

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>0:00</time>
      <p>
          C   is   either   Charmander   or   Charmeleon,   whereas   Circle   is   Charizard.   And   like,   that&#39;s   the   thing.   I   know   about   Charizard   because   it   was   one   of   the   cards   that   everyone   was   after.   Welcome   to   ADSP   the   podcast   episode   129,   recorded   on   May   10th,   2023.   My   name   is   Connor,   and   today   with   my   co-host   Bryce,   we   chat   about   the   exciting   new   pipeline   operator   that   is   implemented   in   the   most   recent   release   of   Circle.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>0:38</time>
      <p>
          I   did   I   did   reach   out   to   and   get   a   reply   from   the   the   special   guest   that   uh   that   you   have   uh   we&#39;ve   been   desiring.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>0:49</time>
      <p>
          We   can   are   we   we   can   tell   the   listener.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>0:51</time>
      <p>
          No,   no,   no,   we&#39;re   not   gonna   say   it   yet.   We&#39;re   not   gonna   say   it.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>0:53</time>
      <p>
          Can   we   say   what   the   project   was   though?   Because   this   was   a   lit   this   was   a   listener   request.   Okay,   we   won&#39;t   mention   the   project,   but   there&#39;s   an   exciting   new   project.   People   can   put   it   together,   and   someone   requested   it.   If   you   are   that   re   person   if   you   are   that   person,   we   did   reach   out   to   a   person   involved.   We   won&#39;t   say   how   important   they   were,   but   they   are   a   little   bit   uh   pressed   for   time,   correct?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>1:15</time>
      <p>
          But   but   we&#39;re   gonna   we&#39;re   gonna   we   got   a   reply,   and   we&#39;re   gonna   circle   back   in   a   couple   weeks   or   months,   and   I   think   eventually   it&#39;ll   happen.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>1:27</time>
      <p>
          Perfect   segue.   We&#39;re   gonna   circle   to   circle.   I&#39;m   not   sure   if   I&#39;m   not   sure   if   you   have   a   topic   to   talk   about   today,   but   we   could   spend   the   whole   next   30   minutes   that   you   have   talking   about   the   latest   and   greatest   features   in   circle.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>1:42</time>
      <p>
          I   do   have   to   warn   you   that   the   the   the   dog   and   the   girlfriend&#39;s   gonna   come   back   at   some   point   and   noise   is   gonna   be   made.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>1:50</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   alright.   We   only   we   don&#39;t   need   we   can   record   one   episode   now   and   we&#39;ll   set   something   up   next   week.   Alright,   but   so   I&#39;m   not   gonna   screen   share.   We&#39;re   just   gonna   talk   about   it   because   we   don&#39;t   screen   share   anymore.   People   that   follow   me   on   Twitter,   and   I   think   actually   I   mentioned   this   last   episode   that   all   two   of   them.   So   funny,   Bryce,   we   get   it.   You   got   more   Twitter   followers   than   most   people.   And   uh   I   mentioned   it   last   episode   that   Sean   Baxter,   uh,   the   man,   the   myth   the   legend   behind   the   Circle   C   compiler,   was   working   on   implementing   the   pipeline   operator   uh   along   with   the   placeholder.   That   is   now   complete.   It   is   now   available   on   Godbolt,   and   it&#39;s   never   been   a   more   exciting   time.   I   don&#39;t   even   want   to   say   in   C,   because   this   isn&#39;t   C.   This   is   Circle.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>2:39</time>
      <p>
          Circle,   I   think   Circle,   it   doesn&#39;t   have   a   logo,   so   you   don&#39;t   you   don&#39;t   you   don&#39;t   think   post   release   of   C11   was   a   more   exciting   time?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>2:49</time>
      <p>
          I   wasn&#39;t   programming   in   C   back   then.   I   didn&#39;t   I   didn&#39;t   start   programming   in   C   until   2000.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>2:57</time>
      <p>
          Back   in   my   day.   We   didn&#39;t   have   no   variadic   templates.   We   had   to   stamp   those   out   by   hand.   And   we   and   you   know   what?   We   were   happy   about   it.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>3:11</time>
      <p>
          I   don&#39;t   think   people   were.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>3:12</time>
      <p>
          I   don&#39;t   think   people   were   nobody   was   happy   about   it.   But   it   got   the   job   done.   You   you   you   know   you   know   how   that   that&#39;s   how   that   used   to   work,   like   pre-C11.   Like   if   you   wanted   it   as   something   variadic   template,   like   like   the   the   person   who   wrote   the   library,   they   would   just   stamp   out   all   the   overloads.   And   normally   there   would   be   some   preprocessor   magic,   and   you   would   you   would   you   would   define   some   macro   that   would   say   how   many   up   to   what   RD   do   you   want   it   to   support?   And   and   as   you   went   to   higher   RD,   of   course,   compile   times   would   get   slower   and   slower.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>3:46</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   how   that   worked.   That&#39;s   unfortunate.   But   uh   the   improvement   upon   that   in   C11   was   not   as   exciting   as   this.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>3:54</time>
