Sabina Podjed: Creative Expression Is Actually Art

In this episode of Judeslist, I speak with Sabina Podjed about something deceptively simple but deeply psychological: When you create with AI, are you an artist?

Sabina didn’t come from an art background. She studied sociology. Worked in marketing, journalism, sales. In 2023, she “accidentally” entered AI while exploring business opportunities and discovered something unexpected: AI unlocked a form of expression she had always wanted but never claimed.

Sabina speaks candidly about the tension she wrestles with:

•  “Am I an AI artist… or just someone using AI like a slot machine?” 
•  Is art something you declare or something others validate? 
•  Do you need theory and formal training to claim authorship? 
•  If you’ve jumped between careers your whole life, can you truly call yourself anything? 

Her doubt isn’t about skill. It’s about legitimacy.

We Examine:

• Why “artist” feels like a title reserved for the professionally trained
 • The subtle discomfort of claiming identity without credentials
 • How comparison to traditional artists distorts self-perception
 • The difference between generating images and expressing something
 • The role of taste in an era of infinite output
 • Why experimentation not mastery was her entry point

Key Takeaways

• “Artist” may not be a credential, it may be a commitment
 • Experimentation can precede confidence
 • Withholding identity often comes from comparison
 • Taste becomes the differentiator in an AI-saturated world
 • Creative expression doesn’t require permission

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hello Sabina, welcome to Jude's List, welcome to the podcast. How are you doing today?

SPEAKER_02 0:03

Hi Jude, I'm doing fine, great.

SPEAKER_00 0:06

Great, great. Thank you for joining me today. Tell us where you're speaking from and tell us a bit about yourself.

SPEAKER_02 0:11

I'm from Slovenia, uh, Europe. I'm an AI artist, but actually with a background that is not actually that has not actually anything to do with uh art. Um I just accidentally came into this uh world of AI in 2023, uh exploring new business opportunities, and uh I started creating images for my Etsy shop and um since then the world has opened to me in AI creative space, and I always wanted to be an artist but never found a way to express myself, and AI has somehow enabled me to do so because it's somehow uh a tool that enables you creativity in so many different ways.

SPEAKER_00 1:05

Okay, so what was your background before, and then how did you get involved with AI in 2023?

SPEAKER_02 1:11

Oh my husband and I have a um business uh that uh is an education uh for companies, and uh we were also always uh open for different business opportunities, and um somehow in 2023, when this was about half a year after AI came out, we saw some opportunity um and in in that field, and uh we just went in uh to explore uh what's there uh for us. And um I always worked in in different fields. Uh I studied sociology but never worked in that field. Uh I had different kinds of jobs from marketing, sales, journalism. I was also an editor, and I always explore different things. I follow my curiosity and always do what uh at that given moment uh gives me like some good feedback or it's okay for me.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

So, how did you exactly discover AI?

SPEAKER_02 2:26

Well, I'm not sure. I believe my husband told me because we are always on YouTube uh following different podcasters, and um, so this is the way you hear about what's new, what's interesting, and um if it is interesting, you sometimes pursue that avenue. So AI was starting to be like a business opportunity at that time.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

Let's speak about how you're also using AI for education. I know you you work with your husband together to teach some of these skills and work we're in an age where people think AI makes creativity easier. And uh, from what you've seen teaching others, is this actually true?

SPEAKER_02 3:10

That's some kind of difficult question. If I can say from my perspective, it enables you to find or generate knowledge about a topic very easy. So it's easier than Googling a certain topic because you get a feedback easier, and also it helps you with prompting, but at the end, it's your idea, your imagination, your goal, what you want to achieve, or simply your curiosity, where will you end up following this path? So I usually experiment a lot. I don't follow any path, I just say, Will this bring me somewhere? What will this path create? Approach is like approach of uh exploring and through seeing what other people do, their expression of art that is very distinctive. I follow different artists on LinkedIn, and they a lot of them have very distinctive art. So this kind of shows that it is not the tool that creates but the person behind that uses AI to create uh something special.

unknown 4:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:29

So Sabino, what are you exploring? What are you trying to express?

