The Prodigy - with Special Guest Cary Evans

Do you know someone who graduated from the 8th grade at age 11?  Graduated from high school at 14?  Graduated from college at age 17?   Had a real estate license at age 18?  Then went to the Marine Corps and Law School.... 

Our guest on this episode did all of those things. 

Is Cary Evans an egghead or a cowboy?   A great episode as we examine presumptions about how people are built.  Cary Evans is an interesting man.  Don't assume anything is the lesson you will take away from this episode. 

Transcript

Cary Evans Podcast
Mon, 4/18 11:29AM • 31:23
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
cowboy, Cary, egghead, marine corps, job, worked, sam, age, talking, boot camp, trust, high school, question, podcast, people, law school, friend, years, grade, pandemic
SPEAKERS
Intro, Sam Fischer, Cary Evans

Intro  00:00
Welcome to cowboys, not Eggheads.  Home of the brave, not home of the fearful. The world needs more cowboys and fewer eggheads. We're everywhere podcasts are found. So tell your fellow cowboys, and let's keep the conversation alive on Facebook and Twitter. And now, cowboys, not eggheads with Sam Fischer.

Sam Fischer  00:32
Prodigy … a young person who has a natural ability to do something extremely well. My friend Cary Evans. Good afternoon. Hey, Sam, how are you? I

Cary Evans  00:43
am fantastic. Good. I don't know about this intro. I'm a little worried. And

Sam Fischer  00:48
here we go. Cary is a former business colleague partner, right, Cary and I have known each other I believe, since about as long as Chris Carr and I have known each other about 2002 ish, 2000. Ish. So for a long time, he is he's just 20 years ago. So it's a long time. It's a generation ago, your kids were small. So we go way back. And I would consider Cary a very close friend. We're not necessarily we'll discuss that we're not necessarily always on the same page. But maybe we are on the same page. But he's a very close friend and advisor and I anything that Cary says I take to heart. During the Bush campaign, we had an affectionate name of Carebear. For him that was so Scott hairlines Stewart came up with that….  we could talk about your name later, maybe? Sure. That's fine. That's everything's on everyone's name. Everything's on the table. Cary is currently the Vice President and Government Affairs. Cary is currently the Vice President of Government Affairs and Community Relations for Virginia Mason. Franciscan Health. Yeah, so yeah, it's a mouthful. That sounds like an adult job. So what do you do? Tell us what

Cary Evans  02:04
that title is changed like three times in six years? Well, you're after merger. It's

Sam Fischer  02:08
a corporate job. That's the title. You'll get this two days from time to time this podcast is it'll be old news. Yeah,

02:14
that's the title work for Virginia Mason, Franciscan Health, a large health care organization, nonprofit, Catholic health care organization in the northwest, one of six divisions of common spirit health nationally. In the northwest, based in the Seattle Tacoma area, we have 10 hospitals, about 300 clinics. More than 2000 doctors and 5000 nurses, including all the community Doc's, it's even more than that, across the whole region. So it's been a tough couple of years during during the pandemic epic to

Sam Fischer  02:47
say, remember, Seattle got hit with a pandemic month before everybody else. And Cary was one of the first people that introduced me or was the first person introduced me the term flattened the curve, he said, You're going to hear this thing called flatten the curve. So welcome the Cowboys not yes,

03:03
this is exciting. It's exciting. I have listened to most maybe not a good loyal listener. Absolutely. And, and I'm not a podcaster I gotta say, so you might you might get me to break the mold. You never know. To listen, not not create as a podcast.

Sam Fischer  03:17
All right, Cary, we're going to do some rapid questions, beginning and so all you got to do is just answer it, and then we'll we'll come back to it. What How old were you when you skipped your first grade? Okay,

03:29
geez. How bout it was from second grade to third grade. How

Sam Fischer  03:32
old were you?

Cary Evans  03:33
I was normal age normal age. Yeah.

Sam Fischer  03:36
And what year were you when you graduated from eighth grade? How old were you when you graduated from the

03:42
boy. So I ended up skipping? I'd have to do the math. A second, a third grade? And I skipped eighth grade. So I can't really answer that question. Okay,

Sam Fischer  03:52
I went from seventh to what year did you enter in high school?

03:55
So started high school. 1718 1311

Sam Fischer  04:00
You're 11 years old and you started high school? And what year did you How old? were you when you graduate from high school? finished

04:05
high school and three years? Not four. So 14 …14.

