Cowboys not Eggheads

The Truman Show - with Special Guests Jeremy Aspen and Tom Becka

May 27, 2022 Season 3 Episode 313
Cowboys not Eggheads
The Truman Show - with Special Guests Jeremy Aspen and Tom Becka
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Show Notes Transcript

Inaugural guest Jeremy Aspen makes his second appearance 18 months after the first episode.  They are joined by Fox 42 KPTM media personality and  former comedian Tom Becka. 

Sam and his guests discuss the multiple issues that are portrayed in the 1998 film The Truman Show starring Jim Carrey and Ed Harris. 

Does modern life reflect the Truman show?  Do we live in an alternative universe?  Have you ever looked at yourself?  Are we on a spiritual journey to search for the truth?  Have you ever faced uncertainty?  Is truth a relative term?   Can you shop for the truth?  Do we all have our own truth?  Are you willing to conquer your fear to pursue freedom and the truth?  Are things funny because they are true?  Is fear a motivator?  Does passion overcome fear?  Do you have to overcome fear to be happy?  Is fear a good or bad thing?  Can fear be manufactured?   Does the media manipulate because consumers shop for the truth?  Is the truth subjective?  Do we live in a hyper reality world today?  Who can you trust? 

Don't miss this special episode.  As a fun bonus Tom and Sam discuss Sam's comedic hero: Sam Kinison.   And Jeremy certainly solidifies his role as an Egghead! 

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Intro, Sam Fischer, Jeremy Aspen

Intro  00:00
Welcome to cowboys, not a gets home of the brave, not home of the fearful. The world needs more cowboys and fewer eggheads. We're everywhere podcasts are found. So tell your fellow cowboys and let's keep the conversation alive on Instagram, Facebook and Twitter. Remember to subscribe rate review and share and now cowboys not a gets we have Sam Fisher

Sam Fischer  00:33
Well here we are 18 months later after the first episode of cowboys, not a kids and I am honestly I'm grateful. I'm grateful and I'm excited and I'm privileged to welcome my friend Jeremy Aspen back to the program 18 months this is hard to believe

Jeremy Aspen  00:47
I am glad you said that I did not know had been that last crazy

Sam Fischer  00:51
and we brought along Tom Becka now Tom Becca probably doesn't need an introduction. But we do have listeners in all 50 states and 35 countries now sorry. Cool. So Tom Becca is a local Omaha PERS TV and radio personality for what? 30 years? About 30 years 30 years so if you don't know Tom Becka is you can catch him on Fox Fox 42k

01:15
PTM Beck has been it's on Fox 42k ptm.com Yep.

Sam Fischer  01:21
And you're on Facebook too. You're preoccupied so during the pandemic, I had to defriend Tom Becca because he was driving me crazy. Alright, he viewed the pandemic a little differently than I did so but we I think we all respect each other. We I don't think there's one guy in this room that's going to agree with everything that anybody says today. Maybe we will maybe we won't, but we are gonna have a good conversation. So thanks, guys for being here. I appreciate it. Thank

Jeremy Aspen  01:48
you for having me. Yeah, really appreciate it.

Sam Fischer  01:50
It's gonna be fun. So the first thing I want to get one of the things that Tom Becca the the only redeeming quality of Baca in my opinion is that he used to used to be a stand up comedian and Tom has been very supportive in my quest to be a stand up comedian which I will do it I promise I've sped it up more than once on this podcast. I will go up there and take the run at it but

02:17
what's your opening joke?

Sam Fischer  02:19
Oh it has to do with CrossFit cowboys I told you quick

02:30
just out of the thing of always say you're a comedian. I'll say something funny.

Sam Fischer  02:33
Shit. It's not the right premise.

Jeremy Aspen  02:36
Yeah, it's like saying to a singer or sing the song you sing you shit.

