The Cut Flower Podcast

Learn about Sustainable Floristry with The Great British Flower School

• Roz Chandler • Season 1 • Episode 118

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In this episode, Roz sits down with Ali to talk about the importance of sustainable floristry and how they built the Great British Flower School. They share their journey, the challenges they faced, and the eco-friendly practices that every florist can adopt to reduce their environmental impact.

From using moss instead of floral foam to growing your own flowers, they provide practical tips that make sustainability achievable and creative. They also discuss alternative vessels, local sourcing, and how to educate clients on the importance of eco-conscious floral design.

If you’re a florist looking to ditch floral foam, reduce waste, and embrace sustainable techniques, this episode is packed with actionable insights and inspiration.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

🌿 Why sustainable floristry is essential for reducing environmental impact
🍃 How moss and chicken wire can replace floral foam
💧 Why water is the best medium for flower hydration
💐 The benefits of growing your own flowers for sustainability
🌻 How alternative vessels can enhance creativity in floral design
🏡 Why sourcing from local flower farmers results in fresher, seasonal blooms
♻️ The importance of using recyclable and biodegradable materials
🎓 How to educate clients about sustainable flower choices

Connect with The Great British Flower School:

Free Facebook Group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/sustainablefloristryforeveryone

Join our Spring Open Evening - flowers.thegreatbritishflowerschool.co.uk/spring-open-evening

Make the most of your garden by visiting bramblecrest.com and use the code FIELDGATE at checkout. See website for full details.

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Roz (00:00)
Well today I am delighted to welcome a very, very, very special guest. I am going to welcome Ali Conway, who is actually my business partner in a new business that we tested out at the end of last year and has gone mad. So we're going full scale now and it's called the Great British Flower School. And it does what it says on the tin. It teaches sustainable floristry for everybody. So let's have a little chat, Ali, what?

Ali Conway (00:09)
You

Roz (00:25)
Where did we get to to build this business called the Great British Flower School? Why did we decide to do it?

Ali Conway (00:31)
well, I'm honored that I'm your special friend, Roz. That's really nice. I really like that. Yeah, so we met, we, last year and we just got our heads together and realized that there's such a mass void really in kind of easy accessible information about how to ditch the foam, how to be foam free, how to be more sustainable. The sort of floristry world has got a bit of a bad rep, really.

and we're working with these beautiful natural materials, flowers, and yet we're wrapping them in nasties and sticking them in plastic and wrapping them in plastic and doing all these things. And so we had a long chat and thought it was about time we got our heads together and did think about this really, just to make it easy. I mean, all the information is out there, but sometimes, I mean, you need a degree in environmental science to get through it, which luckily, lo and behold,

I met the perfect partner. So you've got that environmental science degree. I mean, I was just baffled with it coming into this industry from garden design and sort of coming into floristry. And then I was baffled by all the information or lack of information. So I've kind of had to learn the hard way how to be more sustainable and sort of.

Roz (01:28)
I think maybe.

Ali Conway (01:51)
You know, there are things out there that you can find, but you have to dig deep and it's quite difficult to sort of, you know, get through everything and know what to do. So I've trialed and tested everything and then together, we've got our heads together.

Roz (02:06)
We came up, yeah,

with the Great British Flower School. And we do have a free Facebook group that hopefully you'll all join called Sustainable Floristry for Everyone. And we have loads of questions in there and lots about how to access products and where do they start and what are your top tips for going towards a sustainable floristry future. So we thought today, didn't we, that we'd do our top 10 tips to heading towards sustainable floristry. And if we could make that a start.

and these were the kind of questions we were asked in our Facebook group so we thought we'd reflect on them but the number one I think is moss is your friends so tell us about moss and why it's versatile and eco-friendly and why it's so much better than floral foam

Ali Conway (02:49)
Yeah,

absolutely. We use moss a lot and sphagnum moss which retains, I think, different, I mean, there are so many different varieties and this is where you need your bio-environmental science degree. are thousands of different varieties and species but it retains, some of them retain at sort of eight times its mass of water and some of them up to 20 times. It's very, very water-retentive.

