

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>0:00</time>
      <p>
          Um   well   let&#39;s   let&#39;s   let&#39;s   pivot   to   like   a   better   like   let&#39;s   pivot   back   to   cancer,   right?   And   and   I&#39;ll   tell   you   this   part   might   get   cut.   This   part   might   get   cut.   You   just   wait.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>0:12</time>
      <p>
          You   just   wait   to   Welcome   to   ADSP   the   podcast,   episode   86,   recorded   on   June   24,   2022.   My   name   is   Connor,   and   today   with   my   co-host   Bryce,   we   continue   with   part   three   of   our   four-part   interview   with   Tony   Van   Yard.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>0:36</time>
      <p>
          Someone   I   I   had   someone   um   can&#39;t   give   away   what   I   my   my   my   interview   questions,   but   um   had   a   question   about   you   know   two   points   and   and   you   know   some   function   you   could   do   on   some   points.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>0:49</time>
      <p>
          Tony,   it&#39;s   not   like   you&#39;re   on   a   popular   podcast.   You   can   give   away   your   interview   secrets.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>0:54</time>
      <p>
          Um   basically   it&#39;s   triangulation,   right?   It&#39;s   just   like   how   do   you   because   this   is   what   we   do.   I   I   do   computer   vision   and   I   find   where   the   projectors   hit   the   monitor,   you   know,   hit   the   wall   and   where   the   pixels   land   and   all   this   kind   of   stuff.   Um   so   triangulate.   You   can   try   triangulate   two   points   and   and   find   the   point   that   where   they   where   the   two   lines   cross.   And   someone&#39;s   like,   oh,   we   could   make   that   a   member   function   of   point.   And   I   was   just   like,   you   know,   the   the   interview   was   going   so   well.   I   mean,   it   was   just   a   student   in   university,   so   I   I   don&#39;t   think   it&#39;s   fine,   right?   But   I   was   like,   it&#39;s   actually   I   love   when   I   get   to   this   part   because   I   I   will   I   will   teach   during   my   interviews   and   I   will   teach   people   like,   hey,   let&#39;s   talk   about   whether   that   should   be   a   member   function   of   the   point   class   or   not,   and   why   it   should   be   and   why   it   shouldn&#39;t   be.   And   and   at   the   end   of   the   interview,   I&#39;ll   ask   people,   what   did   you   learn   during   this   interview?   Right?   And   it&#39;s   like,   if   you   can   if   you   if   you   can   tell   me   that   you   learned   something   in   the   interview,   it&#39;s   like   that&#39;s   great.   Even   if   I&#39;m   not   gonna   hire   you,   I   want   you   to   walk   away   like   it&#39;s   actually   I   want   to   know   if   you   are   open   to   learning,   right?   Like   that   that&#39;s   what   happens.   Uh,   if   you   come   work   with   me,   we&#39;re   going   to   have   these   conversations.   So   as   part   of   the   interview,   I&#39;d   like   to   know   how   these   conversations   are   gonna   go.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>2:14</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   a   that&#39;s   a   great   that&#39;s   a   great   interview   question.   What   did   you   learn   during   this   interview?   I&#39;m   gonna   start   asking   that.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>2:19</time>
      <p>
          Well,   you   gotta   teach   them   something   though.   Somewhere   in   the   interview,   they&#39;re   gonna   do   something,   and   you&#39;re   gonna   be   like,   hey.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>2:24</time>
      <p>
          I   think   any   any   conversation   anybody   has   with   me   is   gonna   be   educational   in   some   way,   shape,   or   form.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>2:31</time>
      <p>
          Oh,   Bryce.   Oh   and   I   thought   I   was   uh   conceited,   but   you   know.   At   least   I   have   good   reason   to   be   conceited.   I   don&#39;t   know   where   Bryce   gets   his   from.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>2:41</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   top   five,   Bryce   of   uh.   I   can&#39;t.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>2:49</time>
      <p>
          Connor   is   experiencing   undefined   behavior   right   now.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>2:52</time>
      <p>
          Listen,   listener   of   the   ADSB   podcast,   okay.   I   know   lots   of   things,   and   if   you&#39;re   talking   to   me,   let   me   tell   you.   I   know   more   things   than   you,   probably.   Probably   people   tell   me.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>3:02</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   not   I   didn&#39;t   say   that   I   knew   a   lot   of   things.   All   I   said   is   that   you&#39;d   learn   something.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>3:09</time>
      <p>
          You&#39;d   learn   something   about   price.   That&#39;s   what   you   think.   That&#39;s   good.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>3:13</time>
      <p>
          It   doesn&#39;t   mean   that   I&#39;ll   teach   you   something.   It   just   means   you&#39;ll   learn   something.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>3:18</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;ve   got   a   big   brain,   lots   of   things   in   the   brain.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>3:22</time>
      <p>
          I   I   I&#39;ll   be   the   first   to   say   I   am   not   a   very   clever   man.   I&#39;m   just   a   very   good   bullshitter.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>3:28</time>
      <p>
          Oh,   you   as   a   consultant   would   be   a   very   scary   thing,   Bryce.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>3:32</time>
      <p>
          I   would   be   a   very   good   consultant.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>3:36</time>
      <p>
          I   would   picture   you   on   one   of   those   HBO   movies   of   like   where   they   do   the   there&#39;s   an   HBO   movie   called   um   it&#39;s   not   too   big   to   fail.   It&#39;s   about   like   the   financial   crisis,   and   there&#39;s   this   scene   where   all   the   CEOs   of   you   know   Lehman   Brothers   and   JP   Morgan   and   Morgan   Stanley,   they&#39;re   all   getting   into   this,   you   know,   you   know,   conference   room   and   being   called   in   by   the   Secretary   of   the   Treasury&#39;s   Timothy   Geithner,   and   they&#39;re   like,   We   gotta,   you   know,   you   guys   are   all   gonna   figure   out   how   to   bail   these   things   out,   or   the   we&#39;re   going   into   the,   you   know,   uh,   what   do   you   call   it?   Great   Depression   number   two.   And   the   the   way   that   they   do   this   intro,   uh   it&#39;s   like   a   montage   of   like,   you   know,   Jamie   Diamond,   CEO   of   JP   Morgan,   and   then   like   they   freeze   in   on   the   guy&#39;s   face   and   they   go   to   the   next   one.   What   should   we   expect   from   these   guys?