SPEAKER_02 4:33

So, what what am I exploring? I'm mainly using Midjourney. And if you are familiar with Midjourney, Mid Journey is very artistic. It has a special vibe in comparison to uh other AI tools, generative tools, and it has a lot of preset styles, like four billions or something. So I explore not so much prompting, but a combination of prompting and using these preset styles in combination, and the results are often stunning. So it's like experimenting. What will I get with this prompt and this preset style? Or even stacking different styles. I sometimes put together three, five, or even twenty styles. So this is my um my path of exploration.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

Okay, so do you feel like this exploration now makes you an artist? Has this form of exploration also changed how you identify yourself?

SPEAKER_02 5:40

So the if this exploration or experimentation makes me an AI artist, this is a very deep question, I believe, that I ask myself often. Am I actually AI artist or am I just a regular person like using AI as a slot machine? You know what you bring something in and you get something out. So I'm not sure if I am AI artist. I did develop some kind of style, although my style is so different. So I mean I don't have a distinctive style because I experiment so much, but I sincerely doubt that I am an AI artist. Because for art you have also you also have to know theory of art, what art is. I never studied art, the the rules, what art um is created. Yeah. I doubt that I'm AI artist.

SPEAKER_00 6:44

But if you've been using the tools for all this while and then you've been creating so much, doesn't that form of expression make you an artist?

SPEAKER_02 6:53

So difficult to answer, really. So difficult to answer. I I doubt myself because my background is not from So what is what is the hesitation and why do you doubt yourself?

SPEAKER_00 7:05

Sorry? What is the hesitation and why do you doubt yourself?

SPEAKER_02 7:08

Well, maybe the basic answer question is who is artist?

SPEAKER_00 7:13

So you can start from there.

SPEAKER_02 7:15

Yeah, so is everyone who creates an artist, or is it that his audience give him or her validation that she or he is an artist? I I really want to answer your question, but I pose myself this question and um I haven't answered it yet.

SPEAKER_00 7:37

Okay, okay. Uh that's that's also something I'm also thinking about. Does creating in this era make you an artist? Yeah, I think it's a very interesting question.

SPEAKER_02 7:48

Yes, and also when you see different creations of different people, some are really a stunning, you know, some are really telling a story, some make you pause and think. So this somehow is art because it is a story, it is something that you have to reflect upon. But nice image, pretty image, I don't know if this is art.

SPEAKER_00 8:14

Okay. So let's put let's put this into context, Sabina. If today you were helping someone who's a beginner who's never used these tools, who's new to AI, and yes, they're in their journey today, how would you help them start and how would you help them get around some of this thinking?

SPEAKER_02 8:31

I believe the most important thing here is experiment. Try tools in different ways, work, explore what works, what doesn't work. And through feedback, you evolve. That's one thing. The second thing is be part of communities because people share their knowledge, share their expertise, and through feedback you grow. I was part of different communities and we shared our knowledge, our creatives, um, and I learned a lot. And also all the challenges that people post online and I take part, they they bring you out of the comfort zone because if you are creating on your own, you are following your path that feels probably the easiest. If somebody puts you on a challenge, create something like this or that, or has some idea, like a twist of story, then you your creativity is challenged or you grow through through these uh challenges.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

And why why is experimentation the first thing someone should do when they're entering the space?

SPEAKER_02 9:47

Maybe the experimentation for me, it's important because I'm not my background is not in art. If I was a designer or artist, I would have a background of the rules of the trade. Here I I'm only exploring tools, what they create. So my approach, my approach is different. People who are in the business of design or advertising or artists, they I believe they approach AI differently than I. For me, it was always experimentation, pushing the limits, exploring this field of create creativity. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

So so back to your journey. What surprised you the most once once you started learning with the tools?

