":"And for me, the structure, I was quite"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":570.734,"endTime":575.234,"body":"an organised person and being a female"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":575.234,"endTime":578.924,"body":"athlete, I often had other things on"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":575.234,"endTime":578.924,"body":"the go anyway while I was playing."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":578.924,"endTime":581.804,"body":"So the structure, I was"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":578.924,"endTime":581.804,"body":"okay at trying to fill that."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":582.634,"endTime":586.654,"body":"I found the training part, like wanting"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":582.634,"endTime":586.654,"body":"to stay fit and healthy cause you know"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":586.654,"endTime":591.034,"body":"how important that is, but every time I"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":586.654,"endTime":591.034,"body":"would go to a training session, I would"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":591.034,"endTime":595.474,"body":"do things like an F45 or something like"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":591.034,"endTime":595.474,"body":"that where you'd absolutely flog your"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":595.474,"endTime":599.524,"body":"body cause that's all you actually knew,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":595.474,"endTime":599.524,"body":"is how to push yourself to the extreme."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":600.184,"endTime":603.964,"body":"And when people would say, go and do"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":600.184,"endTime":603.964,"body":"yoga or go and do something different"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":603.994,"endTime":608.084,"body":"which actually looks after your body,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":603.994,"endTime":608.084,"body":"I found that really hard too, to"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":608.084,"endTime":611.994,"body":"go, oh, is this like, does my body"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":608.084,"endTime":611.994,"body":"get any benefits from doing this?"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":612.014,"endTime":614.474,"body":"And so a real slower pace of life."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":614.474,"endTime":619.244,"body":"I had to teach myself and understand the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":614.474,"endTime":619.244,"body":"importance of, it's okay to slow down and"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":619.244,"endTime":623.114,"body":"not go a hundred miles an hour and get"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":619.244,"endTime":623.114,"body":"your heart rate zooming, and, you know,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":623.114,"endTime":625.394,"body":"feel spent at the end of every session."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":625.394,"endTime":629.984,"body":"That's not what your body actually enjoys"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":625.394,"endTime":629.984,"body":"when it's had enough of being an athlete."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":630.584,"endTime":633.314,"body":"And probably finding the adrenaline"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":630.584,"endTime":633.314,"body":"rush in different ways and"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":633.314,"endTime":637.484,"body":"understanding that you'll never"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":633.314,"endTime":637.484,"body":"replicate that same adrenaline rush."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":637.934,"endTime":641.834,"body":"But I started to feel that like"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":637.934,"endTime":641.834,"body":"nervousness and excitement and that"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":642.374,"endTime":646.964,"body":"kind of sink or swim like attitude"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":642.374,"endTime":646.964,"body":"when I was working in the media."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":646.964,"endTime":650.384,"body":"So doing, you know, commentary and being"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":646.964,"endTime":650.384,"body":"able to work on the commentary for netball"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":650.384,"endTime":654.194,"body":"and doing live TV, I started to go,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":650.384,"endTime":654.194,"body":"oh, I get those same butterflies before"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":654.194,"endTime":659.264,"body":"you go on air and I started to realise"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":654.194,"endTime":659.264,"body":"that was actually why I enjoy doing"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":659.264,"endTime":662.204,"body":"that so much, because it was actually"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":659.264,"endTime":662.204,"body":"similar to being out there playing."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":662.204,"endTime":664.854,"body":"And you still have to prepare,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":662.204,"endTime":664.854,"body":"you still have to spend your week,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":664.874,"endTime":668.174,"body":"like, researching, it's just a"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":664.874,"endTime":668.174,"body":"very different way of doing it."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":668.624,"endTime":671.374,"body":"But yeah, I started to realise, oh,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":668.624,"endTime":671.374,"body":"actually, that's why I like working in"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":671.384,"endTime":675.044,"body":"the media because I like that it scares"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":671.384,"endTime":675.044,"body":"me and that I've got to be prepared"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":675.044,"endTime":676.784,"body":"otherwise I won't perform very well."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":676.784,"endTime":679.604,"body":"And if you don't perform well in"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":676.784,"endTime":679.604,"body":"the media, then there's plenty"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":679.604,"endTime":680.774,"body":"of other people they can use."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":680.774,"endTime":684.884,"body":"So yeah, I really enjoyed that pressure"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":680.774,"endTime":684.884,"body":"that it put on me, it was sort of"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":684.884,"endTime":686.474,"body":"replacing that adrenaline rush."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":687.524,"endTime":690.184,"body":"I want to pick up a bit"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":687.524,"endTime":690.184,"body":"on that, but before I do, I want to"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":690.184,"endTime":694.154,"body":"come back to something you said right"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":690.184,"endTime":694.154,"body":"at the start, which was your desire"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":694.154,"endTime":699.374,"body":"to do a handover in your final year of"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":694.154,"endTime":699.374,"body":"competition and unfortunately, parts of"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":699.434,"endTime":702.224,"body":"your body not being able to allow you"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":699.434,"endTime":702.224,"body":"to do that as well as you would like."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":702.674,"endTime":706.004,"body":"But you also mentioned that you're"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":702.674,"endTime":706.004,"body":"excited for new opportunities, which kind"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":706.004,"endTime":709.764,"body":"of made me realise that you obviously"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":706.004,"endTime":709.764,"body":"had put some planning or organisation"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":709.844,"endTime":711.874,"body":"in place for what was coming next."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":712.394,"endTime":715.914,"body":"Now, is that something you always had"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":712.394,"endTime":715.914,"body":"or was that something that you feel"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":716.064,"endTime":719.064,"body":"just as a part of your personality, or"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":716.064,"endTime":719.064,"body":"was it something that, you know, the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":719.064,"endTime":723.064,"body":"benefit of you having a long career"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":719.064,"endTime":723.064,"body":"was that gave you time to work on that?"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":723.624,"endTime":725.654,"body":"Yeah it's probably"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":723.624,"endTime":725.654,"body":"a combination of everything."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":725.714,"endTime":732.014,"body":"My first coach was a huge mentor of"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":725.714,"endTime":732.014,"body":"mine and still is, but I was 16 when"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":732.014,"endTime":735.284,"body":"I first started playing at the elite"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":732.014,"endTime":735.284,"body":"level and so I was still in school"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":735.284,"endTime":741.884,"body":"doing year 11 and 12, and I had coaches"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":735.284,"endTime":741.884,"body":"and one particular coach, who her name"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":741.884,"endTime":745.064,"body":"was Joyce Brown, and she was retiring"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":741.884,"endTime":745.064,"body":"towards the end of her coaching career."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":745.779,"endTime":750.959,"body":"She was at me about the whole time"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":745.779,"endTime":750.959,"body":"about how important as a female athlete"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":750.989,"endTime":752.969,"body":"it is that you have a career outside."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":752.999,"endTime":756.359,"body":"You can't rely on it, it's probably"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":752.999,"endTime":756.359,"body":"never going to pay you enough money,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":756.749,"endTime":758.099,"body":"you need to have something else."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":758.099,"endTime":762.539,"body":"So while I was doing year 11 and 12,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":758.099,"endTime":762.539,"body":"she was talking to my VCE coordinators"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":762.539,"endTime":766.829,"body":"making sure that, yes, I would train"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":762.539,"endTime":766.829,"body":"hard, yes, I could play on the weekends"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":766.829,"endTime":770.909,"body":"and travel with the team, but only if"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":766.829,"endTime":770.909,"body":"I kept up certain standards at school."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":771.689,"endTime":776.759,"body":"So, at the time I hated that control that"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":771.689,"endTime":776.759,"body":"everyone had on my life, but I actually"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":776.759,"endTime":780.989,"body":"now really appreciate that she just"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":776.759,"endTime":780.989,"body":"instilled that in me, that even if you"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":780.989,"endTime":785.129,"body":"don't know what you want to do, just go"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":780.989,"endTime":785.129,"body":"to uni and do something that you enjoy"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":785.189,"endTime":786.899,"body":"and tick that off so you've got that."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":786.899,"endTime":788.699,"body":"So always have a plan B."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":788.849,"endTime":791.069,"body":"Plan A is being an athlete"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":788.849,"endTime":791.069,"body":"and being the best athlete"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":791.069,"endTime":793.079,"body":"you can be, but have a plan B."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":793.529,"endTime":796.859,"body":"So I think I just was very fortunate"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":793.529,"endTime":796.859,"body":"to have her around me very early."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":796.859,"endTime":801.869,"body":"And so my plan B was I studied human"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":796.859,"endTime":801.869,"body":"movement and secondary teaching at"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":801.869,"endTime":805.169,"body":"school, cause I thought, oh well, I love"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":801.869,"endTime":805.169,"body":"sport, I can always be a PE teacher."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":805.559,"endTime":808.979,"body":"And I did a bit of that part-time while"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":805.559,"endTime":808.979,"body":"I was playing, but that was always"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":808.979,"endTime":811.139,"body":"in my head, that's your backup plan."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":811.139,"endTime":814.649,"body":"If things fail, if something happens"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":811.139,"endTime":814.649,"body":"and you're not an athlete anymore,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":814.649,"endTime":816.179,"body":"you've got that as your backup plan."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":816.179,"endTime":819.709,"body":"And I don't mind the teaching element,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":816.179,"endTime":819.709,"body":"but I was never going to love it and do"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":819.709,"endTime":821.749,"body":"it as a full-time career the whole time."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":821.749,"endTime":826.699,"body":"But I felt that really helped me in"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":821.749,"endTime":826.699,"body":"that no matter what decision I've made"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":826.699,"endTime":830.329,"body":"in my life, and I don't teach now, but"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":826.699,"endTime":830.329,"body":"I work in this freelance kind of world"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":830.329,"endTime":835.069,"body":"of media, sport and in the leadership"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":830.329,"endTime":835.069,"body":"space, in the back of my head, every"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":835.069,"endTime":838.009,"body":"time I take a risk, I'm like, oh well,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":835.069,"endTime":838.009,"body":"I've always got my teaching degree."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":838.009,"endTime":839.989,"body":"Like I can always go back"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":838.009,"endTime":839.989,"body":"and do that and earn money."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":840.529,"endTime":843.859,"body":"And I think that's been really helpful"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":840.529,"endTime":843.859,"body":"in helping me take risks, knowing"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":843.859,"endTime":846.049,"body":"that I have that backup if I need it."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":846.049,"endTime":850.279,"body":"And it wasn't easy to tick it all off,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":846.049,"endTime":850.279,"body":"but netball was a sport that allowed you"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":850.279,"endTime":854.419,"body":"and supported you and made sure that if"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":850.279,"endTime":854.419,"body":"you had commitments, they would find a way"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":854.419,"endTime":856.039,"body":"to try and work with that if they could."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":856.899,"endTime":860.743,"body":"There's a question"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":856.899,"endTime":860.743,"body":"around that I think,  you mentioned"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":860.743,"endTime":865.453,"body":"the female athletes, but also I suppose"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":860.743,"endTime":865.453,"body":"any semi-professional sport as well."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":865.903,"endTime":870.343,"body":"I'm interested in whether being involved"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":865.903,"endTime":870.343,"body":"in one of those sports that's not say a"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":870.343,"endTime":875.113,"body":"football code or one of the large American"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":870.343,"endTime":875.113,"body":"pro sports, for example, you're almost"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":875.413,"endTime":879.118,"body":"forced into, well not forced into it, but"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":875.413,"endTime":879.118,"body":"it's yeah as you mentioned there, Joyce"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":879.118,"endTime":883.003,"body":"Brown encouraged you strongly to have"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":879.118,"endTime":883.003,"body":"those other interests because presumably"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":883.003,"endTime":884.443,"body":"she knew that you were going to need them."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":884.923,"endTime":889.723,"body":"I wonder whether those sports are actually"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":884.923,"endTime":889.723,"body":"better, a sport like netball, is better"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":890.053,"endTime":895.453,"body":"set up for encouraging athletes to"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":890.053,"endTime":895.453,"body":"develop those skillsets for retirement"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":895.453,"endTime":899.323,"body":"or for transitioning to the next stage of"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":895.453,"endTime":899.323,"body":"their career even, than the pro sports."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":899.323,"endTime":902.923,"body":"I mean, I think those pro US sports"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":899.323,"endTime":902.923,"body":"are getting better at it, and I"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":902.923,"endTime":906.013,"body":"think in Australia the AFL, NRL,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":902.923,"endTime":906.013,"body":"are the examples that come to mind."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":906.898,"endTime":910.118,"body":"But, yeah, I wonder whether they're"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":906.898,"endTime":910.118,"body":"better set up for encouraging"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":910.138,"endTime":911.398,"body":"those skills post-retirement."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":911.668,"endTime":915.618,"body":"Yeah, it's a real catch"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":911.668,"endTime":915.618,"body":"22, because I also worked a lot with our"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":915.618,"endTime":920.428,"body":"players association and I really wanted"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":915.618,"endTime":920.428,"body":"to make sure that the sport had better"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":920.428,"endTime":924.118,"body":"conditions around it, better resources"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":920.428,"endTime":924.118,"body":"around it, you know, medical support,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":924.118,"endTime":925.498,"body":"whatever it was, so that we could."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":925.678,"endTime":928.048,"body":"We were training like professional"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":925.678,"endTime":928.048,"body":"athletes, but we didn't have"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":928.048,"endTime":929.788,"body":"the same resources around us."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":930.298,"endTime":932.638,"body":"And even though towards the end of"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":930.298,"endTime":932.638,"body":"my career I'd probably say I was,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":932.638,"endTime":937.198,"body":"professionally, netball was my main"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":932.638,"endTime":937.198,"body":"focus, the thing for me was always that"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":937.498,"endTime":940.318,"body":"we had a blocked out window of time."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":940.318,"endTime":945.118,"body":"So when I was playing, it was between"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":940.318,"endTime":945.118,"body":"10:00 AM and 4:00 PM on a weekday,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":945.328,"endTime":947.158,"body":"we were not allowed to train."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":947.158,"endTime":950.578,"body":"So the players association fought really"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":947.158,"endTime":950.578,"body":"hard to make sure that there was this"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":950.578,"endTime":956.608,"body":"blocked out daytime window so that people"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":950.578,"endTime":956.608,"body":"had the opportunity to go and go to uni"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":956.638,"endTime":962.368,"body":"or go and work or do something and teams"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":956.638,"endTime":962.368,"body":"couldn't hijack that hours of time."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":963.158,"endTime":966.128,"body":"It used to frustrate us because as"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":963.158,"endTime":966.128,"body":"we got more professional and we were"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":966.158,"endTime":969.818,"body":"earning more money and we didn't have"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":966.158,"endTime":969.818,"body":"to do as much outside, we used to"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":969.818,"endTime":973.108,"body":"think, oh, but it's just much easier"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":969.818,"endTime":973.108,"body":"if you're training at 10:00 AM, cause"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":973.108,"endTime":974.448,"body":"then you get the rest of the night off."