

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>0:00</time>
      <p>
          The   look   on   your   face   just   says,   like,   okay,   so   so   for   the   audience,   I&#39;m   a   few   minutes   late   and   I   just   joined   the   call.   And   I   was   expecting   I   was   expecting   Connor   to   be   doing   something   else,   but   no,   he&#39;s   just   sitting   there   staring   at   the   camera   as   if   he&#39;s   just   been   sitting   there   still   doing   nothing   else   for   the   past   for   the   past   half   an   hour.   I&#39;m   sorry,   buddy.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>0:37</time>
      <p>
          Welcome   to   ADSP   The   Podcast   episode   33,   recorded   on   June   26,   2021.   My   name   is   Connor,   and   today   with   my   co-host   Bryce,   we   have   a   casual   chat   about   Bryce&#39;s   impending   move   to   New   York   City   and   also   the   upcoming   2022   ISO   C   committee   meetings.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>0:56</time>
      <p>
          So   yeah,   I&#39;m   sorry   I   was   late.   I   uh   I   do   this   thing   now   where   I   eat   breakfast   after   my   morning   bikes   bike   rides.   So   uh   and   um   uh   I   w   I   did   a   very   intensive   bike   ride   yesterday.   Um   broke   a   new   personal   record.   Woo!   Um   but   then   this   morning   I   got   out   to   bike   ride   and   I   was   just   like,   oh   my   god,   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   old,   nothing   works,   and   this   is   gonna   take   forever.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>1:24</time>
      <p>
          What   was   the   personal   record   you   broke?   Distance,   speed?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>1:27</time>
      <p>
          Um   yeah,   just   like   average   average   speed.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>1:30</time>
      <p>
          Nice.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>1:30</time>
      <p>
          So   I   did   I   did   um   yesterday   I   did   20   kilometers   at   an   average   speed   of   30   kilometers   an   hour,   and   I   usually   do   around   that   distance   at   uh   an   average   speed   of   28   kilometers   an   hour.   So,   you   know,   you&#39;re   you&#39;re   uh   when   you&#39;re   um   uh   like   bike   training,   you&#39;re   supposed   to   either   increase   your   velocity   or   your   distance.   So   I   had   been   working   on   increasing   distance   for   a   while,   and   now   I&#39;ve   been   working   on   upping   my   velocity.   But   anyways,   so   I   got   I   got   back   a   little   bit   a   little   bit   later   than   expected,   and   then   I   had   to   shower,   and   um   I   had   to   have   my   breakfast   cheese,   and   uh   I   was   like,   I   could   come   10   minutes   earlier   to   the   podcast   and   just   eat   my   breakfast   cheese   during   the   podcast,   but   it&#39;s   a   podcast,   so   me   eating   cheese   and   crackers   probably   isn&#39;t   gonna   come   over   that   well.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>2:24</time>
      <p>
          Just   and   to   be   clear,   a   few   minutes   by   a   few   minutes,   what   Bryce   means   is   33   minutes.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>2:30</time>
      <p>
          I   it   was   30   minutes.   It   was   30   minutes.   I   give   you   a   house.   Um   I&#39;m   sorry,   but   it&#39;s   uh   it&#39;s   alright.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>2:37</time>
      <p>
          I   mean,   I   was   50   minutes   late   for   the   last   one,   and   we   had   guests   that   time,   so   um   When   are   you   moving?   I   was   half   expecting   you   to   be   in   New   York.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>2:45</time>
      <p>
          Uh   because   you   took   No,   I   move   August   25th,   and   uh   um   I&#39;m   flying   out   next   week.   Actually,   like   like   eight   days   I   fly   out   to   New   York   to   go   find   a   place.   Yeah.   Is   it   eight   days?   No,   maybe   it&#39;s   like   two   weeks.   No,   I   guess   it&#39;s   basically   like   next   week.   I   fly   out   on   the   7th.   There&#39;s   a   lot   of   big   C   names   moving   between   uh   companies.   You   know   about   one   of   we   can&#39;t   say   it   yet,   but   you   know   about   one   of   them   that&#39;s   happening   in   NVIDIA.   Somebody   coming   to   NVIDIA,   yeah,   that   I&#39;m   very   excited   about.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>3:14</time>
      <p>
          Yes,   as   am   I.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>3:16</time>
      <p>
          Um   Drama.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>3:17</time>
      <p>
          Do   I   leave   this   do   I   leave   this   in   the   podcast?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>3:19</time>
      <p>
          Uh   I   because   I   Oh   yeah,   I   definitely   do.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>3:22</time>
