Living Lucky® Podcast with Jason and Jana Banana
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Are you ready to stop settling and start succeeding? Welcome to the Living Lucky® Podcast, the definitive masterclass in high-performance mindset, radical resilience, and the art of intentional abundance. Hosted by Jason Shelfer - elite Mindvalley Core Coach - and Jana Shelfer - 3x Paralympian and World Champion - this isn't just a personal development show. The Living Lucky® Podcast is your weekly roadmap to becoming a champion in your own life.
In a world full of "toxic positivity," we provide the Living Lucky® Methodology: a proven framework for navigating change, overcoming adversity, and architecting a life that feels as good on the inside as it looks on the outside. We don't just talk about potential; we give you the tools to unleash it. We're living it and we're inviting you in to see it for yourself.
Every episode delivers actionable insights on:
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- Resilience: Learn from a World Champion’s "No-Excuses" approach to life’s hurdles.
- Positive Psychology: Science-backed strategies to shift from "Why me?" to "What’s next?"
- Lifestyle Design: Practical advice on wellness, entrepreneurship, and building a vibrant community.
Meet Your Hosts
Jason Shelfer is a world-renowned performance coach, one of only seven Core Coaches for Mindvalley, and a relationship coach for his top clients. He specializes in helping high-achievers break through plateaus and lead with purpose.
Jana Shelfer is a 3x Paralympian, World Champion Adaptive Water Skier, mindset expert, and creative genius. Her life is a testament to the power of the human spirit and the Living Lucky® philosophy.
Together, they are the founders of the Living Lucky® movement and co-authors of a lifestyle that proves luck isn't something you find, it's something you create.
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Living Lucky® Podcast with Jason and Jana Banana
The Mailbox Experiment: How to Hack Your Brain Filter When You Feel Worthless
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Compliments from the people who love you the most will automatically bounce off when your internal belief wall is built out of shame and isolation.
When you are stuck in a profound low-vibrational ditch—navigating severe physical injury, a shattered identity, weight gain, and depression—your mind operates like a broken filter. It scans your environment exclusively for threats and validation of your own worthlessness, leaving you asking the most dangerous question in personal development: “Do I even matter?”
In this high-leverage episode of the Living Lucky® Podcast, Jason and Jana dust off an unlabelled box hidden on a top shelf and expose a wild, secret relationship experiment that occurred a decade ago. Following a catastrophic leg break that left Jana isolated for an entire year, a doctor issued the smallest possible tactical goal: just walk to the mailbox. What followed was a psychological mystery. Stamped, anonymous letters began arriving with no return address, carrying a single, typed command that short-circuited her depression: “Jana, I know your superpower. You make people smile.”
Inside this episode:
- The Psychology of Spring Cleaning: How clearing physical clutter serves as an immediate neuro-regulation tool to signal safety to your nervous system.
- The Reticular Activating System (RAS) Hack: The exact neurological filtering mechanism that shifts your focus from an anxious threat-detector into a radar for personal wins.
- The Belief Wall Paradigm: Why face-to-face praise from a spouse or partner goes in one ear and out the other, and the exact type of "social proof" required to override your trauma.
- The Creative Care Reveal: The operational truth about Jason clandestinely driving to out-of-town post offices to keep a 52-week undercover experiment alive for his wife.
- The Post-Experiment Paradox: Navigating the complex mixed emotions of finding out you were intentionally duped by the person sleeping right next to you.
You cannot force-feed self-belief through empty affirmations or wishful thinking. True alignment requires manufacturing objective, real-world evidence until the foundation of your new reality is higher than your old walls.
Listen now, subscribe, and activate your internal searchlight to spot your hidden superpowers.
NUGGETS
- Affirmations fail without external evidence. When your internal soundtrack says you aren't enough, your brain rejects praise as flattery. True mindset coaching requires accumulating real data points to validate your value.
- The quality of your life tracks the quality of your focus. Shifting your morning question from "What is wrong with me?" to "Who have I made smile today?" immediately rewires your Reticular Activating System to locate opportunities.
- Isolation turns minor setbacks into massive mental liabilities. When a physical injury halts your physical scale, your spiritual and emotional curriculum compounds negatively if your daily execution drops to zero.
- Supportive partnerships require radical, creative care. When a partner is completely trapped behind a belief wall, conventional logic won't work. You must design an environment that forces them to discover their own worth.
