Ghostly Adventures: Journey to Gettysburg's Paranormal Mysteries with Lori and Brandon Spicer

Ever wondered how a spontaneous road trip could spark a lifelong interest in the paranormal? Join us as we chat with Lori and Brandon Spicer, who recount their transformative journey to Gettysburg that kindled their passion for ghost hunting. We reminisce about the unexpected start to their supernatural adventures and chuckle over the quirky contact name I have for Brandon in my phone. Fueled by a love for ghost shows and Civil War history, the Spicers share how their newfound hobby has led them to explore eerie sites and encounter the unknown.

As the conversation unfolds, we unravel chilling tales of ghostly presences and mysterious energies, from the unsettling atmosphere of Saks Bridge to haunting encounters at a local infirmary. With a mix of curiosity and caution, Lori and Brandon discuss their experiences with both residual and intelligent hauntings, emphasizing the importance of respect when communicating with spirits. A particular highlight is the recurring interactions with a spirit named Harold, whose presence offers a glimpse into the delicate balance between intrigue and reverence in the world of paranormal investigations.

We wrap up with thrilling accounts of overnight investigations, detailing the use of spirit boxes and the excitement of exploring historically significant locations like the Malinsville Penitentiary. From the spine-tingling mystery of a pink cell to the intriguing voices captured via the Estes method, these tales promise to captivate every paranormal enthusiast. We extend our heartfelt gratitude to Ellen B Spizzle for joining us, leaving our listeners with a warm invitation to share the show with friends who might appreciate these ghostly tales.

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Speaker 1 4:48

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Speaker 1 7:42

I've known these two forever. He has been on before. We have his lovely wife with him today too as well. I have Lori and Brandon Spicer joining the show. We're going to talk everything that they got going on. They actually got into the paranormal investigating. I wish we could have had them on during spooky season, but we're getting them on now. So, guys, welcome on. How's it going, man? It's going good. How have you been? First and foremost, we haven't got to talk in a while. I've been going good. I've been going good. How have you been? First?

Speaker 3 8:12

and foremost, we haven't got to talk in a while. I've been going good. I've been going good, staying busy.

Speaker 1 8:16

Yeah, absolutely. I will tell you this. The wife does laugh every time she sees your name pop up on my phone, because I still have you and my phone is B Spizzle Since we've worked together.

Speaker 3 8:29

I didn't know that. As long as we've known each other, I had no idea you. I didn't know that as long as we've done this show.

Speaker 1 8:33

I had no idea, I told you that did you think I was kidding?

Speaker 3 8:37

no, you never told me that.

Speaker 1 8:39

I did tell you that then I'm that old, I forget stuff as soon as you tell me because we were at I don't know it was the awards thing for Big Sandy and we were sitting around and we were talking about everybody's names in their phone and I was like I have you in my phone as Beast Bizzle and you just kind of laughed and moved on with whatever we were doing.

Speaker 3 9:02

It must have just went one ear out the other, one ear out the other, just didn't stick to anything. Yeah, it didn't stick.

Speaker 1 9:10

It's stuck in my phone, though it's still B Spizzle in my phone.

Speaker 2 9:12

That's hilarious. Yeah, never change that. Yeah, do not change that ever.

Speaker 1 9:16

I will never change that. It took everything in me not to introduce you as L and B Spizzle, just so you guys know. It took everything in me not to give you that introduction. But you guys recently got into the paranormal investigating soon. So tell us how you got into that, why you got into that and how that's been going.

Speaker 2 9:42

Gettysburg is kind of the catalyst.

Speaker 3 9:46

That was the big thing. I've always been interested in it for as long as I can remember.

Speaker 2 9:52

Oh yeah, even before we got together, we both were into watching the ghost shows. Yeah.

Speaker 3 10:01

But we took a vacation together, a long overdue vacation together.

Speaker 1 10:06

Yeah, what's a vacation.

Speaker 3 10:09

Right, exactly, and we just took a couple days. I mean it had been a very, very long time that her and I just took a couple days. I mean it'd been a very, very long time that her and I just had a couple days, uh, for just us, yeah, and uh, we're like, hey, you know, because we always, you know, our typical go-to is, you know, tennessee. Yep, you know gatlinburg we love that area. Uh, we're not real big beach goers.

Speaker 2 10:33

I've never been to the beach. Yeah, I've never been.

Speaker 3 10:37

We're trying to figure out something to do. I used to do Civil War, reenacting back in the day. I love American history, especially that time period. I love the Civil War era and I was so damn worried about her not enjoying going on to a vacation like that damn worried about her not enjoying.

Speaker 3 10:52

I'm not as big into history as he is going on to a vacation like that, and I've never been to Gettysburg, so I was like man, I would love to go there, and it was a quick from where we live about 6 hours a little less than 6 hours, it's not terrible, let's go.

Speaker 2 11:11

It's a pretty easy drive. The only thing a little less than six hours. It's not terrible, let's go. No, it's a pretty easy drive. The only thing that's rough is you have the turnpike thing that you get in. But you can set up now ahead of time, so that was nice.

