Nessi Gomes and Lino Hermesh, romantic and business partners, created Vocal Odyssey, a workshop designed to help people meet the spirit of their voice. After recently participating in their workshop, Rohini shares with listeners about her experience and invites Nessi and Lino to talk about the healing power of their work.
From a young age, Nessi discovered the ability to heal and navigate her emotions by exploring sound. She now shares the therapeutic value of sonic expression along with her professional performances. Initially, Lino sought to manage Nessi's musical career, but following some skepticism, he joined her efforts in creating these workshops. He pursued his own training and now co-facilitates the workshops. He sees how powerful group settings are for creating new connections, both physically and spiritually. He sees the workshops as a bridge to something far larger than ourselves.
For Rohini, allowing herself to be with the vulnerability of using her voice, in a group setting, was healing and connected her to a deep sense of aliveness and playfulness she hadn't realized was dormant. The voice is a portal to our own individual truth and also to what is universal that lies within us all.
This episode explores:
Show Notes
Vocal Odyssey: Meet the spirit of your voice
Nessi Gomes' music
Nessi Gomes is a musician, group facilitator, and certified Holistic Voice Therapist with The British Academy of Sound Therapy in Group Voice Therapy. In the past four years, Nessi has shared her music and voice retreats in 25 countries. In October 2016 she released her debut album ‘Diamonds & Demons’ and received Best of British Unsigned female artist for that year. Learn more about Nessi.
Lino Hermesh is co-founder, with Nessi, of Vocal Odyssey. He is A Certified Voice Practitioner (The British Academy of Sound Therapy, UK) and holds a Diploma in Relational Mindfulness/Core Process Psychotherapy. In PachaMacha, Costa Rica he met Nessi. A meeting that changed their lives and took them both on a musical voyage of creativity and self-growth through 30 countries in which they shared their work in the past 6 years. Learn more about Lino.
Angus & Rohini Ross are “The Rewilders.” They love working with couples and helping them to reduce conflict and discord in their relationships. They co-facilitate individualized couples' intensives that rewild relationships back to their natural state of love. Rohini is the author of the ebook Marriage, and they are co-founders of The 29-Day Rewilding Experience and The Rewilding Community. You can also follow Angus and Rohini Ross on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. To learn more about their work visit: therewilders.org. Read Rohini's latest blog.
Episode 38 features the music of RhythmPharm with Los Angeles-based composer Greg Ellis.
Nessi Gomes and Lino Hermesh, romantic and business partners, created Vocal Odyssey, a workshop designed to help people meet the spirit of their voice. After recently participating in their workshop, Rohini shares with listeners about her experience and invites Nessi and Lino to talk about the healing power of their work.
From a young age, Nessi discovered the ability to heal and navigate her emotions by exploring sound. She now shares the therapeutic value of sonic expression along with her professional performances. Initially, Lino sought to manage Nessi's musical career, but following some skepticism, he joined her efforts in creating these workshops. He pursued his own training and now co-facilitates the workshops. He sees how powerful group settings are for creating new connections, both physically and spiritually. He sees the workshops as a bridge to something far larger than ourselves.
For Rohini, allowing herself to be with the vulnerability of using her voice, in a group setting, was healing and connected her to a deep sense of aliveness and playfulness she hadn't realized was dormant. The voice is a portal to our own individual truth and also to what is universal that lies within us all.
This episode explores:
Show Notes
Vocal Odyssey: Meet the spirit of your voice
Nessi Gomes' music
Nessi Gomes is a musician, group facilitator, and certified Holistic Voice Therapist with The British Academy of Sound Therapy in Group Voice Therapy. In the past four years, Nessi has shared her music and voice retreats in 25 countries. In October 2016 she released her debut album ‘Diamonds & Demons’ and received Best of British Unsigned female artist for that year. Learn more about Nessi.
Lino Hermesh is co-founder, with Nessi, of Vocal Odyssey. He is A Certified Voice Practitioner (The British Academy of Sound Therapy, UK) and holds a Diploma in Relational Mindfulness/Core Process Psychotherapy. In PachaMacha, Costa Rica he met Nessi. A meeting that changed their lives and took them both on a musical voyage of creativity and self-growth through 30 countries in which they shared their work in the past 6 years. Learn more about Lino.
Angus & Rohini Ross are “The Rewilders.” They love working with couples and helping them to reduce conflict and discord in their relationships. They co-facilitate individualized couples' intensives that rewild relationships back to their natural state of love. Rohini is the author of the ebook Marriage, and they are co-founders of The 29-Day Rewilding Experience and The Rewilding Community. You can also follow Angus and Rohini Ross on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. To learn more about their work visit: therewilders.org. Read Rohini's latest blog.
Episode 38 features the music of RhythmPharm with Los Angeles-based composer Greg Ellis.
Angus Ross (5s):
Welcome to Rewilding Love. This season is with a couple on the brink of divorce.
Rohini Ross (12s):
This is episode number 38, an interview with Nessi Gomes and Lino Hermesh.
Nessi Gomes (19s):
Had no technical skills or awareness of how to use my voice. But what I remember is how it made me feel
Lino Hermesh (26s):
When Nessi came to my life, it's naturally kind of ignited in both of us a process of kind of self with also mutual exploration.
Nessi Gomes (36s):
That journey started many years ago. And that then opened up this whole world of music therapy.
Angus Ross (44s):
I love that you use that term Sonic medicine and it's, self-esteem is what you've created. It sounds beautiful.
Nessi Gomes (50s):
I don't know where my voice wants to go, but it's pulling me into a direction,
Rohini Ross (55s):
Whatever ways we use as humans to come into the present moment and to have room for all of us in our experience.
Nessi Gomes (1m 2s):
It's not just listening with your ears, but really feeling your whole body and giving the space for people to connect to that voice because we can learn so much about our expression.
Angus Ross (1m 14s):
It's doing something that is natural, kind of giving voice to a feeling that allows you to become so much more in tune with your own psychology around that feeling.
Lino Hermesh (1m 24s):
That's how you break his spirit. This is like the ultimate punishment
Nessi Gomes (1m 28s):
Sometimes not knowing is best.
Angus Ross (1m 32s):
You are listening to Rewilding Love with me, Angus Ross
Rohini Ross (1m 37s):
and me, Rohini Ross.
Angus Ross (1m 38s):
Rewilding love is a podcast about relationships.
Rohini Ross (1m 42s):
We believe that love never disappears completely in relationships it can always be rewilded.
Angus Ross (1m 49s):
Listen in, as we speak with our guests about how they share the understanding behind the rewilding metaphor in their work
Rohini Ross (1m 56s):
and how it has helped them in their relationships.
Angus Ross (1m 59s):
Relax and enjoy the show.
Rohini Ross (2m 14s):
Before we get into this episode, I wanted to remind our listeners that my free 10 day workshop series for rewilding feminine pleasure starts this Friday, July 30th. So if you'd like to learn more about that series, you can go to our website, therewilders.org and look under programs. And it's a series of live workshops where we're going to be exploring healing and awakening through pleasure. Each workshop has a different theme, and there's going to be a couple of surprise guests. There's also a raffle where five people will be chosen to have coaching sessions with me. These sessions will be recorded and shared as part of the program. So if you'd like to learn more head on over to our website and I'd love to have you join me.
