Conor

I had there's a new, I don't actually remember the name of the place, but there's a Montreal bagel place that just opened in Toronto. And they had these very small, the holes were very large in them. I was a bit confused on why there was not more bagel. And I I gotta be honest, I was like, I took a bite and was my first thought was this is not as good as the bagels I had in New York.

Bryce

Oh I swear I did not pay Connor anything for that.

Conor

Welcome to ADSP the podcast episode 73, recorded on April 14th, 2022. My name is Connor, and today with my co-host Bryce, we interview Jason Walter and Patrice Roy on the upcoming CPP North conference in Toronto, Canada, as well as bagels and so much more. Dear listener, this is Connor from the Editing Bay, and I just quickly wanted to let you know that there were a plethora of issues, audio issues, issues of Bryce hopping around from topic to topic. So, one, the audio at about the 40% mark is gonna get slightly uh worse due to the fact that we had to switch to the audio from the zoom recording. And also, chopping this episode up is probably the hardest episode I've had to edit so far. So we're gonna be jumping around. This episode is going to be primarily focusing on CPP North and related topics, and we'll have a second part to this episode that's gonna focus on the other tangential topics that we talked about. So strap in, enjoy, and in two weeks' time, hopefully we'll be back to crystal clear audio for the duration of the full podcast. All right, well, maybe we should just go ahead and and get started. I mean, this will be the second time out of three times that we've had two guests on where one of the guests did not show up. So we got a really bad track record. We're at a 67% track record of our uh starting with only one guest.

Bryce

And no, wait, wait, did that happen with the did that happen with uh Patricia and Chandler?

Conor

Oh no, four times. Whoops, my bad. Boom. Boom. All right, so yeah, the if the the avid listener will be trying to think in their heads. So yeah, we have Patricia.

Bryce

Wait, and when when we had when we had Eric and and his dad, they were both on.

Conor

Yeah, so it seems like when you're there, except for today, both guests show up. Um but when we did the C Now recording, which you weren't there for because you were busy working on your talk, um Tony didn't show up until like halfway through. So that's typical Tony. I mean, is that is he the only Canadian of all of the folks that we just mentioned? So maybe it's a Canadian thing. Although Jason, you're Canadian, right? I'm dual. I have both uh US and Canadian. So that's why that's why you showed up on time.

Bryce

Tony Van Aer does not show up late. He shows up exactly when he's needed.

Conor

No, he was he was needed at the beginning.

Bryce

This happened all the time on the C committee, where like you'd be in a room and you'd be talking about something, and then very suddenly, like, Tony would like ask some question and you'd be like, ooh, when did Tony get here? And it's always like a really important question.

Conor

No, I'm gonna stick with my theory that only the Canadians have not shown up and and potentially it will be two for two on Canadians showing up mid-podcast. Um because I don't think yeah, I don't think Patricia and Channel.

Bryce

So speaking of C ⁇ now, C ⁇ now is coming up in two weeks. Um it's coming up in two weeks. That with the program was just published. I'm gonna be giving a talk there about uh C standard parallelism, um, all the cool parallel programming uh features in uh C and all the cool parallel programming features that we're planning to add to C ⁇ in the next few years. Um and uh there's some very exciting keynotes. Um and I just think it's a it's gonna be a great program. It'll uh it'll be really cool because the first time I went to um Aspen was for BoostCon 2011, which was the conference before C ⁇ Now, and it was a two-track conference at the time, and it was about you know maybe 50 or 60 people. Um and this year C ⁇ Now will be a two-track conference, and it'll be about you know that same number of people. So it'll be the same size and and scale as when I first attended back at the start of my career. So um I'm excited for it.

Conor

Are you excited for another conference too, Bryce?

Bryce

I am excited for another conference. I'm actually very excited for C North. Um, which which so I I'll tell you how excited I am for C North. So C North I think the last day of the conference is July 20th. And July 21st is a national holiday in the US because it's my birthday and I I am choosing to go to C North and spend my birthday in Canada, uh, which is like a big deal. A big deal.

Jason Walter

I think I saw the tweet on this. I think I saw the tweet on this where you were asking for recomm recommendations for restaurants.

