Also, why we need to stop hating on the G. rosea (rose hair)
https://amp.thecalifornian.com/amp/85677326Also, why we need to stop hating on the G. rosea (rose hair)
https://amp.thecalifornian.com/amp/85677326Good morning everybody, this is Tom Moran from Tom's Big Spiders on a special Tuesday edition basically because I went ahead and recorded my last podcast on Thursday of last week and then when I went to do the replay and to edit it up and add the, you know, the music and all that stuff and get it up, there was some weird noise in the background. My voice wasn't sounding right. I'm not sure what the heck I did, but I've tested this out a couple times now. It sounds fine. I'm wondering if maybe my computer was rumbling or something of that nature, but I almost put it up because I really had a good streak going with hitting that Sunday deadline for every single one of these and I didn't want to miss it, but I also didn't want to put something out that sounds like garbage, so I decided to hold it back. Unfortunately it means me recording what ended up being a 50 minute podcast rerecording a 50 minute podcasts and I'm not really relishing doing that because listening to this I kind of hit some points well the first time, and I'm going to have to wait a little bit, put some distance between it so that I can have the same type of energy the next time. So that topic will be put aside for the time being. However, while sitting there trying to decide what to do instead of it, because I literally had a game plan and now I can't follow it, I came up with an article that I'm going to go through because I just think it kind of epitomizes how bad misinformation about tarantulas is spread and how easy it is to find that information about tarantulas from people that seemingly know what they're talking about. And um, I'd mentioned before that my phone, I have Google, I get my news on Google because it tends to just latch onto the types of things that I enjoy looking at. And I don't usually like the doom and gloom news first thing in the morning. And the Google thing, my google news feed is just all the fun things that I enjoy reading about some movies and music and things of that nature. And now I've got it. So it's pulling up a spiders, which is fantastic international. So I get spider articles, trenchill articles, youtube videos, exotics layer video came up the other day, which I thought was really cool. And then I've got this article that is about Pako a red nature. Angela native to Mexico in case you didn't know it was in the California. Now unfortunately this one was published June 10, 2016. So apparently the google newsfeed is not the most current news feed. I was like all up in arms and gonna email this guy immediately after reading this article and then I saw the date and I was like, all right. He probably forgot he even wrote it, but it goes a little something like this particular red knee to Rancho is native to south western Mexico and is among the largest varieties of this beneficial spider. Beneficial. Perfect. Right off the bat I'm like, you've got my attention. You may not be using scientific names, but this is kind of an article out to the general public who doesn't understand scientific names. So this is perfect. The native habitat is arid scrubland, where they usually build their tunnels near some cacti or vegetation again. Great. And then there's a picture of somebody holding a Brucie Peloma, MRI or Smithy. Depends on which one is. This is a, of all the tranches. The Mexican red knee is the friendliest one I've ever dealt with. Sam had said, but they don't like to be handled. I Guess Charlie, Sam, if you look at this, a caption underneath the photo is works at a zoo, the Monterey Zoo. So immediately people are going to read this and go, well Mr Sam, it works at a zoo. Obviously he knows what he's talking about. Obviously this is going to be good information and this is when I start to get a little upset because things take a downhill turn pretty soon. So we have the friendly Tarantulas, the friendliest one he's ever met. Gladys probably only met new world species. Um, but then he says, but they don't like to be handled. So. Okay. We got some good information. He's not immediately encouraging handling. And again, I don't wait until the handling debate. I see both sides of it, but I do not personally, I don't think we should tell people they have to be handled and a lot of people will tell you, oh yeah, you got to handle the transfer, pick them up. And there's that Guy Jungle Jack or whatever the heck his name is on Youtube. He has a youtube channel that he flips them around and doodles and all kinds of stuff. That's just absurd. But uh, so, so far I'm reading this article and I'm like, Hey, this isn't bad. This is really good travels. Have an exoskeleton suite. They do. Charlie Sammut, director of Monterrey zooey said, oh, there is. I jumped the gun. That means there's no cushion on there outside. If they get dropped, it breaks and they die. Okay. Well yeah, if you drop the abdomen break. So again, good stuff. Tranches are fine as pets for skilled hobbyists but not for the general public. I got to stop you there buddy. Um, I think we just went into how easy this hobby can be in why I think these guys make great pets, that I don't particularly agree with this