Ep.123 Leela Kalow and Dean Yershalmy : Movement Practice and more

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About Leela & Dean
Leela Kalow and Dean Yerushalmy are the only two people in Santa Cruz, California teaching classes based on the work and philosophies of Ido Portal under his direct guidance in his Mentorship Program. They are honored to be in this select group of mentees from all over the world who come together throughout the year to continue our studies and to build our own communities through Movement. Our varied backgrounds in sports and dance is what lead us organically to study with Ido.

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:13

Welcome back to speak for change podcast. I'm your host Thomas Sage Patterson. Our mission is to inspire and create pause and lasting change in our local and global communities. We broadcast from the Tanner art center in Santa Cruz, California. I hope you enjoy the episode of speak for change podcasts. Have a beautiful and impactful day. Welcome back to speak for change podcast. I'm your host Thomas Sage Patterson. Our next guest is Lela and Dean of Santa Cruz movement. They are the only two people in Santa Cruz, California teaching classes based on the work and philosophies ofdo portal. This episode was an absolute treat record. I am now a student of Santa Cruz movement and is a really special, it is really special to be able to work with Lila and Dean with this holistic and interdisciplinary approach to physical and mental wellness. This focus on movement has been created by Edel portal's focus on specifically focusing on, on movement principles that he discovered through his exploration of disciplines like Katta, martial arts dance, and more, this approach really allows a well-rounded approach to physical movement, but also psychological elasticity. After this interview, I realized this type of generalist approach to movement really aligned with my perspective of the interconnectedness between everything on earth and in the universe. I will end this inter intro<laugh> with a popular quote that most people recognize, but most people have not heard the full quote. A Jack of all trades is a master of one, but oftentimes better than a master of one. I hope you enjoy this episode. Have a wonderful day. Hello everyone. It's your host Thomas Sage Patterson.<affirmative> if you don't know, we are now doing monthly in person live podcast events with live music and transformative discussions. Right now we have teamed up with indexical, a local Santa Cruz, nonprofit focused on experimental art. This is at the Tanner art center in Santa Cruz, California. And if you, you wanna buy tickets or get more info, please go to Thomas Sage petterson.com. That's T H O M a S S a G E P E D E R S E n.com. And go to the speak for change tab. I hope you enjoy today's show and I hope you enjoy, speak for change. Thank you, Lela and Dean. Welcome to speak for change. Podcasts honored to have you guys on. Thank you

Speaker 2 3:15

For having us.

Speaker 3 3:16

Thanks.

Speaker 1 3:17

Yeah, I've been following your is, um, Santa Cruz movement for a while and wow. Um, I think immediately, like what comes to my mind is like, this is the best thing for like human beings.<laugh> you know what I mean? Um, cause it seems like you guys are not just like, as someone who's like kind of a Renaissance person. I do like a lot of different things, you know what I mean? Like I like to explore new things, learn different things. Even when I learn teach music, like we have like a open approach. Like we, we teach everybody, you know, everyone's music, right. And you know, we go from all these different angles in this kind of whole sick thinking. And it's almost like that is like, uh, an alignment with like what humans are. Right. Yeah. And so when I see your guys' method, you guys are not as someone who's like a boxer who hurt his knee. Um, I'm like, oh, I recognize that one. Or, and then like doing martial arts, I was like, oh, I recognize that thing, you know, but then there's just all these different things from all these different genres of like physical activity, you guys are covering all the bases. Right.

Speaker 2 4:28

We try to cover as much as we can and not overwhelm the people. Cause uh, when it's becoming too open, it can be too much. Yeah. But uh, we try to cover a lot of, uh, human movement then we are living in a body. So it's important to look at the body from different angles, as you said, like music, so many angles and provide process to people to start and then continue from there to

Speaker 3 4:53

Dive deep into many different places. But, um, yeah, again, without over doing it are, you know, becoming too addicted to that one thing. Yeah. Because again, then it's time to move on. Like you said, to explore new things. Um, and also in that way you then become a more like interesting human you can say and yeah. And um, you start to yeah. Build a more or functional body.

Speaker 1 5:24

Yeah. Um, so I dunno, I just like dived in like pretty deep there, right off the bat, but like, you know, how did you guys come to, I don't know what you want you call. I mean, you call it movement and I, I think that's beautiful. Right. So like a movement community movement, um, practice. So how did you guys like come to that, this specific practice?

Speaker 3 5:46

Uh, well just start saying, um, so Dean and I met in Tel Aviv and Israel, um, in 2012 and then, um, we both were practicing certain things, um, from yoga to sports and dance and yeah. Um, certain disciplines that we were already doing. And then we found IO portal teacher, um, and his, like so many students that have been living in Israel as well. And um, and we started to study with them, uh, go to their classes and, and this is how we first came across this work.

Speaker 2 6:27

Yeah. So we, we been in as little said a lot of different, uh, sports and discipline that we did was a dancer. I was after the army did course we got injured, went to physical therapy to study and uh, we search for something that can include everything. Yeah. Can, can include the therapeutic. It can include the strength, the, the openness, the, the soft body. So everything together in one area. Then if some, then, then you don't need to search anything outside of, so you have it all include in one practice. Right. And what nice about is that your body after you're doing all of those different things that we are doing is really open. Yeah. And open for everything. You wanna do a Kos, we can do a Kos. You wanna go to the floor, we can do floor work. You talk about martial arts. Yeah. Also we are not, uh, amazing in any of them, but we can do a lot, a lot of thing. And then the body will become more open. So let's say if I will go surfing, I don't need to stretch for 20 minutes in order to open the body. Like if I'm doing, let's say a strength session or course fit session, and I need now to be more open yeah. Will be out for me. And this practices will very nice to see that your is constantly open to new things. Mm-hmm<affirmative> cause we are practicing new stuff all the time. And yeah. That's amazing feeling, not a lot of people have this feeling in the body that can be open for everything and ready. Yeah. For almost every physical movement. A lot of course, if you do new stuff, it's again become hard and you need to yeah. To jump the, the steps there, but uh, still your, your body's open it. Uh,

Speaker 3 8:02

And I'll just add quickly that we were, or we had found this in IO and what I, um, when I said, when we met each other and it became clear that there was something more wasn't like, we knew this is what we needed. Cuz as you said, like movement, it's very general. What is that? Right. Watch, you know? And so, and then, and then again, Edo and, and his students, um, were doing something very different and it was clear from the start, even though it's already evolved and changed the practice itself since we started. And since we met them, um, it was clear from the start that there was a lot here. Yeah.

Speaker 2 8:37

How you can see it, that you can see it on IO. Yeah. The teacher, you can see it on his student. Mm-hmm<affirmative> that there is results. And if, if there is results on the teacher, there is results on the students. So for sure there is something there, right. Cause he can help himself with the practice and he can help other that was similar to us in the age and what they did. And that's, that's what you need. This is what, when you look and someone to help you, this is yeah. If he cannot help himself. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. He cannot help me. Yeah. Why it's a little bit, uh, this is how, how we look and someone that we want to practice with him or, or to, to study. Yeah. This is a good way to see the, the teacher.

Speaker 1 9:21

Yeah. You guys. And I think that's what, you know, you guys are mentioned IO IO, right. Um, the leading first mentality, right? The kind of like you are the one who does the things and that helps inspire and change the things. Yeah. Afterwards

Speaker 3 9:35

To, you can place trust into that. If you see that they've gone through something and it doesn't mean he was, he was super talented. He actually always, he, he himself and other students as well. It did not necessarily come from like, um, they are super talented or they could just do something from the first. It wasn't that at all.<laugh> it was like took a lot of work. Yeah.

Speaker 2 9:55

Of tough time. People are thinking about us. We can do kind of everything. Yeah.<laugh> but it's not,

Speaker 3 10:01

It's not,

Speaker 2 10:03

You see on Instagram sometimes the end project of it. Yeah. You didn't see all the repetition that took us together. And this is sometimes the confusion. People think they need to be amazing to come here or they need to be capable and no, that's the, the opposite. Most of the time, if you see us parked, you would see that 80% of the time, not so great smuggle

Speaker 4 10:24

<laugh>

Speaker 2 10:25

You, you wouldn't think highly of us if you see us practicing outside of, you know yeah. We not showing the end project. So that's uh, what the behind the scene little bit.

Speaker 1 10:35

Yeah. I mean, you guys speaking about that, um, I'm gonna go back a little bit to what you said. So were you inspired to get into this because did, did an injury inspire you because you were talking about CrossFit and like how you got injured through CrossFit, um, and like your, your experience with the army as well. Right. Were you looking for something more holistic, sick because of your own experience or you're looking for something because these things did not like actually injured your body versus, um, so yeah. Were you looking for something that's like, were you specifically looking for something more whole picture?

Speaker 2 11:12

Yeah. So I, I always like to move and do stuff and do different stuff, but it's never was clear the journey between them and how you taking all of them to one practice and how surfing can help me to do other thing and how the, the flow work that we are doing can help me to do strengths and strength will help me all of this, how it's connect. Yes. And with other is clear connection from the beginning. That that is the one part. Yeah. So if I'm now, uh, let's say practicing strength. Yeah. It will help me in some ways in different places. Mm. And, and then I, I, I don't need to, to separate myself, I'm a surf. I am this, I am that I am dead. And then it start to be confusing. Who am I, what am I doing? How can I improve the way this is interrupting my part, everything become a whole, it's not easy to do it, to take a lot of work, but this, this is what it do is doing like opening it and opening the, the practice. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. Moralistic, as you said, yes. Something that can, the therapeutic, the, the strength, the can include everything in one thing. Yeah.