SPEAKER_02 10:38

What surprised me the most when I started with AI tools? An interesting and difficult question. If I have to think back then, I just jumped in in AI and started creating, and it was like a some flow, you know. I learned everything alone. I didn't take any course, I didn't take any workshop. So if if I look back at my journey that I went through, it was a lot of self-taught and through experimentation and community, as I said. And in a way, AI enables you a lot of to be very creative, very easy, but you have to work and experiment. Wow, what a question. Regarding the AI tools, I I never had any ideas, I was just um working with them and misconceptions. No no that none that I would think of. Really? It was a very and still is a very positive experience for me since this is actually my expression and it's not actually my business. Okay, it's something that uh brings me joy and I use daily because of it. But I have also gone to to different parts of AI through this journey. So lately I'm also doing a lot of vibe coding and exploring different AI tools for business. So this is my other part of daily life.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

Well, why does it bring you joy?

SPEAKER_02 12:23

Because the creative process is rewarding, you get so many different results, so many different creative uh create creatives out of the process. And on the other hand, it's also uh challenging, and when you overcome the challenges in this process, that's the also the reward.

SPEAKER_00 12:44

Okay, so overcoming the challenges in creating becomes a reward. So it becomes like satisfying to know you achieved what you wanted to do.

SPEAKER_02 12:53

Yes, exactly, exactly. You know, especially when I'm taking part of challenging that people are posting on LinkedIn, and the task is create something, and first you have to have an idea what you are creating, then you have to find the style of what you are creating, and at the end you get an image with message or image that works well as a story. So this is a rewarding part of this.

SPEAKER_00 13:23

Okay, how do you create an image that has a story?

SPEAKER_02 13:27

Let me tell you um example. Last time there was a challenge on LinkedIn about uh a story of of a hat. I don't know exactly, but it's it is I have to find the the English word for that, but it is uh a story from Alice in Wonderland. Alice in Wonderland, yeah. Yeah, uh when one person had some head uh hat and it is associated with the background when the people who make the make head hats, there was I believe they used mercury in this process. So they were poisoned with this mercury and they were hallucinating. And this story also appeared in Alice in Wonderland, but in reality, it was in reality this saying of I don't know how it's said with about this head, and I created an image where a person who created the the heads was like something was going out from his head, like yeah, hallucination. So this was my reward that I put the idea, the story in the image.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

Okay, okay. And were you happy with the outcome of that image? Sorry? Were you happy with the outcome?

SPEAKER_02 14:50

Yeah, I was, yeah, I was.

SPEAKER_00 14:52

We're doing very well.

SPEAKER_02 14:54

Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 14:55

Are you nervous?

SPEAKER_01 14:56

Yeah, I am nervous.

SPEAKER_00 14:57

No, don't don't be don't be, don't be. We're doing very, very well because uh just like learning with the AI tools and experimenting, that's that's the same thing we're doing here. We're also learning from this conversation. So you realize that uh uh uh the questions that I'm asking, yes, I prepared like an outline, but I'm also learning from the conversation, so I'm changing my questions, right? So you are also articulating your answers, but you're also having to do it for the first time. So it feels challenging, but I feel like we're all learning.

SPEAKER_02 15:32

Yeah, the the thing is I don't have the answer on all your questions.

SPEAKER_00 15:38

That's fine.

SPEAKER_02 15:39

Especially the one you asked me if I am an AI artist. I'm having this conversation in my head for a longer time, and I haven't decided yet if I can call myself self an AI artist or not.

SPEAKER_00 15:54

And what is the conversation you have in your head?

SPEAKER_02 15:56

It is because uh I meet people online who are actually people from the profession, like artists or designers or marketers who know the trade, and I don't know much about the rules of the trade. So that that's why I was adopt, and that's my conversation in my head.

SPEAKER_00 16:18

Okay. Do you feel like you understand the rules of creating with AI?

SPEAKER_02 16:24

Yeah, I do, I do understand, and actually it's like interesting that AI helps you with creating with AI. That's the funny part of this, because creating prompts, you use AI for that, and it's some somehow a funny process.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

So I I think that answers what we've been talking about for our conversation. If you understand the rules and you're able to know how to use and break the rules, that means you are an AI artist.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

Okay, if yeah, I agree. I am artist with using AI, but is my work art? That's the question.

SPEAKER_00 17:05

Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. And what makes you ask this question?