Bryce

There's I I have already selected the restaurant that Connor is taking me to for my birthday, which is Alo, which is supposed to be the nicest restaurant in Canada.

Conor

So You know, I I was thinking yesterday, and we haven't even we haven't even introduced our our solo guest of the two that that uh did show up, but I was already yesterday thinking, how quickly when we get to the topic of CPP North, is Bryce gonna mention his birthday? Will we even get to anything about CPP North before that comes up? And listener, you have not been disappointed. It was it was I mean, I want to say it was almost negative time to CPP North. It was CPP North, and then boom, you know why I'm really excited about this conference? And uh I gotta say, Bryce, you just you did not disappoint. I had high expectations for you, and you delivered. You delivered. Um, but it's gonna be it's gonna be conference day, conference day, conference day. Birthday. So it's just gonna be a big it's gonna be a big party.

Bryce

Yeah.

Conor

But yes, let's introduce uh Jason Walter. I don't actually know, Jason, if there are different titles on the board members for CPP North, or if you were just a board member, or is do you have a special title for No special title? No special title? Just a director. Just a director.

Jason Walter

Yeah, just a director.

Conor

So yeah, maybe you want to introduce yourself and talk about how CPP North started, as I'm sure most of our listeners know that this is the first time this conference will be taking place. And I think the first ever C conference in Canada?

Jason Walter

Yeah, I believe so. I think I think this will be the first C conference in Canada. Yeah. Um, at least I'm not aware of another one. Uh yeah, so I guess um yeah, to start, I'll start back the origin story. We'll do the origin story here. Um, so uh, you know, a colleague of mine, Mike Dom, uh he and I were working on a project together at Autodesk, and I think there was one day that we were uh we were together, and I remember him looking up, he's like, is there a C meetup in Toronto? And you know, he was like actively searching for a C meetup in in the Toronto area, and he actually found that there was one that had been started a long time ago, but the person who had been organizing it had since left Toronto and it was kind of just a stale meetup. So he kind of went off and he's like, I'm gonna restart this. So he actually went out and reached out to the person who had originally started the meetup, took over the meetup page, um, and started organizing uh actual meetups. And then uh along the way, he's like, Do you want to you know co-organize with me? And I'm like, Yeah, sure, I'll help out. Like, I kind of believed in the the mission of like inclusion and learning and uh just you know, community. We thought that Toronto was a great uh C development community, so it kind of started organically from there. Although Mike will say that he always kind of had the plan for a conference, and I was a bit resistant to it. Like I was like, a conference sounds like a lot of work. Um, and you know, over time I I kind of thought, yeah, I think we could do a conference here, and I think there it would be a great conference to do. So um about um two years ago, we kind of you know organized ourselves under the an organization called CPP Toronto. We officially called it CPP Toronto, and then we established a board of directors. So uh Mike and I were on the the first board of directors, and then we invited um uh three others. So Kate Gregory, uh, she has been an excellent advisor for us uh all along the way. Um uh I'm gonna butcher their names and I'm gonna apologize now because I I always butcher names. Um uh Natalie uh Liebizon and um Diana Oeda um were also asked to join. And so we we started um organizing meetups together uh as a board and then um then started uh planning uh a C conference. So the original goal was to do a conference in July of 2021. Um but obviously there were things happening around the world that were not not uh not a good time to plan a public uh get together or event. And so we decided you know let's let's put a stake in the ground and and uh do our first conference in um uh of you know July of this year, July 2022. So that's that's where we are. So I mean in our mission all along has kind of been have a place that people can connect and learn and have fun about C ⁇ . Um, you know, we you know we were doing meetups in person and then we did them virtually, and we invited you know the world to do those virtually with us, and um, and we now wanted to just invite the world to come to Toronto, which we think is a great place to kind of um you know that kind of uh underlines the themes that we have. Like we we believe in diversity, inclusion, culture, you know, and anyone, we believe anyone can should be able to learn C and be a part of the community. So uh that's that's where we we are now. So we're looking forward to inviting people.