Sam Fischer  04:10
So you went into college when you were age 14

04:13
graduated college at 17? Almost 18. And I took graduated college. Four years in college.

Sam Fischer  04:20
Wow. I mean, that's incredible. And then and then you're

04:24
making money back what is literally decades ago Samsung so

Sam Fischer  04:27
humble. After that, I think next was law school or was it Marine Corps?

Cary Evans  04:35
There were a lot of breaks in between. Okay, so

Sam Fischer  04:37
what did you when you're 17 So for all you graduate college graduates.

04:41
The problems of skipping grades when I did was I didn't know what I wanted to do. I still might not but for a different reason. I ended up getting my real estate license. My mom always fashioned herself as owning real estate and selling real estate. It's a great thing to do and it was it was good thing to have great experience and I worked for a real

Sam Fischer  04:58
estate 817 was released a year or a year ago. Got your real estate license at 17? Yeah, yeah, that's a hard test brother turned 18.

Cary Evans  05:09
I was 18 at

Sam Fischer  05:09
18. Oh, excuse me. 18 Were you youngest person in the state of Nevada? You grew up in Las Vegas? At 18? Get a real estate license. It really I think it's not easy. Not ever. I mean, that's a hard

Cary Evans  05:22
test. Yeah, there's a background check. You got to get fingerprinted. I

Sam Fischer  05:26
had a real estate license 18 sold some real estate then what didn't sell

05:29
much real estate but made a little a little tiny amount of money and worked for a year and a half and then decided, Hey, maybe I should go back to school? Which of course I did. And that's what I went to Georgetown in DC law school master of public policy.

Sam Fischer  05:44
Oh, Master of Public Policy at age 19. Yeah. 19 to 2119 21. So he graduated masters at age 21. And then

05:53
and then worked on well worked off the hill, but on Capitol Hill in DC for what is essentially a a county government lobbyist.

Sam Fischer  06:04
That's where you met Mary, your wife. Yeah, okay. Yep. Did

06:08
that for a couple years, decided to join the Marine Corps at the time Marine Corps went into the reserves. So you're 21-22 you're in boot camp to 22 ish,

Sam Fischer  06:20
I think boot camp about when new normal people would actually you might have been a little old.

Cary Evans  06:23
I was older. I was a little older, but not the oldest. It's

Sam Fischer  06:26
the first thing in your life. You've been like older than everybody else. So

06:28
there was an expectation that was like, well, you're older. So you understand. Like, we need to organize a few things. I need you to help me organize this. Yes. That doesn't sound fair. Right. Did that for so I was active duty for about a year and then went in the reserves, which was the plan, right, because I you know, joined the Reserves in the Marine Corps. enlisted, not as an officer, even though I had recently finished grad school. The only way at the time to join the Marine Corps and I wanted to be in the Marines and be an officer was to join active duty, because there was it was different times. And I don't know what it is now. But they couldn't be more particular. There. Were there were more, fewer fewer people trying to get the jobs than they had some.

Sam Fischer  07:14
Okay. Well, so Marine Corps, your law school at age.

07:19
So finished Marine Corps. Law school didn't come until 25. So after the Marine Corps, I worked on the Hill for Congress, for law school for most. Yeah, we're a little bit older, a little bit older, but not you know, is maybe average. But yeah, so I took another break, worked on the Hill for a couple of years for Congresswoman hometown Congresswoman, or, you know, became hometown congresswoman from Southern Nevada, where I was born and raised and did that for two years and then got married and

Sam Fischer  07:50
went law school. And he went to law school on normal speed, time, normal speed, real time, everything was everything was normal speed time. Real time. Yep. Yep. Wow. And I do know that you were finance story at some point, your finance director of the Washington state Republican Party, and that's where I started. Finance Director in Nebraska Republican Party now when I was finance director in Nebraska voted party was 92 to 95. And you were I was in law school until 95. Okay, so yeah, it was like 95-96, where you're in Washington, that is financed. Right? That's right. And so I was finance director in Pennsylvania at that time.

