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Applause applause plums from the crime applause. Go ahead. Hi everybody, welcome back. To our little corner of the internet here. Yes. On the YouTubes. To what the podcast. Thank you, thank you. Settle down, everybody. Settle down. I haven't even introduced everybody yet. I'm Ryan.

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I'm John.

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Together we are.

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Ryan and John.

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Okay. Do you want to run that back?

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Sorry, sorry. I'm really sorry. I'm back now. Hey mom back.

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Yeah, missed Adam is free uh grooming. The free grooming of it all.

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No, the recent death is all. So we'll get to it in a minute. Alright, we'll get to it in a minute.

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In the blue that has always my lovely wife, Kara DeFoyda. Joining us again this week is Annie the Scove Scoveman.

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Oh wow.

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Always fresh, never frozen.

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You know what? I just wore my clip that has that on it. I have a hair clip that says always fresh, never frozen. And I forget about it, honestly. I forget about those clips all the time. And I was wearing it and someone goes, What's your clip mean?

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Always fresh, never frozen.

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And I I in one set says always fresh. So one set just said never frozen.

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Never frozen.

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And she's like, What's your clip mean? And I was like, Oh, it's it's this thing. My friend introduces me like that, like, oh Annie, always fresh, never frozen. And she goes, Oh, I thought you were like about organic food or something. And I said Never frozen. I mean Yeah, like Wendy's. Yeah.

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Like Wendy's. Always fresh, never frozen. Organic. Never frozen. Where does that come from? I don't know why I started saying that.

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Is it Wendy's? Yeah, I feel like it's a it's a seafood thing.

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People always put it on stuff, but I don't even know how it got into my lexicon.

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Because that's Wendy's whole thing, is they're like, we don't freeze our meat. It's awesome.

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I love that.

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Can you fix our camera?

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We're tilty.

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Tilty?

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Honestly, I was saying we were less tilty than normal. There we go. Okay, right.

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Alright. Come on. Now that we've drawn attention to it. Tilt. Um, folks, I want to remind you the show is brought to you by Patreon. Head on down the link in the bio. Become a Patreon supporter now. Four dollars a month, get you access to uh the post show.

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Now for the news. Oh my god. Sorry, sorry.

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I just opened my phone just a moment ago to get started, as I usually do, and I just saw that um Kyle Bush passed away. He's a two-time NASCAR uh champion.

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Yeah.

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And Annie, you kind of know him, have connections to him?

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My cousin raised NASCAR. And so I was just like my family, other families have like the football game on or the baseball game. My family has NASCAR on. Sure. Like that's just what if you're at grandma and grandpa's house, the race is on. Whoever's race. And then it truly is one of the most boring sports in the world to watch on TV. Left turn. Because you're just you're not even really watching the turns. You're watching for the ticker tape for the name that you're looking for and where they're at. And then you're like, oh, Bush was right there. Oh my gosh, what happened? Oh, he must have gone in for a pit stop. Oh, he's back. Oh, now he's fine.

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When you're watching it, do you put on the voice a little bit? Yeah. Yeah.

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No, I feel like when I'm with my grandparents, my grandparent, my grandpa, his family's from Arkansas. He's from Alpine. He really doesn't have an accent. Right. But when I'm with him, I develop whatever accent he does have. Sure, sure. He has an Alpine accent that I think he's made up himself. But like to the point where I would go and talk to them and then I'd talk to my parents on my phone. And my parents would be like, oh, you were hanging out with grandma and grandpa, huh? Because I'd come out with some weird like fake accents.

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I think the accent comes out a lot of different ways.

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Yeah. Nothing wrong with that. I have an alpine accent. I've just I've decided.

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Okay. Yeah. I like it. I respect that.

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Um, but yeah, Kyle Bush died, which is really sudden. Really sad. There it it was he's 41. He has a family. His his brother also, his brother Kurt Bush also raced. Um my cousin raced at the same time as him. So it was just kind of like a it's one of those weird things, like a side character in your life that you're like, oh sure. Like, what do you what do you mean they're gone now? What? Like, and it's crazy. They we were just looking into it and he died from a sinus infection.

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Pneumonia, double pneumonia.

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Double pneumonia that turned into double pneumonia that he kept racing through.

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Sad.

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And that's just wild. They think that the G force in the car just you know what's that called? Not not exasperated it. What's that called? Yeah. Yeah, exasperated? Like made it bigger. Yeah, made it worse. True. Made it worse. Hey, made it worse. Thanks. But yeah, that's just so that's really sad.

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Take it as an opportunity to, you know, slow down.

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Slow down. When you're actually ill. I I've been thinking about this. When you don't should have fluids in your sinuses. He's about to be a big thing. That's too close to your brain. Too close to your brain. Yeah. And I guess he called, he realized almost basically too late, and he was in the cockpit of his car and said, like, hey, I need like a medic to meet me at my.

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It said he asked for a shot during the race. Steroid shot. A shot of something.

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Probably they probably were giving him like not an well, probably like an anahistamines.

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Like steroids, right? Like yeah.