Bryce

That's great. Uh yeah, and I I I think um I think I participated in one of the C Toronto virtual meetups. I feel like you've participated in a couple.

Conor

You did you did um one of the debates. I can't remember if you were the moderator or the person making arguments. I think maybe one time you were a moderator, a mut one time you were arguing. Uh there was like what belongs in the C standard library? Yeah, yeah, that one is. I feel like Tony Tony and you were both on a panel because you go back and forth.

Bryce

That's right. Yeah. Well, you know, so so I think yes, it's the first conference in Canada, but I think it's another first, which is I believe it's the first C conference on the Eastern Seaboard, unless time zone at least.

Conor

Oh yeah. Yeah. That is a good point. Yeah. How come New York's not had a conference?

Bryce

There have been there have been some talks about a Gotham Congress.

Conor

Look at this. The two podcast hosts of ADSP setting up setting up rival conferences probably at the same time in the future.

Bryce

You know, one one when we were considering new locations for CPPCon to um the the finalist locations were sort of either going to be this the Denver location that was selected, um, and the other location I think was gonna be somewhere in Atlanta. Um uh and oh, I think that would have been great, yeah. But the you know, there's having the conference on the Eastern Seaboard I think is is great because it's easier for folks from Europe to get there. Um and uh it's not that much of a stretch for West Coast folks to get there. Obviously, it makes it harder from anybody from Asia to attend the conference. Um, but uh I I think it it was already pretty challenging if you're gonna to go to something like uh, you know, CPPCon if you were in Japan. Um uh whereas if you're in uh you know London um going to C North versus something like CPP Con when it was in Seattle, you know, it'll be almost you'll cut the flight time in half, basically. So I think we could see more of an international audience at this conference.

Jason Walter

No, I and I think um you know Toronto is a very accessible city across the world, like a lot of direct like it's the largest airport in Canada, so you know, a lot of flights come in.

Bryce

It's very easy to get to from Europe and from you know Asia, even there's direct flights from Asia into And it it can also be easier for an international audience to get uh a a tourist or a travel visa to go into um Canada than it can be in some cases to get into the US.

Conor

Look at this. Bryce is putting together like a little pitching deck for us. Uh I never even thought about that, but it's true that the first time I flew to Europe from uh Toronto, I was confused on why it only took like five or six hours because every time in my life I had flown to Europe at that point, I had been on the West Coast, uh, which is like an extra whatever, you know, three or four or five hours, depending on exactly where you are. And uh I was like, I remember taking longer to get uh to Europe, but obviously that's because you're on the other side of the country, which at the time I had not put together.

Bryce

So yeah, it's very exciting. I mean, and can Canada is one of the great, you know, C hubs. Um so I suspect we'll see a lot of local Canadian programmers there.

Jason Walter

We we even if you look at Toronto itself, I mean there's been some recent news articles that uh you know identify Toronto as one of the fastest growing tech centers in North America now. You know, you've but compared to San Francisco, New York, Austin, you know, all the big places, you know, Toronto is the you know right up there.

Bryce

So it does it does seem like there's a real exodus from from the the Bay Area. Like half half of my half of my uh colleagues have uh have moved to New York around the same time that I did.

Conor

Yeah, I aren't there several different like you know, of the Fang or Mang or you know, Mania or whatever the acronyms are. Uh like I think Google, they're they're building a big office actually right by the hotel that the conference is taking place at. Um and I think there's there's some purported number of jobs that they're bringing into the city with with that building. And I feel like there's a couple other uh companies as well that are you know setting up shop. I think Toronto was on the short list of companies for Amazon's H HQ2, which they obviously didn't end up getting, but which may or may not have been a good thing or bad thing, uh depending on who you ask.

Bryce

Um and uh you know we had a we had a we hosted a committee meeting in Toronto, I feel like uh it was the summer of 2016. Um maybe maybe there's gonna be another committee meeting in uh uh in the future because hey, all I'm saying, if we did if we did C ⁇ North around the same time and year uh in 2023, that's around the time when the C Plus Plus committee meets. Yeah. So you could do the committee meeting the week before and then everybody come to the conference.