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":974.498,"endTime":976.808,"body":"But that was something that"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":974.498,"endTime":976.808,"body":"netball have always been very"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":976.808,"endTime":980.858,"body":"strong on and I really get it now,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":976.808,"endTime":980.858,"body":"that that's why it's important."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":980.918,"endTime":985.568,"body":"And I think the times have come in from"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":980.918,"endTime":985.568,"body":"about 10 to 4 to about 10 to 2 now,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":985.838,"endTime":990.158,"body":"but still there's this real emphasis"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":985.838,"endTime":990.158,"body":"on making sure that if you want to do"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":990.158,"endTime":993.338,"body":"something else you can, and there's"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":990.158,"endTime":993.338,"body":"an importance that you really should."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":993.668,"endTime":996.758,"body":"And now there's support around"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":993.668,"endTime":996.758,"body":"players in terms of welfare support"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":996.758,"endTime":999.968,"body":"that encourage girls to understand"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":996.758,"endTime":999.968,"body":"what their passions might be away"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":999.968,"endTime":1001.468,"body":"from actually being an athlete."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1001.768,"endTime":1004.828,"body":"And I think during the hard times, like I"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1001.768,"endTime":1004.828,"body":"was dropped from the Australian team and"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1005.128,"endTime":1008.518,"body":"went through some tough times personally"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1005.128,"endTime":1008.518,"body":"with my career, it wasn't going in the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1008.518,"endTime":1013.918,"body":"direction that I wanted it to, and what"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1008.518,"endTime":1013.918,"body":"I realise now in hindsight was that the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1013.918,"endTime":1018.028,"body":"fact that I had another interest and"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1013.918,"endTime":1018.028,"body":"other things to go and do with my time, it"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1018.028,"endTime":1022.088,"body":"actually helped me heal quicker from the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1018.028,"endTime":1022.088,"body":"disappointment that I was going through"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1022.088,"endTime":1026.458,"body":"in my sport, and allowed me to have"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1022.088,"endTime":1026.458,"body":"just a bit of a different perspective."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1026.458,"endTime":1029.498,"body":"Like knowing that when you go into"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1026.458,"endTime":1029.498,"body":"another workplace or when you go into"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1029.838,"endTime":1033.138,"body":"another world where netball's not the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1029.838,"endTime":1033.138,"body":"main focus, that like no one actually"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1033.138,"endTime":1035.298,"body":"cares, no one cares about being dropped."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1035.348,"endTime":1038.198,"body":"But when you're in that netball world,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1035.348,"endTime":1038.198,"body":"you think everyone's looking at you and"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1038.198,"endTime":1041.918,"body":"everyone's judging you and everyone's like"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1038.198,"endTime":1041.918,"body":"thinking, oh, she must be really upset."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1041.918,"endTime":1045.398,"body":"And yeah, actually that really did"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1041.918,"endTime":1045.398,"body":"help me, having something outside of"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1045.398,"endTime":1049.418,"body":"it along the way, just to get over"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1045.398,"endTime":1049.418,"body":"whatever I was going through and then"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1049.418,"endTime":1050.948,"body":"find the energy to get back into it."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1052.118,"endTime":1053.098,"body":"It's a great story."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1053.248,"endTime":1056.588,"body":"Really illuminating for me, not"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1053.248,"endTime":1056.588,"body":"being an athlete, and I'm sure it"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1056.608,"endTime":1057.838,"body":"will be for the listeners as well."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1058.118,"endTime":1060.298,"body":"You talked about players"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1058.118,"endTime":1060.298,"body":"associations in there."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1060.388,"endTime":1063.418,"body":"I think this is an interesting"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1060.388,"endTime":1063.418,"body":"question, the role that they play."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1063.478,"endTime":1067.948,"body":"They've obviously become more prevalent"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1063.478,"endTime":1067.948,"body":"in most sports and probably more powerful"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1067.948,"endTime":1069.808,"body":"as well, I think, as a general rule."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1070.108,"endTime":1073.558,"body":"But it has interested me as someone"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1070.108,"endTime":1073.558,"body":"that's been involved in some of the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1073.558,"endTime":1078.563,"body":"decision-making in some sports, that"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1073.558,"endTime":1078.563,"body":"sometimes the good intentions, even"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1078.563,"endTime":1081.413,"body":"though they are good intentions,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1078.563,"endTime":1081.413,"body":"actually don't have the desired outcome."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1081.413,"endTime":1084.023,"body":"And you kind of gave"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1081.413,"endTime":1084.023,"body":"somewhat of an example there."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1084.143,"endTime":1087.773,"body":"I think it's quite tricky though,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1084.143,"endTime":1087.773,"body":"in some cases, because increasing"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1087.773,"endTime":1092.463,"body":"revenue in a sport, for example, which"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1087.773,"endTime":1092.463,"body":"often increases maybe sharing data"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1092.463,"endTime":1097.733,"body":"on athletes and things that might be"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1092.463,"endTime":1097.733,"body":"private to them are, not necessarily"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1097.733,"endTime":1101.393,"body":"compatible with things like increasing"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1097.733,"endTime":1101.393,"body":"the health and welfare of the athlete."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1101.843,"endTime":1106.193,"body":"And so, you know, that's a very tricky"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1101.843,"endTime":1106.193,"body":"question to solve, and I'm not sure what"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1106.193,"endTime":1110.423,"body":"I'm asking you here, but yeah, I don't"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1106.193,"endTime":1110.423,"body":"know where that space goes in the future."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1110.423,"endTime":1113.753,"body":"I think probably the best solution is to"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1110.423,"endTime":1113.753,"body":"have as many stakeholders represented in"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1113.753,"endTime":1116.033,"body":"those players associations as possible."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1116.063,"endTime":1117.113,"body":"But do you have a thought on that?"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1118.063,"endTime":1118.693,"body":"You're right."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1118.723,"endTime":1121.153,"body":"There's a really fine balance with it all."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1121.153,"endTime":1125.203,"body":"That, you know, for us it was about,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1121.153,"endTime":1125.203,"body":"you had Netball Australia who are the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1125.253,"endTime":1128.643,"body":"governing body who are trying to run the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1125.253,"endTime":1128.643,"body":"sport and they've only got so much money"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1128.643,"endTime":1132.753,"body":"to give, and then you'd have all of the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1128.643,"endTime":1132.753,"body":"teams who had their own interests as"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1132.753,"endTime":1134.163,"body":"well, and then you'd have the players."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1134.649,"endTime":1137.254,"body":"One thing that I realised though,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1134.649,"endTime":1137.254,"body":"is that a lot of the time the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1137.254,"endTime":1139.564,"body":"money was like the side factor."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1139.564,"endTime":1143.044,"body":"Yeah, of course we'd love more money,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1139.564,"endTime":1143.044,"body":"but if it's not there, it's not there."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1143.044,"endTime":1144.364,"body":"There's not much you can fight over."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1144.784,"endTime":1149.134,"body":"But what really we tried to encourage"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1144.784,"endTime":1149.134,"body":"- the older players were the ones that kind"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1149.134,"endTime":1152.194,"body":"of got me involved and I realised the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1149.134,"endTime":1152.194,"body":"impact that they had had - was sitting"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1152.194,"endTime":1157.594,"body":"around a table with the CEOs of all"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1152.194,"endTime":1157.594,"body":"the clubs and the head honchos of the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1157.594,"endTime":1162.484,"body":"governing body, actually giving them the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1157.594,"endTime":1162.484,"body":"understanding of what it's like on the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1162.484,"endTime":1167.074,"body":"road and what it's like for the youngest"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1162.484,"endTime":1167.074,"body":"player in the team compared to the oldest"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1167.074,"endTime":1170.824,"body":"player who might be financially quite"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1167.074,"endTime":1170.824,"body":"stable, but the youngest player in the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1170.824,"endTime":1175.474,"body":"team who might only be earning $10,000"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1170.824,"endTime":1175.474,"body":"a year, and they've still got to do the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1175.474,"endTime":1178.654,"body":"same hours and the same amount of time"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1175.474,"endTime":1178.654,"body":"they can't afford if they don't have a"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1178.654,"endTime":1182.254,"body":"sponsor, they can't afford to be buying,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1178.654,"endTime":1182.254,"body":"you know, runners and equipment to play."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1182.254,"endTime":1185.944,"body":"And it was about more making sure"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1182.254,"endTime":1185.944,"body":"that everyone understood what it"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1185.944,"endTime":1189.214,"body":"was like for the teams and for the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1185.944,"endTime":1189.214,"body":"players involved in the teams, cause"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1189.244,"endTime":1192.514,"body":"the CEOs aren't travelling with you,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1189.244,"endTime":1192.514,"body":"they're not on the road, and so a lot"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1192.514,"endTime":1193.984,"body":"of the time that just gets missed."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1194.014,"endTime":1197.104,"body":"Not deliberately, a lot of the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1194.014,"endTime":1197.104,"body":"time it's just because it's"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1197.104,"endTime":1198.424,"body":"not part of their day to day."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1198.424,"endTime":1202.264,"body":"So that's what I found was the best"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1198.424,"endTime":1202.264,"body":"place that we could play as players"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1202.264,"endTime":1205.204,"body":"in that players association was having"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1202.264,"endTime":1205.204,"body":"a voice at the table and getting"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1205.204,"endTime":1208.384,"body":"people to understand the conditions"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1205.204,"endTime":1208.384,"body":"we were in and what we needed."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1208.434,"endTime":1212.334,"body":"I mean, when I first started, if"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1208.434,"endTime":1212.334,"body":"you needed an MRI on an injury, you"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1212.334,"endTime":1213.654,"body":"would have to pay for that yourself."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1213.754,"endTime":1216.904,"body":"And it was the team physios deciding,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1213.754,"endTime":1216.904,"body":"oh, you better go and have an MRI"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1216.904,"endTime":1218.224,"body":"to see if you can play this week."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1218.374,"endTime":1222.394,"body":"And you were thinking, oh, that's"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1218.374,"endTime":1222.394,"body":"$350 that I've got to come up with."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1223.114,"endTime":1225.364,"body":"And so, you know, it was things"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1223.114,"endTime":1225.364,"body":"like that, that we eventually got"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1225.364,"endTime":1227.064,"body":"covered and that all got paid for."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1227.064,"endTime":1230.764,"body":"And they were huge wins for"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1227.064,"endTime":1230.764,"body":"us - far, far more than earning"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1230.764,"endTime":1231.934,"body":"more money playing the game."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1233.484,"endTime":1235.834,"body":"That's a great example,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1233.484,"endTime":1235.834,"body":"and of course there's all sorts of things"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1235.834,"endTime":1239.024,"body":"that are running through your head at"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1235.834,"endTime":1239.024,"body":"the time, like do I really need this MRI?"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1239.024,"endTime":1240.374,"body":"And how important is it to have?"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1241.074,"endTime":1245.324,"body":"Obviously having to not having to worry"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1241.074,"endTime":1245.324,"body":"about that is a big load off and I'm sure"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1245.324,"endTime":1248.624,"body":"if I gave you time, there'd be 50 examples"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1245.324,"endTime":1248.624,"body":"like that, that you could come up with."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1248.744,"endTime":1252.214,"body":"Yeah even one I"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1248.744,"endTime":1252.214,"body":"remember, this was before my time but"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1252.214,"endTime":1255.664,"body":"the older girls told me, they used to"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1252.214,"endTime":1255.664,"body":"when they travel on a weekend to play,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1256.054,"endTime":1259.924,"body":"they might be going from Melbourne to"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1256.054,"endTime":1259.924,"body":"Sydney, they would take a microwave"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1259.924,"endTime":1263.194,"body":"on the plane with them so that they"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1259.924,"endTime":1263.194,"body":"could heat up food when they got to"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1263.194,"endTime":1266.974,"body":"the hotel, because they weren't getting"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1263.194,"endTime":1266.974,"body":"enough money for lunch and they thought"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1266.974,"endTime":1268.564,"body":"that's a way they can all save money."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1268.564,"endTime":1272.104,"body":"And I was mortified because we didn't"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1268.564,"endTime":1272.104,"body":"have those conditions when I was playing."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1272.104,"endTime":1276.304,"body":"But to see how far that had come"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1272.104,"endTime":1276.304,"body":"by the time I'd finished the game,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1276.634,"endTime":1278.224,"body":"you know, it was quite remarkable."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1278.284,"endTime":1280.324,"body":"And they're the little wins, I"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1278.284,"endTime":1280.324,"body":"think, along the way that you"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1280.324,"endTime":1282.664,"body":"think, oh, well, you know, we've"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1280.324,"endTime":1282.664,"body":"come a long way as a sport."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1282.664,"endTime":1285.124,"body":"We might not be completely there,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1282.664,"endTime":1285.124,"body":"but we've certainly come a long way."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1286.084,"endTime":1287.764,"body":"And long may"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1286.084,"endTime":1287.764,"body":"it continue and improve!"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1288.624,"endTime":1289.064,"body":"Exactly!"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1289.084,"endTime":1292.484,"body":"So just coming back"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1289.084,"endTime":1292.484,"body":"to some of the strategies that you've"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1292.634,"endTime":1296.204,"body":"put in place yourself or you've seen,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1292.634,"endTime":1296.204,"body":"now you've talked about a few of them"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1296.204,"endTime":1300.614,"body":"already just as we've been conversing,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1296.204,"endTime":1300.614,"body":"but I'm keen for you to really highlight"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1300.614,"endTime":1304.874,"body":"the ones that you've seen work well for"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1300.614,"endTime":1304.874,"body":"yourself and also maybe others as well."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1304.874,"endTime":1307.854,"body":"And you talked about studying as"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1304.874,"endTime":1307.854,"body":"well and having multiple options."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1308.274,"endTime":1312.624,"body":"I mean, your post-career portfolio of"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1308.274,"endTime":1312.624,"body":"activities is as diverse as it comes."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1313.174,"endTime":1317.304,"body":"Authorship, media, keynote"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1313.174,"endTime":1317.304,"body":"speaking, TV star as well."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1317.394,"endTime":1321.204,"body":"How much of that was planned versus"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1317.394,"endTime":1321.204,"body":"good networking, serendipity?"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1321.518,"endTime":1324.958,"body":"I think for me, as an"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1321.518,"endTime":1324.958,"body":"athlete, pretty quickly you learn that"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1326.128,"endTime":1330.618,"body":"failure actually happens quite often,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1326.128,"endTime":1330.618,"body":"and that things don't necessarily always"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1330.618,"endTime":1334.638,"body":"go your way, you know, injuries happen"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1330.618,"endTime":1334.638,"body":"and you've got to get yourself back up."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1334.638,"endTime":1340.038,"body":"So I think that taking a risk attitude"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1334.638,"endTime":1340.038,"body":"is really important for athletes,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1340.038,"endTime":1344.058,"body":"especially once they do start to finish,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1340.038,"endTime":1344.058,"body":"in that it's okay to try different"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1344.058,"endTime":1346.008,"body":"things and see what might suit you."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1346.008,"endTime":1347.778,"body":"And if it doesn't suit"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1346.008,"endTime":1347.778,"body":"you that's okay too."