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Mozart in the Jungle Recap! Season 2, Episode 3
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Join us as we rewind the scenes of the sometimes-celebrated TV show, "Mozart in the Jungle"! Rodrigo finds out what too many bacchanals means for his housing status and Bradford moves in with Lizzie and Hailey. Gloria reveals a 'shocking' new talent and we're introduced to a very charming oboist with a wealth of musical experiences, but it's all leading us up to Hailey's inevitable debut with the NYSO. Because 5th oboe always goes on tour, right?
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Welcome to the Musician-Centric Podcast. We are two freelance violists living and laughing our way through conversations that explore what it means to be a professional musician in today's world. I'm Steph.
Speaker 2And I'm Liz, and we're so glad you've joined us. Let's dive in.
Speaker 1It's always an awkward start. It feels like how do we start this if we're not like gossiping before?
Speaker 2I know, I know, yeah, for our friends who only listen to Mozart episodes or Mozart recap episodes, we do a lot of chit chat before we get into the real deal in an interview, so it's kind of funny.
Speaker 1Yeah, that part is not fit for general consumption. No, no.
Speaker 2But when we do these, we just jump right in to these crazy.
Speaker 1Yes, and that's kind of how I felt when this started. Crazy, because you know nothing about this episode. It's called it All Depends on you. And what we see at first is Rodrigo in rehearsal. He's on the podium, he's conducting and the musicians are not playing. And I wrote oh my God, they're not playing. Exclamation point, exclamation point, like five exclamation points. And then, oh, okay, this is a dream.
Speaker 2Well, it's funny too, because they're like At first, at first they're like, oh, we're just kidding, and then it gets really dystopian, like Betty's chewing on a celery stalk really loudly.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah. At first I thought it was like a protest.
Speaker 2Right.
Speaker 1Like a.
Speaker 2Like a union, like a strike.
Speaker 1Contract negotiation yeah Me too, protest.
Speaker 2And then it was like no, this is a nightmare.
Speaker 1Yeah, well, I mean, that would be a nightmare too.
Speaker 2I mean that would definitely be a nightmare Also, I feel like he was kind of feeling like he was in a nightmare even when he woke up.
Speaker 1Yes, yes. So Warren. In the dream, Warren hits him with a conducting baton. It's like what?
Speaker 2did, I do.
Speaker 1And he's in bed. And he's in bed with the drum circle girl. So this is a direct continuation of the last episode, where he falls into bed with her. Gloria calls on the phone and she's like what are you doing? Yeah, she's like what you doing.
Speaker 2Hey buddy, what's going on over there?
Speaker 1Well, apparently the super or the landlord who I've ever has called her, reporting that he's having some sort of orgy party An orgy.
Speaker 2Oh, can I back up for a second though? Yes, did you catch this quote that this drum circle girl says to him about his skin? She says it's like I don't understand it. She says it's like a goat skin pouch where I can keep all my jewels.
Speaker 1I don't know she's done some experimenting with some illicit substances, I think.
Speaker 2I wonder if he had a moment of being like Am I too old for this? Like there was.
Speaker 1Yes, well, that comes later in the episode, for sure.
Speaker 2Okay. So yeah, it's not an orgy, though I didn't know what to expect, as we were walking out to the living room with Rodrigo.
Speaker 1Right, yeah. Well, what we see is that there's a party still raging in his apartment.
Speaker 2Still going strong.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, and the super, mr Hamburg. Mr Hamburg, he's like the landlord of the super. He's come to tell him that he's finally affected no more.
Speaker 2Baca Nals in his apartment.
Speaker 1Yeah, shocking.
Speaker 2Yeah, and I don't know. It was really interesting. That whole interaction with Rodrigo was like he's looking around and he's trying to tell them to leave and he's like nobody's listening to me, and then he's like I wonder if he thought it was still in a dream and then he said it's a sign which I love about him, so it's like okay.
Speaker 1Yeah, he does seem like he's on your wavelength.
Speaker 2He's not attached to the apartment, he's just like okay, I can't be here anymore.