statement of law. I think this is somebody that's trying to make it look like they're this, you know, incredible exotics, handler, wild animal handler, and that these things, you know, not for the general public. I disagree. If you get the right type of spider, they're good for anybody. They're just about as dangerous as a, say a German. My, my brother had gerbils instincts with bite all the time. We try to hold them in. Rachel could do the same thing where they have them, but if you're doing an old world species, it's not going to be that big of a deal. Female Tarantulas could live 30 years, but the males only survived for about five and they live a long time. Yeah, I didn't. Again, it's not. This is a layman's article, so we'll go with it. Um, I have my female g porterie that we'll be getting to in a moment who I'm guessing is probably well over 30 years, but we'll get into that. A males, depending on the species, can go more than five years, but I mean this is good information. I think somebody that for the most part that doesn't know much about transfers would be interested as Pako is going on six years. He's probably a female Wonton Wonton. There we go. No, there's no way to tell what is sex is you can have. These are very slow growing species. Um, I talked to somebody who had a male jeep or Terry that was going on 12. That's not how you sex them. So again, a little misinformation right there. When you order a transcript from a breeder, they are all shipped in a pill bottle. They are so small, they are called spider legs. He said good. You have to search for them inside the container. A No. If they're wrapped appropriately, it should be fairly easy to find. They don't just stick them in a bottle that I'm waiting around. They pack them with toilet tissue or paper towel and usually pull them out. Anybody it's watched my rehousing videos or order a sling before. I know this isn't true, but this is again, I would even say this, not quite accurate, is pretty good information for somebody that hasn't kept one of these before. Then go to a pet store and buy tiny baby crickets called pinheads. You drop a couple of pinheads and some water in the pill bottle twice a week and eventually this tarantula gets larger and larger. Uh, okay. Let me go back and reread this here. When you order a transfer from a prepared, they are shipped. Okay. Well usually they are shipped in the pill bottles, but if you're going to keep them in the pill bottles as their forever home or at least until they outgrow it, then you need the pull out the stuffing and then put the substrate and. But yet. Okay. Good stuff. Good stuff. And I liked the fact that he alludes to than being so small that they would be housed in vials or dram bottles. That's great because that's something that a lot of people don't understand it first and I know a lot of people to get something so like, oh my gosh, what am I going to keep it in? That's a perfect enclosure for small selling. So again, when getting one of these articles, and this is kind of fun for me, I like going through and figuring out, you know, how, how good is this article as far as information is, is there anything that's damaging and so far no, the little, some of the things could have just been lost in translation when the guy was getting interviewed, we don't know that it was this Sammut guy that knows this stuff, who knows? But overall there's some good information. This is something that might intrigue somebody that was interested in. Was it going well? The belt look up more of these. So let's continue to see how it goes here. So when you mentioned the exoskeletons and the exoskeletons breaking, I'm assuming he's referring to the abdomen which can rupture if they fall. So that's great information right there. So let's read a little further in Mexico. The red is now endangered in the wild. Many of the native population were captured and sent to China for their gourmet food market. Now, I have to admit this could be true. I haven't heard of this before. From what I had gathered, a lot of them was a were gathered up for the pet trade when they realized they could make money from it and a lot of them were terrified of Tarantulas back in the day and they would kill them on site because they thought they were harmful to people. So I. I had not heard them being sent to China for gourmet food, the gourmet food market. I'm actually going to google this in a minute because I'm kind of intrigued. I know China does get sent a lot of weird things that they find have medicinal or magical properties to it. I did not hear about the financial end, but I'm gonna. I'm gonna. Look that one up. Others are believed to us to come to pesticides through a systematic killing by locals in the mistaken belief that spiders pose a threat to humans. We had a big article years ago about how in Mexico that was this, um, one village in particular was talking about that they were terrified of transfers, so they would go out and hunt them down and kill them, and then they found out that there was a trade for them that the us, it's crazy. People in the US will actually buy them as pets. Then that changed and they became a commodity, but that they did use to kill them all before. So that sounds fairly accurate. The Mexican red knee tranche was easy to breed and is not in danger of complete