      <p>
          I   I   agree.   I   think   circles   the   most   exciting   thing.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>3:57</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   what&#39;s   exciting   about   this   is   like   this   is   a   proposal   that   I   was   told   by   Zach   Lane   was   dead   in   the   water.   That   makes   me   sad   because   this   Rust   traits   thing   is   not   gonna   entirely   supersede   what   would   have   been   possible   with   this   pipeline   operator.   And   now   I   just   I   off-handedly   mention   it   to   Sean.   I   wouldn&#39;t   say   I   was   trying   to   nerd   snipe   him,   but   I   did   make   a   comment   being   like,   I&#39;ll   basically   turn   all   my   C   talks   over   the   next   two   months   into   circle   talks   if   you   if   you   can   make   this   happen.   Poof.   Three   days   later,   he   has   it   basically   working,   and   then   less   than   a   week   later,   he&#39;s   got   an   instance   of   it   on   Godbolt   that   people   can   play   around   with,   and   it   also   works   with   C23,   works   with   all   the   libraries,   it&#39;s   absolutely   phenomenal.   And   so   are   you   gonna   revive   this   proposal?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>4:38</time>
      <p>
          And   also,   I   gotta   say,   Sean,   brilliant   guy,   so   easy   to   nerd   snipe.   So   easy   to   nerd   snipe.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>4:45</time>
      <p>
          I   mean,   this   is   like   uh   it&#39;s   nerd   sniping,   but   also   too,   like   I&#39;m   thinking   about   there&#39;s   a   couple   internal   projects   that   I&#39;m   working   at   in   NVIDIA,   and   I&#39;m   using   C   23.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>4:56</time>
      <p>
          How   how   amazing   is   it   that   like   like   C   programmers   have   been   conditioned   for   so   many   years   that   a   new   feature   takes   like   years   to   deliver   to   you?   And   then   like   you   go   to   Sean   and   you&#39;re   like,   hey   Sean,   could   you   implement   this   thing?   And   it&#39;s   like   three   days   later,   he&#39;s   like,   Yeah,   here,   this   is   done.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>5:20</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   it&#39;s   it&#39;s   it&#39;s   phenomenal.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>5:23</time>
      <p>
          But   does   that   does   that   say   more   about   Sean   or   about   the   stagnation   in   the   in   in   established   C   ⁇   compilers?   And   and   I   actually   I   actually   bet   that   if   you   that   if   you   asked   Sean,   that   Sean   would   tell   you   that   it   says   more   about   the   state   of   C   compilers   than   it   does   about   any   any   particular   special,   you   know,   uh   thing   about   him   or   circle.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>5:52</time>
      <p>
          I   think   it&#39;s   obviously   both.   I   mean   I   don&#39;t   I   don&#39;t   think   you   would   disagree   that   uh   I&#39;m   sure   if   Sean   is   listening,   maybe   you&#39;ll   be   interested   to   hear   his   thoughts   on   this.   But   Sean   strikes   me   as   like   a   savant   level,   like   he   operates   at   a   very,   very   high   level.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>6:07</time>
      <p>
          I   agree.   I   agree.   But   at   the   end   of   the   day,   he   is   what   he   is   just   one   man.   And   if   one   man,   even   a   savant-level   man   like   Sean   can   make   a   compiler   where   he   can   so   rapidly   implement   new   features   in   unlike   like   three   days   versus   the   you   know   years   that   it   would   take   for   the   city.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>6:34</time>
      <p>
          I   think   it   was   actually   more   like   24   hours,   and   then   the   extra   48   hours   was   like   him   asking   me   for   test   cases,   and   then   he   ran   into   like   two   or   three   bugs,   and   then   by   the   end   of   that   three-day   period,   he   was   basically   yeah,   finished.   And   uh   and   then   just   wait   waiting   for   some   PRs   to   get   pushed   through   on   Gobble   to   I   think   that   this   says   a   lot   about   the   state   of   the   clang   in   GCC   and   MSVC   code   bases.   And   it&#39;s   not   to   say   that   there   aren&#39;t   there   aren&#39;t   brilliant   folks   working   on   uh   those   three   different   compilers,   but   like   I   have   to   say,   like   I   have   not   been   more   excited   about   it&#39;s   not   about   the   people.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>7:14</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   about   it&#39;s   about   the   code   bases   and   it&#39;s   about   the   process.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>7:18</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.   