Speaker 1Yeah, so he packs up Time to go. He tells everybody to get out. Yeah.
Speaker 2Yep, yeah. And then we transition over to a scene with our girls and Bradford and I wrote down is Bradford actually kind of adorable? Oh yeah, I'm a big fan I was not until this episode, but from that first scene when he's like so jet, lagged and so tired, their interaction was like very, very cute.
Speaker 1Yeah, I wrote. He and Lizzie are in the honeymoon phase. It's a little cute, but it's also a little annoying. They're like you ever had those friends who are like newly dating and everything that the other one does is cute and adorable. And you're like, oh my God, spare me. Yes, yes.
Speaker 2Totally, I did write B.
Speaker 1Bradford, bradford, bradford, that's his name, right it is.
Speaker 2Bradford right I said that. I wrote that, but now I'm second guessing myself.
Speaker 1Yeah, he's being a little annoying.
Speaker 2He's being whiny, did you think?
Speaker 1he was being yes, I like it a grip. Lizzie was on the same trip as you and she looks fresh as a daisy Lizzie's.
Speaker 2she's made of something special. I think so. Then we have literally the polar opposite of the honeymoon stage, with Alex's entrance.
Speaker 1Yeah, he comes out and he's very excited. He's very excited about something. There's this really funny thing that Lizzie says she says he comes out like pumping his fist and he just got off the phone with somebody. Lizzie says did your test come back negative? Your test results come back negative and he goes. He goes. No, that was yesterday.
Speaker 2I know I caught that too. I was like what?
Speaker 1That was a good one too, there.
Speaker 2I thought that was really good. I didn't know what tester was. It was very funny.
Speaker 1Well, I think we're to assume that it's a special kind of test.
Speaker 2It makes all the difference in the world knowing that our faces are on Patreon, because I'm like people are going to see my face with all expression to you. I'm like, how did Hailey feel about that? I mean, yeah, right, I know, ok, anyway, yeah, no, he's very excited about a different call.
Speaker 1Right. So he got a call from his agent who says that he's made it on this reality show called Dance House. Don's House, don's House.
Speaker 2I spelled it D-A-N-C-H-A-U-S.
Speaker 1It's something like German, Germanic or something.
Speaker 2I think it's what he was doing that dumb audition for right.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2But he got on.
Speaker 1Yes, yeah, it's exciting. But also oh, just to rewind a little bit, bradford says that he's going to be shooting at the Ferndale, and I have no idea what that is, but shooting a podcast, I don't understand that either, but anyway. So he invited Lizzie and Hailey to come along to his podcast shoot. Whatever that is Right, but anyway, back to Alex. So he made it on this reality show. Hailey is excited, she wants to throw a party and I wrote that OK, this is the point where they go split-ski.
Speaker 2It's like you're leaving me. Let me throw you a party.
Speaker 1Yeah, she's like clearly excited. Oh, best problems out of my hair.
Speaker 2You know, though I mean I guess, but if you get some really exciting career opportunity and your partner's excited for you, that's healthy, right? I feel like there's an underlying current to the storyline that I'm very troubled, by which we will talk about towards the end of the episode, because I get really annoyed at the end of the episode. But it's just like he comes out and he's like oh, I got on the show and it's going to be so amazing. And then she's like great. And his reaction is like wait, you're not upset, you know. It's like she's just happy for you, dude, like who knows what's going on with her interests.
Speaker 1Well, she seems like she has a very securely attached style and he's kind of anxious, totally.
Speaker 2But this is the thing that annoys me about that character is he was not like that last episode or last season. They totally made him into some clingy, whiny, you know what, so that they could get rid of him.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, they're engineering us to not like him.
Speaker 2Which is not that he was not like this at all last season. No, he was sweet.
Speaker 1He was pretty secure.
Speaker 2Maybe his anxious tendons just started to come out.
Speaker 1I don't know.