SPEAKER_02 17:10

You know, uh for the the whole life I see people who devoted everything to one profession and they are professionals. I always jumped from one field of the work to another. So I never stayed in one field to say I'm professional in that. So that's the conversation that I'm often having in my head. I don't stay in one thing to explore it enough to be a professional in that field. So that's the background why I doubt.

SPEAKER_00 17:42

This is something very interesting that we're at we're at a point in time where with the acceleration of the tools and how quickly we can learn with the tools, I feel like it's compressed time where you you wouldn't necessarily need 20 years in a specific field or industry to be an expert. Now I feel like that has shrunk because now industries are converging, intelligence is converging, right? So, what that means is that we are able to shorten the time of learning and creating. So I do feel like that makes this point in time and this point in history a very great one. Because, like you, you you rightly said, before these tools, you didn't identify as an artist and you didn't have the opportunity to express yourself artistically. But now you have this expression experimentation where you're able to take an abstract idea and make it real.

SPEAKER_02 18:40

Yeah, and that that's that's true. That's true, yeah. Actually, the the tools enable you amazing things in a quicker time.

SPEAKER_00 18:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

So that's absolutely true. Everything has become so fast you have to learn so much, so the this frenzy or uh overwhelm has also become part of this AI story.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:08

But you also said something interesting that um AI has enabled us to advance quicker and learn quicker, but I believe also life experiences teach us something. So this is our human part. Is our human part following the same speed as the AI is going? You know, you still have to have some experience in your your life to make sense of everything and also yeah, also to answer these questions that appear that you ask me. So this is not only AI that gives you the story, but also your life experience.

SPEAKER_00 19:50

Can you share more on that?

SPEAKER_02 19:52

I mean, technology gives you a lot of um knowledge and it creates a lot of for you, but if you have to have some viewpoint of everything, and viewpoints uh don't come with information or knowledge, but it comes from living things through, having experience, having feedback through relationships and through meaning that you get from experience in life, from the AI field. When they say that people who finish a university now are not getting jobs because their job is done by AI now. They say that who will do the job of people who are experienced who are now working in jobs because they had life experiences gathered through all their working career, working life. So these people who don't get job at the moment, how will they get experience, job experience or working experience? I believe there will be some empty space because how will they gain the working experience if they don't get job? That that's the analogy of what I was thinking about also having life experience, not just only technology that gives us everything at the moment or almost everything.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

Okay. So, what life experience do you put into your work?

SPEAKER_02 21:26

Well, my I believe my life experience is working on different fields of work where I gathered different kinds of experiences. Also, what I constantly think about life. Um that I also bring that in my work.

SPEAKER_00 21:47

Let's speak about how you work with your husband on the education platform and the kind of people that you work with.

SPEAKER_02 21:55

He actually does the most of educations at Com. So I'm mostly at the back office exploring tools that would be useful for businesses and um well prepare everything for like marketing and for the workshops, so all the the translations and the the workshops material and so on. And um it's it's quite like challenging because you want to bring people everything that is happening in AI, but mostly people are just starting with it. So you have to go slow, you know. When if you work with AI a lot, you start to understand how it works. And if you are curious, you explore many options that AI offers. But in in workshops, people usually just start with prompting, you know. So that's an interesting part of education process. When you bring too much and you have to go a bit slow with with the teaching process, yeah. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

That's fine. That's fine. So how how do you go about solving that when you you have a lot of knowledge, but you have to package it inside a way in such a way that um people who are just beginning can understand?

SPEAKER_02 23:18

So, how do you bring across AI to the people who just start with AI when you have a lot of knowledge about it? When you have a lot of things to show, and you think I will bring this and that and third part in the workshop, you have to throw half of it away because it would be too much because people cannot follow. You have reduced to reduce the amount of things that you prepare for the workshop and start with the basics, start with slow, start slow and actually follow step by step by step slowly. Otherwise it becomes too complicated.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

Okay, so what what are the basics?

SPEAKER_02 24:02

First basics are prompting, the and the second basic is understanding how AI works, the philosophy or to understand how AI works through experimentation. So if somebody tells you theory, you need to test it for yourself, see the results, use it in your personal life, what AI benefits you, not generally. So it's different from case to case what AI can do for you because it is very broad. It can give you so much, you know.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 24:40

So reduce it to the basic and to for your use case.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

Okay. When people are starting, where do you feel like they get stuck?