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Well, you didn't, and that's all it is. They were probably given anahistamines, and they probably were giving him in a shot form just to make it go into like to fetch faster. Crazy. Not so sad.

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Really sad, and I know you actually know this person, but it is. I personally don't know him. My family member doesn't know. Well, family member, I know it's you you like know of him because of family members, but I it's the most anything for Ryan to read a random news title interview to be like, oh my gosh.

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Yeah, I don't know why Kyle Bush. When I saw NASCAR, I just vaguely know that Annie is connected to NASCAR. So I was like, eh, maybe she knows this person.

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No, it's actually so like one of the most famous deaths in NASCAR is Dale Dale Earnhardt. Dale Earnhardt Jr. But Dale Earnhardt Jr. Yeah, senior died. Yeah. Um, and my cousin raced for junior's team.

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Okay.

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And when he got married, he ended up walking away from NASCAR. And he's like, Oh, at his wedding, I was like, cool, like, I gotta make it out to your race. He's like, Yeah, I only have a couple left. And it was fully because he saw and like got to know got to know Dale Dale Earnhardt Jr. and just like what the effect of like losing a father in that way. And he was like, Yeah, I'm getting married, I'm starting a family. What happened? He got in a car crash now.

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Didn't Dale Earnhardt Jr. walk away as well? Or does he still run away?

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No, he might I thought I heard he I think he might have retired now, but he his their um his niece is starting to race.

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Oh wow.

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It's a whole they're a whole racing family. Um but he my cousin raced for his team. So he raced on the same uh team as Danica Patrick.

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That's cool that I mean I know it's probably a little bit sad for him, but it's cool that he made that decision, you know.

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Yeah, and now he's now he has two beautiful boys and they walks away on his own terms, kind of you know his wife and him move back here and they get to be here with all their both of their families are here. So they they're living life, they love it. They have a farm.

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Taylor and Harn Jr. Still alive. 51 years old.

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Yeah.

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He's a teenager. That's uh being serious.

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Yes, I'm being serious.

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That's always strange to me when somebody that does something so like high, like fast-paced and dangerous, like dies of illness like that. Like, yeah, a sinus infection gone bad. Totally. Yeah.

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Actually, I take that back. Okay. The most I know about it would be Cars too. Well, the equivalent of the safety.

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There's three there's three cars. Right.

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Boat racing. Yeah, did you ever go to like down to the bay where they did boat racing? No. My friend from elementary school, who was my best friend growing up, her uncle was a racer, and it was a big thing. We'd all go down. I'd go down with her family and we'd watch. And it literally was like the same thing as cars going around and run, but it wasn't speed boats.

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Isn't it so funny? Because in my mind, I'm like, fake, fake sport, boat racing.

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It was it was the same as when I was a boat, just NASCAR. It was the same as when you see a NASCAR car flip out, the boat that would flip out, and you're not gonna go.

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It is crazy, though. I, my high school boyfriend, the the first time I ever invited like a guy I was dating over to like meet my parents.

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Nice, it was NASCAR.

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He comes over and my mom's like, Oh, like we're watching the race. Like, your cousin's racing, we're watching the race, he can come watch the race. And we're sitting there, and it was like a three-car pile, it was a huge crash. And we sat down and all this action happened, and I had to be because I was like, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, we're gonna watch this race. And they she didn't like she didn't make us, we like opted to do it, you know. And he was so funny, he was like, Yeah, I told my mom I'm coming over to my girlfriend's house in Alpine to go watch the NASCAR race. Like, it's the most redneck thing I've ever heard of. And it was this really like exciting race to watch because there's all this action, and I was like, This is not normal. Normally they truly just turn left and then it ends.

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You should have sold it better. Like, yeah, this is just like the kind of fast-paced life, that's what we do around here. Welcome to the sport, y'all. Something that just resurfaced in my life this week was um this there's this video that I think about all the time, and it's like it's these men sitting around playing cards, but it's the night that Princess Diana died. Have you seen this video? Yeah, maybe we talked about it on the podcast before. I don't know. But it just resurfaced for me, and and it's like these four they're obviously all gay men, and they're like joking and playing, and they're like, Okay, so we're just sitting around right now, and we're seeing on the news, like, um There's a card. What's his name? Dotie, right? The the guy that she was with, her her lover. Yeah. He he just there's there's just reporting that he passed away, and Princess Diana has seriously been injured, and they're just kind of talking and still playing and like just like handicam like footage, and then it's like recording them all when they see it on the news, like, oh my gosh, Princess Diana dead. Look, oh my gosh, they all start freaking out, and then the rest of the video is kind of just them sitting in silence, watching the news and like crying, and obviously she was like such a huge um you know thing for for gay culture and like acceptance of during the AIDS epidemic and everything, and so it's just like this really somber moment. But I was like thinking about how you kind of we don't really have that anymore, like that is such an artifact, that video, and now it's like everybody's filming all the time, everything, and you don't it's like you don't get that same juzge anymore. Yeah, but I don't know, yeah, just interesting.

