SPEAKER_02 0:00

I'm a little a little under the weather, so I'm not gonna have my camera on, but I wanted to have it on right now so I can say hi to everybody.

SPEAKER_00 0:25

Go ahead, Len.

SPEAKER_02 0:27

Okay, thank you. Um I'm gonna have to get used to this, but I think we can follow back two to three sentences at the most, okay? Gotcha, thank you. Okay, um I don't know where to begin, so I usually start with my higher power and pray for the will willingness to have a message to carry. And if you're new in this meeting, keep coming back and work.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

Dobre mám to prebrať. Go ahead, Len.

SPEAKER_02 1:30

Thank you. I um I came in I came into this uh in in New York State where I am from, we had a bunch of laws called the Rockefeller Laws, which meant that you couldn't you were addicts were considered um criminals, whether they were clean or not clean. If you were a known addict, you were considered a criminal.

SPEAKER_00 1:58

This was in New York as well, Lynn?

SPEAKER_02 2:00

Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:04

V tom čase, ja keď som došla dojna, to bolo tiež v New Yorko, volali sa také pravidlo, ako subne pravidlo. Rockefellowo anglicky. Zaklad právo, ja cujem. A to prostor znamenalo, že dvije závislý sa prostě, že nemohli stretovať. Prosím vás, môžete mi niekto vypnúť, aby si nebol call hostel mloble to food blica.

SPEAKER_02 2:32

When I came into the program, I um you had to be registered as an addict to get any kind of help. You couldn't even legally get help in a hospital if you were an addict. Because an addict was a criminal. So because of that, um I got I was dropping a friend off on my drug collection, and we were going to pick up some something. And I woke a bar and I got to the bar, and I gave her money to buy me some. And she said, no, I'm not selling to you anymore, you're an addict. I said, What do you mean? I mean, I buy from you all the time. And she says, No, she says I'm gonna give you the name of a priest that works under the table with addicts and you can get help from him. So I went and met the feast.

SPEAKER_00 5:09

So the church.

SPEAKER_02 5:12

I went to I went I I called, yes, I called the number and then he gave me an instructions to meet him.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

Okay, go on.

SPEAKER_02 5:31

So um he was able to provide me with well, I didn't know at the time. He was a psychologist, and he was able to provide me with my drug of choice, um, that I was addicted to, um, one of my drugs of choice, and and he he tried to put me an under the table maintenance program.

SPEAKER_00 6:14

Okay. Go ahead, Lynn.

SPEAKER_02 6:18

Don't translate, just a question. Am I going okay for you with the translation?

SPEAKER_00 6:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're good, but um, I'm yeah, two to three sentences. Go go ahead. Go, Lynn.

SPEAKER_02 6:28

Okay, thank you. Um, so um I I met this priest, Father Vince, and he he he he gave me some medication for under the table maintenance to to try to um weed me down on my um dose from what I was on. I was taking 50 pills a day at the time, and uh it was like I'd get down to about 25 and the withdrawal would be so horrible. I had enough of the drug to take to get me feeling well again. Um so in the end, drugs no longer work. And I wasn't well and I was sick all the time from withdrawal. So this preached father Vince's name was. He told me that in order for me to stay in the under-the-table maintenance program, he wanted me to go to an AA meeting every Saturday night. And he told me where to go. And I said, okay, just to please him. And so he said, well, he said, that's great. He said, make sure you go every Saturday. He just starts at 8 o'clock. And oh, by the way, um, I'll see you there. It's my home group. And I thought, oh, heck, I couldn't get away with that. Just pleasing him. I really had to go to the meeting. Well, I couldn't relate to the meeting. Um, everybody there was like um sober and AA, and they um and they once they stopped drinking after their initial withdrawal the first few days, they um they were feeling better and they were laughing and smiling and you know all sorts of things. And and I'm saying they're going through um um flashbacks um from certain medications like drugs, not medications, certain drugs I took. I was going through f flashbacks and um there was nobody in the meeting that was going through flashbacks at seven months please.

