

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>0:25</time>
      <p>
          Welcome   to   AD   SP   The   Podcast,   episode   87,   recorded   on   June   24th,   2022.   My   name   is   Connor,   and   today   with   my   co-host   Bryce,   we   finish   part   four   of   our   four-part   interview   with   Tony   Van   Here.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>0:39</time>
      <p>
          So   my   my   sister   had   a   had   a   a   dog   like   that,   Australian   sheepdog   or   whatever.   Super   smart,   right?   Super   smart   dog.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>0:46</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   they&#39;re   very   smart   dogs.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>0:47</time>
      <p>
          And   friendliest   dog   in   the   world,   you   know?   And   then   I   go   over   to   my   sister&#39;s   house   one   day,   and   nobody,   you   know,   I,   you   know,   knock   on   the   back   door,   and   it&#39;s   like,   doesn&#39;t   seem   like   anyone&#39;s   home   or   whatever.   And   I   think   I   was   dropping   something   off   or   something.   So   I   just   like   open   up   the   back   door   and   I&#39;m   like,   hey,   is   anyone   home   today   and   everything?   Right?   And   I&#39;m   looking   around,   and   I   was   like,   I&#39;ll   just   I&#39;ll   just   put   this   thing   on   this   table   or   whatever.   And   then   I   noticed   the   dog   is   not   barking   and   trying   to   like   protect   the   house.   The   dog   is   trying   to   sneak   up   on   me.   It&#39;s   just   like   coming.   I   saw   it   sneak   around   a   corner   and   then   it   just   like   backed   away   a   little   bit.   And   it&#39;s   like   the   dog   was   like   I&#39;m   like,   this   dog   knows   me.   It   should   be,   it   should   be,   you   know,   hey,   hey,   Tony,   blah,   blah,   blah,   and   wagging   its   tail.   And   it&#39;s   like,   no,   right   now   it   is   in   protection   mode.   She   was   flanking   you.   Yeah.   Like   toys.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>1:37</time>
      <p>
          This   dog,   Looney,   is   uh   is   a   very   smart   dog.   And   uh,   yeah,   and   she   like   she   loves   toys,   she&#39;s   not   food   motivated   at   all.   She   loves   toys,   but   toys   are   not   fun   for   her   unless   like   the   humans   are   playing   with   with   the   toys   too.   Like   it   has   to   be   interactive.   And   uh,   and   like   she&#39;s   yeah,   she&#39;s   pretty,   she&#39;s   pretty   smart.   Like   a   ball   gets   like   under   like   a   table   or   something,   she   knows   how   to   how   to   get   the   ball   out   from   under   the   table.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>2:06</time>
      <p>
          I   I   had   a   dog   who   figured   out   how   to   how   to   open   the   door   in   the   barn   because   like   one   way   you   just   push   the   door   open,   it   was   like   just   the   door   in   the   barn   that   didn&#39;t   didn&#39;t   have   a   doorknob,   so   it   had   a   string   tied   to   it   that   like   through   the   whole,   like   you   could   just   pull   it   open   and   stuff.   And   so   this   dog   figured   out   one   way   you   push   the   door   open,   and   the   other   way   like   grab   the   the   string,   the   rope   on   the   door,   and   pull   it   open,   and   it   could   open   the   door   by   itself.   I   was   like,   really   cool,   smart   dog.   Do   you   think   I   could   do   you   think   I   could   teach   the   dog   to   do   it   on   command?   Like,   I&#39;m   carrying   something.   Hey   dog,   open   the   door.   Like   we&#39;re   standing   and   the   dog   like   would   stare   at   me,   it&#39;s   like,   why   aren&#39;t   we   opening   the   door?   Like,   I   I   my   hands   are   full.   Yeah,   smart   dog,   but   I   don&#39;t   know.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>2:46</time>
      <p>
          We   had   a   dog   that   could   play   the   piano.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>2:48</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   nice,   yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>2:49</time>
      <p>
          Didn&#39;t   play   it   well,   but   play   the   piano.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>2:51</time>
      <p>
          We   had   a   we   had   a   uh   parrot   that   could   ride   a   horse.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>2:57</time>
      <p>
          Well,   okay,   I   mean   I&#39;m   sure   there&#39;s   a   plenty   of   animals   that   you   could   put   on   a   horse,   but   like   could   it   like   control   the   horse?