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1347.778,"endTime":1349.398,"body":"Or you're not good at it, that's okay too."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1350.163,"endTime":1353.883,"body":"Because we are used to that rollercoaster"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1350.163,"endTime":1353.883,"body":"ride and, I'm going to say normal"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1353.883,"endTime":1358.433,"body":"people but referring to not athletes,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1353.883,"endTime":1358.433,"body":"that's a lot harder to come by."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1358.913,"endTime":1363.233,"body":"And the networking element I think was"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1358.913,"endTime":1363.233,"body":"really important, but also just being"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1363.233,"endTime":1367.553,"body":"able to see for me what past athletes had"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1363.233,"endTime":1367.553,"body":"been able to do, what past netballers did."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1367.583,"endTime":1371.333,"body":"There was just this entrepreneurial"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1367.583,"endTime":1371.333,"body":"spirit, I think, amongst female"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1371.333,"endTime":1373.373,"body":"athletes, and that's what I could see."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1373.373,"endTime":1375.443,"body":"They would do multiple different things."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1375.863,"endTime":1378.473,"body":"And one year they'd be doing this,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1375.863,"endTime":1378.473,"body":"the next year they'd be doing"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1378.473,"endTime":1380.543,"body":"this, and that was okay for them."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1380.543,"endTime":1385.133,"body":"And because I could see that, then in"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1380.543,"endTime":1385.133,"body":"my own head I started to plan that too,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1385.133,"endTime":1388.643,"body":"just thinking, okay, well, I'll just have"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1385.133,"endTime":1388.643,"body":"a go at this and see if I'm good at it."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1389.423,"endTime":1392.933,"body":"And so I guess I had this attitude"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1389.423,"endTime":1392.933,"body":"where I just have a go at things"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1393.053,"endTime":1395.573,"body":"and I don't know where that really"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1393.053,"endTime":1395.573,"body":"came from other than just seeing"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1395.573,"endTime":1397.083,"body":"other people do that before me."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1397.563,"endTime":1401.433,"body":"I also think a lot of it was a bit"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1397.563,"endTime":1401.433,"body":"serendipitous as well in that being"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1401.433,"endTime":1405.123,"body":"able to have a go at things, I'd"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1401.433,"endTime":1405.123,"body":"always, I knew what I loved and I"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1405.123,"endTime":1407.073,"body":"knew I wanted to follow what I loved."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1407.433,"endTime":1411.633,"body":"And during my sporting career, it was"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1407.433,"endTime":1411.633,"body":"in a number of leadership positions."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1411.663,"endTime":1417.033,"body":"And I just felt this burning desire"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1411.663,"endTime":1417.033,"body":"inside that I just loved having that"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1417.033,"endTime":1421.683,"body":"pressure on me and being able to make a"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1417.033,"endTime":1421.683,"body":"difference in a younger person's life."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1421.773,"endTime":1426.153,"body":"And I had a lot of people around me who"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1421.773,"endTime":1426.153,"body":"were saying that you've got to follow"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1426.153,"endTime":1428.043,"body":"what you actually feel good doing."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1428.163,"endTime":1431.223,"body":"Don't feel like you have to go back"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1428.163,"endTime":1431.223,"body":"into teaching as soon as you retire"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1431.233,"endTime":1434.043,"body":"because that's what you know and"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1431.233,"endTime":1434.043,"body":"that's what you're qualified to do."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1434.583,"endTime":1437.493,"body":"And so, again, it was the network of"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1434.583,"endTime":1437.493,"body":"people in that support group around"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1437.493,"endTime":1439.383,"body":"me that really did keep me going."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1439.383,"endTime":1441.273,"body":"And I'm not going to,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1439.383,"endTime":1441.273,"body":"nothing was ever perfect."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1441.273,"endTime":1443.703,"body":"I certainly made many"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1441.273,"endTime":1443.703,"body":"mistakes along the way."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1443.703,"endTime":1447.633,"body":"And probably, I went into commentary"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1443.703,"endTime":1447.633,"body":"the first year out because someone"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1447.633,"endTime":1450.153,"body":"asked me to have a go at it"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1447.633,"endTime":1450.153,"body":"and I was like, oh yeah, sure."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1450.663,"endTime":1455.313,"body":"And I realised how overwhelming that was"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1450.663,"endTime":1455.313,"body":"to then go from being the athlete where"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1455.313,"endTime":1458.343,"body":"you've got to worry about one game a"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1455.313,"endTime":1458.343,"body":"week to try and talking about the game"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1458.343,"endTime":1459.753,"body":"where you've got to watch every game."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1459.783,"endTime":1463.473,"body":"I was watching more netball than I'd"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1459.783,"endTime":1463.473,"body":"ever watched in my life and I hated it."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1464.103,"endTime":1466.653,"body":"And then I was traveling all"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1464.103,"endTime":1466.653,"body":"weekend as well, because that's"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1466.653,"endTime":1468.033,"body":"what you have to do as commentators."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1468.033,"endTime":1469.713,"body":"You're not just in your own home state."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1470.173,"endTime":1472.213,"body":"I said yes to that way too quickly."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1472.213,"endTime":1476.113,"body":"And as much as I had an enjoyment"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1472.213,"endTime":1476.113,"body":"for it, I was so over it, it really"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1476.113,"endTime":1478.363,"body":"made me just not love the sport."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1479.563,"endTime":1482.323,"body":"And so I had a couple of years"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1479.563,"endTime":1482.323,"body":"off that because it really wasn't"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1482.323,"endTime":1484.393,"body":"serving me how I wanted to."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1484.393,"endTime":1487.523,"body":"I wanted to get myself a life away"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1484.393,"endTime":1487.523,"body":"from being an athlete and not just"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1487.543,"endTime":1488.923,"body":"spend my time at the courts again."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1489.283,"endTime":1491.653,"body":"So I think it's a combination"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1489.283,"endTime":1491.653,"body":"of everything that you said."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1491.683,"endTime":1495.553,"body":"It's the network, it's also"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1491.683,"endTime":1495.553,"body":"sort of planning, but also being"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1495.553,"endTime":1498.463,"body":"okay if things didn't happen"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1495.553,"endTime":1498.463,"body":"the way I thought they would."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1498.463,"endTime":1501.943,"body":"And having that team of support people"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1498.463,"endTime":1501.943,"body":"around you, that when things weren't going"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1501.943,"endTime":1505.993,"body":"okay, I was okay being a bit vulnerable"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1501.943,"endTime":1505.993,"body":"about it too, that I was a bit lost."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1505.993,"endTime":1508.663,"body":"And I certainly wouldn't do that"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1505.993,"endTime":1508.663,"body":"with everyone who would know me, but"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1508.663,"endTime":1512.413,"body":"I would do it with certain people"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1508.663,"endTime":1512.413,"body":"where they could pick me up like"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1512.413,"endTime":1513.703,"body":"they did when I was an athlete too."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1513.703,"endTime":1517.333,"body":"They could kind of pick me up, help"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1513.703,"endTime":1517.333,"body":"me get back on my pathway, but it's"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1517.333,"endTime":1520.933,"body":"really hard to do it on your own without"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1517.333,"endTime":1520.933,"body":"people around you that understand"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1520.933,"endTime":1524.803,"body":"you and that you're probably willing"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1520.933,"endTime":1524.803,"body":"to let in to know who you really are"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1524.803,"endTime":1526.363,"body":"and how you're feeling about things."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1526.393,"endTime":1529.013,"body":"But I still feel like I'm on that"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1526.393,"endTime":1529.013,"body":"journey and adventure and I've"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1529.073,"endTime":1530.503,"body":"been retired for six years  now."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1530.503,"endTime":1534.863,"body":"And that I'm finding my way, try"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1530.503,"endTime":1534.863,"body":"something, might not work, figure"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1534.883,"endTime":1536.593,"body":"out how I can try something else."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1536.953,"endTime":1540.313,"body":"And my backup, that plan B of like,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1536.953,"endTime":1540.313,"body":"well I can always go back to teaching"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1540.313,"endTime":1544.093,"body":"and get a full-time job and, you know,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1540.313,"endTime":1544.093,"body":"have a career that way is probably"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1544.093,"endTime":1546.613,"body":"what helps me take those little risks."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1546.933,"endTime":1548.963,"body":"A long way from a"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1546.933,"endTime":1548.963,"body":"psychologist, but the thing that you"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1548.963,"endTime":1552.593,"body":"said at the end there, to me sounds"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1548.963,"endTime":1552.593,"body":"like very sensible advice in terms of"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1552.593,"endTime":1556.043,"body":"not seeing it as a beginning and end,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1552.593,"endTime":1556.043,"body":"it's just a continuation of your journey"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1556.043,"endTime":1558.773,"body":"and you're still involved in things,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1556.043,"endTime":1558.773,"body":"it's just in a different way than"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1558.773,"endTime":1560.123,"body":"you were when you were on the court."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1561.233,"endTime":1566.453,"body":"It's interesting in that respect, because"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1561.233,"endTime":1566.453,"body":"I know I see when I speak to some really"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1566.453,"endTime":1569.963,"body":"young athletes, the, you will have"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1566.453,"endTime":1569.963,"body":"seen this yourself I'm sure, they're"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1570.263,"endTime":1574.493,"body":"100% committed to either being drafted"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1570.263,"endTime":1574.493,"body":"into a sport or getting professional"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1574.493,"endTime":1579.563,"body":"contract, and I think if you ask them"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1574.493,"endTime":1579.563,"body":"at that stage, and I'm talking about a"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1579.563,"endTime":1583.398,"body":"16 year old athlete, like you were when"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1579.563,"endTime":1583.398,"body":"you started, if you ask them to even"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1583.398,"endTime":1587.478,"body":"think about the notion of preparing"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1583.398,"endTime":1587.478,"body":"or at least doing something to think"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1587.478,"endTime":1592.408,"body":"about their post-career time, they'd"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1587.478,"endTime":1592.408,"body":"look at you very strangely, I'm sure."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1592.878,"endTime":1596.058,"body":"So it is an interesting psychological"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1592.878,"endTime":1596.058,"body":"experiment, I suppose about when"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1596.058,"endTime":1599.258,"body":"do you start thinking about that or"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1596.058,"endTime":1599.258,"body":"even consciously planning for it,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1599.798,"endTime":1601.178,"body":"what does that do to your psyche?"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1601.178,"endTime":1605.228,"body":"Particularly in those sports that"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1601.178,"endTime":1605.228,"body":"require, you know, just massive amounts."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1605.228,"endTime":1607.598,"body":"And I'm thinking about probably some"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1605.228,"endTime":1607.598,"body":"of the endurance sports here, where"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1607.648,"endTime":1610.438,"body":"the very notion of thinking about"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1607.648,"endTime":1610.438,"body":"something other than training could"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1610.438,"endTime":1613.478,"body":"be seen as, you psychologically"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1610.438,"endTime":1613.478,"body":"having one step out the door."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1613.538,"endTime":1615.818,"body":"It's an interesting question, I think,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1613.538,"endTime":1615.818,"body":"and I don't know the answer to it."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1616.498,"endTime":1619.408,"body":"Well, yeah, I would go"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1616.498,"endTime":1619.408,"body":"through moments like that too, where you"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1619.438,"endTime":1624.598,"body":"feel like you are not doing your sport or"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1619.438,"endTime":1624.598,"body":"your athlete life justice, because you are"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1624.598,"endTime":1628.348,"body":"focusing on something else and everyone"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1624.598,"endTime":1628.348,"body":"tells you, you gotta be a hundred percent"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1628.348,"endTime":1630.148,"body":"in mentally, physically, emotionally."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1631.058,"endTime":1634.048,"body":"And yeah, you do feel"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1631.058,"endTime":1634.048,"body":"guilty when you are not."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1634.048,"endTime":1636.278,"body":"Oh, I'm not training, I'm not"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1634.048,"endTime":1636.278,"body":"recovering, I'm not stretching."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1636.308,"endTime":1637.428,"body":"You do feel like that."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1637.428,"endTime":1640.938,"body":"And I think I'm seeing, even in my"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1637.428,"endTime":1640.938,"body":"sport, I'm seeing it, it's getting"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1640.938,"endTime":1645.018,"body":"harder and harder for the girls to have"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1640.938,"endTime":1645.018,"body":"the time to set aside for other things."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1645.318,"endTime":1648.858,"body":"And especially if you're, and I did go"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1645.318,"endTime":1648.858,"body":"through this stage too in my career,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1648.858,"endTime":1652.608,"body":"where if you're a fringe player or"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1648.858,"endTime":1652.608,"body":"you're a fringe athlete, you know, you"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1652.608,"endTime":1657.528,"body":"might make a team or you're right on"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1652.608,"endTime":1657.528,"body":"that edge of making it or not, that's"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1657.528,"endTime":1661.458,"body":"the time where you're so desperate"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1657.528,"endTime":1661.458,"body":"to get in and you'll do anything."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1661.458,"endTime":1666.288,"body":"You don't have the mental capacity to"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1661.458,"endTime":1666.288,"body":"be doing a lot outside of athlete life."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1666.288,"endTime":1669.338,"body":"It probably would help you if you"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1666.288,"endTime":1669.338,"body":"could do it, but you don't and you"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1669.338,"endTime":1671.198,"body":"need to be a hundred percent in."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1671.258,"endTime":1674.588,"body":"And I think that's the hardest"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1671.258,"endTime":1674.588,"body":"place to be in when you're in"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1674.588,"endTime":1675.938,"body":"that kind of middle ground."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1676.358,"endTime":1680.378,"body":"If you are the most dominant and"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1676.358,"endTime":1680.378,"body":"the best player in your sport, and"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1680.388,"endTime":1684.708,"body":"team selection is never a question"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1680.388,"endTime":1684.708,"body":"for you, that was never me, but if"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1684.708,"endTime":1688.803,"body":"you're like that, I feel like that's"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1684.708,"endTime":1688.803,"body":"where you can relax a little bit."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1688.833,"endTime":1692.073,"body":"You're not relaxing in terms of your"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1688.833,"endTime":1692.073,"body":"training and your performance, but you"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1692.073,"endTime":1695.823,"body":"can have a look around and you have"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1692.073,"endTime":1695.823,"body":"opportunities being thrown at you."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1696.363,"endTime":1699.693,"body":"But it's yeah, those are middle"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1696.363,"endTime":1699.693,"body":"athletes I think that really, really"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1699.693,"endTime":1702.093,"body":"do struggle to find that balance."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1702.123,"endTime":1705.153,"body":"And I don't even know what the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1702.123,"endTime":1705.153,"body":"answer is, to be honest, about"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1705.153,"endTime":1707.103,"body":"how you navigate that space."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1707.339,"endTime":1710.639,"body":"I mean, I had no choice financially"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1707.339,"endTime":1710.639,"body":"cause I had to try and earn money,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1710.639,"endTime":1715.419,"body":"but I think I started to realise that,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1710.639,"endTime":1715.419,"body":"oh, when I'm in this world, actually"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1715.419,"endTime":1719.199,"body":"people don't really care about the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1715.419,"endTime":1719.199,"body":"sport as much and you can kind of relax"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1719.199,"endTime":1721.029,"body":"a little bit to get yourself back in."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1721.029,"endTime":1725.799,"body":"But yeah, it was only certain times that I"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1721.029,"endTime":1725.799,"body":"had that luxury of feeling okay about it."