Speaker 3 12:17

I'll say for the injuries, it, it definitely led, I think both of, I can say for both of us to it as well, because, um, like you said, if you're, if you're injured from something specific, it usually means then you can't do it. You have to off and step away. And this practice, what it offers is like Dean just said, it offers a lot of therapeutic work, which is very helpful, but it also gives you the perspective and the yeah. The eye to, okay, I'm injured in this way. What can I still do? How can I work around it, eventually work with it and into it, and then through it, and, you know, just goes away. But it, it just doesn't make you stop what you're doing. Yeah. Just because you're injured or you're going through mentally going through a hard time. It's always there. Yeah. Um, to support you in, in how, in whatever state you're in is how we feel, you know, I strong thing to say, but it's, we're living proof of it. Or, you know, our students are, I mean, this is how we, we, we live day to day. So it, um, it's been, yeah. I mean the most recent, big chaotic thing, COVID, you know, pandemic, everything rolled shut down right up, flipped upside down. And yeah. You know, we were still here and I know a lot of our students and our community came together in so many ways, but, um, here at Santa Cruz movement, like we continued classes. Yes. Zoom, or then we got to go outside. Yeah. Thank you, California. In that way.<laugh> um, but you know, and, and also, but we just, we didn't, even though we have this beautiful space or, you know, have some equipment there, like the, yeah. We don't, this practice doesn't rely on a specific setup. So it just, it really, um, it's something that you can rely on and you don't need to like constantly feed the practice, like when you need to, you know, perform or compete. And, um, yeah. That's always something you have, have to like do for the yeah. The practice. Yeah.

Speaker 1 14:19

Absolutely. I mean, this is inspiring, like, to be honest, um, just seeing, just hearing how you guys are speaking about this, because it's, it's, you know, I think of genius almost of like something that is cuz like all the things that people consider genius in the world are like, like common sense. Like they're just kind of like, oh that of course that's supposed to happen. Like the theory of relativity. Right. Of course things are relative. Of course, you know, like it's kind of that mentality. Um, but you guys are doing the system that is like in my head like, oh yeah, of course that's supposed to be a thing and you guys are succeeding at it, which is like amazing, you know? Um, primarily it makes me think about, so I have this thing, like everything's connected, right? Because I mean, that was APRI premise of the podcast. When I first started this podcast, it was called like something different. It's called string and chair along story. But like when I was a kid, I like tied a bunch of strings and chairs and I was like, saw the connections between all the strings and I like hit it and I was like, oh wow, everything's connected. Right. This little kid. Right. Um, and this philosophy that you guys are running, uh, reminds me of that, you know? Um, have you guys heard the saying Jack of all, what is it? The Jack of all trades. Yes. Is a master of none. Have you heard the full one?

Speaker 2 15:37

Jack of master of none, but I forgot what is

Speaker 1 15:41

Yeah. Often better than a master of one. Uh, yes. So something like that. So basically, yeah.

Speaker 2 15:48

We're definitely all

Speaker 1 15:48

About that. Yeah. It's like you being a general or being a Renaissance person, someone who's good at like multiple things, but not, maybe not a master at like one specific thing. You know, that saying is like talking about how it's actually good to be a generalist, but in our society we have like hyper focused on being specialists. Absolutely. Yeah. But like one reason I gonna have conversations with a variety of people is because of like, my life has been generalist. Totally. Right. Yes. And that's, and so I think there's this whole, like, you guys are talking about like, not being a specialist, you know, but being kind of like learning the fun foundations of something, but like also like in different things. And that is a big thing to do. Right. Because it's like tons of practice and tons of like multi brain thinking. Definitely. Does that resonate with what you guys are doing Absolut? Yes.

Speaker 2 16:41

Yes. Yes. You are totally correct. And with the specialists, yes. We starting in a young age to become a specialist and you see it with kids that already from a really young age become specialist in, in one thing. And I think it's starting to change also. Cause you see it in sport also in the us. Now there is a lot of, um, talking about being a journalist from young don't push the kids to, to one thing. Even if they play basketball in a high level, there's a kid. They still have classes there that they're working on other stuff and being more journalists cause how much it will help him later on. Yeah. That's a very good approach. And uh, sometimes it can even, uh, take you out of the stuckness when you get stuck on something to take a more general approach to, it can help you to, to come some barrier that you need to overcome yeah. In the practice. So yeah, that's a, that's a very good the airport. It's not easy to do to be a journalist. Cause you need to understand the foundation, little bit of everything and you need to do a good work in order to move to the other thing and really see how they tie together. Yeah. So it's not becoming a, you are not mixing really it. Yes. There is a journey. There is a clear understanding of what it, as clear as you can, but uh, yeah. You are not mixing stuff. It's not just today. We are gonna be a BJJ. Yeah. Tomorrow we go hiking. Yeah. The next day we go climbing mountain biking, surfing, that's becoming a mixing and you go for the experience. Yeah. That's not what we are want to do. Yeah.

Speaker 3 18:12

I'll even add to that also as like the definitely our culture and society is obsessed with like the next best thing or this new fad and yeah. And that, that isn't yeah. It may sound like, oh yeah, I'm trying all these new things. Yeah. All the time. But it's, it's uh, to hyper like, or it's too all over the place you can say and yeah. And certainly isn't yeah, there isn't, it's gonna be hard to find like a, a deeper yeah. Understanding of what you're doing. If you just, um, are like going from all one point to another all the time. Yeah.

Speaker 2 18:47

We can connect it to musically. It's like, you're gonna teach someone today, this song or the other song the next week, another song, they're gonna have a lot of fun to learn all of those songs, but what, what is the, the meaning of it? Like what, what did they get from it? What is the journey? What is the, the, how they can improvise with it in the end? How this is connect to this. That's that's for the experience. It's very nice. I can learn this dance today, tomorrow, another dance. And I'm gonna have a lot of fun, but in the end of the day, what do you get from it? What you can do, how you connect it. Yeah. In the end you can, you improvise. If you cannot improvise with, it's not really your, your movement. It's uh, someone else movement. Cause you, you, you leave it at the, at, at, at the studio, you are not using it. You cannot using, and it's happening. A lot of dance classes you can see, oh, they do a T routine and another T routine and another dance, another performance. But Yeah, they cannot improvise. We

Speaker 3 19:49

Use this process a lot in classes. So

Speaker 2 19:51

It isolation, integration, improvisation. This is what we are using a lot. Oh, okay. So we learn an isolated movement. We learn another movement, let's say a and B and then we connect a B yes. And then we learn another and little more connection and then it's become a, B, C, right. B

Speaker 3 20:10

Or improvised between the, those, and then it becomes more,

Speaker 1 20:14

I'm like getting goosebumps over here. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 20:16

Then after furious in this practice, people already can start, uh, improvise. And it's not easy. You can ask, uh, dancer or<affirmative>, you know, as a musician, maybe, you know, it's not easy to improvise. Yeah. It's uh, maybe it's the hardest thing. I

Speaker 1 20:29

Think, I think everyone has their strengths. Right. Like one of my strength is being able to connect things. Right. Like obsess, I get obsessed with things. So like kind of like a version of isolation, right? Like kind of like, I got obsessed with jazz, for instance. Right. I'm not, I wouldn't say I'm a good jazz player because<laugh>, but like I got obsessed with it. And then I got obsessed with the classical. Then I got obsessed over thing. And in each one of those moments, I dive deep into it. I didn't just surface level. Right. I dived like really deep into it, which allowed me to like, I, for me, like my practice was doing like, um, soundtracks, like movie soundtracks, because it allowed me to be like improvise and variety of different styles. Right. Um, and this also reminds me and I I'm, I'm just trying to pick what you guys have said. Cause you've given me this humongous download. Right. Um, of this process, which I think people feel in their fields. Right. Like when I was boxing, you know, you would do like a one, two, and then usually after two, you would do like something over here, right? Like a three or four upper cut. Sorry. I use numbers three upper cut. You know, something like that because your energy's already over here. Right. And when you understand that depth of movement, next thing, you know, it's like, you can improvise because you kind of know the, the, the energy movement. Right. You don't, you know, the fundamental of the feeling,

Speaker 2 21:49

The hard thing to do with it is to research, as you said deeply. Yeah. Not a lot of people. And also myself. I am not a good, uh, researcher in this kind of, uh, thing. So this is why I have a teacher and I cannot do it by myself alone, all of it,

Speaker 3 22:06

Researching the process or also

Speaker 2 22:08

Topic the process and go deep into it and do a good research and really understanding not as you said on the surface. Yeah. So really dive deep in understanding what it is. Yeah. That's very hard thing to do. I don't think many people can do it and so many topics. Right. Yeah. Right. It's not easy. And, uh, this is why though is always, you say, Ingen amazing this, this how we came with and how we open it so nicely and still clearly, and you are not lost in it. Yeah. You can get lost, but