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>3:02</time>
      <p>
          Well,   this   is   the   this   is   the   thing.   So   if   you   if   you&#39;re   in   the   in   the   horse   world,   right?   Um   you   go   to   the   horse   shows   and   they   have   all   these   contests   that   horse   you   you   do   with   your   horse,   and   one   of   them   is   is   to   run   the   barrels,   right?   You   have   to   you   there&#39;s   some   barrels   set   up   on   the   corral   thing   that   you&#39;re   doing   this   in.   And   you   have   to   run,   you   have   to   ride   the   horse   as   fast   as   you   can   around   the   barrels.   You   have   to   do   a   certain   pattern,   right?   You   have   to   you   have   to   turn   the   right   direction,   do   it   the   right   pattern,   and   come   back,   and   it&#39;s   who   can   do   it   the   fastest,   right?   It&#39;s   like   a   little   it&#39;s   the   same   with   like   uh   you   know   catching   a   steer   and   all   these   other   things   they   they   do   in   these   horse   shows   and   stuff.   Dying   to   know   the   connection   to   the   parrot,   go   on.   So   my   dad   taught   the   parrot   to   ride   the   horse   to   do   the   barrels.   So   no   one   on   the   horse,   the   horse   would   do   the   barrels   the   right   pattern   correctly.   And   it   was   like   a   complicated   pattern.   And   come   back   and   and   my   dad   was   like,   look,   I   trained   this   parrot   to   to   ride   a   horse.   Really,   he   trained   the   horse.   Like   the   parrot   just   sat   there.   He   trained   the   parrot   to   not   fly   away   and   trained   a   horse   to   run   the   barrels   by   itself.   So   yeah,   that   that&#39;s   that&#39;s   that&#39;s   what   we   do.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>4:11</time>
      <p>
          I   have   no   idea   at   this   point   what   I&#39;m   gonna   be   calling   these   episodes.   If   we   could   just   if   we   can   just   brainstorm   for   a   second.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>4:18</time>
      <p>
          Do   you   want   to   talk   about   C   ever   in   this   episode   at   all?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>4:22</time>
      <p>
          Uh   uh   Cancers   dismemberment,   cancer   dismemberment,   and   horses.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>4:29</time>
      <p>
          Because   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   it&#39;s   gotta   I   think   it&#39;s   gonna   be   like   Tony&#39;s   career,   uh,   Tony&#39;s   dad,   uh   Tony   Tony&#39;s   dad&#39;s   finger.   I   don&#39;t   know.   No.   Um   just   Tony&#39;s   parrot.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>4:44</time>
      <p>
          And   the   thing   is,   like,   like   like   Tony   has   plenty   of   like   amazing,   awesome   tech   stories,   but   Tony   also   has   plenty   of   crazy   life   stories.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>4:52</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>4:52</time>
      <p>
          It   is   true.   One   one   thing   now,   well,   because   we&#39;re   a   few   minutes   over,   but   um   no   one&#39;s   been   saying   they   have   to   exit.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>4:58</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   you   say   you   say   a   few   minutes   over.   You   say   that   as   if   there   is   like   a   set   agenda   or   schedule   for   when   we   record.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>5:05</time>
      <p>
          I   mean,   you   you&#39;ve   booked   a   90-minute   time   slot   and   we   are   over   that   90   minutes.   Um   and   Tony   probably   does   need   to   go   back   to   his   family   at   some   point.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>5:14</time>
      <p>
          Um   forget   Tony.   I   gotta   go   like   cook   and   like   a   lot   of   things.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>5:20</time>
      <p>
          Bryce&#39;s   food.   That   sounds   more   important   than   family.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>5:23</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   not   my   no   not   my   food.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>5:26</time>
      <p>
          I   gotta   cook   for   the   the   my   family   is   my   family   is   full   grown   now,   so   you   know.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>5:31</time>
      <p>
          As   my   girlfriend   likes   to   say,   the   division   of   labor   is   I   cook,   she   eats.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>5:36</time>
      <p>
          Nice.   Question.   So   you   were   in   Windsor.   How   did   you   did   you   go   to   Waterloo   and   your   family   still   stayed   in   Windsor?