Rohini Ross (2m 59s):
Well, that was a real treat for me to be able to spend time with Lino and Nessi after doing the workshop with them a few weeks ago.
Angus Ross (3m 6s):
Yes. It's a very mysterious workshop that I didn't really understand what was going on at the time, but now I feel like I'm in the know a little bit more.
Rohini Ross (3m 15s):
Yeah, I was very impacted by it.
Angus Ross (3m 17s):
Yeah. I kind of feel like I want to do it now. Yes.
Rohini Ross (3m 20s):
There's one coming up in September, although it might just be for women.
Angus Ross (3m 24s):
Oh really? yeah. I guess there was a part of me. I think I was another crazy workshop that my wife is doing. And now I kind of feel kind of jealous.
Rohini Ross (3m 32s):
I didn't even ask you if you wanted to do it.
Angus Ross (3m 37s):
Those usually that's the kind of workshop where I think, well, if she's not even asking me to do it, it must be pretty damn crazy.
Rohini Ross (3m 45s):
I've stopped asking you to do workshops a long time ago. Lino and Nessi are a couple that work together like us.
Angus Ross (3m 54s):
Yes. Another couple working together. It was, it was nice to observe them in action.
Rohini Ross (3m 60s):
Yes. And having that re romantic relationship and business relationship definitely forced me to grow and learn more in order to make that work in our relationship.
Angus Ross (4m 12s):
That's quite cool. A learning curve to say the least yes, but a good learning. Yeah, absolutely.
Rohini Ross (4m 19s):
And in addition to working together, they not only just worked together, but they traveled the world together. They've taken the vocal Odyssey workshop to over 30 countries, really bringing this kind of healing and awakening through the use of voice in so many different ways.
Angus Ross (4m 34s):
Yeah. Traveling together, really pushing the envelope,
Rohini Ross (4m 37s):
They're kicking it up a notch, sustainability.
Angus Ross (4m 41s):
You're doing an amazing job for sure. We spoke to them and they were on the island of Guernsey, a channel island in the English channel, which they, when we say English channel is, I think it's really close to France. Always confused me. Why that wouldn't be part of the French territory. I want to think it's one of those islands that the British never felt like they would want to relinquish to the French. For whatever reason. I had a friend from school who came from Guernsey. It sounds like a wonderful place
Rohini Ross (5m 10s):
That also explains and why it was so important during the second world war that the British held onto that island.
Angus Ross (5m 15s):
I don't know if they do. And actually I think the Germans might have occupied it for awhile. Oh, I'm not so sure.
Rohini Ross (5m 22s):
There's a book. I think about that. I can't remember the name of it. Something about a potato society.
Angus Ross (5m 33s):
Sure. I read it. I just say to our society, we got to really look that up. Funny. If it's something else it's something completely different. Like I don't know, artichoke world or something.
Rohini Ross (5m 46s):
I think it's got potato in the title.
Angus Ross (5m 49s):
Okay. Well anyway, so we'll we'll we spoke to them while they were on gut and see, I don't know. I think that's not their regular living quarters, but it was, it was nice to imagine what it would be like to live there anyway. So it turns out that Nessi grew up on the island of Guernsey and in that experience, and I think the trials and tribulations of growing up an emotional outlet for her was, was her voice and, and music. And I think that that began a journey for her to really see and understand the therapeutic value of sound as a healing modality, and as developed this really wonderful approach, which was a reason to get together with a wonderful partner Lino and the work that they have been done has just been really was born out of that experience in her youth.
Angus Ross (6m 49s):
Yeah.
Rohini Ross (6m 49s):
And also I want to add that not only is ne Lino and Nessi working together in this therapeutic capacity, Nessi is also an accomplished musician herself and has music out there. And she's, they've allowed us to use excerpts from a couple of her songs in
Angus Ross (7m 6s):
Our podcast. That's lovely, isn't it? And, and Lino, born and raised in Israel has had obviously a very interesting life, which we'll hear more about when we play, you know, when you listened to the podcast, he's the co-founder of vocal Odyssey and he studied and trained with some of the finest improvisation and sons' circle teachers in the world, including Bobby McFerrin, Albert Hara, Rhiannon, Jamo, Rosen, toddler, and many more
Rohini Ross (7m 38s):
Well done. Angus Bravo.
Angus Ross (7m 39s):
I think I got the pronunciation rights
Rohini Ross (7m 43s):
That I don't know. I don't think I did. Okay. Well, we'll probably get feedback if you didn't, all of that. Steadying has allowed them to create an amazing experience that is such a creative way to access that authentic expression within ourselves. I really felt myself dropping into a more vulnerable, open, authentic space within myself. And it's really vulnerable to sing in front of people or even singing isn't the right word, like to vocalize in front of people.
Angus Ross (8m 24s):
Yeah. There's something fascinating for me in this because when I was listening to them talk about what they do and the, and the fact that that singing really is kind of tuning into an authentic feeling and expressing that feeling. I think about how, at times we're kind of so clumsy with the words that we use. And I think that for us in the work that we do, it's perhaps really important to focus on the feeling and not get so caught up in what's being said. So I like this idea of really expressing a feeling that sounds from what they're saying is getting beyond the analytical machinery and allows us to really kind of line up with that feeling and find a resonance with that feeling and express ourselves from there.
Angus Ross (9m 6s):
I can see the catharsis in that.
Rohini Ross (9m 9s):
Yeah. And it's really not about, like you're saying, focusing on the intellect or even sounding good is I, and I think they use the word vocalizing rather than singing because a lot of it was just sounds not even words and yet you're right. The feeling is coming through, even though there aren't any words associated with the expression.
Angus Ross (9m 31s):
Yeah. And I think on a cathartic level, so much of this work is encouraging the client to come into resonance with whatever feeling is coming up, whether it's grief, anger, or, or, or something of a more positive nature. It's kind of like, this feels like a way if there ever were a technique that we could fully embrace, that would be helpful. This would be it. Cause I think that that's, that's finding a direct line to that feeling and getting beyond the, the noise of our analytical mind. I find it really inspiring listening to them.
Rohini Ross (10m 7s):
Yeah. It's very freeing. And, and for me, I, like I said, in the episode, I didn't realize how much thinking I had in terms of self evaluation about how I sounded, if I'm not talking, like it's hard for me to listen to myself, speak as well. But I'm thinking about trying to put, I don't know, music's the right word, but trying to express in, in that way, like that was kind of beyond the pale for me in the experience of the workshop, I had to express myself in a musical way.
Rohini Ross (10m 48s):
Like that was hard for me to do. I didn't realize how much repression I had around that.
Angus Ross (10m 54s):
Well, kudos for you for really being willing to come out of your comfort zone. That's always a growing edge. I never considered it to be such a growing edge. I always shied away from anything that felt uncomfortable. Anything like that, or improv improv is scared the living daylights out of me. But I now see that that's just me coming up against my growing edge and I see it as a growing edge. And there's always so much value there.