08:23
Okay. Yeah. I'm not surprised when I started. Did you go

Sam Fischer  08:27
to  national meetings? Because I, that was part of my gig not until I

08:31
9798. Okay, at the state party, because I was with a candidate before that. So and then candidate became state party chair that works. And

Sam Fischer  08:39
then we kind of connected around 2002 and Stratton Carys held a numerous we will really well, we can I guess there's no there's no lie. I mean, go LinkedIn and figure it out. But I mean, so Cary, and I kind of met in the Bush campaign era. And then Cary and I, Cary and I and Chris Carr, who was on a previous on our premiere this year, were in Nevada and the Bush campaign that's where we really got to know each other was on the Bush campaign in Nevada in 2004. That's right. It was we just pretty much

09:09
on the ground full time instead of traveling, doing things all over it was it was crunch time for me two or three months and you joined pretty soon right after I got

Sam Fischer  09:18
we just discussing this recently, but it was probably one of the most challenging that was months of our career. I mean, it was

09:25
Yeah, I think what I just said this yesterday to you but I've said it for a while is that that experience scarred me. Not necessarily in a bad way. But it was a proud scar but yes, we all wear our scars right is Sheila Barden told us ..her pain like that takes a little bit of your soul every campaign Yeah, that will take some of your soul

Sam Fischer  09:41
Yeah, and you are different role than I was but yeah, I actually remember it with fondness. Oh, yeah. No, I had a great time when I'm poked fun like CrossFit fun like it hurt but it was fun. Absolutely. And Cary is so we've talked about CrossFit a lot on this. And Cary was my is my God. Father of CrossFit. So listeners he begged me for years to get into CrossFit. Finally I get in CrossFit and he exits. So thanks. So maybe I don't like the Hotel California. Anytime you want. Early, Sam finally

10:16
decides to join. And I need to take a break.

Sam Fischer  10:21
My so what I kind of want to focus on in this podcast, though is the your education. I mean, you know, I don't know anybody that graduated from high school at age 14, or whatever it is. You're You're a unique individual. So you have different experiences and probably different perspectives on things. Do you regret doing that? No, no, no, you don't?

10:45
Well, no. What did you think? I think I learned things but I'm not a I'm not a guy that has regrets. Yeah, I'm

Sam Fischer  10:51
not either. I Oh, yeah, it is where it is. Because that's the way it was

Cary Evans  10:55
today because of what happened then.

Sam Fischer  10:56
But what did you miss? i What do you mean not? What did you miss? Try to

11:01
do that with my kids. My kids are passing, right. Why my youngest?

Sam Fischer  11:05
But But But why wouldn't you do that with your kids? Because this is the regret regret answer for being

11:12
two real reasons. One is, there's so much more available today. For someone who is very bright in school. We didn't have AP classes, at least where I was we didn't have the ability to like read beyond the book that's supposed to be read in the class that day. It was like against the rules. The only option, as my parents thought was to skip grades, or be bored silly.

Sam Fischer  11:37
Are you bored? Silly?

11:39
Well, you know, I honestly don't remember early on in second grade. How bored I was right? But I was bored. School was

Sam Fischer  11:45
what level did you learn to read? Do you remember reading?

11:49
I was reading an age three or four or at least age five. I

Sam Fischer  11:53
wonder. Did you watch Sesame Street? Did you? Yeah. What did you watch? Sesame Street? joke to you, dude. I mean, your stuff.

12:01
But yeah, I was like past it. And I was already already and I've seen photos of it. My mom's like, well, this is when, and I remember having conversations with adults coming to the house. But I know living at that house. We moved when I was five. So I was like four or five. And she's like, Yeah, you're just sitting there talking to people like a conversation, you know? And that just, you know,

Sam Fischer  12:20
did you read the newspaper at a young age? I don't think so. What's the first publication that you remember reading regularly? For me? It was US News and World Report. Ground seven.

12:31
Don't know newspaper for sure. All about the news all about the news. So probably the Las Vegas review journal

Sam Fischer  12:37
and read that regularly that is a eight year old or something. Yeah. So again, why wouldn't you let your I'm sorry, we kind of jumped around here. Yeah. What? Why would you not here so well, because

12:49
there's a lot more you can do. Right? Right. But school is about learning. But it's not all about just book learning. Now, there's a big difference. I think you would agree there's a big difference between being intelligent being smart. And if all you do well, yeah, we we talked about good grades. Yes. We might be really intelligent. And you know, I feel like I came out okay, but But are you wiser for the experience? I am now. But then I don't know if I well, did you ever play team sports? No. No. How

Sam Fischer  13:20
could you know? Yeah, did you lose anything by not playing Team sports? was so Marine Corps might have been

Cary Evans  13:27
a little bit of time. Maybe make

Sam Fischer  13:31
you sports and Marine Corps. But do you regret not playing? I mean, you're you're a very analytical

13:35
guy. You play a lot of soccer. I would have played a sport and I would have I think what did you

Sam Fischer  13:42
do socially with the other kids? Did you have? Who is your best friend? Is it as it is? I

13:46
don't know. There were you know, in school. You were moving around Vegas all the time. Right? Say stupid but clubs of this kind or that kind of didn't have

Sam Fischer  13:53
wasn't anymore and best friend in elementary school. Or my was Edie. Edie? Quali? I mean, simple.

