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Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, everybody. Hi, welcome back to What the Podcast. I'm Ryan.

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And I'm John.

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And together we are Ryan and John.

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Cheers. Oh.

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Just two guys.

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Two guys in the bluuth.

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And our friend Annie. Joining us in the Bluuth. Oh, and Annie's here. As always. Annie the Scove Scoveman. The lovely. Always fresh, never frozen. We also got Artie the podcast on with us today.

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Well, I don't know if you kind of see him his little face.

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Artie loves your face.

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No, we can't see it.

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And the time of this recording will officially be in baseball season. Happy baseball season, everybody. Opening day just happened.

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Happy baseball team. Happy baseball.

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You know. Yeah, that's really good. The classic song. Which means it's also hot as hell. You guys. No, it is hot as hell. We're having a heat wave here in San Diego. Um, which is crazy because in other parts of the country, uh, we're a frozen wave.

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Cold going on with that. Oh, well, how does that work?

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Um, great question. Global warming, I believe. The lows are the lowest they've ever been, the hot are the hottest they've ever been. So is I don't know. Really?

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So in global, I didn't consider that in global warming, it g it like cold the colds are getting cold.

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That's why they changed it, they rebranded from global warming to climate change. Because they're saying that climates are changing.

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So you don't think that we're like eventually gonna turn into like a it's not like we're gonna turn into like because global warming was like, oh, there's never gonna be rain again, and we're all gonna die because there's gonna be a water. It's just like so extreme we can't handle it.

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It's gonna be so extreme in both directions. Oh, okay.

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Well, it's kind of comforting to me.

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Ever I mean, every year for the past 15 years or something, we've had record high hots.

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As someone who hates the heat, I was always afraid of global warming because I didn't want it to be like hell. You know what I'm saying? I get that. But the fact that it's gonna be both extreme cold and extreme warm.

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Well, in San Diego by the beach, it's gonna be mild to moderate. So I think we'll be okay.

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But I've been in negative 46 degree weather.

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Sure.

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And I've been in my hottest degrees I've ever been in is 122.

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Where was that? Death Valley?

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It was uh Havisu, right?

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Yes. Like Havaso.

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I feel like the hottest thing I'm feeling right now is freaking Arthur's breath. Right on my right on my butt. Just his nose straight to my butt. So I'm like, my gosh, he's a podcast dog. Oh, he's so cute.

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Look at him. Oh my gosh. He's got that weird off face.

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It was it was Lake Havisu, middle, mid-July. Yeah. Um, circa 2016. I did one of those.

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I did a a spring break in Havisu one time. It was crazy. Oh, yeah. Maybe it was summer actually.

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I remember my friend burnt her, like fully burnt her foot. Yeah.

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Sure.

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I thought you were gonna say my friend burnt foot. And I was like, Your name is Burnus Burntfoot.

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Burntfoot? No, that was a nickname she picked up during the trip.

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Her foot trying to get to the car barefoot, straight from the lake, soaking wet. Trying to run to the car, had to jump into shade. Just one. She was like, I I can't. And then at the car had to get shoes. She was like, I can't do that.

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That's horrible.

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Yeah, extreme heat seems like my it really is my personal hell. Yeah. I I like I you just can't escape. I mean I can with AC, but at the same and also sweaty guy. Yeah. Sweaty out. 100%.

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Sweaty guy checking in here. Checking in, checking in sweaty guy.

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Yeah, guys, let's all just check in. Sweaty.

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My me and my wife, you know, part of our nightly routine is we watch something stupid on Netflix. So last night my wife put on uh the dinosaur show. It's like a four-part series. Morgan Freeman narrates it, and it's made to be like it's an actual nature documentary. Great. But it's completely made up, and it's dinosaurs, obviously. There's no footage of dinosaurs. Um by the fourth episode, I was completely hooked. I was fully into it. How many episodes are there? Four episodes. Oh, so by the end of it, I was like feeling things for the dinosaurs, you know?

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You watched the whole thing before you were hooked.

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Well, no, I was hooked, obviously, by the second episode. I was like, this is stupid. I'm watching.

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But by the end, you were vested in the outcome a little bit.

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Well, one thing about me is I yearn for screen time. I'm like, anytime the screen's on, I'm watching it.

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I was thinking about this. I, you know, now they have iPad kids, right? They're like, I don't want, I don't want baby my iPad baby. I was an iPad kid of a different generation. I sat in front of that TV for hours.

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The thing you have to understand about the TV when we were kids, it's not it's not like the screens that are are out today. There's something there's an addictive quality to the screens today.

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Yeah, but I'm saying when people are like, oh, a kid just sit in front of the screens. Yes, but I also got home from work or work, got home from work.

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The mines, the coal mines, or where was that what you were working on?

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The triangle shirtwaist factories.

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Okay.

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Um the podcast dog is deciding. And that's a wrap on already. See you later, buddy.

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On my um headphones.

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Oh, okay. For those of you that are just tuning into the podcast, um, Arthur the podcast dog is a what is he, Malinois? Something like that. He's some kind of mix uh mostly Malinois German Shepherd.

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He's a psycho, a psycho. He's oh and oh my gosh.

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Wow. That was four paws over the power cord of this camera right here. That is fantastic.

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It's my goodness. Yeah, that was fantastic. I'm pretty sure the dogs aren't allowed in the studio, too. I don't think so. The studio we recorded has a no-dog policy. Yeah, yeah.