Rohini Ross (11m 21s):
Yeah. That's the way of looking at it. It's musical
Angus Ross (11m 24s):
Improv. It's like kick it up a notch. I know that's kind of how I was. I was framing it in a way that I can understand.
Rohini Ross (11m 31s):
Yeah. Or we get into the episode. Why don't we listen to an excerpt ethnicities music and then we'll get into the wonderful Thank you so much for joining us on fairly short notice and fitting this in.
Rohini Ross (13m 29s):
We're really grateful that we can have this conversation with you before you take some time off, which I'm sure is well-deserved yes. Welcome.
Angus Ross (13m 37s):
Thank you so much for joining us. I can't wait to hear what you have to say.
Rohini Ross (13m 41s):
And so this is Angus's first meeting with Nessi and Lino, and I'm the one that participated in your vocal Odyssey workshop a couple of weeks ago. And I reached out immediately afterwards because I was so impacted by my experience with you and what well there's, I'll share a little bit of backstory. So, you know, because you don't know this part of it, but Angus has teased me throughout our relationship about being tone deaf and, and he was meaning it in a very lighthearted, you know, very British English way, maybe the teasing, but I took it on some level quite personally and realized that I just stopped even experimenting or exploring my voice and that I, and I'm not blaming him.
Rohini Ross (14m 31s):
I'm sure there was conditioning in there already that connected with what he was saying, but I didn't realize how that is such a vulnerable, profound, playful, fun part of myself that I really hadn't been exploring. And it was a friend of mine or a friend of who took one of your other workshops and said, well, honey, I kept thinking about you when I was doing it. And so I went and looked and I just signed up right away. And it has really opened up a deeper connection with myself through just that one weekend. And, and Angus was saying just as we were, you know, having our little preamble before we started recording that I've been going around the house humming and singing and you haven't been complaining, which I think is
Angus Ross (15m 22s):
Awesome. I'm kind of somewhat dismayed at this friend of yours who suggested that you should do this workshop. I'm worried that you might've painted this picture of me being the great British oppressor. And I feel rather guilty now that I had that effect on you. But I asked you to, I will say that, that I was pleasant. I have been pleasantly surprised by the harmony harmonics that if that's the right word to use, that Rohini has managed to establish with her vocal chords of blades. And it's not about that. I know. Well, I don't know what it's about. So I, I have noticed that you've been wandering, wandering around the house humming and singing, which, which I've actually really enjoyed.
Rohini Ross (16m 10s):
Yeah. And, and in terms of our work with the rewilding, we really focus on supporting people, connecting with themselves and getting back to that natural state of who they are as much as they can before all of the conditioning that we take on. And what we see in our work with couples is that when couples are experiencing issues in their relationship, it's usually a reflection of them not being connected with their loving nature and their loving essence. And then that gets projected into the relationship and shows up in the relationship dynamics, but we don't teach techniques and strategies about how to deal with communication.
Rohini Ross (16m 51s):
We really start with a foundation of connecting with self connecting with our loving essence, and then seeing what emerges from there. And we're really clear that we don't have the answers, but when people connect with that place inside of themselves, that's when the magic happens. And so that was my experience in your workshop was having a beautiful connection and deeper connection with myself and just feeling the liveliness that came from that. And so Angus doesn't know anything about it. So we would love to have you share more about how you came to creating the vocal Odyssey and what your, each of your journeys has been related to using sound, a music and a therapeutic capacity.
Rohini Ross (17m 36s):
We'd just love to hear your story and start there if that's okay with you.
Nessi Gomes (17m 41s):
Yeah, definitely. I'll thank you so much for sharing about your journey with those. So touching to hear, and I guess like the vocal Odyssey, you know, for, for me, at least it started in a way many, many years ago before we actually established this, this kind of platform for me personally, you know, in my younger years, I struggled a lot, you know, with mental health, I was, I grew up on a very small item Guernsey, which is very beautiful, but back in the eighties, it was, I just remember it being quite a challenging time and place to grow up and coming from a Portuguese family and feeling very different, even though I was born here, I always felt like an outsider.
Nessi Gomes (18m 31s):
Racism was pretty, you know, prevalent at the time. And, and also the, the addition of that growing up within a Portuguese environment, family environment, you know, I noticed from a young age that there were different rules for, for women and men seeing my brother, I have a lot more freedom, whereas I was a lot more kind of, there was a lot more protection around me. In addition also, you know, growing up in a family where we didn't speak about our problems or issues or struggles, everything was very much swept under the carpet.
Nessi Gomes (19m 13s):
So that whole combination for me, just created quite challenging environment. And, you know, from probably the age of 11, I started to feel very, you know, just very disconnected and dealing a lot with depression. I was self-harming, you know, and it was kind of by, I don't know, it wasn't like, oh, I'm going to start singing because I think this is going to be really good for me. It was very intuitive. And at the time of, in probably 14, 15, I started to kind of write a lot of poetry. And my auntie had a piano at her at her house, which is actually here now.
Nessi Gomes (19m 57s):
And I used to find myself kind of making little melodies on the piano and, and finding myself kind of improvising vocally. I had no technical skills or awareness of how to use my voice, but what I remember is how it made me feel. And I felt like this really contributed hugely to my healing journey because at the age of kind of 15, 16, I actually tried to take my life. And thankfully it didn't manifests. It didn't happen. But singing for me was a really powerful and important way for me to move forward. So in a way that journey started many years ago, and that then opened up this whole world of music therapy, which I trained in some years later in the UK.
Nessi Gomes (20m 50s):
And then later on voice therapy, as well as kind of developing my own musicianship. And yeah, I guess we met some 10 years ago in Pachamama and Costa Rico where Lino is living for 13 years and I was living for three years. And, and that in itself kind of, you know, it was, you know, collecting more kind of inspiration of how to be with the work. It was only really until we left Costa Rica that I, I kind of had this inspiration to actually create these kind of workshops for people to explore their voice, because I feel like it's a birthright.
Nessi Gomes (21m 38s):
It's something that we all have access to. But so many of us have, maybe we haven't been given the tools or we've been told from a young age that, you know, you're not, you know, you can't sing or those kinds of beliefs get implanted into us. And I just failed because of my own journey and how much it gave me and the fact that I wasn't a good singer when I started, but the incredible benefits that I received from, from using my voice and moving through really dense, you know, energy from within, and seeing the magic that happens when we, we can kind of channel this, these emotions that sometimes words don't manage to do.
Nessi Gomes (22m 24s):
And, you know, in those earlier years, I was, you know, having counseling and, you know, talking therapy. And often I found at the end of the sessions, all these emotions will come up from just going over that whole narrative and what I was passing through and for it, nowhere to go really. So that's my kind of par that's, I guess that's my journey. And, and yeah, me, Lena and myself, we kind of brought it together, I guess. I'll let you share your granny with that as well. Yeah.