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1725.799,"endTime":1729.759,"body":"But yeah, it's a really tough one and"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1725.799,"endTime":1729.759,"body":"especially individual sports, I think"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1729.759,"endTime":1735.219,"body":"that's even another layer of difficulty"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1729.759,"endTime":1735.219,"body":"in trying to have that balance and that"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1735.219,"endTime":1738.899,"body":"time, because you can't necessarily"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1735.219,"endTime":1738.899,"body":"afford it if your sport needs you to"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1738.899,"endTime":1743.079,"body":"train six hours, seven hours a day,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1738.899,"endTime":1743.079,"body":"You just want to be asleep, no doubt,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1743.079,"endTime":1746.609,"body":"recovering, whenever you've got that"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1743.079,"endTime":1746.609,"body":"time, not, you know, trying to study."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1746.609,"endTime":1750.219,"body":"But I guess then the focus becomes the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1746.609,"endTime":1750.219,"body":"networks that you can build with the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1750.219,"endTime":1753.819,"body":"people that you have around you and the"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1750.219,"endTime":1753.819,"body":"people that potentially sponsor your"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1753.979,"endTime":1758.759,"body":"sport, or, you know, having a business"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1753.979,"endTime":1758.759,"body":"mentor maybe, that's not necessarily"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1758.759,"endTime":1761.999,"body":"in your face right now, but giving you"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1758.759,"endTime":1761.999,"body":"the opportunity to just chat about what"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1761.999,"endTime":1765.959,"body":"you might want to do when you do finish"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1761.999,"endTime":1765.959,"body":"and maybe planting the seed about, you"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1765.959,"endTime":1767.819,"body":"know, some work experience you could do."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1767.969,"endTime":1770.819,"body":"Maybe the studying is a bit too"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1767.969,"endTime":1770.819,"body":"overwhelming for some people."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1771.179,"endTime":1775.619,"body":"And as we know, like, yes, degrees are"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1771.179,"endTime":1775.619,"body":"really important, but there's also so"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1775.619,"endTime":1779.239,"body":"many other avenues people can take to in"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1775.619,"endTime":1779.239,"body":"terms of setting up careers post-sport."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1779.829,"endTime":1782.509,"body":"We talk about this ad"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1779.829,"endTime":1782.509,"body":"nauseum on the show and listeners probably"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1782.509,"endTime":1786.549,"body":"get sick of it, but I constantly am"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1782.509,"endTime":1786.549,"body":"reminded of the differences between sport."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1786.579,"endTime":1790.659,"body":"I think we sometimes lump athletes"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1786.579,"endTime":1790.659,"body":"all in as athletes, that irrespective"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1790.659,"endTime":1793.809,"body":"of the sport, but I'm constantly"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1790.659,"endTime":1793.809,"body":"reminded as to how different it is."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1793.809,"endTime":1797.649,"body":"And the example you gave then, you"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1793.809,"endTime":1797.649,"body":"know, of a coach, I was thinking of"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1797.649,"endTime":1802.689,"body":"a coach and how diverse their skill"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1797.649,"endTime":1802.689,"body":"sets need to be, to be able to relate"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1802.689,"endTime":1803.769,"body":"to all those different athletes."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1803.769,"endTime":1807.159,"body":"You know, the well-entrenched senior"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1803.769,"endTime":1807.159,"body":"athlete versus the fringe one."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1807.219,"endTime":1810.399,"body":"But then you mentioned the individual"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1807.219,"endTime":1810.399,"body":"sport where it's, as you mentioned,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1810.609,"endTime":1813.009,"body":"they may not have any time at all,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1810.609,"endTime":1813.009,"body":"but they may have the ability to have"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1813.009,"endTime":1816.969,"body":"a single contact point with a coach,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1813.009,"endTime":1816.969,"body":"which can be good and bad as we know."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1817.629,"endTime":1821.169,"body":"Now, just before I let you go, I"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1817.629,"endTime":1821.169,"body":"wanted to ask you one more question"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1821.229,"endTime":1826.059,"body":"just around the future of this area,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1821.229,"endTime":1826.059,"body":"and I suppose the responsibility of"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1826.059,"endTime":1827.589,"body":"helping athletes transition as well."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1828.229,"endTime":1832.199,"body":"I think, as a general rule, sports"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1828.229,"endTime":1832.199,"body":"have a better understanding of the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1832.199,"endTime":1835.439,"body":"athlete in that kind of socio-cultural"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1832.199,"endTime":1835.439,"body":"element of it, the influence that"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1835.439,"endTime":1839.039,"body":"their family, their partners, their"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1835.439,"endTime":1839.039,"body":"friends have on them and just what"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1839.039,"endTime":1840.569,"body":"they're doing outside of competition."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1841.019,"endTime":1844.109,"body":"And that's partly because we've just"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1841.019,"endTime":1844.109,"body":"got better, but they can probably"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1844.109,"endTime":1847.479,"body":"measure what the athlete's doing"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1844.109,"endTime":1847.479,"body":"at 24 hours a day, seven days a"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1847.479,"endTime":1848.649,"body":"week, a little bit better as well."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1848.979,"endTime":1850.329,"body":"Where's the responsibility lie?"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1850.359,"endTime":1853.869,"body":"I think you'll probably say it's a"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1850.359,"endTime":1853.869,"body":"joint responsibility of everyone, but"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1854.079,"endTime":1855.669,"body":"you know, what could be done better?"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1855.759,"endTime":1857.049,"body":"Where do you hope this goes?"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1857.686,"endTime":1861.876,"body":"We're seeing organisations largely"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1857.686,"endTime":1861.876,"body":"get better at, career planning,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1861.876,"endTime":1863.556,"body":"athlete, transition programs."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1863.556,"endTime":1866.286,"body":"The IOC has a very high profile one now."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1866.316,"endTime":1868.986,"body":"We've already talked about the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1866.316,"endTime":1868.986,"body":"players associations as well."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1869.376,"endTime":1873.186,"body":"What would you do again, maybe yourself"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1869.376,"endTime":1873.186,"body":"even, if you had your time over again?"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":1873.306,"endTime":1874.506,"body":"There's a few questions in all that."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1875.426,"endTime":1877.076,"body":"Well, yes there is."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1877.076,"endTime":1880.286,"body":"And I think what's really important"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1877.076,"endTime":1880.286,"body":"that the sporting bodies, whether"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1880.286,"endTime":1884.306,"body":"they're Olympic sports, whether they're"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1880.286,"endTime":1884.306,"body":"Commonwealth Games sports, doesn't"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1884.306,"endTime":1888.146,"body":"matter what, I think the sporting"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1884.306,"endTime":1888.146,"body":"bodies, it's their responsibility that"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1888.146,"endTime":1892.646,"body":"if you have medical support team around"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1888.146,"endTime":1892.646,"body":"athletes, that you also have to have"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1892.646,"endTime":1894.596,"body":"a wellbeing support around athletes."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1894.806,"endTime":1898.556,"body":"I think it's getting to the stage, I"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1894.806,"endTime":1898.556,"body":"know in my sport and a lot of other"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1898.556,"endTime":1903.596,"body":"female sports, the welfare or wellbeing"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1898.556,"endTime":1903.596,"body":"person has been, you know, part-time or"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1903.596,"endTime":1908.466,"body":"a couple of hours a week and that's now"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1903.596,"endTime":1908.466,"body":"becoming more of a full time option."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1908.826,"endTime":1912.636,"body":"And whether it's the players association"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1908.826,"endTime":1912.636,"body":"or the sporting body that provide that,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1912.636,"endTime":1916.446,"body":"I think it's really important that"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1912.636,"endTime":1916.446,"body":"there is someone there for the athletes."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1916.626,"endTime":1919.626,"body":"And probably the next layer to that,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1916.626,"endTime":1919.626,"body":"it's really important that that"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1919.626,"endTime":1924.246,"body":"person is separate from the coaching"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1919.626,"endTime":1924.246,"body":"staff and the people that are really"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1924.276,"endTime":1926.036,"body":"directly involved in your performance."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1926.036,"endTime":1929.816,"body":"Because, you know, we had a wellbeing"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1926.036,"endTime":1929.816,"body":"person with us, with the Australian"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1929.816,"endTime":1934.346,"body":"netball team, and I didn't even"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1929.816,"endTime":1934.346,"body":"feel confident enough to tell her"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1934.586,"endTime":1936.266,"body":"that I was thinking of retiring."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1936.566,"endTime":1942.176,"body":"I bottled it all up and kept it a secret"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1936.566,"endTime":1942.176,"body":"myself, because I didn't trust that she"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1942.176,"endTime":1946.436,"body":"wouldn't tell the coach, and that then"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1942.176,"endTime":1946.436,"body":"the coach wouldn't like look to the future"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1946.436,"endTime":1948.176,"body":"because she knew I was going anyway."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1948.356,"endTime":1951.136,"body":"And even though that was my brain"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1948.356,"endTime":1951.136,"body":"irrationally, probably, putting"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1951.366,"endTime":1954.926,"body":"everything together, deciding what"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1951.366,"endTime":1954.926,"body":"the outcome was going to be, I"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1954.926,"endTime":1956.456,"body":"really just didn't feel comfortable."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1956.456,"endTime":1957.836,"body":"I didn't have that trust."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1957.836,"endTime":1961.496,"body":"And I think the wellbeing person that"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1957.836,"endTime":1961.496,"body":"is around, and I'm great friends with"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1961.496,"endTime":1964.796,"body":"her now, it was just the situation"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1961.496,"endTime":1964.796,"body":"at the time, because it was a new"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1964.796,"endTime":1966.536,"body":"thing for us to have them around us."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1966.956,"endTime":1970.066,"body":"And I think that's a really important"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1966.956,"endTime":1970.066,"body":"part of it all now is that, yes,"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1970.066,"endTime":1973.616,"body":"they're a part of the team, but they sit"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1970.066,"endTime":1973.616,"body":"separate and there's a confidentiality"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1973.616,"endTime":1977.336,"body":"like you can have with a doctor around"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1973.616,"endTime":1977.336,"body":"what they're allowed to share and not."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1977.336,"endTime":1980.156,"body":"Cause I was very much like, if I had"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1977.336,"endTime":1980.156,"body":"have been able to share that with"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1980.156,"endTime":1983.996,"body":"someone and be able to talk through"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1980.156,"endTime":1983.996,"body":"things, you know, potentially I could"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1983.996,"endTime":1985.106,"body":"have handled it differently too."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1985.856,"endTime":1989.036,"body":"But I really think that's important"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1985.856,"endTime":1989.036,"body":"for every athlete to have a wellbeing"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1989.036,"endTime":1992.126,"body":"person that they can build a"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1989.036,"endTime":1992.126,"body":"relationship over their career and"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1992.126,"endTime":1993.656,"body":"have that real trust with them."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1993.926,"endTime":1997.106,"body":"And I know most sports have someone in"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1993.926,"endTime":1997.106,"body":"place now, but I think it's important"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1997.106,"endTime":2000.466,"body":"that they're always just as much as a"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":1997.106,"endTime":2000.466,"body":"priority as what a physio and what a"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":2000.466,"endTime":2005.176,"body":"doctor is, because we know athletes'"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":2000.466,"endTime":2005.176,"body":"mental health, we're seeing more of it"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":2005.176,"endTime":2009.376,"body":"now and more honesty and vulnerability"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":2005.176,"endTime":2009.376,"body":"from athletes, and I think that's just"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":2009.376,"endTime":2014.296,"body":"so important for our mental health"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":2009.376,"endTime":2014.296,"body":"is that we have that layer of support"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":2014.296,"endTime":2017.896,"body":"that's around us that's separate"},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":2014.296,"endTime":2017.896,"body":"from your performance as an athlete."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2018.426,"endTime":2020.636,"body":"It's a nice"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2018.426,"endTime":2020.636,"body":"recommendation to finish."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2020.636,"endTime":2023.676,"body":"And hopefully any sports that"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2020.636,"endTime":2023.676,"body":"aren't doing that already can hear"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2023.676,"endTime":2025.456,"body":"this and maybe take that on board."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2025.806,"endTime":2027.686,"body":"Bianca Chatfield, thanks"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2025.806,"endTime":2027.686,"body":"so much for joining us."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2027.696,"endTime":2028.476,"body":"It's been a real pleasure."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":2028.956,"endTime":2029.796,"body":"No worries at all."},{"speaker":"Bianca Chatfield","startTime":2029.796,"endTime":2031.686,"body":"It's been a bit of fun reliving it all."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2032.376,"endTime":2038.786,"body":"Our next"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2032.376,"endTime":2038.786,"body":"guest is Matti Clements."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2039.086,"endTime":2042.046,"body":"Matti is currently the Director of"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2039.086,"endTime":2042.046,"body":"People Development and Wellbeing at"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2042.046,"endTime":2043.576,"body":"the Australian Institute of Sport."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2044.116,"endTime":2047.386,"body":"This department supports Australia's"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2044.116,"endTime":2047.386,"body":"high performance sporting industry across"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2047.386,"endTime":2051.466,"body":"four key work functions - wellbeing and"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2047.386,"endTime":2051.466,"body":"engagement, including mental health,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2051.466,"endTime":2055.426,"body":"professional development, and engagement;"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2051.466,"endTime":2055.426,"body":"coach development; leadership and"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2055.426,"endTime":2059.356,"body":"culture; and workforce development,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2055.426,"endTime":2059.356,"body":"to help enable optimal transitions"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2059.386,"endTime":2061.876,"body":"in, through and out of elite sport."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2062.236,"endTime":2062.956,"body":"That's a big job!"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2063.496,"endTime":2066.929,"body":"Prior to her appointment to the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2063.496,"endTime":2066.929,"body":"AI S in 2018,  Matti was the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2066.929,"endTime":2068.849,"body":"Director of Mental Edge Consulting."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2069.089,"endTime":2072.539,"body":"A qualified psychologist, she has"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2069.089,"endTime":2072.539,"body":"worked at both the strategic and"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2072.539,"endTime":2076.379,"body":"operational level at multiple Australian"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2072.539,"endTime":2076.379,"body":"Football League clubs, Cricket"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2076.379,"endTime":2080.431,"body":"Australia, Golf Australia, Netball"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2076.379,"endTime":2080.431,"body":"Australia, Tennis Australia, and the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2080.431,"endTime":2082.021,"body":"Australian cricketers association."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2082.501,"endTime":2083.911,"body":"Matti, thanks for joining us on the show."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2084.331,"endTime":2085.531,"body":"Thank you for having me."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2086.111,"endTime":2089.131,"body":"Now we've just heard a"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2086.111,"endTime":2089.131,"body":"little about your background, but in"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2089.131,"endTime":2092.581,"body":"kicking things off today, I'd like to"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2089.131,"endTime":2092.581,"body":"start by focusing a little bit about"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2092.611,"endTime":2094.881,"body":"what you're currently up to with the AIS."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2094.881,"endTime":2098.941,"body":"So, I'm conscious that things look a"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2094.881,"endTime":2098.941,"body":"little different there these days, both"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2098.941,"endTime":2100.861,"body":"in terms of structure and personnel."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2101.311,"endTime":2105.391,"body":"Can you talk a little bit about what your"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2101.311,"endTime":2105.391,"body":"role as Director of People, Development"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2105.391,"endTime":2109.201,"body":"and Wellbeing entails and how it fits in"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2105.391,"endTime":2109.201,"body":"the overall AIS structure and operations?"