Speaker 3 22:39

It's part of it. It seems obvious with this, why it's so important always to us, to like, I mean, of course give credit, but mention Edo and our other teachers as well, because it didn't just come all of a sudden. Oh yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Like we were talking about, and I always knew this. It's like, no, it, they unraveled something and, and you know, it, it, and then from there it becomes easier to, I would say maybe pass it on to others because of course then we lived it. We went through it. We experie did for many years, worked really hard at it and then have a process that becomes, yeah. Even, I don't know, over time, a little bit more, you learn more like efficiently how to, how to teach it to others. Yeah. But how we got it in the first place. Yeah. He, you can say he's like a genius in our, in our eyes. I think

Speaker 2 23:29

We cannot do sings alone. That's the problem as humans. Exactly. We need, we need, we need help. We need the, yeah. It's not, uh, it's not easy to do it and yeah. And to do it with efficiency also. And when, because we are doing so many things in classes, so many different disciplines, we, we don't have the luxury to spend the waste our time. Yeah. The, the exercise should be very clear. Cause then we jump to another subject. Yeah. We don't, we don't have the time to waste. We not just doing boxing gear. Yeah. And we are 20 years to learn boxing boxing. That's yeah. That's not. So this should be very clear. The breaking down should be on point and that that's the beauty of it. Yeah. That's part of the,

Speaker 1 24:11

I love the humility that you guys have in the awareness of, cause that's true. Right. We all are, are, you can't do anything alone. Mm-hmm<affirmative>, you know, like that's like the biggest illusion, especially in the states. Right. You know, United States, we're like number one on individualist mm-hmm<affirmative> uh, society, like in like all of the world. I mean like according to the host scale, which is like some scale of like social sociology, like we are the ones who think of ourselves first mm-hmm<affirmative>, you know, if you go to another culture that is like more rooted in like community yeah. Ask them like what their favorite food is. A lot of times they'll describe a food that their family has made. Right. Or like some like connection to family connection to community. Well, on a United States, we're like, we're trying to find the most special thing, right. To be like, oh, this is like, oh, I like this special kind of sushi that does this. And you know, all these weird individual things. And so like, I, this, um, perspective of community, right. This perspective that you can't do it alone, you know, you need guidance. Yes. And I think, um, you know, when I, when I reflect on music, right. Um, I had a lot of guidance, you know, I had a lot of teachers, a lot of different teachers who taught me weird different ways of looking at music, you know, that helped like me become the musician I am. Right. Right. And so, you know, I appreciate that like sentiment there, you know? So I guess something that comes up because from what I'm just gonna be real, I'm just gonna pivot a little bit. Mm-hmm<affirmative> um, I see your classes and I'm like, oh, I can't, I can't come into a, a class who just laughing. No. Cause I'm just like, I'm like, uh, yeah. Even when I see, even, even when I see the, even when I see the students who are like, who, who think they're not great, um, I'm like, you know, I'm, I'm a big guy, you know what I mean? And I'm like working on my, myself body image has been a thing for my li whole life know, um, weight going back and forth between things like that. Mm-hmm,<affirmative> exercising all these different things. And so when I see something like this, I'm like, oh, that looks so cool. You know, that looks so fun. I want to be involved. But there is like this level of like insecurity, right. Where it's like, you guys are doing some crazy stuff often here. And I'm like, Ooh, I don't know if I would be able to do it. So do you guys do, um, do you guys help people where they are at, or like, like how do you, do you guys think about that?

Speaker 3 26:38

Oh, absolutely. I really find, I know we find it's, um, very important for us to, I don't know how to get it across without saying it and then showing it, of course, through our students. And then of course, through social media, however else, or if you walk and see the classes that hopefully you see different bodies, different people, different genders, different ages, different. And I, and, and there are many places of fitness around town or yeah. And, and other movements that people are doing dance. Yeah. Um, that have some variety, but, and obviously Santa Cruz in of itself is not the most diverse place, but, you know, I just, I mean, they have some, some variety there in terms of who's coming to class, but a lot of times it's very, you know, specific. Yeah. There's gonna be like, it's all men usually are like a yeah. Um, or it's just women, same thing or whatever. So it, it does seem like, um, yeah, it seems like that in most places around town and here, we really do want to welcome anyone and everyone. And you do see that because we have the range of between 18 to 73 is our oldest, you know, in terms of age. Yeah. Uh, yeah. And definitely all different genders and yeah. I mean, it, they're, it's showing that it's different here. Right.

Speaker 1 28:00

So, so is it, is it, um, sorry to interrupt, but I'm just gonna that, um, So you have a, you already have a diverse people. So this is like, I'm, I'm kind of like

Speaker 2 28:13

You, you are right from what you're saying and it's look little bit intimidated on Instagram. We

Speaker 3 28:20

Definitely,

Speaker 2 28:21

And,

Speaker 3 28:21

And we try to show some nice looking stuff.

Speaker 2 28:24

We need to that sometimes it's looking nice also, but the real thing about it, it's a place to walk on yourself. Okay. That's the only reason to come here. There is not any other reason. And this is the reason we opened this place. Or the only thing is to walk on yourself. There is no performance in the end of the, no one cared about if you can do it or you cannot do it.<laugh> In terms of like the group. Like, because I explained this because now we are gonna do one subject. Maybe you're gonna be the best in this subject. Yeah. The best in the class. Do it easy. Yeah. Yeah. The easiest

Speaker 3 28:59

Thing, and the ego will go a little bit bigger from that.

Speaker 2 29:02

Not the ego, even, even without the ego, you can do it. Great. Of course. And then we gonna switch. We're gonna switch the, the, the theme of the class. Yeah. Now after you've been the best, you're gonna become the worst in the class. Yeah. And that's happened a lot of time. Yeah. Some people have a great time doing, let's say the flow movement, moving on the flow. Then we moving to strength. Nothing there.

Speaker 1 29:23

Yeah.

Speaker 2 29:24

Then you can see it a lot. I, I see. So, but then what, what nice on this, that people are not getting, you know, they don't care so much if they're good or not. And other people in the class also don't care. Cause they that's

Speaker 3 29:35

What I meant about the, you

Speaker 2 29:37

They're gonna, they're gonna gonna switch it some, so maybe you're not gonna be the best or now you are worst, then you're gonna be better on the other thing. Yeah. So this is first when we are switching the thing, everyone don't care about it. And, and with the time you get more used to it. Yeah. Cause in when you do a new work, probably you're gonna be suck in the beginning and that's okay. That's understanding. No one think you're gonna be amazing for the first yeah. Time. And the other thing on working on yourself, you are here for yourself. Yeah. You start somewhere. What we want to see is you wo wasn't able to do something mm-hmm<affirmative> and then you overcome it and, and you can do it in the end. That's that's the real thing. Yeah. Doesn't matter what it is, where, where you start, you need to still overcome and, and make it and make it there. So this is the real journey and this is what the trans the transformation. And

Speaker 3 30:28

Then

Speaker 2 30:28

That's what the, and there is, and there is no, um, performance. There's no audience, you don't do it for anyone. So that's

Speaker 3 30:35

What you mean about it for yourself. Yeah, of course. There's people, you, you start to, you know, it's a communion it's group cloud, us led what happens here generally. So, uh, you come and you do have those, those relationships that you build here. So of course you come to see some people that's part of it, a thou that's just the, um, result of it. But like you said, it is completely for yourself and that's what this, this practice, what we're trying to do here. Like you said, again, it's to each time you're going to face a new challenge. Yeah. And you're either going to be broken from it. And that happens to all of us. And that's what I also meant a little bit about the ego of course, is like, that might tear you down or whatever. Um, but we try to, you know, get past that faster and eventually, without giving crap, if you know, you look good or not. Yeah. But, um, yeah, that's a huge starting point is just getting through the door because you're going to each time come up, there's gonna be something else that you won't find you're comfortable with or yeah. That, and this

Speaker 2 31:36

Is very Power from a, a strength place to, to train and embark is from a place that I like it. I'm having fun. Yeah. I CA I come here for, uh, transform myself and then to be able to do things that I didn't do tomorrow, yesterday. Right. And yeah, that's a very strong point to practice. Not from a place I'm good on it. I'm having fun. That looks good. And eh, let's continue to dive deeper into it until I, it a wall in some, in some, in one, in some point. Yeah. So people get used to having new walk, new walk on themself, new walk on body. And as you see, as we become older and it's getting, um, more and more in a younger age that we are not learning new movements. Mm-hmm,<affirmative> so much, we are not encounter new walk and, and that's becoming, we, you, you get stagger, you get, uh, more, less mobile, less playful, a lot of stuff you are missing there and it become a problem. And you see the problem. Now, the society, that's very hard to be playful. Yeah. Be caring for other people. You become very selfness

Speaker 3 32:45

And yeah. It's, it's, I know at one side, we're saying, you know, you come for yourself. And then on the other side, we're saying, and be like, playful, be able to interact with others. Cuz a lot of the work we do here is partner work. And even during COVID we still manage cause with the distance, we still like had that interaction anyways. But partner work. Yeah. Touch, uh, you know, whether it's more from the Marshall, uh, layer as well or, and in many other ways, um, there's a lot of that. There's a, that's a huge side to it. Cuz again, you can't do anything alone forever. Yeah. You know, you need people to push you as well. Um, yeah. So there's, there's two, there's those sides to it. You come for yourself because you know, you it's Your individual life, but you also have to have the outside chaos, whether it's people, object, whatever to, to build on as well.