Speaker 3 11:25

And yeah, so we chose Gettysburg. I mean, anybody who knows anything about or is interested at all about, gettysburg is supposed to be one of the absolute most haunted places on the planet Because of the sheer amount of death just from the war alone.

Speaker 2 11:46

Yeah Right, that whole area is very, very active. So we did a ghost walk our first first night there. We did a, a ghost walk, which basically they just took us around town at night, um, and gave us the history of some of the buildings, um, and then they would tell you, like, if there were paranormal things that people have experienced. But it was all outdoor, um, it was still really informative and neat. Got a couple pictures that may or may not look like something is in the window. We took multiples, so the lady that ran it was like send that to me.

Speaker 3 12:25

I'm not sure, so I don't know if they ever did anything with them. Anytime you're doing an investigation, it's going to be extremely so. You know, anytime you're doing an investigation, always going to be extremely. You know we we believe in the paranormal, but you know, like I said earlier, everybody thinks oh my god everything's on it, it's everywhere. Yeah, but you know I was.

Speaker 1 12:47

I know we were talking about this before we started actually recording here. You know about people thinking that every place you go to is like all of these tv shows that you like poltergeist haunted polter yeah yeah, extremely objective, um, and you gotta be.

Speaker 3 13:05

I mean, I I believe in the paranormal, yeah, but you gotta be scientific about it. You gonna be very objective about everything you know, um not every sound you hear is from the paranormal exactly how does it?

Speaker 2 13:21

you know how's this settling? It's creaking you know?

Speaker 3 13:25

yeah, oh, my god, is that an orb, or it could just be dust?

Speaker 1 13:27

yeah, yeah there's this thing called dust.

Speaker 3 13:30

That exists, but yeah so but whenever you're taking your picture, you always want to take a series of three, because if you get something on one picture that's not on the other two you potentially might have something.

Speaker 1 13:47

I know I've seen that a lot where people will take like those burst photos and then they will sift through those Like, how much weight do you guys hold to pictures?

Speaker 3 14:00

Well, once again, everything's extremely objective. You know you got to, even though, whatever evidence you get, you're still going to dissect and dissect and dissect. You still can't believe everything that you're seeing with your eyes and everything that you're hearing with your ears. That's the thing.

Speaker 2 14:16

What we saw that the lady was like. That looks like that could be a face going through Jenny Wade's birth house. It might have just been a reflection from a car you never know.

Speaker 1 14:28

Right.

Speaker 2 14:30

I don't hold as much into that, but it was just that was kind of a starting. And then the second night we did uh, uh, one of the groups does a an in tour of the orphanage, um, and you got to actually go into it. They gave you history of it. You could take uh, any of your if you had any equipment or anything which we bought an EMF detector while we were there and we took it in with us.

Speaker 3 15:01

Every single type of post-hunting equipment. Every little bit of it could be debunked yeah, Every bit. However, when you get so many pieces of those equipment together and you're getting so many things all at once, then you might have something, but still.

Speaker 1 15:19

Kind of hard to debunk if you're getting three or four pieces of equipment reacting at the same time.

Speaker 3 15:26

It's harder to debunk.

Speaker 2 15:28

It's still debunkable, but it's harder to debunk it's still debunkable, but it's harder to debunk Like we got the or I was. We went out. After you do the orphanage, they take you outside and you end up on a wall next to the cemetery. That's near there, the big soldier cemetery and I had my arm over the rock wall, so there's nothing around besides stones on the other side and it was spiking to red and it was consistently nothing around.

Speaker 1 16:00

Can't I, I don't know what it was, but being outside like that. You know I yeah I I discredit when they're like, oh, we're in this house that people still live in and this emf is going crazy. It it's like, yeah, there's electrical running through that house, yeah.

Speaker 3 16:18

That's going to make it spike Outside and over stone.

Speaker 2 16:21

Yeah.

Speaker 3 16:22

All the way up to red spikes, where there wasn't anything, there wasn't anything around.

Speaker 2 16:28

It's just for a good couple. I don't know. A minute, minute and a half, it was just going crazy and then it stopped. I'm like do you see this?

Speaker 3 16:40

The ship lighting up.

Speaker 2 16:43

It was neat.

Speaker 1 16:47

So getting into it, you know, for the first time, like, did you freak out when the equipment started reacting to things in your first investigation or were you looking for it?

Speaker 3 17:00

I think you agree, it really gives the bug. So, inside the orphanage, the orphanage in Gettysburg, I really don't know how much you want me to depress your, your listeners, but the amount of tragedy that happened inside of this orphanage, oh my.