      </p>

        <cite>Too Big Too Fail - Top Bankers (Clip)</cite>
      <time>4:27</time>
      <p>
          Jamie   is   smart.   He   doesn&#39;t   have   as   much   cash   to   work   with   since   he   bought   a   bear.   Blade&#39;s   a   superstar.   Goldman&#39;s   the   smartest   shop   on   the   block,   and   just   because   I   used   to   be   his   boss,   it   doesn&#39;t   mean   he&#39;s   gonna   listen   to   me.   He   used   to   run   around   the   floor   screaming   there&#39;s   blood   in   the   water,   let&#39;s   go   kill   someone.   He&#39;s   a   fighter.   So   he&#39;s   depressed.   He   knows.   No   one   knows   if   he&#39;s   running   City   or   if   City&#39;s   running   him.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>5:13</time>
      <p>
          Bryce   would   sit   fit   so   perfectly   with   his   unbuttoned   three-piece   suit,   you   know,   looking   like   he&#39;s   getting   paid   $35   million   a   year.   Bryce   Adelstein   Lebe.   He&#39;s   known   as   the   bloodsucker   of   Wall   Street.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>5:29</time>
      <p>
          Something   like   that.   I   I   don&#39;t   know   why   this   popped   in   my   head   because   it&#39;s   totally   unrelated,   but   um   uh   and   I   don&#39;t   know   how   much   you   want   to   like,   you   know,   intersperse   your   uh   personal   life   or   whatever,   but   um   Hannah   went   over   when   Hannah   went   to   visit   you,   right?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>5:46</time>
      <p>
          Yes,   she   did.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>5:46</time>
      <p>
          And   you   just   abandoned   her.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>5:49</time>
      <p>
          I   did.   This   is   true.   My   best   friend   came   to   visit   me,   and   I   went   and   abandoned   her   to   go   visit   my   other   best   friend.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>6:00</time>
      <p>
          Because   I&#39;ll   all   I   got   I   got   texts   from   her   saying   like   she   was   she   was   getting   on   a   plane,   and   then   she&#39;s   like,   hey,   I&#39;m   over   Canada   right   now,   and   like,   cool,   she&#39;s   gonna   be   in   New   York,   and   then   I&#39;ll   hear   from   her   after,   you   know.   And   then   like   middle   of   the   New   York   trip,   she&#39;s   texting   me   again,   and   I&#39;m   like,   that&#39;s   really   weird.   Like,   aren&#39;t   you   hanging   out   with   Bryce   right   now?   Like,   why   are   you   texting   me?   And   then   she&#39;s   like,   he&#39;s   not   here.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>6:23</time>
      <p>
          Like,   okay.   Okay,   but   in   my   defense,   like   my   girlfriend   like   hung   out   with   her,   so   like   she   was   I   I   did   not   abandon   her   completely.   I   I   I   I   didn&#39;t   events   you   delegated   your   friends.   Which   I   was   planning   on   going   to,   but   that   they   went   to   instead.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>6:40</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.   Um   and   in   in   more   in   your   defense,   you   went   back   uh   early   when   you   could   have   abandoned   her   entirely   for   the   rest   of   the   week.   Yeah   and   stayed   in   San   Diego.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>6:50</time>
      <p>
          He   made   it   as   short   as   possible.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>6:52</time>
      <p>
          I   did   make   it   as   short   as   possible.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>6:54</time>
      <p>
          Um   what   I   was   gonna   say   though   is   I   I   I   assumed   I   didn&#39;t   realize   you   were   going   to   the   conference   and   everything,   right?   So   I   was   thinking,   I   was   thinking   like,   okay,   Hanna&#39;s   gonna   be   there   over   the   weekend,   you   guys   are   gonna,   you   guys   are   gonna   record   a   session   of   ADSP,   and   Hannah&#39;s   gonna   be   on   it.   So   I&#39;m   like,   I&#39;m   all   prepared   for   this.   And   then   I   was   like,   wait,   I   am   going   to   drive   to   Toronto,   find   where   Connor   lives,   and   just   show   up   as   the   other,   you   know,   you   know,   because   it   wouldn&#39;t   be   fair.   Bryce   has   like   Bryce   and   Hanna   sitting   there,   and   then   Connor&#39;s   got   nobody,   and   I   just   be   like,   I&#39;m   there   for   you,   man.   I&#39;m   just   boom,   here   I   am,   showing   up   at   your   door.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>7:33</time>
      <p>
          We   did   think   about   that,   but   uh,   but   that   weekend   was   just   so   because   like   I   didn&#39;t   I   I   didn&#39;t   have   the   keynote   slide   deck   like   more   than   40%   constructed   until   like   I   got   on   the   plane.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>7:48</time>
      <p>