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>5:43</time>
      <p>
          We   we   moved   out   of   Windsor   when   I   was   eight   or   nine,   which   still   didn&#39;t   get   me   to   Waterloo.   It   got   me   to   a   town   called   Bothwell,   which   is   between   it&#39;s   like   a   thousand   people.   It&#39;s   between   London   and   Chatham   for   those   people   who   know   never   even   heard   of   Chatham   either.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>5:57</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;ve   heard   of   London,   definitely.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>5:58</time>
      <p>
          So   okay,   it&#39;s   between   London   and   Windsor,   put   it   that   way.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>6:01</time>
      <p>
          There   we   go.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>6:02</time>
      <p>
          All   right.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>6:02</time>
      <p>
          Um   that&#39;s   London,   Canada,   folks,   just   in   case   we&#39;re   a   little   bit   more.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>6:06</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   like   both   London   and   Windsor   are   like   in   Chatham,   those   are   all   uh   uh   England   uh   towns.   Yeah.   Because   you   know,   people   who   came   over   here   had   no   um   creativity.   Yeah,   um   and   so   th   this   is   kind   of   a   funny   thing   that   I   uh   so   I   grew   up   in   a   small   town   outside   of,   you   know,   left   Windsor.   Rest   the   rest   of   my   childhood   is   in   a   in   this   small   town   and   in   and   in   a   loghouse   instead   of   in   Windsor   we   had   a   writing   stable   and   people   all   the   time.   Instead,   we   like   lived   in   the   middle   of   nowhere.   Um   and   then   I   went   off   to   high   school,   and   I   remember   in   grade   nine   in   high   school,   I   wanted   to   be   an   architect,   right?   Because   um   I   actually   did   art.   Um   I&#39;ve   always   I&#39;ve   always   drawn   and   stuff   like   that.   Um   like   my   my   high   school   art   teacher   was   distraught   when   I   didn&#39;t   go   to   art   school.   Like   she   wanted   me   to   go   to   uh   Ontario   College   of   Art.   And   I&#39;m   like,   I&#39;m   gonna   take   math   and   physics.   She&#39;s   like,   what?   Why   why   would   you   do   this?   And   I&#39;m   like,   I   like   math   and   physics.   Um   but   if   you&#39;re   good   at   art   and   you   like   math   and   physics,   architect   is   a   great,   you   know,   a   great   job.   Like   it   fits,   it   fits   everything.   And   I   liked   being   outdoors,   and   I   like,   you   know,   I   figured   as   an   architect,   you   would   you   would   sometimes   be   out,   you   know,   on   site,   and   you   know,   you   wouldn&#39;t   be,   I   was   like,   I&#39;d   never   want   to   have   a   job   where   I   sit   behind   a   desk   all   day   and   stuff   like   that.   That&#39;s   you   know,   I   grew   up   in   the   in   the   country,   I   want   to   want   to   stay   there,   right?   Um   and   so   and   then   in   grade   nine,   I   looked   up   where   would   you   go   to   school   for   architecture,   right?   And   the   in   Canada,   the   best   place   to   go   is   Waterloo.   It&#39;s   it&#39;s   the   architecture   school,   right?   And   in   I   did   not   know   that.   Yeah,   and   in   grade   nine,   I   looked   that   up   and   I   said   Waterloo,   and   that&#39;s   like   two   hours   away   from   home.   And   I   was   like,   that&#39;s   too   far.   I   don&#39;t   want   to   go   that   far   from   home.   And   I   just   dropped   it   out   of   my   brain.   I&#39;m   like,   I&#39;m   not   gonna   be   an   architect,   you   know?   And   then   eventually   I   ended   up   going   up,   I   ended   up   living   in   Waterloo.   Like   I   ended   up   going   to   school   up   here,   and   and   then   I   just   stayed   up   here.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>8:10</time>
      <p>
          Wait,   you   did   go   to   Waterloo   though,   right?