Lino Hermesh (22m 57s):
Yeah. I mean, for me it started like, eh, you know, more kind of like I'm here because of my wife, you know, I was, you know, just, just like your, your wife takes you to a theater and you're just sitting there in theater and everything. But I mean, we, we met there in Costa Rica and everything, and, and I was, I was for many years there in this community, which was like a, sort of a living experiment that pressure cooker of, of an internal work. So it was a lot to do with long silence retreats and meditation and therapy.
Lino Hermesh (23m 39s):
And the work with the medicine. It was, it was like a decade of my life where I was really up every stone and really, you know, spending proper times in the gutter, figuring out what the hell is going on. And, and, and I guess it would ask me, what do you want to do in life? Or what is your story or everything? It was, I was, you know, it was, it was pretty hard for me to define. And when Nestle came to my life, it's naturally kind of ignited in both of us, a process of, of kind of self, but also mutual exploration.
Lino Hermesh (24m 22s):
And in the beginning it was, it was kind of like, you know what, let's go on the road, I'm going to be a manager and we're gonna, we're gonna, we're going to do something with this music, with this incredible voice. Cause I was blown away and, and, and I had this at one point, I had this kind of a vision that we need to go on the road and, and, and we need to do something with this. And then she came with the old idea of, of the groups and I was kind of, you know, I was not sure about it and everything. And I had my opinions about it. And slowly, slowly, I find myself more drawn into it. I think in the first group we did, you know, my job was to be on the iPod and, and press play or stuff like that, or make sure that, you know, the tissues around or something.
Lino Hermesh (25m 11s):
And, and slowly, slowly, I found myself because I was all of my life. I was, I was this kind of a classic repressed singer, but I also, with Nessi, I learned a lot through our past together or of like, I came close to that. And suddenly I found myself like going and properly studying it and going to school, you know, voice therapy and hunting the best teachers in the world and crossing the oceans on and on to really meet those big masters. Cause I, I somehow find also found also my way in that in a way that the nurses' approach to voice is very different than mine.
Lino Hermesh (25m 54s):
She's really coming from this, you know, the, these places in our life or the voice was the, the, the light at the end of the tunnel that, that she was, she was clinic clinging to. And, and for me, it's, it's often related to what I explored and experience many times and often in big circles, the ability to be around other people and, and without talking or knowing them, or how to truly, to truly embody this miracle of using your voice and see how it melts all judgments and ideas and definitions. And, and you just become part of something which is bigger than you.
Lino Hermesh (26m 36s):
And this is what I often try to offering the group in the groups that we do are, are dynamics is very different. Nessi has this, you know, really kind of depths and, and, you know, kind of, you know, like, like in a song or something like hanging onto dear life, you know, and, and for me, it's, it's just, it's, it's just a field to explore playfulness and humor and sense of communion. And especially when we do this work physically naturally online, there is the limitation, you know, but in a way we, we grew in a different way that kind of embrace as one another.
Lino Hermesh (27m 20s):
So, so when we do this work, I often say, and Nestle not necessarily disagree, but not necessarily a grease because, because for her, the voice is really the center of life. For me, it is often, it is like an enzyme, a channel, a bridge to, to something which is, it is really big, is really has a huge potential in him. And just making us better people, you know, first, like you said, first and foremost for ourselves, like when I sing, I know I'm just, I'm just a nicer human being to be around. And when we sing together or in a group or something, we don't fight so much, you know, we are just because it has this ability, 2, 2, 2 renew things to create new connections, neurologically, physically heartbeat, breath, everything, it's incorporate all these elements that are usually, they're just running on their own kind of automatic pilot, which is often so, you know, kind of erotic, traumatized, you know, aroused, you know, and, and somehow communicate with those parts of us and, and create this.
Lino Hermesh (28m 37s):
Maybe create a closer meeting between all that is conscious and unconscious and bring them together in a way that suddenly we feel it. If we can put it in one word, we feel safe, we feel okay where we are. We can, we can let go of all this, you know, kind of, you know, smoke detectors or fire detectors and just rejoice in the presence of all others. And, and this is something that I think we all correct saving life. And I mean, yeah, it took us a lot. I mean, the story and everything, like, you know, it's, it's not only the story of the vocal Odyssey or the story of the voice for us.
Lino Hermesh (29m 22s):
It's a lot also the story of our relationship, because we had to learn a lot. We, we all brought good, you know, heavy, thick, gooey luggages, you know, into our relationship and into our work together. Like I remember one producer when he heard that we are working together was like, oh guys, I'm just, just praying for you. You know, honestly, it didn't work for me. It didn't work for everybody. I know, but good luck for you. And we did, we went through a lot with this, but we had to kind of, you know, we had to upgrade our game somehow in order to have space for one another to really flower and to really acknowledge that this creature on my left on my right, this creature is not me.
Lino Hermesh (30m 15s):
It perceives things differently. It may be needs more time. You know, it may be think more horizontal and less, you know, this is the target, this is the mountain let's take over. It is more culturally, more Portuguese English. I'm originally from Israel. And we all bring our own, you know, kind of a inherent conditionings and everything. So it was, it was a lot about this in the beginning we had, when we facilitated this work together, it was sometimes very difficult.
Nessi Gomes (30m 50s):
Yeah. We would fight a lot, bring it into the group, just not really knowing our boundaries or like, what was, you know, what was our space, you know? So there was a lot of learning in that process and to kind of really honor what the other person brings into the space, you know, so in a way it's like we're not stepping on each other's toes, really kind of respecting the gifts that each person brings because lightly. And I said, we totally bring different things. And that in a, in a way it's very complimenting, it feels more round that way.
Lino Hermesh (31m 27s):
It was a work of trust and patience, basically, mostly for Nancy to trust that there is a male figure here that is not gonna, you know, kind of take advantage or, or kind of, you know, bossing hair or, or manipulate or whatever. And for me, and, and, and for, for Nancy to trust that, and for me to learn patience, to learn that, you know, that, that, that to even to learn the, the, the, you know, if you want to look at it in a big spectrum, that the, the, the beauty and the essence of the feminine, you know, which is so for us, the men, sometimes we don't really get it, you know, and it's very easy for us to say stupid, or this is ridiculous, you know, and then you, well, actually I was far out, you know, we, we are still going through these daily sometimes, you know, or even, you know, you did the online workshop, how was so against it?
Lino Hermesh (32m 37s):
You know, I was no way, no way I'm to corroborate our work in such way. You know, most of the things that I share in the groups, they are very physical are very much into, you know, into the social aspects. And I w I, I just, I just hated the idea. And actually in the first online workshop, I was suffering all the way through it. You know, it was very difficult for me to, but, but after like the second one or the third one, I was like, yeah, actually you will. Right. It is working and people receiving a lot. And my resistance was completely, no, you know, like you said before, it was my own process, bringing my own insecurity, my own nervous system, trying to create safety, even, you know, in the price of, you know, not exploring necessarily or possibilities.