      <p>
          Anyways,   how   have   things   been,   man?   This   so   yeah,   our   uh   for   our   listeners,   it&#39;s   it&#39;s   been   what   May   12th   was   I   think   the   last   time   we   actually   had   an   episode   where   it   was   just   me.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>3:32</time>
      <p>
          Was   it   yeah,   it   was   it&#39;s   been   like   a   month   and   a   half   because   Oh,   but   we&#39;ve   we   but   we&#39;ve   talked   since   then,   yeah.   Uh   it&#39;s   just   that   it&#39;s   just   that   we   haven&#39;t   had   an   episode   of   me,   just   me   and   you   since   then.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>3:43</time>
      <p>
          Have   we   talked   since   then?   I&#39;m   not   even   sure.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>3:45</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   because   we   were   we   recorded   the   app   we   recorded   the   one   with   Patricia   and   the   the   Patricia   and   uh   and   Chandler.   I   don&#39;t   uh   see.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>3:53</time>
      <p>
          I   don&#39;t   count   the   I   don&#39;t   count   those   though   because   it&#39;s   different   whenever   we   because   we   we   did   shine.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>3:58</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   yeah,   but   um   but   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   just   saying   it&#39;s   like   it&#39;s   like   it&#39;s   not   like   we   have   not   had   a   conversation.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>4:02</time>
      <p>
          Right,   right,   right.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>4:03</time>
      <p>
          We   we   do   technically   have   a   a   weekly   one   hour   one-on-one   on   our   cat   on   my   calendar,   but   um   between   my   move   and   uh   just   stuff   at   work,   it&#39;s   just   been   so   hectic   the   past   few   few   weeks.   Um   yeah,   yeah,   no.   I   mean   I&#39;m   doing   good.   Um   it&#39;s   just   like   I&#39;m   just   starting   to   get   into   moving   mode.   And   uh   uh   in   the   past,   when   I&#39;ve   moved,   I   think   I&#39;ve   I&#39;ve   always   like   left   a   lot   of   the   things   to   the   last   minute   or   I&#39;ve   been   super   time   constrained.   And   so   as   a   result   of   that,   I&#39;m   like   over   planning   this   move.   Um   like   just   like   as   an   example,   I   my   mom&#39;s   gonna   be   flying   out   for   for   two   weeks   or   so   in   August,   help   me   pack.   Um   and   for   listeners   who   don&#39;t   know,   so   I   I   was   an   only   child   raised   by   a   single   parent   until   uh   my   mom   remarried   when   I   think   I   was   14.   So   we   have   a   we   have   sort   of   like   a   Gilmore   girls-esque   connection.   Um   I&#39;m   just   gonna   leave   that   reference   there   for   anybody   who   can   appreciate   it.   But   so   like   I   I   I   I   told   her,   hey,   can   you   come   out   and   help   me   pack?   Because   I   know   it&#39;s   gonna   be   like   emotional   and   stressful   for   me.   And   uh   so   she&#39;s   coming   out   for   two   weeks   in   August,   and   I&#39;m   starting   to   realize   I   think   that   there   might   not   be   anything   for   her   to   do   by   then   because   I&#39;ve   overplanned   this   move   so   much.   Like,   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   gonna   be   starting   to   pack   next   week.   And   I&#39;m   like,   like   my   strategy   is   I&#39;m   gonna   do   like   a   box   a   day.   Uh,   and   you   know,   then   I&#39;m   gonna   be   in   New   York   for   two   weeks,   so   I   won&#39;t   really   do   any   packing   then.   But   I   think   there&#39;s   a   pretty   good   chance   that   she&#39;s   gonna   show   up   here   and   then   I&#39;m   gonna   mostly   be   done   because   my   my   strategy   has   been   I&#39;m   just   gonna   do   it   a   little   part,   like   little   pieces   at   a   time,   right?   Instead   of   like   doing   all   of   it   in   like,   you   know,   two   weeks   where   I   just   like   take   off   work,   I&#39;m   just   like   doing   it   in   little   chunks   at   a   time.   Like   I&#39;ve   already   gone   and   gotten   rid   of   uh   most   of   the   stuff   that   I&#39;m   not   taking.   Um,   but   it&#39;s   just   you   know,   a   move   just   a   move   like   this   just   consumes   a   lot   of   time.   And   then   there&#39;s   like   there&#39;s   like   a   whole   list   of   like   California   stuff   that   I   feel   I   feel   like   I   gotta   do   before   I   leave   California.   So   uh   Christabella.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>6:14</time>
      <p>
          What   are   we   doing?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>6:14</time>
      <p>