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There was this museum, it's no longer there, but it was called the New Zeum. The museum, and it was in Washington, DC, and it was all about journalism, and they had like the most prolific like newspaper covers, like original copies of new paper newspaper covers from the last hundred years on display, and then they had a bunch of footage like that of like they had the top of the tower from 9-11, and they had all these like all these prolific moments of news history on like on display, and through it they would have like news clips and stuff, and it was that it was so interesting because it was like, man, these were times where really this was what was capturing history. Yeah, instead of scrolling through a million angles of the same event, which is crazy.

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Oh, yeah. Nowadays it's like, okay, here's you know, the get get you know, swipe, here's the angle from over there, here's what the person was doing.

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Sometimes things happen so fast, like the um Islamic shooting that happened recently. I've literally only seen the video of the kid two the the video of everyone evacuating, running down the street, and then the video of a guy who is crossing the street with his stroller and his baby, the gunshots from the car happen right behind him. Dang, and he runs and he like hits the curb and the stroller goes down. He like picks up his stroller and his kid and he runs away. Yeah, I've only I had to do it. That happened so quick. So it was that I've only seen those two.

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Yeah, that's the thing. I don't think there is at least that I've seen of videos of the actual shooting. Yeah.

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Really sad moment this week. Yeah, it happened at the Islamic uh community center right in Kearney Mesa. Like we're I feel like we're in that part of town all the time, like right over there.

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Yeah, west, yeah, east, west, yeah. Yeah, um yeah, really sad. It was two teenage boys. Yeah, and the mom called the police when she noticed that her car was gone.

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Well, one of them was a girl, right? I think it was a teenage girl. She was a wrestler. Oh.

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I don't know.

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I saw she like in high school, she was a wrestler. I know someone else, I don't know.

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Two teenagers who had like known affiliations with like neo-Nazi propaganda, and um the mom saw her car was missing, called the police and said, You need to like find them, and like my car's missing, and the guns are missing. Yeah, like trying like it's it's so hard because it's like doing everything right, right? In the sense of like the moment you notice something's wrong, you call the police, you notify them, like be on the lookout, be you know.

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And I mean the guns were easily accessible to the kids, they knew where they were. I don't know. That that to me goes like she'll probably get tried for neglect or whatever, but yeah.

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I mean, I don't know if she called. I don't know. Abonning your gun is isn't it?

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I don't know if you get tried for neglect for that if you called the cops already, like right when you figure out.

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Maybe if you notice that your kid is a neo-Nazi.

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If there was yeah, signs of pattern of behavior. Who knows?

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Yeah, but she she was out of high school. She's an adult. They're like all adults.

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I thought we were high schoolers. No, they're high schoolers. Yeah, the mom will definitely serve time in seven remote.

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If they're 17 or 18, they're getting tried as adults. Oh, for sure. But she but she might also be in trouble. They killed themselves.

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They were two of the There were five total casualties, two of them.

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Oof. Yeah, that's rough. That was when my dad was on duty. He like that was a lot of his job was guarding a lot of the temples around town.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, and it's I go to a the Jewish community center. Like, that's the gym that's I've talked about it. I go to Jefferson, I go to the She couldn't wait to talk about it. Um, but we have an armed guard in the parking lot. Yeah.

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And it was only after like something happened, like this happened, it would be the next week my dad would be stationed at like some other temple in the town.

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But I had heard that that's they also had an armed guard in that. Sure. That was one of the casualties. Um But my when I went into the gym the next day, they had like a station for the kids to draw and write notes for the Sonic Center, and they they bring him over. And it's just so it's just so sad. And it's it's senseless violence.

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And I mean it was it's such a suburban area too. Yeah, but Yeah.

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What do you mean?

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You literally pass the center and then you're in like suburbia houses and like it's never stopped hate before.

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No, totally.

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I was talking to people today who are running, they're going and doing um a camp for kids in Ukraine.

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Okay.

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And they were like talking about it today at this meeting I was at, and they were saying, like, yeah, and you know, just to be praying for us because we don't know what communication looks like, and we've tried to pick the safest spot that we know of, but like it has been bombed and there is a risk, and we're gonna have 1,500 kids here. And so we don't know what's gonna happen, and we're gonna be there for two weeks, and we don't know. We're like, we can fly, we're gonna fly in and out of Poland, but the moment our plane lands in Poland that we enter Ukraine, like we can't guarantee that anyone will hear from us. Wow. But I was just like, that is terrifying. Like, and the fact that that is happening in the world. Like, this is just crazy.

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Crazy.

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Crazy.

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I've been thinking about it a lot. I uh I got to feel my daughter kick this week. What? Pretty awesome. Yeah, yeah. Oh my god. I actually got kicked in the face. If you can believe it. I put my face on belly and belly, face on belly.

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Yeah, face was on belly, and then the foot was on face. Every time he tried to feel her kick, she'd stop. Well, yeah, so I'd tell him I was like, nope. She she stopped. Yeah, jacked in this year. He got lucky.