SPEAKER_00 10:05

Takže ten rozdíl bože, jaký som začal chodil na tyto AA meetingy, že ti ľudí neveděl som se dobre identifikovat s tými ľuďmi, protože hlavně oni prestali piť a za 2-3 dní už boli trizvi. A že oni nemali Renat, co se povie flashbacks poslovensky? A flashbacky. Takže já jsem ešte po 7 mesiacov brani či nebrania, já jsem mala fourt flashbacky a cítila, tak já jsem necítila dobrá, oni už boli šťastky po trochne a ja nie a mala jsem furt flashbacky and oni to nemali.

SPEAKER_02 10:39

So I went and I said um I went I was going to the meeting and then one night after the meeting um Father Vince came up to me and he said, you know, he says people are coming up to me to say they don't want you at the meeting because you're not an alcoholic, you're an addict, and they don't want you here. And he says, but somebody came up and gave me this book, a little white book called Narcotics for Atmos. And I looked at the book and I went, oh my God, these are my people. I relate to this so much. And I said, where's there a meeting? And he said, we don't have any meetings in New York State. And I went, oh god, what do I do? So he referred me to the AA Young People's Group because they knew some of the NAV somewhere.

SPEAKER_00 12:05

And so Raylan, you went back to the AA meetings again because uh there was no NA, right?

SPEAKER_02 12:12

Well, actually, you're getting ahead of me. Um so what I did was when I went to the young people called them, there were a bunch of them that were going to what was called an NA Roundup north of Montreal in Canada. So, okay, so you went so I'm sorry, so you went to an NA Roundup in Montreal, like a NA an NA Roundup, like a gathering, like a convention, a mini convention. Okay in 1972.

SPEAKER_00 12:44

Okay, because 1972, Išla niekde do Montrealu, Canady na to stretnutie, kde sú ostatní narkomani.

SPEAKER_02 13:00

So I I went to this um uh rehab that they had. They had an NA roundup for the weekend, and it was like just constant NA meetings, and they all spoke in French. So I kind of picked up a little bit of French and learned it a little bit. And they also spoke in English because they knew I spoke English. And I remember sitting there and I learned enough to say, je me fais Lynn addicts, which is how my name is Lynn, I'm an addict. Um in French.

SPEAKER_00 14:12

Wait, my pretty meeting was vo Francus, I am zavislá.

SPEAKER_02 14:24

And I realized that um no matter what language our meetings were in, you could feel the same feelings of togetherness and belonging. And be no longer alone again. And I remember saying I wanted to take this back to Rochester. So I didn't know how to do that, and they gave me a couple of names. I called the World Service Office on the back of the little IT Narcotics Anonymous, and that number had been discontinued.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

Zavolala som do Svetového NA and the číslo už nebylo funktion, and I said um.

SPEAKER_02 15:42

This is a challenge. It's okay. Um I took the book and they gave me some phone numbers of some people on the West Coast of Canada in um British Columbia, and I got a hold of a guy in British Columbia who knew of a guy in Southern California that was working with NA. And so I called him when I got home and I said, Is this NA? Is this Darconics Anonymous? Is this the World Service Office? And he said, in a small gentle voice on the phone said, Well, I'm not NA, but my name's Jimmy, and I am an addict. And um and I just started sobbing out of joy and unbelief that I finally got a hold of this guy.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

And I milostivo povedal, že I nie som I, ale moje meno se volá Jimmy Kay.

SPEAKER_02 17:28

And Jimmy Kay said to me, Where you were you calling from, Lynn? And I said, I'm calling from Rochester, New York. And he said, Oh my God, Rochester, New York, you don't know how long we've been trying to get a meeting going in New York State. So he gave me, he said, I'm gonna send you a group started with a bunch of literature. And I've got your back, and we're gonna make sure you get a meeting going in Manchester. And I says, Well, wait a minute, I I don't have a two weeks clean. And he said, he says, Well, do you have today clean? And I said, Yes. He says, then you have something to offer the addict that has no days clean.

SPEAKER_00 18:29

Takže, uh, so just to be clarified, he's gonna send you like a box literature to start a meeting, right?