Jason Walter

I would be more than happy to invite the you know, have the committee come up here, and yes, we are planning on it. There'll be a 2023 edition of CBP North.

Conor

Um so wasn't there or maybe this maybe I'm not recalling this correctly, but at one point in time was the tentative plan, like wasn't there a month a planned Montreal committee meeting, and then uh the conference was gonna be juxtaposed with that? Was that the tentative plan? Or is that that making it?

Jason Walter

We had I think we did reach out to the committee and they they had plans to meet in either Montreal or New York City. Like I think I can't remember exactly there wasn't Montreal, actually, you're right. There was prior to COVID, there was a Montreal meeting scheduled for the 2021 yeah uh time frame. And I think that's you know, we kind of aligned our dates around that origin initially.

Conor

And um and then there was a New York one the next year, which we were kind of aligning with, but then that obviously also Yeah, unfortunately.

Bryce

Although that was not a New York meeting, that was a JFK meeting.

Conor

A what?

Bryce

Uh it was a meeting at the JFK airport. I know I I actually was pretty excited because it was at the old, it was there's this hotel at the old TWA terminal at JFK, and that's where where we were gonna host the meeting, and it's supposed to be a really cool hotel, a lot of aviation history, as Connor knows. I love planes.

Conor

That's true. He does love planes.

Bryce

Now, the only problem is I literally would have had to stay at the hotel. It is impractical to commute from Manhattan to JFK every day. It would be like an hour and a half if I took uh the train, and it would probably be as long if I took a cab and also be very expensive.

Conor

This won't surprise the listener, but uh when Bryce I've been at an airport with Bryce, and Bryce likes to sit by the window and identify the 747s, 737s, and he he says, I've got five planes out there. He refers to them as his planes, and I'm like, What are you talking about, Bryce? And he says, Oh, those are my planes. You know, he's I that's a 737, that's a whatever, whatever. Oh this is awesome. This is awesome.

Bryce

Which which lounge when was that?

Conor

Bryce not even paying attention, not even paying attention. What just happened, Bryce?

Bryce

I see, I see. When was that? I'm trying to remember when was that that we were on the flight to?

Conor

It was in it was in the crazy Europe trip of 2019 and in early.

Bryce

Were we on the same plane? Were we sitting next to each other?

Conor

We were at one point because you were trying to write some algorithm and you were like, I need your input on this. And I was like, I just want to read a book. But we have we have to welcome, I was right. I had a theory. What or Bryce, you need to say something?

Bryce

Yeah, yeah. I was I was gonna say one of the great things about uh uh C North is that it's not at the airport, it's right in like the heart of uh of the downtown area, it's in a really good location.

Conor

We've gotten lots of great quotes from Bryce here. It's a great international conference, easier to get into Canada, and it's not at an airport. Um and uh Patrice wasn't here for this earlier, but I had a theory that all of our Canadian guests, when invited on with another, they like to show up halfway through because there's another well-known Canadian Tony that did this before. And uh Patrice has now made it two for two. Welcome, Patrice. How's it going?

Patrice Roy

Doing fine. I was planning on being there at 10, so in Canada was lucky. I saw your email earlier today and had 10 on my inbox.

Bryce

Uh maybe we have a time zone thing.

Conor

Oh, yeah, because don't they have the skip ahead, skip behind or something?

Bryce

Yeah, yeah, or a daylight same inside thing. We're all in the same time zone.

Patrice Roy

I am there. I'm glad to be there.

Bryce

Hi there. Hey, how are you doing? It's been a while since I've seen you.

Patrice Roy

You know those unlikely things when you have a teaching schedule that they're kind of short, yeah.

Bryce

Yeah. So we've got we've got Professor Patrice here. And uh well, okay, okay. Here's another thing that that this is gonna probably lead to more Connor edits because I I think that the answer here is in the negative. But um uh is there a virtual option for C North if you want to attend the conference remotely?

Jason Walter

No, we we decided we did not want to have complication.

Bryce

Connor, you're gonna have to cut this out later. Cut out this section right here.