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>8:12</time>
      <p>
          I   actually   went   to   Laurier,   the   the   the   the   tiny   high   school   university   down   the   road   from   Waterloo.   The   one   that   people   like   to   always   thought   you   went   to   Waterloo.   I   I   kinda   I   I   took   courses   at   Waterloo   as   well.   Um   and   courses   in   Guelph.   I   I   you   know   I   kept   taking   courses   after   I   graduated.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>8:29</time>
      <p>
          For   all   of   my   our   American   listeners,   those   these   are   places   in   Canada   that   I   know.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>8:34</time>
      <p>
          Well,   so   Waterloo,   everyone   in   in   I   know   about   Waterloo.   Everyone   in   programming   should   know   about   Waterloo   because   it   really   is   a   top   programming   school.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>8:41</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   a   top   10   CS   school.   At   least   it   was   last   time   I   checked.   And   and   people   that   go   there   like   to   say   it&#39;s   the   Harvard   of   Canada,   which   it   is,   it&#39;s   good.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>8:51</time>
      <p>
          No,   no,   if   you   had   said   that,   I   would   have   made   fun   of   you   and   I   would   have   made   fun   of   Waterloo   and   I   would   have   made   fun   of   Harvard.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>8:58</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   it   is   a   very   uh   I   wouldn&#39;t   say   it&#39;s   uh   Harvard   Ivy   League   status,   but   like   it   is   a   very,   very   good   school.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>9:05</time>
      <p>
          Um   for   programming,   it   is   I   mean,   that&#39;s   this   is   where   I   get   all   my   my   interns.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>9:10</time>
      <p>
          Like   we   constantly   have   interns   from   there.   That&#39;s   that&#39;s   where   I   get   them.   Their   co-op   program   is   phenomenal.   Um   and   they   also   they   run   a   series   of   math   contests   through   high   school,   and   if   you   place   in   like   the   top   10%   or   5%   or   something,   you   get   like   automatic   admission   and   access   to   like   an   honors.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>9:26</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   but   you   know   what?   No   one   told   me   that   getting   like   75%   on   that   test   is   is   is   like   in   the   top   five   percent,   right?   Yeah.   Like   I   took   that   test   in   high   school,   right,   before   you   go   to   university.   And   I   didn&#39;t   uh   my   teacher   taught   me   calculus   in   two   days   because   I   was   in   a   semester   at   school,   so   I   hadn&#39;t   learned   calculus   yet.   And   he&#39;s   like,   You&#39;re   gonna   need   to   know   this   for   this   test.   So   like   two   days,   like   here,   I&#39;ll   teach   you   calculus.   I&#39;m   like,   all   right,   put   the   two   from   there   in   the   front.   And   and   then,   and   I   don&#39;t   know   if   it&#39;s   still   that   way,   but   at   the   time,   they   took   marks   off   if   you   got   the   question   wrong.   Right?   It   it   was   either   you   you   answer   it   or   leave   it   blank.   It   was   better   to   leave   it   blank   was   a   zero,   and   if   you   answered   wrong,   you   got   marks   taken   off.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>10:12</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   I   I   I   believe   that&#39;s   I   mean,   I   always   thought   it   was   still   uh   if   you   could   eliminate   guesses,   yeah,   if   you   could   eliminate   choices,   it&#39;s   better   to   kill.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>10:23</time>
      <p>
          But   I   went   through   that   and   I&#39;m   like,   God,   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   barely   gonna,   you   know,   I   don&#39;t   know,   calculus   all   something   like   I&#39;m   gonna   get   like   a   70   on   this.   I&#39;m   gonna   do   terrible,   right?   So   I   start   guessing   on   on   stuff.   I&#39;m   like,   like   I   ended   up   with   like   still   getting   over   50   or   something,   and   that   was   still   a   high   mark,   right?   Like   the   brightest   people   fail   this   stupid   thing,   and   then   I   find   out   later   that   it&#39;s   like,   oh   yeah,   a   70   or   75   or   whatever.   Like,   that&#39;s   an   awesome   mark.   And   I&#39;m   like,   Well,   why   didn&#39;t   someone   tell   me   this?   I   wouldn&#39;t   have   guessed   at   all   these   questions.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>10:53</time>
      <p>
          Uh   because   you   were   in   Bothwell.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>10:55</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   yeah,   exactly.   In   Chatham   for   high   school.   Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>11:02</time>
      <p>
          Interesting.   So   it   went   from   one   generation   of   farmers   to   another,   and   and   your   dad   was   in   the   rodeo,   and   then   you   took   a   hard   right.   Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>11:10</time>
      <p>
          Farmer   rodeo.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>11:12</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   software   rodeo.   It&#39;s   it&#39;s   kind   of   funny   because   my   my   brother   and   sister   still   live   in   the   in   the   hometown,   you   know,   with   a   thousand   people.   Uh,   my   brother   still   lives   on   the   same   property.   Um,   he&#39;s   a   high   school   teacher.   Um   she&#39;s   she   was   what&#39;s   she   doing   now?   She&#39;s   doing   like   stuff   for   United   Way   or   something   now.   Um   uh   but   yeah,   they&#39;re   still   like   the   small   town,   the   small   town   kind   of   thing.   And   I   can   still   go   back   there   and   like   just   hang   out   in   the   in   the   log   house,   and   you   know,   but   I   am   the   high   tech   one   of   the   family.   So   yeah,   it&#39;s   cool.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>11:44</time>
      <p>
          Do   they   have   any   appreciation   for   or   or   not   appreciation,   I   should   say,   but   are   they   aware   of   your   the   status   of   wisdom&#39;s   talk?
