

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>0:00</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   not   cobal.   It&#39;s   cobal   with   an   O.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>0:03</time>
      <p>
          You   should   have   said   cobal   to   make   it   more   clear   that   it   was   an   A.   Your   two   pronunciations   of   those   two   were   very   close.   It&#39;s   not   Cobal.   It&#39;s   Cobal.   You   know   that&#39;s   gonna   be   at   the   front   of   this   episode.   That&#39;s   a   freaking   awesome   bird.   It&#39;s   like,   what   do   you   think   it   is?   It&#39;s   like   a   penguin   that   can   fly.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>0:20</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   this   is   like,   this   is   this   is   a   very   adorable   bird.   I&#39;m   very   excited   about   this   bird.   It&#39;s   a   type   of   duck.   It&#39;s   apparently   a   type   of   duck.   Oh   my   goodness.   My   new   favorite   type   of   duck.   Holy   s   look   at   that   one.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>0:32</time>
      <p>
          It   is   actually   a   very   beautiful   bird.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>0:33</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   it   is   a   very,   very   quite   attractive   bird.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>0:46</time>
      <p>
          Welcome   to   ADSP   the   podcast,   episode   64,   recorded   on   January   15th,   2022.   My   name   is   Connor,   and   today   with   my   co-host   Bryce,   we   talk   about   a   plethora   of   things,   including   the   sponsors   we   want   for   ADSP   and   the   things   we&#39;re   looking   forward   to   in   the   year   2022.   You   were   late.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>1:07</time>
      <p>
          And   that&#39;s   the   judgiest   I&#39;ve   ever   heard,   Connor.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>1:14</time>
      <p>
          You   were   late.   And   actually,   let   me   share   my   screen   again.   We   gotta   we   gotta   share   my   screen.   And   I,   last   time   we   recorded,   sent   out   a   poll.   And   I   I   set   the   time   limit   on   that   poll   to   end   exactly   during   this   recording.   And   when   I   started   uh   when   I   opened   up   the   Google   Meets   initially,   it   said   ends   in   34   minutes.   However,   it&#39;s   over   now.   We   didn&#39;t   get   to   see   it   live.   And   so   my   plan   was   to   like   mid-podcast   interrupt   you   and   go,   Bryce,   I   have   some   news.   I   did   not   get   to   do   that.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>1:46</time>
      <p>
          But   the   results   of   the   poll   were   already   clear   from   like   yesterday.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>1:50</time>
      <p>
          And   I   am   so   thankful.   I   would   like   I   would   like   to   let   you,   the   listener.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>1:55</time>
      <p>
          People   didn&#39;t   understand   the   context.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>1:58</time>
      <p>
          I   would   like   to   let   you,   the   listener,   know   that   you   are   informed.   I   apologize   for   not   having   faith   in   you.   Uh   and   um   61.8%   voted   that   the   five-character   non-parenthesis   version   of   this   uh   BQN   solution   is   the   better   solution.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>2:21</time>
      <p>
          I   think   that   people   voted   without   having   sufficient   context   um   here.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>2:26</time>
      <p>
          55   people   voted,   just   for   the   statistician   that   was   angry   that   I   didn&#39;t   mention   uh   the   I   just   mentioned   the   percentage   and   not   the   magnitude   of   folks   that   tuned   in   to   vote.   And   uh   I&#39;m   absolutely   thrilled   about   the   results.   I   think   the   people   have   spoken,   the   listener   has   spoken,   and   I   I&#39;m   just   thrilled.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>2:44</time>
      <p>
          I   demand   a   recount.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>2:48</time>
      <p>
          We   on   ADSP   the   podcast   do   not   endorse   recounts,   and   Bryce   was   joking.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>2:55</time>
      <p>
          So,   so   okay,   I&#39;ll   but   I&#39;ll   I&#39;ll   tell   you   what   I   think   that   this   result   means   because   I   I   legitimately   do   think   that   the   numbers   would   be   far   closer   if   people   um   uh   understood   the   uh   the   subtleties   of   the   order   of   operations.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>3:09</time>
      <p>
          Rejoice,   listener,   rejoice   while   Bryce   tiles   tries   to   tell   you   that   you   didn&#39;t   know   what   you   were   doing.   Rejoice   in   knowing.   I   mean,   61.8%   of   you   actually   should   be   rejoicing.   And   uh   the   other   30   years.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>3:30</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   not   surprised   that   people   would   uh   pick   the   form   without   parentheses   that   that   looks   simpler.   But   the   simpler   form   hides   complexity.   So   uh   I   I   I   would   I   I   I   still   think   that   with   the   proper   background   that   it   would   probably   have   been   closer.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>3:47</time>
      <p>
          So   the   solution,   just   to   recap,   was   six   characters   without   parentheses.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>3:52</time>
      <p>
          It   was   the   the   listener   the   listener   has   made   it   clear   that   they   don&#39;t   like   like   us   live   coding.   That&#39;s   all   I&#39;m   saying.   I&#39;m   not   just   saying   that.   This   is   the   last   time,   though.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>4:01</time>
      <p>
          This   is   the   last   time.   So   this   solution   is   six   characters.   And   last   time,   remember   last   time   last   episode   we   called   it   BQN&#39;s   after   and   a   parentheses   pull.   This   can   be   so   much   simpler   because   this   pattern,   once   again,   where   we   have   a   binary   function   equals   and   then   two   unary   functions   that   pre-process   the   left   and   right   arguments.   This   one   is   just   identity,   and   this   one   is   sort.   But   you   have   to   compose   it   with   right   in   order   to   just   do   it   on   the   right.   This   is   exactly   after   as   well.   So   we   can   shave   off   three   characters   and   then   add   the   after,   and   this   is   our   actual   solution.   Honestly,   I&#39;m   so   freaking   excited   about   combin   combinators.   We   don&#39;t   have   time   to   talk   about   it,   but   we&#39;re   gonna   do   a   whole   episode   on   the   D2   combinator,   the   Dove   Keys   bird.   What&#39;s   a   Dove   key?   I   don&#39;t   even   know.   Is   that   a   bird?   We&#39;re   getting   into   such   strange   word   doveke.   Look   at   that.   That&#39;s   a   pretty   that&#39;s   a   pretty   cute   bird.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>5:05</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   it&#39;s   like   that&#39;s   that&#39;s   actually   a   pretty   great   bird.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>5:09</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   a   freaking   awesome   bird.   It&#39;s   like,   what   do   you   think   it   is?   It&#39;s   like   a   penguin   that   can   fly.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>5:14</time>