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Boom. I don't know. Yeah, like I I feel like I've been thinking about that a lot and like the world that we're bringing our daughter into, and I don't know. I I'd pretty easily spin out on stuff like that, like having to explain certain things and like what kids are like capable of understanding, and like I don't know. Just interesting.

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Yeah. It is crazy to think like, yeah, what what there's like no perfect science to it, right? Of like how do you explain war and grief and death to kids, but then at the same time, it's like, well, hopefully they don't have to experience that. But it's like, yeah, but it's it is the world.

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But that's the world, and yeah.

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Yeah. Also you you at some age you learn about it in history. Yeah. Well, and then that's a thing too, is it's like you don't want to be so desensitized to the fact that it's something in a page or in a video game. Like I think that's a thing too, is like you're playing these a lot of these kids are playing these not the video games at the culprit, but like they're playing these like you know, kill them video games at 7 a.m. before school, and they've never experienced any like grief or something.

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Yeah, they don't know if they're actually real.

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And then they're just like, oh, you know, and not to say that the kids that then take a gun to go kill their classmates don't know it's real. Like, you know.

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Because I was I was playing a lot of violent video games as a kid, but I didn't pan out to be one of those situations. But I got caught up this week because we were talking about I was like, we were talking about something happened in our neighborhood. Somebody got stabbed. What? In Ocean Beach. Like shortly after we were down at the beach.

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Five minutes after we left the beach. And we were I did almost see a stabbing at Ocean Beach once. Did you? Yeah.

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We were talking about it kind of flippantly because we had seen it on our phone, like, oh, it was in the news. Like, we were like, oh my gosh, this happened like right after we left. And my niece was with us, and she was like, Wait, what happened? And I was like, Oh shoot, like she's nine, right? Yeah, she's young. Like to have to be like, Oh yeah, somebody got stabbed, you know.

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Did they die?

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I don't know if they died, but it was like a crime scene, and we were driving by and it was like really interesting to her.

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But I had the hazmat team already out scrubbing the sidewalk because there was blood on the sidewalk.

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But I felt this need to be like, oh, it's fine, like somebody got hurt, you know, but it's no big deal.

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But then she talks about seeing the homeless people around OB and all this stuff. So she kind of has to be aware of your environment where she lives.

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Yeah, I don't know. I don't because like how do you raise kids with empathy, exactly street smarts, I feel like I just remember being a kid that was very hyper aware of like if somebody like committed a crime or like if somebody got hurt, like I feel like I really remember being like, oh my gosh, like they're gonna go to jail, or like oh my gosh, that person died, like really bearing that, and that's something I probably am just Were you walking everywhere as a kid?

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Um, no, because I feel like now she like she's walking into OB, she's walking down there every day. So she she has to be aware, yeah. Right.

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Yeah, just fine, but I guess yeah, I don't know. Do you know do you kind of get what I'm saying, other Dan? What do you think about all of that?

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Yeah, I mean, I think you know, you it's it's it's a fine line of like wanting to protect your kids, but the reality is like I I and I think about this a lot in a lot of other subjects of uh the idea of raising a child, and I'm like, you know, my parents for the most part they taught me like how to react in scenarios, but there were certain subjects as a child that like it was just kind of like they thought they were shielding me by not talking me through it. And and I think that um that's the part where when I reflect on like the dad I want to be, I'm like and then I also kind of go back and forth. I'm like, I don't want to be the dad who's like who's like running interference on everything. I think there's value in the world for some self-discovery. Um but at the same time I'm like the the stuff that's gonna hurt you or could change you or could, you know, I guess like alter your your psyche and your soul, I think it's important to get in front of that. Um yeah, I mean I I feel yeah, I mean it's like I do feel in the same way with my nephews and nieces, I've been doing that for a while, or it's like you know, you you you we're talking and these kids are getting older, and it's like you're talking about somebody who, you know, maybe h harmed themselves or or lost a baby, and or you know, even like even like a family member dying, like I remember when our neighbor, my my mom and dad live, the neighbor's mom died, and um it was like and it was kind of a long drawn-out thing, and it was like, Oh, Rick's mom finally died. And um, and uh Levi was like at the stage, it was only a year or two ago, so he was like, What happened? And then I mean his parents were like, Oh yeah, like he he died, and obviously they're you know, we're religious, so they were they were kind of like he's in you know she's in heaven, and but it was like very interesting to watch Levi a year. You know, he knows his relationship to his mom and how much he loves his mom. And so when you use the universal term like Rick's mom died, yeah, he was really kind of like sad. Yeah, he was like and he was like the first time I've ever seen him really empathetic and serious, and he's like, Oh man, that's super sad. Like he was like, That's really sad. And I was like, See, but that's just you don't teach kids that that's a human thing, you know. Like you you you have to un I mean I guess it's a good way to tell if you're just to get to psychopath. Yeah.

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And we definitely we definitely throw around maybe it's just on TikTok, really, but like this idea of like traumatizing a kid, sure, right? Is like so kind of thrown around like, oh, that's my trauma, or like I've traumatized or whatever. But I really do think about that, like, oh, like this kid being traumatized by seeing something or hearing something or learning about something, sure. And like holding on to that for a long time.