And that means it's good for our flowers as well. And it can be used to hydrate and keep our flowers fresh for things like funeral designs, for wedding designs. And it can replace that foam if you can source it sustainably. And obviously there is a question about, where does it come from and how can we use that? What we mustn't be doing is obviously going out to our local woodlands and picking it and collecting it ourselves. That's an absolute no-no. It is very, very important in the ecosystem.

you know, to keep the sort of biodiversity in our natural habitats. However, you know, there are a small number of sustainably sort of licensed practice companies that will grow and pick and replace in quantities that it can replenish because it grows very quickly and replenishes.

Roz (04:05)
Yeah,

yeah. So Moss is your friend for sure, number one.

Ali Conway (04:08)
Moss is your friend in floristry it can be an easy easy swap and yeah as long as you know how to use it properly and where to source it properly it's a really easy switch number one.

Roz (04:20)
Definitely.

Number two is obviously good old H2O water. Obviously, it's kind of if you think back to sort of constant spray and going even further back, there wasn't floral foam. We didn't have all the products and the cellophane and everything. We used water. We used water in everything and we used water with chicken wire, water in containers. So, I mean, it is we can go back to using much more water and having things in water. So how would you use water, particularly in things like churns or urns or

Ali Conway (04:24)
I'm

Absolutely.

Roz (04:51)
installation so it's always a little bit of a concern.

Ali Conway (04:54)
Yeah,

yeah, well I was so surprised when I came into, you know, into traditional floristry school and you know, you've got this massive water sort of container to me, I was like, well, that is a great big pot, it's an urn or a churn that is there to hold water. And what they're doing is putting a great big block of plastic within that to then poke the stems at and I just couldn't get my head around that at all.

Roz (05:16)
No.

Ali Conway (05:16)
And, you know, and obviously, yeah, you're absolutely right. Before this stuff was invented as a byproduct in the petroleum interest area, I think in the 60s, in the 70s, maybe before that. But before floral foam was invented, we put our stems directly into water. And that is always, always the number one go to if you've got a vessel that holds water and you want to fill it with flowers.

Roz (05:27)
Yeah.

Ali Conway (05:42)
pop your flowers directly into water. They're going to drink more if they're not in moss or in any substrate or in foam. They're going to be better hydrated. So I use them for weddings. I even use for some funeral displays. have containers, water containers, all sorts of things, which I think are going to come down on our list in a minute. yeah, in those big sort of arrangements, flowers are thirsty.

Roz (05:43)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Ali Conway (06:09)
they do want to, especially in hot weather, you know, they are thirsty and they want to drink a lot. And it's amazing actually, when you fill up a big urn and you fill it with flowers to come back and sort of see just how much that water level has gone down, it makes you realise what we're actually asking of floral foam or moss or any of the other substrates in the first place, because they drink a lot, you know, it's incredible. So yeah, always is just...

Roz (06:13)
I want to have a next bit.

Ali Conway (06:39)
directly into water and we do use all sorts of things within those containers to help support the flowers because the two things as a florist you want is that you want your flowers to stay hydrated and you want them to stay supported. That is it really.

Roz (06:53)
Yeah, agreed. So test tubes, I'm back to my scientific, I'm back in the lab now, and grave spikes, how are we using those in sustainable floristry

Ali Conway (06:58)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, so these are the next these are sort of mini water containers. So if you can't use your big large urn or churn and fill it up to the brim, or indeed, if you want to get flowers higher up in a big urn, then individually tubing your flowers, it's I use this a lot for those delicate seasonals, the lovely the things that are all popping up now, that lovely spring flowers.

fritillaries and, the ranunculus, things like that, are great in individual test tubes. And the grave spike is just a sort of bigger version of that. Really. It's a big plastic sort of tube and people say, you're using plastic. Yes, we are. But the key point is it's, it's reusable. We are not using single use plastic. We're not using it once and throwing it away.

Roz (07:56)
No.

No.

Ali Conway (07:58)
So I use those, they get attached to frames and archways, they get popped into big churns and urns, even small test tube water tubes can be popped into moss in a funeral arrangement or a top table piece. yeah, a huge collection.

Roz (08:14)
Embrace them.

buckets of them. So back to Chickenwire, obviously in different sizes, but Chickenwire is fantastic reusable alternative to floral foam It obviously provides your framework for your arrangements, allowing you to secure things. We're back to security again without the need for any synthetic support. So Chickenwire is a must, isn't it? It's great in big complex designs. It's great in all sorts of designs.

