Another Mans Shoes
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Another Mans Shoes
From Combat to Civvy Street: Kicking Off Season 3 of Another Man's Shoes
At last, we’re back with the much-awaited third season of "Another Man's Shoes"! This episode marks our triumphant return after a hiatus and we couldn't be more excited. Join me and my new co-host, Martin Cartwright, as we recount our journeys from military service to civilian life, offering invaluable advice and support to our listeners navigating similar paths. We hint at some riveting upcoming guests from both military and civilian backgrounds, including elite forces members, guaranteeing a season brimming with compelling stories and essential takeaways.
Our conversation kicks off with a deep dive into Martin’s military career, starting from early days at basic training in Pirbright back in 2003. We navigate through the trials of becoming a paratrooper and the missions in Kosovo and Afghanistan. We also break down the differences between the Royal Artillery and Royal Horse Artillery, providing clarity on their distinct roles and equipment. The episode vividly portrays the dedication and resilience demanded in military life, making it a must-listen for anyone curious about the intricacies of service.
In this intense and heartfelt episode, we also recount the grueling experiences of airborne forces training, from pre-parachute selection to the challenges of P Company. We share personal anecdotes, including the physically demanding 10-miler, and emphasize the evolution of training methods to ensure soldier safety. Our stories from Afghanistan offer a glimpse into the camaraderie and evolution of equipment that has shaped modern military operations. We conclude by expressing our deep gratitude to our listeners for their continued support, promising more powerful narratives and insights as we embark on this new season together.
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welcome back. It is season three of another man's shoes and we are super excited to have you here with us. I've been wanting to record these episodes again for quite a while. You know you had to take the old podcast, seasons one and two, down. We recorded around about 17 18 episodes, uh. But there was a little bit of feedback from the MOD and they weren't particularly happy, given that I was still serving in some respects and doing the podcast. So we took them down and we had a mutual agreement that the minute I hung my boots up, the podcast would be following straight after.
Speaker 1:Well, the Belt and Barrier are now back in the locker to come out only on Remembrance Sunday. So here you are with us now. We've got seasons one and two going back up on Spotify and all the usual channels that you can listen to it too. So please download those, start listening to them. Let's get the user numbers back up, get the algorithm searching for us, and so then more people can enjoy the show. But even better, I've got a good friend of mine, martin Cartwright. So Martin is now going to join me on season three. He's going to help co-host. We've been playing around for a few years and we've been on lots of adventures together. We've got quite a few dits, so I thought, before we start releasing season three, it'd be worth talking about what we've got coming up. Meet Martin, tell a few stories and put your feet back up and enjoy the show with us. So Martin's stood here in the studio with me now. So Martin say hello.
Speaker 2:Cheers, adam. Yeah, hi guys. I'm absolutely thrilled to have been asked to come on as your co-host and record Another Man's Shoe Series 3. Obviously, as you alluded to, you've served 22 years in the Airborne Forces. I've had the privilege of working with some amazing men and women along my career. My time in the military has taught me a lot about resilience and teamwork and leadership. So, thanks. It's an absolute honour to be able to come on here and express and have those conversations along the way. As a veteran, I'm passionate to you know, to discuss these issues and matters that most commonly come up. You know whether it's transitioning into civilian life something that I've recently gone through and you know, obviously, my experiences in the military that I feel people might like to hear.
Speaker 1:So thanks, adam no worries, mate, I think you've made some good points. There actually is a lot of people that listen to this might be about to leave the military. You're going through that process. You've just transitioned out of the military not sexuality. We do wonder. So I think we'll probably touch on that in a bit, because it is quite a difficult process. You've done 22 plus years in the military.
Speaker 2:You're institutionalised.
Speaker 1:I remember when I got out it was hard work and you go for that career transition workshop and you've got people turning around and sort of telling you how to write your CV and this is what you're going to do, but the reality is, in a month's time, your wages are stopping Correct, exactly.
Speaker 2:And if you don't give yourself that time and you know, go, kick that can down the road and do the right things courses, etc. You know you're going to find difficult times and you know that's what I want. You know we will touch on it through series three. If there's people out there that you know are going through this at the moment and they're concerned and they've, you know, they've got worries, guys, just, you know, reach out to the, to another man's shoes and we'll try and help you along the way. You know that's what this is all about. It's about rallying around each other and trying to give you that advice and guidance. You know, because, like I said, I've just gone through it, so you know yeah, and I think that's what it's about.