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Like I feel like that could be literally anything. Sure. I think about this a lot of like the good and like because we'll joke about it with like my family of like there's certain things that I remember so vividly. Like, and it'll be like times in which my parents were not, you know, it was not their shining moment, and my mom's always like, Of course you remember that. Of course you remember that. But there's like I I was thinking about it. It was like I have these like pockets of memories that like were literally just another day or another conversation, another argument for my parents with like me, but they are like moment by moment ingrained in my head, yeah. Versus in like the good, the bad, and the ugly, like all of them. I have great moments. But it's funny because I'm like, man, that's crazy that my brain remembered that. Yeah, remembered that moment that saying when it was just a Wednesday night after someone got it.

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Like remembering a specific she'll be like, Do you guys remember that one weekend back in 2008 when we went to that restaurant and we were sitting there and the person in the booth next to us, and my whole family was like, What are you talking about? And she's like, Yeah, I was wearing a gray shirt, and then but then you'll be like, Okay, do you remember you know this portion of time from X to X? She's like, No. No, no, but this one day, Kara kind of does that too.

SPEAKER_05 23:38

Well, yeah. I feel like as a kid, I was traumatized by myself.

SPEAKER_01 23:42

How about that?

SPEAKER_05 23:42

By my like my own like night like nightmares. Nightmares that was like what stuck.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

That was something that you dealt with for a long time, though. And night terrors. Yeah.

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Oh my gosh. Wait, what?

SPEAKER_05 23:53

We've talked about this.

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We've talked about Kara's Night Terrors. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But re-explain it.

SPEAKER_02 23:58

Every time you bring it up, the night terrors night terror.

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It feels like something we're like pushing away. Like, oh yeah, but that was Kara's night terror's time. Anyways.

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Talk about me traumatizing myself and then that being my mother's trauma was my night terrorist.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

Of you having your experiencing your daughter have night terrors. Yeah. You're like, you think that's bad. I was with the spiders the whole time.

SPEAKER_05 24:23

Oh, you were just with the screaming kid. I was with the screaming.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

I was with the boogeyman.

SPEAKER_05 24:28

Yeah, my it wasn't spiders. It was it was that. It was that and it was uh really what did the boogeyman look like? It was the it was a scary guy, and then it was it was six foot curly hair. I have two that I distinctly remember. And the second one was about Pokemon.

SPEAKER_03 24:42

There's a movie that I refuse to ever watch again that I don't think anyone should watch, but it's called Gerald's game. Baba Yaga. Is that the one where she's tied to the bed? Yes. Yeah, I hate that movie.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Is that where he's playing chess with himself? That's Jerry's game. Sorry, that was a Pixar short. Go on.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

Um But Gerald's game, but it the whole thing is like it's this guy that she thinks she's hallucinating and it ends up being real. That's my nightmare. Because she thinks it's like her mind having like a night terror from being like tie herself to the bed? No, no. Sure, her husband does, and then she's gonna be able to get it.

SPEAKER_02 25:14

And then he dies of a heart attack. Yeah, it's a heart attack.

SPEAKER_03 25:17

Handcuffed to the bed.

SPEAKER_02 25:20

And they're in like a remote area of the city.

SPEAKER_03 25:22

They have just gotten to the bed in the woods. Yes. Break the freaking phone.

SPEAKER_02 25:28

Oh, come on, it's solid mahogany. There's no shot. Rich handcuffed mahogany.

SPEAKER_03 25:32

And then she starts hallucinating her abusive husband, basically, and then hallucinating herself. Yeah. And so it's like, how are you gonna get out? And then the guy starts like appearing in the show.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

It's kind of like an escapy fringe guy that like.

SPEAKER_03 25:45

But he's like he's like, That's I don't have to see it. No, don't want to see it, but don't see it. And it's kind of like then you know, and remember how it ends?

SPEAKER_01 25:52

How does it end, Danny? She gets out.

SPEAKER_03 25:54

Well, yeah, she I've heard I gets out, and then he sees him before, and he's like, And he gets caught in in the whole thing is she she walks out. Yeah, don't spoilers for Gerald's game, I guess. I'm not gonna tell all the details.

SPEAKER_02 26:05

15-year-old movie, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 26:07

She walks out of the house, she like she like cuts, she breaks a glass to cut her wrist to make it slippery enough, I think, for her to like slip her hand out.

SPEAKER_02 26:14

Okay, trigger warning.

SPEAKER_03 26:15

And she self-harm world, she gets out and he's like waiting there for her. And she walks straight up to him and she's like, You're not real, you're made of moonlight. But then there was something that like he had taken. So it's her whole time when she's like goes to intensive therapy and everything, she thinks he's fake, but she they could never find her wedding ring or something. Yeah. And then he gets caught. Turns out he's real. She goes to court and she sees him in court, and he's like, Oh, moonlight, moonlight, like that.