          And   who   would   do   something   like   that?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>7:49</time>
      <p>
          Maybe   maybe   it   was   50   or   60%   constructed,   but   like   I   I   completely   pivoted   on   the   talk   I   was   given   um   fairly   late   in   the   game.   And   um   and   yeah,   that   was   a   crazy,   that   was   a   crazy   this   whole   month,   this   whole   summer   is   very   hectic   for   me.   Like   I   had   this   nice   period   of   like   the   first   like   like   last   summer   was   hectic   because   I   was   moving,   and   then   like   my   first   like   like   three   to   four   months   in   New   York   was   nice   and   peaceful   and   calm.   Um,   and   then   my   life   has   just   been   complete   chaos   and   I   I   thrive   I   thrive   on   the   chaos.   I   thrive   on   the   chaos.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>8:29</time>
      <p>
          We&#39;ll   go   see   we&#39;ll   go   see   some   ducks   to   calm   down   your   life.   Um   you   can   come   with   two,   Tony.   We&#39;ll   go   see   the   ducks   together.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>8:38</time>
      <p>
          Remember   when   there   there   was   a   big   giant   duck?   Yeah,   yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>8:42</time>
      <p>
          Maybe   that&#39;s   yeah,   that   floated   around   for   a   while.   What   was   that   about?   I   can&#39;t   I   just   remember   seeing   it.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>8:46</time>
      <p>
          I   mean   if   it   was   an   advertising   campaign.   What   was   that   about?   It   was   a   duck!   If   it   was   an   advertising   camp   campaign,   it   didn&#39;t   work   because   I   don&#39;t   remember   what   it   was   about   either.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>8:54</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   I   just   remember   it   was   a   big   duck.   I   do   think   it   was   trying   to   bring   awareness   to   something.   Um   Ducks,   I   hope.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>8:59</time>
      <p>
          Ducks   to   the   needs   of   waterfowl.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>9:04</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;d   be   really   sad   if   it   was   like   cancer   or   something.   Oh,   yeah,   I   don&#39;t   remember   what   it   was   about.   Oh   yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>9:11</time>
      <p>
          Connor,   now   you&#39;re   gonna   have   to   go   check   later   and   make   sure   it   wasn&#39;t   cancer.   I   will   double   check.   You   have   to   you   have   to   edit.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>9:18</time>
      <p>
          I   was   about   to   bring   up   a   real   sad   story,   but   then   I   we&#39;ll   we&#39;ll   avoid   it.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>9:21</time>
      <p>
          What&#39;s   the   real   what&#39;s   your   real   sad   story?
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>9:24</time>
      <p>
          What&#39;s   a   sad   story?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>9:26</time>
      <p>
          Well,   because   it&#39;s   sad,   we   can&#39;t   actually   joke   about   it,   but   uh   when   um   when   I   was   down   in   San   Diego,   Tuesday   afternoon,   uh   went   to   the   beach   after   the   conference   around   like   five   or   six,   and   there   was   a   helicopter   flying   up   and   down   the   beach,   and   there   was   also   like   boats   and   jet   skis,   and   I   had   checked   out   the   beach   on   the   weekend   because   I   got   there   on   Saturday,   but   I   just   so   I   wasn&#39;t   sure   if   this   was   like   a   thing   that   happened   in   America,   that   they   just   like   for   extra   safety   because   the   waves   were   pretty   bad.   And   so   I   was   like   recording   videos   to   like   send   to   my   parents,   like,   oh   look,   we   got   the   we   got   the   helicopters   out   and   uh,   you   know,   whatever.   Actually   turns   out   it   was   because   uh   there   was   uh   three   teenagers   that   were   swimming   out   amongst   a   bunch   of   other   people,   and   uh   lifeguards   saw   that   they   were   struggling   and   was   managed   to   get   two   of   them   in   into   the   water,   but   they   were   never   able   to   recover   the   third.   And   um,   I   think   yeah,   it   was   an   18-year-old   kid,   and   for   the   whole   week,   basically,   the   it   was   the   Coast   Guards   that   were   basically   up   and   down   the   shore   from   I   think   like   sun,   sunrise   to   sunset.   So   it   was   sad   because   I   was   I   just   was   I   just   thought   it   was   like   an   American   thing,   you   know,   they   got   guns   everywhere   down   there,   so   they   do   things   different.   So   I   just   thought,   you   know,   um   it&#39;s   like   an   American   thing   to   be   at   a   beach,   and   then   like   of   course   there&#39;s   like   a   helicopter,   because   you   know,   we   got   we   got   guns   and   we   got   helicopters,   like   I   don&#39;t   know.   And   so   I   I   was   kind   of   recording   these   little   videos   and   then   I   wasn&#39;t   actually   able   to   send   them   to   my   parents   because   it   ended   up   actually   being   uh   the   worst   case   scenario.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>10:55</time>