      <p>
          This   is   yeah,   this   is   like,   this   is   this   is   a   very   adorable   bird.   I&#39;m   very   excited   about   it.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>5:18</time>
      <p>
          The   dove   key,   the   D2   combinator.   We&#39;re   not   gonna   talk   about   it   right   now,   but   listener,   get   freaking   excited.   We&#39;re   not   gonna   live   code,   we&#39;ll   just   talk   about   it.   There   might   be   a   little   bit   of   live   coding,   I&#39;m   not   gonna   lie,   okay?   But   I   promise   it&#39;ll   be   the   last   one.   It&#39;s   a   type   of   duck.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>5:33</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   apparently   a   type   of   duck.   Oh   my   goodness.   It&#39;s   my   new   favorite   type   of   duck.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>5:37</time>
      <p>
          Holy   s   look   at   that   one.   It   is   actually   a   very   beautiful   bird.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>5:41</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   it   is   a   very,   very   quite   attractive   bird.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>5:43</time>
      <p>
          Which   is   why   it   makes   I&#39;m   not   gonna   get   into   it.   Stay   tuned,   listener,   for   the   episode   the   D2   Combinator,   the   Dove   Key.   It&#39;s   gonna   be   awesome.   First   thing   we   need   to   talk   about   uh   in   our   looking   ahead   2022   episode   The   Bingo   Board.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>6:00</time>
      <p>
          Yes,   the   bingo   board   was   amazing.   That&#39;s   a   periodic   table   of   programming   languages.   Where   is   C   on   this   periodic   table   of   programming   languages?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>6:11</time>
      <p>
          Oh   yeah,   you   want   to   zoom   in   on   this?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>6:13</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>6:14</time>
      <p>
          So   in   uh   I&#39;m   trying   to   find   Where&#39;s   C?   C   is   right   there,   is   right   there.   And   it   it   shows   up   as   an   object-oriented   language.   So   right   now,   Bryce   and   I   are   looking   at   the   periodic   table   of   programming   languages.   However,   that&#39;s   wrong,   that   needs   to   be   mixed   up.   And   so   it   has   like   eight   different   colors   of   different   paradigms,   OO,   dynamic,   functional,   multi-paradigm.   Lots   of   complaints   to   be   had,   although   it&#39;s   a   very   cool   table.   But   it   says   each   row   represents   roughly   a   decade,   starting   on   the   second   row   with   the   1950s   up   to   the   2000s   on   the   final   row.   The   first   row   is   pre-1950   with   the   two   mechanical   programming   systems.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>6:52</time>
      <p>
          Whoa,   whoa,   whoa,   wait,   wait,   wait,   wait,   wait.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>6:54</time>
      <p>
          I   I   I   have   some   the   colors   denote   the   programming   paradigm   that   the   language   in   question   originally   supported.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>7:01</time>
      <p>
          Can   we   look   at   can   we   look   at   second   row?   Uh   uh   second   from   the   the   end   on   the   right.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>7:10</time>
      <p>
          Oh.   Yeah,   they   misspelled.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>7:12</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   c   it&#39;s   not   cobal.   It&#39;s   cobalt   with   an   O.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>7:16</time>
      <p>
          You   should   have   said   Cobal   to   make   it   more   clear   that   it   was   an   A.   Your   two   pronunciations   of   those   two   were   very   close.   It&#39;s   not   COBOL,   it&#39;s   COBOL.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>7:26</time>
      <p>
          Not   C   O   B   A   L.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>7:29</time>
      <p>
          You   know   that&#39;s   gonna   be   at   the   front   of   this   episode.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>7:32</time>
      <p>
          As   the   self-proclaimed   like   COBOL   historian,   I&#39;m   deeply   offended.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>7:37</time>
      <p>
          Anyways,   not   what   we&#39;re   trying   to   look   at.   Tune   into   programming   languages,   virtual   meetup.   Boom,   this   is   what   I   wanted.   So   Jonathan   O&#39;Connor,   uh   fellow   Cross   the   Pond,   over   in   the   UK,   um,   was   the   first,   I   think,   and   the   only   person   to   come   up   with   a   uh   bingo   card   for,   and   this   is   I   was   thinking   like   a   uh   when   I   said   bingo   card,   like   a   long-term   bucket   list   kind   of   five   by   five   grid   where   you   know   we   get   the   brother-sister   combo   on   once,   we&#39;ve   already   got   the   the   father-son.   But   uh   Jonathan   has   gone   ahead   and   done   us   a   by   the   episode   um   with   uh   nine   different   topics.   Uh   walnut,   APL,   excel,   algorithm,   Slovenia.   Slovenia,   we   love   you,   Slovenia.   I   can&#39;t   mention   Slovenia   without   saying   that   we   love   you.   Number   one,   here   we   here   we   come,   Balkans   2023   tour.   Uh   running   Bryce&#39;s   mom.   Parallel   and   Stepanov.   Someone   someone   commented,   why   no   Sean?   Uh   I   sort   of,   I   mean,   like   Stepanov   and   Sean,   I   feel   like   are   two   P&#39;s   in   a   pod.   Um,   although   arguably   Sean   should   be   on   there.   Um   how   do   you   feel   about   this?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>8:41</time>
      <p>
          I   I   like   it.   I   like   it.   I   um   feel   like   it&#39;s   pretty   accurate.   It&#39;s   pretty   accurate.   I   feel   I   feel   like   I&#39;m   a   I&#39;m   slightly   offended   that   running&#39;s   on   there,   but   cycling&#39;s   not,   because   I   think   we   probably   spend   as   much   time   talking   about   those   two   things.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>8:56</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   actually   probably   true.   Whenever   I   do   bring   up   running,   you   bring   up   cycling.   So   that&#39;s   what   I   mean.   Yeah.   Stepanov   stands   for   both   Stepanov   slash   Sean   Parent.   Running   stands   for   running   slash   cycling.   Uh   we   love   it.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>9:09</time>
      <p>
          Oh   my   god,   and   speaking   of   walnut,   yes,   I   just   I   just   got   a   phone   call   from   from   the   delivery   folks.   The   the   the   beautiful,   beautiful   walnut   bed   frame   that   I   ordered   in   July   is   uh   is   finally   ready   for   delivery.   The   the   the   matching   walnut   nightstands   are   still   back   ordered   though.   But   uh   the   the   final   piece   of   walnut   or   the   sorry   the   penultimate   piece   of   walnut   furniture   is   arriving   soon.   Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>9:39</time>
      <p>
          Awesome.   And   also   penultimate   means   not   ultimate,   it   means   the   second   from   the   last,   correct?   I   didn&#39;t   know   that.   I   always   thought   penultimate   meant   like   da   da   da   da.   You   know?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>9:52</time>