SPEAKER_02 26:44

He's like, he's like a child, like like in my opinion, he's like this really huge character, and he kind of has like special needs. Like he's really delayed, like he doesn't understand. Yeah, no, it's it's kind of like a it's not malicious, it's more like he's just a gentle joke.

SPEAKER_03 26:58

They were trying to make him kind of like a Boo Radley. Yes. Like this ominous figure, you know. Badly.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

Well, I guess I won't be saying that. No, don't see it. There's no.

SPEAKER_03 27:08

It is dramatized. There's a whole portion I'm leaving out. That is the reason that I'm not.

SPEAKER_02 27:11

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The whole the whole thing is still shocking if you watched it. But yeah, I mean, I think about I think about my, you know, in the on the back on the topic of parents, I'm like terrors. You know, some of these things I feel like, you know, you I I'm realizing that I want to be a better version parent for my kids, but I'm also learning to cope with the idea that there will there will probably be things that I think I'm doing well that I that I don't. Sure. And like I think every I think every generation there's something uh the you know, maybe it it probably varies in like intensity, you know. Like there are probably little things that your parents say that you're like, I'm probably not gonna do that, you know.

SPEAKER_03 27:52

The goalpost changes.

SPEAKER_02 27:53

Exactly. And I think the the the the difference between the the difference you can make in the parent you are versus the parents your parents were is uh learning how to cope with it. I think like my parents still to this day would defend that like they were just trying their best. And they and they and they don't and I don't think that they have a lot of resolve around it. So I'm working towards the resolve of like I'm gonna do the very best and I'm gonna and I know that there are gonna be things when my kids are adults that they go back and go, yeah, I really don't, I'm not gonna do that when I'm a parent. And I and I I'm I'm learning to be resolved about that as best I can.

SPEAKER_01 28:27

Well, like open-handedly.

SPEAKER_03 28:29

There's a saying that we have when it comes to like trauma-informed care of the minors that I work with, and those are kids in like foster care experiencing traumas like that. And it's relationship is where true healing comes. Like they don't need more services, they need more relationships. And I think that's true for people with their parents as you see these people who are like, which granted, and I'm I'm gonna say, like, I've been very lucky that I have loving parents that even we now have a relationship, and when like when things kind of get brought up that we can kind of talk about it, and that they're they're like humble enough to be like, oh yeah, like we're sorry about that, or like to say, like, oh, this was why we did that, or this is you know, and for me too, to say, like, hey, I was a crappy kid at time. Sorry about that. Hey, my bad.

SPEAKER_02 29:12

Um, that's on me.

SPEAKER_03 29:14

But because there are some people who like truly the safest option is to remove themselves from their family, and I can I stand by that if that is what safety is for you. But I do think that like in the healing of these traumas and stuff like that, it's important to have a relationship, whether it be with family members or close friends or any like just having people that you can like lean on and that are consistent. Like, and so I think when you're looking at parenting, like if you just focus more on the relationship you have with your kid versus the like I want to make sure that these rules are followed or these are implemented, like that's gonna go further to like uphold your relationship with your child versus whatever you know parenting method you're trying to keep up with.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

Totally.

SPEAKER_03 29:56

The gentle parenting, the spanking of it all, the whatever it's like an honest true relationship with your child is gonna be more healing to whatever whatever mess ups you're bound to have.

SPEAKER_01 30:05

Yeah, the spanking of it all, probably.

SPEAKER_03 30:06

Well, yeah, or like just the falling of the table. The falling off a table. The falling off a table, the like getting hurt, the the getting yelled at because you were being stupid. Like Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

No, Kara fell off a table. Oh, you're not sure. She's talked about that on the podcast before.

SPEAKER_03 30:21

Oh, as a child? Well, I don't know. I don't know what kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

Hey, by the way, you're one of these days your kid's gonna roll off something, or you and you're gonna feel like the absolute worst, and then you you have to realize it happens. It happens, they're bouncy, and it it babies are resilient for that reason.

SPEAKER_03 30:36

And the doctor's hard to break.

SPEAKER_02 30:38

The doctor said babies are made out of rubber for a reason because we don't know what we're doing. And I thought that was pretty funny. I'm like, it's true. I mean, it is to some degree.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

Not really something you want to hear from a medical professional, but break a baby's bones. Yeah, it is kind of messed up that the on air sign's been off this entire time. I will say that the entire time the on air sign has been off. Okay, so we can start over. So we're gonna start.

SPEAKER_02 31:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 31:00

How much time we got? We got like ten more minutes.

SPEAKER_02 31:04

Okay. I don't know if I should blast into my not my knock.

SPEAKER_01 31:07

Oh, blast into your thing. This this is perfect time for that.

SPEAKER_02 31:09

Yes. So I I saw that you're drinking Diet Coke, and I for the podcast I said disinformation around Diet Coke gets me every time. And what I mean by that, okay, is that I saw a reel or some some form of short form content that was like a doctor talking about how Diet Coke's not bad for you. And I feel like I feel like I g every year it changes. Like I feel like s like You've been told it's bad for you? Yes, I thought the aspartame's not good for you.

SPEAKER_01 31:43

Oh, it's not.