Rohini Ross (33m 50s):
I'm just blown away by how many parallels there are in terms of how it is to work together as a couple, what we've experienced Angus feeling like you got kind of roped into this work by me. So it's, it's lovely to hear your journey. And I definitely want to hear more about the personal side of things too, but I'll, I'll turn it over to you. I guess. I think
Angus Ross (34m 13s):
That one of the things that I'm starting to be struck by, and I might be going off on my own unique tangent on this, I don't know, but I think that one of the things that we were always taught with the understanding that we teach, and particularly for the teacher where this all started with talk about, or do seminars and, and would come up with a statement, don't listen, don't listen to my words, follow the feeling. And there's something about what you're suggesting, and this is how I'm hearing it, that, that following your intuition and allowing yourself to express yourself from that place, there's sort of no sort of intellect involved. It's just a feeling which I'm sure is universal. And I'm sure that if you can kind of come together as a collective and experience that feeling and embrace that feeling, I'm sure magic happens.
Angus Ross (35m 0s):
So that's kind of like, I'm kind of starting to feel excited by what you're pointing to, if I'm on the right track here. I don't know.
Nessi Gomes (35m 9s):
Absolutely. I, I mean, for me personally, it's always been about feeling, you know, and, and following my feeling and following that gut instinct, you know, it's not really intellectual and at least for myself, and yeah, like whenever, you know, when I suggested like the vocal Odyssey in the beginning, you mentioned how you had some doubts about that. And, and, and there was until we did the first one, you were like, wow, actually this is powerful. You know, just really powerful. And you got really excited about it.
Lino Hermesh (35m 42s):
I mean, it was that, you know, that, you know, these moments in life that you're, you're kind of witnessing something and you know, that, okay, things are going to change from now on. And this was the first time we did it. This was that feeling for me, because I could see for me, for me, it was, I always felt good in, in, in the, in the group structure, being in a room and doing some things together and, you know, allowing this kind of a role of an ability to be expressed, but what really kind of nailed it for me was, was the element of the voice, you know, because in a way, you know, it's so much fun.
Lino Hermesh (36m 30s):
It does, it does so well for us from beginning of times, like necessary before. It's just, I think, I think something that we hold all the time together in these groups is the wish that, that we, we, we we'll come back to that, come back to singing, you know, as a, as this individual society, everything that it won't be anymore, this privilege of those with, you know, beautiful mikes and sound equipment and lights and, and, and sold out venues and everything. But we would, we're just singing our way through this life, because my curiosity was always about, about, about this search or about our inner geography, you know, how, and I, I'm still working with that.
Lino Hermesh (37m 18s):
I'm still very much kind of always checking in our workshops, what, what was happening there, because I guess it's coming from my, my need, you know, to put some meaning into this life first and foremost of myself. And of course for everyone that takes part in it, you know? So, so when we are doing this workshop in a way, you know, when we started to do it, we were, it's changing a lot with the it's changing because I think something in us is soft and more, and is, is kind of, we understand more, we don't understand the big picture, or we definitely, especially now in nowadays and everything, but we do understand what we need as individuals, but also what probably many other people need in order to have a, you know, in order to breathe fully in this life and, and just feel, feel comfortable.
Lino Hermesh (38m 20s):
And when you are in this, in this state of okayness, you, you can move forward. You can move out into relating in a good way, healthy way. We both had like years of created, you know, destructive, abusive, you name it relationships. You know, I think, I think, I dunno if nursing will agree. I know for myself, but our relationship in a way we came so exhausted, you know, to our relationship, I was, I was 38, she was steady 29, 29. And we were, I was so beaten by life.
Lino Hermesh (39m 0s):
You know, I was just recovering from a relationship where I was, you know, I was ready to jump from the cliff, you know, and then I met her right after and, and we were in a way, it was, we were so humbled by life, you know, from all these kind of torturing, you know, full of drama gun with the wind kind of relationship, love me, leave me, blah, blah, blah. You're not playing the whole human game. So we were ready to learn about, to learn about relating in a healthy way. We both, we both had our good dose of like, you know, rough childhood, let call, let's call it this way.
Lino Hermesh (39m 45s):
No, no, no, no anger towards anybody. It was, it was the way it was. And, you know, and, and, you know, there was also a lot of love there, but there was, there was the, the, the good doses of, you know, trauma, neglect, abuse, all these kinds of things, intentionally, not intentionally, but it just created this, this way of relating that I can say for me, but maybe I could also say for herself that it was constantly a source of pain as source of luck. So sort of, of desperation. And when we met each other, you know, at w at one point when the vocal arts obviously started to kick in, we had this concept that we need to, to, to split our ways when it come to work, because I was a manager and she was the artist, and that was a nightmare because she was there.
Lino Hermesh (40m 44s):
I saw her talent. And I knew that this is like, this is, this is like rare, you know, and I was ready to kill for it. And she was very kind of still insecure or still kind of looking for her way. And I was ready to book hair. God knows where to get her everything. And, and this conflict, it brought us to the edge somewhere when we were living in London, you know, 2015 or something, we were really, we really had to do a good soul search. We went to therapy with these, you know, we did therapy with psychedelics together.
Lino Hermesh (41m 24s):
We really went deep into remembering why we are together because this, this, this didn't work. And it was a lot to do with me in a way with my own ambitions, my own wounds, my own wish to prove myself to the world through this, you know, a little golden, golden chicken that I found. But, and then, you know, it was funny enough because we came up to the idea that I need to find something to do. I don't know, maybe I'm going to go work in an office. God knows what, you know, do something like, you know, be a taxi driver, got nothing, but life wanted something different.
Lino Hermesh (42m 12s):
Cause then we saw when we are working together, there, there is, there is something that is been created that is bigger than our individual self, you know? And, and I S I started to get really obsessed about the voice because of hair. And I just couldn't believe what I saw, what I experienced as, as a humble disciple of this instrument. Not as a teacher, even I went to Bobby McFerrin. I went to all these giant masters, you know, cause I really wanted to, you know, and I could see the alchemy, the magic, you know, that is so in a way, effortless, because it's built in it's here, there is no need for any, it's just a lot about just softening and feeling that togetherness and, and being gentle with one each other.
Lino Hermesh (43m 9s):
This is, this is something that we always emphasize about the vocal Odyssey. It's not this kind of group. Like you can do it, go for it. You know, it's not about that. It's not about improving your mind. Yeah. It's
Nessi Gomes (43m 24s):
Beyond, beyond it's even beyond singing. You know, sometimes I don't even like to say it's all cause it, you know, sitting as an element, but it's also just reclamation of our voice, whether it's speaking, whether it's just giving a sound to an emotion, it's not even about sounding beautiful. You know, of course, if there's beauty there, but for me, the voice it's beyond just singing, it's like that connection to something bigger. And I always feel like once we're able to kind of soften the mind because in the beginning, yeah. That the mind can kick off and start judging and go, oh, what are you doing?
Nessi Gomes (44m 5s):
I can't sing. I'm not good enough. Or, you know, whatever our defaults are. And for me, like the voice is the way to the heart, you know? And, and when we think about the hearts, you know, our show spoke about this and one of his what'd you call it sat signings, discourse discourse, and I'll try my best to kind of remember it, but kind of saying how the heart is. You know, when you think about falling in love, it's like that sense of losing control. You can't be in control when you fall in love, you can't, you know, the mind wants to control everything. It wants to measure everything and wants to have a plan.