Sam Fischer  02:43
But so Tom was actually you actually did it for a living for what how long? Five, six years five years live here so you were on the road on the rugged road or open it up for lots of famous comedians and one of them was my hero Sam Kinison. Yeah, yeah. And so will you tell my so, so my listeners know Sam Kinison. Since I was in high school has been I think I lived my entire life is based on some Kinison said I can quote him chapter verse. Just everything I just think he was he was the perfect consummate comedian in my opinion. He had the physicality he had the attitude he had the content brain he had the energy he had the brains and man was this guy. Unconventional i mean i and I'll shut up here in a minute I'll let Tom talk but I just remember seeing a documentary about him that account when he was at the Comedy Store in LA all these people were talking guys like Jay Leno we're talking about guys like George Lopez we're talking about guys like I don't know Seinfeld, but these very, very Jim Carrey Robin Williams, guys that all wanted to stay to watch Kinison because I think he had the midnight spot or something and Mitzy’s place because he was going to talk about stuff that nobody had given up. He's going places no one had ever gone. I mean, a real Lenny Bruce kind of a comedian, but tell me about your your time with Sam Kinison.

04:11
What time was September 7 was minimal, but I worked with a lot of other comics that worked with them a lot. The first comic that ever brought me up on stage open mic night was a Marc Maron Mark was

Sam Fischer  04:23
a door guy at the Comedy Store in LA and he does Yeah,

04:27
and I've got to say the Mark and I are friends. I know Mark when he was in the drug and alcohol days and he was he was not the nicest person to weed them out my friends but I knew him back then and he would tell stories about Sam. One of the stories was how he was staying at the house. You know, the the condo were right behind the Comedy Store. A lot of the comments stayed, and since Mark was a doorman, they're meant to let them stay there. Sam also stayed there. There were nights that mark would sleep in the closet, so that Sam couldn't find them. The party at like four or five in the morning. You know, it'd be waking up

Sam Fischer  04:59
because He's tired of partying too hard to sleep.

05:01
And yeah, and you know, he didn't want to take off Sam because Sam had so much power with the club. So he would actually sleep and sleep in the closet. But, ya know, Sam was I worked with Sam about maybe 334 weeks before he died. He had just just gotten married, he just gotten married. I was in Oklahoma, and he had stopped it. And he's from Oklahoma. And he had stopped in with his new wife, and he had was visiting family and his brother was his manager and everything. And I was I had been at the club, I was working the club and it was like, okay, you know, Sam Sam's working, like, you know, Monday, Tuesday night for the door, and I was in town. So there you go. And it was just a thing where it was like, you know, he was he was a very nice guy, very nice guy. funny as hell. Not every joke that he took that he was working on some new material. And not every joke that he did. stuck, you know, because it was a thing was like, yeah, one of the things that made Sam great was that he was fearless. Yes. And when you're fearless, you're not taking the safe road and you're not taking the safe road. Sometimes you're not going to you know, hit right. Right. And so some of the best comments I ever saw, bombed miserably. Now, I thought a lot of crappy comments the bomb miserably too. But but some of the best comics ever saw originally because they were trying new things. Yeah. Willing to roll the dice. Yeah, you know, the thing that I mean, Sam was his own demons. You know, I mean, Sam had his own demons. That was the thing when I saw him, he was pretty, pretty clean. At the time that I saw him he had gone through rehab, and he was, you know, claim, although when he died, the coroner found they had to he had little cocaine in his system. Yeah, when he died, but, you know, he was, he was not out of control. Right. It was very funny. The crowd loved him. And yeah, but yeah, but his his party and days were legendary. But sewers, like you said, saw his routines. Yeah. You know, I mean, the routines he did about, you know, Jesus's last words, the routines he did about about his ex wives the routine that he did about, you know,

Sam Fischer  07:02
the scene of the crucifixion is where I just got me he was like, on my repeat the joke, but I mean, it was unbelievably, it's so visceral and but funny. I mean,

07:14
it's funny, because you know, what? Very well could have been true.

Sam Fischer  07:17
Very, could have been, it could have been that's what makes things funny. It's because they're true. Yeah. So they're recently and we'll get off this, but recently, I can't remember the gentleman's name. I'll give you the YouTube clip. But he talked about always talking to Rogan about Kinison, and he said that when Kennison was at the height, you know, what the late 80s he had, you know, the videos and I mean, everybody knew who he was all the right party with all the rock stars when he was at that height. He had a gig I think in New York City, we'll just say New York City. And he he basically booked every ex girlfriend he ever had and put them all on the same floor. Just have fun with it. Like they all knew each other hate each other. But that's just Kinison.