SPEAKER_02 24:50

Because they why people get stuck when they start. I believe because they don't get proper results and they don't know how to use tools, how to set everything up so they they get the best from it, how to use the best models, because every AI tool tool is good for something, not for everything. So you also have to have that in mind. And when you hit uh the the problem of hallucination, you can also give up easily because you say that's even me, I'm using AI for like three years, and sometimes I'm so frustrated because the answers are like, What are you talking about? You know, is this really an intelligence behind or is it some machine talking nonsense? Sometimes the answers are genial, you know. Sometimes I'm really surprised what I get from AI, and sometimes they're not useful at all. But this case if I could say how much of things are useful and how much is not useful, maybe like 10% when you you're very de dissatisfied with results.

SPEAKER_00 26:06

Okay, so 90% of the time it's useful?

SPEAKER_02 26:09

Yeah, yeah, definitely. What's your experience on on yes?

SPEAKER_00 26:14

Um, I also have the same sentiments where um I I do a lot of prompting, I do a lot of LLMs, so Claude, ChatGPT, and uh I use them to analyze the work that I do, my podcasts, my transcripts, the conversations, the interviews. Sometimes I would ask to analyze maybe my last episode to see how I can improve my episode, and then it would bring up something so generic, and I'm like, no, no, no, that's not what I asked for. I asked to analyze my last episode, and then I would say use this reference document, and then it would say, I'm sorry. Uh it would say, I'm sorry. Yeah, you're right. Then it would come back. So sometimes, yeah, it it it drifts off where it gives very generic, unrelated information, but 90% of the time it it's more or less on target in terms of providing analysis and information.

SPEAKER_02 27:11

And also you have a lot of time spared with that. Uh for instance, uh, this weekend I had to translate uh a lot of um material for uh for a workshop, like 200 pages, and AI did a wonderful job, really. If I had to do it then this were this amount of work uh back then, before AI, it would be like a week or two weeks of work, and this was made in maybe one day, a couple of hours. So AI is sometimes so amazing that uh we are lucky that we have AI.

SPEAKER_00 27:53

Yeah. So circling back on experimentation and creation, how do you decide if something is good?

SPEAKER_02 28:01

How do I decide if something is good? Well, in the process I create a lot of images, and um it's often in the first sight it looks like oh, this is great. But I often return back and look again and twice and three times. Is it okay or is it not okay? And especially if you create a lot of images, this process of deciding if something is okay or it is not okay, it's even more important because you can easily your work can easily become AI slop because of mass of amount of things you create. How do I decide? I often pick things that I like and that don't have anything that stands out like imperfections. And even if I create like 20-30 images, I pick only one or two. I don't put everything out that I create. So things it's so difficult to say what criteria it is, but I'm very picky of what I pick up.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

So how do you choose that one or two?

SPEAKER_02 29:11

The one that I like the most and that it looks correct.

SPEAKER_00 29:15

How do you know it's it looks correct?

SPEAKER_02 29:18

Sometimes you know, like if there is a light coming from one part and there are shadows behind, AI often creates some shadows that don't look like uh normal, as in normal world, or like fingers or neck, or some things that are not from would not look proper in the real.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

Okay, okay. So you you compare what the image you generated will look like in the real world to understand if this is something that you would keep or if it's something that you would not keep.

SPEAKER_02 29:53

Yeah, this is one criteria for the images that are realistic, but there are also images that are fantasy images or something not from the real world, then the criteria what I pick up is what I like the most, and if I can see any imperfections, then I don't pick that up. But yeah, the the main criteria is what I like the best.

SPEAKER_00 30:20

Is there other criteria you look for?

SPEAKER_02 30:22

Yeah, uh one criteria is if the the image expresses some story or some gives you some feeling or makes you think of something.

SPEAKER_00 30:33

So you ask yourself, does this image evoke feeling?

SPEAKER_02 30:36

Yeah, yeah. Or it does it tell some story that yeah, that that makes you think of something.