Speaker 2So yeah, and also she wore his white tights like ruined them. There was a whole storyline.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, she stretched them out. I'm like girl, I feel you. I feel you because I feel like I'm always the one in a relationship with the bigger thoughts. Like will I ever date a man who has bigger thighs than me? I don't know. I've been at that point in my life, maybe.
Speaker 2Never know what could happen with Aaron in the next decade.
Speaker 1He'll become a bodybuilder.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, he might really build some muscle down there. You never know who knows To be fair. Alex has very skinny legs.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah for a dancer, that's kind of unusual, yeah aren't they usually? Really muscular.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1But anyway.
Speaker 2But also, why is she borrowing his tights? That's gross, I don't understand.
Speaker 1Maybe she thought they were hers.
Speaker 2These lines of conversation are cracking me up. It's just like so silly how much they throw in there that she's not upset, that he's going to be gone, even though she's clearly just saying go do your thing, Like that's really great, Anyway. So on to the next scene.
Speaker 1Yes, we come upon Nina and the orchestra committee at their having drinks. They're looking at the contract.
Speaker 2We're feeling triggered. Yes, we're feeling triggered, yes.
Speaker 1Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2I watched it. What did Cynthia say at the very beginning of it? She was like something like not being too aggressive, like she was like she wanted to be nicer.
Speaker 1Right, I did actually write. I have PTSD from contracting negotiations.
Speaker 2It's true, it's no joke.
Speaker 1But the double entendres are plentiful. One of them is like I can go hard. There's a lot of there's a lot.
Speaker 2There's a lot Hitting us over the head with it.
Speaker 1Yeah, so Nina and Cynthia get up to go use the restroom.
Speaker 2Together. And what happens? They make out passionately, very awkwardly. And they elevate her. Is this the first time they've kissed?
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, it was awkward. It was like a bump and then they started to kiss, like it was. Yeah, I mean, maybe that's how it would go. If you're like just in the heat of the moment, maybe it's not that.
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't know. It made me feel very awkward about it, like it doesn't seem, like maybe Cynthia doesn't do that all the time.
Speaker 2Yeah, yes.
Speaker 1Anyway, Meanwhile the guys are like drinking heavily. That's the best way to get through a contract negotiation.
Speaker 2It really made me think, like on our next meeting, we should do it in the evening and we should have cocktails in hand. Yeah, we need to bring that up to our committee.
Speaker 1Yeah, maybe more people will come to like.
Speaker 2Happy hour.
Speaker 1The orchestra meetings. Yeah, we're all drinking.
Speaker 2Sidebar for our lives. I just have to point out this ridiculously stupid line that what's his name? Union Bob says when she walks out oh wait, what did he say? Because she's come back from the bathroom and he goes tinkle, tinkle, little star.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, that was really inappropriate.
Speaker 2Well, also, it was just so stupid Gross yeah. I'm weird Creepy and yeah, ew.
Speaker 1Never would I say that to anyone, not even in my household.
Speaker 2You should say it to the girls the next time we go to the bathroom.
Speaker 1I will not be doing that.
Speaker 2Okay, so we haven't really gotten anywhere with the negotiations, but Cynthia made out with someone. That's what we got from that.
Speaker 1No, Okay. So then we find out that Gloria has agreed to host Rodrigo at her place since he's been evicted and he just has one very small suitcase that has his necessities in it. I noticed this from several points here on out about the rat tail, that it's still there. And it's even weirder and looks even less like it has actual hair in it.
Speaker 2Maybe we're inching our way towards getting rid of it once and for all.
Speaker 1I hope so. Maybe Gloria convinces him to like.
Speaker 2Yeah, she seems like she wouldn't be really into a rat tail look.
Speaker 1A rat tail no.
Speaker 2Yeah, I love this, I love the scene, I like her place. Her place has a vibe and I really like it. And I like that. He's like I have everything I need right here.
Speaker 1Yeah, he's low maintenance.
Speaker 2He's just the best.
Speaker 1Aw. But then finally we get to hear Bernadette Peters sing.