Nessi Gomes (44m 46s):
But when you really follow the heart, it takes you into unknown territory, which can be really scary. And for me, that's like the voice, the voice is the connection to the heart. It's like a surrender is almost like a death. Yeah. It's learning how to die in that moment of stepping into this vast, you know, space, you know, where you're just kind of being able to let go of your pride or what, whatever is like protecting you. And for me, it's like a mirror as well. Like it's, the voice is a reflection of where we are in this moment. You know, we know that when we are in conversation with dear friends, you know, they could be saying to you, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm good.
Nessi Gomes (45m 35s):
But you know, from the tonality of their voice, that they're not good that they're there. They're actually struggling in some way, their words are saying one thing. But the, the vibration that they're sending is informing us or informing you that you know, that they're needing some support or whatever. So the voice doesn't lie. So that's why when we do this work, we incorporate so many different tools and, and really, you know, it is about feeling, it's about tuning in and, and deep listening. It's not just listening with your ears, but really fitting with your whole body, you know, and, and giving this space for people to connect to their voice because we can learn so much about our expression for me, that's at least, you know, that was really what the voice gave me.
Nessi Gomes (46m 31s):
It gave me confidence. It gave me a sense of power. It gave me the ability to express the unspoken, you know, and help me feel a sense of connection to myself. Because in those earlier years, I, it felt like my spirit was just like all over the place. And the moment I would give sound to my inner landscape, it would just be pulling all these fragmented parts back into the center and making me feel whole it's, you know, and again, not focusing on trying to get it right often, you know, sometimes people think, oh yeah, I'm going to do this workshop because I want to learn how to sing when actually what they received from the end of it is singing to learn about themselves, that connection to themselves, like, who am I, what do I want, what are my needs?
Nessi Gomes (47m 21s):
And I felt like the voice can really reflect that back to us in such a beautiful way. But, you know, I think the most important thing is creating that safety, you know, first, and that's why playfulness is so precious and Lino brings this amazing quality into that. You know, that, that playfulness, that joy, that, you know, that helps the mind just to kind of soften and feel that sense of safety and trust. And then we can go deep, you know, then we can, I mean, I guess it depends also on what each person brings, you know, because each person will receive this work completely differently, but yeah.
Nessi Gomes (48m 7s):
Feeling feelings. So feeling for me has guided me through life, you know, that not knowing, okay, I don't really know where this is going to take me, but this is what's pulling me. And I got to follow that, you know? And, and, and it's the same with the voice. I don't know where my voice wants to go, but it's pulling me into a direction.
Lino Hermesh (48m 28s):
Also, there's this element of feeling that you shared about it is so much kind of the, the, you know, the pool that we drink from, because our, on the other hand, the pool of, of knowing, or having, having answers is pretty dry for us almost intentionally, because we honestly don't know necessarily. And, and especially when people are coming here, I w I don't have the, the, I don't feel that I have the skills or the right, or, you know, or even I don't have those shoes, you know, so it's, it is very what we are really trying, and also where we are sharing about this work, you know, even in the words, in the website also, when, when people come is that, you know, it is, you know, it is not so much part of, of, of, of, you know, you can say the in EWH guide of menu in the sense of, you know, you're going to come and then you're going to get this and that.
Lino Hermesh (49m 35s):
And, you know, you're going to get your understandings, you're going to get your bliss. You won't have any trauma, you know, they're going to be another two zeros in your bank account once you're back home. And we, we really don't know all that, you know, and, and, and it is a mystery in a, in a way, in a way we are not going so much in this work into, of course, there's a lot that people can share. And, and this, this is super valid and welcome, you know, when, when someone in the group open her mouth or his mouth and share for the first time about something very significant or very, you know, intense, you know, that happened.
Lino Hermesh (50m 17s):
And it's super precious, but it is, it is not, we're not gonna use this as, as a mean to fix anything, because we honestly, you, we don't know in that sense, and we don't have the answers. We just, we just hundred percent sure about the power of the voice as an, as an alchemy, as a kind of a, of a, of a Sonic medicine, you know, and, and it's not, like I said before, you know, when, when you shared it is so much about, you know, like kind of a daily, daily anchoring into that in any way possible, it doesn't need to be even through the voice, but which is something that we are, you know, often struggling with, you know, like nursing needs to push me, come on, you know, let's, let's, let's do now 20 minutes of, you know, the, so that we also human beings going through, you know, dancing with resistance and, and all, all the, you know, habits of being in this imperfect body, mind and everything, but potentially it can open a whole new world of like, like, and use software and you perspective and you angle and you horizon to look at, rather than being focused on that, which keeps on, you know, kind of, you know, nagging us and everything.
Lino Hermesh (51m 48s):
And, and, and it's true that I, I see that once we do the work in real time, in real moment, if you're going to ask the person, you know, many times, where's your trauma now, or where is, where is this? Where is this rage now, or, or the sense of, of helplessness, eh, income, you know, whatever. And, and I know it from myself, once I'm in this space, it is not there. What is there is this sense of aliveness? You know, I remember when we started to do this work sometimes, you know, sometimes, you know, we were ending a day or in the middle of the day, we were going to a room just to kind of, you know, talk about, okay, strategies, what's next, you know, a little bit kind of like a timeout.
Lino Hermesh (52m 37s):
And we were so high, you know, and, you know, like, like, like on, on drugs, you know, we were just like pausing, you know, like, oh, you know, like, just from voicing, singing easy, it is a, an ancient medicine. You know, when people, you know, when people were in concentration camps, they were singing when people were enslaved, walking in hope and his shepherd, and this, there was thinking, you know, not only in marriages and in, you know, ceremonies where you're all kind of writing the malls, you know? So, so we just believe in that, other than that, we are, you know, I guess has clueless as everybody, especially in these times, I have to say that speaking to us now, relationship, all that this, this last year and a half was definitely our most challenging one since, like I told you, 2015 and all that, the house that you stay on the back here, we were stuck here for weeks and they believe in to leave the house little child.
Lino Hermesh (53m 45s):
And we really had to dig deep in order to, to, to go through that, you know, there were moments that we were looking at each other and like, who the fuck are you? You know, really like you don't know anymore, you know, you're just kind of, you are so, so disconnected from, from, from, from everything that is kind of expensive, you know? So, so it was really like talking now, I think in the last weeks or so we feel like a little bit, at least me a little bit like the, you know, the inner spring is coming after, after a long, long, long winter that, that, you know, and by the way, brought again, a lot of these old stuff, you know, sometimes I was so on the floor, you know, I was really like, you know, I felt like it's just probably the first time in my life that I'm, I'm dealing with depression, you know, as a result of everything was taken away from us, all our good life are, are traveling in the world, facilitating our work, you know, like, you know, what else can you ask for?
