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I thoroughly"},{"speaker":"Mighty Fine","startTime":2811.56,"endTime":2814.95,"body":"enjoyed it. I'm like, oh, yeah,"},{"speaker":"Mighty Fine","startTime":2814.95,"endTime":2818.07,"body":"Jessica and I have more"},{"speaker":"Mighty Fine","startTime":2814.95,"endTime":2818.07,"body":"conversations to engage"},{"speaker":"Jessica Ritter","startTime":2818.34,"endTime":2819.51,"body":"Anytime!"},{"speaker":"Mighty Fine","startTime":2820.23,"endTime":2822.24,"body":"We will be"},{"speaker":"Mighty Fine","startTime":2820.23,"endTime":2822.24,"body":"harmonizing. You know, I'm"},{"speaker":"Mighty Fine","startTime":2822.24,"endTime":2823.29,"body":"joining your choir."},{"speaker":"Jessica Ritter","startTime":2824.08,"endTime":2826.87,"body":"Awesome! I love"},{"speaker":"Jessica Ritter","startTime":2824.08,"endTime":2826.87,"body":"that."},{"speaker":"Mighty Fine","startTime":2826.87,"endTime":2830.29,"body":"Yes. But thank you"},{"speaker":"Mighty Fine","startTime":2826.87,"endTime":2830.29,"body":"again for today. It's been very"},{"speaker":"Mighty Fine","startTime":2830.29,"endTime":2834.25,"body":"enriching. And I'm certain that"},{"speaker":"Mighty Fine","startTime":2830.29,"endTime":2834.25,"body":"the folks listening in will find"},{"speaker":"Mighty Fine","startTime":2834.25,"endTime":2835.63,"body":"it the same way that I found it."},{"speaker":"Jessica Ritter","startTime":2835.63,"endTime":2837.34,"body":"Awesome. Thank"},{"speaker":"Jessica Ritter","startTime":2835.63,"endTime":2837.34,"body":"you so much for having me. This"},{"speaker":"Jessica Ritter","startTime":2837.34,"endTime":2838.9,"body":"was really, really awesome"},{"speaker":"Mighty Fine","startTime":2838.96,"endTime":2839.74,"body":"Of course."},{"speaker":"Mighty Fine","startTime":2839.95,"endTime":2843.52,"body":"Thanks for listening to IVP in"},{"speaker":"Mighty Fine","startTime":2839.95,"endTime":2843.52,"body":"depth, be sure to subscribe and"},{"speaker":"Mighty Fine","startTime":2843.52,"endTime":2848.08,"body":"listen to us on Apple podcasts,"},{"speaker":"Mighty Fine","startTime":2843.52,"endTime":2848.08,"body":"Spotify or Google podcasts. You"},{"speaker":"Mighty Fine","startTime":2848.08,"endTime":2851.11,"body":"can also follow safe states on"},{"speaker":"Mighty Fine","startTime":2848.08,"endTime":2851.11,"body":"Twitter at Safe States. And the"},{"speaker":"Mighty Fine","startTime":2851.11,"endTime":2853.87,"body":"same for LinkedIn. 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