Ali Conway (08:40)
Yeah, definitely. And this is where we were talking about our two sort of things for flowers. We want to hydrate them and we want to support them and chicken wire is just offers a fantastic support framework to use it well. You want to sort of double roll it and have a few layers to pop your stems through and you'll find that you can position things so well. And I much prefer it to the old days of working in foam because when you used to work in foam, you know, you position once you can't reposition, you can't change your mind.

You can, but you leave a great big hole in the thing and it all falls apart and it all gets messy and it gets difficult. So what I love about using all, I think some people call it bird wire or there's bird wire is slightly different. There's floristry wire, all sorts of different kinds of chicken wire, different gauges, different sizes, smaller ones for more delicates, larger, a higher gauge of galvanized wire for big sturdy stems.

you can find the right thing to suit the vessel that you're working in. And I love it because you can change your mind, it pops in, don't like it there, take it out, have a look, no harm done.

Roz (09:46)
Yeah, I love it. Bit of chicken wire. So sustainable funeral work, obviously doing a lot of funerals. Floral foam is big in funerals. You know, the old nan and the mum and the words and the Liverpool football club and a cat and a dog and all sorts of things is all done in floral foam.

Ali Conway (09:55)
you

Ha ha ha.

Roz (10:03)
looking for ways to find other ways of doing that. But with funeral work, there are things, aren't there? Like you have your famous shoe that you make and tell us about that.

Ali Conway (10:13)
Yeah,

yeah, love all things like that. I love making personal bespoke things when for farewell flowers. So yeah, I flowered up everything from shoes to hats to garden trugs and watering cans have have become funeral arrangements. But even when people want the sort of traditional and inverted commas style of sort of casket topper, and they want it in that style.

There are alternatives, definitely. use palm leaf trays, which are biodegradable. We use a lot of willow. And I'm not a willow weaver. I haven't got a clue. I'm just finding materials, natural materials, birch, vines, willow, anything pliable. use those sort of cornice dogwoods.

and you can just make shapes with them and you really can you can twist and turn them together and make bases I can make love heart shapes, classic wreath shapes even believe it or not my my famous bundle of sticks is that I use to do a five foot coffin casket topper I'm doing one this afternoon actually and it's basically it really is a big bundle of sticks as a base

And then we do use some biodegradable sort of bag material to create a water barrier just to make sure nothing's dripping onto the casket. But yeah, absolutely, we can use lots of natural materials and they all form really good bases and it's more fun to make and work with.

Roz (11:49)
Yeah, definitely. And what about, and this bit I love, because it's, you know, get down to your local charity shops, what about exploring alternative vessels like, you know, old trugs and teapots and glass bottles and all of that, that we can actually use both in weddings and funerals and in arrangements and there's so much out there.

Ali Conway (12:00)
Yeah.

Definitely anything that can, I mean, the two things I look for anything that can hold water. I'm a, I'm a nightmare in the antique stores and charity shops. Found a new one in Hitchin actually recently. I couldn't get me out of there. But yeah, anything that will hold water to me can hold flowers. You know, I sort of think, Ooh, what can I use with that? What can I put that in? What can I line that with? What can I use that for? And all the things that

Roz (12:18)
Yeah.

Ali Conway (12:36)
sort of tend to end up in the recycling box. You know, I have a good old rummage in there and bring things out again. Yoghurt pots, absolutely brilliant. Greek yogurt pots are fantastic. And those little, benecol sort of, you know, the little, the little sort of drinkable bottles, they are absolutely great to pop in. you know, you're basically using it like we use the floristry test tubes, water tubes. You're using anything like that to

Roz (12:51)
Bottled. Yeah.

Ali Conway (13:03)
anything that you can pop some stems in. I use spice jars and I even use them with the with the little cap on the top, you know, it's got the little holes and I looked at that and I thought, hang on a minute, that's looking, that looks handy. Yeah, so just explore and have fun with it because you know, I think it also sort of expands and frees your creativity as well. You know, we don't have to be making things

Roz (13:15)
already there.

Ali Conway (13:30)
in traditional shapes, in a triangular formation with everything lining up. think once you sort of throw those kind of restraints out, it just allows you to become more creative and use anything that you can. Yeah.

Roz (13:47)
Yeah, but

what about growing your own?

Ali Conway (13:51)
Yeah, well, this is your domain, isn't it? That's your department.