08:04
Something else about Sam? Is that if you are one of Sam's guys, or Sam like your act, he will get you work. Yeah. But he was loyal. Yeah, he was very loyal to his to his family, to his friends. And that. So if you were one of his guys, and you know, I mean, there was Karlovo. And some of the ones that were more noticeable. Yeah. But other ones that were just, you know, guys that he saw in light. I know of a comic who wound up getting phone calls out of the blue from plebs saying yeah, Samsung is your book. Yeah. You know, and so yeah.

Sam Fischer  08:40
And generous guy.

08:42
Yeah, very, very much. So. Yeah. So you know, and that's the thing. And you and I were talking a little bit about this little hit the mic. I'm a professional.

Sam Fischer  08:52
It's rigged just to mess with you. Yeah.

08:55
The, you know, we talked about this before the podcast is that if I use you just labeled Sam as being that wild guy, right, that wild that wild, drug addicted, drunk,

Sam Fischer  09:08
crazy womanizer we saw Yeah. But

09:11
that's not who he was. That's not all of who he was. That was who he was. But it's not all of who he was. Yeah. And I think sometimes we miss a lot of the subtleties in life. You don't want to talk about Duggar What is it cowboy? What is it naked? You know, and you know, you would say that Sam Kinison was a cowboy, right?

Sam Fischer  09:29
Yes, yes. I

Jeremy Aspen  09:31
think every comedian is an egghead because you have to be brilliant.

Sam Fischer  09:35
Brilliant. Well, courageous you have to be

09:39
Oh, nobody. You have to be smart. I mean, that's brilliant. But you just have to be it to be really good. You have to look.

Sam Fischer  09:47
Articulate the English language. Yeah,

09:49
that's Yeah. And you have to have some grace and maybe a little bit of stupidity to get up in the first place. You got to be brilliant, you know, a pretty dumb idea to say it's actually stupid. I want get on stage and think that all these people that have no idea who I am are gonna find me fascinating

Jeremy Aspen  10:04
and make a career out. Yeah, that's true.

Sam Fischer  10:07
Well, last thing McKesson is I bought three years ago before the pandemic I was in Tulsa and he buried in a memorial. I think it's called the Tulsa Memorial Cemetery. My uncle was actually buried there. It's one of the largest cemeteries in the country. It's huge. But we had to find his his grave is very, you would you it's a stone that's flat on the ground, and you had to there was like leaves and stuff. And we had to, I'd have to literally, I had to, like, you know, clean is the face plate of this gravestone off and it was very simple, understated grave. And I said, I think I said Sam kiss and another life, he would be a prophet. But it gives me chills talking about it, but I mean, just just very unassuming. He's very dexterous father. But anyway, hey,

Jeremy Aspen  10:52
it would have been more funny if it would have said, still Hi.

Sam Fischer  10:58
DREW. So today, I wanted to talk about thank you for sharing that. I really appreciate that. It's good stuff. What I want to talk about today, we're going to call this episode The Truman Show. And for listeners who haven't seen The Truman Show, go see The Truman Show. It's a fantastic film. And it's was made in 1998. And the premise of the show is, it's Jim Carrey stars is Truman Burbank. He's the unsuspecting star of his own show called The Truman Show. It's a reality television program filled 24/7 through 1000s of hidden cameras, and that broadcasts the world audio to a world audience. Christoph is the show's creator. He's played by Ed Harris, and he's the show's executive producer. And he seeks to capture Truman's authentic emotions and give the audience a relatable Everyman. And it basically goes through the life of Truman, and everybody in the world is watching Truman, and Truman kind of suspects that something's a little bit off. Everything's just a little bit too. What's the word surreal are real sterile, sterile. And it's a fascinating movie. And it I watched it, I don't know, a couple months ago, and I thought, man, we should have a podcast about this. Because it seems I think there's a lot of topics there that we can maybe disgust today, that maybe I feel sort of the same thing is going on sometimes. And so it came out in 98, which I find to be fascinating, because there was no reality TV in 1998. It really didn't start until the journalists till 2000. Was it? Do you guys think it was ahead of its time, the show?