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>11:52</time>
      <p>
          Every   now   and   then   my   sister   my   sister   will   like   send   me   a   link   to   like,   oh   my   god,   you&#39;re   giving   a   talk   at   like   at   this   thing.   And   I&#39;m   like,   oh   yeah,   I   give   a   talk   there   every   year.   She&#39;s   like,   what?   I&#39;m   like,   oh   yeah,   I&#39;m   giving   a   keynote   there   this   year   kind   of   thing.   She&#39;s   like,   what?   Like,   uh   don&#39;t   worry   about   it.   It&#39;s   nothing.   It&#39;s   just   it&#39;s   what   we   it&#39;s   what   we   do   around   here.   Um   but   yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>12:15</time>
      <p>
          Um   I   were   keynotes   of   C   now   the   same   new   year.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>12:20</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>12:21</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   I   I   mine   obviously   with   the   security   keynote.   I&#39;m   just   gonna   say   put   that   out   there.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>12:28</time>
      <p>
          Uh   yeah.   I   I   so   want   to   go   back   there.   Um   I   wanna   I   want   to   Yeah,   we   we   missed   you.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>12:34</time>
      <p>
          Wait,   were   you   there   this   year?
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>12:35</time>
      <p>
          No,   I   wasn&#39;t.   I   didn&#39;t   want   to   travel   anywhere.   Um   I   want   to   keynote   there.   I   I&#39;ve   had   a   keynote   talk   for   C   now,   probably   since   the   first   year   I   went,   like   when   it   was   BoostCon.   Yeah,   yeah.   I&#39;m   like,   I   know   what   I   want   to   talk   about.   And   I   haven&#39;t   written   it   down,   of   course,   because   you   know,   it&#39;s   why   would   I   write   it   down   except   for   the   week   before   or   something   like   that?   Um   but   I&#39;ve   had   it   in   the   back   of   my   head   for   like   what   10   years   now?   And   and   then   I   did   finally   did   a   keynote,   but   it   was   online,   and   I&#39;m   like,   well,   I&#39;m   not   gonna   do   that   talk,   I&#39;m   gonna   do   a   different   talk.   Um   but   I&#39;ve   still   got   I   want   to   do   the   keynote   there.   Gotta   be   there.   And   we   also   have   to,   you   know,   you   know,   Bryce,   we&#39;ve   got   that   plan   of   doing   uh   doing   uh   we   got   plans   for   special   talks   at   uh   at   C   now. I   I   still   uh   you   know   I   still   have   that   in   the   back   of   my   mind. Yeah,   so   I   need   to   scout   out   first.   I   think   I   need   a   year   of   scouting   out   and   planning   it,   and   then   the   year   after   that   do   it. Yeah,   yeah.   Oh,   is   this   the   not   that   the   no   spoilers? I   think   I   know   it.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>13:41</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   you   mentioned   this   at   some   point   to   me.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>13:44</time>
      <p>
          Yeah. Yeah,   I   need   I   need   help   with   it   too.   So   I   need   I   need   uh   I   think   it&#39;s   gonna   require   a   staff.   Exactly.   Yeah,   yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>13:54</time>
      <p>
          You   need   like   three   or   four   or   five   tools.   A   little   hard   to   record.   A   little   a   little   challenging.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>13:58</time>
      <p>
          I   mean,   with   all   I&#39;ll   say,   I   won&#39;t   spoil   anything,   but   with   drones,   it&#39;s   possible.   With   drones,   anything   is   possible.   Anything   is   possible   with   drones.   If   we   had   enough   drones,   we   could   make   it   happen.   Um,   and   I&#39;ll   just   let   the   listener&#39;s   imagination   wander   through   that.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>14:14</time>
      <p>
          I   know   what   I   wanted   to   mention.   Um   uh   I&#39;m   the   youngest   of   the   three.   You   know,   I&#39;ve   got   my   brother&#39;s   sister,   I&#39;m   the   youngest.   Uh   computers   showed   up   in   our   high   school   when   I   was   in   grade   10.   My   brother   was   in   grade   12,   my   sister&#39;s   in   grade   13,   we   had   grade   13   back   then.   Um   and   because   they   were   almost   out   of   school,   they&#39;re   like,   oh,   computers,   we&#39;re   not   gonna   take   the   computer   course,   right?   So   they   just   didn&#39;t   get   into   computers.   I   was   in   grade   10,   computers   showed   up,   I&#39;m   like,   I&#39;m   taking   a   computer   course.   This   is   really   cool.   So   like   it&#39;s   the   dividing   line   of   my   anyone   like   you   know,   probably   different   in   every   school,   but   my   brother,   you   know,   obviously   uses   computers   and   everything,   but   he   is   not   you   know   friendly   with   computers.   