Speaker 1:You know it's a two way street with this podcast is we want to get the stories out there, but likewise, if you hear something or you think, oh, these guys might know the answer to this, just reach out Instagram Another Man's Shoes you can search for us, find us there. And on Spotify now you can leave comments on there. On YouTube, where we're putting the episodes, you can leave comments on there. So we're pretty easy to get hold of. And we're also sort of closely tied with an amazing charity that helps veterans, called the Pilgrim Bandits Charity. We've got Matt Hellyer, the CEO. He's been on and done a mental health episode for us before in season one. We're going to re-release that episode actually in the next few days, so you can hear that, because there's some really good stuff that was in there. That was during COVID. We recorded that, but many of the points still relevant now, so so important to get that information out there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally agree, and so we'll put that out. But actually, speaking of Matt, that's what brings us on to some of the guests we've got coming on this season Super excited.
Speaker 2:Adam super excited.
Speaker 1:I don't think we're going to tell everyone yet. We'll keep them in. Yeah, keep that. We'll keep it up our sleeve. I think, what should we say? We've got SES.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sbs, sb. Yeah, pathfinders, pathfinders.
Speaker 1:Paratroopers, paratroopers, signals, some good raw signals. Yeah, um, super hats. Uh, we've got some entrepreneurs blue light, blue light. We're going to get a few of those on, aren't we? We don't want to go over the top, cause you know everyone wants to talk about how a copper screwed your life over. We've all, we've all been there, we've all been there oh, mate, hang on, we won't touch on that through.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's a segue yeah, we'll get on there. So, yep, if anyone in case I forget, just keep reminding me to ask about Martin's brushings with the law over the years. All good heart, don't worry about that, I saved it till the end though. Yeah, that's true. Well, yeah, so what would have happened if you'd have been caught? You'd have been bust, I suppose.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Cheers, Adam.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so in one of my podcast episodes I was introducing Martin as a former SART major 22 years and that is true, he was formerly a SART major, but he didn't quite leave that rank. But hey, you're getting the pension, though. That's all that matters. It, that's all that matters. It's all about the pension, isn't it? Absolutely so yeah, we've got some great podcasts. We're releasing them every week, so we're recording one a week, or we might record multiple ones in a weekend, but we'll release them weekly. We've partnered up, actually, with a great pub down in Ashley Crossing Pool, the Bermuda.
Speaker 2:Triangle yeah it's great.
Speaker 1:We've had a few sketchy nights down there. But what they've done upstairs they've created this secret lounge area, kind of like a members-only place really comfy sofas, private bar, dj set up and everything up there. So we're going to actually put the podcast in there so when we're filming it. It's a great background, it's really comfortable. We can get some beers going with the guests, get them sort of loose lips and sink ships and see if we can get them to spin a few better dits and obviously along the way we'll probably end up having a few lagers.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry If you've never been down to down to the Bermuda triangle, you've got to get down there. It's a great pub.
Speaker 1:It is good and the thing is, you know they're sponsors of the show, they're helping us with this, but one we're not doing is putting ad breaks in. It is an hour of chat and a brutal, gritty talk. You know I don't want to be hearing like-minded talk. Hi Adam, it is well again. Yeah, your fashion accessories that you could talk about on a different episode. No, you can go on the gay cast, but I probably can't say that.
Speaker 2:That'd be us and That'd be us banned, we'll be off the air. So okay again.
Speaker 1:Yeah boot me off again. So, martin, 22 years, so let's have a little five-minute rundown. So where did you start? Where did you go? What did you see? What are you going to bring into this season? When you're asking people, I suppose what people want to know is that we've got credibility?
Speaker 2:Yeah, sure I mean so. To answer that, adam, you know I joined the military when I was 18. That young lad went down the careers office and signed up in Oxford and I did my basic training at Pirbright in 2003. And while I was going through training I was told I was nothing, you were never going to be anything and you certainly was never going to be a paratrooper. So obviously I had a lot to prove and there was a lot of haters out there and there still is a lot of haters out there that don't want people to achieve in life. So if those people are listening, switch it off, don't listen. So I did my basic training at purbright in 2003 and then I went um to the rural school of artillery, uh in lark hill, salisbury, uh, did my you know uh gunnery stuff there and got my driving licenses, um. And then, uh, I volunteered for, um, the airborne gunners seven seventh parachute regiment, warhorse artillery. Hang on a minute, I'm gonna cut for the Airborne Gunners, 7th Parachute Regiment, royal Horse Artillery. Hang on a minute.