Speaker 1 33:38

Oh man, that beautiful. And I think the, God, I love what this cause I, you know, cause I, you know, I own a music school. Right. So I teach music or, and then I have like a school and one of the things that I pushed like from the beginning was like, we didn't have recitals.<laugh> like in the beginning, um, I know it's weird, right. For a musical, not to have like recitals. Right.<affirmative> but I really wanted to because when I was going like learning music, a lot of it was like, I wanted just to better myself, where I wanted to just express myself. I didn't really care as much of like the performing aspect mm-hmm<affirmative>. And when that came into the picture, it was really interesting. It was like, you knew of this performance was coming up and you, you wanted to get this down. So you would perform for an audience and this is kind of nuanced and different. But like, then that became the motivation. Right. Mm-hmm<affirmative> like, I need to present this. I need to show this to the world. Right. And I see that in a lot of like even CrossFit, something that seems like it would be, you know,

Speaker 2 34:42

More competing, the

Speaker 1 34:43

You're competing. Right. Because like you go the cross, I did CrossFit for a while and you know,

Speaker 3 34:48

Move the shoulder there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 34:50

Right.<laugh> switch of the eye, move the shoulder, hold my knees. Um, uh, yeah, it was, it was interesting cuz there's like now CrossFit games, right? There's like CrossFit thing. There's Spartan rate. Right. You know, all these different things that, that is geared toward. Yeah. But it's a competitiveness, right? It's a, it's like a look at me I'm showing off. But you, when I'm hearing you guys speak, you're guys speaking about like the journey, right? The process, the, the actual yeah. Work like actually bettering who you are as a human being, rather than like doing it for competitive reasons or for like showing off or doing this in front of an audience. Is that, am I hearing that correctly?

Speaker 2 35:33

Yes. The attention, the awareness to stuff, the detail. This is what we are a lot about because performance and and dosing will come to an end in some point and you will not be performed. And if you do it for money, the money will stop in some point. And then what would you do? Are you still continue or not? There is no money you will not do. Oh,

Speaker 3 35:55

I mean, yeah, totally. Sorry. You can go. Okay. I was just gonna say, I was gonna say that I also, you know, love going to performances, so it's not to VASH that, but this practice is definitely yeah. Not geared towards it. Um, and I'll say just to go on the topic of like money or success was never the orientation, you know, at what does success mean? And for us it's um, just not a good thing to chase after. And it's like you said, the journey and building more the awareness of yeah. Of what your, what your center is, what you can come back to. Cause for example, when stuff, when hits the fan and, and you know, something's turned over, what are you gonna do if you, so you're not able to perform anymore, then what then what do you do with yourself? And, and this is why having this foundation of, of in this practice that gives you so much that you're able to do no matter where you are and what's going on is more, what we're constant after. Right.

Speaker 2 36:59

You can see also doing COVID what's happened. How many practices dissolve, disappear, doing COVID to doing COVID because they cannot, they relying on some, uh, some external stuff, like, uh, kind of a vibe. It's a, if it's African dance class, they need the, all the, the bombing. And there is a big vibe and tribal vibe to it also. That's amazing. But um, if you cannot do it, what you will stop dance because there is no bombing now. And there is the, all they all set up or hot yoga or BJJ that you, another person. So a lot of stuff becoming, oh, I don't have another person. So no, I don't have the setup. I cannot do. I stop my practice. Yeah. And that's a big Nono in our practice. Cause there is always what to do. If you wanna practice. Yeah. Try something. You will never be needed to stop everything. Right. Then that's what we, we believe in, in that it's always somehow to walk and still transform yourself. And yeah. That's an important part of also to struggle. Yeah. That's also a big part. Usually when you struggle, you are aware and you are in the moment. Yep. If you are not struggling, you get it too comfort. Yeah. That's the time that bad stuff are happening. If you are struggling in a way that you can maintain the struggle, it's not gonna break you. Yeah. It's amazing place to be. And we try to be there. Yeah. Every day

Speaker 3 38:24

In the classes as well in the classes bring the chaos.<laugh>

Speaker 2 38:28

Struggle as much as we can in a good way. And, and this is your life can be transformed. Um, if you have a, what's the name of it there for that. If you depressed, depression can go away from it very quick. If you do it in the white dosage a little bit. And uh, yeah. A lot of stuff can be,

Speaker 3 38:49

Yeah

Speaker 1 38:49

Man. Oh, I was just gonna say like, this is really mirroring how to like be in life. Right? Like this seems to be a very, like, almost specific, or I don't know, like a direct comparison to how people should live, you know, being adaptable, being able to be by like strengthening all the parts. Right. Mm-hmm<affirmative> continuously and almost continuously breaking down the ego a little bit. Mm-hmm<affirmative> you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 39:15

Definitely. Uh, this is it's yeah. We say that we, this is a life practice. So it's interesting. You just said that. Yeah. But we, we do try to, to, uh, bring it towards that more and more. And what did I wanna just say now about how the STR oh, you said, mentioned earlier looking in yes. It, or you see maybe something that's intimidating. And I mean, again, that's a very common thing we do here. And I think that's a huge part is because of social media and what we just put out there. So the shiny looking stuff. But, um, it definitely isn't that. And then we'll, we'll have the other side though. People will look in, they see us in class again or online or outside or wherever we are and they'll of course label, oh, it's weird. Or, you know, what are you doing? And it's so stupid looking or whatever it is. And you know, that doesn't matter, but that might, might stop them from coming. And usually it's because yeah, because the ego, um, because like, it's, it doesn't, it seems like there isn't anything there, but there probably is something there. If there, you know, trying to run away from it, usually

Speaker 2 40:19

We swag people try to change everything else. Mm-hmm<affirmative> from outside the outside reality and not change themselves. Yes. And that's, uh, helping a lot in every place you, you move and you move to live somewhere else in order to, to change something. Yes. And you switch a car to a new one to change something and you switch the exercise to do something else. It, the face, the, the, the only thing that you really need to, to change is it's yourself. When you realize it, you can do everything and you can walk with almost anything. That's the only thing when you realize. But sometimes it take time to people to realize the, they don't need to change anything from the outside. You are gonna be the same one doesn't matter where you live, doesn't matter what you do, change yourself. And, and yeah.

Speaker 1 41:08

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that, that is, I think another thing of like a result of our society. Right. You know, um, capitalism, consumerism. Yeah. You know, I, I did a post recently about that, you know, where, like you like to do something, we feel like we have to be the, like our physical thing. Like, so go hiking. I gotta wear, that was an example, like gotta wear like north faith jacket, how to go in your thing. Nice shoes. Right. But like here I am going out with like some cheap new balance shoes and like a crappy hoodie and like, you know, this kind of thing, because it's, you know, it's not about the external, right. Like you're saying, right. It's it's about like, just choosing to do the thing mm-hmm<affirmative>, you know, and

Speaker 2 41:49

How to change yourself inside the

Speaker 1 41:50

Scenario. Yeah. I mean, that's be beautiful. Um, so on, on that note, I feel like I could talk to you guys for like forever. It's like ridiculous. But, um, um, on that note, um, what, how, how has this movement changed your, your life? Like how in your like everyday life, how has this like ideology's philosophy? Do you have any personal stories, ideas like that?

Speaker 2 42:16

Uh, first you feel more connected to your body mm-hmm<affirmative> and that's a big thing. And from there, the awareness to the body, the awareness to how you move the awareness for other people. And another big thing is that the freedom to move that's a lot of people talk about the freedom of speak, the freedom of a lot of things, you know, in, in them and all, but the freedom to move. It's a big, big, big one. Yeah. Not a lot of people have this freedom in the body to, to express themselves and move in so many waves and so many different scenarios and be able to adapt with, yeah. Not to break under the pressure, but to adapt into it and again, change yourself into the scenario and go for it. So this is the, the, the big thing, the transformation to, to be able to be an adaptable person to, and then it's affect everything. You can be, you are in the bank now, when something happen, you, you, you, you can adapt several whatever happening outside. So

Speaker 3 43:18

I would just say on that, um, well, one definitely the mind, we didn't maybe mention it enough, but all of the physical, you know yeah. Part of this practice. Yes. But the huge part as well. And it's the other side to it away is the mind and the more the stillness of the mind. Um, yeah. All the internal somatic work that, um, is involved here. Um, yeah. And so that, that's been a huge change personally and, and, um, I would say for, for a lot of people and, um, and that carries on to your life in every way. So, you know, patience with<laugh> with people and what's going on and, and, um, yeah, and just having, just having a more, a more awareness with what's around you and

Speaker 2 44:13

Be less reactive also,

Speaker 3 44:15

It's a big thing. Yes. Um, not

Speaker 2 44:17

To react to every little thing, you can see those things coming, you can react or not react that's up to you. You are not just reacting for first.

Speaker 1 44:28

Yeah.