          Well,   Chris   Christabella   and   I   went   to   uh   Lawson   uh   national   park   uh   last   weekend.   It   was   actually   like   funny   timing.   So   my   my   dad   is   uh   is   really   outdoorsy   and   he   got   me   a   national   parks   pass   last   last   year   for   uh   for   like   uh   Hanukkah.   Um   I   think,   or   maybe   it   was   my   no,   I   think   it   was   Hanukkah.   Um   and   so   I   booked   a   bunch   of   uh   trips   to   national   parks   over   the   summer.   Um   twice   two   to   Yosemite,   two   trips   to   Yosemite,   and   then   one   to   Lawson.   And   at   the   time   I   didn&#39;t   know   I   was   moving   to   New   York,   and   I   didn&#39;t   know   that   I   was   gonna   be   selling   my   car,   which   is   my   first   car   and   like   my   my   love   and   joy.   Um   uh   and   uh   so   I&#39;m   really   glad   that   that   like   it   was   just   really   fateful   that   he&#39;d   gotten   me   that   pass   and   then   I&#39;d   booked   those   trips   in   January   because   like   it&#39;s   impossible   to   book   reservations   for   anything   now.   Um   if   I&#39;d   if   I&#39;d   only   like   done   it   now,   I   wouldn&#39;t   have   been   able   to.   And   like   Yosemite,   you   can&#39;t   even   get   in   to   the   park   without   like   a   reservation.   So   yeah,   so   there&#39;s   a   bunch   of   that   stuff,   and   then   um,   you   know,   just   been   just   been   crazy   with   work,   but   uh   but   yeah,   it&#39;s   uh   it&#39;s   starting   to   get   like   real   because   like   I&#39;m   going   out   to   New   York   in   like   a   week   to   go   look   for   places.   So   like   my   uh   my   time   like   I   sort   of   started   feeling   like   six   weeks   ago   that   like   oh   crap,   like   the   move   is   here,   like   my   time   in   California   is   done,   and   now   it&#39;s   all   gonna   go   very   quickly.   Like   from   this   point   forward   until   when   I&#39;m   in   New   York,   like   it&#39;s   just   gonna   be   a   whirlwind.   Um   and   sort   of   like   like   yeah,   like   like   that   I   I   I   have   not   moved   out   of   California   yet,   but   I&#39;m   I&#39;ve   reached   the   stage   where   stuff   is   gonna   happen   quickly   enough   that   um   uh   and   in   all   this   and   all   it&#39;ll   all   be   changed   that   that   I&#39;ve   I&#39;ve   already   effectively   left.   That,   you   know,   because   like   what   when   you&#39;re   in   the   state   where   you&#39;re   like   packing   up   your   apartment,   like   you   still   don&#39;t   live   in   that   state.   You&#39;re   sort   of   in   a   transitionary   period.   Um   and   so   really   like,   you   know,   like   May   was   my   ra   last   real   month   uh   in   California.   Uh   I   mean   to   some   degree   this   this   month,   but   I   was   already   sort   of   in   moving   mode.   Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>8:26</time>
      <p>
          You   excited?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>8:26</time>
      <p>
          And   so   we&#39;re   gonna   Yeah,   I   am   excited.   Yeah,   I   think   it&#39;ll   be   really   fun.   Um   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   really   looking   forward   to   being   closer   to   uh   um   my   grandparents   and   you   know   I   I   have   a   whole   collection   of   friends   that   lives   out   here   in   Silicon   Valley.   A   bunch   of   them   are   moving   to   other   places   too.   Um,   but   uh   one   of   the   nice   things   about   the   uh   the   tech   community   that   we&#39;re   in   is   that   it&#39;s   sort   of   like   a   global   community.   So,   you   know,   anywhere   that   I   move,   any   major   city   that   I   move   to,   I   just   I   instantly   know   that   there&#39;s   gonna   be   a   there&#39;s   gonna   be   some   number   of   people   that   I&#39;m   friendly   with   that   happen   to   live   in   that   city.   Um   like,   you   know,   it   it&#39;s   uh   I   don&#39;t   know,   I   don&#39;t   know   how   far   the   train   is   from   Toronto   to   New   York,   but   like   I   think   it&#39;s   like   you   know,   a   couple   hours   at   most.   What?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>9:13</time>
      <p>
          Um   definitely   maybe   it&#39;s   like   four   hours   from   Toronto   to   Montreal.   Uh   okay.   The   train   is   like,   I   don&#39;t   know,   I   if   we&#39;re   there&#39;s   a   there&#39;s   a   Billy   Bishop   airport   that&#39;s   on   Toronto   Island,   and   it&#39;s   like   uh   it&#39;s   like   a   50-minute   flight,   and   it&#39;s   like   a   hundred   150   bucks,   which   yes,   very   privileged,   but   like   uh   if   I&#39;m   going   to   New   York,   it&#39;s   it&#39;s   via   plane,   it&#39;s   not   uh   okay,   all   right,   all   right.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>9:37</time>
      <p>