      <p>
          No,   it&#39;s   second   from   the   last.   I   don&#39;t   know   why   that   word   is   in   my   isn&#39;t   my   vocabulary,   but   it&#39;s   there.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>9:57</time>
      <p>
          Alright.   2022.   What   are   we   looking   forward   to?   First   things   first.   All   right.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>10:03</time>
      <p>
          Didn&#39;t   we   do   this   though?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>10:05</time>
      <p>
          No,   no,   no,   no,   no,   no.   We   only   we   took   a   look   back   on   2021,   and   then   we   had   to   do   a   look   ahead   to   the   future.   And   my   number   one   goal,   I   want   to   be   sponsored.   Maybe   it   doesn&#39;t   happen   in   2022.   What   do   you   think   my   two   sponsors   that   I   want   are,   Bryce?   And   this   I&#39;m   not   even   joking.   One   time   I   wanted   to   be   sponsored   by   Cinnabon.   Uh   I   wanted   them   to   pay   for   all   my   races,   and   I   had   this   hashtag   runforthebun.   I   thought   it   was   gonna   be   huge.   I   always   used   to   get   Cinnabon   after   my   races.   I   don&#39;t   know   why   they   didn&#39;t   take   me   up   on   it.   I   messaged   like   probably   10   or   20   marketing   people   on   LinkedIn   being   like,   listen,   this   is   my   story.   And   no   one   got   back   to   me.   So   uh   I&#39;m   being   serious.   We&#39;ve   got   uh   not   like   a   massive   number   of   listeners,   but   we   got   some   listeners.   We&#39;re   gonna   put   some   tweets   out   there   at   these   companies.   And   one   of   them,   I&#39;m   actually   I&#39;ve   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   yeah,   we&#39;ll   let   you   guess   though.   What   are   the   two   let&#39;s   just   go   with   that   first?   What   are   the   two   companies   you   think   I   want   to   sponsor   this   podcast?   Hint?   They   have   nothing   to   do   with   software.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>11:08</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   you   just   want   stuff.   Um,   well,   Lululemon&#39;s   got   it.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>11:11</time>
      <p>
          Yes!   Number   one   gold   platinum   space.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>11:14</time>
      <p>
          I   mean,   look   legitimately,   like   anybody   from   Lululemon   who&#39;s   listening,   we   would   be   really   great   for   uh   uh   like   we   would   be   really   great   for   you   because   like   we&#39;re   two   guys   in   tech   and   all   of   our   clothing   comes   from   Lululemon.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>11:29</time>
      <p>
          Literally,   I   think   it&#39;s   an   untapped   market.   Uh   this   podcast   is   going   to   the   moon,   let&#39;s   be   honest.   Um,   right   now   we&#39;ve   only   got   however   many   listeners,   but   like   if   we   keep   this   up   for   like   two   decades   and   we   get   to   50,   what&#39;s   two,   200   times   50   is   like   4,000   episodes.   Did   I   get   that   right?   Who   knows?   If   we   go   to   the   moon,   though,   all   through   our   journey,   our   tech   career,   uh,   you   become   CEO   of   some   company,   I   do   something,   I   don&#39;t   know,   noteworthy.   Uh   and   uh   we&#39;re   not   gonna   stop   wearing   Lululemon.   Yeah.   And   and   organically,   how   many   times   has   Lululemon   come   up   on   this   podcast?   And   like   that&#39;s   a   thing.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>12:10</time>
      <p>
          A   lot.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>12:10</time>
      <p>
          I   don&#39;t   want   sponsors.   Like   every   every   podcast,   half   the   podcasts   I   listen   to   are   like   Athletic   Greens   and   delicious,   blah,   blah,   blah.   I   only   want   stuff   that   I   already   like   endorse.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>12:20</time>
      <p>
          Although   I   I   I   do   have   to   say   I   did   have   to   order   two   articles   of   clothing,   clothing   not   from   Lululemon,   which   is   I   needed   some   cardigans,   and   Lululemon   did   not   have   cardigans.   So   maybe   maybe   someone&#39;s   gonna   be   a   good   one.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>12:31</time>
      <p>
          Well,   yeah,   we   we   can   be   we   can   be   like   their   A   B   testers.   I   mean,   um   I   wouldn&#39;t   be   surprised   if   already   there   is   there&#39;s   been   one   or   two   listeners   that   have   heard   us   uh   talk   about   Lululemon   and   went   and   bought   a   pair   of   like   shorts   or   sweatpants   or   pants   or   whatever.   So   Lululemon,   no   joke.   We   I   will   go   and   or   maybe   one   of   our   nah   that   they&#39;re   not   gonna   do   that.   I   will   go   and   make   a   compilation   of   all   the   times   we   talk   about   Lululemon.   Or   maybe   I&#39;ll   start   from   now.   And   uh   legitimately,   we   would   love   to   have   you   as   a   sponsor.   I   don&#39;t   even   know   how   much   money   you   would   pay   us.   Uh   you   don&#39;t   need   to   pay   us   anything   in   the   beginning.   Don&#39;t   you   think?   You   can   just   send   us   free   stuff.   We&#39;ll   let   you   know   what   our   sizes   are.   And   uh   at   some   point,   if   this   blows   up,   then   yeah,   maybe   we&#39;ll   we&#39;ll   we&#39;ll   we&#39;ll   reevaluate   our   contract.   But   honestly,   I   would   love   to   start   this   ADSP   the   podcast   brought   to   you   by   Lululemon.   Bryce,   what   are   you   legitimately?   I&#39;m   wearing   Lululemon   sweats   right   now.   And   that&#39;s   not   that   was   not   by   design.   That&#39;s   just   uh   it&#39;s   cold.   It&#39;s   like,   oh   yeah,   I   mean   I   forgot   to   mention.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>13:25</time>
      <p>
          Oh,   okay.   Speaking   of,   but   but   but   like   if   they&#39;re   gonna   be   a   sponsor,   they   need   to   bring   back   the   sweatpants   that   are   like   the   fleece   sweatpants.   Like,   you   cannot   get   those   anymore.   Can&#39;t   get   them   anymore.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>13:35</time>
      <p>
          No,   if   you   want   to   be   a   sponsor,   Lululemon,   you   don&#39;t   need   to   bring   anything   back.   We   will   give   you   advice.   You&#39;re   you&#39;re   trying   to   mess   up   the   our   our   gold   sponsor,   but   listen,   Lulu,   I&#39;ve   got   demands.   We&#39;ve   got   at   least   a   hundred   listeners.   Um,   so   that&#39;s   our   number   one   sponsor.   I   and   I&#39;m   like,   I   when   I   put   my   mind   to   something,   uh,   because   I   wanted   Cinnabon   to   be   my   running   sponsor,   but   I   sort   of   thought   it   was   like,   you   know,   I   don&#39;t   I   don&#39;t   really   have   any   Instagram   followers   or   anything   like   that.   However,   uh   this   this   podcast   is   growing.   It&#39;s   not   unsuccessful.   And   I   think   that   there&#39;s   like   a   non-trivial   single-digit   percent   chance   that   we   can   make   this   happen   in   the   next   couple   years.   Sponsor   number   two,   who   do   you   think   it   is?   And   this   one   is   it&#39;s   more   a   hint,   uh   less   for   both   of   us,   more   for   me.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>14:20</time>
      <p>
          More   for   you.   What   do   you   like   that   I   don&#39;t   like?   Or   not   that   I   don&#39;t   care.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>14:26</time>