Speaker 2 44:28

That's a

Speaker 3 44:28

Big little thing

Speaker 2 44:30

Change in the past year. I think that we are doing some other work with reactivity in, in our practice, me and Le so yeah. A lot of stuff from this

Speaker 3 44:39

Perspective. Yes. And one other thing, when you just ask this, um, question, what has it cha it's? I certainly also, it's opened my eyes to, um, I Don to any, to how much I appreciate, um, people, you know, in their craft, as much as we're all about, you know, general being a generalist for sure. In, in the practice. But I also, um, have a big appreciation for people who really like own their th and they're, you know, um, really immersed in it. That's a hard thing to do these days again, cuz there's all the distraction and all the different things going on and the, the like all over the place. Um, I certainly felt that from a young age, like being able to just, just to be able to sit still as hard and um, yeah, I, I mean, and, but so anyways, so too, so all the distractions going on, but in the end when someone is like, it doesn't matter what it is, you know, if they're making a dish, you know, I don't know pottery or yeah. Or from a yeah. Music, musician artist, it's just someone fully in, in it is, is, uh, like just, I it's, um, a cool thing to see these days. I feel like, yeah. Maybe it isn't as common.

Speaker 1 46:01

Yeah, absolutely. I think there's a lot of wisdom too. You know, when I see someone who's like really good at what they do. Um, and I know this was mentioned, like they're improvising around that is amazing their ability to see the things that really amazing, you know, it really, it's a beautiful thing, right?

Speaker 3 46:18

Yes. It's not sitting in comfort. I mean, they're, they're constantly going at it, but, um, yeah. It's a combination of being fully in something yeah. That thing, but also still being able to adapt evolve.

Speaker 2 46:34

Yeah. Doesn't matter what the thing is. Yes.

Speaker 1 46:36

Yeah.

Speaker 3 46:36

Again.

Speaker 2 46:37

Yeah. Yeah. Our teacher said that, um, you can do a really good thing very badly and, and it's, it's gonna be a bad thing. Yeah. And you can do like a very bad thing. Really good. And it's become good.<laugh> Oh, you can do a good thing. Great. That it's still great. But uh, that's the thing. It doesn't, if you engage yourself with a good thing and you do a bad job there. Yeah. It's still a bad thing. Yeah. And you can engage with something that's not, let's say so high that you think on and you do an amazing thing there. That's gonna be still amazing. Yeah. So this is up to you, what you are, um, taking it from

Speaker 3 47:17

Yeah. How you look at it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 47:18

Can bake bread and be amazing.<laugh>

Speaker 5 47:20

That's amazing thing

Speaker 2 47:22

Or whatever. Yeah. Whatever that you do, that's up to you there.

Speaker 1 47:26

Absolutely. I think that's like that's timeless wisdom, you know, that's, that's, that's a thing. Okay. We're gonna do the second power question round. We have, we have time. Yeah. Great. Awesome. Um,

Speaker 3 47:37

The sun is coming out too.

Speaker 1 47:38

I know it's, it's a trip. Um, it's been raining all day, you know, for our listeners who have no idea what I'm talking about. Um,

Speaker 3 47:46

I know I just inserted that.

Speaker 1 47:48

No, you're good. Um, we

Speaker 3 47:50

Don't live in a dungeon. I promise.

Speaker 1 47:53

Do you guys, so, um, do you have any quotes that you live by or think of often? I guess that's like the first one.

Speaker 3 48:00

I mean, quotes like from the practice are gonna come up. Like, you know, every day is fine. Day.

Speaker 2 48:06

Every day is fine day. That's a good one. We say, um, Remember yourself, it's another one that you remember while you are here and, and what you need to do and how to do it. That's also another big one who

Speaker 3 48:20

Was that? Oh yeah. Okay.

Speaker 2 48:21

And yeah. Tough.

Speaker 1 48:24

I mean, those are great. And like now I need to ask questions about spines, um, by the way that, uh, the spine wave, you guys do that. I don't know what it's called. I just like, okay. Um, that is hard. Yes. That is very, yes. I like, that's why we do it. I was like, I was like, I'm gonna try to do this. And I was like,

Speaker 3 48:45

Perfect thing to take

Speaker 1 48:47

Like totally. Right.

Speaker 2 48:48

You what we saying? There was exercise on one movement that we will do. It'll be a spine thousand percent and those waves. Yeah, because we always said you can live without a arm. You can live without a leg. That's okay. You cannot live without a spine.

Speaker 3 49:02

That's the perfect.

Speaker 1 49:04

And if

Speaker 2 49:05

Your spine is moving nicely and correctly and you can separate it and it get there and you can not the bridges and the flexibility so much more the softness, as you said, the waves. Yeah. And the fluidity, that's the spine. That's a good, that's a good and healthy spine in there. If you can do all of those things and it, it doesn't require any strength. You don't need to do a push up in order to do it. You Don to do a chin up, you know, need to do it one leg. What in order to do at that.

Speaker 3 49:32

And the benefits from it are long lasting. I it's, without a

Speaker 2 49:36

Doubt, age 20 until I don't know. As old as you, you can be. Yeah. This is every day can be walking on. It also can be improved every day. Yeah. Yeah. And this will be the quality of life that you get from me that, wow. I don't remember when it's the last time I had a back pain. Yeah. And we are training you every day. Right. Training, teaching, moving for six hours a day. And I don't remember the last time. I, I think most of it from, from this

Speaker 1 50:05

Yeah.

Speaker 2 50:05

This stuff that, the softness of the spine and this will,

Speaker 1 50:08

Yeah. I mean, that's, that's wonderful. And that, I'll probably ask you some more questions about out that afterwards. Good. Um, because, uh,

Speaker 3 50:16

I'm just number one thing.

Speaker 1 50:17

That's a good one. It felt like tapping your head and rubbing your belly at the same time kind of stuff. Like it didn't feel hard.

Speaker 3 50:23

Yeah. It's a tion. It's a coordination. I go first, it's sequential. It's difficult. It's not

Speaker 1 50:28

Easiest for our guests. It looks like they're doing like the worm while standing up or something. You know, that kind of a wave. Yeah. That

Speaker 5 50:33

Kinda dance movement. All right. So let's see.

Speaker 1 50:39

<laugh> what is something that you guys, uh, believe that other people think is crazy?

Speaker 3 50:44

I saw that one that I heard. Yeah. I heard, I remember this one being asked on your previous podcast

Speaker 2 50:53

To practice, like how we practice every day. People think it's crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 50:58

Yeah. Because they think that we're maybe again, see only the candies and like coats, because like, yeah, they look or we're doing these pushups or we're doing like a, we're sorry, we're doing acrobatic stuff, hands down, you know, something like this, that's kind of like flashy looking, but that's not what we're doing all day every day. But, uh, yeah. So when we say move every day, people are like, what?

Speaker 2 51:20

<laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. They heard that, that we are training for six hours a day. Almost

Speaker 3 51:25

Like our practice,

Speaker 2 51:26

Our practice teaching and, and everything. So it's become, wow. It's not healthy. Oh. But, uh, I can, I can.

Speaker 1 51:35

Yes.

Speaker 2 51:36

But they don't, they don't know usually what's happening there. So this is why they're saying it and it's okay. But, uh, again, your body is not here to move three times a week, 30 minutes and time. So,

Speaker 3 51:49

And again, we're saying, yeah, our practice will look maybe different than others, but again, it means like literally, you know, going for what basic things too. That's and again, when we say move

Speaker 2 51:59

It, we sitting still those spine movements going in our, well

Speaker 3 52:02

Yeah, yeah. Moving every day, people think, oh, CrossFit class. And they're like, what? I, that's not what we're saying. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 52:08

Oh, I mean, I love it. And I love seeing all the things too. Um, like balancing the things on the foot. Oh yeah. And like the juggling or the, the bouncing of the tennis balls. And I, I guess I could see that being looked at as like a little crazy if someone was like looking in, you know, but then, but then when you try it, you're just like, oh my God. Like I was trying, just doing one hand. It was, it was good. Tell me then I try. I do both. I swear. I got one.

Speaker 3 52:31

Tell me about,

Speaker 1 52:32

But I heard you guys talk about rhythm. I was like, okay, so it's a beat. Right. So, you know, I just like

Speaker 3 52:38

A lot in it. There's a lot in it.

Speaker 2 52:39

So we are engaging in withal work like this, and sometimes it's a withal. Yeah. Sometimes when you play with a partner, you, you don't know what rhythm it is. So it's a lot of time breaking the rhythm and then going back to like, those

Speaker 1 52:54

It's very nice. It sounds like martial arts right there breaking the rhythm. Mm-hmm<affirmative> um, I have a, a mentor. He's a friend. I I'm a mentor, I guess. Um, but he, he he's learned like martial arts from all these different people. People who've turned Kung Fu and Katta into, um, and like dancing, like hip-hop dancing into like their own martial arts style. You guys should meet, meet these people too. Um, and he'll always, when I was training with him for BCA training with him, for boxing, like doing a boxing match like years ago, and he'd always be like, you know, look at their rhythm, you know, and then figure out ways of using energy within the body to like break their rhythm, to like, you know, distract or scary. Totally. And it was, uh, yeah, he kept, he always, it was fun sparring with him cuz I was just like always, always failing<laugh>

Speaker 3 53:40

But I would like to think that, so we have a few musicians for sure in our classes, amazing drummers and yeah. Um, and they are very good when it comes to some rhythmical work. But then when we use the rest of the body, like you mentioned, even with an object, like a tennis ball or just, you know, uh, tapping like, you know, different body part tapping with this beat and then chain, but a D friend beat with this body, or, you know, whatever. And it's so hard and it, and it's really hard just because they're a musician in this way. And they're very good at that. Yeah. Getting the, being in, following a rhythm there, it doesn't mean, but the rest of their body pick it up quickly, but I'd like to think that there's like a crossover.