      <p>
          Um   well   let&#39;s   let&#39;s   let&#39;s   pivot   to   like   a   better   like   let&#39;s   pivot   back   to   cancer,   right?   Um   and   and   I&#39;ll   tell   you   this   part   might   get   cut.   This   part   might   get   cut.   Well,   you   just   you   just   wait.   You   just   wait.   Let   me   tell   you   cancer.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>11:11</time>
      <p>
          Look,   if   you   if   you&#39;re   not   cutting   the   patent   part,   you&#39;re   not   cutting   this   part.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>11:14</time>
      <p>
          Let   me   tell   you   a   uh   cancer   joke,   because   you   know,   cancer   is   funny.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>11:18</time>
      <p>
          Um   you   might   be   about   to   get   cancer.   I&#39;m   not   sure   you   know   it&#39;s   2022,   but   uh   just   uh   I   will   tell   you,   I   will   set   up   the   joke.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>11:26</time>
      <p>
          My   mom   told   the   joke,   and   she   was   the   one   with   the   cancer.   Right?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>11:31</time>
      <p>
          So   my   mom   had   cancer   too.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>11:34</time>
      <p>
          So   um,   and   and   this   is   like   to   give   an   insight   into   my   my   family   and   and   how   I   was,   you   know,   why   I&#39;m   a   I&#39;m   a   bit   odd   sometimes.   Um   so   my   mom   had   cancer,   uh   had   a   massectomy,   right?   Breast   cancer,   misectomy.   She&#39;s   in   the   hospital,   she&#39;s   being   treated   well   in   the   hospital,   she&#39;s   there   resting,   blah,   blah,   blah,   blah.   And   it&#39;s   like,   hey   mom,   how   you   doing?   You   know,   she&#39;s   like,   this   is   great.   They&#39;re   taking   care   of   me.   I   get,   you   know,   she&#39;s   like,   some   people   go   to   like   a   resort   and   it   costs   an   arm   and   a   leg.   This   costs   less.   That&#39;s   the   joke.   Didn&#39;t   cost   an   arm   and   a   leg.   That&#39;s   my   mom.   That&#39;s   my   mom   for   you.   Joking   about.   Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>12:17</time>
      <p>
          So   so   I   have   another,   I   also   have   a   funny   cancer   story.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>12:21</time>
      <p>
          Jesus,   what   is   this   podcast   become?   I   promise   you,   listener,   I   have   no   cancer   jokes   or   stories.   My   mother   did   not   have   cancer.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>12:28</time>
      <p>
          So   my   um   my   single   mother   got   thyroid   cancer   when   I   was   like   two,   which   is   pretty   terrifying   for   her.   Um,   and   then   it   went   into   like   remission,   and   uh,   and   then   it   guessed   it   came   back   when   like   uh   I   was   10   or   so.   And   uh,   and   and   and   the   thing   is   like   I   didn&#39;t   know   that   she   had   cancer   until   like   one   or   two   years   ago.   It   wasn&#39;t   like   she   tried   to   like   keep   it   a   secret   from   me.   It   was   just   like   like   and   like   I   knew   she   like   took   like   the   synthetic   thyroid   thing,   but   like   it   was   just   like   it   happened   at   a   young   enough   age   that   at   the   time,   at   the   times   when   it   was   active,   like   I&#39;m   sure   somebody   explained   it   to   me,   but   like   not   not   like   I   knew   that   there   was   something,   I   didn&#39;t   know   it   was   cancer.   But   so   when   I   was   10,   she   had   to   go   to   the   hospital   to   get   some   radiation   treatment.   And   when   I   was   younger,   I   was   really   afraid   of   radiation.   Like   I   would   not   keep   a   flip   phone   on   me   because   I   was   afraid   of   like   the   radiation,   you   know,   because   there   when   cell   phones   first   came   out,   there   were   all   these   people   who   were   concerned   about   the   radiation   would   have   these   long-term   effects   on,   or   the   the   the   um   the   antenna   would   have   all   these   long-term   effects   on   us.   Um   so   my   mother   comes   back   from   the   hospital   just   of   having   had   her,   you   know,   radiation   treatment   for   her   cancer,   and   she   comes   in   and   she   wants   to   hug   from   me.   She   had   been   gone   overnight,   and   I   go   and   hide   in   the   corner   because   I&#39;m   like,   I   want   to   be   as   far   away   from   you   as   possible.   And   I   think   I   accused   her   of   like,   are   you   gonna   glow   in   the   dark   at   night?   So   I   would   not   hug   my   mother   after   she   came   back   from   getting   her   uh   thyroid   cancer   treatment.   Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>14:13</time>