          But   but   like   at   least   we&#39;ll   be   in   the   same   time   zone,   and   then   like   you   know,   I   there&#39;s   a   bunch   of   C   people   in   New   York   um   that   I&#39;ll   be   able   to   chill   with.   And   so   yeah,   it&#39;s   just   like   it&#39;s   just   this   nice   thing   that   like   you   know,   the   it   pretty   much   anywhere   I   go   in   the   world,   you   know,   there&#39;s   always   gonna   be   people   that   I   know.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>9:54</time>
      <p>
          Isn&#39;t   like   uh   one   of   the   planned   first   couple   ISO   meetings   gonna   be   in   New   York?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>10:01</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   the   um   the   next   summer   meeting,   um,   you   know,   assuming   that   we   have   face-to-face   meetings.   So   right   now   the   plan   is   that   the   um   2022   winter   meeting,   so   the   2022   meeting   that   would   be   in   February   um   is   planned   to   be   in   Portland.   Um   and   that&#39;s   not   actually   a   rescheduled   meeting.   That   was   like   a   meeting   we   planned   pre-pandemic.   And   it&#39;s   actually   a   a   joint   or   uh   two   co-located   meetings.   The   C   committee   is   supposed   to   meet   a   week   before   that.   So   that   that   meeting   is   the   first   one   that   we   think   might   happen.   And   then   the   New   York   meeting   um   would   be   in   uh   I   think   June   2022.   Um   so   right   now   the   plan   is   like   we&#39;re   assuming   that   those   are   gonna   happen,   but   you   know,   we   really   don&#39;t   know.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>10:50</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   it&#39;s   too   early   to   tell.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>10:52</time>
      <p>
          Uh   it&#39;s   too   early   to   tell,   but   I   I   I   think   it&#39;s   you   know   it&#39;s   looking   good   right   now.   The   thing   that   I   worry   about   now   is   not   um   not   whether   we   can   hold   the   meeting,   it&#39;s   whether   we   can   hold   the   meeting   equitably.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>11:06</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>11:07</time>
      <p>
          Um   you   know,   if   if   you   hold   a   if   you   uh   obviously   it&#39;s   gonna   be   a   hybrid   event.   You   know,   no   matter   how   we   do   it,   it&#39;s   gonna   be   a   hybrid   event.   Uh   prior   to   the   pandemic,   the   um   committee,   the   C   committee   meetings   largely   didn&#39;t   allow   for   remote   attendance.   And   that   didn&#39;t   mean   that   we   forbid   remote   attendance.   Um   you   weren&#39;t   allowed   to   vote   in   plenary   motions   if   you   were   attending   remotely.   But   honestly,   voting   on   on   plenary   motions   is   not   like   really   what   participating   in   the   committee   meeting   is.   You&#39;re   you&#39;re   I   always   say   to   people,   your   voice   is   much   louder   than   your   vote.   Your   your   vote   is   almost   not,   you   know,   it&#39;s   not   something   to   lose   sleep   over.   Um   and   this   is   like   I   I   tell   this   in   particular   to   to   there   are   some   folks   who,   for   a   variety   of   reasons,   don&#39;t   have   voting   rights   in   the   committee.   And   and   you   know,   I   have   to   tell   them   that&#39;s   not   really,   you   know,   super,   super   relevant.   Your   your   votes   in   subgroups,   um,   what   we   call   straw   polls,   those   are   a   little   bit   more   important.   But   again,   even   there,   your   voice   is   just   far   more   important   than   your   vote.   Um,   so   you&#39;re   not   allowed   to   formally   vote   in   the   plenary   motions   if   you   attended   remotely   pre-pandemic.   Um   and   we   we   didn&#39;t   really   have   any   infrastructure   in   in   place   for   allowing   remote   attendance.   There   were   some   people   um   uh   that   had   attended   remotely   for   some   discussions   in   some   special   circumstances,   for   example.   Um   uh   Chris   Kolhoff,   uh,   who   um   lives   in   Australia,   um,   and   uh   uh   uh   for   whom   it   is   difficult   to   travel   um   to   a   committee   meeting,   uh   not   just   because   of   the   time   zones,   but   also   because   of   work.   Um   he&#39;s   not   always   been   able   to,   you   know,   uh   take   the   time   off   of   work   to   go   and   travel   to   a   committee   meeting   for   a   week.   Um   at   it   and   and   I   I   could   be   wrong,   but   I   believe   that   he&#39;s   uh   uh   an   independent   contractor.   So   he   would   not   only   be   taking   a   week   off   of   work,   but   he&#39;d   be   paying   for   it   himself.   Um   and   so   you   can   understand   why   he   might   not   be   um   excited   about   the   idea   of   paying   a   bunch   of   money   to   fly   for   a   week   to   some   location   that&#39;s   very   far   away   from   home   when   there&#39;s   only,   you   know,   one   day   of   things   maybe   that   would   be   of   interest   to   him.   