Speaker 1:I'm going to cut in there 7 Hat, 7 Hat, 7.
Speaker 2:Parachute.
Speaker 1:There's probably like a whole load of Power Reg guys that have just listened.
Speaker 2:They're going to be there, aren't they?
Speaker 1:Well, they've just listened to you say 7th Parachute Regiment there and they'll be like screaming or whatever. You know they're beating their wife up.
Speaker 2:That's what the sign says outside our HQ.
Speaker 2:We'll go with that. Yeah, exactly, so yeah. Then I went and joined Seven in Oldershot little barracks. So yeah, I just managed to fit in Oldershot before we all moved up to Colchester. But you know, I spent most of my career there in Colchester and I did a tour of kosovo in 2004. Um, that was a surveillance tour. We, you know, we did the cop course and went off to kosovo and did surveillance um, I was on teams, um, and I was also a part of the ops room and you know we'd rotate through and stuff like that, um and uh. So yeah, after that came back, um didn't really have much of a break, um, to be fair, because obviously then we started the uh sort of lead up to um op herrick, um, so yeah, okay, I did three tours of herrick um, for people that don't know, sort of herrick tel Telleck.
Speaker 1:Different operational names different theatres.
Speaker 2:That's right. Yeah, so Herrick is Afghanistan. I managed to get in three tours of Afghanistan. So yeah, obviously good and bad stories of that, which we'll touch on through series three without sort of you know going too deep. And did a tour in other units as well. I wasn't always part of an airborne unit, you know. I spent a couple of years at 4th Regiment and I spent a couple of years at 19th Regiment and I'm finishing off down at Forney Island with 12th Regiment.
Speaker 1:You're in. This is one of the things that always confused me when I was having Martin Compton on for his episode we were talking about he was in the lifeguards and then you had the different parts of the lifeguards, like ceremonial, mounted armoured cav, whatever you know. It was all a bit woolly, to be honest. But with you you joined the Royal Artillery, that's correct. But then your cap badge is a cap badge of Royal Horse Artillery so just explain this once and for all.
Speaker 1:so I understand there's not many horses going out the back of a C-130, is there but.
Speaker 2:Albert just gave birth to a horse, yeah, so the Royal Horse Artillery is the cipher cat badge and the Royal Artillery is what we know as the uh gun, yeah, cat badge, basically, um. So, yeah, there's a few royal horse artillery regiments. You've got um three rha, seven rha um, and then king's troop wear the rha cypher um, and they also had the RA cat badge as well, which I didn't get. Still confused, me too.
Speaker 1:Can I like narrow that? Is it something along the lines of it's like light guns for the Royal Horse Artillery? So is there anything that you can sort of basically put in the back of a C-130 or tow along the road? Yeah, whereas Royal Artillery are the big tanks with whatever.
Speaker 2:Well, they're not tanks, no, no, we'll have.
Speaker 1:Pete, we'll get him on one of these episodes, he'll tell us the difference between a tank and armour vehicle. I'm going to get a translator here, though I think I'll bore our eyelids off. But okay, so you've got basically Royal Artillery big guns, horse artillery little guns that used to be pulled by the horses. You've nailed it, mate. Well, nailed it, okay.
Speaker 2:So then you decided that you wanted to go airborne. Absolutely every man should uh take me through that process. Yeah. So, um, I did three attempts at um, the all arms parachute selection course, um, two attempts obviously failed up the road um, and then I passed my first, uh, my third, sorry attempt, um. So yeah, you go away. You do uh sort of a eight week beat up course, which is, um, you know you do all of the um events.