14:00
Who's yours? Don't have one. I can't name a best friend. That's something that I missed is that we moved a few times that I skipped Great. How does that mean? I didn't. Didn't. Didn't have I

Sam Fischer  14:09
didn't have a best friend in elementary school. No carry. How did that make you feel?

14:13
I had a friend. I had friends. And I don't remember. Were you thinking about it? Later, I'd skip a grade or we'd move for the school. And you know, it's like, your mom's in the next thing moving around Vegas.

Sam Fischer  14:24
Okay, yeah. Who was your best friend in high school? Mind depending on the grade, but yeah, it depended on the grade. A lot of my friends had been on this podcast so Jim McAfee

14:39
long time ago freshman in high school. No, I was sophomore because I went to boarding school. I left after freshman year. Oh, sophomore year in high school. Yeah. Okay. Catholic boarding school.

Sam Fischer  14:52
I was not it was not a Catholic. Oh, it wasn't funny. He's Catholic, but I'm not I went to a Catholic boarding school but interesting. Who's your brother? Do you have a Catholic right now for the ages of 14 to 17 in college who's your best friend in college?

15:11
Wow, that's pretty close to Kevin Houston. Okay, I kind of lost lost touch with Kevin a little bit but we've been at Kevin, this is where you will find him Peter Donnelly, he's out and about Russ Rody wall that what

Sam Fischer  15:22
are they? What kind of kids were they were these smarter kids? Like, you

15:26
know, I think they were willing to take me under their arm a little. Are they older? Three? I was four years obviously. They're always four years younger than they were. They're all everybody's older at that point. Yeah, yeah. And they were actually all three of them were a year behind me in college. So there's one year closer, so we were three years apart,

Sam Fischer  15:43
right? Did you hang out with any Beavis and Butthead types

15:47
are close to Beavis and Butthead taught real all Beavis and Butthead types? Were we? Well, we

Sam Fischer  15:51
we were but I mean, you know what I mean? I mean, you didn't hang around dummies?

15:56
No, they were all smart guys. They were well, yeah, smart. But not. It wasn't like you. I was probably the nerd of the group. If there if there was still such a thing, then yeah, yeah.

Sam Fischer  16:07
A nerd How? How did you dress back then? Were you an Alex P. Keaton tight

16:11
now. I think I was just normal. I think United what I learned along the way is how to fit in more than anything. Sure. And and much, and I was a little taller for my age. And so that made it a little easier. Yeah. Kind of always had an eye for you know, what's normal. What's quote unquote, normal? Yeah.

Sam Fischer  16:31
It it's a fascinating story, man. In the Marines, you got an education in the Marine Corps.

Cary Evans  16:40
I love the Marine Corps.

Sam Fischer  16:42
Why did you like the marine? Why did you love Well, Marine Corps my

16:45
job in the Marine Corps best job ever that I've ever had I literally considered in court. And along the way you're asked like, do you sure you wanna be in the reserves?

Sam Fischer  16:53
I know you're a scribe in boot camp, who are you talking about afterwards on the air force Carrier.

16:59
So it wasn't on a Carrier but it worked in the air wing. teams worked on F fours in the FA teens as a mechanic I was a technically an engine mechanic, jet engine mechanic but in the Marine Corps at least it's the job is called the flight line. I was the guy doing all the hand signals out on on on the flight line. So catching planes launching planes talking to the pilot that was

Sam Fischer  17:21
a Carrier that was on air force on the ground. That's right.

17:25
Naval Air Naval Air Facility usually, yeah. One of the best jobs ever got to have so much fun out there. How can you not have fun but

Sam Fischer  17:35
but F 18? Was this backup though? Going into the in the boot camp, you're older now. It's a flipped deal. You're now older than everyone else. Not a lot older but older. And so was was age older. As far as experience that is a unique at the time like, wow, for once in my life. I'm of older age than my peers.