      <p>
          Not   necessarily   that   you   don&#39;t   like.   It&#39;s   just   it&#39;s   uh   the   listener   probably   knows.   The   listener   probably   knows.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>14:32</time>
      <p>
          The   listener   probably   knows.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>14:36</time>
      <p>
          I   guess   we&#39;re   gonna   are   we   gonna   call   this   episode   2022   goals,   or   is   it   gonna   be   Lululemon   and   Insert   Company   sponsor   us?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>14:48</time>
      <p>
          I   don&#39;t   know.   I   don&#39;t   know.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>14:51</time>
      <p>
          Um   what   is   a   what   is   a   uh   a   what   is   it?   It&#39;s   not   an   anecdote.   What   is   a   thing   that   I   do   often   that   irritates   you   on   this   podcast?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>15:01</time>
      <p>
          Oh   my   gosh.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>15:02</time>
      <p>
          Do   I   need   to   go   do   it   right   now?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>15:03</time>
      <p>
          No,   the   the   company,   the   the   the   drink   company.   I   don&#39;t   know   what   it   is.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>15:07</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   coming,   I&#39;ll   be   right   back,   Bryce.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>15:11</time>
      <p>
          Oh   you   you   see,   folks,   what   I   have   to   put   up   with.   You   you   see   what   this   is   like.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>15:20</time>
      <p>
          How   awesome   would   it   be   if   we   said   brought   to   you   by   Lululemon?   We&#39;re   both   wearing   it,   our   bottoms   are   very   comfortable,   and   brought   to   you   by   Bubbly,   the   one,   the   only   drink.   Here   it   comes,   folks.   Here   it   comes.   Woo!   We&#39;ve   got   today   the   best   flavor,   the   number   one   flavor,   black   cherry.   They   sell   it   at   Shoppers   Drug   Mart,   but   not   at   Longos   and   La   Blah&#39;s   and   a   lot   of   other   stores.   So   you   gotta   know   where   to   get   it.   It&#39;s   the   hardest   to   come   by,   but   the   most   delicious.   Black   cherry   buble.   Bubbly?   It   doesn&#39;t   matter   how   we   say   it.   But   here&#39;s   where   things   get   interesting.   I   will   happily   switch   to   Perrier   or   some   other   sparkling   water   brand   if   they   want.   I   spend   a   lot   of   money.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>16:02</time>
      <p>
          LaCroix   is   Le   Croix.   Le   Croix,   I   think.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>16:04</time>
      <p>
          I   believe   it&#39;s   Le   Croix.   Um   whatever.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>16:07</time>
      <p>
          Uh   I   actually   French   Canadians   come   at   me.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>16:10</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>16:10</time>
      <p>
          Uh   actual   French   can   also   come   at   me,   but   I   know   that   it&#39;s   the   French   Canadian,   like   it&#39;s   the   French   Canadians   that   I   have   active   feuds   with.   It&#39;s   so   good.   The   French   I   usually   get   along   with   because,   you   know,   we   I   have   great   respect   for   the   for   the   French   food.   It&#39;s   the   French   Canadians   that   I   usually   have   food,   food   conflicts   with.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>16:32</time>
      <p>
          See,   and   you&#39;ve   got   two   good   French   Canadian   friends,   which   is   funny.   Yes,   yes.   Um,   but   yeah,   honestly,   it&#39;s   delicious.   I   was   a   Perrier   guy   for   a   while.   Um,   strawberry   Perrier,   grapefruit   Perrier.   But   yeah,   if   uh   and   would   you   drink   sparkling   water   if   they   were   to   send   you   some   that&#39;s   a   thing   I   don&#39;t   even   care,   like   yeah,   I   I   I   I   would,   yeah,   sure,   why   not?   I   probab   I   think   I   calculated   at   one   point   during   the   summer   based   on   how   much,   because   like   literally   I   don&#39;t   really   drink   water,   I   just   drink   sparkling   water.   I   think   it   was   like   $800   or   $1,000   a   year   spending   on   sparkling   water.   And   what&#39;s   garbage   is   that   like   every   tech   company   in   Silicon   Valley   has   free   sparkling   water   like   stacked   up,   which   is   like   it&#39;s   not   a   huge   deal,   but   like,   yeah,   I   mean   I   spend   and   also   I   have   to   cart   the   heavy,   you   know,   12-pack   or   six-pack   things   back   and   forth.   If   I   could   just   get   uh   bubbly   to   send   those   straight   to   my   place,   we   could   we   could   always   start   each   episode   cracking   open   a   bottle   of   bubbly   or   a   can   of   bubbly,   and   uh   we&#39;d   also   get   to   E   B   test   their   new   flavors.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>17:33</time>
      <p>
          Not   for   free   though.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>17:35</time>
      <p>
          We   did   have   a   soda   machine.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>17:37</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   we   but   but   it   wasn&#39;t   like   like   free.   Like   the   soda   machine   was   free.   The   one   food-related   port   perk   at   the   NVIDIA   headquarters   is   so   in   NVIDIA&#39;s   um   like   second   largest   office   is   in   India.   Um   I   don&#39;t   remember   what   um   uh   what   what   percentage   of   the   workforce   uh   uh   is   uh   in   our   India   office,   but   like   it&#39;s   a   large   shop.   Um   and   so   at   the   at   the   headquarters,   the   cafeteria,   there&#39;s   there&#39;s   sort   of   like   two   sections   to   the   cafeteria.   There&#39;s   like   an   American   section   to   the   cafeteria,   and   then   there&#39;s   like   a   very   legit   like   Indian   section   of   the   cafeteria.   And   it&#39;s   oh   like   like   that   is   like   the   section   of   the   cafeteria   that   you   go   to   if   you   want   like   some   quality   food.   Um   so   like   like   that&#39;s   that&#39;s   the   one   the   one   big   perk   to   the   NVIDIA   um   like   like   big   food   perk   to   the   NVIDIA   headquarters,   which   is   there&#39;s   really,   really,   really   good   Indian   food   uh   at   the   cafeteria.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>18:29</time>
      <p>
          You&#39;ve   been   to   the   India   HQ,   I   assume.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>18:32</time>
      <p>
          Uh   no,   no,   no,   no.   I&#39;m   saying   at   the   at   the   US   headquarters.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>18:36</time>
      <p>
          Oh,   yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>18:38</time>
      <p>