extinction. Um, I have not tried to breed them yet myself. Somebody else can chime in on this, but I do believe that we get quite a bit, so they seem to breed well and easily. The female spin silk around fertilized eggs and carries them in her fangs until they hatch. She guards them for another two weeks or so until they're ready to leave the tunnel. Again, not bad at all. Like all arthropods, tarantulas have to shed their exoskeleton. They turn over on their backs and pull themselves out of their older, smaller skins and leave it behind. Should they have lost a leg, it will regrow and be available during their molt and it's also a way to shed parasites and fungus and to rejuvenate sensitive hairs. So again, more good information. This is shaping up to be a fairly decent article on that. There's nothing in it so far that is really causing you to cringe and go, oh my gosh, it's terrible information. They do not eat immediately after molting and may not begin to consume anything for weeks as their fangs are part of their exoskeleton, they must wait for them to hardened sufficiently for them to hunt. Beautiful. So we've gone from like kind of a bubble gummy type article that's given some basic information that they're given some good stuff here. Like this is stuff that people just getting into the hobby would need to know. Santa saves the skins for demonstrations and the zoos education programs and as they so closely resemble a living tarantula, he sends them to Hollywood. Should a script call for squashing a tarantula. Wow. Ms Dot guys apparently got some connections. That's actually pretty cool. It wouldn't have thought of that. I don't know how many Hollywood movies out there are squishing tarantulas and how many of them are seeking this guy out, but that's actually fairly entertaining in nature. Tranche was dig tunnels with single entrances and one or two larger chambers below. They will often wait inside the tunnel to attack passing pray. When it's time to lay eggs, they will spin a web mixed with dirt and close off the entrance. Inside the chamber. They will molt their exoskeleton, which can take a week or so and wait for their new and the hardened. Again, excellent information. New World Tarantulas have what are called eradicating hairs on their abdomens, which they use as a defense mechanism. If threatened, they can kick these hairs into the eyes and facebook would be Predator causing significant pain. These hairs irritate the skin and are similar to stinging nettles in the plant world. So again, I love it. I'm reading now, imagine I'm sitting here. It's Monday morning. I'm drinking my coffee, I'm getting ready to ride off the school for the first day. Well, it hasn't started yet, but I have to go in once over the summer and this article pops up and as I read it, I'm honestly, if I'm being truthful, waiting for something to go wrong, it's just usually the stuff that they come across, you know, the general media that they're not particularly good, but I'm reading this going, all right, this is great. I'm going to shoot them a little email and thank them for their time and for shedding some light on these guys. This is fantastic. So no, let's continue. They have eight eyes located about their heads and can see in all directions, but they can't see very well. I'd put that part in the trenches. Like all spiders have poison venom, but it's not of a potency to endanger humans. Well, the new world's not potency to endanger humans. All worlds won't kill you, but for some of them you'd want to die. Now for this point, I am going, this is a great article. I'm going to share this on my facebook page. Maybe you know, shoot the guy who wrote the article, a little email thanking him for it because you really don't see this many good mainstream financial articles for somebody obviously did their work and got some good information and then we get to the end of the article and this is where I was just like, what if your[inaudible] go off their food? It said sometimes the only way to get them back eating is to feed them another tranche lot. Yup. Let that one ride around a little bit. I'll read it again in case anybody missed it. If you're torrential as goes, if you're[inaudible] goes, no, no. It was having a hard time feeding this grammar suffered a little bit. Here goes off their food, Sam. It said sometimes the only way to get them back eating is to feed them another tour. Angela, it stimulates the whole process of eating again. They are carnivores and they liked to eat insects, crickets, frogs and mice, and that is the end of our article, so we really saved the best part. For last. I had my mind blown. I had been in the hobby for quite a while. Um, I got my first transplant and the nineties and again, I wasn't in huge into the hobby until later on, but I had done a lot of research on them in the nineties. I'd picked up any trenchill books. I could find articles and reptiles, magazines, things of that nature. I have never heard of somebody and please maybe hobbyist who had been in this longer. Maybe this is an old trick offering a tarantula to another tranche, Angela, to stimulate eating. That is one of the most absurd things I've ever read that completely undid and negated any good information in the rest of this article as far as I'm concerned, because some poor son of