Speaker 3 17:21

God. But sitting inside, you know, I just had this overwhelming feeling, just emotional, inside this, and the woman who ran the orphanage during the time period was just so abusive and would just torture those poor kids and put them in situations to kill them and got away with. It was just horrendous to kill them and got away with it was just, was just horrendous. But, um, even in that situation, inside that house, I did not get a sense of uh like feeling overwhelmed with negativity, necessarily, or anything like no malicious, like intense, it was more just emotion. So there wasn't, it wasn't anything scary. Uh when, with the equipment that we were using, uh, we, the hardest part was hearing, uh like the sounds of kids, you know, screaming and crying and calling out for mom.

Speaker 2 18:31

Calling out for mom and dad yeah, it was just heartbreaking.

Speaker 3 18:35

That was hard. So you know, being a grown-ass man, I mean that that broke me. It brought tears to my eye.

Speaker 1 18:41

Yeah, that was rough yeah, that was hard like yeah, there's not I don't want to say there's not a lot that freaks me out when it comes to that stuff, because I, yeah, I'm pretty I don't know.

Speaker 1 18:55

I mean, I'm pretty sure the house I grew up in, my parents house, was haunted, um, but I think it was. My grandfather passed away when I was five because I had a buddy who was into the paranormal and this was well before anything was really super big into the paranormal, and he had a little couple pieces of equipment, some um, oh, now I can't even think of the word um, oh, my god, I know this stuff. A spirit box, yeah, um, like one of the first spirit boxes, and we just had it sitting in my basement, we turned it on and we just completely forgot it was on. We just started doing whatever we were doing at 17, 18 years old whatever 18 year olds do you know. We were doing that stuff and then all of a sudden we just hear the word podunk come from the spirit box and my grandfather had always said that I was a podunk from willy nilly and I smelled like cat pee. That was his kind of joke that we'd always had. He'd always called me a podunk like stuff like that.

Speaker 3 20:03

That's not pre-programmed words like it was just like they hear that.

Speaker 1 20:11

And then another thing it just came up and it said spider behind. And I was like what the fuck this spider behind me like? And I turned around and on my phone charger there was a spider laying on top of my phone on my phone charger. That was right behind me. So I was like, all right, we're done, I'm gonna get out of here for is a second or two and just let this cool off. But you know, just hearing those few things like that's, I think people get the idea like if something's haunted, oh my god, it's malicious, it's, it's a demon, it's this, it's out to hurt you. You know, like, do you get that feeling when you're going into places, like, okay, there's malicious intent behind this. This feels darker, or is it just? You have to let the equipment tell you.

Speaker 3 21:00

Yeah, I can tell you that. So the bridge when we went to the Saks Bridge there in Gettysburg the next was it the next day when we went to leave, the next was it the next day when we went to leave. Yeah, so Saks Cover Bridge there in Gettysburg. It was a completely different feeling when we went to leave. The legend is they hung Confederate soldiers on that bridge as a warning you know Not to come across.

Speaker 3 21:29

Yeah, and there were hundreds and hundreds of soldiers marched back and forth, both Union and Equator, and immediately the equipment we were using, we were getting leave, go, run, like they wanted us gone, like there was no playing around. Yeah, you get some of the places that we've gone, you get some messages like they want us to go on, but this was like no, they weren't yeah, right yeah you know I'm asking.

Speaker 2 22:01

You know, you know you get leave. You want, you want us to leave. Run. Who needs to run? Or did you run, or did you? Do we need to run? You run now and I'm I'm not going anywhere.

Speaker 1 22:16

I'm not running.

Speaker 3 22:18

Then you combine that with. So, like I said, I did some Wolverine IQ back with that. So, walking across this bridge, out of the corner of my eye, I see a Confederate soldier walking up across, walking up around the bend. I see what he's wearing the gray, see the red that he's wearing. I can draw you a perfect picture and I think you know when I look over, oh hey, there's a, there's a reenactor walking up my way. I don't hear any gravel moving on the road, nothing. But I look over real quick and there's nothing there but me. Being the objective individual that I am, it's either a that's my mind playing tricks on me, or B. I saw something that was part of my life that I wasn't supposed to see.

Speaker 1 23:18

You know.

Speaker 3 23:19

So that was a very, it was a heavy presence, feeling. Very, very heavy. Get the hell out of there feeling we didn't stick around at that one long. Yeah.

Speaker 2 23:33

We're going to hit that one when we go back this coming year. Yeah, yeah, we're going to hit that one when we go back this coming year yeah we're going to go back.

Speaker 3 23:44

What is that here?

Speaker 1 23:45

I'm coming back, just so you guys know we're bringing more people with us. Reinforcements to the war, most of the time.

Speaker 2 23:57

It's not an evil feeling. It's usually just more of. Is it aggressive?

Speaker 1 24:05

I don't know Huh. Is it aggression or aggressive?

Speaker 2 24:10

It comes across very aggressive.

Speaker 3 24:13

When it comes to anything demonic. If there's bringer of anything demonic, I don't know I don't. I'm a god-fearing individual. I believe in god.

Speaker 1 24:23

So therefore, if I believe in god, the devil exists too so I don't I don't mess with that I don't deal with that, you know yeah, I don't understand these people and these investigators that like seek out like these demonic places, like why?