Jeremy Aspen  12:46
Well, so these kinds of thought experiments, as far as movies go, you know, I don't know, because a lot of producers, directors, whatever they are, that make movies. One thing a lot of times I find is that they really do fuel, their artistic, there are stuckness with philosophy. And this is no exception. I mean, this idea of us living in, like an alternative universe, a universe or us being like, The Matrix, like living in an altar, and an alternate universe is is not new. But what that movie did is it made it made it modern, it made it really entertaining. And it made you think, which is kind of the whole idea behind philosophy and these thought experiments, which that movie was,

Sam Fischer  13:37
yeah, what do you think of that movie? We first saw Tom, back in 98, or do you see it later on?

13:41
That's one of the theaters when the when it came out. And I haven't thought about much really since then. Until you brought it up earlier today. It was fascinating. And it goes to the, you know, the old Andy Warhol speech so that, you know, and it's what just come true. You know, if some time everybody's gonna be famous for 15 minutes. Yeah, and that's what it was, you know, Truman had gone through there and, and it was all just very, like, it's a very surreal another movie I put in that same category is being there, which is another one that if you know that one with Peter Sellars, where I've heard of that chance to Gartner and chance to Gartner becomes like this. This expert and these older this expert because he's just repeating things he heard. He has no thought process, but he's basically just if somebody says something. It's a lovely day to day Chelsea. Yes, it's a lovely day today. And regards to Yeah, okay. This guy's thinks just like me, he's a good guy. Yeah, no, it was a very interesting thing. So so

Sam Fischer  14:40
it's like life on flashcards or something. Yeah. So movies, after college, by the way, it's flashcards. So that was a joke. So he laughs Good.

14:52
So So movies like this, I think are interesting because it does give us sort of a look into ourselves in a strange way. You know, I mean, if you look To The Truman Show. Yeah, it was about this guy being observed the whole time. But it really was us sort of like looking almost living vicariously through the character. Yeah,

Sam Fischer  15:09
like in ourselves. Yeah. I think the deeper meaning of the and this, this, this will be fun statement, because you guys might pop it down. And I think the deeper meaning of The Truman Show, honestly, for me, the way I see it is, is it's facing the fear of uncertainty, and being brave in the face of uncertainty. And it's kind of our spiritual journey to seek the truth. So, this will be a 10 minute segment. Go ahead. Go ahead, fellas. Well, I

Jeremy Aspen  15:38
would have that when you when you said when I tried

Sam Fischer  15:41
to download there's I'm not that smart actually remember

Jeremy Aspen  15:43
all that? And that's exactly what I would have said about it being more a search for the truth because to me, it really is like the the entire journey, you know, in life is to have at the end of it a better understanding of how things actually are, like I put a very high value on understanding how things are. And this sort of

Sam Fischer  16:06
that's on your own relative terms.

Jeremy Aspen  16:10
No, I am not a I'm not a relativist when I'm

Sam Fischer  16:13
not but you but you see it that way. I might see it this way. So maybe are things really the way they see Well, the

16:21
problem is with the problem with the word truth is okay. Yeah, well, I mean, if you've got things like two plus two is four, yeah, that's truth. Okay. Yes.

Sam Fischer  16:28
semantics are true. fanatic. Actually, oh, man, axiomatic. autodidactic last time, now it's axiomatic. Go ahead and tell our listeners axiomatic that means

Jeremy Aspen  16:41
it's foundational, it is one of the very few basics from which we build everything else. So So for like a statement, like two plus one plus one equals two. We have to use that as an axiom. And then from there, we can surmise that we can, we can understand that two plus one equals three

Sam Fischer  17:01
Oh, tension, a good alert. Okay, so we all agree the mathematics are true, but everything else is, is kind of what we talked about in the first part, you can shop for the truth, so, but everyone has their own truth. Yeah, we're all seeking our own.