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One thing about big screen at home is it stayed home. Anytime kids are like, iPad mom, mom, can I have the can I can I have the tablet mom? Yeah. TV at home, and we're at we were at home. We're watching the TV, of course. Sure. But when you're out, you know, playing in the yard or you're, you know, at dinner or whatever, it's like, yeah, entertain yourself. I don't know.

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Yeah.

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Color or something.

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I loved it because I called Ryan last night to ask him something, and he's I was like, hey, what are you doing? He's like, I'm watching Dinosaur Show. And I was like, I just got two minutes. I was like, that's hilarious. And he told me more about it.

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I answered some like, what's up? He's like, Oh, sorry, did I catch you at a bad time? I'm like, no, just watching the dinosaurs.

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Exactly. That's outland, yeah.

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Just watch the dinosaurs. Um it like broke down, every episode was like kind of a different era of dinosaurs. Breaking down the dinosaurs, the Triassic and the uh Mesozoic era and the Jurassic, of course.

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You already know way too much.

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Yeah, and then so it was kind of like okay it's all fake. Well, it's it's all true, but it's all made up. Like the things you're watching aren't Were you a dinosaur boy? Was I a dinosaur boy? Of course. Yeah. Okay. Love dinosaurs.

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Were you a dinosaur boy or a truck boy?

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It's kind of like the first fandom.

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I was a dinosaur, but yeah, I was like, I was in the little figurine.

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So everybody loves dinosaurs. All the little boys are like, this is a blah-blah-blah ba-baba.

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I wish Kara was here right now. Kara loves dinosaurs.

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Oh, I believe it. Yeah. Oh, I believe.

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Kara loves dinosaurs. She put that show on, let me tell you. So, you know, over the eras. But that's that's what's like kind of the funny thing is you're watching, like, they're like, and now here's this one dinosaur, and he's gonna try to like, you know, find a mate. And he makes this sound, and he has this like red, you know, plume thing coming off the top of his head. I'm like, hold on, hold on a second. This is all made up, by the way. We don't know anything about how these dinosaurs hunted. We can, you know, they make up stuff. They we can assume, oh, you know, we found a bunch of the bones in one area, so they probably traveled in herds in packs or whatever, but like we don't we can only just assume stuff. So there's this whole freaking three-hour long four-part narrative about these dinosaurs, and they're like, Oh, yeah, and then jump ahead a million years, and then oh, and then it was like, I'm like, this is so stupid. By the last episode, the asteroid hits the earth. You cried, kills all the dinosaurs. I fully cried. I was like, that is horrible because it's like close-up shots of the dinosaurs, like, uh uh you ever watched Land Before Time? Yes, it was like Land Before Time, freaking and then Morgan Freeman's there, like, this is the end of the dinosaur era. You know how he does. Is that okay? That was really good. That was really good. We have the T Rex. Andy Dufresne.

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Andy Dufresne, the only free man.

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I'm like, he could he could narrate paint drying, and I would I would watch that. Yeah, I'd listen to that.

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Yeah.

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That man's got a golden voice. He's not on the Deadpool this year, is he?

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No, but I fear he's he's a I think he's been on in years past.

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Well, you said, yeah. I was like, oh, you think he's gonna die?

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Oh, yeah. That's what I think. Did you have you seen him?

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No, I haven't seen him yet. He's definitely got the salt and pepper face going on.

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I mean, he is really He looks like he's tired.

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He looks like he's a little tired. He's about ready to stop narrating things. He's ready to tap out to the sky.

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One foot in the grave and the other on the bucket.

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You know, he was in that movie, The Bucket List. That originated with Jack Nicholson, where they do the stuff on his bucket list.

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They do all the stuff on the bucket list.

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I didn't realize that that wasn't a phrase before that movie. Did you know that? That wasn't like a thing people said before that movie.

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I thought it was, because there's things you want to do before you kick the bucket.

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Well, yeah, they made that up for the movie.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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And he doesn't believe it. I believe it before.

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Annie was about to say, I definitely was saying that way before the movie came out.

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I know. I don't know when that movie came out.

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That's well.

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That's the question.

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That's what's great about this podcast.

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You know me. I'm a dumb bitch, so.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa.

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What are you doing that?

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Um, Annie and I had a bet on the car ride over here. And I was like, I bet you$10. She was like, I bet you a dollar, a quarter. And I was like, I bet you that you'll just say, I'm a dumb bitch on the podcast tonight. And she said, Okay. And I lost.

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And you know what the bet was? What? When's the last time you played apples to apples?

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I have no idea.

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I played apples to apples many a moon ago, and then what came out from that was cards and humanity, and then it was fine. Many a moon ago. That's fine. Like many moons.

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No, I got that. Thank you.

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I I rephrased it. Um and he said there was an Adolf Hitler card in apples to apples. I said, No, there was not.

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She said, That's definitely a cards against humanity.

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Apples to apples did not have cards like that.

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Sure enough.

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Sure enough, it did. And then sure enough. No, it did. Because I'm now I'm remembering there was apples to apples, and then there was apples green. Apples to apples was the junior version.

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And then it only one.

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We had both, but I was probably playing the green one. Um but then AI tried to gaslight him.

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Oh, that was the here's the thing, John. Next time you Google something, just dig a little deeper. Don't read the AI generated answer. Because it told me straight up No I knew in my heart of hearts that apples to apples, the normal version, had an Adolf Hitler card. Because it's like one of the funniest things that ever happened to me as a 14-year-old kid, right? Sure. That's hilarious. Adolph Hitler. So I knew. So I Googled it, and it says, No, in the original Apples to Apples, there is not an Adolf Hitler card. I'm like, that's not true.