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2109.551,"endTime":2110.631,"body":"Yeah, absolutely."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2110.631,"endTime":2113.661,"body":"So you're right, it is a little"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2110.631,"endTime":2113.661,"body":"bit different to what some people"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2113.661,"endTime":2116.651,"body":"may have thought the AIS was about."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2116.751,"endTime":2118.971,"body":"Many years ago it was"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2116.751,"endTime":2118.971,"body":"quite a different setup."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2118.971,"endTime":2123.675,"body":"So my role is, I sit on the executive"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2118.971,"endTime":2123.675,"body":"team, there's four of us on the"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2123.675,"endTime":2126.705,"body":"executive team, and my area is"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2123.675,"endTime":2126.705,"body":"people development and wellbeing."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2126.735,"endTime":2132.025,"body":"And what we do is we do the big system"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2126.735,"endTime":2132.025,"body":"pieces of work for all the Olympic and"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2132.025,"endTime":2139.995,"body":"Paralympic sports, so that they can have"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2132.025,"endTime":2139.995,"body":"good services, programs, resources, etc,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2140.155,"endTime":2144.745,"body":"and they get dropped down through into"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2140.155,"endTime":2144.745,"body":"those in the daily training environment."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2144.745,"endTime":2150.025,"body":"So no longer does the AIS have athletes,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2144.745,"endTime":2150.025,"body":"no longer does the AIS contract coaches."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2150.67,"endTime":2152.41,"body":"The sports have those."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2152.65,"endTime":2158.32,"body":"And my team's job is to create all"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2152.65,"endTime":2158.32,"body":"those big picture things and big picture"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2158.32,"endTime":2162.13,"body":"resources that all the sports need and"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2158.32,"endTime":2162.13,"body":"aren't best placed to do individually."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2162.13,"endTime":2165.79,"body":"And then the sports tinker with them,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2162.13,"endTime":2165.79,"body":"or we support the sports to tinker with"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2165.79,"endTime":2167.56,"body":"them, to get the right fit for them."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2168.15,"endTime":2170.16,"body":"So you've taken a little"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2168.15,"endTime":2170.16,"body":"bit of, well, I guess I was going"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2170.16,"endTime":2172.56,"body":"to say pride, pride probably is the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2170.16,"endTime":2172.56,"body":"right word, in the performance over"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2172.56,"endTime":2174.03,"body":"the last couple of weeks, I take it?"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2174.03,"endTime":2178.41,"body":"Oh I reckon every, well I"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2174.03,"endTime":2178.41,"body":"hope all of the Australian population has"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2178.41,"endTime":2180.51,"body":"taken real pride in those performances."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2180.51,"endTime":2186.48,"body":"There's been some absolutely fantastic"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2180.51,"endTime":2186.48,"body":"results there, but I also think what"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2186.48,"endTime":2192.06,"body":"we're seeing is athletes talking post"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2186.48,"endTime":2192.06,"body":"their races and being really relatable,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2192.39,"endTime":2196.8,"body":"humble, and I reckon it couldn't"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2192.39,"endTime":2196.8,"body":"have come at a better time for the"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2196.8,"endTime":2198.4,"body":"Australian population, to be honest."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2198.8,"endTime":2200.96,"body":"Yeah, and I won't"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2198.8,"endTime":2200.96,"body":"talk about the contrasting examples"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2200.96,"endTime":2204.08,"body":"of that, but there has been a real"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2200.96,"endTime":2204.08,"body":"opportunity for athletes to show"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2204.08,"endTime":2207.68,"body":"them, I guess, to be really open,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2204.08,"endTime":2207.68,"body":"transparent, show off their personality."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2207.68,"endTime":2210.92,"body":"And there's been a lot of different"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2207.68,"endTime":2210.92,"body":"personalities at show, but I think"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2211.01,"endTime":2216.14,"body":"that the humble nature of it has"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2211.01,"endTime":2216.14,"body":"been definitely noted by myself,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2216.14,"endTime":2219.16,"body":"particularly in contrast to maybe some"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2216.14,"endTime":2219.16,"body":"other athletes who we won't talking"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2219.16,"endTime":2220.52,"body":"about, but no, that's a great story."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2220.52,"endTime":2222.976,"body":"And of course we've got in a couple of"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2220.52,"endTime":2222.976,"body":"weeks time, we're going again, aren't we?"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2222.976,"endTime":2224.056,"body":"With the Paralympics."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2224.376,"endTime":2225.696,"body":"Paralympics, I can't wait."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2225.846,"endTime":2227.886,"body":"I cannot wait to see the Paralympic."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2228.036,"endTime":2231.846,"body":"And I think that Aussie performances"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2228.036,"endTime":2231.846,"body":"will be once again, outstanding."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2232.176,"endTime":2235.206,"body":"Just jumping back to what you said there,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2232.176,"endTime":2235.206,"body":"I don't know if you noticed, Sam, but a"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2235.206,"endTime":2241.296,"body":"lot of the athletes at the end of their"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2235.206,"endTime":2241.296,"body":"interviews said things along the lines"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2241.296,"endTime":2246.006,"body":"of, I hope I inspired the Australian"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2241.296,"endTime":2246.006,"body":"population and I think that's really"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2246.036,"endTime":2250.836,"body":"important to call out because, and I think"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2246.036,"endTime":2250.836,"body":"they did do that, but they did that not"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2250.836,"endTime":2255.216,"body":"always by, they didn't have to win a gold"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2250.836,"endTime":2255.216,"body":"medal to inspire the nation, we saw that"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2255.216,"endTime":2260.506,"body":"on so many examples where the individuals"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2255.216,"endTime":2260.506,"body":"absolutely did an outstanding performance,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2260.556,"endTime":2263.616,"body":"but also they did it in the right way."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2263.706,"endTime":2266.336,"body":"They, you, we saw that in"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2263.706,"endTime":2266.336,"body":"the decathlon, didn't we?"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2266.716,"endTime":2268.246,"body":"That was just outstanding."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2268.666,"endTime":2271.996,"body":"We saw Jess Fox, and that has to be"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2268.666,"endTime":2271.996,"body":"one of my favorite moments, where"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2271.996,"endTime":2274.936,"body":"she actually wins the medal but"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2271.996,"endTime":2274.936,"body":"then she actually in the interview"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2274.936,"endTime":2276.376,"body":"with her dad says, I love you."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2276.376,"endTime":2279.466,"body":"And I thought that just touches"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2276.376,"endTime":2279.466,"body":"the entire Australian population."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2279.586,"endTime":2283.726,"body":"So I couldn't be actually prouder"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2279.586,"endTime":2283.726,"body":"of those performances, yeah."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2284.256,"endTime":2285.576,"body":"There's so"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2284.256,"endTime":2285.576,"body":"many great memories there."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2285.576,"endTime":2288.426,"body":"And yeah, you mentioned the decathlon,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2285.576,"endTime":2288.426,"body":"I think that's my favorite sport."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2289.116,"endTime":2292.366,"body":"It's going through a resurgence, I"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2289.116,"endTime":2292.366,"body":"think, at least in Australia, which so it"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2292.366,"endTime":2294.286,"body":"should, it's one of the fantastic events."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2294.286,"endTime":2294.606,"body":"Yeah!"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2295.066,"endTime":2295.636,"body":"Amazing."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2295.666,"endTime":2298.246,"body":"Now we've just heard"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2295.666,"endTime":2298.246,"body":"from Bianca Chatfield, and obviously"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2298.246,"endTime":2301.126,"body":"here today we're really talking"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2298.246,"endTime":2301.126,"body":"about part of the athlete journey,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2301.126,"endTime":2305.546,"body":"in particular that transition part"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2301.126,"endTime":2305.546,"body":"of their journey into post-sport."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2305.566,"endTime":2309.551,"body":"But we might talk a bit about how"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2305.566,"endTime":2309.551,"body":"that actually almost runs through the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2309.551,"endTime":2312.791,"body":"entirety of an athlete's career today,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2309.551,"endTime":2312.791,"body":"depending on your perspective on that."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2312.791,"endTime":2316.121,"body":"But yeah, Bianca was incredibly open"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2312.791,"endTime":2316.121,"body":"and candid about her own experience"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2316.151,"endTime":2320.171,"body":"in terms of what transitioning"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2316.151,"endTime":2320.171,"body":"into retirement felt like for her."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2320.591,"endTime":2324.401,"body":"Now, I know you've worked with a lot of"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2320.591,"endTime":2324.401,"body":"athletes across your career from a lot"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2324.401,"endTime":2327.901,"body":"of different sports, so I'm interested"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2324.401,"endTime":2327.901,"body":"in what are the predominant, I guess,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2327.901,"endTime":2332.161,"body":"emotions or feelings, or even events that"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2327.901,"endTime":2332.161,"body":"all athletes experience, or maybe the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2332.161,"endTime":2336.241,"body":"majority of athletes tend to experience,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2332.161,"endTime":2336.241,"body":"irrespective of their sport, maybe"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2336.241,"endTime":2338.651,"body":"before, during, and after they transition."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2339.511,"endTime":2341.551,"body":"Couple of things"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2339.511,"endTime":2341.551,"body":"about what you just said there, Sam."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2342.031,"endTime":2346.441,"body":"It is important to think about"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2342.031,"endTime":2346.441,"body":"transition, not just out of athletic"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2346.441,"endTime":2350.671,"body":"performance into next stage of life,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2346.441,"endTime":2350.671,"body":"I think there's multiple transition"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2350.671,"endTime":2352.711,"body":"points in an athlete's career."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2353.131,"endTime":2357.441,"body":"And that actually the more we consider"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2353.131,"endTime":2357.441,"body":"it from that viewpoint rather than the"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2357.441,"endTime":2361.101,"body":"one viewpoint, when they're finishing"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2357.441,"endTime":2361.101,"body":"up, the better placed they are for that"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2361.281,"endTime":2363.681,"body":"next step out of athletic performance."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2363.681,"endTime":2368.391,"body":"But in terms of the emotions, ah,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2363.681,"endTime":2368.391,"body":"I've seen so many different emotions."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2368.511,"endTime":2374.128,"body":"I think a pretty common one"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2368.511,"endTime":2374.128,"body":"is nervousness, uncertainty,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2374.548,"endTime":2375.568,"body":"worry, and stress."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2375.848,"endTime":2379.415,"body":"Because in many cases they've done"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2375.848,"endTime":2379.415,"body":"something for such a long period of"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2379.415,"endTime":2385.745,"body":"time and it's what they know, it's a"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2379.415,"endTime":2385.745,"body":"routine for many of them, and then one"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2385.745,"endTime":2387.555,"body":"day you don't have that routine there."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2387.645,"endTime":2390.945,"body":"And I think for anyone whether you're"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2387.645,"endTime":2390.945,"body":"an athlete or not, for something to be"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2390.945,"endTime":2394.995,"body":"changed that you've known and gives you"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2390.945,"endTime":2394.995,"body":"a sense of confidence and certainty."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2396.12,"endTime":2399.06,"body":"For that to go, that makes"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2396.12,"endTime":2399.06,"body":"people nervous and anxious."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2399.06,"endTime":2401.67,"body":"The level of that can obviously differs."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2402.33,"endTime":2405.9,"body":"But I think that's a pretty"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2402.33,"endTime":2405.9,"body":"common, common sentiment."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2406.43,"endTime":2409.1,"body":"A couple of things there,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2406.43,"endTime":2409.1,"body":"that stress, and we talked to Bianca"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2409.1,"endTime":2414.53,"body":"about this a little bit, that that"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2409.1,"endTime":2414.53,"body":"stress in some ways can accelerate the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2414.53,"endTime":2417.68,"body":"end in a way, because it's actually"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2414.53,"endTime":2417.68,"body":"detrimental to performance as well."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2417.68,"endTime":2421.94,"body":"So the stress of coming to the end and"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2417.68,"endTime":2421.94,"body":"Bianca gave another example around by"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2421.94,"endTime":2427.31,"body":"planning for after competition, you're"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2421.94,"endTime":2427.31,"body":"also taking, well, it's probably not"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2427.31,"endTime":2429.35,"body":"the right term, but you're taking"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2427.31,"endTime":2429.35,"body":"your eye off the ball a little bit"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2429.35,"endTime":2433.91,"body":"about maybe when you were 20 years"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2429.35,"endTime":2433.91,"body":"old, you were 95% of your being or"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2433.91,"endTime":2435.56,"body":"your existence is just to perform."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2435.59,"endTime":2438.78,"body":"Whereas now you're just taking"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2435.59,"endTime":2438.78,"body":"little pieces of time away from that"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2438.78,"endTime":2439.97,"body":"to think about what's coming next."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2439.97,"endTime":2441.53,"body":"Is that's something you notice as well?"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2441.71,"endTime":2446.3,"body":"Look, I think"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2441.71,"endTime":2446.3,"body":"we still have individuals that"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2446.3,"endTime":2452.788,"body":"think, if I start thinking about"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2446.3,"endTime":2452.788,"body":"post-sport, I'm going to jinx myself."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2453.928,"endTime":2457.158,"body":"So it goes back to what I mentioned"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2453.928,"endTime":2457.158,"body":"earlier - if we start thinking about"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2457.158,"endTime":2462.138,"body":"there's so many different transition"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2457.158,"endTime":2462.138,"body":"points across your career, and we start"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2462.138,"endTime":2467.058,"body":"getting people to think about all those"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2462.138,"endTime":2467.058,"body":"points, that helps with not jinxing"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2467.058,"endTime":2471.228,"body":"yourself or taking your eye off the ball,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2467.058,"endTime":2471.228,"body":"because you can build into that, that"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2471.228,"endTime":2478.608,"body":"very strong and true sentiment that having"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2471.228,"endTime":2478.608,"body":"things away from the pitch absolutely"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2478.608,"endTime":2480.408,"body":"can aid your on-field performance."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2480.768,"endTime":2481.998,"body":"Things aren't equal."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2482.898,"endTime":2487.608,"body":"So this concept of, I hate the word"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2482.898,"endTime":2487.608,"body":"balance because it's not, I'm going"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2487.608,"endTime":2490.638,"body":"to do five hours here, then I'm"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2487.608,"endTime":2490.638,"body":"going to do five hours training."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2490.638,"endTime":2492.798,"body":"That's just not, that's not elite sport."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2493.218,"endTime":2499.458,"body":"So it's about, what's the right mix of all"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2493.218,"endTime":2499.458,"body":"that for the individual and that right mix"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2499.488,"endTime":2502.188,"body":"changes over the athlete's career journey."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2502.428,"endTime":2509.168,"body":"And I think when athletes transition"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2502.428,"endTime":2509.168,"body":"more effectively or with less angst,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2509.188,"endTime":2513.118,"body":"they've been able to negotiate that"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2509.188,"endTime":2513.118,"body":"mix of things throughout their career."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2513.478,"endTime":2516.898,"body":"And therefore that this is another"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2513.478,"endTime":2516.898,"body":"period of time of re-assessing"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2517.228,"endTime":2521.128,"body":"how I spend my time, rather than"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2517.228,"endTime":2521.128,"body":"it's all one and then it's gone."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2521.518,"endTime":2524.578,"body":"Yeah so I think it's really, it's"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2521.518,"endTime":2524.578,"body":"about building that mindset into"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2524.578,"endTime":2528.598,"body":"the culture of the programs, into"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2524.578,"endTime":2528.598,"body":"the culture of the conversation."