Jeremy Aspen  17:14
I don't think that's I disagree. When I hear people say that we each have our own truth, we all have our own understanding of how things are. But especially since I grounded myself mostly in physics. It there is a way that things are and our interpretation of it is inconsequential to how things are. Now, it's consequential to our lives. You know, we may react to how we interpret something incorrectly or correctly. But the fact that something is moving at seven miles an hour over there is true. Right? Well, I can get into the theory of relativity and all that stuff. But I don't think that anybody can when people use the phrase, my truth is, it's not I try to correct him just say your interpretation, your understanding of how things are is one thing, but it leaves there is plenty of rooms for them to have. I

Sam Fischer  18:14
have purse sweatpants upstairs, I should go get them. But I swear on the Bible, they're black. My wife says they're blue.

18:23
When I was doing talk radio, you know, I mean, my slogan was honesty, integrity and a sense of humor. Because you're right, I want to talk radio host say, I've got the truth. Here's the truth. No, no, this is my honest opinion.

Sam Fischer  18:35
What's the truth for those that want to shop for your truth? Yeah,

18:38
yeah. You know, but but, but it's not. I'll be honest shot. This is what I believe this is what I think. Yeah, but yeah, but you know, but it's not that I don't know if it's the truth, you know, my views. You know, I mean, if if, like, like when you get into in the faith, if somebody says that, you know, they believe that their religion is the truth, the true religion. No, this is what your belief I'll respect if it's your belief, if you're telling me that it's the truth, I can't respect that.

Jeremy Aspen  19:05
And then to the point of black versus blue. Okay, here we go. Just really quickly, physics man will axiomatic Black is a pure black is to absorb all light, right? That's how we would define the color black. So, so blue reflects certain a certain wavelength, which is in the blue spectrum. So

Sam Fischer  19:30
but I see it is black. Yeah. You have a bit of a shit about your spectra thing. I want to see it is black.

Jeremy Aspen  19:38
What if you're colorblind? What if you're colorblind? And you're actually and you're looking? Exactly. So not everybody has colored vision? No, that's right. But if you're looking at something that's blue, it's still blue, whether or not your brain interprets it that way.

19:53
Okay, but now for instance,

Sam Fischer  19:54
I'm gonna take you back to me, Tom, we're gonna talk this Talking about, like, you know, people that aren't from outer space. Yeah, you're right.

20:06
Okay, so you're wearing a red, a red sweatshirt

Sam Fischer  20:09
I would agree with. I don't know what Jeremy thinks it is. He hasn't got a spec.

20:14
But hold on a sec looks pink. But hold on. How do I know? Okay, so this is how I perceive red. All right. But to you that may actually, I mean, you may call it red, because but it may actually be what I would call blue. Because I don't know what you're actually seeing.

Jeremy Aspen  20:29
There's actually even studies on that exact topic.

Intro  20:32
Oh, tension, a good alert.

20:37
done research on this topic.

Jeremy Aspen  20:39
I've not done any research ever on anything. I do read it. I do read it.

20:43
Do your lips get tired? I'm sorry, inner voice, the inner voice your voice.

Sam Fischer  20:55
Voice All right, so Wow, relative truth. But there's no such thing. So you can just focus on the truth of that statement. I'm gonna repeat the statement because that wasn't really I mean, that was the end result of the statement was the deeper meaning of The Truman Show for me was in the face, or in the face of the fear of the uncertainty. We were on a spiritual journey to find the truth. To me, the word fear and that statement, is the most important part of the movie. And that is that Truman is programmed to think that the waters will kill him that they are dangerous, dangerous, remember, they, they they his father died in a boat wreck. And he went everywhere on the island other than he couldn't get out on the ocean, he tried to get on the road and all sudden, they have these manufactured, you know, trees down and the guy could never leave the island. But so his only way out was the water. And then the end of the day, he was willing to conquer his fear, to see what was out there. So to me, that's what the deeper meanings so we talked about the truth, let's talk about the fear part of it.