Speaker 2:So you've got. You've got your eight miler, you've got your pfa on the first day in your trimnasium uh, for those of you that don't know what trimnasium is, it's like a, an assault course that's really high and you have to run and jump at things and just show that you're competent um at commands at height and stuff like that. So so for later on down the line, when you've passed um, you'll react to that command in the aircraft, essentially um. So yeah, that's day one. And then you know, once you've react to that command in the aircraft, essentially. So, yeah, that's day one. And then, once you've got through that first day, you've just got to dig in and try and stay injury free to get to test week, which is two and a half weeks later, and then in test week. There's seven or eight tests that you have to complete through that test week so you're.
Speaker 1:When I went through in 99, yeah, we did pre-para, which was pre-parachute selection. Yeah, in older shot you only did a week.
Speaker 2:It was a week with 216 wow signal, you was lucky, so we went there for a week might have been two but I think, yeah, I think effectively we would.
Speaker 1:we were supposed to be trained by the unit, so you came along.
Speaker 2:Yeah, ours was like you did a pre-pre-parachute selection with the regiment to make sure you know you get the tick in the box from the regiment. Then you did pre-parachute selection and then you went and done parachute selection. So yeah, it was. You know, there was free sort of courses just to get up there, were you?
Speaker 1:a seven power already.
Speaker 2:I was always there, yeah, as a Tom, yeah. So I think that's the difference, because I was in a unit in Germany.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, roger, you just basically got dumped into Aldershot and it was kind of there you go, and it was absolute baptism of fire. I think I'd rather have done the eight week yeah because that was a horrendous week and they just basically want to beast you. So then you do that, you go on to p company.
Speaker 2:Yeah, takes through p company. How long is that? So p company is, uh, three and a half weeks, um, so, like I said that, first day is your screening day, yeah, you gotta pass them a free test to get on it, um, and then it is literally a bit. It's just a fashion, isn't it? You know soldiering wise. I didn't really do much soldiering other than a Bergen inspection, packing. You know, packing your Bergen, and I think we did a day and night. Now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you did the day.
Speaker 2:And, and you get your head down after the night nav and you get woken up at, you know, zero, four hundred, let's go, let's go and get contacted in the harbour area and stuff. So, yeah, um, and then they do like you know, bugging out drills and stuff like that. You just get thrashed, you don't know when it's going to end, um, so, yeah, one thing I would say about you know, the three courses that I did, um, they, they, because obviously I did one early, uh, 2003 four, and then I didn't actually pass till later on, till I was a, you know, a bombardier which is a corporal due to, you know, operations and other stuff going on courses and that. But when I did pass the course, the test is still the same, you know, but they just got grown-ups to take the course. You know, the DS were grown-ups on my final course.
Speaker 2:It wasn't a case of let's just beast everybody and see how many people we can get off the course. It was. You know, how can we make the airborne forces bigger? How can we get good people, you know, to exit that aircraft and through this course?
Speaker 1:So they changed it and they just made it more grown up, you know, I think that's really important because you don't need to be fresh you need to get guys through injury free, or yeah, you don't want to get to the end of that course to help your unit and you're just no good to man or beast. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:And then you went on to P Company itself on to test week yep so P Company itself test week is seven or eight tests without going through them. Unless you want to go through them, let's have a quick run through.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so you do the 10-miler, which is the reverse 10-miler. I don't know why. I think you do it one way on screen and then you do it the other way for tests. But essentially the 10-miler is you know, you've got your Bergen on your back, 35 pound, carrying your rifle, and is you've got your Bergen on your back, 35 pound, carrying your rifle, and you've got two hours to complete the 10 miler. I think there's two or three stops in there.
Speaker 1:And to put that into context, the standard Army PFT, acft, whatever it's called that was eight miles in two hours, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was yeah.
Speaker 1:So for airborne forces, you're doing the same time, but next to two miles, correct? Yeah, I 8 miles in 2 hours, wasn't it? Yeah, it was so for airborne forces, you're doing an extra 2 miles, an extra 2 miles, correct, yeah?