- Your brain demands closure over uncertainty. When handed an anonymous statement, the subconscious mind will actively scan every social interaction—from the neighbor to the local butcher—to construct a logical solution.:
- reticular activating system mindset training
- how to build evidence based self esteem
- overcoming depression after physical injury
- how to break through a belief wall
- creative relationship communication exercises
- positive psychology tools for self worth
- why do i struggle to believe compliments from my partner
- setting micro goals to recover from clinical isolation
- how focus shifts your automatic subconscious filter
- the psychological impact of anonymous validation
- relationship advice for supporting a depressed spouse
- how to change what your brain naturally focuses on
- moving from an identity crisis to radical gratitude
Questions:
What is the Reticular Activating System (RAS) and how does it affect self-worth? The Reticular Activating System (RAS) is a bundle of nerves at the brainstem that acts as a cognitive filter, determining which pieces of information enter your conscious awareness. In personal development, if an individual focuses on worthiness and capability, the RAS highlights real-world evidence confirming those strengths; conversely, if the focus is on lack or failure, the filter screens out positive inputs to reinforce a negative self-image.
Why do individuals with low self-esteem reject compliments from loved ones? Individuals with low self-esteem reject close validation because it directly contradicts their internal "belief wall" built out of shame, doubt, or old trauma patterns. Because the nervous system prioritizes familiarity over expansion, compliments from loved ones are dismissed as biased or unearned flattery unless accompanied by independent, objective social proof.
How do micro-goals aid in depression recovery and mindset shifts? Micro-goals, such as completing a short daily walk to a mailbox, aid in depression recovery by providing the brain with achievable metrics of success. These tiny wins reduce nervous system friction, disrupt chronic stagnation, and trigger behavioral activation, allowing an individual to slowly rebuild momentum and collect the physical evidence necessary to alter their identity.
- Fight Club Upstairs: The secret household parameters kept completely hidden from Jana A raw look inside house logistics where emergencies get managed upstairs so Jana stays unbothered. Discover the immediate comedy of managing internal family chaos.
- The Colonoscopy Analogy: Why you actively resist the exact deep cleaning your mind needs Clearing out physical garages and top shelves triggers identical neurological signals to standard somatic releases. Learn why organizing your environment is an absolute requirement for creative flow.
- Hitting the Mop Lever: The unlabelled box that triggered a decade-old time capsule Discover the precise moment Jana spotted an unlabeled mystery package on the top shelf and tried to knock it down. Learn how hidden physical assets mirror long-repressed emotional baggage.
- 2016 Ground Zero: The triple leg break that induced complete identity collapse Quitting a job, gaining 30 pounds, and spending 12 months in dark isolation. Tune in to hear the raw reality of a peak performance coach confronting the terrifying baseline of clinical depression.
- The Mailbox Prescription: The micro-metric that saved an entire spiritual curriculum When your leg is broken and your soul is withering, global scaling is impossible. Access the precise positive psychology strategy behind a doctor ordering a simple half-mile walk to get sunshine.
- The Superpower Letters: Navigating the psychological mystery of anonymous tracking The arrival of typed notes stating, "I know your superpower." Learn how a minor, potentially creepy pattern-interrupt forced Jana's brain to stop obsessing over failure and begin an active audit of her strengths.
- The Duped Paradox: Managing the complex mixed emotions after a major corporate reveal What happens to your mindset when you discover your grand exterior mystery was actually just your spouse executing a project from the sidelines? Learn why intention beats execution when navigating marital thresholds.
- Overriding the Belief Wall: The neurological data behind why you can't hear your inner circle Discover why face-to-face praise acts like an invisible barrier, and how to configure text streams, micro-notes, and independent metrics to force your Reticular Activating System to see your true capital.
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The 4 pillars of Living Lucky
Believe in yourself
Believe in the people around you
Believe in your circumstances and
Believe that God is working through you, for you, and always conspiring in your favor.
*Previously Recorded
Opening And Cleaning Banter
Jana ShelferAre you ready to create a life you crave? Let's spin that doom loop of negativity into an upward success cycle and start Living Lucky®. Good morning. I'm Jana. I'm Jason. And we are Living Lucky®. You are too. We've been cleaning. Oh, I love it. Yes, because whenever I clean anything that's up high or upstairs, which I've only been upstairs of our house twice since we've lived here.
Jason ShelferMaybe three times. Which feel fortunate for that because that's where Tater likes to go. Whenever we're not here and there's a storm and she absolutely freaks out and has a panic attack, she goes up there and Rhino sprays the whole upstairs. You don't have to call in the cleaning crew and the hazmat team.