Jeremy Aspen  22:09
Well, for me, when I interpret the way that I interpreted that in the movie was that he was excited. And that that's what it felt like to have that kind of a why,

Sam Fischer  22:19
you know why he was excited? Because he was pursuing freedom.

Jeremy Aspen  22:23
Yeah, I would say or at least the prospect that there might be freedom. Yeah. Which is even more exciting. Right, right. Yeah. Tom,

22:32
are you well, I'm gonna recommend because I haven't seen the movie recently. But, you know, but

Sam Fischer  22:39
when, when he's out on the, I mean, when he's out on the ocean, Christophe is like, you know, like they're trying to they basically are trying to kill him because they they are able to manipulate the waves and, you know, and he like, you can't kill him and he's like, he's yelling you whoever you can't kill and so they were really trying to manipulate him into like, going back and they were trying to use the fear factor, but he escaped the fear factor. And to me, that was the biggest moment of the movie. It was huge, very impact,

23:08
like going back to the stand up comedy thing. I mean, we're talking about the concept of fear. Yeah, I'm having done stand up comedy. Very few things frightening anymore. I've done jokes a bunch of drugs and you follow Alabama okay, you know where where are you tell your first joke in the back of the room some redneck yells you're a Yankee Yeah, so so so you want to conquer your fears and and I did a stunt one time when I repelled on the side of a skyscraper

Sam Fischer  23:44
right so it was one of the funniest God bless you. I don't have the balls to do that. You do. I saw it. And it was one of the funniest thing I ever saw because because I could identify like negotiate we're not doing this we're not really going oh, yes, you are doing it you know?

23:57
Well, that was that was the guy said something to me. The guy said something to me that is stuck with me because I'm at the top of the

Sam Fischer  24:02
woman tower

24:05
Yeah 30 stories up and I'm not afraid of heights.

Sam Fischer  24:08
I'm scared to death of heights but I'm afraid I'm afraid of falling okay yeah maybe why explains why I can ride an airplane but if I'm like standing on a frickin skyscraper on the edge of it I'm a little woozy and what

24:24
they do is they have you lean back lean back and I got y'all Yes. And I'm and I by the way I thought I was this was all broadcast people don't know this cast Yeah, I saw it was still out there. The time YouTube Yes. It All right. Yeah.

Sam Fischer  24:39
Yeah, that's good.

24:39
And the thing was all broadcasts we had I had a microphone. I mean, they were broadcasting thing. And prior to this, I had all these witty things I was going to say. Right? But then I got to the top of the roof at all, all people hurt anyone. I mean, seriously, I was I was like, oh,

Sam Fischer  24:56
no, you are you're like you I fell for you. I did it. It was funny though. But it was It's funny because it was true. Oh, it

25:02
was, yeah. But the guy said to me, the guy said to me, he said, he said that, I promise you, I promise you two things. He says, I promise you a, you won't get hurt. And B, if you don't do it, you'll regret it the rest of your life. And that's, you know, that is stuck with me. So when you talk to her, and you could say, you know, the same thing about what he's facing his fear to go through the water if he hadn't done it, regret the rest of his life, right? I mean, fear is a great motivator. Oh, fear is a wonderful is only

Sam Fischer  25:34
thing that's motivated me in this life. Killer Cain, but yeah,

25:39
and I will say this about you doing the stand up, because I've been talking to you now about doing stand up chicken shit,

Sam Fischer  25:44
so I'm between gonna do it. If you don't do it, you're going to, I'm going to do it. I'm gonna play guitar on stage someday, too. So I'm going to do it by that I'm going to do it. And one of

25:54
these days, I want to sleep with Jennifer Aniston. Okay, you know, goodbye. We can make these private do it. Set a timetable make it happen. And by the way, Jennifer, if you're listening, I telephone number.

Jeremy Aspen  26:02
Yeah, right.

26:05
But, um, you know, so fear is such a great motivator. And that's the thing about about it is that you got to have fear, you have to overcome that fear to accomplish anything.