Speaker 2:I mean, we don't do them tests anymore and we'll touch on. You know how things have changed in my 22 years and you know we'll touch on that when the time's right. But yeah, so you do the reverse 10 miler with all that kit on, um, you do the. You do the trimnasium, again, which we've already discussed. Um, you do the steeplechase, which is, you know, a two mile assault course with water and jumps and, um, you know, you've got your helmet, wet clothing on, your boots are full of water. Every man for themselves, it is literally every man. You, you are climbing over each other just to, you know, to get in in that 18 minutes. I think it's 18 minutes. It was a, you know, it was a long time ago. Um, and then, uh, what else we got? You got, um, the log. You've got the login stretcher which, uh, you know the, the airborne ones. They're the airborne test for you. What was worse? Uh, I would probably say the log, because we only finished with two guys on the log.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you hear that a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, come off a log and you just got to be pulling it yeah so, um, I, me and me and another lad managed to drag it across the finish line somehow and we'd lost quite a few guys along the way. So, yeah, absolutely, um, you've got also, uh, milling on on the last day, which is toe to toe 60 seconds, um, again, every man for himself, and uh, what that's about it's, you know, it's about seeing who will do the you know, do that thing on the day where they put, put their head above the parapet and start getting rounds down and stuff like that so yeah right, long memories, no, don't forget it absolutely and when you've done it three times just to get through it's.
Speaker 1:Uh. Well, mate, that's perseverance, isn't it? You know you stuck around. That is the airborne spirit.
Speaker 2:I had a lot to prove, you know, to myself mainly, Um, and secondly to all the haters. You know people that were like yeah, we're going to do it.
Speaker 1:All the blokes in the unit. Oh, you know I was going to do that but yeah, give Proud of what I achieved.
Speaker 2:You know that was my P Company was my limit, so but, like I said, I'm super, super proud of myself. I think so.
Speaker 1:It should be. It's a great achievement, unless you went on DigiJumps, I said down at Brysonorton.
Speaker 2:Yeah, great course, fun course. I did a January course as well and the snow was, you know, lovely on Western, on the green, and nice soft landings. Unfortunately I've not had many of them recently because of my weight gain.
Speaker 1:But there you go it happens to the best of us, doesn't it? That's it. We have to put more weight in our bone. I think is what you're saying that's what it was exactly they've got to carry more, more link can't beat a decent landing. Very few of them, very few and far between. I mean that LLP is yeah, but we'll talk about that landing I had in France the other day when they told me that new rig that you could flare it.
Speaker 2:I was like what?
Speaker 1:There was no flaring. No, there was no flaring, just dumped all the air out of it and put me under me. Yeah, yeah, and we'll touch on Afghans. On Herrick, you were on, I did 06. Was that, herrick? The first one you did?
Speaker 2:That was Herrick 4. Yeah, I did Herrick 4, 8 and 10. Always when it went kinetic, that's right. Yeah, so obviously Martin Compton, one of our good mates through the charity, he was on that tour and lots of you know other people that we know were injured and so, yeah, when you talk about you know connectivity, it was one of I think one of the American generals or something alluded to us Brits as them back in Vietnam we were loose running around with flip-flops and baseball caps on and stuff. So things needed to change later on down the line and it did. They brought in lots of regulations and stuff to protect everybody.
Speaker 1:Well, I had to, didn't? I? I think everything. I I suppose the progress in those few years with the equipment, all the rapid procurement of new vehicles, yeah, better clothing we could, it was needed because we were. Still. So that's my noisy chair here.
Speaker 2:See if we can edit that out there's a few things we've got to edit out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe maybe we'll just keep it real. You know, I think maybe that's what people will want, okay? So yeah, we'll touch on Herrick actually later on in the season because Martin Compton is going to come back on. Yeah, for anyone out there that knows, martin was severely injured in Afghanistan on Herrick. He was a airborne in Afghanistan. On Herrick he was a airborne cavalry guy. He's got that's horses again, isn't it?
Speaker 1:another thing you guys got in common and it was a you know, it was a horrendous contact that they got into but, I won't say too much, but there's a really good story that didn't come to light until well we were in Arnhem, weren't we?
Speaker 2:that's right. Yeah, I think you know, like you say, we won't say too much and we'll. We'll leave that until we get Martin back on and we'll play it out. Then I think, yep, we'll probably have to pay his expenses won't we and take him down the pub, get him dinner, buy his drinks all night, exactly so.
Speaker 1:So if anyone out there actually knows Martin. Martin actually, if you're listening to this, mate, it's your round. Yeah, and Pete, if you're listening, it's your round too. Don't forget to put that money in the paypal, exactly.