So   I   recall   um   him   calling   into,   you   know,   some   meeting   in   2017   or   2018,   and   I   I   recall   that   happening   like   a   couple   times,   but   it   was   always   like   one   or   two   people,   like   a   special   case.   Um   definitely   the   pandemic   has   changed   that,   and   I   think   definitely   post-pandemic   um   the   committee   meetings   will   be   hybrid.   Um,   and   I   and   I   don&#39;t   think   that   that&#39;s   just   gonna   be   a   temporary   thing.   I   think   I   suspect   that   that   will   be   a   long-term   uh   thing   that   that   you&#39;ll   be   able   to   attend   remotely.   I   don&#39;t   know   about   voting,   but   again,   I   don&#39;t   know   that   voting   is   is   the   important   thing.   Uh   the   important   thing   is   that,   you   know,   like   like   all   those   special   cases   that   we   had   before   the   pandemic,   it   was   always   logistically   complicated.   We   had   to   figure   out,   well,   okay,   do   we   have   the   teleconferencing   equipment   for   like   to   make   this   happen?   Do   we   have   the   you   know   the   webcams   to   make   this   happen?   Do   it   do   we   have   a   way   for   them   to   feel   like   they&#39;re   in   the   room,   to   raise   their   hand,   etc.   I   I   recall   in   one   particular   case   where   somebody   was   listening   remotely,   um,   but   they   didn&#39;t   have   a   way   to   speak   to   the   room.   And   the   way   that   they   they   voiced   their   input   was   they   would   send   a   message   on   IRC   to   Jonathan   Wakely,   and   then   Jonathan   Wakeley   would   relay   what   they   were   saying,   and   then   they   would   hear   the   response   to   it,   and   then   they   would   send   another   message   on   IRC   to   Jonathan   Wakely   with   their   response.   And   just   the   whole   that   whole   setup   was   just   not   very   um   it   it   it   it   didn&#39;t   it   didn&#39;t   express   what   they   were   trying   to   get   across   very   well.   Um   so   I   imagine   that   we&#39;ll   do   better   on   the   infrastructure   there,   you   know,   that   that   will   probably   make   sure   that   we   have   a   teleconferencing   solution   at   whatever   venues   we&#39;re   at.   But   um   I   still   think   that   there&#39;s   a   problem   of   equal   access,   especially   you   know   if   it&#39;s   possible   for   us   to   meet   in   the   US,   but   it&#39;s   not   really   possible   for   a   bunch   of   people   from   outside   the   US   to   attend.   Um,   you   know,   the   C   ⁇   committee   is   supposed   to   be   this   international   effort.   And   so   if   if   the   Portland   meeting   and   the   New   York   meeting   are   gonna   be   held   in   the   so   the   US   obviously   already   has   a   um   an   outsized   influence   on   C   because   um,   you   know,   the   majority   of   committee   members   are   located   in   the   US.   Um   it&#39;s   probably   true   that   the   majority   of   committee   members   are   American   citizens.   Um   uh   the   US   tends   to   have   an   over   um   uh   uh   to   be   very   overrepresented   in   tech   standards.   Would   you   say   it&#39;s   a   majority?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>16:20</time>
      <p>
          It&#39;s   definitely   a   plurality.   Um   is   it   do   you   think   it&#39;s   more   than   50%?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>16:25</time>
      <p>
          Yes,   I   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   almost   certain   that   it   is.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>16:27</time>
      <p>
          Um   I   guess   the   meetings   that   I&#39;ve   been   to   were   all   in   Europe,   so   maybe   that   maybe   that   influences   that   I   I   saw   more   Europeans   because   they   were   held   in   Europe,   but   probably   the   ones   in   the   US   are   less   so.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>16:40</time>
      <p>
          So   the   way   to   do   them   the   way   to   do   the   math   on   this   is   it   um   quite   simple.   The   um   I   I   don&#39;t   even   have   to   log   into   the   to   the   insights   website   and   check   how   many   members   are   on   the   roster   to   to   get   a   sense   for   this.   ISO   limits   um   each   nation   to   a   hundred   delegates   um   for   uh   their   delegation   to   a   particular   working   group.   Um   and   the   US   is   so   far   over   that   limit   that   a   few   years   ago   the   US   national   body   for   the   C   committee   got   together   and   agreed   that   they   would   only   register   one   person   from   each   US   company   as   an   official   representative   because   that   was   the   only   way   to   fit   within   that   hundred   uh   uh   person   limit.   Um   so   the   the   US   delegation   is   definitely   well   over   a   hundred   members.   