Speaker 1 54:22

I think there may be sooner or later. I remember like doing the like, well, you're a musician, this should be easy for you. And I was like, no, this is not easy. Um,<laugh> what new belief behavior has most changed your life Recently?

Speaker 3 54:37

Yeah. Uh, new believer. Um, wow. My mind's going blank right now.

Speaker 2 54:46

Maybe. Uh, what we talking about the reactivity before the reaction since COVID happened and a lot of stuff happened in the us also, there was so much tension and, and people react to everything so much and everyone have opinion on everything. So maybe to be less reactive to take a step back and it, again, dive into the practice. And that is what we was that was happened to us. You like little bit okay. Take a step back. Don't react to anything and

Speaker 3 55:15

Yeah. Cuz yes.

Speaker 2 55:17

Right. No, don't

Speaker 3 55:18

Over then

Speaker 2 55:20

Over, over react. Yeah.

Speaker 3 55:21

<laugh>

Speaker 6 55:23

But again, yeah,

Speaker 1 55:24

World

Speaker 2 55:24

Went crazy. We were like,

Speaker 3 55:26

We can go with it or we can try and, you know, um, slow down for a moment. But also, um, or in the moment I also would say, um, that for myself, oh, like setting boundaries, it connects to it, but yeah. Being, um, where to place energy and time and um, and then really be able to say, you know, no, I need to step away now or yeah, yeah. Or, and leave it. Um, and that's like been huge because we're all, yeah. We keep very busy, very, very grateful for the busyness. Yeah. And also I like crave the boredom grave, you know,<laugh> a grave was just like, you know, needing to like

Speaker 1 56:13

Stillness

Speaker 3 56:14

Or stillness for sure. And I mean, we do get that from this practice again, but I'm also in other like life things, you know? So, um, you just, we live in reality. Like we, we have our taxes and our things that we have to do and you, right. So, but um, yeah, just it's simple, but it's not necessarily easy to do. And you wanna please people and you wanna, you know, it's yeah. It comes back to doing what's best for you because in the end then you're going to be better for others.

Speaker 1 56:50

Absolutely. Absolutely. All right. If you feel overwhelmed or on focus, what do you do?

Speaker 3 56:55

Hug my dog.

Speaker 1 56:56

<laugh>

Speaker 3 56:58

Have a big M dog.

Speaker 2 57:01

We will use. I, I love of time. The park is again. Yeah. Always, always go back to it.

Speaker 3 57:06

Cause I just wanted to change it up a minute.

Speaker 1 57:08

<laugh>

Speaker 3 57:10

Yeah. But it's true.

Speaker 2 57:11

That's true. You have a practice and this is the time to rely on it when, when you are not focused. So let's say we will engage even in, uh, withal task one in that we talked

Speaker 1 57:21

Before. Yeah. Right.

Speaker 2 57:22

It it's. We have those starts that you need to be, you cannot do it if you are not focused. Exactly. Yeah. But you can, you can do it, but you need to be focused. This is the intensity that you wonder. Yeah. Mm-hmm<affirmative> that, that it's not crushing you. Cause then if you're not focusing, you try to engage in something too hard. Not gonna work. You wanna be engaging in a place that you are, you need to focus, but you can still do it. Yes. So then after 10, 15 minutes an hour depends on much. You need the, you can also switch the tasks little bit. Yeah. Clarity will be coming back. Focus will come back and it's uh, yeah, you can do it for a day. If you need the few days a week, a month and you again, transform yourself in this situation again. Yeah,

Speaker 1 58:04

Man. I love the dedication to the practice. Like this is, it's like really a life thing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 58:09

Yeah. Di said before it, this is a life practice. Yeah. This is when you need to shine. Not when everything is good.

Speaker 3 58:14

So yeah, we, we said that before, or maybe we didn't really like touch on it. Definitely. It's not a time. So in this I'll even give the example of a, um, you know, having a, having a meditation practice or some, or a, you know, breath, work, something to work on that that brings you more into this stillness state. Um, it's not really, we don't begin this practice when you're in the storm. You know, you, you want to build that and have that foundation to lean on when things are really hard. So yes. Um, it, it, isn't just for when things are great and fun, like you, you should be able to do all of these, this practice should be there when you yeah. When you don't feel good, don't feel good. Yeah. In the hard times. Not just the good times, I,

Speaker 1 59:02

I guess, is there any times where you guys are, you know, feeling, you know, like you can't do the, the practice, you know, is there any times like where, where that like feeling comes in like

Speaker 3 59:17

A specific drill,

Speaker 2 59:19

You know, you will be, you know, needed to lay down and then, you know, raise your arms, but, uh, yeah. That's that's

Speaker 3 59:25

Happened. Yeah. Or I would say like, yeah. I mean, you mean like if I'm, if there's a task that we're trying to do and we can't do it, I mean, that happens all the time, but you mean the practice

Speaker 1 59:33

Itself in general? Cause I mean, I know, I, I know it's a lifestyle thing, you know, mm-hmm<affirmative> but I, but I also understand like the nuances of, of life. Right. You know, things don't, maybe I'm just, I don't understand the practice enough

Speaker 3 59:45

It's no, no, you,

Speaker 2 59:46

You got it. Yes.

Speaker 3 59:46

We live in reality. We're not living in a bubble like we have. Yeah.

Speaker 1 59:50

Cause sometimes I want to, I want to achieve that idea, you know, but then sometimes I'm just not and you know, that could just be, you know, me, but yeah.

Speaker 2 59:57

I would say sometimes you need to put the mind off to eat bed food.

Speaker 4 1:00:02

Yeah, sure.

Speaker 2 1:00:03

The stupid movie. Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:00:05

That's

Speaker 2 1:00:05

Part of it. Yeah. We all living. We are all a machine and we live in a reality, so, uh,

Speaker 3 1:00:10

Yeah. Happen. Yes. I, yeah. I mean, I would say that, um, that of course, like what does help is that there's this routine. I mean, again, this is what made us like, um, open a space of our own and then, you know, again, community and, and, and running classes, you know, we'd run classes maybe in the, of course in the very beginning, I don't know, maybe a few people or came or something. Cuz we were building keep hitting beautiful micro<laugh>. Maybe, maybe, you know, it's the very beginning we opened, um, you know, new classes here only moved back. Uh, cuz we had been running classes before in Tel Aviv anyways. And so yeah. So, but we showed up every day. Yeah. It doesn't matter. Yeah. Um, so that like that routine is there, but of course there are times when you're gonna do something that um, I mean I don't think it's bad. Yeah. I don't think it's bad to yeah. To like watch something silly or yeah, yeah. Or eat something bad or whatever. But um, that

Speaker 1 1:01:06

Can change. You guys have any guilty pleasures of your own<laugh>

Speaker 2 1:01:11

It's like also, can you, you can look at this as a teacher or sometimes you are, you, you are not motivated and you feel bad and you still need to come to teach a class. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 1:01:22

And, and sometimes it transforms, you know, when you, when you teach that class oh

Speaker 2 1:01:26

Yes. Love the teaching. But also sometimes you're super motivated. Yeah. You come to class and you see, most of people wanna commit suicide

Speaker 1 1:01:34

<laugh>

Speaker 2 1:01:34

And uh that's that also can happen. You come super motivated, but you see the class down

Speaker 3 1:01:40

And you're like,

Speaker 4 1:01:42

Guys, oh man.

Speaker 2 1:01:44

That's that's kind been on both.

Speaker 1 1:01:45

I like what I trained teachers. I always tell'em about that. I'm always like, um, like one of our principals at the school is to be adaptable. Right. Flexible. Because you may come, you've like planned this whole thing. You're like really excited. You're like, I'm gonna get this down, you know, and you show up and everyone's just like,

Speaker 7 1:02:02

Right. Uh,

Speaker 1 1:02:03

And I don't wanna, you know, oh, you're gonna do, you know, and that's the time when like sometimes you may have to adapt your, your method or strategy or whatever. Totally.

Speaker 3 1:02:12

You know, and a lot of times some will just continue to be that way. And that's their problem, you know, you try not to let that get to. And then a lot of times, you know, it does also change their mood in the mood. Of course. And you see that it, yes. Yeah. You're right. You have to, you just have to go with the flow of it.<laugh> of what's in front of you. But um, but definitely that's part of it. Um, part of

Speaker 2 1:02:32

Teaching

Speaker 3 1:02:32

And

Speaker 2 1:02:33

Focusing.

Speaker 3 1:02:33

Yeah. Showing up no matter what,

Speaker 1 1:02:36

You know, do you guys have any book or films that you guys would recommend somebody to watch or read?