a gun is going to get one of these species that naturally fast they're going to go, well, it's not eaten. Guess I got to go get another tranche and feed it. Like, what do you do? What speed? I don't even understand. We're like, how do you even do that? Do you go out and shop for like, well, I want a juvenile because I don't want it to be killed by it, but, and I want a cheap species, so I'm guessing things like Albert[inaudible] and lps would be the type of things you'd feed your transfer to begin eating. Again, I don't think what I'm thinking in this case is that this Dingdong had addressed that wasn't eaten, so dropped another one in which would obviously they're not going to share the same quarters. They are going to fight which is going to cause them to fight naturally defend their territory. One of them will eat the other one. In that case, I guess that's what he's thinking and this is one of the most absurd things I've ever read in an article and it's a shame because up until this point it was actually quite good. So this is in a nutshell why there is so much misinformation in the hobby and why people that come into the hobby seem to come into it with such skewed views of these animals and how they should be cared for. Now imagine that whole article, the majority of it was actually quite good. Even the things that weren't spot on, like about the exoskeleton breaking or whatever, you knew what the guy was talking about. Those of us who have kept them on as. It's great talking about the molding and the fact they may not eat for awhile because Vang's have to harden up. This sounds like a guy up to this point. Now, if you're reading this, you've never read anything about this before and you're reading this article. You're going to think the guy works in the zoo. Check. He obviously knows what he's talking about. A lot of this. No, that's not true. Zoos have some of the most horrendous conditions for tarantulas you'd ever want to see. Somebody sent me a picture not that long ago of the trench will display at a zoo and they had a hemorrhage in a cage. It was about three feet tall with some wood chips on the bottom and then overturned log for height. It was. It was horrifying. So no, not just because they're in a zoo does not mean they know the proper care for him, but somebody, most laymen are going to go out there and go, well, it's a zookeeper. It's his job to know what these animals need. He obviously knows what he's talking about. Then they're going to read a lot of really accurate information. So it's going to reinforce it. Wow. I didn't know that slings can be kept in a vial. That's. That's interesting. Wow. I didn't know that. When they molt, they can take them a few days, even a couple months to studying. That's awesome. And then to end it on, if you're true, Angela isn't eating, feed it another tranche, La, like at what point you pulled the trigger on that. That's just, that's one of the things. That's what you leave your reader with. That's the last thing they read. So you're going to get some poor fool out there that's going to buy a jeep or dairy and go out and it hasn't eaten in a couple of days. I should probably get it in a tarantula feed it so it will eat again. And that's, you know, you can laugh at it, but that's literally what people are gonna think because I've had people email me when they're transplants having eaten like twice and they don't realize that that's not that big of a deal usually. So again, I spend a lot of time trying to educate people about your animals. That's the whole point of everything I do is try to get good information out there and I'm always on the lookout for a good article because it makes me feel better that somebody is actually covering these guys correctly and that there's good information getting out there. God only knows. I don't know if that's a big paper. I don't know how many people google showing that one too, but anybody that read that walked away with a horrible idea for getting a drenching they eat. I can't even fathom that. I mean just billy and I were talking about like what would you do at you hop online and pick up a couple elbows. Would you, would you try out an old world species like, you know, try to spice up. Would it be like getting Chinese food or something like, oh, we're going to feed you like a type of spider or something like that. I just don't understand that. And how a person who obviously does have some good information about your Angela keeping could have put that forth as a solution for fasting. It just blows my mind, but it's out there. It's public. Again, it was written in June of 2016, so over two years ago, so unfortunately I don't think there's really to do about it now, although I will throw it up for people who want to read. I'll have a link in this podcast. I do think it's entertaining, but I would be curious and I would love to continue doing this because I think it's neat to break things down. If anybody finds an article or something that is particularly ridiculous, please feel free to send it my way. I would love to do more of these. It's kind of a lot of fun. Heck, if you find a really good one, send it my way because I'd love to make it public. Get those people some notice and maybe encourage more folks to write accurate articles about your Angela's because this is what's