Speaker 1:Oh, hang on, and John Chart he's another, he's another great guest, I mean he's got an excuse because, sadly, he's got motor neuro and his arms don't work. But I think he's had motor neuro for 50 years. He's definitely been reaching for his wallet, isn't he? He's got T-Rex, but this is awful. But this is what it's going to be about. To be honest, guys, this is the show. You know we all love each other. It's a bit of banter, it's a laugh and a joke, some serious moments, shared experiences and we're going to have some fun with this. You know season three is going to be great. I'm really looking forward to it. Martin is a proper co-host. He's a real sidekick. We're going to let some more stories out about him throughout the season.
Speaker 2:I want to talk lots about. You know how we met. You know the charity which means so much to me. Yeah, we won't talk about Tampa. What happened in Tampa stays in Tampa.
Speaker 1:What happened in the Isle of Wight stays in the Isle of Wight, arnhem.
Speaker 2:Skiing.
Speaker 1:Skiing. What are we going to talk about?
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's just no stories, no Crikey.
Speaker 1:We might edit out. So a couple of years ago we did a we've called it the fishing club episode when, yeah, that we had a load of guys over the house, we were down on the river shooting, fishing, messing around obviously the beers come out so we got the podcast machine out, I think it was like the first ever recording of another man's shoes, wasn't it?
Speaker 1:yeah great quality no, but really good, because everyone really opened their hearts up and told about their experiences on the different tours. You know, the first time they were in contact, the first time they shot someone or whatever it may be, but we had some fun with that one, it's only about 25 minutes long, but I think it, so it might be interesting.
Speaker 1:It is interesting. I've had to re-listen to it. It is good, but there's definitely some stuff in there that might get the police involved, so maybe we'll have a little edit of that. I don't need any more police attention. Thank you, no more. No more of that. So yeah, we'll have a little look at that. Maybe that's one. We'll see what the demand's like. You know people turn it.
Speaker 1:You know, write in, tell us why you think you want to hear it and we'll consider it and then we'll edit it and or we'll just re-record it, we'll just get everyone around again, get the whiskey and beer out and make it even better, yeah, but so this season, season three, you know, that's a a quick few minutes um about what this season is going to be, about what we've got coming up, what Martin's around, a bit of his backstory, and we're going to be releasing the first episode of season 3 in a couple of weeks time. We've got a few things going on before then going to edit a few more of the last season.
Speaker 1:Just get them back up.
Speaker 2:Martin's heading out to Arnhem for the 80th anniversary of the guys, for the 80th anniversary. Really, you know it's going to be, great fun oh mate.
Speaker 1:I'm a bit annoyed that I put the plug on that one now, because it's never too late. Well, sadly I've got to be somewhere else, but things may change. We'll see. We'll have a look. You might see me sort of parachuting for a day, go on a piss and get out of dodge again make sure you wear that horrible itchy pants.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, I don't want to talk about parachute anymore, giving me PTSD.
Speaker 1:We'll have to hold an episode on that. Yeah, okay, so that is the end of this episode with Martin and myself. Hope you enjoyed it. It's just a little bit really about us. It was a bit of a fun one. We're going to put this up online pretty quickly so people just get to know us. But, as we said, any questions you want to fire at us, we're on instagram. Another man's shoes martin can share his instagram. At another point. Uh, we've got spotify. We've got youtube and apple podcast.
Speaker 1:This is a really important one. Actually, there's an app on apple just called podcast. It's like a purple microphone picture. Uh, that seems to be the only real way at the moment that you can leave feedback and star reviews, but it's particularly important because that's actually what helps get us right up the rankings, you know, with the algorithms that search for us and push push us into your recommended playlists. So, if you have got access to Apple podcasts be it yourself or someone in your family if you could just search for us another man'ses on there just scroll to the bottom, just give us five stars, that would be fantastic. And it says leave a review If it's one or two words that's all it needs to be, because that then just bumps us up.
Speaker 1:If you can't do that, if you're on another platform, if you're just going through Spotify, subscribe, just follow us. Subscribe so you'll automatically get a notification when the next episode comes out with download. And again, it just helps that algorithm work and that's what we want. You know we're having some fun with this. We're we're not having sort of anyone invest in it. You know it's all off our own back. So what'd be great is to see more people can hear us. You know, for every download it means so much so from us. Thank you very much for listening for last half an hour.
Speaker 2:yeah, thanks, adam, and we'll see you on the other side, looking forward to it.