Roz (13:53)
Yeah, I mean...

As a flower farmer, we are growing all our own foliage and all our own flowers. We are on a five acre site here just outside Milton Keynes, so we do obviously grow all our own foliage and all our own flowers in an organic method. So we're not using herbicides or pesticides and we're definitely not importing flowers for lots of different reasons. mean, obviously the carbon footprint of importing flowers from South America, from Ethiopia and from Kenya is one consideration, but probably a bigger

consideration is how have they been treated in terms of pesticides and herbicides and then actually treated in order to make the journey across into the UK into wholesalers and then onto retail and then into shop floor. It's a long cut flower chain and so there's a massive carbon footprint is an issue. Secondly I worry about how they've been treated and therefore the first thing that most people do is sniff flowers and that would really cause me concern.

Ali Conway (14:42)
Yeah.

Roz (14:55)
And the third reason is, well, they're not really labelled, so we can't tell if they're Fair Trade or where they've come from or how the situation has arisen. So although we would want to support local Kenyan farmers, for instance, most of those farms are actually owned by...

by Americans and by Brits and by investors from the outside. So there's lots of things that I would want to have answered beforehand before even worrying about the carbon footprint. So there is definitely something about, of course, growing your own and growing your own foliage. And if you can't grow your own, then supporting local flower farmers and other people who do. And there is a network in the UK as there is in the US. So the UK one is called Flowers from the Farm.

Ali Conway (15:22)
Mm.

Roz (15:44)
you can go on their website and look for somebody near you and be able to buy locally and in America it's the Association of Specialty Cut Flower Growers.

Ali Conway (15:53)
Mm.

Roz (15:54)
of which I'm a member too and you can support them too. So it's about being mindful of where your flowers come from and obviously just buying seasonal flowers that are fresher, last longer, reflect the natural beauty at the time of the year that you're actually buying them would be an absolute must for me obviously.

Ali Conway (16:14)
Yeah,

and I haven't got the patience for growing my own flowers. I'm terrible, aren't I? Terribly impatient. But what I do absolutely love is my garden and my garden shrubs. So my garden shrubs are definitely snipped at quite a lot. But I actually think it makes my work much more interesting and unusual because...

Roz (16:21)
Yes.

Yeah.

Ali Conway (16:37)
know there's a lot of things that we grow in our gardens that are available readily available here in the UK that don't even appear in the traditional florist wholesalers you know this sort of and that just sort of blew my mind as well when I first came into floristry from garden design I was like well where where's this and where's that and why don't why don't you use this in floristry and do you use this and do you use honeysuckle and do you use um you know

Roz (16:55)
Yeah.

Ali Conway (17:02)
you know, so many, so many different things like Artemisia. And I thought, why isn't that or hebe that I got in my garden that I absolutely love. And I've never seen in the wholesalers. a lot of the, yeah, not growing commercially. And I just think, you know, on a small scale, especially a few little snips from your garden in a bouquet just makes it, you know, just unusual things, just herbs.

Roz (17:13)
not grown commercially. Yeah.

Ali Conway (17:30)
evergreens, shrubs, flowering shrubs, you know, I love them all. And unfortunately, yeah.

Roz (17:35)
And flowers you can't get hold of. Flowers even

like Nigella or annual Scabius or Dahlia's to some extent because Dahlia Vase Life is only five days. So if you're bringing them in from overseas, they've already I mean their vase life is very much reduced. So sweet peas you'll never be able to buy commercially. So the British grown beautiful blooms you really can't get at wholesalers. So that's another advantage to growing your own.

Ali Conway (18:03)
Definitely. And I always find something new going around the flower farms as well. I'm just, know, what's that? What's that? Can I have some of that in my bucket? I haven't seen that before. And that's where you sort of learn and explore. And it's another side of this creative floristry that I love. Just finding it's very boring, think, designing with the same ingredients all the time. Yeah, exactly. Exactly that.

Roz (18:03)
So.

yeah it's like making one cake yeah there are loads of

cakes to make.

Ali Conway (18:31)
Yeah, I actually joke that I would be rubbish in a retail environment because I can't actually make the same bouquet twice. I've tried. You know, I just think, you know, explore and have a look and sort of holding materials in your hand. The locally grown things as well aren't poker straight or, you know, there might be interesting twists and turns and different sorts of, you know, elements to them. And you can work with that and get much more creative with your floral design, I think. So.