          US   headquarters   of   NVIDIA,   because   we   have   um   uh   a   lot   of   uh   engineers   who   who   are   from   India,   um   uh   there   there&#39;s   always   an   Indian   section   of   the   cafeteria.   Um   for   those   who   you   know,   in   particular   because   a   lot   of   folks   from   India   may   have   dietary   restrictions.   Um   and   uh   and   that&#39;s   like   like   I   I   don&#39;t   want   to   say   bad   things   about   you   know   the   NVIDIA   cafeteria.   Like   all   the   food   like   that&#39;s   pretty   good.   But   but   there&#39;s   a   very   different   level   and   quality   between   like   the   American   side   and   the   Indian   side.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>19:14</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.   Yeah,   I   miss   uh   I   was   just   thinking   today   that   I   really   miss   there   was   a   bike   route   that   I   used   to   do.   What   is   that   trail   called   that   goes   sort   of   right   next   to   San   Jose   and   out   to   that   water   reserve?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>19:29</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   uh   San   San   Tomas.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>19:32</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>19:32</time>
      <p>
          That   that   used   to   that   was   my   daily   bike   ride.   That   was   my   daily   bike   ride.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>19:36</time>
      <p>
          I   used   to   go   on   like   a   40k   loop   and   mostly   because   oh   yeah,   I   was   saying   that   it&#39;s   it&#39;s   minus   18,   which   is   zero   degrees   Fahrenheit,   and   feels   like   minus   28   Celsius,   which   is   minus   18   Fahrenheit   right   now.   And   uh   it   is   actually   quite   beautiful,   just   very   cold   in   Toronto.   And   I   was   just   thinking   that   like   right   now   in   in   San   Jose   and   Santa   Clara   and   Sunnyvale,   it&#39;s   probably   quite   quite   nice.   Yeah.   And   uh   I   would   love   to   go   for   a   big   bike   ride   and   you   ever   miss   it?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>20:02</time>
      <p>
          You   ever   miss   California?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>20:03</time>
      <p>
          Oh,   all   the   time.   All   the   time.   I   mean,   um   there&#39;s   definitely   I   haven&#39;t   been   here   long   enough   to   miss   it   yet.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>20:09</time>
      <p>
          But   like   I   miss   some   aspects.   I   miss   some   aspects.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>20:12</time>
      <p>
          I   miss   the   weather.   I   don&#39;t   miss   the   lifestyle,   to   be   honest.   Like   it&#39;s   very   suburban.   I   much   prefer   being   in   a   downtown   sort   of   metropolis   where   I   can   walk   out   the   door   and   there&#39;s   everything   I   could   possibly   need.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>20:23</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>20:23</time>
      <p>
          But   definitely   the   like   the   the   long   bike   rides   every   weekend,   regardless   of   what   time   of   year   it   is,   or   the   long   runs.   And   like   right   now,   I   have   to   you   know   bundle   up   in   several   layers   and   tokes   and   gloves.   And   anyway,   so   there&#39;s   those   pros   and   cons,   but   definitely   the   weather.   I   I   am   envious   of   folks   that   are   have   that   Silicon   Valley   weather   or   California   weather.   Anyways,   enough   about   that.   It&#39;s   maybe   maybe   this   is   gonna   be   literally   Lululemon   and   Bubbly.   Um   come   please   come   sponsor   us   and   we&#39;ll   cut   this   2022.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>20:52</time>
      <p>
          Although   let&#39;s   go   at   some   at   some   at   some   point   we   need   to   have   some   episodes   with   some   actual   meat.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>20:58</time>
      <p>
          No,   no,   you   know   what?   I   love   I   love   this.   Is   it   used   to   start   we   I   I   will   promise   you   that   I   have   a   good   C   algorithm   episode   planned.   We&#39;ll   do   that   at   some   point.   And   um   there&#39;s   a   part   of   me   that   feels   bad   that   like   potentially   we&#39;re   hurting   viewership   by   talking   about   combinators   all   the   time.   But   listen,   I&#39;m   just   too   excited   about   stuff.   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   starting   to   treat   this   uh   podcast   the   same   way   I   treat   my   YouTube   channel.   There&#39;s   certain   types   of   videos   that   I   post   and   they   get   like   you   know   50,000,   75,000,   100,000   views,   and   then   all   the   APL   videos   get   like   a   thousand   or   two   thousand.   But   I   I   love   making   those   APL   videos,   I&#39;m   not   doing   it   for   views.   Uh   technically   I   get   paid   money   by   YouTube,   but   like   I&#39;ve   made   close   to   300   videos,   and   I   think   I&#39;ve   made   $3,000   in   total   since   I   started   the   channel   in   2017.   So   I   don&#39;t   know,   I   don&#39;t   know   what   that   works   out   to,   but   like   but   like   this   is   not   a   video.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>21:48</time>
      <p>
          And   how   many   hours   do   you   spend   on   the   video?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>21:51</time>
      <p>
          This   is   not   uh   this   isn&#39;t   really   changing   anything   for   me   monetarily   speaking.   Um   I&#39;m   gonna   make   don&#39;t
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>22:00</time>
      <p>
          Don&#39;t   quit   your   day   job,   kid.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>22:01</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   I&#39;m   not   gonna   I&#39;m   not   gonna   stop   making   APL   videos   just   because   I   could   increase   my   $10   per   video   to   like,   you   know,   50   or   100.   Anyways,   so   2022,   you   go   first.   What   are   you   looking   forward   to?   Or   and   yeah,   you   can   just   say   if   you   can&#39;t   talk   about   stuff,   because   I   think   last   time   we   did   this,   there   was   a   bunch   of   stuff   we   couldn&#39;t   talk   about.   And   then   we   said   we&#39;d   come   back   and   talk   about   it,   but   I   don&#39;t   know   if   we   really   did.   Although   I   think   we   did,   because   yeah,   with   some   of   it   was   announcing   stuff   at   GTC.   Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>22:26</time>
      <p>
          Um,   well,   so   I&#39;m   um,   I   think   for   me,   one   of   the   big   exciting   things   for   for   this   upcoming   year   is   that   we&#39;re   gonna   be   finalizing   uh   C23.   Um   in   and   um   this   doesn&#39;t   usually   happen,   but   um   C23   is   uh   is   also   being   finalized.   Usually   the   the   the   ship   years   for   C   and   C   don&#39;t   line   up.   Um   and   actually   in   some   ways   it&#39;s   helpful   for   us   if   they   don&#39;t   line   up   because   um   uh   the   C   standard   is   based   on   the   C   standard,   and   so   we   need   a   bit   of   time   to   update   the   C   standard   to   reference   the   latest   C   standard.   Um   uh   and   if   they&#39;re   being   released   concurrently,   that&#39;s   a   little   tricky.   Um   but   I   think   both   are   actually   pretty   exciting.   Um   and   uh   it   it   it&#39;s   looking   like   we   might   um   land   some   some   big   features   in   C23,   but   um   that&#39;s   all   I&#39;m   gonna   say   on   that   for   right   now.   Um   and   uh   yeah,   I   mean   I   think   that   that&#39;s   gonna   be   a   good   chunk   of   my   year.   Um   uh   you   know,   this   is   2022,   but   um   basically   we   said,   you   know,   we   will   uh   uh   finish   C23   this   year   and   then   it&#39;ll   be   published,   you   know,   next   year.   Um   and   uh   and   yes,   so   I   mean   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   excited   about   that.   