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That's wrong.

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So I find somebody that compiled a list of all the apples to apples cards. 700 cards existed. Scrolled through it. Sure enough, Adolf Hitler on the list.

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Yeah.

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Add it to the list of reasons why I don't like AI, man. Because now they're just fully lying. That's just not true at all.

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Well, you know one thing I hate? Liars.

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I wonder if I wonder if maybe the like original game, like before it went to like mass production. Sure. I wonder if that what it means by that is like the original game, like the when they were like in beta testing, didn't have the card. And then when it went to mass production, it did. So the version you had. You know, I had it pro AI.

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Yeah, he's an AI stand, so I should have known I'm barking at the tree, obviously. Guys, it's the future. When you Google something, a couple of things. When you Google something.

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Do I think you should hire Do I think you should use AI for creative things? No. Hire an artist, hire a musician, hire a graphic designer.

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What about work? What about the simple answer to a question? What about should I use it for answering a question? Hey, okay. Let me tell you in apples to apples. Let me put it in perspective though.

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If you weren't neurotic in that moment and decided to go down the rabbit hole to find the answer, would it have changed the course of history for you?

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Yeah, because then he was saying I'm the best.

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I would have said on the podcast, I'm a dumb bitch. Don't clip that.

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I'm clipping it.

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But it it absolutely would because today it's Adolf Hitler in Apples to Apples. I get freaking Mandela affected.

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Tomorrow it's Adolf Hitler Hitler, period. I'm like What do you mean Adolf Hitler with the person? Like, we know I know for a fact.

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I'm like Adolf Hitler. They're like one of the worst people ever had. It wasn't a person.

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You're saying AI might be rewriting history.

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What I'm saying is it's a slippery slope. Is it not about the Hitler of it all? Is it the apples to apples? Did apples to apples pay AI to try to erase cards that they're ashamed of?

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That's like that Disney Frozen thing. Have you heard that?

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They made frozen.

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Allegedly, they named the movie Frozen so that when you typed in Disney Frozen, well Disney Frozen, it wouldn't be like, hey, his frozen head's under the park. It's like, check out this fun kids movie.

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Is it under the park, bro?

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For sure. And you know that statue of him holding the hand? It's in the bottom part.

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Allegedly.

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It's just the head?

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No, it's his frozen head. That way when it's a big thing.

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Supposedly that they've they've frozen his head or his body so that when the technology comes that we can revive him, he'll be able to hang out and smoke cigarettes again.

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That is interesting.

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Yeah. I don't know if we're ever gonna do that.

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I will say this is so insane. That's right. But I will say it is interesting to me that there's a quality of like death in s in like a person, or I guess in anything, in any living thing, that can't you can't you can't be brought back to life. Because like when you think about your body, your body's all is about just doing a certain function, right? It's like your heart's pumping the blood, your brain's telling your brain's telling it er, you know, what everything is what everything's doing, right? But it's crazy to me that and I understand like decomposition is a whole thing, which we won't get into. But like if I were to die right now, and let's just say all the medical assistants was here to like you know, I guess just get something working, like get my b blood pumping again, or whatever, whatever part of my body failed, but there's no way to like bring back yeah you you bring you back to life.

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It is crazy. This past um a couple months ago, my aunt passed away, and I was able to see her in the hospital before they ended up having to pull the plug. And it was so strange to be like because she fully seemed alive because all the machines were doing all the functions for her, and her body was reacting to things, you know. She wasn't coherent or awake or opening her eyes or anything, but like they would change something and her body would like kind of like adjust to it. And they're like, Oh, she doesn't like that, like let's switch it back. But then anytime they would turn off the machines to see if she could keep herself alive, she couldn't. So it was one of those weird things. I was like, Man, these machines are literally keeping her alive, but I get where it's like you're looking at her, you're like, but she but she seems she feels alive. Yeah, like it really was it was such a weird, yeah. It was it's such a weird moment, and then unfortunately my family had to make that decision of like at what point, you know. Yeah, yeah. And I mean the boring surreal.

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The boring answer that people will tell you is like it's a series of chemicals and like electrical currents passing through your body and making your muscles move to react a certain way. But a lot of like surgeons will tell you that there's a strong argument for like this extra thing that is like your soul or your person or your id or whatever it is, like that are like, yeah, you know, it's there's something else kind of keeping the whole thing.

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And I guess it is the brain, right? Because you're like kind of you brought up, like there are a lot there are people who you you can keep a body alive surely for a long time. Like like laying in a hospital set with machines.

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Through God, all things are possible. So drop that.

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Exactly. But I'm saying, like, you can keep a body like like your body can be alive, but you're like it's it's just interesting to me that like there's something in the brain that like when that goes, there's just like no coming back from that.

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Or people that get in accidents and you sever a little part of your spinal cord, it's like, oh, your limbs don't work anymore. They're alive, but you have no control of them anymore.

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That is wild too.

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Like you are just uh like what is your actual person? Like, are you you're not your body, you're just like this head inside of your body. We don't know a lot of people.

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That's like perceiving experiences, which is wild too, is like how much we don't know about the brain, and like they just really don't know like how to how to like they're they they're even like studying it now and going like yeah, we don't really know, like we know these parts of the brain do are what do what does what, but we don't really know how it does it. Like you can they can tell you how your lungs work and how your heart is like pumping the blood, you know. Everywhere else in your body, they can kind of tell you like this is how it's working, you know, this is how it's designed to work, but then it comes to the brain and they're like, I'm sure they know a lot more than I know for sure.