Jana ShelferThat's kind of the joke of our house is that whenever something happens that nobody wants Jana to hear or find out about it, it happens upstairs. Take it upstairs.
Jason ShelferIt's like fight club. Nobody talks about upstairs.
Jana ShelferEvery now and then we'll have guests coming. And I'm like, how's the upstairs look, Jason?
Jason ShelferWhat's the first rule about upstairs? We don't talk about upstairs. Not to Jana.
Jana ShelferAnd Jason's always like, oh, it's fine up there. Yeah, no, it's great.
Speaker 2It's like Varnia.
Jana ShelferIt's great.
Speaker 2Sorry you can't get there.
Jana ShelferSo then I'll ask the cleaning lady. I'm like, can you just go upstairs, make sure things are good? She'll come down and she'll roll her eyes.
Jason ShelferThis this is extra. It's actually pretty good up there.
Jana ShelferIt is? Yes.
Jason ShelferOkay. Now you're radio storying. I guess I was radio storying it too. It's not narnia. It's not horrible.
Jana ShelferAnyway, we've been cleaning out some stuff. Now, this is a yearly, it feels like we do this a lot.
Jason ShelferWe do our spring cleaning. I think we often do our spring cleaning twice a year.
Jana ShelferYeah.
Jason ShelferUm, but it's like hardcore twice a year. Here's the thing we feel it.
Jana ShelferYeah, because I I don't know about you.
Speaker 2Empty the garage out. Let's empty everything out.
Jana ShelferWell, I don't know about other people, but for me, when my space is clear, my head and my emotions are clear. It's almost like a clearer signal to God and source.
Jason ShelferYeah. It it opens up the pathways for everything else that we've we're creating. It creates creative channels for things to flow. I get it. I get it. I didn't get it when we first started all this. And I still am not a big fan of those cleaning days. Like that's not like high on my priority list. I'd rather go do something else. But I understand it's like going. It's like going to get that physical where the doctor's like, all right, I'm gonna check.
Jana ShelferYou need a colonoscopy.
Jason ShelferLike you don't want that.
Jana ShelferBend over, baby.
Jason ShelferThank you, Mr. Dover. So I uh you don't want it, but it's one of those things
Why A Clear Space Helps
Jason Shelferthat's like, okay, I understand that this is for the overall benefit of what need what we're doing in life.
Jana ShelferAll right, so getting to the point, I found this box. Actually, there was a box that was not labeled on the top shelf. On the top shelf. And I said, Jason, can you get that box down? What is that box?
Jason ShelferIt was surprisingly heavy.
Jana ShelferNo, it wasn't.
Jason ShelferIt was heavier than I thought it was empty. Okay, so it wasn't labeled.
Jana ShelferAnd if it's labeled, I like I never have anything like that.
Jason ShelferIf you don't get your hands on anything, it's gonna be labeled. Like, I don't have there's not a pair of underwear in this house of mine that doesn't have my name in it.
unknownHuh?
Jason ShelferI thought when I started buying my own underwear, it would not have to have my name in it anymore.
Jana ShelferYou marry your mother.
Jason ShelferThere you go.
Jana ShelferSo there was a box on the top shelf
The Mystery Box Appears
Jana Shelferand it was not labeled. So I said, Jason, can you get that down? Because I had been trying to get it down with the mop. I was like trying to hit it down.
Jason ShelferYeah, it's hard to get things out with a mop with the you can't get any leverage on the sides.
Jana ShelferAnd so I'm like, Jason, can you come reach us? So he comes and reaches us and we open the lid.
Speaker 2Uh-oh, what's inside that mystery box? Somebody's gonna get in trouble.
Jana ShelferAnd we found letters.
Jason ShelferLetters, like 50 letters in there.
Jana ShelferThere was a lot. In fact, I they're closed, they haven't been opened. And let me just give you the backstory on this. About 10 years ago, it was probably in 2016.
Jason ShelferIt was maybe 2015 or 16. It was one, it was right around there.
Jana ShelferI'd broken my leg. I'd quit my job.
Jason ShelferBroken you like in three places, like laid up for a year.
Jana ShelferI gained 30 pounds.
Jason ShelferI your mother-in-law had to come down and take care of you for a couple weeks.
Jana ShelferIt was, I was going through a very, very dark time.
Jason ShelferWe were
Broken Leg And A Dark Year
Jason Shelfergrateful for that. Yes.
Jana ShelferBut it was like from that, though, I went into a depression. I was in isolation for almost a year.
Jason ShelferI was at work 13 hours a day.