SPEAKER_02 18:35

Right.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

Okay, okay, let me translate. Takže on aj povedal, že dobré, že my ti pošleme balíček hnieť ako literatúru, tak niečo ako začiatočný balíček, aby si tam ty mohla začať meeting a ono, že moment, moment, počkajte, že ja nemám ani dva týždň čistoty a on sa aj opýtal, že si neska čistá, že áno, no tak pošleme ti balík a môže niečo začať.

SPEAKER_02 19:02

Wow. The attics with no days clean.

SPEAKER_00 19:19

I told him about the two weeks. You said that you don't have that you only have two weeks clean, right?

SPEAKER_02 19:24

Right, I had two weeks clean, but he said if you have if you're clean today, then you have something to offer the addicts with no days clean. So even with one day, I had self-worth.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

Okay, let me let me go into more. Thank you so much. Um, takže on chce odnova pripominuť, že ona nemala uhala iba dva týždiny čistoty. On se opital odznova, že si nescala čista, že áno, že môžeš viac ponuknúť ľuďom, ktorí nemajú ani jeden deň čistý. OK, go on.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

So um I started communicating with Jimmy on a daily basis on the telephone. And my rent was$120 a month, and my telephone bills were three times that,$300. Um, because this was before we had, you know, three telephone calls. And I ended up going back to the priest that had helped me go through the um the I'm trying to keep going with the whole history, so I'm I'm kind of skipping over some things, but I had gotten clean and had those two weeks clean and had gotten through the um the the rehab. I I went into a rehab, is what happened, but it was for alcoholism. And they had to get a special permission to treat me because I was an addict.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

And and and this is before you talked to Jimmy or after?

SPEAKER_02 21:29

Right. It was it was before I talked to Jimmy.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

Uh detox uh proti alcohol, no, to jedno. Go on.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

Yeah. Um problem we had a starting NA was that having an NA meeting was illegal. Because when one or more known addicts were gathered together, it was called consorting.

SPEAKER_00 22:24

About kriminalita. And you would go to jail, right?

SPEAKER_02 22:29

If you Yes, we we we we had we actually had people go to jail and we had to work it so that we had a meeting in the basement of the rectory of the church and under the w law of uh oh what do they call it um I don't know what it's called like um amnesty or something where you go in to a church and the police can't go go into the into the church after you. So you were safe. You could have your meetings under the under the rule of amnesty or something and it's in the church. And then we made it it we worked it so that um we left one person at a time we made sure that not two of us were together in the parking lot. So we weren't hanging together and consorting quote unquote preload consorting dáv.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

Sanctuary sanctuary po slovensky je po sloven vásť sanctuary takto keď to preložím to posvetné miesto to je proste. Najde to slovo, prosím, sanctuary ako we're looking for the word sanctuary in Slovak. Svetyňa ďakujem hej, okay and and then you were in the parking lot right you couldn't you can you couldn't hang out in the parking lot oh no we had to leave one person at a time from the meeting and one person would go get in their car and leave then another person would come out and get in their car and leave it and made sure that we didn't you know we we did not consort and not hang around together got it let me translate it on the kostele v to pivot policies on the museli opustiť ten kostel out of these narclizing okay go on something to sit on hold on um so I am skipping ahead a little bit we're trying to get NA going um and we're realizing that this church basement in in in this suburb we were in wasn't getting to attics and wasn't attics weren't getting to the meeting and we knew that the attics were in the city like the inner city and stuff and we had to go and and start a meeting in downtown Rochester where the attics were chcemu preskočím ale strašno Rochester and museli dostať and I don't remember how but we got we ended up getting four members together that were consistent for that meeting and we had a Friday night meeting our first meeting was August 31st 1972 that was our first meeting or 73 I mean August 31st 1973 was our first meeting ever in Rochester right okay official meeting by 1972 5.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