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Sure.

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But I'm saying, like, there's just parts of the brain are like, yeah, we just and like even when they do brain series, they're like, Yeah, there's always a risk. Like, if we just nick something, you might not be able to talk again. And it's like, what?

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And then you think about like people that have they're like, oh, this person fully changed their personality. Like, it was like Annie started being like a total bitch, like she was rude to everybody, and she was like, Oh, but I have headaches all the time. And then it turns out, like, brain tumor. They take the tumor out. There's like, oh, back to their old self, completely changing their personality.

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I listened to a podcast.

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Oh, okay. Yeah, it's great.

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It's a great podcast, and I've talked about it before.

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What the podcast.

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It's called What the Podcast.

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Sorry.

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Anyway, um, but it started, it's an NPR podcast, and it taught it is called Radio Lab. And it starts with a guy getting arrested. He a cop showed up to his door and he's like, Okay, I'll show you. And he had a bunch of child pornography on his website, on his like computer, on his hard drive.

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Whoa.

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And his he had been like collecting a ton of it, and he was he like knew that we came in, he's like, I'll show you where it is. Long story short, brain tumor. Because he was like, he's like, I don't like it. I have this weird compulsion, and I download it and I keep downloading it, but I don't watch it, and all this stuff. And they're like, What? And his wife was like, No, this is insane. Like he's been acting weird, I don't know. It came out that he ended up having a brain tumor. That was like oh, what a good company. He's like, uh yeah, brain tumor. I know it was a brain tumor.

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Check my brain.

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But the whole thing, it came, it came down to this idea of like he had started having these compulsions and he felt he had nowhere he could talk to. And then it came the whole the whole Radio Lab um episode was about like there's nothing in place to help people who have that compulsion ahead of time. We only have things in place for once they act on it. And if someone starts getting this compulsion, like what in the like brain chemistry, what like what could we do? So I was talking to all these different scientists who are like, Oh, we're experiencing, we're experimenting with this, and we're experimenting that. And that that Radio Lab episode is like circa 2015. So there might there might be you know advancements in those things. But I'm sure but I remember listening to it, and when they're like, and he had a brain tumor, it was like oh what?

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The idea that like, yeah, like a brain tumor could change your personality, the things, your desires, your these things that we think are like what makes us us, all of a sudden is completely different because it's like, oh, you have a mass of cells where your personality is right there. Yeah, it's like crazy. That is wild.

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That's insane.

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I recently learned that like, and this is dumb because I should have known this, but I I didn't know like how cancer like happened, and and I learned that basically all cancer is just like cells that convert and start attacking your body. Like it's just like it's caused by a lot of things, it can be caused by a lot of things, genetics, all the things, right? Uh but it's like it's crazy to me that like that just can happen. It's not like something you catch or something that like you get. It's like, oh, it's just something that just happens internally for for a probably a variety of reasons it can happen, but that's just wild to me that like, oh yeah, it's just a mutation of cells, basically. It's crazy.

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And the thing is too, like they can't it could be a you could get like this is the crazy part too, is like you could get one cancer cell and it could just never split, it could never mutate and grow. You could just have a single one cell got mutated and whatever. Or you could have one cell that gets mutated and then it hypermutates or whatever and it splits and it splits and splits and splits, and that's how you get this rapid growth cancer. But they can't tell when they find it, they can't tell which one it's gonna be. Someone explained to it, I think it was an Adam's ruin, Adam Ruins Everything. And he talked about cancer research. He's like, it literally the way that cancer research looks, it's almost like looking from above instead of from the side. So that he like all they see is like, oh, this is cancer, but they can't see how fast it's growing or whatever. So that's why sometimes they're like, oh, we're gonna wait and see, and then they're like, okay, it's quadrupled its size, now we have to do all this stuff. And you're like, wait, what?

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Damn.

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It's crazy. I don't think they'll ever find a cure for cancer, but that's just me. One, I don't think they're trying. That hard.

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Well, I think I think there's uh less big money in cancer. Listen, also oh, you don't think they're trying that hard? That's an interesting physical.

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The scientists.

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Well, like big pharmaceuticals.

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Oh, because they're putting all their money into diet dinosaur documentary. Right.

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I've heard this theory that big pharma's like doesn't want is basically like kind of actively hoping that they like working against a cure, because if they come up with a cure and we start curing it, then there's no need for medication.

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Now the reality is, do I think they're not trying no of course not? I think they're trying to. I think the reality is in 1960 we were still doing lobotomies. Like science has grown so insanely rapidly, but we still don't know a ton. Like you're like you're saying, we don't know a ton about the brain.

SPEAKER_05 22:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:42

Like I think the reality is why do cells mutate the way they do? We I don't think we are gonna find that answer.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

See, but I see I feel like I read or watched somewhere where the the there was a research about how to ch how to identify and change cell mutation. Like and then that would be like the big breakthrough, right? If they could figure out a way to even identify cells that are susceptible to mutating, or they could it's something with the DNA too. Like if they can if they can figure out a way to mutate to like ch alter DNA to that so that that doesn't happen in some way, then in theory, you like you could have you could basically give k children a shot and it or you could augment their DNA in the womb and then it would you basically eradicate cancer that way. But it's all theoretical. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:29

But do you know the last lobotomy was performed February of 1967?

SPEAKER_02 23:35

Whoa. Six seven.

SPEAKER_03 23:38

You don't think there's any connection.