Whereas   I   just,   you   know,   I   I   live   with   him   every   day,   right?   And   it&#39;s   just   because   he   he   they   just   missed   the   the   window   of   they   didn&#39;t   learn   it   from   from   the   beginning.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>15:13</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   amazing   how   small   things   like   that.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>15:15</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   it   makes   a   difference,   right?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>15:18</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.   Like   this   if   the   pandemic   had   started   a   year   earlier.   Yeah.   Um   like   probably   this   podcast,   Bryce   and   I   being   friends,   all   of   this,   because   like   my   life   and   career   took   a   different   trajectory   basically   when   I   would   have   found   you,   Connor.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>15:35</time>
      <p>
          There   was   nothing   there   is   nothing   in   the   universe   that   would   have   kept   us   apart.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>15:39</time>
      <p>
          Uh   or   actually,   yeah,   we   probably   would   have   been   friends,   but   like   the   C   now   talk   that   I   initially   gave,   like,   said   a   bunch   of   stuff,   chain   reaction,   and   you   know,   then   I   switched   to   NVIDIA.   But   like   if   the   pandemic   had   started   12   months   earlier,   you   wouldn&#39;t   have   given   the   talk   that   conference   wouldn&#39;t   have   happened,   the   talk   wouldn&#39;t   have   happened,   and   who   knows   what   my   Arch   nemesis   talk.   Oh   yeah,   that&#39;s   right.   I   forgot   we&#39;re   Arch   Enemies.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>16:01</time>
      <p>
          Um   Wait,   why   are   you   Arch   Enemies?   Is   it   because   Connor   beats   you   out   for   all   the   awards?
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>16:05</time>
      <p>
          Because   I   wasn&#39;t   there   that   year,   but   like   they   used   to   call   them   the   Tony   Awards   because   I   won   them.   Um   and   then   Connor   shows   up   and   he   wins   even   more.   Like   oh,   that&#39;s   that&#39;s   because   they   created   a   bunch   of   new   ones   for   him.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>16:19</time>
      <p>
          Single   award.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>16:20</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   minus   but   they   but   they   made   up   new   awards,   like   you   know,   best   award   by   someone   with   starts   with   the   letter   C   or   something   like   that.   Like,   I   don&#39;t   know.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>16:28</time>
      <p>
          I   I   I   I   I   I   swear   my   my   hand   to   God,   I   had   nothing   to   do   with   the   awards   process,   and   I   had   no   influence   over   who   got   the   awards.   Like,   yeah,   I   know   it   seems   like   I   must   have   set   that   up   so   that   Connor   so   that   my   prediction   would   come   true,   but   no,   I   really   just   called   it.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>16:46</time>
      <p>
          They   they   the   new   award   was,   and   I   really   liked   the   idea,   it   was   like   best   new   speaker   award.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>16:52</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   but   he   he   won   like   best   news   speaker   and   like   best   speaker   and   like   all   the   other   ones.   What   was   the   one   award   that   you   didn&#39;t   win?
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>16:59</time>
      <p>
          David   Sankel   won   it.   Well,   I   also   didn&#39;t   win   best   best   speak   uh   best   uh   talk   uh   when   I   won   all   my   I   I   did   my   postmodern   talk   there.   First,   the   first   time   I   did   postmodern   and   it   didn&#39;t   win,   and   that&#39;s   you   know   I   will   never   win   an   award   there   now   because   that   was   it.   That   was   my   peak.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>17:18</time>
      <p>
          Well,   you   don&#39;t   have   any   Well,   you   can&#39;t   say   that.   Don&#39;t   tell   me   that,   Tony.   I&#39;ve   like   I&#39;m   looking   forward   to   the   you   know   Oh,   the   upcoming   talk?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>17:26</time>
      <p>
          This   this   from   the   guy   who   said   that   he&#39;s   not   gonna   give   any   more   C   Post   Post   talks.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>17:31</time>
      <p>
          Who?   You   oh   yeah,   that&#39;s   well,   we   can&#39;t   say   that   on   on   air.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>17:36</time>
      <p>
          I   know,   I&#39;ve   heard   you   say   that   already.   I   have   an   I   have   an   excellent   editor.   I   have   an   excellent   editor.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>17:42</time>