      <p>
          And   she   and   you   wonder   why   she   thought   you   were   gonna   struggle.   Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>14:20</time>
      <p>
          What   can   I   say?   Yeah.   But   it   it   it   is   really   it&#39;s   kind   of   remarkable   that   like   I   didn&#39;t   really   understand   that   like   the   impact   of   like,   oh   yeah,   she   had   cancer.   Uh,   I   didn&#39;t   even   realize   that   until   like   the   last   few   years.   It&#39;s   like,   oh   yeah,   you   don&#39;t   have   a   thyroid   because   they   took   it   out.   Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>14:43</time>
      <p>
          There   you   go.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>14:44</time>
      <p>
          Okay.   Let&#39;s   talk   about   something   else   now.   Connor,   you   gotta   you   no   no   no   no.   Connor&#39;s   gotta   tell   his   funny   family   cancer   story.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>14:52</time>
      <p>
          Who   doesn&#39;t   have   an   amusing   cancer   story?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>14:55</time>
      <p>
          I   mean,   I   do   not.   I&#39;ve   been   relatively   I   mean,   relatively,   I&#39;ve   been   very   lucky.   Um,   I&#39;ve   actually   only   been   really   to   one   funeral   of   a   family   member   in   my   lifetime,   and   it   was   my   my   dad&#39;s   mom   who   passed   away   a   few   years   ago.   But   um,   and   I   guess   I   can&#39;t   remember   if   she   had   cancer.   But   uh,   I   don&#39;t   really   have   a   funny   cancer   story.   I   do   have   a   funny,   I   mean   I&#39;m   throwing   my   dad   under   the   bus   here,   but   he   doesn&#39;t   listen   to   this,   so   I   guess   whatever.   And   this   is   not   uh   it&#39;s   not   exactly   in   the   same   uh   vein   as   your   both   of   your   stories,   but   um   my   father   uh   is   a   journalist.   I   don&#39;t   know   why   that&#39;s   relevant.   But   we   grew   up   in   a   small   town   called   Prince   George,   British   Columbia,   on   the   West   Coast.   And   um   how   do   I   describe   my   dad?   I   mean,   hopefully   he   never   listens   to   this,   but   he&#39;s   the   kind   of   guy   that   like   uh   we   lived   uh   like   a   three-minute   walk   away   from   uh   a   river   and   like   woods.   So   we&#39;d   go   for   walks   all   the   time,   and   you   know,   sometimes   you&#39;d   run   into   like   black   bears   or   brown   bears,   usually   black   bears,   they&#39;d   leave   you   alone.   But   my   dad   would   always   like   to   bring   like   a   buck   knife   along,   you   know.   He&#39;s   uh   wearing   his   jeans,   and   he   likes   to   he   considers   himself   and   my   sister,   my   three   sisters   and   I   always   give   him   a   hard   time   because   he   considers   himself   a   man   of   the   wild.   And   uh,   you   know,   if   if   pushed,   you   know,   if   if   he   happened   to   find   himself   abandoned   in   the   middle   of   the   woods,   you   know,   he   would   be   able   to   fend   for   himself   and   build   a   small   shelter   that   would   soon   he   would   be,   you   know,   the   Robinson   Williams   or   what   is   it,   the   Robinson   family   says   Robinson?   He   would   uh,   you   know,   he&#39;d   be   he&#39;d   you   know   be   skinning   rabbits   in   no   time,   even   though   that&#39;s   you   know,   that&#39;s   not   my   dad,   but   that&#39;s   you   know,   that&#39;s   uh   what   he   likes   to   think.   Anyways,   he   gets   um   uh   pain   in   his   lower   right   abdomen.   Um,   and   long   story   short,   basically   self-diagnoses   himself   with   appendicitis   and   decides   to   just   drive   himself   to   the   hospital,   doesn&#39;t   let   anyone   know,   and   uh   he&#39;s   checking   himself   in.   And   um,   and   then   uh   my   mother   gets   a   call   from   the   doctor   being   like,   Hey,   is   this   uh   is   this   etc,   etc.   And   yeah,   it&#39;s   me.   Oh,   we   were   just   here   with   your   husband.   Um,   he&#39;s   going   under.   Uh,   just   thought   we&#39;d   let   you   know   because   uh   he   mentioned   that   he   had   not   told   anyone   that   he   was   here.   And   he&#39;s   very   proud   of   that.   He&#39;s   very   proud   that   he   uh   web   MD&#39;s   himself   to   a   correct   diagnosis   and   uh   didn&#39;t   need   anybody.   And   um,   yeah,   my   mother   always   uh   sort   of   half   laugh   and   half   is   just   like,   Are   you   crazy?   Like,   why   who   does   that?   Who   who   diagnoses   themselves   with   something   and   then   just   checks   themselves   into   the   hospital   without   letting   their   loved   ones   know?