SPEAKER_04 23:42

There's uh there's a uh But the way that lobotomy is literally all it was is we're gonna take a basically a metal pole. We're gonna poke them by the eye, kind of move it around, and they seem happier after. Who who's a famous uh girl? Kennedy, Rose Rosaline Kennedy had a botched lobotomy. Do you ever get a headache that's so bad? It was because she was lesbian and she was um they think that like maybe she was like, she was like too strong of a personality, right? She like she didn't want to do the things that they she was super adverse to authority and what was the word back then hysterical. She was hysterical, she was considered a hysterical woman. She didn't want to get married.

SPEAKER_03 24:17

Do you ever get a headache so bad that you're like, I feel like a lobotomy might fix it?

SPEAKER_04 24:21

Oh, yeah. Oh, you mean you mean a suicide migraine?

SPEAKER_03 24:24

A suicide migraine?

SPEAKER_04 24:26

Yeah. Yeah, I do. I do be feeling.

SPEAKER_02 24:28

I want you to know once a week.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

You think about the suicide migraine?

SPEAKER_02 24:32

Yeah, once a week I I say out loud, like, if I don't want to do something, I go, if some if this dog barks one more time, I'm gonna suicide migraine myself.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:43

The amount of threats that I just kind of throw out into the world, it's a pretty devastating amount of them.

SPEAKER_04 24:50

Um suicide migraine for the listeners is comes from a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 24:54

Surely not. We've talked about suicide migraine, haven't we?

SPEAKER_04 24:57

I doubt we've talked about it on the show. All right, go ahead. It comes from the lore of I had a great grandfather who had a migraine so bad that he committed suicide, and then they were like, yeah, it's called a suicide migraine.

SPEAKER_02 25:09

Which I still don't believe.

SPEAKER_04 25:11

I found out. You're refuting the suicide? I'm refuting that they said people called it a suicide. Granted, like my family lore, it probably like I was always told. People being the stovens. No, it was the other thing.

SPEAKER_03 25:25

Is that the same scientists that aren't pursuing cancer research well enough? Is that the same one?

SPEAKER_04 25:30

They're not really trying. They're not really trying.

SPEAKER_03 25:33

They're spending too much time on suicide migraines.

SPEAKER_04 25:35

They're not spending enough time on it. Solve the suicide migraine problem.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

I think I solved it.

SPEAKER_04 25:41

I think we're gonna get demonetized on this one.

SPEAKER_00 25:43

I don't think this one's stand up. Not a thing. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 25:46

Oh, are you trusting AI? Yeah, I've anything we've learned. True, true.

SPEAKER_00 25:50

Wait, wait, wait, wait. I gotta read some articles.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

Okay, what they say, what they say, it's not it's not an official term, by the way. It's it's for it.

SPEAKER_04 25:57

Well, of course it's not. They can't put that in the medical dictionary.

SPEAKER_02 26:00

The official term is called a cluster.

SPEAKER_04 26:01

A cluster headache, that's what I have.

SPEAKER_00 26:04

What is it called? An alive headache.

SPEAKER_02 26:07

So you got that help is available right at the top. And now I'm on a watch list. And now I'm on a watch list.

SPEAKER_04 26:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:14

The Spanish one.

SPEAKER_04 26:15

But the fact that you can look it up and they're like, oh no, that's called a cluster headache.

SPEAKER_03 26:19

Five cluster headache facts you need to know.

SPEAKER_04 26:20

And they're trying to change the narrative. Yeah. It was called a suicide migraine.

SPEAKER_03 26:24

Probably so that people don't freak out when they Google really bad headache and it says, Yeah, suicide. You've got to kill yourself.

SPEAKER_04 26:29

Well, and people have Okay. Um, but maybe they call it maybe they should rebrand it to lobotomy migraine, where it's such a bad migraine, you're like, I just want to.

SPEAKER_02 26:38

Tell me how you threw your back out.

SPEAKER_03 26:41

Don't don't make her. Don't make her. Tell me. Go ahead, Annie.

SPEAKER_04 26:46

I threw for the listeners. I was doing a really good job not showing it, too.

SPEAKER_02 26:50

Also, just backstory real quick. Backstory real quick.

SPEAKER_03 26:52

As an aside, I'm being very brave about my back.

SPEAKER_02 26:55

Three times a year. Annie comes to the show and goes, I threw my back out. No.

SPEAKER_03 27:01

No. She cut three times a year. She comes to the show and goes, Yeah. Yes, yes. And I go, hey Annie, is everything okay? She goes, uh I hurt myself. Uh-uh. No, it's not. Yeah, I got a bad case of the pulled back. Suicide back thing.

SPEAKER_04 27:20

Suicide back ache. Honestly, valid. Go ahead. It's a crazy story.

SPEAKER_02 27:27

I'm just saying you pull you you throw your back out more than anybody I've ever met. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:31

Is uh what I'm trying to my my um subordinate at work today literally said, Do you think maybe you have a slip disc? And I said, What? You just call her subordinate. I don't think she can say that. No, when I tell her to her face, I go, as is my subordinate, you can't tell me that. I almost had her push me around the office in my roly chart.

SPEAKER_02 27:47

Reasons for having a suicide migraine, being and being subordinate.

SPEAKER_03 27:51

We're gonna circle back to subordinate, but tell me about how you threw your back out.

SPEAKER_04 27:54

Yeah, sorry, go ahead. Um, I I'm just gonna give you the 50,000 feet. I threw it out. I threw it out hip thrusting.

SPEAKER_00 28:05

Let's just let's just examine it from above, not from the sides.