Speaker 2 24:39

We also try to be. We're also very respectful. Like nothing is more irritating, I think, when we watch the ghost shows to the people that are exceptionally rude and demanding and provoking. You know we try to be exceptionally polite and let them know. You know we don't mean disrespect, we don't mean harm, we're just curious, you know, and I I'll let them know if there's something they want to ask us.

Speaker 3 25:09

You know yeah, and there's, there's a lot. I mean, there's so many different types of of hauntings. There you have your residual haunts that are just it's the same thing over and over If you think of a tape player just replaying the same thing over? And over again. Then you have your intelligent haunts that you can actually interact with, actually interact with the intelligent hunts. They know what's going on. Your residuals have no clue. It's just replaying the same thing over and over.

Speaker 1 25:43

It's like having your Spotify on repeat.

Speaker 3 25:46

Exactly.

Speaker 1 25:47

I was going to say iPod. I didn't want to show my age that much. You have your iPod on repeat.

Speaker 3 25:55

When we came back and when we found out about the infirmary here in town um yeah, it was a must. God, I love that building, but when we, when we started going in there, um, the stuff that we started getting hits on, um, so we started getting some, like you know, names coming through. Uh, there was a name of Harold that was coming through.

Speaker 2 26:17

Harold came through frequently.

Speaker 3 26:21

So there's a morgue area and quite frequently we would start on that level.

Speaker 2 26:28

That bottom floor where the morgue is.

Speaker 3 26:30

We would start hearing his name Harold, and at first we thought it was probably a creepy old man.

Speaker 2 26:37

Because he would say my name on a regular basis.

Speaker 3 26:40

Oh, it was pretty and and all types of things, so it was probably a creepy old man, right? And so we and we kept going back and back and back and back and we'd interact with him.

Speaker 2 26:51

If he would. You'd hear Harold, you know, is it? Or you'd ask who am I speaking with? And you'd get Harold. We would try to start communicating more. And two times before, when we were there, we had actually split and we had a group of friends that went with us. So he went with one group and I went with the other, and on that bottom level there's a room that is kind of set up like a dining room and we get a lot of stuff in that area. It's right across from the morgue and on that bottom level there's a room that is kind of set up like a dining room and we get a lot of stuff in that area. It's right across from the morgue and Harold had been talking to us. We found out that Harold not a creepy, creepy old man, harold is four, harold is four Okay.

Speaker 2 27:32

Harold is four. We've asked on a couple visits now Brandon. This last time actually got to interact with him um asked the same style of questions that I had asked the first time and got the exact same answers from him.

Speaker 3 27:49

So he's four so he remembers laurie because so the infirmary, I'm gonna, I'm gonna beat back it up here a little bit, okay. So the infirmary, I'm gonna, I'm gonna beat, beat back it up here a little bit, okay. So the infirmary is, uh the area it originally was known as the poorhouse, so you had uh individuals who were uh mentally insane. Uh, you had people who were, who were sick, dying uh orphans the poor that had nowhere to go, the poor that just had nowhere to go, everybody.

Speaker 1 28:20

In this one building.

Speaker 3 28:21

Just came into this one building.

Speaker 1 28:23

It's the perfect storm of people.

Speaker 3 28:25

Exactly, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 28:27

They had a wing on the fourth floor that housed not just an orphanage, but on that same floor, when you come out and up a couple steps, the rest of that area is where they held the people who were mentally unwell and they would chain them to the walls like the. The hooks and everything are still there. So original folks, why you have mentally ill people screaming. You have the orphanage right on the same floor with these young kids hearing this on a daily basis, like it's just horrifying.

Speaker 1 29:07

So yeah, if these kids were hearing that on a daily basis, like, what did that do to them while they were there?

Speaker 3 29:13

Exactly yeah. What did that do to them while they were there? Exactly so, Laurie, one of the things we got out of Harold is Laurie reminds Harold of his mom, oh, okay. So that's why he kind of latched onto her and remembers her every single time we go in and interacts with her.

Speaker 2 29:33

We had gotten an EVP the time before of a young boy's voice. We were. I had gotten a Terrifier plush purse, little backpack and I wore it with me because I was like, oh, it's kind of like plushy. And when we did the orphanage section we got a lot of hits. Emf thing went crazy and I thought I heard whispering. Well, when our son went through the tape and stuff, we actually got an EVP of a young boy's voice saying mom.

Speaker 1 30:06

So we think that might've been Harold.

Speaker 2 30:08

So this last time Brandon got to experience talking with Harold and I had taken him presence.

Speaker 3 30:17

The same day, though, that we got the, the mom EVP, when we were walking into the uh, the orphanage wing it was. It was extremely it was weird, though, when we walked into, you got to kind of step down into that area and, uh, it sounded like I heard a child laugh when we walked into that area. Now, there are other people in the building at the time, so take that as real Could be, could be right, but it was weird because it sounded like it was boom right there.