Um   I   think   that&#39;s   that&#39;s   probably   one   of   the   big   things   for   me.   Yeah.   What   about   you?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>23:57</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   no,   C23,   man.   I&#39;m   getting   excited.   It   could   it   could   even   get   more   exciting   potentially,   but   yeah,   we&#39;ll   talk   about   that   stuff   in   the   future.   Work   stuff   and   some   project   stuff   I   can&#39;t   talk   about.   Probably   what   I&#39;m   most   excited   about   is   is   the   same   thing   that   was   the   highlight   last   year.   And   actually,   I&#39;m   gonna   cut   out   I&#39;m   gonna   cut   out   this   next   thing,   and   then   in   three   years,   we&#39;ll   we&#39;ll   come   back   to   this   if   it   comes   true.   But   so   yeah,   really   focused   on   gonna   be   focused   on   running.   Um   a   couple   of   my   goals   that   I   will   share.   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   my   current   5k   PB   is   like   1725.   I   want   to   like   take   a   minute,   a   minute   and   a   half,   two   minutes   off   that.   And   then   the   thing   that   I&#39;m   gonna   cut   out   is   that   okay,   Connor&#39;s   got   more   ambitious   goals   than   me.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>24:44</time>
      <p>
          Connor&#39;s   got   more   ambitious   goals   than   me.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>24:58</time>
      <p>
          Anyway,   so   end   of   end   of   stuff   being   cut   out,   but   yeah,   um   gonna   really   hope   to   set   some   some   good   personal   bests,   train   hard,   and   um   and   I   got   a   couple   other   goals,   but   yeah,   focus   on   running,   uh   some   exciting   stuff   potentially   gonna   happen   at   work.   What   else   did   I   have?   Oh   yeah,   I   could   be   starting,   you&#39;re   hearing   it   here   first,   folks,   on   ADSP   the   podcast.   I   could   be   starting   a   third   podcast.   I   don&#39;t   have   time   to   do   that   right   now,   but   in   the   second   half   of   2022,   I   love   these,   I   love   these   podcasts.   This   is   like   it&#39;s   like   half   a   catching   up   with   a   friend   and   then   also   getting   to   talk   about   tech   stuff.   It&#39;s   like   a   regularly   scheduled   like   hanging   out   with   a   friend   during   pandemic   times.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>25:39</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   that   that&#39;s   what   that&#39;s   all   it   is.   That&#39;s   all   it   is,   really.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>25:41</time>
      <p>
          And   then   sometimes   we   talk   about   programming   stuff,   sometimes   we   talk   about   how   we   want   Lululemon   and   Bubbly   to   be   our   sponsors   and   to   send   us   free   stuff.   So   yeah,   I   might   I   might   do   that.   And   yeah,   we&#39;ll   leave   it   at   that.   What   do   you   think   about   the   conference   outlook   for   2022?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>26:00</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   that   that   was   the   other   thing   I   was   that   that   was   the   other   thing   I   was   gonna   mention,   which   is   um   I   would   like   to   uh   travel   again   at   some   point   in   in   this   year.   Although   I   honestly   I   um   I   don&#39;t   know.   I   don&#39;t   feel   the   same   like   itch   to   be   traveling   regularly   as   I   used   to   have.   Maybe   it&#39;ll   come   back,   but   um   I&#39;m   supposed   to   go   to   Ireland,   Scotland.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>26:24</time>
      <p>
          Oh,   when   are   you   going   to   Ireland?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>26:26</time>
      <p>
          Uh   I   think   like   May   for   the   JTC1   plenary.   Um   Aspen,   uh   uh   uh   probably   Israel.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>26:36</time>
      <p>
          Um   uh   Denver,   Hawaii,   and   you&#39;re   listening   all   the   locations   that   correspond   to   conferences   or   committee   meetings.   Uh   yeah,   the   the   the   thing   things   that   I   am   tentatively   supposed   to   go   do,   uh,   and   then   I   guess   that&#39;s   a   fun   game   for   the   C   listener   is   to   reverse   engineer   what   those   locations   uh   correspond   to.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>26:59</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.   Um   although   uh   at   least   one   of   those   was   HBC   and   two   of   those   were   JTC1   things,   so   they&#39;ll   probably   probably   not   be   able   to   quite   get   those.   But   uh   I   don&#39;t   know   whether   any   of   those   will   happen.   Um   I   guess   we&#39;ll   just   have   to   see.   Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>27:15</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>27:15</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   but   I   I   would   I   would   like   to   I   would   like   to   to   to   get   back   to   a   uh   an   in-person   C   ⁇   conference   this   year.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>27:24</time>
      <p>
          I   would   yeah,   I   would   like   just   to   get   back   to   a   a   conference,   let   alone   a   C.   Um   Strange   Loop   is   in   October,   and   I   would   love   to   go   to   that   because   I   wanted   to   go   last   year.   But   yeah,   that&#39;s   the   thing   too,   is   NVIDIA&#39;s   policy   currently,   and   I   think   a   lot   of   companies&#39;   policies   are   like   no   no   unnecessary   travel,   which   conferences   fall   under.   So   even   if   you   know   things   got   way   better   in   the   next   four   months,   which   at   the   moment   doesn&#39;t   look   doesn&#39;t   there&#39;s   no   strong   indicators   that   that   is   the   trick   the   trend.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>27:53</time>
      <p>
          I   think   I   won   the   betting   pool   in   my   team   at   work   for   when   NVIDIA&#39;s   March   conference   would   go   uh   uh   you   know   um   all   virtual.   I   think   we   may   we   I   think   we   may   have   talked   about   that   last   week,   but   our   the   company   conference   is   now   all   virtual.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>28:09</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   we   talked   about   it   last   week,   but   the   listeners   heard   about   it   like   a   month   ago   at   this   point.   Even   today   I   was   like,   you   know   what,   we&#39;re   gonna   record   for   30   minutes,   it&#39;s   gonna   be   2022,   and   then   we   got   lots   of   stuff   to   chat   about.   But   yeah,   so   yeah,   conferences   may   or   may   not   happen.   I   know   I   did   see   a   tweet   that   the   conferences   that   that   um   who   did   that   was   it   Timor?   I   think   yeah,   Timor   saw   that.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>28:33</time>
      <p>
          I   saw   that   tweet.   I   think   it&#39;s   a   little   premature   for   us   to   get   excited   about   face-to-face   conferences.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>28:38</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   and   then   that   was   and   I   thought   so   so   Timur   well   we&#39;ll   put   in   the   show   notes   if   folks   are   interested,   had   a   tweet   about   you   know,   five   or   so   conference   C   conferences   that   were   all   planned   to   be   in   person   and   was   sort   of   excited   about   it.   And   then   Tony,   Tony   Van   Eard,   for   those   that   don&#39;t   know   who   Tony   is   when   we   refer   to   Tony   in   the   C   community.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>28:56</time>