SPEAKER_04 28:09

From above, right? I threw out my back hip thrusting.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

Alright. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 28:15

No, when I went to the gym with a friend of mine, and we were on that, the like the weight, the it's like the hip thrust machine. She turned out it's really strong. And I was like, no, she's like, I can lower the weight before you do it. I said, no, just keep it on. I'm fine, I can do it. Turns out I couldn't do it.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

What was the weight that you hip thrested?

SPEAKER_04 28:38

She had 65 on either side. So uh 130. Wow. And I turned out send it. I said, fine. I will say I do.

SPEAKER_02 28:50

I I I get the pressure of that because I've been going to do it with my buddy, and he's way stronger than me. Yeah. And he'll he'll even he'd be like, do you wanna I can take and I'm like, no, it's fine. And then I'm like, have like five, and I'm like, oh at one point, I had it like midway ended up.

SPEAKER_04 29:06

And then I was too embarrassed to end the workout. Because I don't know if you've ever threatened your back out. You have about an hour before the swelling starts and the pain really starts. So you pull it and you're like, oh, that really hurt. And then you're like, that's gonna be rough. And so then I had this moment where do I then like say, hey, I've I've gotta go. You're like, this is It was also another piece of context, four in the morning, because it was before her shift at the hospital. So 4 a.m. I pull my back out and I was like, Why are you going to the gym at 4 a.m.? Because I was trying to I was trying to be a DB. I was like, oh girl, yeah, that's when you go, I'll go with you then. I it's my work from home day, sure, it's fine.

SPEAKER_03 29:43

I I just want to say from 50,000 feet. That is not your friend.

SPEAKER_04 29:48

What is the phrase? 30,000 feet. 30,000 feet is usually cruising out the top. I like 50 feet. That's like space.

SPEAKER_02 29:54

I like 50.

SPEAKER_03 29:55

Spaces. 50,000 feet.

SPEAKER_02 29:57

I like 30's not enough, so 50 feet.

SPEAKER_03 29:59

So 50,000 feet. I know. I haven't had to whip out the list recently, but I Annie did force my hand on the car ride over her.

SPEAKER_04 30:07

Alternative motors.

SPEAKER_03 30:09

Alternative motors. She thought that our friend Kayla had alternative motors.

SPEAKER_04 30:13

Interior motives. Yeah. But I couldn't say it, and it came out alternative motors.

SPEAKER_02 30:18

Annie, I you're like, what I want to say is you're brave because I would have just I'm with you, I'm like you. Sometimes I'm not sure about saying something, and I just don't say it. But you're brave because you say it.

SPEAKER_04 30:28

I say it, and it's wrong, but you know, Shakespeare made up a bunch of fake words, and we give him awards, and we have things named after me.

SPEAKER_02 30:35

So maybe it'll be the scove someday. The scove will be.

SPEAKER_04 30:37

Well, no, it's because here's what's gonna happen is you're gonna name something after me, and then this podcast is gonna come to light, and then you're gonna have to take it back.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

Dang. You have been taking some strong stances on this podcast. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:47

277 episodes of just hate crimes, basically. 78.

SPEAKER_04 30:51

No, not seventy.

SPEAKER_03 30:53

The first one Annie wasn't on, so Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:56

That first one is awesome. It was the best.

SPEAKER_04 31:00

Yeah, poor Olivia. You guys were like, yeah, Olivia used to make us cut things, and I'm like, I'm the reason she I would be the thing she's cut.

SPEAKER_00 31:05

Add more stuff. Yeah. Add more. Here's some more.

SPEAKER_04 31:08

Cancer ain't real. Dinosaurs fake.

SPEAKER_03 31:10

The scientists are not trying hard enough to cure cancer.

SPEAKER_02 31:16

Gas-powered vehicles, of course.

SPEAKER_04 31:18

Oh, God, yes. It's hard right now to have that stance with how expensive gas is. I get that. But you know what's even worse? You hear about the Waymo's?

SPEAKER_02 31:27

I heard about them.

SPEAKER_04 31:29

I ain't getting in no Waymo.

SPEAKER_03 31:30

Wait, what are we hearing about the Waymo's?

SPEAKER_04 31:33

I heard the Waymo's aren't self-dri are aren't actually self-driving.

SPEAKER_03 31:37

They are. I believe.

SPEAKER_01 31:40

What do you think?

SPEAKER_03 31:40

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_04 31:41

I heard that they have like a team of people that drive them from the game. Like a video game? Like a video game. Did I hear that from a reputable source? No. I don't know. I'm sure they heard that too.

SPEAKER_03 31:56

I thought they were dri I wasn't under the impression they were driving around the Waymo's. Because sometimes you'll see a Waymo with a person in it. But it looks like the Google car where it's got a like a camera on top.

SPEAKER_04 32:05

So they have that. They're like mapping the Waymo.

SPEAKER_03 32:07

And so they're mapping the Waymo's.

SPEAKER_04 32:08

Yes, but I think that they probably I think it's probably the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I'm sure they have a team of people on standby if the car has something happen that they would remote drive.

SPEAKER_03 32:17

Now I did hear that about ChatGBT where people were jumping in from uh from like India or something, like these data centers where people were like answering the questions really fast, being like, that's an excellent question. Let me answer that for you. I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_04 32:31

I wouldn't hate that job. I would hate that job. I have to be the human side of Chat GPT, no thanks.

SPEAKER_03 32:36

It's basically just a call the operator. Chat GPT call the library.

SPEAKER_04 32:39

You know you could do that.

SPEAKER_03 32:40

Waymo's.