Jana ShelferJason was working, and it just was a really sad time. We were both in depression. Jana Banana was very, very sad. And I also was going through a transformation, which I didn't realize at the time, but I literally would say things like, I don't know who I am, I don't know why I'm on this earth, I don't know what my purpose is, I don't even know what I like anymore. Do I matter? I just felt like I was being left in the ether.
Jason ShelferYeah. That's it's it goes kind of goes back to that whole, if you're not growing, you're dying. And it feels like if you don't feel like you're growing, if you like when you're stuck, when you like when your leg is broken in three places, when you aren't mobile, when you when you're physically stuck and emotionally or mentally stuck, yes, things compound quickly. I was stuck spiritually as well. And you feel so you feel like you are withering away and dying. I get it. Yes, and that's right. I didn't realize because I I wouldn't I would not oh I would not look at my emotions, I would not even acknowledge emotions or feelings. So I didn't even realize until months into this that I was experiencing the same things.
Jana ShelferSo my doctor at that time said, you know what, Jana? Just try to get to the mailbox every day. Try to just get outside, get a little vitamin, a little yeah, a little sunshine, movement, a small little walk to the mailbox, which are in our neighborhood, our mailbox is at our clubhouse.
Jason ShelferYeah, it's like a uh almost half a mile.
Jana ShelferIs it yeah? Okay, so it's not very far, but it's far enough to where you're like, okay, that was enough exercise. And he said, just try to get to the mailbox. Maybe not every day, but
The Anonymous Letters Begin
Jana Shelferyou know, every couple days, go to the mailbox. Let's start there. So I started going to the mailbox and I started getting these random letters in the mail. No return address. No return address. They would just say to Jana Shelfer. I'd open them up. They were all stamped. Yes, that is true. And they had one sentence on them, and it was typed, and it said, Jana, I know your superpower. You make people smile. That was the sentence.
Jason ShelferAnd it might not have just been that sentence, but it was a sentence in that vein. That was the first one.
Jana ShelferI know that was the first sentence. That was the sentence. No, I went on this mystery of oh my god, who sent this to me? This is a little weird. This should I call the police? Like I went down this whole of course I was looking at the darkness of it, right? At least it wasn't.
Jason ShelferCut out of a magazine with individual letters.
Jana ShelferYeah, with ransom note.
Speaker 2You make people smile, you make me horny.
Jana ShelferBut it was a little creepy. It was a little creepy.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Jana ShelferHowever, in that vein, I started asking myself, who sent me these letters? That was the first thing. Who sent this letter?
Jason ShelferAnd then who could it be? Who might it be?
Jana ShelferThen the second question that came from that is who have I made smile lately?
unknownHmm.
Jason ShelferWho could have who might have made smile? Could it be the person at Roblex?
Jana ShelferI was not getting out of the house. I was not going anywhere. I I rarely ran into very many people at that time.
Jason ShelferI remember sitting down and you're like, could it could it be Susie? Could it be our neighbor?
Jana ShelferIt could it be I thought it might have been Susan.
Jason ShelferChicken beetle soup because she was not feeling well. And I needed to be a little bit more. And you're like, maybe it was Susie. Maybe it was someone that was walking their dog when I took Tater out and I said hello to them. Because you were going through, you were building the evidence of who did I make some of them.
Jana ShelferAnd then I was like, well, maybe it was the the butcher at Publix because we had a moment. And I thought maybe that was it.
Jason ShelferI didn't know about that.
Jana ShelferWell, you know, it was like a nice little smile expression.
Jason ShelferI see your meat, sir.
Jana ShelferSo I started really asking myself, who did I make smile? Now the next week I got another letter. And it was sl slightly different, but it always had, I know your superpower. You make people light up. You make people smile. You light up a room. You light up a room.
Jason ShelferWhatever. Something that was very empowering.
Jana ShelferAnd uplifting.
Jason ShelferAnd uplifting.
Jana ShelferAnd so again, it like this happened. This went on for about five weeks from my memory. Is that what your memory is? Yeah. And I just got sometimes I would get sometimes I would get two letters a day or a week, two letters a week. Sometimes I would just get one. It wasn't it wasn't like overwhelming.
Jason ShelferRight. It wasn't a letter or two letters a day.
Jana ShelferNo, it was like every couple days.
The Reveal Behind The Notes
Jason ShelferSend them out about every every two weekdays.
Jana ShelferDid you just hear that? Because he just said I. So Jason just went to the next part of the story, which is I finally realized it was my husband. How did we come to that realization? Did you finally tell me? Or did I finally say, is it you?