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2528.598,"endTime":2532.768,"body":"So those people around the athlete as"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2528.598,"endTime":2532.768,"body":"well, building those conversations,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2532.978,"endTime":2535.678,"body":"taking some role in those conversations."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2536.028,"endTime":2539.988,"body":"So it's very much, I"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2536.028,"endTime":2539.988,"body":"mean, you said multiple transition"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2539.988,"endTime":2542.928,"body":"points and I'm thinking of a"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2539.988,"endTime":2542.928,"body":"continuum and that it's a journey."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2542.928,"endTime":2545.628,"body":"And I think that's even inherent"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2542.928,"endTime":2545.628,"body":"in your title of the department,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2545.628,"endTime":2548.248,"body":"that it's not athlete development,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2545.628,"endTime":2548.248,"body":"it's people development."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2548.248,"endTime":2549.508,"body":"I assume that's really intentional."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2549.698,"endTime":2553.438,"body":"Absolutely, because"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2549.698,"endTime":2553.438,"body":"we focus a lot on athlete wellbeing."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2554.213,"endTime":2556.523,"body":"Yeah, that absolutely is important."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2556.763,"endTime":2561.383,"body":"But my view is the best practice is"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2556.763,"endTime":2561.383,"body":"wellbeing within the HP programs, that"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2561.383,"endTime":2565.223,"body":"includes coaches, high performance"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2561.383,"endTime":2565.223,"body":"staff, all those, so actually having"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2565.223,"endTime":2569.633,"body":"a culture where all people in there,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2565.223,"endTime":2569.633,"body":"are considering their wellbeing."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2570.563,"endTime":2573.163,"body":"Mmm, that is something"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2570.563,"endTime":2573.163,"body":"I wanted to ask you about, about the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2573.163,"endTime":2577.213,"body":"responsibility of transition, the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2573.163,"endTime":2577.213,"body":"socio-cultural influences, which of"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2577.213,"endTime":2580.663,"body":"course are the family, the friends and the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2577.213,"endTime":2580.663,"body":"sport, but I'm jumping ahead a little bit."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2581.593,"endTime":2585.123,"body":"But I wanted to talk more about, before"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2581.593,"endTime":2585.123,"body":"we got to that, at least what the end goal"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2585.123,"endTime":2587.313,"body":"of the transition process actually is."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2587.313,"endTime":2591.813,"body":"And you mentioned the importance"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2587.313,"endTime":2591.813,"body":"of looking at the individual"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2591.813,"endTime":2593.013,"body":"in your last response there."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2593.013,"endTime":2595.783,"body":"So I'm assuming in your response to"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2593.013,"endTime":2595.783,"body":"that, you're not going to say that"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2595.853,"endTime":2597.953,"body":"there's one goal for all athletes."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2598.053,"endTime":2600.903,"body":"But perhaps what does best"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2598.053,"endTime":2600.903,"body":"practice transition look like"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2600.903,"endTime":2602.163,"body":"then, for example, for you?"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2602.51,"endTime":2607.8,"body":"One of the things, Sam,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2602.51,"endTime":2607.8,"body":"that I've been big on with my team, is"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2608.14,"endTime":2614.335,"body":"regardless of whether it's an athlete or"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2608.14,"endTime":2614.335,"body":"a coach or high performance director, we"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2614.335,"endTime":2619.465,"body":"want these people leaving Australian elite"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2614.335,"endTime":2619.465,"body":"sport saying they're better off for it."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2620.275,"endTime":2623.815,"body":"And that doesn't mean I've won a gold"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2620.275,"endTime":2623.815,"body":"medal and I'm better off for that."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2623.845,"endTime":2628.141,"body":"It means I'm better off for the experience"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2623.845,"endTime":2628.141,"body":"of being part of high-performance sport."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2628.711,"endTime":2632.701,"body":"Now that might be utopia that we"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2628.711,"endTime":2632.701,"body":"get everyone there or might be a"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2632.701,"endTime":2635.821,"body":"little bit, you know, naive and"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2632.701,"endTime":2635.821,"body":"rose-coloured glasses, but I think we"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2635.821,"endTime":2638.431,"body":"can go a long way to achieving that."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2638.481,"endTime":2642.051,"body":"So I guess that's a long-winded way"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2638.481,"endTime":2642.051,"body":"of answering your athlete transition"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2642.081,"endTime":2646.851,"body":"question, because if athletes can"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2642.081,"endTime":2646.851,"body":"leave, it would be normal to feel a"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2646.851,"endTime":2652.701,"body":"bit lost, but if they can turn around"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2646.851,"endTime":2652.701,"body":"in a year's time, maybe two years'"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2652.701,"endTime":2658.191,"body":"time and say, I absolutely am better"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2652.701,"endTime":2658.191,"body":"off as a person, I'm a better person"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2658.221,"endTime":2660.951,"body":"being part of the high-performance"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2658.221,"endTime":2660.951,"body":"system, I think we've done our job."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2661.791,"endTime":2664.671,"body":"That's really tricky"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2661.791,"endTime":2664.671,"body":"because there's an inherent amount"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2664.671,"endTime":2667.521,"body":"of, well, it's inherent in competitive"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2664.671,"endTime":2667.521,"body":"sport and you kind of alluded to it"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2667.521,"endTime":2671.781,"body":"before in terms of training time in your"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2667.521,"endTime":2671.781,"body":"conversation about balance, but you've"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2671.781,"endTime":2674.421,"body":"got to spend a lot of time thinking"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2671.781,"endTime":2674.421,"body":"and worrying about yourself, don't you?"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2675.191,"endTime":2675.401,"body":"Yep."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2675.401,"endTime":2677.681,"body":"You absolutely do, you absolutely do."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2677.681,"endTime":2684.491,"body":"But what we want them to, individuals to,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2677.681,"endTime":2684.491,"body":"do is think about developing themselves"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2684.491,"endTime":2690.261,"body":"and in actual fact, some of the stuff,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2684.491,"endTime":2690.261,"body":"if you think about what athletes do if"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2690.261,"endTime":2695.841,"body":"they're part of a leadership team, for"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2690.261,"endTime":2695.841,"body":"instance, that's skills that are really"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2695.901,"endTime":2699.201,"body":"adaptable skills for other workplaces."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2699.981,"endTime":2704.926,"body":"So understanding that it's not"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2699.981,"endTime":2704.926,"body":"just the time in the water, and"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2704.926,"endTime":2706.486,"body":"then you go and do this other life."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2706.516,"endTime":2710.326,"body":"That actually there's all these"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2706.516,"endTime":2710.326,"body":"other things that go with being part"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2710.326,"endTime":2713.686,"body":"of a high-performance program that"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2710.326,"endTime":2713.686,"body":"you can actually keep developing"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2713.866,"endTime":2718.006,"body":"on-the-job tools and how they're"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2713.866,"endTime":2718.006,"body":"useful in your next career choice."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2718.006,"endTime":2721.786,"body":"And I think that's that"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2718.006,"endTime":2721.786,"body":"language of career choice."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2722.416,"endTime":2726.346,"body":"So I've had my career choice as"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2722.416,"endTime":2726.346,"body":"an athlete and then my choice, and"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2726.346,"endTime":2728.956,"body":"then what is my choice afterwards"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2726.346,"endTime":2728.956,"body":"and my choice afterwards."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2728.956,"endTime":2733.156,"body":"And we know that individuals rarely"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2728.956,"endTime":2733.156,"body":"stay in the one career choice for"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2733.156,"endTime":2737.116,"body":"their entire life now, that those days"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2733.156,"endTime":2737.116,"body":"are gone, people have multiple career"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2737.116,"endTime":2741.676,"body":"changes, and we've sort of got to"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2737.116,"endTime":2741.676,"body":"consider the athlete choice, because"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2741.676,"endTime":2745.156,"body":"it is a choice, no one's forcing you to"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2741.676,"endTime":2745.156,"body":"be an elite athlete, as part of that."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2745.746,"endTime":2749.176,"body":"Yeah and again, another"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2745.746,"endTime":2749.176,"body":"example of sport reflecting society and"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2749.196,"endTime":2750.726,"body":"vice versa, which happens all the time."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2750.876,"endTime":2750.966,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2752.131,"endTime":2757.301,"body":"So I'm sure when we talk about the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2752.131,"endTime":2757.301,"body":"responsibilities in all of this, and"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2757.301,"endTime":2760.351,"body":"it sounds from your responses already"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2757.301,"endTime":2760.351,"body":"to what we've been talking about, that"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2760.351,"endTime":2764.401,"body":"there is a level of responsibility from"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2760.351,"endTime":2764.401,"body":"the sports, as well as the athlete."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2764.871,"endTime":2766.101,"body":"Where does it start and stop?"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2766.101,"endTime":2767.271,"body":"Or does it not start and stop?"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2767.321,"endTime":2771.701,"body":"I mentioned earlier, they've got these"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2767.321,"endTime":2771.701,"body":"influencers of partners, friends, family,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2772.331,"endTime":2776.501,"body":"and the effect that full transition can"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2772.331,"endTime":2776.501,"body":"have on them and vice versa as well."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2776.741,"endTime":2779.863,"body":"But obviously some of those influences,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2776.741,"endTime":2779.863,"body":"they're going to come and go, or"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2779.863,"endTime":2782.073,"body":"they're going to be accentuated"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2779.863,"endTime":2782.073,"body":"at different stages as well."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2782.113,"endTime":2785.673,"body":"I mean, many athletes may have a whole"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2782.113,"endTime":2785.673,"body":"career without having a partner, or"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2785.673,"endTime":2787.233,"body":"certainly at the start of their journey."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2787.533,"endTime":2790.733,"body":"It's obviously a joint responsibility,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2787.533,"endTime":2790.733,"body":"but maybe the best way to answer this"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2790.733,"endTime":2794.453,"body":"is what are some good examples you've"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2790.733,"endTime":2794.453,"body":"seen of this either through individuals,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2794.453,"endTime":2797.773,"body":"and I don't expect you to name names of"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2794.453,"endTime":2797.773,"body":"course, or maybe some sporting governing"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2797.773,"endTime":2799.123,"body":"bodies that are doing this really well?"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2799.653,"endTime":2804.573,"body":"I think it's a"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2799.653,"endTime":2804.573,"body":"sport's responsibility to create, in"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2804.573,"endTime":2810.153,"body":"a high-performance program, to create"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2804.573,"endTime":2810.153,"body":"the culture for wellbeing to be part"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2810.153,"endTime":2815.253,"body":"of the high performance program, but"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2810.153,"endTime":2815.253,"body":"it is every individual's responsibility"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2815.583,"endTime":2818.373,"body":"to own and drive their own wellbeing."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2818.403,"endTime":2822.363,"body":"I can, and I've said this so many"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2818.403,"endTime":2822.363,"body":"times, my team can, for instance,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2822.363,"endTime":2826.473,"body":"create, we've got national mental health"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2822.363,"endTime":2826.473,"body":"referral networks, national career"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2826.473,"endTime":2829.703,"body":"practitioner referral networks, all"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2826.473,"endTime":2829.703,"body":"these resources, we can create programs."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2829.843,"endTime":2834.033,"body":"We can create, provide, pay for them or"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2829.843,"endTime":2834.033,"body":"whatever to the cows come home, but if"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2834.033,"endTime":2837.943,"body":"the individuals don't decide to engage in"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2834.033,"endTime":2837.943,"body":"them, I'm not going to mandate anything."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2838.573,"endTime":2841.853,"body":"I'm not going to mandate that you have"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2838.573,"endTime":2841.853,"body":"to go and see the career practitioner,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2842.313,"endTime":2843.893,"body":"or have to engage in university."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2843.893,"endTime":2845.243,"body":"I'm not going to mandate any of that."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2846.113,"endTime":2850.673,"body":"Our job is to set up the systems, the"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2846.113,"endTime":2850.673,"body":"resources, and the sport's responsibility"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2850.673,"endTime":2855.473,"body":"is absolutely to create that space,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2850.673,"endTime":2855.473,"body":"that culture for it to be considered"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2855.473,"endTime":2860.663,"body":"as HP, but it is everyone's individual"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2855.473,"endTime":2860.663,"body":"responsibility to drive their own career"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2860.663,"endTime":2864.653,"body":"path, their own professional development,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2860.663,"endTime":2864.653,"body":"just as you and I would do that as well."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2865.418,"endTime":2866.218,"body":"Sure, sure."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2866.368,"endTime":2869.818,"body":"Even though the athlete is spending"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2866.368,"endTime":2869.818,"body":"so much time in that organisation or"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2869.818,"endTime":2873.588,"body":"that network, they're still spending"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2869.818,"endTime":2873.588,"body":"roughly half, or in some cases"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2873.588,"endTime":2876.918,"body":"even more time outside that area,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2873.588,"endTime":2876.918,"body":"depending on the sport of course."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2876.978,"endTime":2880.848,"body":"And I think that's where we've had so"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2876.978,"endTime":2880.848,"body":"many interesting conversations on this"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2880.848,"endTime":2883.698,"body":"show about the between sport differences."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2883.698,"endTime":2885.738,"body":"There's so much that's the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2883.698,"endTime":2885.738,"body":"same about sport, but there's"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2885.738,"endTime":2886.968,"body":"so much that's so different."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2887.118,"endTime":2891.078,"body":"You know, you look at the endurance sports"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2887.118,"endTime":2891.078,"body":"and the time on task, working with a small"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2891.078,"endTime":2895.368,"body":"number of coaches, versus a team sport,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2891.078,"endTime":2895.368,"body":"and even across teams sports it changes."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2895.368,"endTime":2898.878,"body":"And I think even the Olympic"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2895.368,"endTime":2898.878,"body":"sports versus the professional"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2898.878,"endTime":2901.998,"body":"sports, as in the franchise-based"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2898.878,"endTime":2901.998,"body":"sports are so different as well."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2901.998,"endTime":2903.598,"body":"And I know you've, you've"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2901.998,"endTime":2903.598,"body":"been through all of those, so."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2903.848,"endTime":2904.968,"body":"You're right."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2904.988,"endTime":2907.868,"body":"I mean, every sport is different"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2904.988,"endTime":2907.868,"body":"and you look at some of the sports"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2908.128,"endTime":2911.888,"body":"we're currently now involved in, the"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2908.128,"endTime":2911.888,"body":"amount of time, just because, you"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2911.888,"endTime":2915.428,"body":"know look at triathlon, that's three"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2911.888,"endTime":2915.428,"body":"different sports lumped in together."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2915.458,"endTime":2917.368,"body":"You know, we were talking"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2915.458,"endTime":2917.368,"body":"before about decathlon."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2917.758,"endTime":2921.088,"body":"So there's just a huge volume of"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2917.758,"endTime":2921.088,"body":"time that is required to actually"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2921.088,"endTime":2925.018,"body":"train and then various sports have"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2921.088,"endTime":2925.018,"body":"commitments around how they qualify"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2925.018,"endTime":2928.378,"body":"for games, so therefore they need to be"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2925.018,"endTime":2928.378,"body":"overseas, and then there's professional"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2928.378,"endTime":2929.638,"body":"circuits that sit behind them."