going to hit mainstream news. We're in trouble. We're going to have people buying and ordering tarantulas earning a big female and a bunch of juveniles so they can feed them to the female to make sure she keeps eating, so please feel free to send stuff my way. I love kind of going through these and this one just happened to pop up and I couldn't resist because I couldn't. You know, it was kind of laughing and crying at the same time. I couldn't figure out what I wanted to think about this article because in a way it's so bad. It's funny, but in a way it's terrifying because somebody is going to read this article and think that's how you get a tarantula to eat. So have you ever fed your trenchill and other true Angela to get it out of the fast? Please let me know in the comment. No, I'm just kidding. Please don't. If you have, don't even say it, I don't even want to hear about it. I'm guessing nobody has done this, but if anybody's ever heard of this method before or heard of the time when this apparently was popular, I don't know where the guy got this from. Again, I can only speculate that you realize if you put a list together, even if they're not hungry, they're going to fight and one's probably gonna eat the other one. Maybe that's his line of thinking, but if anybody's heard of this before, I'd love to hear the origin of this wide surrounding trenchless. Now moving on from feeding Tarantulas, tarantulas. I got an email the other day about my beginner species list, which kind of prompted me to do this. Now I. This has been a topic I plan on covering for awhile. I started doing one of my trans myths videos on this one and I need to finish it up because I need to get my two cents into this debate, but it basically went like this. Hey Tom. I was Kinda surprised to see that you have the rows here, Tarantula on your list of best beginners. It seems to me most people believe now that these guys are terrible. Beginners, why did you include this one? This is one of the ones I had to take a deep breath before answering. I know the person didn't mean any disrespect or anything, but there's been a trend in the hobby where we've suddenly turned around and started bashing the Ge Rosea forterra and it sounds like they're just going to all be rosy out. Once they finished, there's people studying them now, the taxonomy and I guess that the consensus is now that they're same species and his red car forum and then the regular one, but anyway, I'll keep them separate. Just for the sake of this portfolio, we'll call them the rows here. We'll even go common name on this one. There seems to be this, this huge movement and it generally appears to come from new hobbyists and I have a theory of why were they talk about how terrible a beginner, the jeep rytary or GE rosacea. The rows here is, and I've even. There was one youtube or that I actually liked a lot, but did a whole video on why they're bad beginners and I disagreed with it completely. A, here's the deal, and I think we can break it down rather simply, are they the best beginner? While I think years of keeping them years of keepers having to deal with the fasting's, the sometimes unpredictable temperaments, things of that nature, we have realized that they may not be the best beginner species. Are they the worst beginners species? Are they a terrible beginning of species? Absolutely not. In my opinion. Again, I always got to put my opinion because it's just my opinion and here's why. Here's why, and a little origin of these guys. A lot of people started with these guys, including myself, because they were so readily available to the hobby. They were importing and exporting model chalet there. Everybody had them. All the pet stores had them. They would get adults who are big brown spiders immediately, something that's going to catch somebody's eye that's coming in, so a lot of them were sold in the eighties and nineties, seventies for people who have been in the hobby for that long and they got a reputation for just being the best beginner species and I think partially due to the fact that they were so readily available, there weren't as many species around at that time. You see what we have available now to us in the hobby compared to back in the eighties or seventies. It's astounding the number of species we have compared to back then, so there weren't as many, and this is one that is bulletproof. It is hardy. The care for it is so simple. Heidel. I can't tell you how many people I've talked to that started off with Rose Harris and joke about the fact that they can't believe the poor thing is still alive after the poor treatment of got not on purpose, but because information was so scarce and because people really didn't know how to take care of them back then. I said before that when I first got my first grandchild, my rows here, my jeep or Terry or Rosa or whatever it's going to be in the hobby. There wasn't much out there. We didn't. The Internet was still in its infancy. You couldn't just hop online and talk to a bunch of keepers, so it was basically books and articles and some of which weren't the best stuff in the world. A pet co, I believe at that time or some pet store handed me out a trifold pamphlet that told me that I had to give it a sponge for water that I had to keep it on. I could keep it on aquarium gravel and