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>17:23</time>
      <p>
          Um   I   have   two   two   uh   stories   on   that.   Um   one,   uh   so   my   dad,   my   dad   was   in   the   rodeo   and   stuff,   right?   So   I   mean   I   I   I   got   like   18   things   I   thought   about   when   you&#39;re   talking   about   that.   Because   I   grew   up   in   the   woods.   I   grew   up   in   a   log   house,   like   literally   log   house   in   the   woods.   Um,   and   my   dad   raises   any   animal,   he   can   train   anything,   you   know,   pet   badger,   pet   whatever   you   want,   raccoons   and   squirrels   and   hawks   and   eagles   and   everything.   So   my   dad   is   like,   you   know,   in   the   woods.   He&#39;s   a   man   of   the   wild.   Yeah,   he   is   a   man   of   the   wild.   Um   we   had   a   horse   farm,   trained   horses   and   things,   but   um,   he   was   in   the   rodeos   and   stuff   like   that,   and   the   one   guy   he   hung   out   with   in   the   rodeos   um   got   uh   speared   by   a   bull   one   time,   right?   Went   to   went   to   the   hospital   for   that.   And   while   they   were   fixing   him   up,   they&#39;re   like,   Hey,   did   like   your   appendix   burst   once?   Did   like   and   he   didn&#39;t   go   to   the   hospital.   They&#39;re   like,   there&#39;s   like   we   can   see   that   your   appendix,   like   he&#39;s   like,   Oh   yeah,   you   know,   six   months   ago   I   had   a   pain   in   my   side,   and   uh   I   just   tightened   my   belt   a   little   bit.   You   know,   just   like   just   kept   some   pressure   on   it.   It   was   fine.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>18:35</time>
      <p>
          That   does   that   does   sound   about   right.   Yeah,   six   months   yeah,   that   does   uh   thanks,   Doc.   Yep,   thanks   for   confirming.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>18:40</time>
      <p>
          That   was   that   was   my   my   dad&#39;s   friend,   but   my   dad   also   um   uh   because   he   I   I&#39;ve   got   like   a   57,000   stories   of   my   dad   being   injured   and   and   just   dealing   with   it   on   his   own.   Like   um &#39;tis   butt   a   scratch.   Yeah.   He   he   he   used   to   cut   wood   in,   you   know,   like   because   we&#39;d   lived   in   a   log   house   and   we   would   cut   wood,   yeah,   yeah.   Bring   wood   in.   And   then   he   would   fuel   for   the   fire.   Yeah.   And   then,   you   know,   when   you   bring   in   kind   of   big   pieces   of   wood,   and   sometimes   you&#39;d   cut   it   some   more   with   the   little   hatchet.   Oh   no.   Yeah,   yeah,   I   know,   eh?   Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>19:10</time>
      <p>
          See   where   this   is   going.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>19:12</time>
      <p>
          And   so   this   is   it&#39;s   not   a   bad   story,   though.   It&#39;s   okay.   Um,   and   he   would   always,   you&#39;re   just   like,   and   my   mum   was   just   like   thinking   that   he&#39;s   gonna   cut   his   thumb   off   or   something,   right?   Because   he&#39;s   just   really   close   to   he&#39;s   holding   this   piece   of   wood   just   on   the   edge   and   hacking   it   with   an   axe   and   stuff.   And   one   day   he   just   cuts   and   he   goes,   Oh,   he   just   whoa,   and   doesn&#39;t   say   anything.   He&#39;s   just   like,   oh,   and   like   literally   cut   off   just   the   tip   of   his   thumb,   right?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>19:39</time>
      <p>
          Like,   not   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   also   missing   the   tip   of   my   thumb.   All   right,   my   left   thumb.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>19:43</time>
      <p>
          So   he   cuts   off   the   tip   of   his   thumb   and   he   picks   it   up   and   like   wraps   it   up   a   little   bit   and   I   did   the   same   thing,   takes   him   to   takes   himself   to   the   hospital   to   get   it   sewn   back   on,   right?   And   they   just   they   just   fix   him   up   and   they&#39;re   like,   okay,   we&#39;ve   all   been   there.   Who   hasn&#39;t   done   this?   And   and   they   they&#39;re   like,   you   know,   take   care   of   it,   don&#39;t   do   anything,   blah   blah   blah   blah.   And   but   you   know,   like   we   live   on   a   farm   and   stuff.   So   the   next   day,   my   dad&#39;s   out   on   the   farm   with   the   horses   and   stuff,   and   it   falls   off.   You   know,   and   so   he   goes   back   to   the   hospital   and   they   sew   it   back   on   again   and   stuff   like   that.   And   then   like   one   more   day,   I   don&#39;t   even   know   how   much   more   time   goes   by,   it   comes   off   again.   So   he   picks   up   the   end   of   it,   is   you   know,   like   the   and   he   throws   it   in   the   woods.   He&#39;s   just   like,   screw   that.   And   that   it   really   wasn&#39;t   much   because   like   you   can&#39;t   you   can   hardly   tell,   right?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>20:34</time>
      <p>
          That   yeah,   yeah.   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   missing   like   I&#39;m   missing   like   a   fourth   of   an   inch   on   my   my   left   thumb,   and   yeah,   it&#39;s   exactly   it   wasn&#39;t   so   bad.   I   mean   it   was   incredibly   painful,   and   there   were   a   lot   there   was   a   lot   of   drugs   that   summer,   but   uh   but   yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>20:48</time>
      <p>