31.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

31 augusta 1972 okay um so um after um after several months we weren't getting any better because people were coming to our little group and actually were getting clean but then they went and they said well they wanted the the recovery that AA had and they had more long-term recovery and so they would leave our meetings and go back to go to AA and just continue going on to AA and staying clean and I said how can you um leave NA when they are the ones that got you clean and and you go back to AA that doesn't make any sense to me I mean Jimmy told me really importantly that um you know that alcohol is a drug just like everything else we have and one one drug one disease one program and that made sense to me I I did not get clean in any other 12-star program I got clean in the but I felt I needed help more help okay takže enameting bolo to super and všetci závis povedalich alebo presto brať problém byl v tom že oni hovorili že my chceme to má, že oni chceli to dlhodobé uzdravovanie a to uzdravanie vrátili do A. One tochli do NASA máme jednu chorobu, jeden program.

SPEAKER_02 28:48

Go on so um I finally um I decided I had to go out to California and get some NA behind my back uh more NA than I had gotten up in Montreal and so I went I flew out to California and met Jim D and his and uh a lot of people in the San Fernando Valley and they had like seven meetings a week in in the whole entire Los Angeles area at the time in the early 70s.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

But Jimmy was wonderful he'd go up to the office and knock on the door and he'd go hey there how you doing come on in want a cup of coffee enough kavi podontravice office at that time had been moved to his house he had a little room off of his kitchen that he had the machines in and the files in and that literature and I mean it was jam-packed but it was a little office and that was the first world service office that um that was under Jimmy's house to Svetova enough to bolo to cancelarium to be cancelária vini in the in his house we had a we had a World Service office um on top of a suicide prevention center and we he decided that wasn't such a good idea and so they um that was when he they couldn't get volunteers and they didn't have any paid staff so they just said well you know he'd take it to his house and and and run it with volunteers got it and it was very hard to get volunteers so it was hard to get volunteers to to uh to when he was on top of the suicide prevention uh office right no no no no any anytime anytime anytime got it okay let me let me translate uh notko inač opravujeme prvá kancelária bola v budove nad uhicide prevention prevention a že tam to moc nefungovalo že neval to gym to není dobre miesto nikomu to tam necedelo tak the cancelária se presunula do jeho bytu prostor tam dostať dobrovoľníkov že bolo ťažko dostať dobrovoľníkovali vo Svetom Nen and so um when I got out there he introduced me to several people and he had arranged for different couples in the program to put me up for two, three nights at a time and I'd go like one night I'd be in Hollywood the next night I'd be in Long Beach the next night I'd be in another another you know oceanside or something I'd be in different parts of Hollywood one you know a couple nights I'd be in different parts of LA staying at different people's houses and sleeping on their couch Jimmy will only lask down California presperably Jimmy pomáhalford and so um I was just stunned I thought these people are trusting me and I'm a newcomer and for all I know I could rip them off for everything they're worth in their sleep and yet they let they let me come to their house and say they're complete truck and that blew me away absolutely going to uh the meetings that they had at the time there for a couple of weeks and then I came home to Rochester and and and continued on with our meeting uh still discouraged that we had four four members but everybody else was going to another program to to for their longer recovery and so I just finally got so frustrated after four years of this that I said I'm moving to California and I I did a weird thing happened at work where I worked and I got myself a job transfer out to California Takže ja som sa vračila potom naspäť po parti naspäť do New Yorku proste a furt ľudia pokračovali chodiť do toho druhého programu ja som sa nastrala a zkrátka povedala že som sa presťahovala do Californie a bola to náhoda pretože tu prácu čo mala v New Yu takeli presunúť do California a presiehovala sa do Kalifornia je 15 minut okay um I thought I was I thought I had five okay fifteen good um so I um I said well what I decided to do was I moved moved up to California I stayed with this couple in California for three weeks and found an apartment little did I know it was it was the one apartment that um was in my range that I could afford and unbeknownst to me at the time it was three blocks away from the World Service office at Jimmy's house.

SPEAKER_02 35:49

So I I got different jobs and I got I got regular work out there I worked in the television industry behind the scenes and it was really exciting work but it was very stressful and at one point I ended up having gallbladder attacks and I had to have my gallbladder removed and I ended up with a heart condition became permanently disabled.