      <p>
          Have   we   not   had   Tony   on   this   podcast?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>28:59</time>
      <p>
          We   technically   did.   You   were   not   available   because   it   was   during   C   now,   and   he   did   show   up   halfway   through   because   he   forgot.   Um   but   he   has   he   has   been   one   of   our   how   many   guests   have   we   had   on?   Sean,   uh   Ben   Dean,   Tony,   that   that&#39;s   okay,   Dave   Abrahams.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>29:14</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   another   goal   for   next   for   the   second   year.   More   guests.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>29:17</time>
      <p>
          Oh,   yeah,   yeah,   yeah.   Who   and   uh   Eric   and   Otto.   So   is   that   six   in   total?   Oh   no,   and   and   Chandler   and   Patricia.   How   can   we   forget   them?   So   that&#39;s   we&#39;ve   actually   had   eight   guests.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>29:26</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.   I   want   Tony   back.   Tony,   come,   come,   come   to   our   podcast.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>29:30</time>
      <p>
          Should   he   be   our   first?   Oh   yeah,   let&#39;s   uh   I   mean   we   already   rattled   off   in   our   2021,   which   hasn&#39;t   been   released   yet,   although   the   listener   has   heard   it   by   this   point.   Uh   Jesus,   I&#39;m   doing   some   mental   gymnastics,   kind   of   trying   to   keep   straight   of   like   what   has   the   listener   heard.   It&#39;s   pretty   easy,   Connor.   It&#39;s   sequential.   What   we&#39;ve   said,   the   listener   has   heard,   pending   that   they   listen   to   all   the   episodes.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>29:51</time>
      <p>
          Which,   if   you   have   my   apologies.   My   sincere,   my   sincere   apologies   to   you.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>29:57</time>
      <p>
          Oh   listener.   I   I&#39;m   not   I&#39;m   not   apologizing   um   at   all.   I   wish,   because   this   is,   I   honestly,   I   have   to   say,   it&#39;s   this   is   stays   pretty   true   to   the   podcast   that   this   is   based   on   Magic   Read   Along,   of   just   two   guys   that   sounds   like   they&#39;re   hopping   on   the   call   with   each   other,   and   for   the   first   six   minutes   they   chat   about   what   the   person&#39;s   cooking   on   the   barbecue,   or   you   know,   literally   one   time   they   record   and   the   guy&#39;s   got   a   baby   in   his   lap.   And   he&#39;s   like,   Do   you   should   we   really   be   recording   right   now?   And   he&#39;s   like,   Oh,   yeah,   that&#39;s   good.   The   baby&#39;s   fine.   And   he&#39;s   like,   I   feel   bad,   man.   Like,   you   go   take   care   of   your   family.   We   don&#39;t   need   to   record   one   of   these   right   now.   So,   like,   half   the   podcast   is   like   one   of   the   co-hosts   uh   feeling   bad   about   the   fact   that   they&#39;re   recording   because   he&#39;s   got   a   baby   in   his   lap.   Um   I   wish   if   so   the   reason   I   said   oh   is   um   I   was   thinking   the   other   day,   I   wish   that   there   were   more   podcasts   like   this   kind   of   style.   And   maybe   there   are,   and   I   just   don&#39;t   know   about   them.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>30:51</time>
      <p>
          So   if   the   Before   we   got   off   on   this   tangent,   weren&#39;t   you   talking   about   a   third   podcast   that   you   wanted   to   start   that   you   still   have   not   explained   what   it   is?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>30:58</time>
      <p>
          Oh,   yeah,   yeah.   I   mean,   should   I   should   I   explain   what   that   podcast   is   gonna   be   or   should   I   leave   it   as   a   surprise?   Um   man,   and   we   really   dropped   the   ball.   This   is   the   mistake   I&#39;m   not   gonna   make   with   my   third   podcast.   You   know,   you   know   how   many   views,   according   to   our   little   Buzz   Sprout   site,   if   we   go   to   stats,   guess   how   much   views   our   f   episode   zero   has   and   then   versus   episode   one?   Or   actually   guess   the   ratio   first.   Because   that   that&#39;s   the   ratio   will   be   easier   to   guess   than   the   actual   magnitude   on   each   of   these.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>31:37</time>
      <p>
          What   uh   I   guess   maybe   episode   one   is   a   lot   more.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>31:40</time>
      <p>
          Uh   by   episode   one,   if   you   mean   episode   zero,   then   yes.   Or   zero   indexed.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>31:46</time>
      <p>
          Well,   wait,   you   said   guess   how   many   I   think   episode   zero   and   episode   one   have?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>31:49</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>31:50</time>
      <p>
          And   I   I   said   I   gu   I   suppose   that   one   probably   has   more.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>31:54</time>
      <p>
          No.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>31:55</time>
      <p>
          Okay.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>31:55</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   a   ste   it&#39;s   a   s   it&#39;s   a   steady   drop   off.   The   point   that   I&#39;m   about   to   highlight   here   is   that   like   anyone   that&#39;s   thinking   about   starting   a   podcast,   maybe   record   a   few,   figure   out   the   audio   issues,   and   then   re   release   those   as   like   episodes   20   through   23.   Yeah.   Uh   because   the   qu   I   think   the   quality   of   your   phone.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>32:13</time>
      <p>
          Oh,   yeah,   I&#39;ve   listened   to   episode   zero,   the   audio   is   not   good.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>32:15</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   yeah.   Um   you   gonna   guess   or   do   you   do   you   want   me   to   tell   you   the   stats?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>32:20</time>
      <p>
          What   what&#39;s   what   tell   me   the   stats?   Give   it   its   name.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>32:22</time>
      <p>
          Episode   zero   is   twelve   thousand   eight   hundred   eighty-six,   and   episode   one   is   four   thousand   eight   hundred   and   six.   And   I   think   that&#39;s   like   a   normal   thing   for   a   lot   of   podcasts.   It&#39;s   like   the   the   episode   your   first   episode   is   gonna   for   all   of   time   have   the   most,   unless   if   it   goes   super   viral   at   some   point.   Um,   but   just   I   feel   it   it   hurts   my   soul   because   I   I   know   our   audio   is   not   as   good   as   it   is   now.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>32:46</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>32:47</time>
      <p>
          Not   that   it   in   the   long   term   makes,   I   think,   a   huge   difference,   but   it&#39;s   still   there&#39;s   a   part   of   my   soul   that   it   hurts   a   tiny   bit.   That   was   totally   a   totally   a   digression.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>32:56</time>
      <p>