SPEAKER_00 30:43

Okay. With with your images, what's the story you're trying to express or say?

SPEAKER_02 30:48

What kind of things I want to express through images? Well, I often create uh portraits that are somehow unusual. Sometimes I create portraits, bring beautiful people, sometimes I create something that uh plays with light, or sometimes there are abstract images, uh portray some something in nature, or I had a series of images where I portrayed women dressed in dress from leaves or and flowers. That was some interesting story behind, not not story behind, but I place them in nature dressed in dress made from leaves and flowers. Sometimes I create surrealistic images out of this world, yeah. Or as I said, I create images for these uh challenges on LinkedIn that are like different topics. Like the last one was um about rat animal, Chinese animal that's made from glass. And since this year is a year of Chinese fire horse, I made horses that were made from animal, rat animal. It was an artistic approach, and I kinda liked the result, the feeling that it gave.

SPEAKER_00 32:17

What feeling did it did it give you?

SPEAKER_02 32:19

Actually, to be honest, it was quite artistic. The feeling of cosmic, like that this astrology is shown in the images, these fire horses are translated in these images. This astrology is shown in the images.

SPEAKER_00 32:39

Okay, Sabina, I I think I find it interesting that you know when we started our conversation, you spoke about you sort of like the identity crisis of seeing yourself as an artist, but now you're able to create an output that you're happy with, and then you fully define it as artistic.

SPEAKER_02 32:59

Yeah, funny, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Isn't that interesting?

SPEAKER_02 33:04

Yeah, thank you for pointing that out because I I I really didn't see that this is art, but yeah, these images made me um think of art, you know.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

So does that mean that art is intrinsically something we all know and recognize?

SPEAKER_02 33:21

Another difficult question. They're so so thin line, I believe. What is art and what is not art? I can decide how to define, yeah, this is art, this is not art. But I believe creative expression is actually art. If I should I could define what is art, it's creative expression of every kind of creative expression. And at the end, nobody likes everything. Some people like something, some people don't. And for some, AI is not art, for some it is. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:02

Okay, is there anything you want to add?

SPEAKER_02 34:04

No.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

Okay, okay. So, as these tools improve, what do you think becomes a real advantage? Yes.

SPEAKER_02 34:12

Well, at one hand, AI tools will take a lot of our work from us, but on the other hand, they enable us to do so much more, and I believe something will emerge from this capability to do so much more. Because when you create something, you also think about the process of creating, and maybe in this process we will create something unimaginable at the moment. So let's see where the process will bring us.

SPEAKER_00 34:47

Okay, so bringing it back to your journey so far, if you were starting today with no knowledge of rules, tools, what to do, what would you completely ignore and what would you um do?

SPEAKER_02 35:01

If I had to start in AI now, I would do it as I did at the beginning. I would just start working with AI and see how it works. Experiment, try, learn. That's my way of doing. So I don't know if I would do anything different than I did back then.

SPEAKER_01 35:23

Why?

SPEAKER_02 35:24

Maybe because that's my way of working, that I just go experiment, try, see what works, see what doesn't work, and stay with the tools that work the best for me. Because I've tried so many tools in the process and I abandoned also many that were not that didn't work for me. What would I abandon? That's an interesting question that I don't mind answering. Maybe one thing trying too many tools and um focus on the ones that work for me because I was trying to to test this tool and that tool and so many tools, and it was overwhelming. So it's better to stay with tools that work for you and deepen your knowledge in that tool.

SPEAKER_00 36:16

How do you decide what tool works for you?

SPEAKER_02 36:18

How do I decide what tool works best for me? It's the tool that has the easiest flow for me. You know, that I don't have to to think too much, I just work with it. So I always work intuitively, and the the tools that are the the most intuitive that are my tools. The ones that I have to figure too much out, these are not my tools.

SPEAKER_00 36:44

But if you are starting, how do you know that?

SPEAKER_02 36:46

I often get uh feeling uh not right away, but after a few trials.

SPEAKER_00 36:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:53

Because it it's it becomes struggle, it's too much struggle, so this is not the right tool.