SPEAKER_03 31:44

I think copious amounts. If you've switched out water diet coke, yeah, it's not good for you.

SPEAKER_01 31:49

You've seen the double big gulp at 7-Eleven? That's not good for you? I feel that that's not good for you. The double big gulp.

SPEAKER_05 31:55

Well the guy was saying on the real base at least zero calories, zero sugar.

SPEAKER_01 32:00

Well, see, that's the problem, is the misinformation.

SPEAKER_02 32:02

And the guy was saying that misinformation. You can have up to like based on your body, uh, based off his body side, he was like 210. He's like, I have in order for it become to become dangerous levels, I have to have like 29 diet cokes a day. Who's saying regularly? This is like a doctor that I was talking about. And he's like, the sugar and the caffeine is worse for your body than the aspartame is.

SPEAKER_05 32:22

How much aspartame is bad for you?

SPEAKER_02 32:24

Aspartane? Aspartame.

SPEAKER_03 32:27

Aspartame, that's British, I feel like. Aspartame.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

Aspartine.

SPEAKER_05 32:31

40 to 50 milligrams per kilogram of body weight per day. That's what you're doing. To exceed this limit, you would have to consume roughly nine to fifteen cans of diet. So you know, guys, or 70 plus sweetener packets. There you go. So you're people who are doing opening 70 sweetened lows and eating that in one day, and that's bad for you. Guys, people in the Midwest don't have things to do. That's what they do.

SPEAKER_03 32:53

They have 27 copies.

SPEAKER_02 32:57

Soda soda to do Diet Coke.

SPEAKER_03 32:59

You should do Diet Coke. I love Diet Coke.

SPEAKER_02 33:01

But then I'm like, is that better for me or worse for me than the two or three coffees? I have it in the city.

SPEAKER_03 33:05

Oh, it's probably honestly.

SPEAKER_01 33:06

What else is in Diet Coke? Because isn't it all in the framing? Like, of course, that amount of aspartame would be bad for you. But what other stuff is in it?

SPEAKER_03 33:14

Well, why don't you hit Coke to Zero? Or do you like the taste of Diet Coke? You don't even remember. It's been so long. The ingredients in Diet Coke. Give it to me.

SPEAKER_01 33:23

Oh God. Oh God.

SPEAKER_03 33:25

Oh God. Hold on.

SPEAKER_01 33:26

What about overturns?

SPEAKER_02 33:27

I want to do a soda tasting, like you know that they do on TikTok where they can do the guy that drinks all the yellow drinks.

SPEAKER_01 33:33

You know what I'm talking about? The guy that drinks all the drinks, blind tasting.

SPEAKER_05 33:36

He blind tastes colored drinks. You know, you know, he gets to guess what color it is. Yeah. No one gets to drink guess what drink it is.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

No, he's drinking like it's like all today. I'm I'm telling you blind tasting green drinks. And they did brown drinks and they put soy sauce in it. And the guy was like, oh my god!

SPEAKER_05 33:53

They did pink ones and there's pepper.

SPEAKER_02 33:55

Do you any of you watch um she's a content creator called Susie? She was like uh she did the horngree segment where she was like she was just like she does like a cooking segment segment, but she's like, Are you horngree or whatever? You know, you didn't see her.

SPEAKER_03 34:08

And it was like it was like sexy cooking or what? Yeah, it was like such she like made suggestive stuff like throughout the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 34:14

Yeah, but say it one more time.

SPEAKER_01 34:16

What was the series?

SPEAKER_02 34:17

I'm not saying it anymore.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

She was horn grip.

SPEAKER_03 34:19

Okay, my corny hungry? Yes. My sexy hockey books seem real normal compared to his.

SPEAKER_02 34:26

Are you watching the horngree girl? Listen. And then she's sorry, I'm sorry, good. What I was trying to get at is she she she fit like had an accident last December where she fell off of a golf cart and she got a TBI. She can't taste or smell still to this day. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 34:39

And she's like a the whole That's really bad for her brand.

SPEAKER_01 34:42

You guys know what TBIs are?

SPEAKER_03 34:43

It's a traumatic brain injury. No, a traumatic brain injury. Oh so it could be multiple things.

SPEAKER_02 34:47

And so hit the brain. And it's like anytime you have an impact in your head, you can you're out of danger of having severity. But anyway, she can't taste or smell. Well, her whole thing was like she cooked on the internet. Like she like made she made stuff.

SPEAKER_03 34:59

Or smell. She's gonna be so skinny.

SPEAKER_02 35:00

So she was saying, um, food for food, you know. She tried hungry. She tried.

SPEAKER_03 35:06

Yeah, but you don't have to care about what it is. I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_02 35:07

You're saying a different thing into this. That is not a part of it. She tried uh she tried the blind drink tasting thing, and she was like, I think I can do it. And she couldn't get any of them. And she's like, This is actually making me really sad. She's like, Why did I think I could do this? Oh my god. It was so sad. I was like, Oh, that's such a sad way, like, trend, a way to do the trend. It's so sad. But yeah, I I want to try the the blind tasting thing. I I don't think I don't think I'd be very good at it.