          No,   my   dad   didn&#39;t   even   like   my   my   dad   uh   yeah   when   my   dad   was   70   something,   70,   yeah,   he   was   training   a   horse   to   to   go   up   on   its   hind   legs   and   hop   forward   like   a   like   a   rabbit.   And   you   know,   why   did   he   want   to   do   this?   Uh   no   one   knows,   but   and   he   finally   got   the   horse   to   do   it,   and   then   it   when   it   went,   you   know,   because   it   he   said   the   horse   would   do   anything   for   him   if   you   could   just   describe   to   the   horse   what   you   wanted,   right?   The   hard   part   is   uh   convincing   like   trying   to   you   know,   so   you   get   the   horse   to   go   forward,   but   you   pull   back   on   the   reins,   like   he&#39;s   standing   way   behind   the   horse,   but   you   pull   back   on   the   reins   so   it   knows   to   go   up,   but   then   you&#39;re   like   hitting   it,   you   know,   tapping   it   with   uh   a   thing   to   go   to   on   its   butt   to   tell   it   to   go   forward,   but   to   go   up   and   then   to   like   you   know,   it&#39;s   really   complicated.   But   once   the   horse   figured   out   what   to   do,   it   would   do   it   for   him,   right?   Because   my   dad   can   train   anything.   So   for   some   reason   the   horse   finally   did   it   once   and   then   kicked   after   and   kicked   my   dad   in   in   his   hands,   which   were   because   he   was   holding   on   to   these   reins   and   broke   both   his   hands.   And   the   doctor   basically   said   if   your   hands   weren&#39;t   there,   he   would   have   hit   your   chest   and   you   would   be   dead.   Right?   And   so   my   my   my   dad   had   to   call   up   my   brother.   Because   my   brother   was   still   living   on   the   farm   there   on   an   old   rotary   phone   that   we   had   in   the   barn.   And   he&#39;s   like,   his   hands   are   all   broken,   but   he&#39;s   like   dialing   the   phone.   He&#39;s   like,   Tom,   gotta,   can   you   drive   me   to   the   hospital?   My   brother&#39;s   just   like,   yeah,   what   happened   this   time?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>22:18</time>
      <p>
          And   he   was   70   at   the   time.   Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>22:20</time>
      <p>
          And   he   went   to   the   hospital   and   like   literally   looked   like   Edward   Scissor   hands   because   they   had   to   put   like   pins   all   through   his   hands.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>22:26</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>22:26</time>
      <p>
          I   see   that   Connor   is   not   good   at   this   kind   of   stuff.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>22:29</time>
      <p>
          My   dad   is   somewhat   similar.   He   is   uh   he   is   70,   and   uh   this   is   supposed   to   be   his   first   year   of   retirement,   and   he   has   spent   most   of   the   year   building   a   house   or   rebuilding   a   house.   My   dad&#39;s   like   one   of   those   guys   who   like   goes   to   Lowe&#39;s   like   you   know   40   times   in   a   month   and   like   goes   in   the   store   and   somebody   asks   him,   like,   can   I   help   you?   And   he&#39;s   like,   No.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>22:54</time>
      <p>
          Um,   so   my   dad,   uh   like   six   months   after   this,   you   know,   had   both   his   hands   just   shattered.   Um,   he&#39;s   complaining   that   his   one   hand   hurts   a   little   bit.   And   we&#39;re   like,   Well,   yeah,   you   like   totally   smashed   your   hands.   And   he&#39;s   like,   Yeah,   but   the   other   one&#39;s   fine.   And   he   barely   has   a   scar.   Like,   he   is   like   uh   Wolverine.   He   just   heals.   He&#39;s   like,   Well,   it   should   be   fine   now,   because   it&#39;s   you&#39;re   like,   all   right,   dad,   like   you&#39;re   70   years   old,   and   you   know,   just   get   back   out   there   and   do   you   know,   do   the   next   thing.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>23:22</time>
      <p>
          But   is   most   of   uh   I&#39;m   curious   if   that   is   a   function   of   uh   due   to   having   lived   on   a   farm,   was   it   most   of   it,   I   guess,   is   like   a   way   healthier   diet?   Like,   are   you   eating   lots   of   like   grown   vegetables?
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>23:34</time>
      <p>
          I   think   also,   um,   so   my   grandfather   was   was   also   like   my   grandfather   lived   to   like   98   or   something.   Um   and   it&#39;s   just   the   whole   that   side   of   the   family   just   just   is   healthy.   My   grandfather   lived   lived   to   98,   never   went   to   the   hospital   in   his   life   until   you   know   those   last   days.   And   he   lit   what   about   uh   what   about   when   the   wife   was   pregnant?   And   not   even   sure   that,   because   you   know,   farmers,   right?   Just   like   that.   Yeah,   right.   Why   are   you   saying   there&#39;s   a   lot   of   people?   Or   whatever,   40s,   50s,   things   were   different   then,   right?   40s,   30s.   30s,   even,   right?   So   wait,   the   wife   didn&#39;t   even   go   to   a   hospital?   Who   knows,   right?   Probably   not,   probably   not   actually   back   then.   Um   my   dad   was   born   in   like   32   or   something   like   that,   1932.   So,   like,   you   know,   things   were   different   back   then.   Um,   maybe   he   went   to   the   hospital   for   that,   but   he   never   went   to   the   hospital   for   his   own,   you   know.   Um   so   two   parts   to   this   story,   too.   My   grandfather   is   in   the   hospital   for   whatever,   you   know,   he&#39;s   98   years   old,   still   driving.   He   like   was   still   driving   in   his   90s,   uh,   still   his   license   and   everything.   Um,   and   they&#39;re   like,   Oh,   you   know,   you   can   probably   you&#39;ll   be   able   to   go   home   in   a   few   days,   something,   something.   I   didn&#39;t   even   know   what   was   wrong   with   him.   And   he   just   literally   said,   No,   I&#39;m   fine.   