Speaker 3 30:53

But we were the only ones in that little little section, in that little area, but the floorboards beneath us moved as if kids were running across them so it wouldn't have been like it was your feet causing them to move in that way, because now we were standing still listening we heard the out of body voices, the laughter we stopped. Oh my god, do you hear that?

Speaker 2 31:22

we were listening for anybody else on that floor. There wasn't anybody on the fourth floor.

Speaker 3 31:27

The kids were running out of the orphanage like boom, we're bolted, we're gone. I have no idea how to explain that. No clue. I'm suspending all types of judgment. I'm not saying it was ghosts were gone. I have no idea how to explain that. No clue. I'm suspending all types of judgment. I'm not saying it was ghosts. I don't know what the hell it was. It was freaky. I don't know how to explain it, but it was weird because I could feel the floorboards beneath me moving, as feet felt like they were running out of the orange.

Speaker 1 31:59

Yeah, that's weird me moving as feet felt like they were running out of the orange. Yeah, yeah, that's that 's. I feel like a lot of the paranormal needs to be just classified as well. This is unexplained, yeah, this is not saying it's power wtf, wtf, absolutely Like.

Speaker 1 32:15

I mean, there's things that happen in the Fixer Upper House that we're currently in. I know we were talking about this before the show. I talked about it a little bit on the Halloween episode. We were talking about all things spooky. But again, I don't know if it's me or what, but the house that we're in is haunted, for lack of a better term. We hear people walking around. It sounds like they're walking with a cane. Upstairs the previous owner walked with a cane. He passed away in the house. His wife passed away in the house and we know this because it was our neighbor right across the street, his mom, so it was her house and she was here a lot and you know she told us that they passed away in the house A rocking chair on our sun porch.

Speaker 1 33:07

We hear it creaking in the middle of the night and in the morning, especially in the morning, because they did tell us that he'd like to sit on that sun porch in his chair and drink his coffee. And we hear our rocking chair. You hear it creaking and at first we're like oh well, at first it almost sounds like a bird chirping outside. So summertime, springtime, we're like it's birds. That was what we originally went to, and then we saw the chair moving. Was it windy? We have our windows open. We're windows open, kind of people in nice weather.

Speaker 1 33:48

We don't run AC if we don't have to. Essentially we don't have AC in this house. That's another thing that needs fixed in this house. Is there's no AC, so that couldn't have AC in this house. That's another thing that needs fixed in this house. Is there's no AC, so that couldn't have been that. And the noises upstairs at first were like, well, we have four cats and a husky, so one of the animals are up in our son's room messing around, getting something that they shouldn't be doing, they shouldn't be getting. So, yeah, we have asshole animals that don't listen to anything. And we heard it one night. We're like who the hell is up there? We looked and all of our animals were in the room with us and our son wasn't home. It was just my wife and I. So it's, is it a haunting or is it just something that we can't explain right now?

Speaker 3 34:36

You know, know, that's kind of where we're at with it, but do you feel, hypothetically speaking, if it is you, if it is a haunting, do you feel like it's malicious? Do you feel? Obviously we don't feel by that we're not scared by it.

Speaker 1 34:53

Um we, we yell at it a lot. We yell at it a lot sometimes Because there's sometimes it's like alright Time to chill, lay your old ass down, we're relaxing, just stop.

Speaker 3 35:09

Just in his rocking chair, enjoying his best afterlife.

Speaker 1 35:13

Yeah, it's not that. The only thing that kind of bothers us, I guess a little bit, is, my wife will wake up with scratches on her.

Speaker 2 35:23

Yeah, that's not.

Speaker 1 35:24

That's the part that we're not cool about. And my wife, I mean, she bruises like a peach as it is, so we take that into consideration. She does a lot of heavy lifting and stuff at work. Well, we try to debunk it, I guess Did you hit something at work? Did you run into something when you're lifting the box? Did you catch a corner or something? She says no, it just seems to be geared towards her with that part of it, but other than that, we don't feel threatened by it. They're just. They're just here and we're in their house, essentially, and I think the footsteps upstairs are more residual because it's the same time every day that sounds very residual if it's the same type of thing that you're hearing in the same location same location, same almost pattern, that you could hear him kind of walking in.

Speaker 1 36:22

The one thing we heard was a big thud like somebody fell out of a bed. That was the only thing that we heard. Differently, we don't know how he passed away I mean, he was older. We don't know if he fell out of the bed after he passed or anything, but we hear, and it's just a big, and you hear him, I say him, I think it's him hit the ground, but I don't know, I don't know how to explain that to people. And trying to explain it to somebody who has, like they don't believe in the paranormal, they don't believe in the paranormal, they don't believe in that. They look at me like oh, bono's crazy, okay cool.

Speaker 3 37:01

It's hard to talk about any of this.