SPEAKER_04 32:41

Have we talked about that? You can call the library and they have to answer the question.

SPEAKER_03 32:45

Self-driving.

SPEAKER_04 32:48

You can call the library and ask a question, and a librarian has to look it up.

SPEAKER_03 32:51

Yes, Waymo vehicles are truly self-driving. See, you can't trust.

SPEAKER_04 32:54

You can't trust it. And here's the problem is you can't trust anything nowadays. Everything in the news could be fake. You never know. You never know.

SPEAKER_02 33:03

You never know.

SPEAKER_04 33:04

Oh God.

SPEAKER_03 33:04

It's got AI decision making. The onboard Waymo driver was driving people into freaking an FBI shootout, weren't they? Like a SWAT team.

SPEAKER_04 33:13

Yeah, I'm just saying, like, I'm not getting into self-driving cars.

SPEAKER_03 33:17

I would consider it if the price was low.

SPEAKER_04 33:20

Even the trolley, the trolley in the subway, that's on a literal cable. There's only two directions it could go. It has a driver.

SPEAKER_03 33:28

The trolley's got a driver.

SPEAKER_04 33:30

The trolley's got a driver.

SPEAKER_03 33:32

Pulling the lever.

SPEAKER_04 33:33

The sub the subway's got a driver. There's a person in the middle of the room.

SPEAKER_02 33:37

That's all.

SPEAKER_04 33:38

And that's what I'm saying. If they even it's literally connected to a wire, it's not a lot of people.

SPEAKER_03 33:42

They never considered putting a guy in a computer chair controlling the trolley because you could easily that's two buttons.

SPEAKER_04 33:47

That's two buttons forward or back.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

If we're gonna AI every AI programmed for the most part, they're probably just kind of there monitoring it, right?

SPEAKER_04 33:56

In case someone like you. If they got a trolley, the moment that they automate the trolley, maybe I'll think about one of them.

SPEAKER_03 34:03

Because how many jobs do we need to eliminate? All of them?

SPEAKER_04 34:06

All of them.

SPEAKER_03 34:07

We want to be like the WALL-E people in the chairs?

SPEAKER_04 34:09

Oh, well, no.

SPEAKER_03 34:10

Well every job is automated. Like what's no what job should never be automated?

SPEAKER_04 34:16

Okay. Uh what job should never be automated?

SPEAKER_03 34:20

Should surgery be automated?

SPEAKER_01 34:22

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 34:22

Should we have a robot arm doing the surgery? They did surgery on a grape. Should we have that guy doing surgery?

SPEAKER_04 34:27

Um, surgery, no, that feels too pretty hands-on. I feel like we it needs to be like well, what's your answer? Job that should never be automated.

SPEAKER_03 34:38

You should never automate.

SPEAKER_02 34:41

I think you should never automate teachers personally. Period.

SPEAKER_04 34:47

Yeah, period.

SPEAKER_02 34:48

Because I think you learn a lot from teachers outside of like the academic academic academic material. I think teachers are big on social awareness and it's important for kids. And you know, so I think that that's not something you automate. Huge. Agree.

SPEAKER_04 35:04

We should never automate meter maids. Because I want a person to hate.

SPEAKER_02 35:08

No, you're out of your mind.

SPEAKER_04 35:09

I want to see them in their little demeaning like truck, their little like cart with their big long chalk stick. Yeah. And I want to go, I hate you. And I and I just feel like a common enemy brings the world together. Meter maids.

SPEAKER_02 35:24

That's true. Umpires.

SPEAKER_03 35:25

We should be we should definitely automate umpires, I think.

SPEAKER_02 35:27

She just said a home run. Nice word. Um, I think we should automate umpires.

SPEAKER_03 35:32

I think we should.

SPEAKER_02 35:32

You you think we should, or you like the the thrill of the No, I think I like we just watched Right should be right. I don't know if you watched the World Baseball Classic, but the DR team against USA, which I was conflicted because obviously USA, but that but all my boys are on the DR team. Last call of the game was was an absolute ball, and and uh there was no challenge system, and the game ended that way. Whiff. And uh who knows? Because and I was a little even more annoyed because I was I was realizing, oh, if if he would have walked, which it should have been a walk, then Tatis would have got up. And in my head, this is how broken of a pottery fan I am. Yeah. I was like, you know, Tatis probably would have fled.

SPEAKER_03 36:09

He can't miss.

SPEAKER_02 36:10

But at the same time, I was like, what if he walked it off? That would have been awesome.

SPEAKER_03 36:14

That would have been awesome to watch.

SPEAKER_02 36:15

And I think the DR would have beat Venezuela.

SPEAKER_03 36:17

It doesn't matter, it's all over with. I think when there's that's a that's an excellent point. I think that when something is made better because of human edge, yeah, I think we keep it human job. Yeah. But something like that, where like black is black and white is white, like that's a pitch, that's a ball. There shouldn't be any art to it. Yeah, I agree. That should be automated.

SPEAKER_00 36:42

One thing is that the case is a good thing.

SPEAKER_04 36:42

But once again, you need a common enemy.

SPEAKER_03 36:45

Okay, go ahead. If if it's like that's a horrible call, ref, then it's like, oh yeah, no, it's you think baseball fans, you think all baseball fans because there's so much stuff that's like the batting average is data, and freaking every catch you make is data, like numbers.