SPEAKER_00 36:22

Takže našla som si prácu ja som robila v telke s filmami ale vzadu pozade v telke práca len bola strašne stresujúca a dostala som gallbladder a potom mi to poškodilo srdečko a potom som sa stala invalidna vždy go on i remember where I left off um the gallbladder and you became disabled so I um I while I was on work at work while I was off work I had I had several weeks vacation time uh accrued and and um sick days so um while I was taking sick time I felt good when I just did a little bit so I went over and volunteered at at the World Service Office at Jimmy's house and became um became like I I understand it became his first secretary um at the World Service Office.

SPEAKER_02 37:30

Um I just uh volunteered and I'd go over there and work uh two three days a week um and and put in some time and do do typing, do letters do mimeographs do all sorts of things that they needed and put together what do you call it group starter kids.

SPEAKER_00 37:54

Takže byla jsem taky jako napénke prostě byla jsem teda chora tak jsem se rozhodla že budeme dva tri dní budeme chodit do světového Ena, do té kancelárie, budeme Jimmu pomoct a jsem si tam jsem tam pracovala tři dní a dávala jsem dokopy začatočné balíčky NA pre celý sweat okay go on and Jimmy and Jimmy um ran the office uh without any salary and all the only money he got was from the sale of literature um so he he put on a little set set set charge for um nailing the literature to cover to cover at the cost and and he started we started doing group starter kits and sending out group starter kits to all the groups in the uh world at the time and back in 73 um there were 602 and a meetings in the entire world now there's I mean I don't know how many stop stop I'm gonna get lost with the information it's okay so there were 602 meetings uh what year was this worldwide around 72 or 73 and the year v roku som sa zratila 1972 Jimmy celú tú kanceláriu i celé akciu robil všetko zadarmo a z tých knih, čo sa predalo, boli nejaké peňažky, tak sa to použilo na poslanie literatúry a vtedy v roku 1972 bolo 602 meetingov 602 right in the first world service directory našom zozname bolo 602 meetingov po celom svete v roku 1972 go online um so i I I sat in as secretary to the Board of Trustees one night because the the secretary didn't show up for their board meeting and so I I sat in for one they voted me in for that month and I um was taking notes down on the meeting the business meeting and when they got to the treasurer's report they came up and and and and mentioned that they had 203 dollars in the in the treasury for the World Service Office back in 72. Okay stop takže Jimmy Kay stala prána secretárka Jimmy Kay a jeden večer jedna sekretárka oni mali poradu poradu a neprišla tak mě zvolili z Drady jsme robili nějaké reporty a vtedy povedala pokladník 272 dollars no 203 dollars oh okay sorry a vtedy pokladnikal sveta to byla naša pokladnica okay go on um so we just um we just um we got into where we had about um uh uh three or four three to five um basic volunteers that came in in the evening and that would put the group starter kits together and get it ready for mailing and then on Saturday the uh the guys would pick up all the mail and take it to the post office to mail dostali smeaky dobrovoľníkovity but we had a really major big controversy in fellowship at that time around the mid-70s and one of it being that the East Coast was very unhappy with the fact that they couldn't get literature uh for uh quite a while after they ordered it and so they decided they were going to print their own literature and that started a big big hassle with the World Service Office and and and and everybody and and they just they they were just trying to get literature for from the attics but they didn't realize that Timmy wasn't being paid anything. The groups weren't donating to the office and they had to wait until somebody placed an order to um get the money to order the literature to have the literature sent to them so they thought that's right začinať žiadnu kontroverziu ale vtedy v tých 70 rokoch bola rozdelené Ná a bola to tam a bola veľká kontroverzia protože strana, kde je New York iskolansky povedia východné pobry si objednávali knihy a tie knihy ako neprišli alebo že bolo to tam jako zaphatí začali tlačiť východné pobreží si začalo tlačiť svoju literaturu a to vytvorilo problém a už som sa úplně ztratila ale že vytvorilo to problém a line go on but you haven't really that we were going to be self-supporting and self-sufficient

SPEAKER_02 44:00

And we weren't going to have any bills owed by the World Service Office. We were just going to pay, as we got the money for the literature, we'd pay to have it printed, and then we'd send it out to the groups that place the order.