then I had the mist it down once a day so it could get a drink. Obviously we know all that caulk on now. We would never do that, but I think because of the Reddit, how readily available it was in the fact that some of them are dark, docile. I get, you know, the cycle rosie thing. I feel bad because I help kind of spur this one along too, because I've mentioned it in a couple of articles. You're going to get any species of[inaudible] that you're going to have ones that are laid back in ones that are crazy. I think the problem with rose, heres isn't so much that it's like, oh, they're all crazy. It's the fact that not all of them are tractable and I think unfortunately, and I know when I got into the hobby, this is what I heard, that they were all very handleable. They enjoy being handled. They would sit in your hand, so what happened? Some poor schmo out there gets this creature. He's read that they liked being handled. They're tame quote unquote team. He sticks his hand in there and the animal has a feed and response and goes out of his hand. Next thing you know what, we have rosie territory or there are some cycle rosie's out. They're the ones that just do not want to be handled. That can slap it. Things that can throw up threat postures. I don't think there are as many of them is people like to make on now that we've got into bashing this particular species. I've even heard, you know, as far as the bashings concern, I. I recently read a comment where somebody is like, if he wish they'd go out of the hobby, which really upset me. I think a lot of what came out of these is as we got more species in, we realized that these may not be the absolute best beginner species. There are other species out there be Alba pillows. Some tend to be a little more, a little less temperamental, little more predictable as far as their behavior. The jeep polk appease the weightless species read obviously a species that is very laid back and most people will report incredibly docile specimens. Species like those, the ecampus strattice. Those are ones that are in the hobby now that many people realize might be a little bit better off. They offer a more predictable temperament while offer also being pretty much bulletproof and they also don't have that tendency to fast. Part of the problem with the Chileans Chileans species and specifically the grandmas stole a Proterra and Rosanna when the big issues was the fasting well read an article years ago that talked about the fact that they're basically their internal time clock to tell them what season it is was messed up. When they would move from there, would be plucked right out of the wild and brought it to the u s and put in different climbs. It would mess up that internal clock so you get them fasting at times that they would normally fast when they were down in Chile and wouldn't eat and people would take that as a sign as it was something wrong because all the conditions were right. It was warm. They didn't understand it, but that was part of the issue and now that we started raising some of these and captively, we've seen less of an issue with it, but that is a huge issue. Anybody buying, and I think that's one of the things that would be a knock against them, that anybody buying a rose hair would likely at some point keeping this animal have a point where it's not eating and that freaks people out. I'm very fortunate where, knock on wood, 22 years now, I've had mine, she has never fasted. The only time she hasn't eaten is when she is uh, had had it coming recently. I went to feed her and she didn't need the cricket and I actually freaked out a little bit because she had just melted a, I believe, two and a half years ago. And before that it had been seven and a half years before she had melted. So I wasn't expecting a molt coming and she stopped eating and I'm like, oh no, this is it. You know, this girl, we think she is probably over 30. When I got hurt, she was already about four and a half inches. She was a wild caught specimen. You got to figure the growth rates there wouldn't be as great as they normally are in captivity. So you've got to figure it took her a good many years to reach that size in the wild. So we're thinking probably least upper twenties. I've had her 22 years. She was good size when I got her, she's still going strong. But anyway, I came in the other day and she melted, completely surprised me with them mall because I was not expecting one for, well quite frankly several years. So that's the only time she hasn't eaten. So there are ones out there that will eat well. There are ones out there that do have nice temperaments, but again, it's that unpredictability factor. So I do understand when folks say, all right, this, there are still some lists out there that lists that species as the best beginner and I wouldn't agree with that. I don't think it's the best. But to say it's not a good beginner species that I also don't agree with, I think they can make good beginning of species. I think people need to be aware of the propensity to fast that needed. That's important. But that can happen with other species as well. I've mentioned the GE poker piece. I bought two g poker piece slinked and these are guys that have moved up on those lists and are considered to be very popular. I bought two slings that basically fasted