Conor

Why? This is a valuable information for the uh the listener to know. Yeah, the stuff that I end up you know cutting out or cutting in. Um we've got a special episode 200 coming for folks where if if you listened to the last episode, I think it was episode 72, it ended right at right at a cliffhanger. We were talking about real serious life stuff. And Bryce starts to go on a long-winded tangent about projecting his life into the future. And so we're gonna release that in like three years.

Bryce

I think Bryce makes some predictions.

Conor

He's like, Oh yeah, by episode 200, that'll that'll definitely be the case for sure, for sure.

Bryce

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I now I remember. Yes, yeah. But we can't we can't talk about that too loudly because my mother is within within the earshot.

Conor

Oh, yes, yes, that's fine. We'll stay on topic. All right, so uh Jason uh introduced, or actually, you didn't you introduced the conference. Um and you briefly you briefly sort of mentioned that you worked, I think, at Autodesk. But do you want to finish introducing yourself and then we'll hop to Patrice and Patrice can introduce himself.

Jason Walter

Um Yeah, so I I um now I work at Epic Games. I'm on the virtual production uh team developing tools for um for virtual production workflows, uh mostly centered around in-camera vfx right now. Um and so that's my primary responsibility there.

Bryce

Do you know Tim?

Jason Walter

Tim? Tim Sweeney. I I've met I have met Tim and yeah, he's a he's he's you know very nice. I I mean I have all positive things you know about about Tim. Yeah.

Bryce

He would be a great uh we should get we should get him the keynote in a future C North. Oh, that would be so cool.

Conor

I mean, you'd be that's sort of like uh what do you call that? Throwing spaghetti at the wall or the shooting blindly, because like his his his takes on C'hit and miss if you follow him on Twitter.

Bryce

Yeah, but I I just I love that he is like a CEO and that he has hot takes on about C on Twitter. Like there's not a lot of CEOs that have hot takes about programming languages on Twitter. I'm just saying.

Conor

That's true. Although that puts you in a boat with Elon Musk because he's he said things about programming languages.

Bryce

Please, please, let's not, let's not, let's not compare Tim Sweeney and Elon Musk. Tim Sweeney is somebody that I have respect for.

Conor

All right, so now that you've just heard Patrice a couple of times, we'll throw it to you, Patrice. And uh and for those of you that haven't picked up, Jason and I are both in Toronto, whereas Patrice is uh uh close. He's actually sort of in between. Between uh New York and Toronto. So uh I'll throw it to you, Patrice.

Patrice Roy

Yeah, so about five five hours-ish away from both of them. It's like a triangle sort of. I'm in Montreal, yeah. So hi, I'm Patrice. I'm a professor, I'm a member of the committee, and I'm normally on time for my meetings.

Bryce

So, where where are you a professor?

Patrice Roy

Uh in two places. I have two full-time jobs. So I teach in uh a college named Collage, which is close to where I live, like a go there by bus. And I also teach at Sherbrooke University and then two different campuses, one that's south of Montreal, which is public transit accessible, and one that's three hours drive away. So depending on the days, I drive a bit, or I just take the bus.

Bryce

And so so you're so you're a full-time teaching professor.

Patrice Roy

Two times, yeah. I do I have two full-time jobs, which makes keeping up with meetings a bit complicated sometimes.

Bryce

But and you teach uh do you teach C?

Patrice Roy

Well, yeah, yeah. In college, they put uh C away recently. They went to a more web-oriented kind of thing, so they do other languages more now. Uh at university, I do only C stuff here.

Bryce

This is, I think this is the well, yeah, this is the first time we've had an actual teacher on the program.

Patrice Roy

Well, I'm glad to be the first. I hope I won't be the last. There are others, of course. Oh yeah. I've been doing that for a long while. It's my 23rd year doing that uh this year.

Bryce

You know, it's interesting. I um I get asked a lot um these days by people for sort of like learning resources or how to get started with C. Or one question I get frequently is like, how do I learn? Like, I want to get a job at NVIDIA. How do I learn, you know, enough C to have the right skills for y'all? And I never know how to answer this question because I um I feel like I always learn very hands-on. Like I just immediately go to like experimenting and you know, exam completely example driven. And so I never, I I I'm not somebody who learns well through like talks or books and whatnot. Um, this is something that Connor and I have talked about in the past. Um, but I feel like I feel like as somebody who's who gets asked this question a lot and who is like sort of seen as uh you know one of the leaders in the C community, I should have a better answer to this. So maybe you can help me develop a better answer for like like when people want learning resources, where should I point them?