Speaker 2 1:02:44

Um, yeah. We have few

Speaker 3 1:02:45

<laugh>

Speaker 1 1:02:46

Um,

Speaker 3 1:02:47

Shoulder

Speaker 2 1:02:47

Pain. A good movie will be meeting with remarkable men. No,

Speaker 1 1:02:53

That's

Speaker 2 1:02:53

A good one. That's books die wise. Oh, that's a goods. A amazing one

Speaker 3 1:03:01

Tribe. Yeah. Sapians SAP Tribe.

Speaker 2 1:03:05

The exuberate animal also it's

Speaker 1 1:03:07

By Seth

Speaker 3 1:03:08

Goin. Um, it's Sebastian. Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:03:11

Okay. So that's another younger.

Speaker 3 1:03:12

Younger. Yeah. And what about Phantom toll booth?

Speaker 1 1:03:16

<laugh>

Speaker 3 1:03:16

That's my favorite. Like if I'm gonna go off topic for that's even off topic it's it's just kind of a, what is it? Dad's favorite? The Phantom tool book.

Speaker 1 1:03:26

I've never

Speaker 3 1:03:26

The kids book<laugh>

Speaker 1 1:03:27

Oh yeah,

Speaker 3 1:03:28

But it's I don't know. I mean, I still read

Speaker 1 1:03:30

It like it's no, I mean, kids books are sometimes the most

Speaker 3 1:03:32

Wise. I love it. Oh, I want you to read it. Yeah. All the other ones you mentioned<laugh>

Speaker 1 1:03:37

Oh man. Um, oh yeah. What advice would you give yourself? 10 years ago?

Speaker 3 1:03:43

Oh, don't give a crap. What people think of you<laugh> give less of a crap of what people think of you.

Speaker 2 1:03:51

Um, continue to UN unpack and continue the journey. That's what I would.

Speaker 1 1:03:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:03:56

Yeah. I wouldn't change anything, but

Speaker 1 1:03:58

That's, that's beautiful. Um,

Speaker 3 1:04:00

Definit,

Speaker 1 1:04:01

What is something I laugh at my own questions. Uh, what is something that people often get wrong about you?

Speaker 2 1:04:07

That we can do everything? I don't think it's a

Speaker 3 1:04:11

Behind not,

Speaker 2 1:04:13

But people, something. Sometimes we talked about it before

Speaker 3 1:04:16

Class

Speaker 2 1:04:17

To class and they think we can do everything because we are the teacher. They

Speaker 3 1:04:20

Didn't see the behind the scenes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:04:21

Send it in this way. But again, they don't see that in our part. Most of the time we are sucked. So the thing that they think that we can do everything, but we are still struggling. And also, so yeah, that's the, that's what you don't see in Instagram and dosing, so right. Yeah. Can

Speaker 1 1:04:39

Be,

Speaker 3 1:04:41

Yeah.<laugh> nothing.<laugh>

Speaker 1 1:04:48

That's good. Um,<laugh> what is the worst advice you ever received?

Speaker 8 1:04:56

I dunno.

Speaker 3 1:04:57

Mm. Like probably to, um, um, do something for, yeah. What like looks good on paper mm-hmm<affirmative> or what, you know, um, society deems like, um, yeah, successful again, coming back to that kind of, it's not like it's the worst advice, but it was just so you know, um, externally, uh, you know, talked about and like tried to, I see it in a lot of people and certainly for myself, that was what it was so important, I guess. Mm-hmm<affirmative> and so then it had, you know, you caused myself and I'm sure others to not go after things that they really yeah. Should spend their time on. Cause this life is temporary<laugh> but anyways, um, yes, I would say, you know, just like any advice that that's been given that really isn't something worth like isn't doesn't have much, you know, meaning, meaning yes. Thank you to it in the end maybe.

Speaker 1 1:06:01

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:06:02

Um, maybe when people told us not to move to the state from Israel. Yeah. That was the, they said because they, some people, because we used to, we used to have walk there in Israel. We had a solid group. Yeah. A lot of clients, we made the nice money and they say, why, why would you move it somewhere else? Yeah. No one know who you are. No one is waiting for you. You don't have any, you don't have a job there. Yeah. And why would you risk all of this? You build such a, we, we built such an I thing in Israel, so I, yeah, there was,

Speaker 1 1:06:39

Yeah,

Speaker 2 1:06:39

There was some people telling me. Yeah. You need to think, you guys need to think about it again. Maybe, maybe it's not.

Speaker 3 1:06:44

So I think also the idea of like starting over, you know? Yeah. And that's what people, you know, again yes. It's like you want, you have something you're comfortable, you have the financial stability. Mm-hmm<affirmative> kind, you know, it's so expensive to, I don't how stable was, but yeah. I mean, it was, you already had something

Speaker 2 1:07:00

Reputation.

Speaker 3 1:07:01

Why would you give that up? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:07:04

Right. Who do you think of when you think of the word successful? This is fun. Yeah.<laugh>

Speaker 2 1:07:11

First. We don't, we don't like this so much. We are going after,

Speaker 1 1:07:15

I guess it's your own personal view of success.

Speaker 2 1:07:18

I think it's<affirmative> so you can say little about Thedo, how he shaped is

Speaker 3 1:07:22

Well you success, you can say. Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:07:25

Yeah. So our shape is successful. And what does it mean for mm-hmm<affirmative> for him to be successful and how it's impact us to be more engaged, have more meaning into life. Yeah. Going, transform yourself and more those think this is successful to be interested on stuff and

Speaker 3 1:07:45

Yeah. Living fully

Speaker 2 1:07:46

So less about

Speaker 1 1:07:48

Material

Speaker 2 1:07:48

Mm-hmm<affirmative>, you know, outside again, outside the material to, to help you.

Speaker 1 1:07:53

So do you have anyone who you think of who are living in those principles?

Speaker 2 1:07:57

Yes. Many of our, um, mentorship, people that are,

Speaker 3 1:08:02

Are like colleagues, you can say, who have schools, like who have a yeah. Schools and studios like this, um, in their places, in their homes, people are

Speaker 2 1:08:12

Helping themself again, inside the partisan, not relying on, on,

Speaker 3 1:08:17

You know, and helping others

Speaker 2 1:08:19

Toys. And then yeah. Those, those things, those two people we can relate to them. And in this, in this case.

Speaker 3 1:08:24

Yeah. And the other thing was, I think I mentioned it too, is like someone who is really yeah. Again into their crowd. Like we have, I don't know people coming who or amazing artists or like an amazing, um, yeah. Musician or something. And they're like, so in their, in their craft, in their, um, thing that they're doing, and that to me seems like a good way of living and yeah. Is like

Speaker 2 1:08:51

Successful and they're still open to new stuff.

Speaker 3 1:08:54

Yes,

Speaker 2 1:08:54

Of course. And they are not in their own mountain only and

Speaker 3 1:08:57

Living alone. Yeah.<laugh> yeah.

Speaker 2 1:08:58

So it's, uh it's. Cause they understand we are still human. We are living in a body. We need to, we need to move it and, and, and interact with others. It doesn't matter if you don't like to move or yeah. You are living in a body then that's uh, and that's the thing you're not living from there up.

Speaker 1 1:09:15

So yeah.

Speaker 2 1:09:16

That's another thing that we are trying to, to help you.

Speaker 1 1:09:19

Oh man. That's that's uh, it's good. Um, if you put anything you wanted on a billboard, what would it say?

Speaker 2 1:09:30

Move because you can,

Speaker 1 1:09:31

Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 2 1:09:34

Le

Speaker 3 1:09:35

Every day is slim day.<laugh> again. Um,

Speaker 1 1:09:40

I feel like we need t-shirts that say that?

Speaker 3 1:09:42

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:09:43

Speaking of materials, right?

Speaker 3 1:09:45

We do. Yeah. We need more merch actually.

Speaker 2 1:09:49

Oh, I will put the logo of<laugh>

Speaker 3 1:09:53

Sorry. Funny things. Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:09:59

All right. Here are the two, um, silly ones. I don't know. People push me time, not called silly. Um, what's your astrology sign and do you resonate with it?

Speaker 3 1:10:09

Oh God. We are really

Speaker 2 1:10:11

Right. Well, that's my about in English out to say,

Speaker 3 1:10:13

Oh, okay. Aquarius, I think, right? Yeah. February. So, and I'm cap brick horn. Mm-hmm<affirmative> yeah. I will say I am really not, you know, don't know much. I have a few people in my life who are really into it and I should, I would like to hear their thoughts, but I guess from a few people who've said some things like it resonates, but I'm not sure if it, I'm not sure if it was correct. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I don't know much about it.<laugh>

Speaker 1 1:10:42

Sorry.