for six months when teeny tiny slings are about a third of an inch. They disappeared for the entire winter part of the spring and finally came up and started eating again. Now, hadn't I been in the hobby? Had I not been in the hobby for awhile and recognize the behavior is probably fascinated. That would have freaked me out. So there are other species on the beginners list that will fast, but I think they're less likely to do so, especially as adults. So to say that they shouldn't be include I think is ridiculous. I I've heard again the negative, and I think this is where it comes from. When I first started getting really heavy into the hobby and doing a lot of research and getting on the blogs. People on the blogs would often be like, oh, you don't want one of those. They fast all the time. They are not good beginner species. Get one of these instead. Get one of these and I think people, they got new, the hobby kind of saw that being that it's almost like they see bashing the rose hair as a sign that they're becoming legitimate keepers and I've had a couple people like, oh yeah, well I used to think this, we're good species, but now I know better and I tell everybody not to bother getting them. Dude, you've been in the hobby two weeks, knock it off like it's. I think a lot of people just regurgitate, and this is again, one of the issues I have with the spread of information in this hobby. They hear somebody that has been keeping for awhile, bash them so they turn around and immediately decide that's the thing to do. So then they start doing it again. I think that's a big part of it because I'd never seen a particular species get so much hate and it drives me nuts like people, oh, I would you want to portfolio? I would you want to rosacea because they're awesome spiders. I will tell you right now that if I had to get rid of all the transfers in my collection and only keep one, yes, so I'm keeping the queen, my rosie or the one who started off. I love that animal and granted a lot of sentimental value, but guess what? She was an awesome beginner species for me. She survived my miscues. She has been around for the birth of three of my kids. She's still kick. I mean it's just, it's amazing that spider to me and I know a lot of other keepers who have been in the hobby for quite some time that their first tour, Angela was it rose hair and they will say, I love my rows here. Some people have more than one. I have two right now. I got another baby at saying forever to grow. It's about four years now, four and a half years, and she's pushing a whopping maybe inch and a half if that, maybe an inch and a quarter. The other common argument I hear against them is that they are just boring pet rock brown's spiders. Who wants one of those? That's going to turn people off from the hobby. I actually heard that in a video and I really resisted the urge to comment. I don't like starting stuff up and public. I just find there's no use in doing stuff like that, but I. I strongly disagree with that sentiment. If you haven't kept a transplant before, they're cool pump. Sorry there. What could be cooler if you haven't kept aspired before. Then a big brown spider sitting right there. It's your so in awe of the fact that you have a five or six inch or seven inch spider there. You're not really looking at the Va. You don't want to jumping off the walls. That's going to freak people out. For me, if mine had been more active, it would have terrified me. I needed something that would just sit there and be calm when I would do, would change his water dish or when I take some boluses out or when I needed something that would be calm and I think a lot of people, it's a great spider. The have. It's out in the open at all times. I've never had anYbody, and I can say we've had a lot of people come to our house over the past 22 years, whether it be our first apartments or our home or one of our two homes and come in and they never go, oh, that's boring. It's just a brown spider. They're fascinated or terrified by it, regardless of the fact that it's just sitting there regardless of the color. So I find that just ridiculous. No, they're not that boring and then if you find them boring, you can always get into the other species later on. But I literally had a guy comment on one of my videos when somebody said that they were going to get a rose here. They were trying to get a rosary and I don't get one of those that are boring. You want to get a c libertas because those are cool. They're blue, they're nasty, and I'm like, dude, if you keep one of those right, you're not going to see it. How is That? I mean, I love pet holes, don't get me wrong, but talk about boring. They're not just sitting there, they're sitting there underground and you don't get to see them. I don't understand that, but here was a guy that just, I think wanted the thrill of keeping something that could be potentially quote unquote dangerous. And he went on about how they got nasty attitudes and everything else and that was his entitlement. So I think this was your basic adrenaline junkie. Yeah. If you're an adrenaline junkie and you're looking for something that's gonna, you know, make you pucker up and sweat, then yeah, the sheep for terry and the rosa or not, you're going to be your true angeles. But if you're somebody that just