Jason Walter

I actually have a good suggestion there. And I would say, and then this is actually resonates personally for me because I think around 2018 I went to a conference and I attended a workshop. And I at the time I was kind of had C11 knowledge, but nothing, you know, really more than that. And I went to uh workshop at a conference and I you know kind of learned a little bit about C 17 and kind of brushed up some skills there. So I think I think that kind of segues into one of the reasons we have the trees on this call in terms of learning C.

Patrice Roy

Oh, that's really sweet. Yeah, I don't think it's a matter of amount of C. You know, you put that in uh in terms of quantity, but it's a very big language. So you have to you you can actually focus on some things. I think you can learn about programming with C without problem. Uh Connor and I have discussed that in the past. And you don't have to show anything complicated to get people started. And it's the kind of language that you can you can grow from and grow through and learn the things that you need along the way and get better at over time, but we can start very nicely with C. If they want to do something like what you do with Nvidia, they will probably need to get a bit lower level from time to time, then but they don't need to learn that right away. They can let it uh grow through them. It will work.

Conor

Uh Patrice, you mentioned so that you you teach most of the time in French, but you are going to be giving a class in English at CPP North. Do you want to tell us about that?

Patrice Roy

I will. I've done that quite a few times in the past too. So uh when uh your colleague Jason Mike contacted me saying, hey, we need a class there, uh you do have something to recommend or suggest. I went through a pile of things I had written as class proposals in the past. Now, the thing is when COVID struck, uh there were uh training budgets here where I live where I said, well, prepare classes and we'll train people while they can go to work. And I had written a number of offerings like that, that uh some of them got used, some not. And one of them was a generic introduction to generic programming thing uh over many languages, not just C. And uh people uh hooked to that and said, Well, that sounds interesting. I'd do that, but just in C and please go deep. So I wrote something like that. It was quite a lot of fun, really. I gave the class already once in French. Uh, we had a lot of pleasure. So from the ground up, you we start, you've maybe done macros and nothing else, and then you move way up to concepts and then pretty stuff going through traits and uh template template parameters and stuff. Uh and yeah, it was very, very, very well received. So when I suggested that for CPP North, they said, well, yeah, but put more concepts because concepts are cool. So I said, well, why not? Concepts are cool indeed. So it's a generic programming class from the ground up. You start presuming that you know almost nothing, and well, you're not expert at the end because you need practice. But we go through stuff, look at lots of exam uh of examples, try to make people understand what's important, why it's important, how it works. Uh, debug yourself when you get error messages like Reno Templates can provide you. And yeah, make it something enjoyable for everyone so that when you get out of the class, you know what you're talking about.

Jason Walter

I think you have the best title too. Like you forgot to mention the actual title of it is generic programming from strange to normal.

Patrice Roy

That that's the intent. You know, it looks weird when you start, and in the end, well, it's a well, I could do that for a living and I'd be happy to do that. So that's yeah. I I I like people to get out of the class and be happy about what they got. So I want them to maybe not feel they're proficient because 15 hours it's not enough. But want to do more, enjoy yourself, know that you got the basics right and that you can actually solve problems yourself. So yeah, yeah, I think we're gonna have a great time.

Conor

That sounds like a really interesting um course, too, because it there's gonna be something for everyone, right? If you haven't done any sort of generic programming, you can still come and you're gonna be starting from the ground up. But also if you're with some familiarity, whatever level that is, C11 sort of template metaprogramming, or even you've started to dabble in C20, it still sounds like uh folks that are interested are gonna be able to come away with having learned something at, you know, and it's sort of like depending on where you're at in your learning curve, uh, you might find different parts of the course sort of, oh, that's the stuff that really clicks. Um that's a kind of interesting model versus like some courses are just you know everything in C20 and they they don't do a lot of depth, they just do a lot of breadth. And if you try and cover that, like some of those courses are really, really good, but you definitely aren't gonna come away with the some same kind of depth as compared to a course where you sort of just focus on one thing and and go through that in detail.