      <p>
          What   why   what   does   me   not   giving   any   talks   have   to   do   with   me   not   wanting   to   see   Tony&#39;s   uh   you&#39;ve   got   like   two   categories   of   talks.   There&#39;s   like   the   Tony   Tony   talks,   and   then   there&#39;s   like   Tony   Technical   Talks.   And   they&#39;re   both   great,   but   like   the   Tony   Tony   talks   are   like   it&#39;s   like   get   your   popcorn.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>17:58</time>
      <p>
          My   favorite   part   about   the   Tony   talk   is   that   the   one   Tony   talk   where   there&#39;s   like   where   Tony   like   accurately   predicts   that   I&#39;m   gonna   be   tweeting   the   talk   as   Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>18:08</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.   I   did   get   that   right.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>18:12</time>
      <p>
          I   I   do   uh   I   do   miss   a   good   Tony   talk.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>18:15</time>
      <p>
          Um   there   will   be   there   will   be   some   uh   some   fun   in   my   talk   coming   up.   Um   if   you   notice   the   did   anyone   read   the   abstract?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>18:24</time>
      <p>
          I   mean   I   did,   but   I   read   I   haven&#39;t   looked   at   the   program.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>18:27</time>
      <p>
          How   can   you   say   you   how   can   you   say   you   read   it   and   don&#39;t   remember?   It&#39;s   it&#39;s   the   Beatles.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>18:33</time>
      <p>
          Because   he&#39;s   the   you   know   he&#39;s   the   program   chair.   He   has   to   say   you   read   every   abstract.   I   I   I,   as   a   former   prominent   program   chair,   will   tell   you   you   don&#39;t   read   all   the   abstracts.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>18:44</time>
      <p>
          My   abstract   is   uh   Beatles   song.   Um   parodied,   you   know.   Change   change   some   words   there. Um   I&#39;m   gonna   I&#39;m   gonna   go   I&#39;m   gonna   go   look   at   look   at   it   now. This   is   why   the   the   the   talk   is   called   So   You   Wanna   Write   a   Function.   I   can   I   can   just   tell   you,   So   You   Wanna   Write   a   Function.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>19:06</time>
      <p>
          Well,   you   know,   we   all   want   to   change   the   code.   Oh   yeah,   see   that&#39;s   the   thing,   is   I   do   recall   reading   this,   but   I   don&#39;t   know   the   Beatles   well   enough   to   know   that   this   is   a   Beatles   song.   Oh   man.   What   are   you,   12?   And   I   which   one   of   you   know   you&#39;re   both.   I   mean,   I   the   problem   is   I   just   don&#39;t   know   lyrics.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>19:20</time>
      <p>
          Like   I   can   sing   you   a   couple,   like   um,   well,   look   up   uh   Revolution.   Revolution.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>19:25</time>
      <p>
          And   also   the   problem   is   is   like   this   is   not   the   first   time   if   you&#39;ve   ever   read   Ben   Dean&#39;s   um   abstracts.   He   also   does   these   kind   of   artistic   I   don&#39;t   know   if   they&#39;re   poems   or   if   they&#39;re   lyrics.   Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>19:36</time>
      <p>
          Um   you   don&#39;t   know   what   to   base   it   off   of.   Did   did   you   know   that   some   people   don&#39;t   know   Dr.   Seuss?   That&#39;s   what   I   learned.   Right?   Like   half   the   world   doesn&#39;t   know,   like   if   you&#39;re   not   raised   English,   you   might   not   know   Dr.   Seuss.   I   guess   that&#39;s   true.   Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>19:54</time>
      <p>
          I   mean,   I   we   I   didn&#39;t   I   knew   Dr.   Seuss   because   there   were   movies,   but   we   we   didn&#39;t   we   weren&#39;t   allowed   Dr.   Seuss   in   my   household.   What   is   wrong   with   you?   I   mean,   my   mother   was   very,   very   I   told   a   story   about   my   father,   but   my   mother   let   us   watch   like   four   television   shows.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>20:07</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   but   Dr.   Seuss   is   the   most   educational   thing   ever.   I   mean,   she   would   disagree.   She&#39;s   wrong.   Anyone   out   there   listening,   our   listener,   um   uh   who   may   be   of   that   age   where   you&#39;re   about   to   have   kids,   and   maybe   English   isn&#39;t   your   first   language.   You   want   to   teach   your   kids   some   English?   Dr.   Seuss   books.   I   mean,   also,   didn&#39;t   Dr.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>20:30</time>
      <p>
          Seuss   get   canceled?