Jason ShelferI think you finally asked outright if it was me. And I didn't want to lie to you.
Jana ShelferAnd so you said Yes, it is me.
Jason ShelferAnd it because there were nights, I remember when you first started getting them, you would wake up and you would be crying in gratitude because you started building this evidence of you make people smile, you matter, you all all these new new focuses in your life about where your attention was now going.
Jana ShelferYes.
Jason ShelferAnd you'd be like, I can't believe I actually make people smile. Because I could see it always. And because you I would leave you here for 15 hours a day sometimes, and then you wouldn't be able to see how you impacted people when you did go out because you had all that time to think about what you weren't getting done while you were stuck.
Jana ShelferWell, you can imagine that there were mixed emotions when we found out that Jason was the lie. The letter sender. There was mixed emotions there. And there were feelings of I've been duped. I've been on this snipe hunt. Oh, we love the snipe hunt. And then and then there was this, then my heart opened up a little bit, and you you explained to me, you know, I've gone to a lot of work to send these to you. I I literally had to open up a mail or go over to the mail guy and say, I don't want these to have winter garden on them.
unknownYeah.
Jana ShelferLike I would drive places to send them.
Jason ShelferYeah, open up a P.O. box so I'd have a different place to send them from. I can't you can't mail them from your own mailbox to your mailbox. It's uh it's weird.
Jana ShelferBut for some reason, like you started telling me all the work that you went into sending these letters. So it kind of just got pushed on the back shelf and we didn't talk about it anymore.
Jason ShelferAnd we didn't need to send any more letters. One of the biggest goal was for you to see the things that I saw in you.
Jana ShelferAnd so we kind of just left it and didn't talk about it anymore.
Jason ShelferAnd I wasn't ready to throw away the the last 50, because I wanted to do it every week for a year.
Jana ShelferUh-huh.
Jason ShelferAnd just see what that was kind of kind of be my social experiment. It's like on his wife.
Jana ShelferA social experiment on his wife.
Jason ShelferI always recommend that you try social experiments on your wife without telling her. I'm kidding. If you heard that and you thought that was not me being funny, I was kidding. Do not do social experiments on your wife without telling her. It's not fair, it's not humane. Um, it was it was poor thinking, but I did it with the right intention.
Jana ShelferBut and that's where we kind of left it. Like, even though I had mixed feelings about this whole charade, I felt like your intention was out of love. No, no, charade. Your intention was out of love. So we kind of left it. And this past weekend, when I was cleaning out this shelf, we found the box of letters that had not been sent yet.
Building Belief With Real Evidence
Jason ShelferYeah, it's all still stamped. Wonder if we can get those back. They're forever stamped.
Jana ShelferStop! Be frugal. I'm trying to tell a story. Anyway, your experiment worked because over time I did start asking myself more empowering questions and I started to believe in myself. Now, here's the thing. Jason tells me all the time, I believe in you. I believe in you. But when you would tell me face-to-face, it kind of would just go in one ear and out the other. I needed social proof. I needed evidence from the exterior.
Jason ShelferAnd you needed to build that evidence yourself. I think a lot of times we can hear it. And when we hear it from the people that we love that we love, or that even the people that we want to hear it from the most, it might not have the meaning if behind it we're telling ourselves, oh, that's not true, or oh, I don't believe it. Yes. Because we have to get over our own belief wall first. Like there has to be this we have to build enough evidence to it's higher than our own current belief wall so that we can create the new belief of the the the alternate truth. Because there's truth in all of it. Yes. There's truth that like I can talk about my own truths right now. There's areas that I'm not enough. You know, however, I am fully enough because I am I'm fully enough, I'm capable, I have capacity. However, some of the things that I want to do right now, I'm not, I don't have the capacity for. Right. I don't have the capability for, but I'm growing towards it. Right. So there's truth, and I just need to look at the new belief system that I'm building. So it's it's just it's figuring all that out.
SpeakerThank you.
Jana ShelferYeah, I thank you for being here. I feel like 10 years later, finding those letters. Now I think it was a beautiful social experiment. And I greatly appreciate it. And it did work. Ultimately, it did work because it changed my reticular activating
Closing And Where To Find Us
Jana Shelfersystem to find all those wonderful things. The wonderful things about myself.
Jason ShelferHow lucky you are.
Jana ShelferI would do anything.
SpeakerThanks for joining us.
Jason ShelferKeep Living Lucky®.
SpeakerBye-bye. If the idea of Living Lucky® appeals to you, visit us at LivingLucky.com.