Speaker 1 37:03

Anybody who doesn't believe it immediately just look at you like you're a freaking idiot, you know like I mean, our front door slammed closed one day like it and it's a heavy ass door and it takes a a lot to actually push to get it to latch shut and it was completely open and completely closed and latched itself shut like that stuff. It's like why are you slamming doors like we?

Speaker 3 37:34

we try to interact in this house.

Speaker 1 37:36

Yeah, dude you don't pay the bills in this house anymore, motherfucker, like this isn't your house. Stop slamming doors. I'll take the fucking door off the hinges. I swear to god I will. I'll treat you like a child. My son doesn't have a door because he slammed a door once and took his fucking door. So, yeah, like we interact with it that way, but it seems like when we interact that it stops. Do you guys get that on investigations? Like okay, we're getting stuff, now we're trying to interact, and then it just stops sometimes.

Speaker 3 38:11

So I would love to be able to just give you into a location and have it to ourselves. Unfortunately, we don't have that ability because we're poor.

Speaker 2 38:23

Yeah most of those places are quite, uh, quite pricey, yeah, to rent, for, you know, a few hours in the evening when we're in the in the evening.

Speaker 3 38:32

Last time we went, when we were in the spot, we started getting interaction with Harold right. We went in the last time beforehand. Harold asked for a picture book. He wanted a spring and picture book. So we brought him a book for like a four-year-old Clifford Clifford the Big Red.

Speaker 2 38:54

Dog, one of those real thick, chunky books and a little stuffed animal.

Speaker 3 38:58

We brought that in to try to interact with him, but there were so many people this last time that any time more individuals started coming down towards our area wherever we were interacting with, communication stopped. Communication stopped. What's also interesting, we have been able to get communication back that there is almost like a handler of heroin. It's either Marie or Maria. I'm pretty sure it's Marie.

Speaker 2 39:32

I think it's Marie. We've gotten both, but typically, it's either Marie or Maria.

Speaker 3 39:38

I'm pretty sure it's Marie. I think it's Marie. We've gotten both, but typically it's Marie. Yeah, she looked after Harold from that time period and she calls him. She will call for him and she will interact like she'll whatever when we're asking to count. He's four. Harold, you're four. Can you count to four? And we will hear Maria's voice come back telling him to listen and to count and we've gotten, and then we will hear him start counting one, two, three, four. Does it always?

Speaker 1 40:16

end at four.

Speaker 3 40:18

I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 40:19

Does it always end at four? Does he only ever get to four?

Speaker 3 40:22

We've only done that this last time. Yeah, this last time, okay.

Speaker 2 40:26

We haven't. It was so busy that we didn't get as much quiet time with him that we were able to.

Speaker 3 40:34

The last few times that we didn't get as much quiet time with him, we were able to. The last few times that we've been there, we've been able to get back his name, harold, at his age four, every time, multiple times. So it's not just hey, this is a fluke, this is consistent. It's the same sounding voice that sounds like a child, like a boy child.

Speaker 2 40:59

There will be multiple voices coming through all at the same time.

Speaker 3 41:06

An adult sounding female that has an English sounding accent. That helps handle him and watch after him, but you can definitely tell You'll hear adult male voices come through that will talk over him.

Speaker 3 41:26

You try to take over conversations but you can tell Harold is a small boy and he's wanting to talk yes, but so times like when we went out okay, we're done in this area, harold, we're going to build a walk around this other area. If you want to come with us, you can. So to prove that he was with us at the end of this book he had me read that, he wanted me to read the book. He asked me to read the book to him the Harold, the Clifford book.

Speaker 2 41:58

Yeah.

Speaker 3 42:03

It ends with the wolf means that Clifford likes you. That was the end of the book, right yeah. And then we started getting wolf coming back to us through our equipment.

Speaker 2 42:17

So when we would walk places, you'd ask you know, harold, are you with us? And sometimes you would get yes and his name Sometimes it was yes, I'm here. And then you'd get yes, wolf, wolf, yeah.

Speaker 3 42:30

Wolf Wolf.

Speaker 2 42:31

And we're like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 42:33

No other time have we ever why, yeah, yeah I've never gotten wolf before so we were getting wolf wolf, this time after he had after you read the book yeah, and then multiple, multiple locations in the building, multiple floors so it wasn't like it was in the orphanage portion of it.

Speaker 2 42:52

Oh no, Even when we ran, when we read to him, it was down in the dining, the little dining spot, Because that's where supposedly that's what he says, that's where his favorite spot is.

Speaker 3 43:06

His favorite spot. He'll go to multiple areas. That's where he feels safest, not necessarily the orphanage. That's the dining areas where he feels safest, not necessarily the orphanage.

Speaker 1 43:14

It's, that's the dining areas, just that area, the bottom level.

Speaker 3 43:17

But yeah, when we were like, okay, we're going to go to other areas, you know you're welcome to come with us to follow us, and he would respond with letting us know he was there with you know, with Wolf. Yeah, letting us know he was there with Wolf. And when we hear Maria's voice coming through, this British-sounding adult female coming through talking as well, it was like she was kind of guiding him and helping.