SPEAKER_00 37:00

Okay, so you would go with what tool feels the easiest for you to use and understand?

SPEAKER_02 37:05

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:06

Okay, okay. All right. Sabrina, we're almost wrapping up our conversation. Is there anything else you want to add?

SPEAKER_02 37:13

I would just like to thank you for this uh challenging questions, which made me think about a lot of things I prepared on this interview, not the questions you uh asked me. So thank you for inviting me. I I hope I at least answered some questions so people can see something more about AI through my eyes.

SPEAKER_00 37:38

Yes. And how how do you feel about the conversation now?

SPEAKER_02 37:42

I'm still nervous.

SPEAKER_00 37:44

You you're still nervous even though we've spoken for an hour.

SPEAKER_02 37:46

Yeah, but it it it it these were challenging questions, you know.

SPEAKER_00 37:51

Yes, yes, yes. But like I I also said, I think you did an incredible job of articulating your thoughts and being open to also share, even though you didn't fully feel like you had the answers for them. You did share. Okay, yeah. So I'm I also have a few things written now that I'm taking away. You know, you sort of highlighted what are the rules of creativity. You also posed the question, who is an artist? And then what is art and what is not art? So those are my takeaway questions that I'm also thinking about.

SPEAKER_01 38:23

Okay. So what do you think? What is AI art? Do you have an opinion on that?

SPEAKER_00 38:28

I think my I'm also forming my opinion. To be honest, I feel like it's so new and it's so early that we can come up with an answer that can change in a year or two from now. But I think it really comes with one, the willingness to learn. And if you have ideas that you want to express is the constant um iteration of trying to express these ideas. I feel like the continuous learning and expression makes you an artist.

SPEAKER_02 38:55

Interesting. Yeah, I I I believe I I would make the same conclusion when you learn and explore, bring ideas through that. Yeah, you are an artist.

SPEAKER_00 39:06

Yeah, because conceptually, if you look at it, um, an artist traditionally, whether working on canvas or other materials, they will be in their studio, create, and when they are satisfied with the output, they will share with the world, right? That satisfaction of you being able to say, This is what I'm happy with, because it's it comes from your expression. I think that's what makes one an artist.

SPEAKER_02 39:29

Great. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:30

So it's interesting that you know, with AI, that's where it gets muddied because now people are looking at other people's ideas and copying some of those ideas. So the expression is not your your idea, it's not unique. So, in that form, I feel like that's where it gets tricky.

SPEAKER_02 39:49

But we are we were always copying, you know. AIM just enabled us to copy more easily.

SPEAKER_01 39:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 39:57

That's there there are artists that are original, I guess, that were original, but a lot of them at least got idea from seeing the art of other artists.

SPEAKER_00 40:10

Yeah, I agree on that too. That one way or the other we're all copying.

SPEAKER_02 40:14

Or at least uh get an idea or push for our journey.

SPEAKER_00 40:20

Yes, yes, yes, yeah. And then um lastly, Sabina, in your own words, what's your definition of love?

SPEAKER_02 40:26

What's my definition of love? It's well, it's difficult to define love because it's like you would ask how to define God, for instance. It's something that you feel, and when you feel it, you know it it's love. So can love be defined? I don't know. I don't believe it can be defined, it can only be felt, and when you feel it, you know it's love.

SPEAKER_00 40:49

Thank you for sharing. I hope you enjoyed the conversation, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 40:51

I did, I did, although I'm I'm still nervous. Yeah, I did.

SPEAKER_00 40:57

You did?

SPEAKER_02 40:58

Okay, yeah, I did. I did.

SPEAKER_00 41:00

Yeah, I think we had a wonderful conversation. So thank you for providing the space and the time.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

Yeah, thank you for inviting me. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 41:08

And if you think of some of those questions and you have more answers, you can always message me.

SPEAKER_02 41:12

Okay, I will. I certainly will because you you triggered me with some questions.

SPEAKER_00 41:18

Okay, okay. That's good. That's good. Okay, enjoy the rest of your day. Bye bye.

SPEAKER_02 41:22

Yeah, bye.