Speaker 2Exactly I wrote. Bernadette Peters gets to sing with that smiley face, with the hearts around it so excited.
Speaker 1Finally it's so great. They really buried the lead. This is like a whole season and a half in.
Speaker 2I wonder if they didn't initially anticipate her using her singing voice at all, Like if they wrote it into the show they must have, they must have.
Speaker 1She's like a Broadway star. Yeah, it's a legend.
Musical Interactions and Reflections
Speaker 2It's amazing. And they had this beautiful exchange about how she's like, oh, I couldn't possibly. He wants her to sing like on stage. And she's like I couldn't possibly. I'm surrounded by these amazing professionals. I'm just an amateur. And he said that amateur comes from the Latin word amare, which means to love, and so you do something for the love of it, and that's like what an amateur does. I was like that is so lovely, Uh-huh, it's a great sentiment.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2I love that he had some good quotes in that moment too.
Speaker 1Yeah he says, well, he had this one. That I was just kind of. This is kind of cringy. We are all notes in our existence. If we don't play ourselves, no one will. It's true, it's true, but I kind of cringe at that. Come on.
Speaker 2This is the difference between you and me.
Speaker 1I know I love it, though.
Speaker 2No, I wrote that as well, but I mean of course at the core. It just means like, if she has this gift and she doesn't use it, oh yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, I agree with the sentiment. I just thought the words were.
Speaker 2And she's like humming at the end of the scene, so I think she's feeling inspired, which might mean we get her in concert.
Speaker 1Maybe she can like help the.
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Speaker 1So the next scene they're on set at this Ferndale house which is where it's apparently got a lot of history as far as musicians are concerned and they meet this older gentleman. His name is Marcello Gallatelli. Yes, gallatelli, he's an oboist. Is that his real life name?
Speaker 2We need to look him up. I meant to.
Speaker 1Yeah, I meant to also, but let's see You're gonna Google. Yeah, he had a completely different name in the credits, it was Anton something.
Speaker 2But maybe that person is an oboist, or you're right, maybe someone named Gallatelli was an oboist and he was playing Gallatelli. Yeah, I get the feeling this is like a retirement home that houses a lot of musicians, but maybe it's an apartment building that houses a lot of musicians. I guess we'll find out.
Speaker 1Okay, hang on.
Speaker 2This whole scene was so precious. I loved everything about it. I wrote this is my favorite scene in this show Same same.
Speaker 2Yeah, I have like really fond memories of when I was in Philly I studied with, I took rep class with someone who was in his late 70s, early 80s at the time, and I had coachings with a cellist who was in his 90s at the time, both like just Philadelphia historians basically, and especially with the rep class, we would go to this person's house and so it was very much like a historic home in Philadelphia and he would sit there and he would sit there and he would just tell the stories and it was like it was the best it was. So I love this scene too, so much.
Speaker 1Just made me so happy. I had a teacher Ray Scavelli, that's right who, oh, it's a former member of the National Symphony, and my lessons would literally be no less than two hours long, no less, and most of the times he would be telling me about all these conductors who he played under. Yeah, yes, like it was just unbelievable, just the history and the stories, and so I loved this. So, yeah, he's telling her all these stories and, and he has a couple oboes and he's like, yeah, this is the one I use for Baroque and this is the one I use for everything else. And he's like you should play it. And I'm like, okay, and she pulls out a read and I'm like where's this read from?
Speaker 2Oboists.
Speaker 1Oboists. Do you share reads? Do you keep your reads?
Speaker 2or do you just like keep reads in your purse like at all times, just in case?
Speaker 1I bet they do.
Speaker 2It's a question for Alicia, yeah. Yeah, I bet they do yeah it was just like so delightful all the way around, except that she just like, whips out a read and plays an obo and isn't warmed up at all, and she just plays a beautiful solo from Cherizad. So you know, like they do.
Speaker 1But yeah, yeah, he was talking about Puccini, that Puccini opera, and they're playing it in the soundtrack. And I'm like friend, that is not an obo solo in the beginning, that is a clarinet solo yeah, I know. Are we supposed to be listening to the obo solo? Because that's how that is it's a clarinet solo.