But   just   like   having   this,   I   had   been   in   the   back   of   my   head   thinking   about   like,   oh   yeah,   it&#39;d   be   really   cool,   because   I   I   have   a   pretty   clear   idea   of   um   I&#39;ve   I&#39;ve   already   got   probably   50   to   75%   of   my   C   talk   um   done.   And   I&#39;ve   had   the   idea   of   what   I   wanted   to   do   for,   you   know,   since   basically   the   beginning   of   the   year   when   I   started   uh   submitting   talks   or   proposals.   And   I   had   thought   in   the   back   of   my   head   it   would   be   really   cool   if   uh   I   could   have   actu   an   actual   working   compiler   to   link   people   to   the   possible   version   of   the   solutions   to   these   problems   I&#39;m   gonna   be   showing   uh   with   the   pipeline.   But   like   the   only   way   that   that&#39;s   possible   is   through   Circle.   There&#39;s   no   way   that   MSVC,   GCC,   or   Clang,   uh   unless   if   I   forked   Clang   myself   and   like   did   my   own   compiler   hackery,   but   like   Lord   knows,   you   know,   that   we&#39;ll   link   in   the   description   show   notes.   Uh   I&#39;m   not   gonna   remember   his   name,   but   he   I   believe   lives   in   Israel   and   he   gave   a   talk   at   CPPCon   2019   and   he   implemented   concepts   and   he   just   like   you   just   I   I   will   I   will   now   attempt   to   nerd   snipe   anybody   here   who&#39;s   a   Klang   developer.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>8:28</time>
      <p>
          I   believe   that   Klang   is   is   great.   If   you   think   that   Klang   is   so   great,   and   if   you   think   that   Circle   is   just   a   bunch   of   hot   air,   then   one   of   you   goes   go   implement   the   pipeline   operator   in   24   hours,   and   you   get   an   extra   48   hours   for   for   for   bugs   and   tests.   Go   go   do   it.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>8:52</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>8:52</time>
      <p>
          Like   you   know   what?   You   you   can   even   all   like   team   up.   Like   a   group   of   you   can   go   do   it.   I   I   dare   you   to   go   do   it   in   Clang.   I   I   dare   somebody,   you   get   three   days   to   go   to   go   and   implement   this   thing.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>9:06</time>
      <p>
          See   if   you   can   do   it.   You   know   what   it   has   me   thinking   now   too   is   this   is   a   feature   that   um   I   think   for   a   while   you   didn&#39;t   care   about,   but   then   once   you   started   using   some   range   of   stuff,   you   were   like,   oh,   we   need   this.   And   I   was   like,   I   told   you   that   like   three   years   ago   was   the   uh   the   papers   called   polymorphic   lambdas   with   structure   bindings   or   something   that   like   that.   They   they   don&#39;t   call   them   generic   lambdas,   they   call   them   polymorphic   lambdas.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>9:27</time>
      <p>
          Somebody   somebody   once   told   me   that   the   the   mark   of   a   smart   person   is   their   willingness   to   rapidly   change   their   position   when   they   realize   they&#39;re   wrong.   Flexible   I   flip-flop   like   the   best   of   them.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>9:40</time>
      <p>
          Yep.   But   like   now,   that&#39;s   got   me   thinking,   because   there&#39;s   this   one   code   example.   I   actually   haven&#39;t   uh   I   haven&#39;t   modified   it   to   get   it   working,   but   it&#39;s   actually   it&#39;s   an   example   that   Barry   uses   in   his   proposal,   uh,   the   ISO   C   paper.   And   that   that   solution   will   be   enhanced   even   a   little   bit   more   if   we   have   that   uh   generic   lambdas   with   uh   structure   bindings   so   that   you   can   unpack   it   right   in   the   the   parameter   list.   Yes.   And   like   now   I&#39;m   thinking   like   I   don&#39;t   even   know   if   that&#39;s   possible.   Like   I   I   think   some   things   need   to   be   figured   out,   but   now   I&#39;m   Sean,   if   you&#39;re   listening,   if   if   you   if   you   need   something   else.   Please,   Sean.   And   now   this   this   is   makes   me   think   like   I   have   like   I   should   have.   Sean   doesn&#39;t   have   time   to   listen   to   this   podcast.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>10:22</time>
      <p>
          We   can   we   can   safely   say   whatever   we   want   about   about   Sean.   He&#39;s   um   he&#39;s   not   listening.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>10:28</time>
      <p>