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2929.638,"endTime":2931.378,"body":"So each sport is very, very different."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2931.748,"endTime":2934.448,"body":"I don't think we can say there's one"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2931.748,"endTime":2934.448,"body":"size fits all, but I think what we"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2934.448,"endTime":2941.208,"body":"do know is that programs that retain"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2934.448,"endTime":2941.208,"body":"people for multiple Olympic/Paralympic"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2941.228,"endTime":2945.631,"body":"cycles, for your professional sports"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2941.228,"endTime":2945.631,"body":"that multiple contracts, etc, are those"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2945.841,"endTime":2950.521,"body":"programs that actually have wellbeing"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2945.841,"endTime":2950.521,"body":"embedded into their high-performance"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2950.521,"endTime":2952.921,"body":"culture and give it value."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2953.061,"endTime":2956.211,"body":"And the senior leaders role"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2953.061,"endTime":2956.211,"body":"model it, the importance of it."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2956.871,"endTime":2960.651,"body":"People want to stay around, they feel"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2956.871,"endTime":2960.651,"body":"like they're cared for, they feel"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2960.651,"endTime":2962.151,"body":"like they're not just a commodity."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2962.781,"endTime":2967.011,"body":"All those things mean that people will"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2962.781,"endTime":2967.011,"body":"stay around for more, and to be frank,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2967.011,"endTime":2969.831,"body":"probably give you more on the pitch"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2967.011,"endTime":2969.831,"body":"I would have thought as well, because"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2970.041,"endTime":2974.236,"body":"you actually feel like you're cared"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2970.041,"endTime":2974.236,"body":"for, that's just a human trait,  like"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":2974.236,"endTime":2975.796,"body":"we all want to feel like we're valued."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2976.536,"endTime":2979.146,"body":"Mm, well, the listeners"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2976.536,"endTime":2979.146,"body":"can't see me nodding away here in the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2979.146,"endTime":2983.226,"body":"background, but yeah, it's something"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2979.146,"endTime":2983.226,"body":"I completely concur with and there's"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2983.226,"endTime":2987.966,"body":"plenty of good evidence in the research"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2983.226,"endTime":2987.966,"body":"around that stability, provided of course"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2988.016,"endTime":2991.736,"body":"that it's in the right environment is"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2988.016,"endTime":2991.736,"body":"really beneficial on multiple levels."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2991.946,"endTime":2996.386,"body":"That's a nice segue into something I"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2991.946,"endTime":2996.386,"body":"wanted to ask you around the relationship"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2996.386,"endTime":3000.526,"body":"between professionalisation of sport or"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":2996.386,"endTime":3000.526,"body":"let's even call it that resourcing of"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3000.526,"endTime":3003.466,"body":"the sport and actually poor transition."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3003.526,"endTime":3004.906,"body":"And it could work either way here."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3004.906,"endTime":3007.726,"body":"Where I'm going with that is, you know,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3004.906,"endTime":3007.726,"body":"if you've got more resources, you've"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3007.726,"endTime":3011.516,"body":"got more stability, theoretically, it"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3007.726,"endTime":3011.516,"body":"should make it easier to have better"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3011.516,"endTime":3014.536,"body":"programs that you mentioned and make"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3011.516,"endTime":3014.536,"body":"a better environment, and therefore"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3014.896,"endTime":3016.336,"body":"also lead to better transition."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3016.336,"endTime":3021.016,"body":"But it also could work the other way in"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3016.336,"endTime":3021.016,"body":"terms of, if you're semi-professional,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3021.031,"endTime":3023.711,"body":"you might be working a part-time"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3021.031,"endTime":3023.711,"body":"job as well, along the side."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3023.711,"endTime":3026.851,"body":"And so you might be almost more"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3023.711,"endTime":3026.851,"body":"in touch regularly with the,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3027.241,"endTime":3029.471,"body":"let's call it, real world, even"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3027.241,"endTime":3029.471,"body":"though that's not the right term."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3029.801,"endTime":3033.791,"body":"What have you observed in terms of the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3029.801,"endTime":3033.791,"body":"level of professionalism of a sport"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3033.791,"endTime":3035.481,"body":"and its relationship with transition?"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3035.531,"endTime":3036.731,"body":"Sam, I've seen both."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3036.781,"endTime":3042.351,"body":"I've seen both and I think absolutely have"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3036.781,"endTime":3042.351,"body":"heard a lot of the sentiment around the"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3042.351,"endTime":3048.441,"body":"professionalism of sports and how that"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3042.351,"endTime":3048.441,"body":"stopped individuals, athletes, engaging or"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3048.441,"endTime":3053.061,"body":"feeling motivated to do other things, but"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3048.441,"endTime":3053.061,"body":"I've also seen the exact opposite as well."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3053.121,"endTime":3057.261,"body":"And I think it still comes back to what"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3053.121,"endTime":3057.261,"body":"we spoke about at the start - individuals"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3057.261,"endTime":3062.781,"body":"taking responsibility for the program,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3057.261,"endTime":3062.781,"body":"setting up the culture for the engagement,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3062.781,"endTime":3064.671,"body":"and I cannot move away from that."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3064.671,"endTime":3068.331,"body":"So I've seen it done really well with"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3064.671,"endTime":3068.331,"body":"senior leadership driving it, and I've"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3068.331,"endTime":3072.611,"body":"seen it done really appallingly where"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3068.331,"endTime":3072.611,"body":"individuals go, well, I'm getting paid"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3072.611,"endTime":3076.086,"body":"my contract, I don't need to worry"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3072.611,"endTime":3076.086,"body":"about this other stuff because I'm"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3076.086,"endTime":3078.306,"body":"set up, in theory, set up for life."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3078.306,"endTime":3085.446,"body":"But it's, we know that you can be paid"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3078.306,"endTime":3085.446,"body":"money, but your wellbeing, developing"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3085.446,"endTime":3091.626,"body":"yourself, is more than, for many of us,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3085.446,"endTime":3091.626,"body":"is more than just if I get paid or not."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3091.686,"endTime":3094.476,"body":"So all the other things that"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3091.686,"endTime":3094.476,"body":"come with that and being able to"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3094.476,"endTime":3098.226,"body":"understand and articulate that in"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3094.476,"endTime":3098.226,"body":"terms of a high-performance culture"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3098.676,"endTime":3100.736,"body":"and being a high performer as well."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3100.736,"endTime":3103.736,"body":"And I think those that grasp"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3100.736,"endTime":3103.736,"body":"both, it doesn't matter whether"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3103.736,"endTime":3105.086,"body":"you're professional or otherwise."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3106.696,"endTime":3110.416,"body":"It's almost like it's a"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3106.696,"endTime":3110.416,"body":"something, because there's an economic"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3110.416,"endTime":3113.566,"body":"reality here to some sports, let's face"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3110.416,"endTime":3113.566,"body":"it, and that's not going to change."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3113.566,"endTime":3117.856,"body":"And it's almost an opportunity for those"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3113.566,"endTime":3117.856,"body":"sports to work on those areas almost"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3117.856,"endTime":3120.796,"body":"as a highlight of going into those"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3117.856,"endTime":3120.796,"body":"sports, I think, and I'm sure that some"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3120.796,"endTime":3124.116,"body":"of them do this already in terms of,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3120.796,"endTime":3124.116,"body":"we're realistic about where you're at"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3124.116,"endTime":3126.846,"body":"and how much time you're gonna be able"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3124.116,"endTime":3126.846,"body":"to spend on this, but we can offer you"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3126.876,"endTime":3129.966,"body":"these other things that are gonna help"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3126.876,"endTime":3129.966,"body":"you come out at the end of this as really"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3129.966,"endTime":3133.236,"body":"well equipped for what's after sport"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3129.966,"endTime":3133.236,"body":"for you, or at least competitive sport."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3133.236,"endTime":3136.916,"body":"Yeah look I do think"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3133.236,"endTime":3136.916,"body":"there's an opportunity for organisations"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3136.936,"endTime":3141.586,"body":"and sports to use that to their"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3136.936,"endTime":3141.586,"body":"competitive advantage, to say, you will be"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3141.586,"endTime":3143.716,"body":"well-equipped for your next stage of life."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3143.776,"endTime":3145.906,"body":"And that's something we value."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3146.176,"endTime":3149.086,"body":"And that's something that we think"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3146.176,"endTime":3149.086,"body":"is attractive to the marketplace."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3149.086,"endTime":3152.746,"body":"And particularly at the moment"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3149.086,"endTime":3152.746,"body":"where in Australia, there's"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3152.746,"endTime":3154.276,"body":"a lot of choice for athletes."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3154.456,"endTime":3154.756,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3154.846,"endTime":3155.566,"body":"A lot of choice."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3155.566,"endTime":3159.346,"body":"So that should be part of your"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3155.566,"endTime":3159.346,"body":"value proposition, I would think."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3159.376,"endTime":3163.876,"body":"Selfishly, I think that should be part"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3159.376,"endTime":3163.876,"body":"of the value proposition, but I genuinely"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3163.876,"endTime":3167.156,"body":"think it adds to the performance and"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3163.876,"endTime":3167.156,"body":"the retention of really good people."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3167.686,"endTime":3170.146,"body":"Yeah, you've just got"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3167.686,"endTime":3170.146,"body":"me thinking there slightly off topic,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3170.176,"endTime":3171.796,"body":"but I guess it's related in some way."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3171.796,"endTime":3175.906,"body":"I mean, just the attractiveness"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3171.796,"endTime":3175.906,"body":"of sport as a career full stop."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3176.223,"endTime":3180.343,"body":"Athletes have always had relatively short"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3176.223,"endTime":3180.343,"body":"careers, at least at the high level."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3180.563,"endTime":3184.103,"body":"In many sports, obviously athletes"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3180.563,"endTime":3184.103,"body":"are just about finished by the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3184.103,"endTime":3186.173,"body":"time they're 30, they're not"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3184.103,"endTime":3186.173,"body":"even halfway through their life."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3186.683,"endTime":3189.713,"body":"But you could argue, and I don't have"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3186.683,"endTime":3189.713,"body":"any evidence to support this, but I"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3189.713,"endTime":3193.053,"body":"think it's fairly self evident that"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3189.713,"endTime":3193.053,"body":"athletes are under scrutiny that they've"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3193.053,"endTime":3197.193,"body":"never been under before, whether it's"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3193.053,"endTime":3197.193,"body":"media or social media, and even the way"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3197.193,"endTime":3201.843,"body":"that we set up our anti-doping is the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3197.193,"endTime":3201.843,"body":"burden of proof is on the athlete rather"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3201.883,"endTime":3203.383,"body":"than what we see in general society."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3203.953,"endTime":3206.473,"body":"It doesn't seem like it's"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3203.953,"endTime":3206.473,"body":"affecting participation rates"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3206.473,"endTime":3207.583,"body":"at the elite level in any way."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3207.613,"endTime":3209.863,"body":"You still think it's an"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3207.613,"endTime":3209.863,"body":"attractive career for people?"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3210.063,"endTime":3210.993,"body":"Yeah I do."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3211.046,"endTime":3214.886,"body":"And may be it's the afterglow"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3211.046,"endTime":3214.886,"body":"of the last two weeks."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3215.396,"endTime":3220.086,"body":"I do think it is an amazing, if"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3215.396,"endTime":3220.086,"body":"you are physically and technically"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3220.566,"endTime":3224.216,"body":"talented enough to be able to do"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3220.566,"endTime":3224.216,"body":"that, I think it's really attractive."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3224.666,"endTime":3230.006,"body":"And I think we talked about it a bit"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3224.666,"endTime":3230.006,"body":"earlier, that there are a whole heap"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3230.006,"endTime":3237.121,"body":"of things you learn or experience"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3230.006,"endTime":3237.121,"body":"and develop in a HP program as an"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3237.291,"endTime":3242.751,"body":"Olympic/Paralympic athlete, at such"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3237.291,"endTime":3242.751,"body":"a young age, that others don't."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3243.371,"endTime":3248.801,"body":"That is really, really attractive to"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3243.371,"endTime":3248.801,"body":"other business places, other industries."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3249.291,"endTime":3250.751,"body":"To your point, they are young."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3251.148,"endTime":3254.478,"body":"Many of them are in leadership"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3251.148,"endTime":3254.478,"body":"roles, extremely young."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3254.868,"endTime":3256.998,"body":"They're under so much public scrutiny."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3256.998,"endTime":3261.428,"body":"There's such a level of, how many"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3256.998,"endTime":3261.428,"body":"of us go and perform in front of"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3261.488,"endTime":3265.568,"body":"millions and millions of spectators"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3261.488,"endTime":3265.568,"body":"and have to bounce back, to that level."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3265.838,"endTime":3269.608,"body":"Or have Joe Blow on the street who I've"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3265.838,"endTime":3269.608,"body":"never met before, throwing me some advice"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3269.608,"endTime":3270.808,"body":"about what I could have done better."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3270.928,"endTime":3273.028,"body":"So they do it at such a young age."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3273.893,"endTime":3277.613,"body":"I get that sounds negative, but also"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3273.893,"endTime":3277.613,"body":"there's a way to flip that that's"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3277.913,"endTime":3281.633,"body":"you're learning all this stuff, at"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3277.913,"endTime":3281.633,"body":"such a young age, it well positions"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3281.633,"endTime":3283.643,"body":"you for your next career choice."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3284.123,"endTime":3285.103,"body":"Yep, absolutely."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3285.103,"endTime":3287.563,"body":"You did a great job of tying"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3285.103,"endTime":3287.563,"body":"that back into the topic at hand."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3289.753,"endTime":3292.743,"body":"I agree though, it should make"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3289.753,"endTime":3292.743,"body":"them very hireable to a lot"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3292.743,"endTime":3293.793,"body":"of different management roles."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3294.003,"endTime":3296.163,"body":"It's not just management, it's"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3294.003,"endTime":3296.163,"body":"probably all sorts of roles that"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3296.163,"endTime":3299.853,"body":"require resilience and things that,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3296.163,"endTime":3299.853,"body":"I know that's an overused term these"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3299.853,"endTime":3302.163,"body":"days, but that's most jobs, isn't it?"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3302.193,"endTime":3303.703,"body":"That they need those types of skillsets."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3303.723,"endTime":3305.223,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3303.723,"endTime":3305.223,"body":"those adaptable skills."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3305.223,"endTime":3310.143,"body":"And you think about what happened with the"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3305.223,"endTime":3310.143,"body":"postponement of Tokyo, the Tokyo games."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3310.503,"endTime":3315.963,"body":"And when you see how our Aussie athletes"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3310.503,"endTime":3315.963,"body":"have performed, there's something, like"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3315.963,"endTime":3319.203,"body":"we said, hugely to be proud of, but"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3315.963,"endTime":3319.203,"body":"there's something in that that surely"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3319.443,"endTime":3323.926,"body":"other industries look at and go, wow,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3319.443,"endTime":3323.926,"body":"there were people retiring, going to"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3323.926,"endTime":3327.666,"body":"retire, Sam, and then they're like, oh"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3323.926,"endTime":3327.666,"body":"hang on, I'll keep going for another year."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3328.368,"endTime":3329.358,"body":"It's impressive, isn't it?"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3329.988,"endTime":3331.188,"body":"Oh, hugely impressive."