And   even   at   our   largest   committee   meeting,   we   only   had   you   know   250   or   so   attendees.   Um   uh   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   fairly   certain   that   that   the   US   is   definitely   a   majority   of   of   uh   of   committee   members,   or   that   that   the   majority   of   committee   members   are   US   citizens.   But   anyways,   the   the   so   let&#39;s   say   that   we   have   this   Portland   meeting   and   that   like   let&#39;s   just   assume   that   um   pretty   much   only   the   US   based   folks   are   able   to   attend   that   meeting.   And   of   course   there   are   some   people   in   the   U   there   are   some   people   who   are   member   who   are   not   US   citizens   or   who   have   dual   citizenship   um   but   live   in   the   US   and   so   they   represent   other   countries   or   other   regions   on   the   committee.   Um   uh   and   so   maybe   they   could   attend,   but   still   basically   you&#39;d   have   a   situation   where   all   the   US   folks   would   be   at   the   face-to-face   meeting   and   all   the   non-US   folks   would   have   to   attend   that   meeting   remotely   um,   you   know,   via   telecon.   And   because   the   meeting&#39;s   a   hybrid   meeting,   you   don&#39;t   really   have   the   luxury   of   picking   time   zones   that   are   you   know   friendly   to   the   rest   of   the   world.   ISO&#39;s   general   guidance   for   meetings   now   is   to   um   to   pick   a   rotating   time   slot.   So   they   they   identified   three   time   slots   that   are   good   for   different   regions   of   the   world,   and   their   advice   is   basically   for   each   for   each   meeting   or   you   know,   each   day   of   your   meeting,   pick   one   of   these   time   slots,   and   you   know,   for   some   for   any   one   person,   some   of   these   slots   are   gonna   suck.   But   the   idea   is   that   by   by   um   rotating   through   the   slots,   you   know,   some   people   there   will   be   some   slots   that   are   good   for   some   people.   Um   But   I   can   just   imagine   that   that   it&#39;ll   be   pro   problematic   to   ensure   that   um   that   we   really   that   we   can   hold   these   hybrid   meetings   in   a   way   that   um   is   fair   for   all   the   participants,   regardless   of   what   country   they&#39;re   living   in.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>19:42</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   I   guess   time   will   tell   to   see   how   it   unfolds.   One,   if   it   even   happens,   and   two   how   it&#39;s   executed.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>19:49</time>
      <p>
          And   I   I   am   I   am   proud   of   the   ways   in   which   the   C   committee   has   been   able   to   evolve   during   the   pandemic.   Um   I   think   many   people   who   know   me   know   that   I   believe   um   I   you   know   I&#39;m   I&#39;m   very   much   a   logistics   and   process   guy.   Um   and   so   I   I   I   very   much   believe   that   the   C   committee   needs   to   modernize   how   we   evolve   C.   Um,   you   know,   a   lot   of   our   infrastructure   is   somewhat   outdated,   our   our   model   is   somewhat   outdated,   it   should   be   more   open.   Um   uh   it   should   look   more   like   how   uh   newer   standards,   like   some   of   the   web   standards   are   developed.   Um   uh   and   we&#39;ve   taken   great   strides,   you   know,   during   the   pandemic   to   modernizing   our   process.   You   know,   we&#39;ve   we&#39;ve   done   all   of   our   evolution   for   the   past   year   on   telecons   um   and   on   mailing   list   reviews,   and   you   know,   we   do   a   lot   more   of   our   evolution   on   GitHub.   Um,   but   I   still   don&#39;t   think   we&#39;ve   we&#39;ve   really   come   far   enough.   I   still   don&#39;t   think   that   our   evolution   process   really   um   mirrors   what   the   best   practice   is.   You   know,   we   we   there&#39;s   a   big   gap   between   how   C   ⁇   is   evolved   and   how   a   language   like   Rust   has   evolved,   where   you   know   pretty   much   all   the   Rust   evolution   happens,   you   know,   online   on   their   forums.   Um   and   the   thing   that   saddens   me   a   little   bit   is   that   we&#39;re   still   a   long   way   away   from   where   I   think   we   need   to   be.   And   even   this   even   these   sort   of   strides   that   we&#39;ve   made   in   the   last   year,   um   they&#39;ve   made   it   clear   that   it&#39;s   gonna   take   a   longer   time   to   change   the   culture   than   we   might   like   because   the   participation   level   just   has   not   been   the   same   in   the   past   year.   And   we   just   we   have   not   had   the   same   bandwidth   even   with   doing   these   telecons   and   even   with   doing   reviews   on   things   like,   you   know,   over   email,   we&#39;re   just   not   getting   the   same   bandwidth   and   engagement.   