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>20:31</time>
      <p>
          No,   they   they   they   took   out   the   and   not   it   wasn&#39;t   canceled,   but   the   people   in   charge   of   Dr.   Seuss,   like   the   estate   or   whatever,   the   publishers   and   stuff,   they   said,   Oh,   this   book,   looking   back,   I   think   I   wrote   this   stuff   in   the   40s   or   whenever   it   was,   right?   Like   the   culture   changes.   So   they&#39;re   like,   eh,   this   book   is   a   little   bit   well,   let&#39;s   not   publish   this   one   anymore.   Right?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>20:53</time>
      <p>
          I   see.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>20:54</time>
      <p>
          And   but   all   the   other   books,   they&#39;re   great.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>20:56</time>
      <p>
          Alright,   I&#39;ve   got   I&#39;ve   got   the   Beatles   Revolution   up,   but   I&#39;ll   I&#39;ll   play   it   um   at   a   later   date.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>21:01</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;ll   I&#39;ll   put   a   that   that&#39;s   gonna   be   the   outro   or   the   intro.   The   intro.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>21:06</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   we   don&#39;t   we   don&#39;t   uh   take   too   much   concern.   Unlike   the   other,   my   other   podcast,   a   raycast,   we   do   not   concern   ourselves   with   copyright.   Feel   free   to   sue   us,   it&#39;ll   be   good   for   our   ratings.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>21:16</time>
      <p>
          But   remember,   remember,   if   you   want   to   sue   this   podcast,   yeah,   yeah.   We   got   a   yoga   lawyer.   Because   this   is   a   Canadian-based   podcast.   Gotta   you&#39;re   fine,   you&#39;re   fine,   you&#39;re   fine.   It&#39;s   Canada.   Nobody&#39;s   gonna   come   to   Canada   to   sue   you.   That&#39;s   true.   Trust   me,   you&#39;ll   be   fine.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>21:33</time>
      <p>
          Everyone&#39;s   gonna   come   to   Canada   because   uh   your   country   over   there   is   uh   need   some   help.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>21:40</time>
      <p>
          Well,   we&#39;re   gonna   have   you   have   to   have   to   have   you   back,   Tony,   because   I   feel   like   we   just   got   started.   We   just   got   we   just   got   the   introduction   out   of   the   way.   Yep.   We   we   lightly   talked   about   functions   at   one   point.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>21:51</time>
      <p>
          We&#39;ll   talk,   we&#39;ll   talk   at   the   conference   or   after   the   conference.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>21:54</time>
      <p>
          Oh   yeah.   But   yeah,   we&#39;ll   do   uh   we&#39;ll   do   a   live   recording   uh   in   T   minus   24   days   for   us,   17   days   for   the   listener.   Actually,   at   this   point,   it&#39;s   after   it&#39;s   probably   past   conferences   over   the   CPP   North.   Um   that   was   a   good   man.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>22:12</time>
      <p>
          This   is   that   this   is   one   my   one   of   my   favorite   conferences.   That   was   so   good.   You   guys   did   an   awesome   job.   Um,   I   think   my   talk   went   well.   I   think   all   the   talking,   that   was   great.   But   Kate   Crazy   Thing.   All   the   keynotes,   Kate&#39;s   keynotes,   always   awesome.   Sean,   like   everyone.   The   the   um   it   that   was   you   guys   did   an   awesome   job.   That   was   one   of   the   best.   It   it   might   it   might   be   my   new   favorite   conference.   Wait,   what   are   we   talking   about?   C   North.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>22:40</time>
      <p>
          Oh,   oh.   I&#39;m   like,   Kate   wasn&#39;t   at   C   now.   What&#39;s   going   on?   I   did   not   register   what   was   happening   there   for   a   solid   20   seconds.   Keep   up,   man.   And   um,   keep   up.   Yes,   it   was   it   was   it   was   great.   And   like   Bryce   said,   that   thing   that   happened.   That   thing   that   happened,   that   was   awesome.   I   was   literally   like,   I   was   having   FOMO   because   I   thought   you   guys   were   talking   about   some   other   conference.   I   was   like,   what   happened?   I&#39;m   not   in   the   no.   It&#39;s   the   best   conference.   Why   didn&#39;t   you   tell   me?   All   right,   Tony.   Thanks   for   coming   on.   Um,   we   will   see   you   in   T   minus,   yeah,   yeah,   couple   weeks.   Or   we   saw   you   in   the   past   at   this   point.
      </p>

        <cite>Tony Van Eerd</cite>
      <time>23:21</time>
      <p>
          It   was   it   was   great.   It   was   nice   seeing   you   again   in   person.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>23:24</time>
      <p>
          Thanks   for   listening.   We   hope   you   enjoyed   and   have   a   great   day.
      </p>