Cary Evans  17:58
At the time, no, but

Sam Fischer  17:59
yeah, well, in the Marine Corps, everybody's the same. You're all plebeian scum. But I mean,

18:05
talking about talking about, you know, fitting in and being just normal, like you want to do well, in Marine Corps and boot camp, you better be just normal, simple,

Sam Fischer  18:12
just steady, Eddie. And so that, but that was probably it was a relief to you. Are you like that? Are you there was no expectation was to do your job. Oh, here's the like everybody else. The

18:23
thing. I mean, Marine Corps boot camp was it is hard. It's supposed to be all Boot Camps are hard. Marines like to pride themselves at it. It's the hardest. And then there's more training after that. Then there's warfare training that all Marines go through, which adds to the length of boot camp, essentially. And it's hard. It's physically hard. But the hardest part is mental. Just like you might expect, right? Everyone's like, oh, yeah, it's all mental. Well, it is.

Sam Fischer  18:50
Well, isn't that interesting? It's all about getting in your shoe are all mental in the sense of you learn quickly, so I thought it was easy, and it wasn't the

18:59
medicine? Well, the mental part was easy. The physical part was hard because I never got to the holes. You know, I got

Sam Fischer  19:06
to jump into my cowboy and Egghead analogy now, right? Yeah. You were I mean, we'll talk about that a little bit later, but you're an egghead, essentially.

19:17
100% Egghead, you're all books on point. Less a kid but I was 100% Egghead until some plan,

Sam Fischer  19:23
marine but Marine Corps taught you how to be cowboy maybe maybe

19:27
before maybe started before the Marine Corps a little bit, you know, when I worked for lobbyist in DC, and, you know, you're basically selling what you want to sell to someone on the Hill for for funding, you name it. AIG had a loan doesn't get the sales job done. And my view and maybe that's where it started. Maybe that's where I started learning like, what, what what's you know,

Sam Fischer  19:52
I don't want matter. I don't think a cowboy alone gets the job done.

19:55
But what matters is what you know, how do people perceive what's happening? So maybe it's naked, making himself look like it Help with them? I don't know.

Sam Fischer  20:01
Right? Yeah. Well back to the Marine Corps, then the boot boot camp, you're becoming, you know, a little bit more cowboy ish in the sense. I mean, it was part of development for sure. Right. The job. I want to examine this, this mental thing again, though, I mean, here's a kid that you know, graduated from high school at age 14. Who's now thrust into a situation where who gives us this shit? And you had to you had to? It's a different way thing. It's like, it's actually very simple. Yeah, from what I've observed. I mean, I'm the marine want to be like, I'll never be a Marine. But I probably should have been a marine or could have been a Marine. Marine, Sam, I think I would have been actually, but I would hate bootcamps. It's like everybody that ever went through. Trouble. It's not supposed to come. I mean, here you are. You're, you're stripped down and simple. I mean, in what was going on with that was, that's really very simple. When it comes down to it, follow orders. Listen to what that man has to say. Now, obviously, when someone who you have six people barking at you, it's a little jarring, right? It's a little shocking. You're not and I probably would have, I'll be honest with you, I probably would have froze up. I bet you'd learn you adapt it. But ultimately, all you have to do is whatever the guy tells you to do

21:16
with with 100% speed and trust and loyalty. Yeah. And then it'll be much better without reservation question or stop and think then you're gonna know exactly what type of thinking. So it's not of course not. No, that's the point. And so that puts you you're in a foreign land.

Sam Fischer  21:32
I mean, it was part of your development as a human being to this point. So you've got a mixture of cowboy and Egghead now Oh, hell yeah. And so

21:42
well think I mean, think of a drill instructor. I mean, maybe they're a kid, but they are 100% cowboy in your face. Oh, yeah. Right. Well, they'll learn something. If, but

Sam Fischer  21:53
I mean, let's just be honest. So you want to learn to execute, be a cowboy. That's right. If you want to learn so

22:00
you can talk all day, but we are going to the firing range. And right we'll be judged execute.

Sam Fischer  22:06
That's right. We're going to execute and get things done. And that's a cowboy. I mean, they don't train you to be an egghead, they train you to be a cowboy 100 percent.