Patrice Roy

Yeah, but I I think I think you need both kind of classes though. So sometimes, well, the game people that I work with the pic from time to time. The games people, sometimes what they want to do is they're in between two projects and they want to know where the language is at right now. So they want to have the whole breadth of things, and then they pick from that what they really need, and they at least know about the rest, and that's totally fine. Now, this class is more for our learning thing. So, as you said, it's more of an in-depth thing. Uh, we don't we must not forget that some people are stuck with C11, C14 in their day jobs. Well, people working at Unreal, they have limitations uh right now and other tools too. So there are tricks that don't work with uh older compilers, there are tricks that do work with older compilers. So going from the ground up, you can get ways to solve problems that are maybe sometimes not the most modern, even though we will see them, but that might help you in your day job because you're limited to tools that are six years back or something. So we'll try to make sure we cover everything there, about everything. Uh sufficiently uh sufficient material to get you working and efficient, regardless of the version of the compiler you're using.

Conor

I mean, we've talked about a couple topics before Patrice showed up, but we were talking about biking, trips between New York and Toronto. We talked about kittens, we talked about helicopter, military flight simulations. I don't even think we've mentioned exactly when uh CPP North is happening.

Bryce

Well, we of course we did. We said it was before my birthday.

Conor

Oh, yeah, that's but did we say when your birthday Yes, we said that my birthday was July 21st. So yeah. So maybe that's what now CPP North, unfortunately, to the ADSP listeners are gonna know CPP North as it's the three days preceding Bryce's birthday.

Jason Walter

And the two days preceding that is the the workshops that we have. Yeah, I wanted to say a couple more things about the conference before we wrapped up here. So, one, um, I I you know I want to acknowledge our program chair, first of all, right? He's got a it's not an easy job. Um, so Connor, like I think, has lined up a great program. We will be releasing the program here in the next couple days.

Conor

By the time this podcast goes out, the program, some version of a tentative program should probably be online one or two days after it. So um, probably by the time the listener's listening to this, uh, it'll be available in in the internet.

Jason Walter

Yeah. And and we have some keynote speakers, great keynote speakers lined up, Sean Parent, Kate Gregory, Titus Winners. I think, you know, you know, for a first-time program chair, those are amazing keynote speakers to have lined up. So um it should be a great conference. And then the last note I wanted to kind of leave um here is because we're we are releasing the program here uh just probably simultaneously with the uh the podcast, is that we know it's probably maybe a little late for people to get access to the early bird. So we are providing a uh special code that you can enter on registration to get the early bird rate up until April 30th. So that'll be ADSP CPP North that you can do on registration.

Conor

So look at that. I didn't even know about that. And I I probably should have known about that, but wow, look at that. Our listeners, the listener, uh is it plural or singular in this case? I don't even know. It's the listener, it's always the listener, it's always the listener, the listener, but there's multiple singular listener. I I can't do it. Has access to yeah, a special code. It's our first ever, you know. We've been hoping for a sponsorship from Bubbly and uh Lululemon that hasn't come through yet. Um, but uh in the meantime, you can get a discount uh with the special code ADSP CPP North. And on top of Patrice, so Patrice is giving uh a full-day workshop. Um, or is it for full day, two days, full two-day workshop?

Patrice Roy

Yeah, it's a class. Yeah.

Conor

Um there's I think two other workshops as well.

Patrice Roy

Um one's um Guy Davidson, I think. Guys, yeah, Guy Davidson is going to give something on game programming, isn't he?

Jason Walter

Yeah, Guy Davidson and Stephanie Brennan. Um they're uh teaming on a game development with low latency and high excellence is in the title of their talk. Um, it'll be the first time this uh workshop will be given at our conference. Um and then Rainier Grimm uh will be doing a concurrency one with modern C.

Patrice Roy

Good classes too. Yeah.