So   as   much   as   I   hate   to   admit   it,   we   really   need   these   face   to   face   committee   meetings   next   year   to   be   able   to   Really   finish   C23.   And   the   reason   that   we   need   them   is   because   as   much   as   I   hate   to   admit   it,   we&#39;re   just   not   getting   enough   work   done   through   the   the   purely   virtual   process.   And   I   mean   I   think   we&#39;re   getting   better   at   the   virtual   process,   and   I   think   a   lot   of   the   the   innovations   that   we&#39;ve   made   will   continue,   but   there&#39;s   there&#39;s   still   a   long   way   to   go.   And   I   think   that   the   problem   is   not   actually   in   the   technical   details   or   the   process   itself.   I   think   it&#39;s   in   the   culture.   And   it&#39;s   really   hard   to   change   culture.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>22:39</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   that&#39;s   for   sure.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>22:40</time>
      <p>
          So   what   about   you?   How   have   you   been?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>22:43</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   good.   I   booked   my   haircut   while   waiting   for   you   to   show   up.   Uh   on   the   on   the   first   day   it&#39;s   possible   to   get   a   haircut,   because   we   we   both   do   need   haircuts.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>22:54</time>
      <p>
          I&#39;m   not   cutting   my   hair,   which   is   now   pretty   long   and   curly,   until   at   until   at   least   until   I   move   to   New   York,   and   I   might   keep   it   for   a   while   there.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>23:01</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   you&#39;re   you&#39;re   I   yours   looks   good.   I   like   I   like   the   look   on   you.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>23:05</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.   Yeah,   and   it   and   it   uh   I   mean   I   I   now   pretty   much   always   have   to   have   it   with   a   headband   up   and   uh   a   hair   scrunchie   in.   Um   I   have   a   newfound   appreciation   for   people   with   long   hair.   Um,   but   my   my   mom&#39;s   hairstylist   has   curly   hair   too,   and   so   she   prescribed   a   whole   regime   for   me.   And   so   my   bathroom,   I   have   like   $300   of   like   five   different   hair   products   that   I   put   in   my   hair   to   Is   it   reg   is   it   regime   or   is   it   regimen?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>23:36</time>
      <p>
          I   feel   like   regime   is   like   a   regimen,   I   think.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>23:39</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   yeah,   I   think   regimen.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>23:40</time>
      <p>
          Regime   is   like   a   political   uh   I   think   you&#39;re   right.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>23:46</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   you   know   I&#39;m   bad   at   words.   But   but   you   know,   I   have   I   have   really   thick   curly   hair,   and   for   many   years   for   many   years,   and   I   I   blame   I   blame   my   mother   for   this.   For   many   years,   um   uh   I   was   taught   and   trained   to   fight   the   curliness   of   my   hair.   You   know,   to   try   to   keep   it   short,   try   to   make   it,   you   know,   nice   and   straight,   get   it   in   a   comb   over.   And   it&#39;s   only   been   as   an   adult   that   I&#39;ve   realized   that   my   hair   looks   just   fine   if   it&#39;s   curly   and   like   properly   maintained,   and   that   is   just   like   a   better   life   to   live   than   trying   to   make   this   incredibly   curly   hair   do   anything   else.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>24:25</time>
      <p>
          Yep.   I   like   it.   To   stick   with   it.   Mine,   I   it   just   it&#39;s   getting   in   the   way.   I&#39;ve   been   running   lots.   Oh,   yeah,   I&#39;m   about   to   break   uh   my   my   monthly   running   record.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>24:35</time>
      <p>
          Oh,   congrats.   Oh,   how   what&#39;s   your   monthly   running   record?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>24:38</time>
      <p>
          I   think   last   summer   I   ran   454   kilometers   one   month.   Right   now   I&#39;m   at   436,   and   there&#39;s   like   what   five   days   left?   Four   days   left.   Oh   yeah.   Also,   too.   Should   we   say   something   about   Pride   Month?   I   realized   when   we   caught   we   we   recorded   the   Patricia   Chandler   three   hour   mega   episode,   which   turned   into   you   know   four   episodes.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>25:00</time>
      <p>