Lino Hermesh (54m 58s):
And it's one point boom, you know, welcome to COVID world. And, and, and I took me, it took me some good months to handle that. And sometimes I was just, you know, I was, I was, has as functional as a piece of furniture here. And, and, and that brought a lot of insecurity also because, because the, the, the fear of abandonment and being left alone and being unloved for who you are, it's something, you know, like just yesterday, I said to Nancy something, and she got really hurt about our child and this, you know, and, and you could see immediately that it's a, it's a, you know, you know, we always have this fear of not being good enough for my partner or good enough of a mother or all these kinds of things that, you know, if we, if we are conscious enough to catch it on time and we, if we, if we are not carrying the garage for too long, and if we're not kind of, you know, going into this corner, I think this is what maturity.
Lino Hermesh (55m 60s):
Maybe you can also join us in this, that if you're not, if you're not reacting to that. And if you're growing through the relationship that slowly, slowly after five years, seven years, 10 years, 12 years, this it's becoming more and more kind of like you soft and this edges as, as a mutual sale, you know, how to, how to reach back yesterday. It was hesitant to reach back. Yeah. It's not that it's my time, you know, because the love is there and the love is so strong. Sometimes you're so angry and now you're so hair.
Rohini Ross (56m 54s):
I think that's such a, I mean, you've said so many amazing things, but just to pick up on that last point, that I think people think that when there's a healthy relationship, that those things don't happen and that's just not true. The healthy relationship has the depth of love in it. And it's really about the bounce back. Like you're talking, it's not that it doesn't happen, but we just get better at waking up sooner and reaching out and accepting the reaching out more easily. But there has to be room for our humanity in relationship and relationships. In my experience, especially in our relationship, it says it can be incredibly healing, but it's through that arising.
Rohini Ross (57m 36s):
It's, it's through having the experience that, of, of it arising and living through it and learning each time something new can be there. And, and I also fully agree with what you're saying about the mystery of, you know, when people come to us, we don't have their answers, but we know that their nature is love. Like that's what we know and that if they have a taste of that, they're going to find their answers. And so all we can do is point them in that direction, in the best way that we can. And, and in your work, that, that was what I experienced is you were using the voice as a way as a portal to connecting with that mystery that's within.
Rohini Ross (58m 17s):
And when we touch that place, miracles happen, magic happens, but we don't know what that's going to be. And it is a real surrender, like you're saying, and I want to, I mean, I resist the surrender, but I want to surrender, like, is that dance of being human? It's terrifying, but it's also amazing every time I'm able to do it and to, to have the experience that you've created, the intention around safety was so clear. And, and I think whether it's in a workshop, whether it's in a relationship, whether it's in a work environment, that, that isn't really understood how we as humans, don't live often an experience of inner safety and the negative impact that, that has on us when our nervous system, as you were saying, Lino is aroused and were defended.
Rohini Ross (59m 11s):
And, and it just feels normal. Sometimes we don't even realize that we're not fine. Like, as you were saying, Nessi, you asked your friend, how are you doing? Like, I'm fine, but you can hear in their voice and not find they might not even know that they're not fine. And, and so whatever ways we, we use as humans to come into the present moment and to have room for, for all of us in our experience, not just the intellect, which is so focused on in our day to day things that we have to get done, but to, to incorporate all of ourselves, our spiritual nature, but all of our human nature, our feelings, not just the deeper feelings of our true nature, excuse me, but the, and the emotional landscape of who we are.
Rohini Ross (59m 59s):
So it, it's just beautiful to hear both of you talk about the things that we talk about, but in the way that you speak to it, because it's, it might be pointing slightly differently, but it's absolutely pointing to the same place.
Angus Ross (1h 0m 13s):
Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm really struck by the parallels and, and I, and I reflect on how, in the way that you're talking about this, that the voice in the way that you might use it intuitively kind of allows you to come into resonance with your feelings in a way that you get to not engage the intellect. It's kind of like I was thinking about, there's a lady that we knew that did, did an improv class, and it was called improv as a path to spiritual enlightenment. And I think that, that the essence of what she was trying to achieve is like in improv, you don't have the luxury of like, you know, listening to the filter, listening to the noise of the intellect.
Angus Ross (1h 1m 1s):
And I think this is taking a, a step further because you're doing something that is natural kind of giving voice to a feeling that allows you to become so much more in tune with your own psychology around that feeling, which I think is really profound. It never occurred to me that that would be a possibility on that level. And I think that's really exciting because I think quite often we encourage the people that we work with to sort of get in tune with their feeling, use the feeling as an indicator for your state of mind. And if you get into a habit of allowing yourself to express your state of mind through voice, then you'll get so much clearer around your state of mind. And I'm sure that must be a good thing.
Angus Ross (1h 1m 41s):
I can really see the benefits of
Rohini Ross (1h 1m 43s):
That. And it, it's sort of also through that connection with the emotional experience, you tap into that expanded state of consciousness to like, that's why the two of you are high when you're doing your jobs. Yeah. It's beautiful.
Lino Hermesh (1h 1m 58s):
Yeah. It is when you are, when you're singing or voicing for some time, the reason, I mean, I mean, on one hand on the social aspect of it, you know, if you are among other people, your heartbeats will, will synchronize your breathing, your, everything, all the physical becomes become like one, you know, but, but also brainwaves wise and all of these things were heavily researched. You know, it is like, it gets trippy, you know, it is. It's just, so it's just, I guess it's the most available, you know, harmless psychedelic, you know, that there is in the market, you know, cheap.
Lino Hermesh (1h 2m 54s):
Yeah. It's just about, I, you're not, especially in times like this, where it's really like, you know, I was sharing a little bit about what I was passing through, but we were getting a lot of people writing to us naturally because of the workshops and because of, you know, because the way we did it, we did this work for the last seven years. So, and, and, you know, we have, this was our family, is our family, all these people that we met from the middle east to the us and Canada, to Australia, to Africa, to central America, wherever Europe, wherever we did this work, you know? So in the last year and a half, we, I received so much, I mean, in a way you can call it bad news.
Lino Hermesh (1h 3m 38s):
You know, people are just, you know, in, in, in, in hard moments, separated and people are, you know, relationship breaks ups because of this, this kind of condensed reality, and a lot of, a lot of sadness, a lot of grief, you know, people, people losing their, their, the ability to express their gifts and everything. And we kept on saying in this online workshops, guys, you know, this is, this is not like now a privilege or anything. This is, this is a necessity, you know, just keep, keep singing, keep this, keep this flame alive.
Lino Hermesh (1h 4m 19s):
Whether you can meet with one friend or two, whether it is zoom or whatever. I always say, like, whatever we are sharing the, it is not a certain, you know, what someone wrote yesterday asked for us to do a teacher training. And I wrote teaching what, you know, this is, you know, what is, what is the vocal, or this is just a, in a, it's just a collections of, of, of, of things that helped us, you know, moments of, of, of, you know, anything that, that ease the road for us. It is, it is not a dog Morris school or anything. And it's just a reflection. And, and so, so in a way, you know, keep, keep on doing it wherever you are, wherever you are.