SPEAKER_05 35:31

I want to do the blind tasting with like Coke and Pepsi products. Yeah. Like let's do Coke, Diet Coke, regular Coke, Coke Zero, Diet Pepsi, regular Pepsi. Now, I learned looked at the difference between Coke Zero and Diet Coke.

SPEAKER_03 35:45

That's worse. Coke Zero is worse for you.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

See, that's Google is so perfect. See, that's why Diet Coke bad for you. Google can be No, I'm saying you can find the answer you're looking for by just framing it into Google. I typed in why is Diet Coke bad for you? And it says frequent consumption can negatively impact your metabolism, your dental health, and your cardiovascular system.

SPEAKER_06 36:07

Whatever.

SPEAKER_01 36:07

That right there is a reason to never drink Diet Coke. If you want, if you want to, you know, hurt your heart, if you want to freaking because does it Diet Coke have um it has caffeine in it? Yeah. How much caffeine's bad for you?

SPEAKER_03 36:19

Bad for your teeth. I know that Diet Coke's really bad.

SPEAKER_01 36:21

I know we're I know I'm drinking way too much caffeine. How much caffeine is bad for you? But you know.

SPEAKER_03 36:26

I know I'd be popping caffeine pills. You are?

SPEAKER_01 36:30

400 milligrams a day of caffeine in the case.

SPEAKER_05 36:35

I thought about it the other day. Okay, you can't talk about caffeine because you have thought so much coffee all day long. It's definitely past your max. Oh, yeah, you. Yeah, you, your values.

SPEAKER_01 36:43

That's not a part of the conversation. What I'm saying is you can frame information however you like. You can be like, actually, Diet Coke's really good for you because aspartame is is more healthy than sugar. But then I can be like, actually, you're consuming way too much caffeine, so nobody should be drinking Diet Coke. You know, it's just like picking and choosing what information it presents.

SPEAKER_02 37:01

And that's what I'm saying about the whole conversation around Diet Coke, is like I feel like every couple of months the pendulum swings in the other direction, where it's like, oh, it's not good for you. And then it's like, well, it's not as bad. And I feel like there's so much noise around whether, and I know generally and I think it's because it's diet. I think everyone agrees that regular soda is like in large consumption or even any consumption is.

SPEAKER_01 37:22

Well, even that is a branding thing that seems like, oh, diet coke, the healthy Coke option. If I'm gonna go for one of those and I want to be healthy, I'm going Diet Coke. But that word is like doesn't even really mean anything. What does it mean? No sugar?

SPEAKER_05 37:36

Do you want to know the difference between a normal Coke and a Diet Coke?

SPEAKER_01 37:38

Give it to me. Sugar.

SPEAKER_05 37:40

Diet Coke has zero of everything.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

Diet Coke has zero of it. It's a completely different caffeine.

SPEAKER_03 37:44

It's a completely different formula. Well, so that's the difference between not going by caffeine. Coke zero.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

That's what I'm saying. Is like it has zero of everything.

SPEAKER_05 37:54

What about carbs?

SPEAKER_01 37:55

What does that matter?

SPEAKER_05 37:56

A regular can of Coke has 39 grams of carbs. 39.

SPEAKER_01 38:04

What I'm saying is we have all this information. You have to decipher what that information means.

SPEAKER_02 38:10

What is 39 in regular food?

SPEAKER_01 38:11

If I'm gonna drink one soda a day. But I'm not on the Atkins down. I'm not cutting carbs. I don't care. I'll take the carbs over the aspartame because I don't want to consume aspartame, right? Yeah, true. I want real sugar. I'm going for a cooking, do you see what I'm doing?

SPEAKER_05 38:31

Coke in America, bad. It's still not real sugar. It's processed sugar. Yeah, sure. You gotta get a Mexican Coke.

SPEAKER_01 38:38

And that's and that's what I'm getting at is the Mexicans, they're doing Coke the right way.

SPEAKER_03 38:44

They're doing Coke the right way.

SPEAKER_01 38:47

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SPEAKER_01 39:31

Become a supporter. $4 a month. You spend way more on stupider stuff every week. Why not spend it on what the podcast? Guys, now I kind of feel like I need a Coke after that. Crispy Coca-Cola. A little square of uh little squeeze of lemon in there. Oh, awesome. That'd be awesome. Let's do that.

SPEAKER_05 39:54

The way the Europeans do it.

SPEAKER_01 39:57

Yeah, European, more like. After all these cokes. Okay. On the couch as always, characterhoy. And it's Ghost Government. I'm Ryan. I'm John. And we'll see you next week on What the Podcast! Hey. How much ke how much caffeine is in a shot of espresso?

SPEAKER_05 40:19

75 milligrams.

SPEAKER_01 40:21

63 milligrams.

SPEAKER_05 40:22

Hey computer.

SPEAKER_01 40:24

How much caffeine in one Coke?

SPEAKER_03 40:26

35. Hey computer.

SPEAKER_01 40:28

32. So it's like two cokes.