          And   then   how   are   you   what   how   are   you   how   are   you   running   that   much?   Because   I&#39;m   not   even   biking   that   much.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>25:07</time>
      <p>
          Oh   no,   I   guess   I   am.   Uh   people   people   are   always   like,   oh,   you   must   have   no   free   time   for   anything.   And   400   kilometers   a   month   over   30   days   is   13k   a   day,   which   I   can   run   in   60   minutes.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>25:20</time>
      <p>
          Um   Yeah,   okay.   I   guess   like   like   like   this   this   week   I   did   120   kilometers.   Last   week,   because   I   was   hiking   in   Lawson,   I   did   84.   The   week   before   I   did   135.   Before   that,   I   did   142.   So   I&#39;m   like   averaging   like   120   a   week.   Okay,   yeah,   so   yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>25:38</time>
      <p>
          If   you   if   you   basically   run   every   day,   which   I   usually   take   like   one   or   two   days   off   a   month.   And   that&#39;s   the   thing,   is   like   that   doesn&#39;t   mean   I&#39;m   running   cr   crazy   hard   every   day.   Like   I   don&#39;t   really   do   tempo   days.   I   I   run   either   like   a   decent   pace   or   I   take   it   easy.   So   like   my   my   easy   days   are   like   my   break   days.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>25:57</time>
      <p>
          Um   I   I   I   used   I   used   to   do   I   used   to   do   a   longer   ride   on   Saturdays   and   then   a   shorter   ride   on   um   most   of   the   weekdays.   And   then   well   the   uh   so   I   don&#39;t   bike   every   day.   I   have   two   days   a   week   that   I   do   yoga   with   my   mom.   Um   uh   like   I   do   make   I   do   exercise   every   I   guess   that&#39;s   the   difference   between   us.   You&#39;re   this   is   you   do   it   every   day   basically.   I   have   two   days   a   week,   I   do   something   else.   But   um   now   I   just   do   the   same   route   every   day.   Um   uh   well   and   and   some   days   I   do   like   an   extra   three   kilometers,   like   my   the   route   is   like   25   kilometers   if   I   do   it   exactly,   but   some   days   I&#39;ll   do   an   extra   like   three   to   five.   Um   and   I&#39;ve   I   used   to   go   to   two   different   bike   trails,   but   now   I   just   I   just   go   to   one   just   because   it&#39;s   like   um   I   don&#39;t   know,   it&#39;s   like   flatter   and   more   consistent   and   like   closer.   And   I   used   to   bike   to   the   bike   trail,   but   uh   it&#39;s   just   like   it&#39;s   just   like   more   time   efficient   for   me   to   drive   there   and   then   get   in   a   longer,   higher   intensity   workout.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>27:02</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.   Anyways,   yeah,   so   just   running   lots.   But   are   we   supposed   to   happy   Pride   Month?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>27:07</time>
      <p>
          I   just   figured   Yeah,   we   should   definitely   say   something   about   Pride   Month.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>27:09</time>
      <p>
          What   should   we   say?
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>27:10</time>
      <p>
          Uh   Happy   Pride   Month.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>27:13</time>
      <p>
          Um   two   white   guys   who   consider   themselves   allies.   Figure   out   what   to   say   at   the   end   of   Pride   Month.   And   this   won&#39;t   even   come   out   in   Pride   Month,   this&#39;ll   come   out   post   Pride   Month.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>27:23</time>
      <p>
          Yeah,   let&#39;s   see.   What   should   we   say?   What   do   we   say?
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>27:26</time>
      <p>
          To   all   our   uh   LGBTQA   plus   listeners.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>27:33</time>
      <p>
          Oh,   hang   on,   you&#39;re   breaking   up   for   me.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>27:35</time>
      <p>
          No,   I   didn&#39;t   break   up.   I   just   I   just   stopped   talking.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>27:38</time>
      <p>
          Yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>27:41</time>
      <p>
          That   was   the   start   of   saying   something.   Oh   man,   this   this   podcast   is   gonna   be   uh   uh   just   a   mess   to   edit.   Um   yeah.
      </p>

        <cite>Bryce</cite>
      <time>27:53</time>
      <p>
          Happy   Pride   Month.
      </p>

        <cite>Conor</cite>
      <time>27:54</time>
      <p>
          Happy   Pride   Month.   All   right,   I&#39;ll   cut   this   up   real   nice.   Thanks   for   listening.   We   hope   you   enjoyed.   Happy   belated   pride   month,   and   have   a   great   day.
      </p>