Roz (18:37)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, definitely. Big tick, very passionate about that. And then I've got next on my list using recyclable and biodegradable materials. I have to say the floristry industry she has really bad.

Ali Conway (19:01)
Big tick there.

Roz (19:15)
situation with the single use plastic with plastics that are not then you know single use and not reclaimed and used again whether that's trays whether that's water tubes or whether that's floral foam which is I mean floral foam even biodegradable floral foam is not biodegradable if you really look at it it's because it's biodegradable under certain conditions which in landfill in the UK which are not met so in my eyes biodegradable is not biodegradable and then you know there are

Ali Conway (19:43)
Mm-hmm.

Roz (19:45)
substitutes and the market is working really hard and we will be looking at substitutes that are coming out of the US there's one called Floam that's coming out you know there are pouches aren't there and there are lots of other ways but again there's there's agri-wool which isn't perfect because of the way it's formed but it's much better than is a step in the right direction away from floral foam but it's everything else isn't it

Ali Conway (20:06)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, all the bits and pieces. Yes. It's all the bits and pieces under when you go to wholesalers that are under listed under sundries and you go through that list of sundries, you go, right. Okay. What are floristry sundries? Well, okay. We're going to have these natural flowers and we're going to wrap them in cellophane and we're going to put an Aqua pack on the bottom and we're going to put a plastic pick in with it. And a pick is the little thing that holds your card, you know, to

Roz (20:12)
It's in the ribbons, ribbons, everything.

Ali Conway (20:38)
for your little cards that, you know, all these things which are really unnecessary and yeah, poly ribbon. So a ribbon that is actually infused with plastic, just not necessary. So we've banished all those things in our work and at the floristry school. we are, you know, craft paper, tissue paper, natural twine, wooden picks, lollipop sticks, little wooden kebab sticks.

Roz (21:05)
twigs

Ali Conway (21:06)
twigs to hold

your card. Yeah, all those things that we've, you you can, sometimes you do have to think out of the box a little bit and just look at things and think, do I really need to wrap this, this arrangement in this? Do I really need to include this plastic cellophane or the card? You know, things like plastic backing that we were taught to put on the back of wreaths. So you'd moss up a wreath, a Christmas wreath, and you'd back it with plastic.

Roz (21:09)
Yeah, definitely.

Ali Conway (21:32)
Why are we doing this? It's really not necessary. So we, you know, I use a lot of Hessian sort of materials and natural ribbons, know, silks and cottons and chiffons. You do just have to be careful and check the small print.

Roz (21:47)
the ribbons, yeah, you have to,

because I got caught out with velvet. So I thought velvet was sustainable and biodegradable and some are and some are not, it depends what it's made of. So if you can dig that deeper and find out what it's made of, yes, you can buy velvet, which is sustainable and biodegradable, but a lot of them are not. So it's about having the information to be able to make the choice again.

Ali Conway (21:51)
Mmm.

right.

Absolutely, absolutely. And it comes back to your point about packaging and information. I mean, if the rules were tightened up more, and there was more information on things, where things come from and what they're made of exactly. mean, some of the bigger, larger organisations, should we say, are particularly bad at listing ingredients and raw materials. So...

Roz (22:26)
Yeah, we'd have a choice.

no surprise.

Ali Conway (22:38)
That's where that's

where it's really hard sometimes. And you think, well, if I have got a question mark over this, probably it's not great. you know, so it's almost like if it's really not telling us exactly what's in it, what it's made of, it's probably there's probably a reason behind that.

Roz (22:57)
Yeah, exactly. And probably

the biggest one, we've come to number 10 now, the biggest one, the top 10 tips is about educating your clients. And this, for me, has been a 15 year education on British flowers. 15 years ago, wasn't really very known and the environmental impact wasn't known and slowly things have started to become better. But I think it's very hard for customers and end users because in a supermarket, they pick up a bunch of flowers and they don't know where they come from because they're not labelled. So why do they necessarily know?

what's growing and seasonal at that time of year and you have to you know normally it's an impulse purchase isn't it you haven't really got time to really consider it but it's about

When a bride or somebody comes to me for funeral flowers, I do talk to them about the impact of the environment and what seasonal we're using and what seasonal flowers. And I'll never guarantee that you're going to have a Queen of Sweden rose on the 1st of May. I will say, you know, we will have a pink focal flower. And if I can, will be the Queen of Sweden. If it isn't, it might be a ranunculus. It might look like this, but we will achieve your...

your overall desired look, but we won't necessarily guarantee what we're going to give you. And that's really a little bit about educating clients and having a two way conversation about what you can and can't do.