          But   the   point   is,   is   like   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   just   over   the   moon   that   now   not   only   do   I   have   access   to   this   and   I   can   use   it,   but   like   I   I   basically   my   talk   is   gonna   be   a   C   talk   for   like   the   first   two   examples,   and   then   I&#39;m   just   gonna   switch.   I&#39;ve   even   made   my   own   circle   logo.   But   but   circ   but   Circle   is   C.   It   is,   but   like   C   doesn&#39;t   get   me   this   excited.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>10:49</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   yeah,   but   but   but   but   I   I   I   wanna   I   wanna   drive   drive   this   point   home   because   I   think   this   is   a   point   that   Sean   would   make.   Circle   is   not   a   a   successor   language   to   C   ⁇ .   It&#39;s   not   trying   to   be   um   a   different   language.   Circle   is   trying   to   to   chart   a   a   better   path   forward   for   C   ⁇   and   specifically   a   better   path   forward   for   how   we   develop   and   evolve   C   ⁇ .   And   honestly,   I   think   that   I   think   that   C   would   be   better   off   if   we   just   uh   appointed   Sean   the   dictator   of   C,   and   we   just   closed   up   the   ISO   shop   and   you   know,   just   the   the   the   future   evolution   of   C   was   all   done   through   Circle   and   Circle   was   the   official   um   uh   reference   language.   But   but   what   what   what   Sean   really   means   by   that   when   he   says   that   Circle   is   C   is   that   um   uh   it&#39;s   you   know   it&#39;s   extensions   and   proposals   to   C,   but   that   it&#39;s   all   built   on   top   of   C   ⁇   itself.   Um   that   it&#39;s   not   not   meant   to   be   a   new   language,   it&#39;s   not   meant   to   be   a   thing   from   scratch.   Um   that   that   he   feels   that   it&#39;s   important.   Um   and   also   he   feels   that   that   we   can   evolve   C   into   a   better   language,   and   he&#39;s   trying   to   show   us   how   to   do   that.   And   he   thinks   that   that&#39;s   a   better   idea   than   going   and   building   these   successor   languages.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>12:24</time>
      <p>
          So   I   went   and   looked   up   a   Pokemon   evolution,   because   I   didn&#39;t   I   wasn&#39;t   allowed   to   follow   Pokemon   or   watch   it   or   have   the   card   story   for   another   different   day.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>12:33</time>
      <p>
          You   had   an   interesting   childhood.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>12:34</time>
      <p>
          Um   but   so   I&#39;m   not   sure   if   Charmander   is   like   pre-C11   and   then   He   definitely   is   Charmeleon   is   like   uh   C11   slash   20,   like   all   the   new   editions,   but   like   Charizard   is   definitely   Circle.   It&#39;s   like   so   that&#39;s   that&#39;s   what   I   mean   is   that   like   I   don&#39;t   want   to   put   a   C   logo   in   the   top   corner   of   my   circle   code   because   C   is   either   Charmander   or   Charmeleon,   whereas   Circle   is   Charizard,   and   like   that&#39;s   the   thing.   I   know   about   Charizard   because   it   was   one   of   the   cards   that   everyone   was   after.   I   couldn&#39;t,   I   not   in   a   million   years   would   I&#39;ve   been   able   to   tell   you   Charmander   and   Charmeleon.   Like   I   know   Pikachu   and   Bulls.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>13:14</time>
      <p>
          I   mean   Charmander&#39;s   pretty   good,   I   gotta   say.   Like,   you   know,   he   was   pretty   good   back   in   the   day.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>13:20</time>
      <p>
          Back   in   the   day,   but   now   and   so   that&#39;s   the   thing,   is   I   just   I   I   know   that   uh   circle   is   a   good   one.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>13:24</time>
      <p>
          Because   like   he&#39;s   like   good   against   like   the   first   couple   of   gym   bosses.   I   think   I   think   uh   in   like   the   original   games,   I   think   like   Squirtle   was   really   the   one   that   struggled.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>13:35</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   I   mean   not.   I   know   Squirtle   is   the   little   uh   little   toad   Wilken   like   one,   right?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>13:39</time>
      <p>
          No,   no,   no.   Maybe   it   was   the   maybe   it   was   uh   Where&#39;s   that   Bulbasaur?   Maybe   it   was   the   it   was   the   grass   one.   Well,   anyways,   one   of   no   one   of   them   had   difficulty   against   the   first   few   few   gym   bosses.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>13:52</time>
      <p>
          The   point   is,   Charizard,   aka   circle   is   the   evolved   C.   And   so   even   though   they   are,   you   know,   the   same   thing   in   some   respects,   and   like   I   think   that&#39;s   how   Sean   wants   to   market   it,   is   like   this   has   me   so   excited   now,   and   like   although   I   I   I   will   say   I   Sean   is   not   somebody   who   does   marketing.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>14:11</time>
      <p>
          Sean   Sean   is   telling   you   genuinely   what   he   thinks   and   believes.   I&#39;ve   I&#39;ve   never   heard   a   man   with   less   bullshit   in   him   than   Sean.   And   I   say   that   as   a   person   with   a   great   deal   of   bullshit   in   me.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>14:28</time>
      <p>
          I   knew   that   how   that   sentence   was   gonna   end.   Uh   and   I   say   that.   Fill   in   the   blank.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>14:33</time>
      <p>
          Uh   oh,   I   have   a   I   have   a   dog.   And   she&#39;s   gonna   come   right   over   to   me   right   now.   Yes,   she   is.   She   has   to   say   hi.   Because   she   just   went   outside.   Alright,   let&#39;s   um   let&#39;s   let&#39;s   wrap   up   wherever   this   is   going.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>14:52</time>