This   is   it.   And   then   died   the   next   day.   Like   that   night,   he   died.   He   just   like   wait,   this   is   this   is   your   your   dad.   No,   my   grandfather,   my   grandfather   when   he   was   98.   He&#39;s   just   like,   Yeah,   I&#39;ve   had   enough.   I&#39;m   done.   And   he   just   literally   what   he   told   the   doctor,   what   did   the   doctor   say?   That   they   were   like   talking   about   letting   him   leave   the   hospital.   You   know,   oh   you&#39;ll   you&#39;ll   we&#39;ll   like   you   know,   I   don&#39;t   know   what   he   had.   I   don&#39;t   I   don&#39;t   know   what   he   died   from.   He   just   died   from   yeah,   he   just   died   from   like   I&#39;m   done.   I&#39;ve   had   enough.   Time   to   go.   See   you   later,   right?   But   also,   um,   when   my   grandfather   my   grandfather   lived   in   Holland,   and   my   dad&#39;s   got   all   these   crazy   stories   about   living   through   World   War   II,   right?   Um,   they   would   they   would   be   like   German   would   occupy   their   farm,   and   then   you   know,   Americans   were   occupying   their   farm,   and   then   like   you   know,   they   would   have   soldiers   living   in   the   barns   and   you   know,   it&#39;s   crossing   paths   all   the   time.   But   um   after   the   war   they   moved   to   Canada,   and   my   grandfather   was   50   when   he   brought   the   whole   family   over   to   Canada.   My   dad   was   like   18   or   something,   and   my   grandfather   at   the   time   said,   Um,   I&#39;m   gonna   live   50   years   in   uh   Holland,   50   years   in   Canada,   and   50   years   in   Australia.   Like,   that&#39;s   his   plan,   right?   So   my   grandfather,   yeah,   I   know   my   grandfather   was   like   when   he   was   like   92   or   something,   he   took   a   plane   trip   to   New   Zealand,   and   everyone&#39;s   like,   What   are   you   doing?   He&#39;s   like,   Well,   I&#39;m   gonna   check   out   New   Zealand,   I   want   to   see   where   I&#39;m   gonna   live.   Like,   he&#39;s   like,   I&#39;m   planning   when   I   hit   100,   I&#39;m   gonna   move   down.   He&#39;s   like,   I&#39;ve   changed   my   plan   from   Australia   to   New   Zealand   and   you   know,   all   this   stuff.   So   he   takes   a   plane   ride   to   New   Zealand   from   Canada,   from   Toronto   or   wherever   he   left   from,   right?   Long   plane   ride.   This   is   a   long   plane.   Long   plane   ride.   And   I   guess   on   this   plane   ride,   he&#39;s   talking   to   the   the   flight   attendants   and   stuff   saying,   saying,   like,   I&#39;ve   been   through   the   war,   you   know,   I&#39;ve   been   through   a   lot   of   stuff.   This   plane&#39;s   coming   down,   I   can   just   feel   it.   Like,   I   can   feel   it   in   my   bones.   This   plane&#39;s   and   the   flight   attendant&#39;s   like,   let   us   get   you   a   blanket,   sir,   and   like,   you   know,   doing   everything   they   can   to   make   sure   he&#39;s   okay,   right?   For   the   whole   flight   to   New   Zealand.   And   then   they   come   down,   they   land,   and   he   said,   like,   told   you   so.   Told   you   the   plane   was   coming   down.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>27:08</time>
      <p>
          What   did   your   grandfather   do?   Uh   farmer,   yeah.   He   was   a   farmer.   How   did   he   feel   about   your   dad   being   uh   in   the   rodeo?
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>27:17</time>
      <p>
          Uh   my   my   dad   was   kind   of   the   I&#39;m   not   sure   I&#39;m   not   100%   sure   because   my   grandfather   also   did   stuff   with   horses,   but   all   my   all   the   other   brothers   and   people   in   the   family,   like   my   dad&#39;s   like   one   of   11   kids,   right?   Because   people   had   oh   wow,   yeah,   tons   of   kids   back   then.   Um   they&#39;re   all   farmers,   but   they&#39;re   all   like   pig   farmers   and   and   like   crops   and   tractors   and   the   real   real   farmers,   right?   We   had   horses.   We&#39;re   we&#39;re   not   farmers,   we   had   horses.   So   my   dad   was   the   odd   one   out   of   the   family   who   like   raised   horses   and   trained   horses   and   and   uh   trained   horses   for   the   circus   and   like   all   these   kind   of   weird   things.   Uh   you   know.   And   and   we   lived   in   Windsor,   which   is   you   know   right   across   the   border   from   Detroit.   So   my   dad   took   care   of   horses   for   people   in   Motown,   right?   Like   Diana   Ross   and   the   Supremes   and   like   all   these   you   know   superstars   of   of   Motown   in   the   60s,   they   would   pick   up   my   dad   in   a   limo   with   um   uh   leopard   skin   fur   seats   on   the   limo   and   everything.   And   my   dad   would   be   in   his   like   stuff   to   like   take   care   of   horses   and   like   shoe   the   horses   and   you   know,   all   this   kind   of   stuff,   and   they&#39;d   pick   them   up   in   the   limo.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>28:33</time>
      <p>
          So   then   you   probably   know   how   to   ride   horses.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>28:35</time>
      <p>
          I   know   how   yeah,   this   is   this   is   I   I   heard   you   talking   about   horses   the   other   day.   Yes.   I   I   like   rode   my   tricycle   under   horses.   Like   I   just   grew   up   with   horses   around   all   the   time.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>28:47</time>
      <p>
          So   you&#39;ve   got   some   connections   when   Bryce   is   at   that   phase   where   he   needs   to   needs   to   purchase   uh   a   couple   Appaloosas,   uh   you&#39;ll   you&#39;ll   be   the   guy   to   go   to.   Thanks   for   listening.   We   hope   you   enjoyed   and   have   a   great   day.
      </p>