Speaker 1 43:44

She was the handler right or the caretaker, I don't want to say handler.

Speaker 2 43:50

She watched over him. I don't know if she was a nurse or if she. Uh, we did learn that a lot of the people that came to the infirmary had had to work, whether it was they had a specific job or they had to help take care of people in the orphanage or in the infirmary orphanage that could not take care of themselves. So Marie might've been there for some reason and maybe her job was taking care of some of the kids.

Speaker 1 44:20

Right.

Speaker 2 44:21

That couldn't take care of themselves because they were too young.

Speaker 3 44:25

There is a psychic that pops in every now and then. He's gotten heralds If he's just pulling her leg or if he's 100% legit, no clue. We ask him if he's gotten that name and he said that yes, he's 100% got it, Marie he didn't recognize. He didn't recognize.

Speaker 2 44:47

Marie, but he has heard Harold and the lady that helps run it said that she's gotten. At least two other people have mentioned that name before, but they didn't know no one's mentioned like how old he is, if it's a kid or an adult, just that they've gotten the name Harold on one of their investigations.

Speaker 1 45:09

Okay, so okay, yeah, I mean that's a lot to you know. Say and try to debunk in that whole capital of a story there. You know that's and that's. You know stuff that you know I I would like to to see, and you know experience. I guess I've always been into the paranormal. I've always believed in you know the afterlife. If you will. Now I know a lot of people say, well, this followed me home. Are you guys worried that when you go on this investigations, especially, uh, going to the same place multiple times and telling harold, hey, you could come with us and follow us, do you worry about him following you home?

Speaker 1 45:55

I haven't been worried about that at all Did I just create a new fear for you.

Speaker 3 46:00

No, honestly, you didn't. I haven't been afraid of that at all. I mean, you know, honestly, I haven't invited that, we haven't invited that to come home with us.

Speaker 2 46:12

Yeah, just to walk around the hall there is literally zero.

Speaker 3 46:18

All of the equipment that we have does not turn on in the house Period.

Speaker 2 46:24

We don't use it here. We won't turn it on here. We won't mess around just to see what's here. No, we don't we do not.

Speaker 1 46:33

Don't want to know what's in the house.

Speaker 3 46:34

No, we don't no.

Speaker 1 46:36

No.

Speaker 3 46:37

I mean, my mother has passed on and quite frankly, I really don't want to know about it in all the ways I've disappointed her.

Speaker 1 46:47

Yeah, I wait for that day, if you know, when you know mom passes has, it's not going to be for a while. I don't think you could kill this woman. Um, um, geez, yeah, but I know, you know I always say I didn't even know, I make the joke. Um, I believe I did it at the show that you two were at at the attic in um, columbus that you know. Thank you for applauding for what my parents are ashamed of, um, the show that you two were at at the attic in Columbus. That you know. Thank you for applauding for what my parents are ashamed of Enjoying stand-up comedy.

Speaker 1 47:20

It normally gets at least a chuckle at the beginning. But, yeah, I don't want to know what she would have to say. Well, what are you going to do now? I'm dead, now I'm just following you and I'm just going to tell you all the ways that what you're doing is wrong. And so, yeah, I don't want to know. And, like we've, do you, do you have? Like, do you use like the spirit boxes, like the apps on your phone? Do you believe in like the apps on the phone?

Speaker 2 47:51

We, we mix them up so, like we've got we, we use one on our phone, um, and a lot of times we'll do what they. I guess it's the Estes method, um, where you do the headphones and you can't hear what the other person's asking and you are just repeating what you're hearing. Um, so we did that in that dining room, uh, couple of times previous um with Austin and Brandon, so Austin was using yeah, austin had a, a different, an actual like standalone spirit box.

Speaker 1 48:28

Okay.

Speaker 2 48:29

Brandon was using something on an app. Okay, brandon was using something on an app, um, and then I ended up kicking my app on and he was using an ovulus and we were getting similar results come through at the same time on all three devices, within seconds of each other. When you're getting so, getting results.

Speaker 3 48:49

To answer a direct response to a question on three separate devices at the same time.

Speaker 2 48:56

Yeah, that's yeah that was a little different yeah that's a little usually we try to switch it up like we'll use. We'll use one for a little bit and then we'll switch to a different to see not if we're getting anything you know you can't prove one thing one way or another, but it's pretty damn creepy Boy.

Speaker 1 49:17

That's a hell of a coincidence, but it is what it is yeah, and you know, do you guys ever want to? And we'll get ready to wrap this up here soon. I didn't realize we were talking for almost an hour now, is it really? We started a little after 7 to get the recording. It's almost 8. So I didn't realize it. I don't care, it's my show. I'll make it as long as I want to make it. But you know it's I am da boss, but Unless your wife's around, yeah, she's in the kitchen, she hears all of this, she knows she married the comedian and I'm going to say some off the wall shit. It's just going to happen. But have you ever wanted to do like an overnight investigation?