Speaker 2 1:10:42

I'm the same with Lia. So

Speaker 1 1:10:45

People

Speaker 2 1:10:45

Said some stuff and it's, some of them was in ATS, but uh,

Speaker 3 1:10:50

Yeah. Would you know how to,

Speaker 1 1:10:51

Oh yeah, I got obsessed over it. You know what I mean? It was one of those other

Speaker 2 1:10:56

Yeah. People get really? Yeah,

Speaker 1 1:10:58

No, I was just, um,

Speaker 3 1:10:59

What's

Speaker 1 1:10:59

Yours. I'm a Sagitarius, which just means I'm fire and, you know, uh, curious and I mean, at the end of the day, it's kind of like everyone has their different signs and different archetypes. It just, it helps with like, sometimes it resonates. Sometimes it doesn't, you know, like an Aquarius, right. They're uh, their, I, their, um, the stereotype of Aquarius is like idealistic mm-hmm<affirmative> right. Big vision person, um, wants to live up to the ideas that they have, you know, they're called the water bear means that, you know, water is always kind of the symbolic, uh, representation of spirituality and emotion. Um, so they hold it. They're not of it, so they're not of water, but they can hold it so they can separate themselves from like drama, emotional things, like things like that. And there's this easy sense of like, I can be above water, right. Where I can be above emotion, spirituality and things like that. And so the Aquarius gift is being able to like, they, they can talk about taboo subjects really easily because they, they won't get involved. Mm-hmm<affirmative> like emotionally in it. Um, the con is when, like being in touch with your emotions, that's always hard with Aquarius is right. That's like the, the con of the Aqua survive is like, you know, um, they can look at it, look at their emotions, but like being like, I'm actually feeling this. It's almost, it's a hard thing. I understand. I got Aqua smooth. Yeah.<laugh> yeah. Um, yeah. And Capricorn, oh, oh man. Capricorns are like the, the, the movers and shakers. Right. They're like the doers, right? Like, like organize usually. Um,<laugh> um, that's like their, their thing, right. Um, yeah. Really driven. Like also I look,

Speaker 9 1:12:46

That's why he's saying yeah.

Speaker 1 1:12:47

You know, um, wow. Uh, driven. That's nice. They have, uh, again, the, the emotional as spec is interesting with Capricorn cause their earth sign like air sign makes sense. Why emotions would be at DHS? Cause you're thinking it's a thinking sign. Um, Capricorn's about like being involved with things. So it's like, um, com compartmentalizing, like being like, oh, this is not the time to feel this emotion I'll feel that emotion in like 20 minutes, you know? Um, or that organization, organizational structure. It's good for getting stuff done. Yeah. You know, it's good for like showing up every day at work. It's good for like being Capricorns are the only sign. I know that if I bring up astrology, they're the only signs that have been like, actually I resonate more with a Leo or actually I resonate more with uh, they'll give me yeah. Um, and I'm like, interesting. Huh? Interesting. Like, it's like, it's a cool sign. They're like the ones who can do things. It seems like, you know, they're like, if they want to change something about themselves, they can just like, they'll, they'll go through that effort and like make it happen on a fundamental level. So I like to, there's a skill there we've

Speaker 2 1:13:56

We can also, you can look at this in other perspective, people who like to work with their sensations. Yes. Yes. People like to work with their emotional and people like to work with their mind and thought

Speaker 1 1:14:07

Exactly.

Speaker 2 1:14:08

So this is more like, you know, people have their essence if they born with it and then the personality will come. So yeah. You have all of those games and you can, it it's becoming to another topic for another hour, but you can, you can walk on your personality and you can walk on your essence. Yeah. But in, in the civiliz we are, it's more the personality, less essence. Yeah. Should we go back the tribe more? That it's more essence there and less personality. Yeah. That's right. And as a young kid, like as a young, someone is born yeah. Is born only with, Essence's no personality with, to a baby in the beginning. Yeah. So it's not becoming

Speaker 3 1:14:49

Another,

Speaker 2 1:14:50

Another

Speaker 1 1:14:52

Oh yeah. No. I mean, that's like, that's my jam. You know what I mean? Like

Speaker 3 1:14:55

Right. You had you also, are you, were, are you a mental health counselor or

Speaker 1 1:14:59

That, yeah. So I was a, I was a mental health counselor for a while and archetypes, you know, the essence of someone right. Versus personality. Like the thing that you grow into and based on life experience and all that stuff. Right. Right. And it's really interesting cuz like, you know, you can teach someone based on their essence or something, but like what you really want to be doing is seeing how they, they, they understand the world, you know, and that comes from the personality, you know, mix. It's like a mix.

Speaker 2 1:15:27

The other, the other thing I think is to go the essence and personality together. Yeah. To do both in both ways to, to, to develop. Yeah. Not just in one.

Speaker 1 1:15:36

Yeah. It's like, it's like accepting your, your strength and who you are at the same time as accepting the part of you that is always shifting and moving and that kind of

Speaker 2 1:15:46

You also in classes, you can see people who are more engaged with one of them. Yeah. People who like to more with them emotional and people like, uh, more to do sensations and uh, people like to work with their thought also. I don't do you know where JE

Speaker 3 1:16:02

Yeah. JE go Jeff. Oh, that's the sitting with remarkable Ben.

Speaker 1 1:16:07

Oh, um, yeah. Oh my God. I haven't heard that name in years. Um, he there's this piano who did a composition for his teachings. Yeah. And I, I studied him and the pianist and I, I got deep for a while into Jef. It's hard to yeah. But it's been so long. I'm like, now I'm gonna have to go back in. Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:16:28

So look

Speaker 1 1:16:29

Into it.

Speaker 2 1:16:30

He's talking a lot about also he's connect to our practice. Yeah. A big inspiration in terms of the sensation. You're talking about the, the, the FAIA you have the FAIA the sensation, the one who's working with the body. Yeah. And know everything through the body. Yes. The one who's working with the emotion and is the monk. Yeah. Mm-hmm<affirmative> that they have a lot of faith and you see always also in religion, people are, they stick and get into this alignment from religion and, uh, the Yogi, the one who is working with the mine and the thought so, but what we try to do is combine all of them, of them. That's the hard part to yeah. To not just go far in one. Cause then the other will be maybe too late to walk on. You know, if you, if you neglect your body and you just went into the, the, the, the

Speaker 1 1:17:17

Emotional

Speaker 2 1:17:20

Be too late, maybe to

Speaker 1 1:17:22

Work on this

Speaker 2 1:17:23

And this is, but that's another conversation

Speaker 1 1:17:26

That's customer. Okay. We're gonna have to do another one folks. Some I'm a, I'm sorry, but this is gonna happen now. Um, because I have way too many more questions and needing answers. Mm-hmm<affirmative> and I, yeah. Okay. And so the last part is just what you guys, your last words, so you guys can both say something, whatever you want to say, where, where can people find you? Where last words of wisdom it's, it's your, it's

Speaker 3 1:17:52

Your game? Well, I'll just say, uh, that our, um, classes are running daily and that the first class is free for Santa Cruz city, you know, county residents. Um, and yeah. And everyone is welcome in class. If there are any questions before always can email us info@santacruzmovement.com and you can find more information on our website, um, Santa Cruz, movement.com and yeah, we're next to the buttery.<laugh> the people know that landmark seriously. Yes. Yeah. That's crazy. So, uh, seven 30 SoCal avenue in Santa Cruz.

Speaker 2 1:18:25

Yeah. Um, same as Lila. And also we are gonna do in next week in some serious on, uh, body preparation and that's a very nice place for people to start. We're gonna perform and exercise and then they can follow it and do it very simple. Yes. Breaking down. Then you can see that it's for all levels here. Yeah. Yeah. And there is always a breaking down to the exercise. So in any level you can do those exercise. And even again, if it's too much, you're gonna switch exercise or even break it even more

Speaker 3 1:18:56

Yeah. Approach it in a different way.

Speaker 2 1:18:57

So there is always what to do and that's a nice way to start to engage with us if they are to I intimidate to come. Yeah. They can check the

Speaker 3 1:19:05

Instagram exactly. To be posted online. Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:19:07

Yeah. Do you guys have something on your website? Like, cause I know I go on your Instagram, but, and I recommend everyone. Was it Santa Cruz movement? Yes. Yeah. Just Santa Cruz movement.

Speaker 3 1:19:16

Um, our Instagram handle. Yeah. Because

Speaker 1 1:19:17

They have a lot of cool exercises on there and it's just, you know, you get to see kind of cool things. And like they were saying before, don't be intimidated by, um, some of the cooler, uh, more like acrobatic or whatever your, your vibe is. Um, a lot of learning going on behind the scenes. Um, but is there anything on your website that is similar, like YouTube or any kind of thing that, yeah,

Speaker 2 1:19:39

We have a few videos there. We have the explanation more about the practice wording. Okay. There is videos. Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:19:46

Yeah. There's some and some of our, yeah, exactly. Like past, um, something we were like written up, been the good times, you know, a few press

Speaker 1 1:19:53

Things.

Speaker 3 1:19:54

Oh yeah. That's right. And then this will be linked as well there eventually, but yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, we have, um, yes, a few like pieces there explaining what we do, but Instagram has been probably one of the best places For

Speaker 1 1:20:06

Us. It's amazing. Yeah, it is. And your website's just San Cruz movement.com. Correct. Okay, cool. All right. You gotta check them out. Thank you guys for coming on the podcast. Thank you. You so

Speaker 2 1:20:16

Much for being here.

Speaker 1 1:20:17

Yeah. You know, I appreci appreciate your

Speaker 2 1:20:18

Time.

Speaker 1 1:20:19

I appreciate it. Um, this has been speak for change podcast. I'm your host, Thomas H better, a

Speaker 10 1:20:24

Wonderful day.