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3331.358,"endTime":3335.528,"body":"But I do think other industries can look"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3331.358,"endTime":3335.528,"body":"at that and go, what is it in there?"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3335.658,"endTime":3341.168,"body":"And yes, there are types of people that"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3335.658,"endTime":3341.168,"body":"I think are attracted to elite sport,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3341.198,"endTime":3344.688,"body":"and obviously you have to have the"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3341.198,"endTime":3344.688,"body":"makeup to be able to physically deliver,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3344.688,"endTime":3347.838,"body":"so there's a whole heap of things that"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3344.688,"endTime":3347.838,"body":"rule people out, but there's also,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3347.898,"endTime":3353.958,"body":"there's that mindset, that grit, that"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3347.898,"endTime":3353.958,"body":"determination, and that is attractive."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3354.768,"endTime":3356.308,"body":"That is attractive for other industries."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3356.893,"endTime":3357.433,"body":"I agree."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3357.463,"endTime":3360.763,"body":"Now, the last thing, the last"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3357.463,"endTime":3360.763,"body":"topic, I suppose, I wanted to"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3360.763,"endTime":3364.183,"body":"cover with you before I let you go"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3360.763,"endTime":3364.183,"body":"is just the future of this area."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3364.183,"endTime":3367.033,"body":"That tends to be where I normally"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3364.183,"endTime":3367.033,"body":"finish our conversations on."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3367.453,"endTime":3371.473,"body":"So that might be, where improvements"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3367.453,"endTime":3371.473,"body":"can be made either in the short or"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3371.473,"endTime":3375.703,"body":"long-term, or what you'd like to see"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3371.473,"endTime":3375.703,"body":"even in your own department, or you"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3375.703,"endTime":3378.323,"body":"might even want to talk about what"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3375.703,"endTime":3378.323,"body":"you're working on at the moment, or not."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3378.323,"endTime":3380.303,"body":"You might not want to give"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3378.323,"endTime":3380.303,"body":"competitive advantage away."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3380.303,"endTime":3383.063,"body":"But where would you like and"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3380.303,"endTime":3383.063,"body":"hope that this space moves in the"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3383.063,"endTime":3384.863,"body":"next, I guess, couple of years?"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3385.183,"endTime":3387.703,"body":"I think more"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3385.183,"endTime":3387.703,"body":"broadly, if we're narrowing on"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3387.733,"endTime":3394.543,"body":"wellbeing, athlete wellbeing, people"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3387.733,"endTime":3394.543,"body":"development is a real growth area."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3394.633,"endTime":3401.113,"body":"And I think is really, really getting"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3394.633,"endTime":3401.113,"body":"the attention it needs, because we've"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3401.113,"endTime":3405.523,"body":"all worked with head coaches that are"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3401.113,"endTime":3405.523,"body":"technically and tactically fantastic,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3405.733,"endTime":3408.253,"body":"but they cannot manage people."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3408.283,"endTime":3413.143,"body":"And regardless of whether it's on a pitch,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3408.283,"endTime":3413.143,"body":"in the pool, or whatever, we're in the"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3413.143,"endTime":3415.003,"body":"job of getting the best out of people."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3415.883,"endTime":3418.523,"body":"And those people just happen to"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3415.883,"endTime":3418.523,"body":"be, in many cases, the best in"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3418.523,"endTime":3420.833,"body":"the world, but it's still getting"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3418.523,"endTime":3420.833,"body":"the best out of those people."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3420.833,"endTime":3422.273,"body":"And how do you motivate them?"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3422.723,"endTime":3425.303,"body":"So it is about people, our"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3422.723,"endTime":3425.303,"body":"business is about people."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3425.303,"endTime":3431.453,"body":"So my department's role is, I think"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3425.303,"endTime":3431.453,"body":"we're in a really good almost with that"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3431.453,"endTime":3435.953,"body":"moment in time where people have now"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3431.453,"endTime":3435.953,"body":"understood that getting good people,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3435.983,"endTime":3441.683,"body":"so attracting, retaining and developing"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3435.983,"endTime":3441.683,"body":"great people, great thinkers, but"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3441.833,"endTime":3445.653,"body":"also good people managers for many of"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3441.833,"endTime":3445.653,"body":"the roles, that is critical for the"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3445.923,"endTime":3447.873,"body":"ongoing success of Australian sports."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3447.873,"endTime":3450.453,"body":"So I feel really lucky to"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3447.873,"endTime":3450.453,"body":"be in the role we're in now."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3450.483,"endTime":3453.543,"body":"And I think we were talking about"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3450.483,"endTime":3453.543,"body":"it a bit before we came online,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3453.813,"endTime":3455.193,"body":"the area of coach development."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3455.373,"endTime":3457.773,"body":"I thought it was lucky when I got"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3455.373,"endTime":3457.773,"body":"the opportunity to set up the system"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3457.773,"endTime":3460.923,"body":"for athlete wellbeing and engagement"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3457.773,"endTime":3460.923,"body":"for the country, and I feel really"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3460.923,"endTime":3464.463,"body":"fortunate about that, but I feel really"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3460.923,"endTime":3464.463,"body":"fortunate I've got another opportunity"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3464.463,"endTime":3468.283,"body":"with coach development, because"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3464.463,"endTime":3468.283,"body":"something is special about coaches."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3468.583,"endTime":3472.963,"body":"And I worry that if we don't really"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3468.583,"endTime":3472.963,"body":"pay attention to that and work"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3472.963,"endTime":3477.253,"body":"on that and develop them and give"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3472.963,"endTime":3477.253,"body":"them tools to succeed, we aren't"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3477.253,"endTime":3481.436,"body":"going to be able to attract people"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3477.253,"endTime":3481.436,"body":"into being coaches for the future."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3481.676,"endTime":3482.786,"body":"And we need coaches."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3482.936,"endTime":3483.956,"body":"There's no doubt about it."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3483.956,"endTime":3488.606,"body":"So that attraction and retention of"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3483.956,"endTime":3488.606,"body":"world's best coaches is really important."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3488.816,"endTime":3493.796,"body":"And Australian-bred world's best coaches,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3488.816,"endTime":3493.796,"body":"that's really attractive, and females."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3494.461,"endTime":3495.361,"body":"We haven't done it well."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3495.391,"endTime":3496.921,"body":"I don't think any"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3495.391,"endTime":3496.921,"body":"country has done it well."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3497.301,"endTime":3498.861,"body":"We should be doing it really well."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3499.041,"endTime":3502.331,"body":"So that's a bit of the future for that"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3499.041,"endTime":3502.331,"body":"area, but in terms of wellbeing and"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3502.331,"endTime":3506.501,"body":"engagement, I couldn't be prouder of"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3502.331,"endTime":3506.501,"body":"what has been achieved in three years"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3506.501,"endTime":3510.281,"body":"in this country from taking the system,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3506.501,"endTime":3510.281,"body":"taking a national approach, we have"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3510.281,"endTime":3514.421,"body":"lots of other countries come and spend"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3510.281,"endTime":3514.421,"body":"time with us, ask for resources, and"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3514.481,"endTime":3518.111,"body":"I think that's a real testament to the"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3514.481,"endTime":3518.111,"body":"team's hard work about setting it up."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3518.141,"endTime":3519.911,"body":"We haven't nailed it, there's"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3518.141,"endTime":3519.911,"body":"no doubt about it, but we've"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3519.911,"endTime":3521.351,"body":"come a long way in three years."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3521.381,"endTime":3525.461,"body":"We've got HP sport thinking"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3521.381,"endTime":3525.461,"body":"wellbeing's front and center."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3525.701,"endTime":3529.151,"body":"We've got AW\u0026E managers, athlete"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3525.701,"endTime":3529.151,"body":"wellbeing and engagement managers,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3529.241,"endTime":3531.251,"body":"embedded in high-performance programs."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3531.311,"endTime":3534.281,"body":"And they report into the High"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3531.311,"endTime":3534.281,"body":"Performance Director or the CEO."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3534.551,"endTime":3537.551,"body":"They have a seat at the"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3534.551,"endTime":3537.551,"body":"decision-making table, that three"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3537.551,"endTime":3539.381,"body":"years ago, that was not the case."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3540.281,"endTime":3541.991,"body":"We invest really heavily in it."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3542.051,"endTime":3543.971,"body":"So we've done a lot of good things."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3544.241,"endTime":3548.651,"body":"The next bit I think is, as we talked"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3544.241,"endTime":3548.651,"body":"about actually off air, that the"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3548.651,"endTime":3553.301,"body":"real focus has been on the athlete"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3548.651,"endTime":3553.301,"body":"wellbeing, best practice is the wellbeing"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3553.301,"endTime":3557.691,"body":"of the HP program, the HP system,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3553.301,"endTime":3557.691,"body":"and that includes coaches and high"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3557.751,"endTime":3560.271,"body":"performance directors, and HP staff."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3560.781,"endTime":3565.551,"body":"We've got a bit more work to"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3560.781,"endTime":3565.551,"body":"do on that because, naturally,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3565.881,"endTime":3570.351,"body":"people always revert to athlete,"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3565.881,"endTime":3570.351,"body":"athlete, athlete, at potentially"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3570.351,"endTime":3571.881,"body":"at the cost of their own wellbeing."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3571.911,"endTime":3575.151,"body":"And we've got to start shifting that"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3571.911,"endTime":3575.151,"body":"because we've got to have healthy people"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3575.151,"endTime":3577.491,"body":"in the system, inclusive of athletes."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3577.701,"endTime":3581.751,"body":"So lots of work to be done, but I"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3577.701,"endTime":3581.751,"body":"generally I'm really, I'm really"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3581.751,"endTime":3583.241,"body":"proud of what the team has done."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3583.691,"endTime":3586.061,"body":"Yeah and I think"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3583.691,"endTime":3586.061,"body":"the proof's been in the pudding"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3586.061,"endTime":3587.201,"body":"over the last couple of years."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3587.201,"endTime":3590.331,"body":"I hear anecdotes and also we've"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3587.201,"endTime":3590.331,"body":"seen some really great performances,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3590.351,"endTime":3593.021,"body":"but it also sounds like you've"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3590.351,"endTime":3593.021,"body":"got a busy couple of years ahead."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3593.021,"endTime":3595.511,"body":"So I'll look forward to"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3593.021,"endTime":3595.511,"body":"watching the journey."},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3595.661,"endTime":3597.011,"body":"Thanks"},{"speaker":"Matti Clements","startTime":3595.661,"endTime":3597.011,"body":"for having me on the show."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3597.881,"endTime":3598.301,"body":"Thanks Matti."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3605.021,"endTime":3607.151,"body":"And now some final thoughts"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3605.021,"endTime":3607.151,"body":"on today's question."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3608.051,"endTime":3610.541,"body":"It's clear that every athlete's"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3608.051,"endTime":3610.541,"body":"journey, from beginning to"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3610.541,"endTime":3611.931,"body":"retirement, is different."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3612.711,"endTime":3617.001,"body":"And despite the best possible planning,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3612.711,"endTime":3617.001,"body":"preparation and support, it's normal and"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3617.001,"endTime":3622.281,"body":"perhaps unavoidable for every athlete"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3617.001,"endTime":3622.281,"body":"to feel nervous, anxious, uncertain, and"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3622.281,"endTime":3626.621,"body":"ultimately a sense of loss when their"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3622.281,"endTime":3626.621,"body":"time in competitive sport comes to an end."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3627.701,"endTime":3631.061,"body":"This may be felt not just in the buzz"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3627.701,"endTime":3631.061,"body":"that comes from training and competing,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3631.301,"endTime":3634.631,"body":"but also the time in the limelight,"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3631.301,"endTime":3634.631,"body":"and connections with teammates."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3635.771,"endTime":3638.951,"body":"Fortunately, many organised sports"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3635.771,"endTime":3638.951,"body":"now have structures in place to"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3638.951,"endTime":3642.521,"body":"minimise the negative impacts that"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3638.951,"endTime":3642.521,"body":"can occur during this time - from"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3642.521,"endTime":3646.841,"body":"resentment, a loss of identity, and"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3642.521,"endTime":3646.841,"body":"even long-term declined mental health."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3647.381,"endTime":3650.561,"body":"And when implemented well, these"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3647.381,"endTime":3650.561,"body":"structures target preparing the athlete"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3650.561,"endTime":3655.181,"body":"as a whole for post-competitive life"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3650.561,"endTime":3655.181,"body":"- from the change in work hours, social"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3655.181,"endTime":3657.341,"body":"interactions, and even eating habits."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3658.211,"endTime":3660.521,"body":"This should help to ensure"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3658.211,"endTime":3660.521,"body":"that in retirement, the athlete"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3660.521,"endTime":3664.151,"body":"doesn't just survive, but actually"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3660.521,"endTime":3664.151,"body":"thrives, in whatever comes next."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3664.811,"endTime":3668.551,"body":"And the reality should be that whatever"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3664.811,"endTime":3668.551,"body":"does come next for athletes has a"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3668.551,"endTime":3670.181,"body":"good potential to be successful."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3671.061,"endTime":3675.231,"body":"By definition, elite athletes are"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3671.061,"endTime":3675.231,"body":"exceptional - often not just in terms"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3675.231,"endTime":3679.191,"body":"of athletic prowess, but also in"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3675.231,"endTime":3679.191,"body":"skills that are directly transferable"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3679.371,"endTime":3681.051,"body":"into whatever pursuit comes next."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3681.471,"endTime":3684.021,"body":"Resilience, dedication, and grit."},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3685.071,"endTime":3687.991,"body":"I'm Sam Robertson, and this"},{"speaker":"Sam Robertson","startTime":3685.071,"endTime":3687.991,"body":"has been One Track Mind."},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3689.951,"endTime":3693.911,"body":"One Track Mind is brought"},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3689.951,"endTime":3693.911,"body":"to you by Track and Victoria University."},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3694.301,"endTime":3697.571,"body":"Our host is professor Sam"},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3694.301,"endTime":3697.571,"body":"Robertson and our producer is"},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3697.571,"endTime":3699.191,"body":"Lara Chan-Baker - that's me!"},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3699.641,"endTime":3703.781,"body":"If you care about these issues as"},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3699.641,"endTime":3703.781,"body":"much as we do, please support us by"},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3703.781,"endTime":3707.771,"body":"subscribing, leaving a review on iTunes"},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3703.781,"endTime":3707.771,"body":"and recommending the show to a friend."},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3708.071,"endTime":3710.861,"body":"It only takes a minute, but"},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3708.071,"endTime":3710.861,"body":"it makes all the difference."},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3711.191,"endTime":3714.311,"body":"If you want more where this came"},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3711.191,"endTime":3714.311,"body":"from, follow us on Twitter at"},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3714.311,"endTime":3720.121,"body":"@trackvu, on Instagram at @track.vu,"},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3714.311,"endTime":3720.121,"body":"or just head to trackvu.com."},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3720.701,"endTime":3723.011,"body":"While you're there, why not"},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3720.701,"endTime":3723.011,"body":"sign up for our newsletter?"},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3723.371,"endTime":3726.971,"body":"It's a regular dose of sports science"},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3723.371,"endTime":3726.971,"body":"insights from our leading team of"},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3726.971,"endTime":3730.151,"body":"researchers with links to further"},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3726.971,"endTime":3730.151,"body":"reading on each episode topic."},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3730.866,"endTime":3734.646,"body":"Thank you so much for listening to"},{"speaker":"Lara Chan-Baker","startTime":3730.866,"endTime":3734.646,"body":"One Track Mind, we will see you soon."}]}