Speaker 2 50:09

yes, yeah we want to get a group of people together because one, it's better if you can split and have like groups of two or three in multiple areas to span out. And two, if you have multiple groups going, it helps be able to fund an overnight, because those are typically pricey, because you can split them.

Speaker 3 50:36

We're also constantly buying more and more and more and more equipment. As we get it piece by piece, it's just more things to validate everything that we have and experience that's. You know. It's harder. The more things that happen all at once, the harder it is to debunk, Although there's still hellacious coincidences happen, but damn, is it hard to debunk them all at once.

Speaker 2 51:12

It's still still positive you guys are going to have to come with us on one of them we definitely want to.

Speaker 1 51:19

I told Whitney that you guys were doing that and I told her they invited us on. I wish I didn't have to work. We definitely would have been when you asked us. I wish we would have worked like we just when you asked us.

Speaker 2 51:33

It was like fuck, like I wish like it would have worked out yeah, we're usually depending on how much we're getting hits on. And yeah, that too, we don't usually stay real late. I would say.

Speaker 1 51:45

I. Have you guys ever been to the Malinsville Penitentiary? We'll end on this. It is amazing, and I know back in college I don't know if they still do it anymore, but they had an overnight tour to where they took you through. In the daytime they had a guide, show you all the parts of the prison, tell you the history behind it. You got to experience that. They told you what places not to go to and places you weren't allowed to go to, and then, once the sun went down, they were like all right, we'll see you in the morning and they leave and then you're just free to roam the prison we want to do that with Mansfield.

Speaker 1 52:33

I did that. I did not make it the entire night. I'll tell you this uh, because it's creepy in there, like it's like they've during the tour, like they'll lock you in a cell just to get the feeling. Jesus christ, there's one of my cats scares to hell. I mean, we're talking about a paranormal jumping on a box behind me I didn't see any of that yeah, no, yeah, that's just with the background, it just oh my god, that's fantastic perfect timing for that too as well and anyways.

Speaker 1 53:09

Um, but you know, didn't like that feeling, being that I was getting in the cell. But you know, went around as long as I could and then I just kind of felt like my skin was crawling being in there and I didn't like it. They have a guy that sits by the door in case anybody, you know, either gets sick or, you know, really just can't handle the whole overnight tour. I was one of those guys just banging on the door like, alright, I'm done, I can't handle anymore, I want out of here. That was just the feeling in there.

Speaker 1 53:45

It's a fun experience to even just hear the history about it. To this day I'm 35 years old they talked about one cell but they would not tell you whose cell it was. I have a feeling it was Manson's mom, because it was a pink cell. The walls were still painted pink to this day and she was there and he was there. But they will not. Even if you say, even when you say, like, was this Manson's mom's cell? We don't know, Is the answer it's like you just told me.

Speaker 1 54:24

It's a pink. It's the only pink cell here. The walls are painted pink and there's graffiti still on it and everything. It's a cool place to go and see. I recommend it for everybody. I'm biased. I grew up 20 minutes away from Moundsville in West Virginia in the penitentiary. It's an awesome experience if you guys are into it and you guys can, even for the overnight. It wasn't that expensive. That was way back in the day when I was in college, but still it might not be that bad. It might be something to look into, something that maybe you guys can dip your feet into the overnight tours.

Speaker 2 54:59

Yeah, bucket list is doing Mansfield overnight and doing Waverly Hills.

Speaker 1 55:04

Oh, Waverly Hills.

Speaker 2 55:06

Yeah, oh, that's a bucket list.

Speaker 1 55:08

That's definitely. Yeah, that's a big one, that's, that's, that's. I say that's a big one, that's a big one, yeah.

Speaker 2 55:16

For sure you got to work up to that. That's a big boy, absolutely.

Speaker 1 55:22

But all right, guys, we do have to wrap the show up. I can sit here and talk about this all night with you guys.

Speaker 3 55:27

Real quick, if it's all right, I want to give a quick shout out to Jason Staples Wishing. I want to give a quick shout out to. Jason Staples, wishing him a quick and speedy recovery from surgery.

Speaker 1 55:35

Yep, absolutely, I know we talked about this via text before. I'm so glad you reminded me because I already forgot about it. But yeah, jason Staples, we used to work together. Hope you have a speedy recovery and that you're getting better. Burns are with you, my guy.

Speaker 1 55:53

Love you, bro, absolutely, are getting better. Uh, birds are with you, my guy. So, yeah, absolutely. But on that note, that is actually going to do it for this week's episode of the ride home rants podcast. I want to thank my guest, ellen b spizzle. That is not going to be your guys's name from now on there's no other name.

Speaker 1 56:07

I'm not calling you anything else other than that, that name but Thank you guys for listening, thank you guys for being on, as always. If you enjoyed the show, be a friend, tell a friend. If you didn't tell them, anyways, they might like it. Just because you didn't, that's going to do it for me and I will see y'all next week.