SPEAKER_02 37:02

This is this is the argument. Let's get rid of data. This is the argument that with the baseball thing is that my Brad Pitt for that one. My brother in law always says, and he listens to this podcast, so hey Jake. Uh he his uh argument is like, hey, if you if you automate, like if you if you use these perfect scenarios, right? You use an automatic ball ball strike system, and you let's just say you even have cameras that will slow down safe and out calls and will give you like the precise, you know, with everything. He's like, you could basically just basically he thinks like you're just you're just what you could just simulate the game at that point.

SPEAKER_03 37:37

The human aspect is the pitch and the hit.

SPEAKER_02 37:39

See, that's what I think. That's I think I think I think at its at its purest form when all the calls are being made, like let's just say we had a way that you absolutely knew that this was gonna be the call. I'm sorry. I know, I know well let's just say there was a way that you could absolutely you would know you could know for a fact that this is the call no matter what, right? Like, then you're watching pure talent. Yeah, watching, you're watching the batter and the pitcher really go at it because you know that every call in the strike zone, every call outside of the strike zone, and every call when you steal a bag is right no matter what. There's no subjectiveness to it. You there's no way to know that.

SPEAKER_03 38:15

Then it just is based on if he can get to the base on time. Right. If he can catch the ball. Oh, if he can't, then it's out. If he can, then it's in.

SPEAKER_02 38:22

Now, defense to Jake is he's a math teacher. So it's statistically, he's like, he's looking, he looks a lot, he likes the statistics of sports where it's like, you know, you look at guys' stats and you go, like, oh, like you look at Fernando, you could probably make a decent guess on Fernando's season.

SPEAKER_03 38:36

But you also can't, because halfway through the season he starts, you know, thinking about his yacht or whatever, and he's like, not just not hitting balls.

SPEAKER_02 38:43

Yeah, right. So I I'm with you. I'm just saying the the the thought.

SPEAKER_03 38:49

I get it, because I also love stuff that's like kind of loosey-goosey. Like I love um obviously I'm a musician and I like live music that's like different every time, and you know, there's like artists that will play to tracks, and I think that's very polished, but I also like artists that don't, that they just play kind of like jazz, and it's like its own, you know, human experience thing. I I value that stuff pretty highly, and I think sports has a lot of that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 39:18

And I and then the thing about sports, and I was just thinking about this because uh, you know, we're upcoming up again the season. I'm like, the thing about sports for me, I mean, with baseball, because I'm a I'm primarily a baseball fan, like I'll watch football, whatever, but it's like the it's just like the magic, like the moments, yeah, right? Like you never forget these moments that happen in baseball where you go, like, if there was something, like if anything was off by a millimeter, this moment would never happen. Yeah, like I feel that way, and it's unfortunately starting to feel like not unfortunately, it's starting, but realistically starting to feel like routine having Tatisan right because like last year he stole like five home runs. Yeah, but every time you see it, it's like what how is like how is he doing that? Like though he times a jump, he grabs a ball, and like what would have been a home run fully changes the game. Changes the whole game.

SPEAKER_03 40:07

Oh, yeah. There's so many tactile parts of baseball that why do you need an extra like baseball gets a bad rep, too? Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_02 40:16

Because people were saying like baseball is where I'm like, no other sport. No, no other sport. I mean, respectfully, you know, like I you might think this differently, but no other sport can you watch a game turn on like a moment's notice? You know what I'm saying? Like like football, I guess close games, you can maybe see that. But I'm like baseball, you like the like you just more recently in the last couple years, that that picture that they brought up um for the minors before the DH rule came in or the DH thing came in, didn't he rape? He came up to pitch the game and he hit a freaking grand slam. We we turned the game around, we can't won. It was like he was like, Oh yeah, I've never I haven't hit a home run in ten years. I had no idea I could even do it. I'm like, that's baseball.

SPEAKER_03 41:01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:02

Awesome.

SPEAKER_03 41:04

Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 41:06

Baseball, sports, sports.

SPEAKER_03 41:09

I'm I'm down with AI. Yep. Down with AI. I like pretty much everything.

SPEAKER_02 41:16

Like go outside.

SPEAKER_03 41:18

If you want it, you gotta go use it in the yard. I and we're not using it. I have chat GBT on all my phones. You got it rolling on everything. See? I'm like, I don't I don't know if I want to give up this phone. I'm like, this is my one safe space at the moment. You know, who cares? Sorry guys, I'm kind of working on like a residual cough thing.

SPEAKER_02 41:39

Kenneth cough.

SPEAKER_03 41:42

It'd be like that sometimes. I got the croup. Hey everybody, what the podcast is brought to you by our Patreon. Hey, Patreon supporter. Big hand go that to you. Folks, every single week we do an extra episode of this podcast called the Post Show. We get a little deeper into the nuts and bolts of everything. We post it on our Patreon. In order to get access to that, you're gonna have to be a Patreon supporter. Four dollars a month is gonna get you. I gotta sneeze.$4 a month supports us on Patreon. You giving up on it? I I had to sneeze. It totally messed up my flow. It was a good ad read up until that point. Um shout out to our Patreon supporters. Thank you guys. Keeping the lights on, keeping the cameras rolling. Hey, and if uh you want to watch the post show, head on down the link in the bio. Any last words?

SPEAKER_04 42:39

This show's a suicide migraine, I'll tell you that. Alright.

SPEAKER_03 42:41

Well, I feel like a little personally. So much that makes me you want to kill yourself? On the couches of the wheels. And it's Ghost Government. I'm Ryan. I'm John. And I'll see you next week. Come on. What the pop I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 43:14

Never come on the mind.

SPEAKER_04 43:22

Oh, let the camera's turn off first.