      <p>
          So,   what   did   you   want   to   talk   about?   I   mean,   just   basically   announcing   that   uh   there&#39;ll   be   links   in   the   description   for   folks   that   want   to   go   check   this   out.   And   in   general,   it   just   has   me   more   excited   about   like   I   think   last   episode   I   said   using   some   of   the   other   features   like   language   tuples   and   variants   would   have   me   a   little   bit   concerned   because   then   it   becomes   like   a   lot   less   compatible   with   like   existing   C   compilers.   And   now   I&#39;m   thinking   to   myself,   what   what   version   of   me   is   saying   that?   Like   I   want   language   tuples.   Why   why   do   I   even   care   if   I&#39;m   if   I&#39;m   veering   a   little   bit   away   from   C   if   I&#39;m   just   gonna   be   compiling   with   Circle?   Anyways,   yeah,   the   point   is   Circle&#39;s   amazing   and   super   excited   about   it.   Yeah,   so   stay   tuned,   folks.   My   C   talk   is   now   a   Circle   Talk.   Thank   you   to   Sean.   Super   excited.   And   also,   too,   like   uh   I   don&#39;t   mean   uh   to   say   this   too,   that   like   you   know,   C   is   done.   Like   I&#39;d   think   the   folks   in   the   C   ISO   committee   should   be   like   uh   I   know   that   yeah,   like   the   template   metaprogramming   group,   which   I   think   actually   is   like   temporarily   shut   down   from   what   I&#39;ve   heard.   I   mean,   I   don&#39;t   really   follow   the   ISO   um   ins   and   outs.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>15:55</time>
      <p>
          Well,   I   mean   uh   Han   is   leading   that   one.   But   uh   I   mean   your   point   about   you&#39;re   not   saying   that   C   is   done.   I   mean   I   think   that&#39;s   Sean&#39;s   whole   point   is   that   C   isn&#39;t   done,   that   the   future   of   C   should   be   circle.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>16:09</time>
      <p>
          A   point   with   which   I   wholeheartedly   agree.   I   just   I   feel   like   I&#39;m   gonna   be   testing   out   all   of   my   personal   projects   that   I   have.   Because   I   already   was   gonna   I   kind   of   was   waiting   for   C23   so   I   could   just   get   rid   of   a   lot   of   the   range   v3   stuff   that   I   was   depending   on.   And   now   that   I&#39;m   doing   that,   I   just   I   feel   like   uh   let&#39;s   check.   Let&#39;s   check   on   circle   laying.   Do   they   have   CMake?   Um   I   would   almost   ooh,   I   Googled   CMake   and   it   doesn&#39;t   actually   say   anything.   But   I   imagine,   I   mean,   if   you   can   get   this   to   work   on   the   command   line,   you   can   get   this   to   work   with   CMake,   correct?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>16:47</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.   Well,   I   mean,   CM   As   somebody   who   has   spent   some   amount   of   time   trying   to   get   CMake   to   work   with   new   compilers,   it&#39;s   um   it&#39;s   not   trivial.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>16:59</time>
      <p>
          Let&#39;s   go   to   the   GitHub.   Circle   GitHub.   Circle   CI   is   the   first   thing   that   comes   up.   Sean.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>17:12</time>
      <p>
          Have   we   ever   done   an   episode   where   we   talked   about   how   we   like   to   present?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>17:18</time>
      <p>
          Uh   like   at   conferences?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>17:20</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>17:22</time>
      <p>
          I   don&#39;t   think   so.   We&#39;ve   we&#39;ve   done   like   meta   conversations,   especially   one   of   them   came   up   with   um   Sean   Parent,   who   we   have   to   have   on.   We   apologize,   Sean.   I   can&#39;t   even   when&#39;s   the   last   time   we&#39;ve   had   him   on?   It&#39;s   been   way   too   long.   I   don&#39;t   know.   Um   we&#39;re   gonna   we&#39;re   gonna   reach   out,   Sean.   We&#39;ll   see   if   we   can   I   think   he&#39;s   at   Civil.   That&#39;s   what   we&#39;ll   do.   He&#39;s   at   C   now.   We&#39;re   supposed   to   talk   to   Tristan   Brindle.   We&#39;re   gonna   have   Tristan.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>17:45</time>
      <p>
          Oh   yeah,   I   gotta,   I   gotta,   I   gotta   say,   because   like   like   I   peep   peep.   I   am   not   at   C   now.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>17:54</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>17:54</time>
      <p>
          Okay.   I&#39;m   not   there   this   year.   There&#39;s   no   particular   reason.   I   just   I   have   a   lot   of   travel.   This   one,   this   was   the   trip   that   got   cut,   but   I   am   not   there.   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   getting   like   three   or   four   messages   a   day   from   people   being   like,   hey,   where   are   you?   We   are   we&#39;re   going   to   dinner.   Or   like   other   various   inquiries.   It&#39;s   like,   I&#39;m   fine.   I   am   not   I   am   not   in   a   hospital,   I   am   not   sick.   I&#39;m   just   simply   not   at   the   conference.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>18:25</time>