Lino Hermesh (1h 5m 5s):
This is like, like I, you know, the human spirit is individuals. Society is, is, is how you say on a, on a brink? Is it, is it, this is serious. What is happening in some places? Feel it more, some places you feel it less, it's very, also an individual process, you know, easy to say we are any together and all these cliches, but no, some people are really like, they don't know where, where are they going to get the foot tomorrow to the kids? You know, those are more privilege and as there's nothing good or bad about it, it's just reality. You know? And when we are sharing, when we are talking to the people, and this is also a process we did with self looking, you know, reflecting on this last year and a half and all the ideas and opinions and what is happening and what is not happening and I'm right and you're wrong.
Lino Hermesh (1h 5m 52s):
And all that. At one point, I think we were really get tired from this. And we just looking at reality and we ask ourselves, what can we do? What can we all do now in order to, to, to somehow lift, you know, the human spirit in these times, you know, that, that, that, you know, that nobody will fall in this, in this, in between the horrors of this crumbling blanket, you know, because, because it's really, it's so rough for so many of us and, you know, loneliness, you know, if you want to break the human spirit, if you in prison, you put the guy in the, how you call it isolation. Yeah. Yeah.
Lino Hermesh (1h 6m 32s):
That's how you, that's how you break his spirit. This is like the ultimate punishment. And whether it's the right thing to do now, not, we're not going to go even into this, but in general you cannot ignore or deny what are the consequences. And I think that in this times now, if we could connect through a voice sync together and lift each other up, then, then we would manage, you know, the dark night of the soul. You know, the sun is coming at the end
Rohini Ross (1h 7m 5s):
Angus, and I thought this would be a good spot to let you listen to another excerpt from one of MSCI comas, the songs called Novo. I'm going to say our new Dawn
Angus Ross (1h 8m 43s):
You used that term Sonic medicine and it's asleep, what you've created or sounds beautiful.
Rohini Ross (1h 8m 50s):
Yeah. And then let's see, I also wanted to check about your, your music because you have, is it, I don't know if it's a new, I was reading in the bio. It says you have a new album. I don't know if that's recent or is that up-to-date and 16 was my Debbie.
Lino Hermesh (1h 9m 9s):
No, but actually released some songs a few months ago. Oh,
Rohini Ross (1h 9m 14s):
Beautiful. So we'll make sure to include that information in our show notes. So people can access that as well, because you do have such a, a beautiful gift. And, and I think both both works really compliment each other that just listening to your music is, is a treat. So we want to make sure that our listeners can have access to that as well. Yeah. Is there anything else that you want to say before we finish up? Is there anything else that occurs to you? I spoke so much. Maybe
Nessi Gomes (1h 9m 46s):
I felt like we shared quite a lot. I feel like it. Yeah. Like we said everything now. Yeah. Unless you think there's something
Lino Hermesh (1h 9m 56s):
And no, I just, yeah. I, I, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm very grateful for this opportunity to express that because I do feel that these are special times, you know, and often I, you know, I, whether I go through some challenges or whatever, or little things happening, then I hear some stories and I'm like, whoa. You know, I really, I really pray for people, you know, for all of us. And you know, that I, I love the online workshops, you know, and, and I learned to, you know, evaluate them as something that really, really shows something that of, of, of, of a meaning.
Lino Hermesh (1h 10m 40s):
But I can't wait. I mean, we're gonna, we're praying. We have two retreats in Greece in September, October God's will. Yes. One week that it is kind of like, that's something that we wait the whole year, you know, like every year we'd love it. Like we go for one week with a bunch of 20 people and we just, you know, throwing out watches and just, yeah. So this happened in September, October, but before, before we were in a, you know, COVID reality and all that, we did these workshops in, in, in England know, even in the us, we had the whole month and a half that we share the workshops years ago.
Lino Hermesh (1h 11m 22s):
And I would love this to come back because I really miss miss this human, you know, human beauty.
Rohini Ross (1h 11m 31s):
Absolutely. Yeah. I hope that you come to LA or we get to travel to one of your somewhere else. I can't wait to increase in one. Yeah. Looking forward. Yeah.
Angus Ross (1h 11m 42s):
I, I am. So I'm so down just from having this hour with you, I'm so intrigued and I want to learn more. I hope I'm sure everybody else will feel this way. That's listening to this too. Yeah.
Rohini Ross (1h 11m 54s):
And it's just beautiful to be able to, to share something that is such a simple way of settling our nervous system, reconnecting with ourselves. And as you both said that you get along better when you're vocalizing and singing. There's just those natural benefits to relationship. When we give ourselves that natural expression, that's right there. We don't need to go anywhere for them. So it's such a good, since that day, we all have access to it. And it's so easy to overlook how speaking for myself, it was just something that I was overlooking.
Rohini Ross (1h 12m 33s):
And it was such a, a blessing for myself to just reawaken in that way and realize how much more alive I felt. And I don't know if we'd been getting along better, but maybe
Angus Ross (1h 12m 49s):
We'll see. Yeah. We'll see.
Lino Hermesh (1h 12m 51s):
I, we say we sing to be happy, you know? Yeah. We think to be happy because when you're happy, you can, you can start to take care of the mess, you know,
6 (1h 13m 1s):
That's right. You
Lino Hermesh (1h 13m 2s):
Have like a, more of a, kind of a good attitude to figure out stuff that's right. But that's why we, we seem to be happy. Yeah. It takes us back to love. Yeah. And I
Nessi Gomes (1h 13m 16s):
Guess, like, you know, the one thing about this part is that you don't need to have any experience, you know, people can, doesn't matter how it sounds. It doesn't matter how it's really, you can have literally no experience. And you're just curious about your voice, you know, the power of your voice, all that energy, what it holds. So it's really, it's really open to everyone. You know, it's not about needing any kind of account I need at least three months preparation. No, no. Come as you are. Sometimes not knowing is the
Rohini Ross (1h 13m 56s):
Best. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And I think that's how I showed up. Sort of, I didn't look too. I just knew. I felt like, oh, this is something that would be good to do. And then say, oh, this is what this is. And, and to feel the, the smallness of like, of the smallness of my voice in terms of my self-consciousness and all of the thinking that I had on it, that how that was impacting it. And then to gradually feel the, oh, there's more energy opening up here. I'm not so timid. And it's okay to be with that vulnerability and the tears or whatever it comes forward. Yeah. It's just so beautiful. So I'm incredibly grateful. Yeah. Those are the best.
Nessi Gomes (1h 14m 37s):
And then you can take that. You can take that understanding to other areas of your life, you know, so it's, it's kind of giving you this, you know, it's like further understanding or accessing other layers of consciousness and finding these tools of how to apply that to not just our voice, but how we are in life, how we take that on our journey and you know
Rohini Ross (1h 15m 7s):
Yeah. The ripple effect. Yeah, exactly. Thank you so much for being with us. Just so grateful and looking forward to more, to come. Yeah. Thank you so much.
Lino Hermesh (1h 15m 20s):
You guys hopefully hug. Yeah.
Angus Ross (1h 15m 28s):
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Rohini Ross (1h 15m 44s):
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Angus Ross (1h 15m 54s):
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