Speaker 2But yeah, and we find out at the end of this episode oh my gosh, they're making cocktails. It's just like so great. We found out at the end of the episode that Hailey decides, you know, she's going to let Brad and Lizzie do their thing, because they're really doing well, and she's going to move out on her own Right, right.
Speaker 2So that's what I'm wondering. If this is an apartment building that like she's going to live in, then I know it's not a retirement home, but I was kind of thinking it was like a retirement home, but maybe not. I don't know. I guess we'll see. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1It's just so good. What a happy encounter in there in the courtyard they met this wonderful.
Speaker 2The whole. Thing.
Speaker 1Musicians.
Plot Developments in TV Show Episode
Speaker 2So good, so good.
Speaker 1Yeah, and then we flash to this random scene where there's this conductor having a heart attack on a treadmill whilst conducting Beethoven 5. He overexerted himself Really really hard, yeah, he got too into it and, oh my God, he's called heart attack guy in the credit. No, his character does not even have a name Heart attack guy.
Speaker 2I love it. I was like I wrote, OMG, who is this guy that fell off the treadmill to Beethoven 5 with a laughing bass? And then I wrote, wait, he died.
Speaker 1Yes, he died, and apparently he was the guest conductor that was supposed to conduct the New York Symphony on the next concert. So they had to find somebody new, called around to all their usuals and they came across this guy whose name is Lennox yes, he's a prodigy, apparently prodigy conductor and Rodrigo. This is a surprise to Rodrigo. So he comes in while rehearsal is already in progress and he comes on stage. This guy is conducting and they have a couple words. And he's young, he's cute he goes.
Speaker 2Two of my idols from the older generation, yes, and of course, thomas is unbothered because he's been through it already.
Speaker 1Yeah. And so he has this line where he says what am I supposed to do? This Ferrari is idling with the keys in it, referring to the symphony.
Speaker 2Wouldn't the orchestra just be like who is this guy?
Speaker 1That's a stretch.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, he's a personality. He's going to be one to watch. Yeah, His entrance is very brief and then you hear a baby cry.
Speaker 1He turns around, there's a surprise baby.
Speaker 2A leg ranon tropos on his back. Yes, I roll emoji, I roll major. I wrote oh boy, but I guess Lennox is going to be a new dynamic to deal with.
Speaker 1I like it. He's going to spice things up. Yes, make Rodrigo feel old, exactly. So then we see that Haley and Alex are taking a walk by the river, and here we are. This is what you said earlier.
Speaker 2Saw this coming.
Speaker 1Yeah, Alex is upset, that Hailey isn't upset. Yeah, and she's what kind that is like the worst argument to have.
Speaker 2She's just like being positive about his gig and he's like he says, don't manage my feelings. And then all of a sudden he turns around and he's managing hers, right? No, he's a big he's a big, gigantic baby. You did your job. Writers.
Speaker 1He's a loser and I'm excited that he's going to Don's house. Yeah, but he is more appropriate for her than Rodrigo.
Speaker 2She isn't met her guy yet.
Speaker 1Arguably, anyway. Anyway, if he had been like season one, alex, yeah, you're right, season one Alex was great.
Speaker 2Season two Alex go away. We're done with you.
Speaker 1So, and then they're back on the softball diamond.
Speaker 2With the Broadway jazz bands as their opponent. Jazz hands.
Speaker 1The jazz hands. I missed it. I saw that they were doing jazz hands.
Speaker 2But I did not realize that was the team name.
Speaker 1That's their team name With the Broadway jazz hands.
Speaker 2The maestro's hiding in the tree. Yes, because he doesn't want to beat a bad guy because he's not the bad guy. He's not meant to be the bad guy.
Speaker 1He didn't want to cancel their softball season, nope. But then again and he's still hurt that Hailey had fun at the donor event and then, like get over it, she had a couple drinks. She probably improved donor relations that night.