      <p>
          I   feel   very   sad.   Nobody&#39;s   asked   me   why   I&#39;m   not   at   the   conference.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>18:28</time>
      <p>
          Um   You&#39;re   not   as   important   as   me.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>18:30</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   clear,   clearly   not,   clearly   not.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>18:33</time>
      <p>
          That&#39;s   not   true.   If   if   if   if   I   if   I   I   I   I   may   be   a   more   prominent   person   right   now,   Connor,   but   the   the   like   my   my   velocity   may   be   greater,   but   your   acceleration   is   definitely   greater.   I   feel   like   in   ten   years   from   now,   I&#39;m   gonna   be   telling   people,   oh   yeah,   I   knew   Connor   back   when   he   was   a   little   What   do   you   what   do   you   mean?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>18:54</time>
      <p>
          What   this   this   podcast   is   still   gonna   be   happening.   You&#39;re   gonna   be   telling   people   I   know   him?   You&#39;re   we&#39;re   still   gonna   be   co-hosts,   buddy.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>18:58</time>
      <p>
          Uh   I   I   definitely   will   be   telling   people   I   know   you.   Do   you   tell   people   that   you   know   me?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>19:06</time>
      <p>
          Uh   I   mean,   people   people   just   know   that   we   know   each   other   because   most   people   that   know   That&#39;s   true.   Well,   actually,   I   mean   I   don&#39;t   I   don&#39;t   know.   Like,   because   what   are   the   circumstances   where   I&#39;m   at   some   event?   It&#39;s   always   a   conference,   and   typically   the   crowd   at   the   conference.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>19:23</time>
      <p>
          Except   for   C   now,   which   is   a   conference   that   I   am   not   attending.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>19:28</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.   I   I   don&#39;t   think   I&#39;ll   be   ever   ever   be   able   to   make   it   back   unless   if   I   skip   because   I   am   in   the   midst   of   three   races.   Two,   one   that   I   had   a   couple   days   ago   and   one   that   I   had   a   week   ago,   and   then   there&#39;s   one   on   the   14th.   So   like   basically   the   conference   is   bookended   by   like   two   of   my   favorite   races.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>19:46</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>19:47</time>
      <p>
          Anyways,   back   to   uh   so   there   are   a   couple   issues   on   the   uh   circle   GitHub   that   are   entitled,   they&#39;re   closed,   so   you   can   go   read   them,   we&#39;ll   link   them   in   the   show   notes.   Advice   to   replace   G   with   Circle   for   CMake   projects,   and   there&#39;s   been   a   couple   other   CMake   fixes,   so   uh   it   looks   like   there   is   CMake   support.   Uh   probably   there   should   be   a   bullet   point   on   the   homepage   that   says   something   about   that.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>20:09</time>
      <p>
          But   uh,   you   know,   like   it   it   may   not   support   all   the   flags   or   all   our   like   it   may   not   have   built-in   support   for   setting   in   the   features,   and   I   don&#39;t   know   whether   um   uh   circle   CUDA   is   fully   supported   by   CMake   and   things   like   that.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>20:22</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.   I&#39;ll   uh   well   I&#39;ll   be   testing   it   out.   So   uh   stay   tuned,   listener.   And   yes,   Sean,   we&#39;ll   have   you   on.   What   is   what   is   it   today?   It   is   both   we   can   have   both   Sean&#39;s   on.   Have   we   had   wait,   have   we   had   Sean   Baxter   on?   Oh   yeah,   what   do   you   when   you   recorded   in   your   apartment?   We   did   a   three-part   episode   episode.   Which   is   so   unfortunate   because   that   I   think   is   one   of   our   best   episodes   of   all   time.   But   because   you   recorded   an   apartment,   uh,   it   was   super   echoey.   So   like   that&#39;s   like   one   of   our   best   episodes   and   one   of   our   worst   quality   uh   audio   qualities,   but   it&#39;s   still,   I   think,   people   loved   it.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>20:54</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   just   uh   would   have   been   amazing   if   well   this   episode   is   not   gonna   be   one   known   for   our   audio.   Like,   I   don&#39;t   know   how   I   sound   right   now.   No,   you   sound   decent.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>21:03</time>
      <p>
          I   mean   it&#39;s   not   as   crispy   clear,   but   it&#39;s   like   f   60%,   70%   uh   is   good.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>21:08</time>
      <p>
          So   I&#39;m   gonna   get   a   travel   mic   just   so   that   w   wherever   I   am   in   the   world,   I   can   always   do   something.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>21:17</time>