          Do   I   tell   people   what&#39;s   the   new   podcast?   What&#39;s   the   new   podcast?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>33:00</time>
      <p>
          Uh   should   I   should   I   tell   people?   I   don&#39;t   know.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>33:01</time>
      <p>
          I   feel   like   it&#39;s-   You   can&#39;t   you   can&#39;t   not   tell   people   now.   You   can&#39;t   like   don&#39;t   be   a   tease.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>33:06</time>
      <p>
          Okay.   The   podcast   will   be   called.   And   actually,   I   recorded   a   pilot   episode   of   this   back   in,   I   believe,   early   April   or   late   March   of   2019,   before   my   first   ever   conference   talk   at   C   now.   Uh,   but   I   messed   up   my   audio   and   then   things   went   crazy   after   that   conference,   and   so   I   never   got   back   to   it.   And   uh   I   act   I   still   actually   have   the   domain   name   for   the   Programming   Language   Podcast.com.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>33:35</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   yeah,   yeah.   I   I   vaguely   remember   you   telling   me   about   this.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>33:39</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   and   the   and   the   style   is   gonna   be   somewhat   similar   to   this,   but   more   just   like,   you   know,   guests   that   I   want   to   talk   to   are   like   Guy   Steele,   um,   Chris   Lattner,   you   know,   basically   programming   programming   language   designers   and   enthusiasts,   might   have   someone   like   Context   Freon   who&#39;s   got   a   YouTube   channel,   and   um   yeah,   a   ton   of   people   that   I   want   to   talk   to   that   are   basically   just   like   PL   experts.   Uh   Marshall   Lockbaum,   who   is   the   creator   of   BQN,   probably   he   will   be   my   most   frequent   guest   because   I   have   so   many   questions   for   that   guy.   Um,   although   those   episodes   are   gonna   be   the   most   esoteric,   and   me   being   like,   okay,   listen,   why   did   you   get   rid   of   this   Unicode   symbol   and   replace   the   meaning   of   this   Unicode   symbol   in   the   dyadic   case?   And   let&#39;s   talk   about   how   you   can   spell   the   D2   combinator   in   BQN.   And   um   those   those   episodes   will   come   with   uh   sort   of   you   know,   warner,   listener,   beware.   Um   but   we&#39;ll   see.   I   don&#39;t   really   have   the   time   at   all   to   do   that.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>34:40</time>
      <p>
          Weren&#39;t   you   supposed   to   have   a   co-host   for   that   for   that   podcast?   Yeah,   yeah,   yeah.   Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>34:44</time>
      <p>
          David   David   Kunst   was   the   uh   main   host   of   LambdaCast.   And   so   that   that   episode   that   the   pilot   episode   that   we   recorded   um   was   with   him.   I   feel   really   bad   about   that.   That   like   he   agreed   to   like   do   an   episode   and   then   I   just   kind   of   I   don&#39;t   think   I   disappeared.   I   sent   him   an   email   saying   I   messed   up   the   audio,   so   I&#39;ll   have   to   see   if   I&#39;m   gonna   go   forward   with   this.   But   he   was   treating   it   as   sort   of   like   a   test   run.   And   I   wonder,   I   wonder   if   he   listens   to   this   or   knows   that   I   now   have   two   other   podcasts   because   he   probably   remembers   that   guy   that   he   did   a   podcast   recording   of   this   thing   he   just.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>35:19</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   like   one   of   those,   it&#39;s   like   I&#39;m   sure   everybody   has   had   that   that   one   project   that   they   they   did   some   of   the   work   for   it,   but   then   like   there   was   some   roadblock,   and   then   they   it   just   fell   in   the   back   burner.   And   then   just   like   three   years   later,   you&#39;re   like,   oh   yeah,   yeah,   like   one   day   I&#39;m   gonna   get   back   to   that.   I   had   that   happen   with   this   one   academic   paper   that   um   it   was   a   really   good   paper   about   uh   uh   the   performance   of   HPX&#39;s   threads   um   uh   scheduler.   And   like   I   had   like   a   hard   drive   die,   and   like   I   lost   like   a   bunch   of   the   data   for   the   paper,   and   then   like   it   just   like   threw   me   off   like   finishing   it,   and   then   like   I   left   LSU   and   I   was   at   Berkeley   Lab   and   like   just   never   got   around   to   like   reproducing,   like   it   was   like   90%   done.   Um,   and   I   just   like   never   got   around   to   finishing   it.   And   like   at   some   point   I   was   just   like,   you   know   what?   I&#39;m   just   gonna   move   on   with   my   life.   I&#39;m   just   gonna   move   on.   It   just   wasn&#39;t   meant   to   be.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>36:10</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   sometimes   projects,   yeah,   they   just   sort   of   hit   a   wall.   And   if   I   think   it   was   less   that   it   hit   it&#39;s   a   combination   of   hitting   a   wall   and   then   also   a   bunch   of   other   things   going   on.   Because   if   if   I   hadn&#39;t   gone   and   spoken   at   C   now   and   um   that   sort   of   started   a   chain   reaction   of   things,   yeah,   I   probably   would   have   been   able   to   spend   more   time   focusing   on   because   I   my   goal   was   to   go   and   re-record   my   own   audio   and   still   have   his   audio   work,   which   I   actually   have   done   once   for   like   five   minutes   of   one   of   these   episodes,   uh   where   my   audio   wasn&#39;t   working,   but   like   to   do   it   for   like   an   hour   and   a   half   would   if   that&#39;s   like   a   half   day,   full   day   activity.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>36:46</time>
      <p>
          Well,   and   it   it&#39;s   it&#39;s   like   I   feel   like   these   what   one   of   the   common   attributes   of   these   like   you   know   projects   that   you   never   get   back   around   to   is   like   you   had   something   that   was   like   perfect   and   golden,   and   then   like   some   part   of   it   was   lost,   and   then   you   have   to   try   to   replicate   it   again.   Right.   You&#39;ll   never   quite   get   back   to   what   it   was,   and   so   then   you&#39;re   always   it   always   feels   inadequate.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>37:09</time>
      <p>
          And   also,   too,   like   the   the   act   of   doing   something   for   the   second   time,   a   lot   of   the   times   it&#39;s   just   like   it&#39;s   hard   to   get   as   excited   about,   like,   you   know,   going   and   re   recording   your   own   audio,   which   is   clearly   not   going   to   be   as   authentic   as   like   the   first   time   round.   That&#39;s   just   like   you   know,   walking   through   mud   up   to   your   knees   kind   of   kind   of   activity.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>37:25</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   exactly.   Exactly.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>37:27</time>
      <p>
          Anyways,   so   let&#39;s   let&#39;s   stop   this   recording.   Twenty   twenty   two.   It&#39;s   gonna   be   great.   Stay   tuned.   Thanks   for   listening.   We   hope   you   enjoyed   and   have   a   great   day.
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