Conor

Yeah, so I think uh and I think so. I'm not sure how many people are gonna do this, but I know Bryce, you've already booked um your sort of uh travel. And so I think you're coming like the weekend before and then saving to the weekend.

Bryce

So yeah, that's my typical, my typical uh way of operating.

Conor

So yeah, I think it for people that are considering coming, like that's a um uh a really nice option because the conference plus the workshops um would be from Saturday till uh Wednesday, and then you could still have you know Thursday, Friday to check out you know the city because uh I mean if you're in Canada, people from Vancouver will say that like, oh, Vancouver is the most beautiful city in Canada, blah, blah, blah. It is very beautiful. I've lived there, I studied there, but like I think Toronto and also Montreal. Montreal is a blast. They've got amazing food. One of the like, this is a small tangent on Montreal, but uh Montreal has something that no other Canadian city has that I've been to, which is this sort of eatery district where it sort of feels like New Orleans a little bit, where like there's two or three floors to every restaurant with balconies that wrap around, and like all four corners of an intersection will have that exact same style. So you can be sitting at the corner of an intersection on the third floor, and you'll be like 10 meters away from someone at a different restaurant at the same like floor level, and you can like wave to them and say hi. Um, whereas there's like no Toronto doesn't have that. Um, so potentially what you want to do is come to CPP North and then take a train over to Montreal because it's only a four or five-hour train ride.

Bryce

Is that is that what we're gonna do, Connor? You're gonna take me to Montreal for my birthday?

Conor

Oh no. I just do.

Bryce

You're you're you've mentioned food. So of course, what we're we're leaving out what I suspect to be the most important event of C North, which is I assume that the Canadians are preparing some sort of blind bagel test uh uh tasting uh uh in which I will be forced to uh to admit the supremacy of the Montreal bagel.

Patrice Roy

Well, we would have to move the bagels from Montreal to Toronto, but you want to you want them fresh. So a later CP North event, which we'll hold in Montreal at some point, we'll try to alternate again.

Bryce

Well, or again, just Connor. You can forget moving the bagels to Connor and I we'll move Connor and I to the bagels.

Jason Walter

There is a great bagel, there's a couple great play bagel places in Toronto. I'll I'll bring a test sample to Patrice and he can confirm whether or not they uh they they meet the standard of the Montreal bagel, and then we can we can then grace uh Bryce with the uh the taste as well.

Patrice Roy

That sounds quite reasonable to me.

Conor

I don't I don't want to start a war. I mean, there's already a war, but like um I had there's a new, I don't actually remember the name of the place, but there's a Montreal bagel place that just opened in Toronto, and they had these very small, the the holes were very large in them. I was a bit confused on why there was not more bagel. And I I gotta be honest, I was like, I took a bite and was my first thought was this is not as good as the bagels I had in New York.

Bryce

Oh I swear I did not pay Connor anything for that.

Patrice Roy

Even in Montreal, there's two kinds of schools there's the Fairmount bagels and the Sevilla bagels, and they don't agree on which one's which, which one's the best or something. So bagels are a fighting uh issue all over the place.

Conor

So it sounds like we're we are gonna have to make a trip to Montreal then, Bryce. This is the only way to settle this. Uh yeah.

Patrice Roy

Well, then power buddy. We do have the conference in Toronto, so let's let's fix that first.

Jason Walter

That's important. Yeah, and I'm gonna say like the hotel, you can basically walk out of the hotel and be at the train station and you can hop on the scene.

Conor

That's true, that's true. We are right at basically at Union, which is where the trains to Montreal start. So all right, with that, um this episode, it was an interesting journey. Yeah, it was a blast. I'm but yeah, thanks both uh Patrice and Jason for coming on. Um, I mean, I'll be seeing Jason virtually over the next couple months, but I'll be seeing both of you and Bryce, I guess. Probably actually the next time I see all three of you almost definitely in person at the same time, we'll be at CPP North.

Patrice Roy

So yeah. Awesome. Well, thank you, sir. Yeah, thank you.

Bryce

Thank you.

Conor

Bye. Thanks for listening. We hope you enjoyed and have a great day.