      <p>
          Yep.   And   uh   yeah,   we&#39;ll   have   Sean,   we&#39;ll   reach   out.   And   so   yeah,   what   is   it   the   date   today   is   the   10th?   We&#39;re   releasing   this.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>21:26</time>
      <p>
          Don&#39;t   tell   don&#39;t   don&#39;t   tell   me   that.   I   don&#39;t   I   don&#39;t   want   to   know   that.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>21:30</time>
      <p>
          This   is   getting   released   on   the   12th.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>21:32</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   as   far   as   my   mind   is   concerned,   uh   it&#39;s   the   start   of   May.   It&#39;s   not   May   10th.   It&#39;s   the   start   of   May.   I&#39;ve   still   got   a   month   ahead   of   me.   Okay.   Glad   we&#39;re   on   the   same   page.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>21:44</time>
      <p>
          Oh   yeah.   We   probably   let&#39;s   see   if   we   can   record   with   either   Tristan   and   Ben.   So   we&#39;re   gonna   have   a   just   to   let   the   listener   know   where   we   gotta   record.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>21:52</time>
      <p>
          We   gotta   record   next   week,   because   then   I   got   my   mom   in   town.   Um   So   let&#39;s   do   well,   we   we   we   have   to   record.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>22:06</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   let&#39;s   well   let&#39;s   try   and   do   it   early   because   I&#39;ll   be   in   I&#39;ll   be   in   New   York   Wednesday   to   Saturday,   so   I   can&#39;t   do   it   then.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>22:13</time>
      <p>
          Um   and   and   once   again   to   clarify,   you   are   not   coming   to   see   me,   even   though   you,   my   closest   friend,   are   coming   to   New   York.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>22:21</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   going   to   Montauk.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>22:23</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   going   to   Montauk.   You   can   come   to   Montauk.   I   oh   at   the   last   New   York   C   meetup,   I   told   multiple   people   about   your   uh   your   trip   to   Montauk   and   the   ridiculous   mechanisms   by   which   you   are   using   to   get   from   the   airport   to   Montauk,   and   everybody   agreed   that   uh   Hey,   it&#39;s   not   my   fault.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>22:40</time>
      <p>
          Google   Maps   said   there   was   no   transit   to   the   Gurney   Resort   and   I   didn&#39;t   think   to   change   the   location.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>22:46</time>
      <p>
          As   as   my   girlfriend   will   happily   tell   you,   you   should   not   rely   on   Google   Maps   as   much   as   you   do.   What?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>22:54</time>
      <p>
          What   I   what   else   should   I   rely   on?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>22:56</time>
      <p>
          I   don&#39;t   know.   Common   sense.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>22:58</time>
      <p>
          I   thought   you   were   gonna   say   me,   Connor,   you   should   have   asked   me.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>23:02</time>
      <p>
          No,   my   my   um   I   used   to   think   I   had   an   excellent   sense   of   direction,   but   I   have   been   I   you   know,   I   didn&#39;t   know   I   was   clumsy,   and   I   didn&#39;t   know   that   I   didn&#39;t   have   an   excellent   sense   of   direction.   These   are   things   that   I   feel   like   your   parents   should   tell   you,   but   I   did   not   learn   those   until   recently.   And   I   have   no   table   manners.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>23:24</time>
      <p>
          We   we   live,   we   learn,   and   uh   we&#39;ll   uh   we&#39;re   gonna   see   each   other   lots   though.   We&#39;re   gonna   see   each   other   for   like   a   week.   Also,   yeah,   we   I   still   have   to   book   I   still   have   to   book   hotels.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>23:35</time>
      <p>
          Um,   but   uh   that   is   I   yes,   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   working   on   on   finalizing   the   travel   plans.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>23:43</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   I   haven&#39;t   booked   half   half   my   hotels.   I   got   all   my   flights   booked   finally   just   like   a   couple   days   ago.   Um   almost   messing.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>23:51</time>
      <p>
          Who   are   you   who   are   you   who   are   you   flying   out   of   Venice?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>23:56</time>
      <p>
          Uh   I&#39;m   going   to   Dublin,   so   I&#39;m   pretty   sure   there   was   only   two   options   that   were   direct.   One   was   Ryanair   and   one   was   Airlingus,   and   the   Airlines   one   was   Please,   please   tell   me   you   took   the   Airlingus   one.   Yeah.   I   I   I&#39;ve   heard   I&#39;ve   heard   that   Ryanair   is   kind   of   the   equivalent   of   Flair.   I&#39;m   not   sure   if   you&#39;ve   heard   of   that   airline,   but   I   like   to   say   if   you   don&#39;t   care,   fly   flare.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>24:16</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>24:18</time>