22:14
Well, a cowboy. Some people might think being a cowboy means like, you know,

Sam Fischer  22:19
well, cowboy. Yeah, right. You're on your own like, you can't have a negative connotation. cowboy through some of the name 16. Right. No, you're not cowboy in through any I mean, your your training, dedication, but the actual action of doing trust

22:34
and loyalty with who your your life's on the line doin some serious stuff  And absolutely, yeah,

Sam Fischer  22:41
yeah. So what today What are you? Are you a cowboy? Are you an egghead?

Cary Evans  22:47
I knew yesterday was coming. Of course,

Sam Fischer  22:48
I think it's a good question. I don't and I don't know you're really well, and I don't know. I don't know. I don't think you're I think you're more Egghead than cowboy but I don't. I am.

22:57
You're a cowboy. But I boy, some days, I am 100%. Cowboy, and there's no way to get my job done without Bing it. Right. So Right. Because we're gonna get things done. And I'm in communications, like the title is government affairs and community relations. But I have until now been all communications as well, which is all internal and external

Sam Fischer  23:14
during cowboy was a majority your a cowboy with a filter. So

23:19
you know, we have we have the external media, we have our internal communications, we have 17,000 employees, and we, you know, where do we want to go? And how do we want to get there, that part may be a little bit Egghead, doing it all cowboy. So I can't survive. I love my job. I can't do it without both. I just can't. Right. So, my understanding of

Sam Fischer  23:44
cowboys and eggheads? Well, that's fine. Everybody has a different understanding myself included. And I've seen for the record many times on the show. I'm not I am not an NOT, not 100%, cowboy. But I definitely want sam I'm not certainly I right. I'm not but I do I lean more cowboys. So

24:01
let's Yeah, I mean, there's parallels. Of course, if I went away to boarding school, you went away to Yes. No, I was.

Sam Fischer  24:09
I was. Absolutely. That's all on the record. Absolutely. I mean, if I was really a cowboy, I'd be out there a cowboy in

24:16
which I'm giggling at because I know you could do it, but it wouldn't be the first thing you want to

Sam Fischer  24:20
be bad at it. I mean, oh, my god, I just wasn't good at it. So the premise of this podcast is

Cary Evans  24:28
do we need more? Right?

Sam Fischer  24:31
premise of the cow as …  Is? The world needs more cowboys? Cowboys make better decisions. Are you in agreement with that

Cary Evans  24:39
boy? Not 100%. Gotta say not a hundred percent.

Sam Fischer  24:44
Why aren't you agree with that? Well,

24:47
everyone is really, really scared in the last few years to talk about science, like the political politicization of cyber radical and I don't want to talk about it. Of course this I don't want to run the mill pandemic, but eloping but but all the communications that we do we go out in the field, we do surveys, I want to know what the public thinks about some of the big questions that I want to talk about, is that being a cowboy or being an egghead? Well, I want to know what that science

Sam Fischer  25:14
is that I'm an ISTJ is right, I make decisions based on facts as I know them. So I want to know solid facts. When you do that. You do have to use a few.

25:25
Where do we want to go? What impact are we going to have? And then how do we get there? I don't know that there's some egghead in there. There's some statistics in there. There's some relying on some experts and knowing the questions to ask and having done it yourself at some point.

Sam Fischer  25:39
All right, I'm gonna ask you what I asked my egghead friend Jeremy Aspen,

25:44
I'm not a statistician. I'm not the statistician. That's the answer.

Sam Fischer  25:47
So you're your soldier. And so your soldier and you are in a foxhole and shit is hitting the fan. Here comes the Russians or whatever. Would you rather have a cowboy or an egghead, cowboy? 100% Yeah. So when shit hits the fan, cowboy 1105. But as Jeremy pointed out, you do need an egghead in there and so he's gonna run the radio or he's gonna know how to use the so when you have in your hand soldier, and let's not do danger, close bombings but

Cary Evans  26:15
call out the right coordinates. Maybe? Yeah,

Sam Fischer  26:18
right. Right. That's fascinating. Cowboys

26:20
are not I mean, that's not whether you're smart or not. Cowboys are smarter as shit.

Sam Fischer  26:27
Yes. And as

Cary Evans  26:29
well, people make a mistake or was okay,

Sam Fischer  26:32
so here's a question for you. What's the difference between being smart, intelligent and wise?

Cary Evans  26:37
huge.

Sam Fischer  26:38
So what's the difference?

Cary Evans  26:39
Wise is this harder..

Sam Fischer  26:41
And would you say the eggheads are more wise? Or more intelligent,

Cary Evans  26:45
more intelligent?