Ali Conway (24:09)
Absolutely. And they will, they're looking to you for advice as well as the experts. you know, people come into you and they've perhaps, well, certainly for a wedding, they've perhaps not done this before. They don't know, you know, and it's been, it's been quite an eye opener for me, people, when I, when I talk to them about it and I say, well, actually I do things like this and I won't do this. And I don't want to just explain a few of my sort of eco practices they're

Roz (24:21)
No.

Ali Conway (24:36)
they're sort of surprised and that a lot of the time I sort of hear, I didn't know that I really didn't know that and that sounds great. Well, we'll, go with whatever you say, or if they're, you know, if a, if a bride is supplying me with all those kinds of images of, I don't know, delphiniums in November, and I'll say, well, actually, you know, let's just explain about what we could do and what seasonably seasonally available.

you know, but just, it's more so for me, the sort of education for the sort of floral foam and the packaging and things, which they really, if you're not in the industry, it's really not top of your agenda. I think, I think probably the sort of sourcing is getting more, sort of more general kind of awareness because we're thinking about the sourcing of our food and seasonality of food and.

thinking about other things and where our products are coming from that we're buying. So people are becoming a bit more aware of this, but certainly not, you know, I think a lot of people have come to me had no idea about floral foam and why I would or wouldn't use it. So just like you, it's just been a slow process of gently introducing it and not, not sort of laboring the point and banging on about it in a kind of dictatorial sort of way, but.

just making some suggestions and slowly and surely people are becoming more aware and then you get known for it and then people do come to you and say, we like your ethos, we would like this because, and that's certainly been the case for funeral work, that people are coming to us more and more, aren't they, because they want sustainable funerals and they're perhaps doing a woodland burial.

Roz (26:14)
not sustainable.

Ali Conway (26:20)
or a sort woodland site or something, burials rather than cremations, or they just want to know how to use their flowers afterwards and where they will go or how they'll be used and all those kinds of considerations. So that's all a process of education and educate your clients sounds a bit formal, doesn't it? We'll probably chat to your clients in a friendly way, an informative way.

Roz (26:34)
different.

Let's have a chat. Yeah, yeah, that's probably better, doesn't it? It does sound

a bit formal and I don't mean that at all. I just mean it's a general education for everyone really and I can understand why people wouldn't know. So, so Ali, we're going to have our open spring event, aren't we? We have a number of events every year and we have an open spring event on the 3rd of April at eight o'clock British summertime.

Ali Conway (26:46)
You

Woo hoo!

Roz (27:04)
Just I think British summertime we're hoping on the 3rd of April at 8 o'clock in the evening and we'd love you to register you need to register for that because it's on zoom and we have a limited number of seats on zoom but that will be in the show notes for the registration and then but if you come over to our Facebook group called sustainable floristry for everyone there'll be lots of links in there where you can join the free webinar which will be demos Q &A's everything about sustainable floristry and we'll be sharing all our more

more tips over and hoping that you get in sustainable floristry.

Ali Conway (27:38)
Absolutely. We love talking about this. It's our favourite topic and we could talk all day. We try not to when we do our live evenings. We don't do many a year because we sort of throw open the doors and invite people in and it's, you know, it's a chance to pick our brains and a live demo. It's kind of showing you what we've just been talking about really. Everything that we've just been talking about, we will show you more, explain more and be there to answer.

Roz (27:42)
Yeah, we could talk all day, couldn't we?

Yeah.

Ali Conway (28:05)
Loads and loads of questions.

Roz (28:08)
So Ali, thank you for joining me. Not that I don't see you every day anyway, but thank you for joining me. And it's lovely to have you and talk about what we're really passionate about, which is sustainable floristry. And yeah, we look forward to seeing you all over in the Facebook group and also on our webinar on the 3rd of April.

Ali Conway (28:25)
Lovely. Thank you Roz, my special friend. I'll give it, I'll repay the compliment. Thanks for having me. Bye bye bye.

Roz (28:28)
Thank you.

Take care!