Speaker 2Yeah, I don't even know that he is aware. I don't think he's aware at all of how he feels. I think he's like clueless about it. He just bothered, but he doesn't know that he's bothered. He doesn't know why he's bothered, and that's going to come to a head at some point, right yeah.
Speaker 1Probably pretty soon here.
Speaker 2But in the meantime, oh, what did he say? He said I'm glad you're not getting distraction by the social distractions.
Speaker 1It's like literally what he said why he's one to talk who just had an orgy at his house. I think it was him.
Speaker 2Oh my god, can we back up for a second? We just forgot to mention this in the scene when he was at Gloria's house and he's using her eye cream and he has it just like as a. He's using it like you know, like war paint, Like he has it like around his eyes, and then he goes in and they're talking about like just him and he's asking her.
Speaker 2He asked her if he thinks she has. She thinks he has goatskin. I don't remember her response, but it made me laugh that he was like insecure about it. But, also I was like that didn't make any, that common made no sense. So it's very funny Anyway. Ok, I'm sorry I went out of order but had to. No, that's fine.
Speaker 1That's great. And then Betty yeah, so there's some trash talking going on. Betty is at bat and the pitcher and she are having some words about I don't know. They're just trading insults back and forth. Well, it gets so heated that Betty rushes the rushes the mound.
Speaker 2He hits her, he throws the ball at, he hits her with it, which says she rushes them in a real baseball game. That is. That's, that's like a fight waiting to happen. Yeah, I was thinking that was the injury. I was like, oh no, he hit her shoulder, like she's not going to be able to play, and then, yeah, she rushes the pitching.
Speaker 1And she hurts her finger.
Speaker 2Like breaks it, we see it.
Speaker 1And she can't oboe.
Speaker 2She can't oboe because she breaks her finger, which of course then means Rodrigo was right about the softball team.
Speaker 1Yeah, actually yes.
Speaker 2So we end the.
Speaker 1And then so she's like so I guess you're the one, Haley, that's going to Mexico, Right? And I was like, why, in all caps? Why is Haley going to Mexico? She's a sub.
Speaker 2Or if she is, she shouldn't be playing principle.
Speaker 1It should be someone from the section no, she's like fifth chair. Didn't we hash that out last season? Maybe she's been.
Speaker 2She's like fifth in line. Maybe she's been playing third or fourth recently. Maybe they have to take three or four, I don't know. Did we talk about this Alicia? How many do they have rostered, like actually rostered? Is it three?
Speaker 1Oh, I forget.
Speaker 2Richmond has two and then an English horn slash.
Speaker 1third Right, that's usually the way it is, but maybe for things like maybe they've programmed Mahler, whatever it was they were talking about eight.
Speaker 2But seriously though, she's going to play principle on the tour. That's insane. That would never happen. It would never happen.
Speaker 1No, but we're going to see it happen.
Speaker 2Brace myself.
Speaker 1Yes.
Speaker 2I'm going to brace myself, yeah, so.
Speaker 1You know what it is I feel like attacked for the second, third and fourth shares, oboe.
Speaker 2Yeah, she's like. Yeah, they're going to be like I earned this job and this girl's just going to jump ahead of me in line.
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't know, and she's fine, but she's no like I don't know. She could get what's his name? Yeah, marcello Gallia Telli.
Speaker 2She doesn't have enough experience.
Speaker 1No, Anyway. So that's the way this one wraps, that we learn that Haley is going to Mexico.
Speaker 2So what if that means Mexico is the next? I wonder if the tour is happening in the next episode. Cool, I know I wouldn't mind. That'd be very Rodrigo heavy probably.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2No, I can't get enough. Except it would be nice if he would cut the rat tail off.
Speaker 1Yes, yeah, that would be good. That would be good character development in my book.
Speaker 2Yes, so we'll pick up with that one in a couple weeks.
Speaker 1Yeah, let us know. Let us know if the rat tail is bothering you, I know, I want to know. And maybe we're just really sensitive to hair, just really picky. Do us Anyway, join us next time.
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