      <p>
          Um   but   honestly,   it   was   more   because   of   the   time   of   day.   One   of   them   was   like   eight   in   the   morning   and   the   other   one   was   at   noon,   so   you   took   the   eight   in   the   morning   one?   No,   I   took   the   noon   one.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>24:27</time>
      <p>
          Okay.   Well,   mistakes.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>24:30</time>
      <p>
          Mistakes.   Why?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>24:32</time>
      <p>
          You   should   I   mean,   you   should   prefer   to   to   to   take   the   the   first   flight   in   the   morning   because   it&#39;s   uh   delays   accumulate   throughout   the   day,   and   also   if   you   take   the   first   flight   in   the   morning   or   the   like   the   last   flight   of   the   day,   then   you   get   to   spend   like   the   full   day   at   your   destination.   If   you   travel   in   the   middle   of   the   day,   then   like   it&#39;s   it&#39;s   just   a   full   transit   day.   Now,   if   if   it&#39;s   a   full   transit   day,   if   you&#39;re   on   like   an   eight   hour   flight,   that   doesn&#39;t   matter.   But   if   you&#39;re   flying   somewhere   that&#39;s   like   two   or   three   hours   away,   if   you   take   the   eight   AM   flight,   you   get   in   like   ten,   eleven,   and   then   like   it&#39;s   it&#39;s   just   like   you,   you   know,   had   like   a   a   slightly   late   morning   getting   up.   Whereas   if   you   take   the   noon   flight,   then   like   you   just   you&#39;ve   lost   that   whole   day.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>25:17</time>
      <p>
          I   don&#39;t   know   if   I&#39;d   agree   with   that.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>25:19</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   just   saying   you   denied   yourself.   Anyways,   anyways,   that   that   the   air   lingus   flight.   I&#39;m   taking   an   8   a.m.   flight   out   of   Venice   to   go   to   London   Heathrow.   My   flight   to   New   York   is   like   at   5   p.m.,   but   I&#39;m   gonna   go   to   some   lounges.   Anyways,   I   gotta   go.   So   sorry,   you   what   were   you   saying   about   the   Airlines   flights?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>25:38</time>
      <p>
          Well   no,   I   was   gonna   say   you   told   me   not   to   take   Ryanair,   and   the   Airlingus   one   was   the   one   at   noon.   So,   you   know,   you&#39;re   giving   me   conflicting   uh,   you   know,   what   do   I   do?   No,   it&#39;s   a   better   airline   at   noon   or   worse   airline   at   you   made   the   correct   decision.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>25:49</time>
      <p>
          But   but   the   bigger   problem   is   why   are   you   booking   flights   without   just   talking   to   me?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>25:55</time>
      <p>
          You   know,   you   know,   there&#39;s   a   short   answer   to   this,   Bryce,   and   it&#39;s   because   I&#39;ve   had   literally   book   all   my   accommodation   and   travel   on   my   list   of   things   to   do   since   back   in   March.   And   we&#39;re   now   it&#39;s   it&#39;s   now   May   10th,   and   I   just   like   I&#39;m   so   it   just   it   doesn&#39;t   take   a   ton   of   time,   but   it   takes   like   a   couple   hours   to   book   like   a   few   different   flights   and   look   around.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>26:14</time>
      <p>
          I   you   you   know   that   I   love   playing.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>26:16</time>
      <p>
          I   know,   I   know,   but   I   I   procrastinate   so   much   on   it   that   like   finally   when   it   gets   to   like   an   8   p.m.   on   a   Monday   and   I&#39;m   like,   okay,   I&#39;m   actually   gonna   do   this,   I&#39;m   not   gonna   message   you   to   then   find   out,   oh,   I   can&#39;t   let&#39;s   do   it   tomorrow   morning.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>26:29</time>
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          I   would   drop   everything   and   just   go   do   it.   Now   you   might   open   up   a   few   credit   cards   in   the   process.   Okay,   I   I   gotta   go   though.
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        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>26:35</time>
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          All   right,   it&#39;s   been   a   blast.   We   will   yeah,   chat   next   week.   And   uh   all   the   listeners,   have   a   good   have   a   good   week.   Be   sure   to   check   your   show   notes   either   in   your   podcast   app   or   at   adspthepodcast.com   for   any   of   the   topics   that   we   mentioned   in   today&#39;s   episode,   as   well   as   a   link   to   a   GitHub   discussion   where   you   can   leave   any   thoughts,   questions,   or   comments   on   today&#39;s   episode.   Thanks   for   listening.   We   hope   you   enjoyed   and   have   a   great   day.
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