getting into the hobby that's looking for an animal that you don't have to worry about accidentally killing for the most part, that's going to be common docile. That's going to be out in the open so you can show your friends because there's the reality of the fact when people get true, it's an odd pet and they want to show them off and there's nothing worse than pointing to a pot of dirt and going, yep, I've got a big spider in there. Nobody cares is boring. This one will sit right out in the open. My girl has been awesome. I do tell the story oF when I first tried to handle her and unfortunately she had a feeding response and wheeled around on my hand and basically I was using a paintbrush to get her into my hand and she ended up biting the paintbrush. I realized now she was looking for food back then. It terrified me, but again that wasn't because she's grumpy. It was because she thought it was food coming. She was hungry. I'm the same way. You get me hungry and you stick a burger in front of me. Don't put your hand in my way. I'm going to bite it so I to say, these guys are the best beginner species. That's not true, and I would I would wholeheartedly agree that they may not be the best if you had to narrow it down to one. Although all the knocks on them can also be found in the ones that most people will point to being the best you lifeless species. Read julian species. They will fast on you. They will have slings, will fast, he adults with asset to females will have been eaten in several months. I mean it's something to worry about, but because they're so tractable they go move higher up on that list usually. So that's something to think about, but there may be not the best, but they are definitely a good beginner species for many, many people are. They're not as readily available now. I do hope people continue to breed them. They will always. This is one of those ones I can tell you, there will always be arose hair in my collection that will never be a point where I won't have one. I again, the whole thing that started this whole time is big spiders thing of me getting heavy into the hobby where billy and I sitting there one night talking about how sad it would be when my rows here at my. The queen eventually dIed because we had had her for so long and we had another kid on the way and you know, she's still there and it was just amazing. I'm like, that's really going to be depressing for me because she's been the one thing that's carried from when we first moved out together all the way to our, you know, our house, so there will always be one of my collection and again I do recognize a lot of it's in estancia for me and attachment to them, but I also, if I take an objective step back and look at them as a species, I would do it again in a heartbeat and obviously if you've seen my lists, whether it be the youtube list or the one I have online, I wholeheartedly endorse them as good beginner's. I just think most folks probably want to start with an older specimen, but either way, if you get a small one, you're going to have that thing probably to your grandkids. Go to college, which I think is awesome and something that makes it a really special pet in my opinion. So that'll about do it for this episode. Again, I will be doing sprinkling in longer episodes, but last week I got. I did too many longer episodes, ended up having to pay more money because I ran out of hours on this. I only get three hours a month, so please know that I'm not trying to short change anything. The original idea was to do a half hour episode, but I tend to talk too much and they run over. Someone ran over, what do we add? About 35 minutes, so five minutes bonus time there, but there will be a longer one coming up and I will have to redo the one that I had to scratch. Hopefully I can do that tomorrow or maybe later on today because I thought it was a good one, but I just don't want to try to tackle it too soon and have it be low energy because it's like, man, I just said all this and I thought I kind of covered it well the first time. So as usual, if you enjoyed it, please comment on my facebook page because as of right now we don't have any spot. You can really comment right on the podcast site. So that's the place to go. And I think I forgot the postal and for last week, so I'll have to throw that one up as well. Um, If you haven't checked out my youtube channel, I'm going to be, I took a little break from making videos for the last couple of weeks because it's been getting ready to go back to school time over here, but I'll be posting up some more videos or you can check out times big spiders, which I am going to endeavor to create more articles for that. um, I kind of, it's one of the more difficult things to do because it takes a little while longer to actually write these things and try to edit them out and get them up on the site than it does to say, put together a quick video or one of these podcasts where I sit here with a cup of coffee and talk your ear off for a half hour. So we will try to get back to that. That's my favorite thing that the articles in that website, I'm very proud of it and I want to keep more information on it because it seems like it's still growing, so we got to keep it fresh. So anyway, thanks so much for listening and we'll catch you guys all next time.