Sam Fischer  26:46
Okay. And would you say cowboys are wise? Okay. And so what is Why is mean to you?

26:50
Well, that's, that's that's the question, right? Why Why? Why is is all the experience. What is it all? Tell me? Some gut instinct, some feeling? But not like I feel but what's what is? Do I trust this person? Should this person be with me? On XYZ job for whatever reason?

Sam Fischer  27:09
Who do you want in your foxhole?

27:11
That's right. That's right. That's right. I saw a meme and an Instagram meme little, you know, video. And I'd probably have to find out who it was to get full credit. And he was talking about the Navy SEALs. And he said, he's like, I interview with Navy SEALs, because I do all this, like job training stuff. And he's like Navy SEALs, you know, it's the best of the best. And then, and then Team Six is the best of that. Right? And it's like, this is the Team Six. Green Berets are pretty good. And how do you pick who's going to be on the team? And the and the answer is we have a graph, and we scale people on performance, and trust. And yes, everyone wants the highest performer with the highest trust, right? But that's like, that's rare, right? We don't find that. He's like, do you want the person with the highest performance, low trust, or the highest trust, low performance, and he said, 99 out of 100 times, they will always skip on the high performer low trust, because he's toxic. He's not the person you want with you on your team. And we're talking trust about everything,

Sam Fischer  28:11
take him on a solo, he can do a solo mission, but at least I know anyway,

28:15
always choose someone that we trust. That's the lowest performer over the opposite. Fascinating. And he's, but he's like in business. We have 101 ways to measure the other side -performance. But we don't have a lot of ways to measure the trusts. Yeah, so what's wrong? Anyway, I thought was fascinating. That's

Sam Fischer  28:35
good stuff. That was fascinating. It's good stuff. Well, Cary, I really appreciate you like taking time and listeners I don't have the budget to fly him here. So he we're friends and we had a nice weekend together. But you know, it's the first guests that I actually flew halfway across it.

28:49
I kind of insisted. Seems like we can do this by zoom. I'm like, I'm so glad I'm in comms. I don't want to interview a resume.

Sam Fischer  28:55
Person and yeah, you know, weekend's not over yet. But let's face it, you'll always use that. Watch the funny pages for that gotta deal. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So Cary this season. I've got five quick questions to conclude. Now I'm scared podcast. No, you're not. No, no. And it's just it's a rapid fire thing. So it's kind of fun. favorite ice cream?

29:15
Oh, probably not chocolate. I'm gonna say vanilla. Like literally I'm a vanilla guy.

Sam Fischer  29:21
Interesting. Yeah. Favorite cowboy.

Intro  29:24
Oh,

29:26
you mean like anybody? Yeah, I mean, John Wayne comes top. John but that's like it's such a it's such a cliche answer,

Sam Fischer  29:33
but I don't think it'd be that guy. But

Cary Evans  29:36
here we go cowboy. No,

Sam Fischer  29:38
we've talked about I mean, yes, he is. Really? Thinking hang on to powerhorn ranch. Honestly. I don't know if he is a cowboy. He rode like sidesaddle and stuff. Favorite a kid.

Intro  29:52
Oh my god, Sam. Boy. Albert Einstein.

Sam Fischer  30:00
Good one. Thank you for not saying Sam Fischer for further record for guests that

Cary Evans  30:04
came to my mind and I figured I can't say Sam.

Sam Fischer  30:08
Why did you want to say that? Because you just wanted to mess with me or do you really think I'm an egghead? It's an asshole answer. It isn't as well as for you for people to answer that way. You're all you know what? Funny. Your dog person you ever have a favorite dog? Harley Harley. Yeah.

30:25
Tell us about Harley adopted Harley when he was for best they could tell. Yeah, he passed away when he was 16. He was he was around he was a beagle of larger size. Like a couple size beagles. So of course, Beagles are always overweight, but he wasn't really 32 pound. Stubborn as hell more stubborn than you, Sam. Beagle. He hung around till 16 He loved he kept on going good for you. Good guy. Favorite movie. Favorite movie? Wow. See, I'm not a favorite kind of guy. I don't even know what a favorite

Sam Fischer  31:00
name a movie. Star Wars There you go. Hey, that'd be Star Wars. We got it. He was one I have no idea was thinking too much. No. Yeah, I was. Cary. Thank you. Awesome. Get some Sam. This

Cary Evans  31:11
was fun. really humbled to be here. You bet. Yeah.

Sam Fischer  31:13
Get some