SPEAKER_00 44:17

Okay, stop. On žil podľa pravidel. And to tak mal, že keď ľudia pošlo peniaze, on pošle knihy a to se nedialo prostor. Let's make na východí chceli dávať zadarmo knihu. Go on.

SPEAKER_02 44:45

Five minutes left?

SPEAKER_00 44:46

Yeah, five minutes. Okay, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 44:50

Um so um wow. Um okay, well, five minutes. Um I'm gonna say that basically to sum it up, we we would we would get together and and and put together the world service, giving the the kids and everything in the evening. And then afterwards we'd break and everybody would go and and grab a uh a bite of food and bring it back, and we'd have like a potluck meal with people that brought food from restaurants and you know uh you know, whatever, like taco bells and stuff like that. And then after at the end after that, we would have an NA meeting in his living room.

SPEAKER_00 45:39

So you would so you would do service, you would put the group packets, you would eat, and you would have an NA meeting at his home.

SPEAKER_02 45:44

Right, right, at his home.

SPEAKER_00 46:14

Yeah, right on!

SPEAKER_02 46:17

Um I don't know what else much to say. He he died in 1985, and um he did he did set up for me at my wedding. Um I don't know if somebody said that they had a picture that they wanted to show. They can show a picture of the wheel. Yeah, good.

SPEAKER_00 46:35

I will show it to us. Lynn, you have so much to share on Jimmy Kay, and you're gonna have to probably come back, but for now. Hovorím, že Lynn má strašně mali to povede, co se týka Jimmy Kay. Uh dneska nestíham ale už končíme. Did he give you away?

SPEAKER_02 46:58

Yes, so he was on the far right. That was my um that was my um ex-husband. Uh well he was an ex at the time, but that was my husband. Uh and then to the to the left of that was uh Lois P, which was Greg Pearson, and then Greg Pearson. Lois P was Greg's wife. Uh Lois T is still alive today, but Greg Pierce passed away some time ago.

SPEAKER_00 47:35

Okay, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, let me translate because I'll get lost. Don't keep to my bivali ex mangel, Louis P. uh. And how were they important to NA?

SPEAKER_02 47:59

Um Jimmy on the right was the founder. He started NA. We know about Jimmy, but Louis P. and just just a quick um Greg Pierce wrote on the triangle of self-inception.

SPEAKER_00 48:15

Wait, stop, wait, wait, wait, let me translate. I knew this one, I just wanted you to say it.

SPEAKER_02 48:31

And Grey wrote the traditions and the basic text. And um he wrote a lot of our literature. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:50

Now a lot of these people are well, Greg that is Greg and Jimmy can be heard on tapes on a tape thing we have called any longtimers.com.com or tampo tamp to me that dole, okay. And Louis P.

SPEAKER_02 49:20

Lois, um she wasn't a member of NA. She was his friend's wife. Oh prepache, Louis P nebox. I can't speak too much of her because I don't want to break her anonymity. Got it.

SPEAKER_00 49:36

No, I thought she was for some reason. I don't know. Okay. Okay, that that's okay. Uh-huh. And Lynn, uh, I wanted to uh before we close it up, is your story written in the basic text?

SPEAKER_02 49:49

No, it's not.

SPEAKER_00 49:50

What? Somebody told me that it is. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 49:54

No, it's not.

SPEAKER_00 49:56

Okay, you have one minute left. You want to say anything else?

SPEAKER_02 50:00

Oh, I I had so much more to say. Um part two, you'll come back.

SPEAKER_00 50:10

We're we're gonna make a part two. Can we agree on that?

SPEAKER_02 50:13

We can agree on that.

SPEAKER_00 50:18

Um chce nam I povedať, chcela by nam pre uh, albo your strašila to, I can povedať ako Jimmy Kyhodili zo Svetovej kancelárie ando, ale to bude chast dwa, andáme čas.