Jeremy Aspen  26:16
Yeah. Except, like, even getting involved in some political stuff that I've been involved in and going into business, big business adventures. I don't think I actually experienced fear in those instances. Like, that's not what ever drives me. I really kind of, I mean, if I get up on stage and give a speech, you know, you're nervous a little bit. But I find that very motivating. And I think usually

Sam Fischer  26:44
I do better. And that's so I actually think I'm about to kill a comedy because I usually Excel when I'm like, a little. Yeah, a little anxious. Yeah. Have you ever been fear? Have you ever experienced fear in your life?

Jeremy Aspen  26:57
Yeah, but the way I guess I reserved is I remember one time, I was crossing the street, and I was running and it was gravel. This was dodge street, I ran slipped, and then it comes went right in front of a truck. My dad pulled me back, like just in the nick of time, and I remember my heart really racing, but, and, and even I've never really had any existential threats that put me into like, a true fight or flight kind of like, I'm gonna die fear. Right. But I mean, unless you want to interpret it like, well, the first time I took a, I flew an airplane alone. That was, you know, that was a very exciting moment of my life that I'll never forget. But I can't say that it was fear. I guess. I'm not fear driven. I don't think i i It's more excitement.

Sam Fischer  27:44
I'm not fear driven. But fear definitely motivates me. I think that's what us Yeah, it definitely, I don't know, it's a sink or swim thing. And some people will just will say, but

28:00
maybe you're getting to go almost semantics, you know, because probably, because I mean, what your excitement was was I mean, there was there was something there. Right? So you overcame that? Because you have to, you have to, I mean, well, and

Jeremy Aspen  28:17
but so what I would say is that, those are the kinds of experiences that end up defining my last day on the way that I will look back at my life when I'm going to die. And so I always want to have those, those spiked those elevated emotions, because they're the ones that stick with me. They're the ones that make me understand that this life is fun. And cool, and worth living. And that's what so I like take those challenges on just for that reason. Well, like the mayor's the recall, right? That we had no business doing that. They they came up to me and they said, Hey, do you want to do this? It was this is a political campaign years ago. And, and I had been doing

Sam Fischer  29:08
I thought, Who the hell is Jeremy? Right, everybody in Omaha?

Jeremy Aspen  29:11
And that was exactly what it was that drove us, me and my wife's decision. It was it? What the hell do we have to lose? Let's do this thing. And let's have fun. And it's one of the best things I've ever done in terms of being able to get involved and, and it was driven by more of an excitement I got up and did my first press conference. And that one, right, there must have been 40 cameras, and you're nervous, but I wouldn't ever refer to it as fear. So maybe this Amantha Yeah,

29:39
I think I think so this summer. I mean, because I always wanted to do stand up comedy All right, but I'm not sure I got into interesting discussion on Facebook on this today because I think that the being done sworn in that's one of the name of being voted in today. tautology brown Jackson is a very important thing. Not because Was it her judicial policy isn't that but because it's an image for young black women that look what you can do. You know, we talked about the comedy thing I remember I distinctly remember being a young, a little kid, little kid watching The Ed Sullivan Show. And seeing the comics. I love the comics. But they weren't, you know, you know, they were Jackie Mason, New York Jews, they were Joan Rivers that are totally fields. They were Bill Cosby, right? They were there. They were, you know, Jewish, black women. There were no white Catholic kids from Cleveland, you know, do a comedy. So I distinctly remember as a young kids thinking, well, that's something that I'd love to do. But I can't do that, because I'm not one of them. And I really think that this is where the Republicans I think, really dropped the ball on this, because they were not going to change the makeup of the court that she was gonna get, she was going to get the nomination. They're not going to change the makeup of the court, they should have voted for it to show instead of all the all the partisanship, you can just bitch about partisanship if you're not willing to make an effort to try to bring somebody in. And so I think the Republicans dropped the ball on this because they could have shown her as a role model for young black women. And so I was fearful of doing comedy until I was in my 30s. I didn't start I didn't do comedy till I was I was over 31st time I did it. You know, I quit the day job. I quit that you by the way, you're telling your mom that you're quitting a day job benefits to go tell jokes for $100 a week for some drunk person in an Oklahoma? Yeah, she doesn't care for that too much. Yeah.

Sam Fischer  31:38
It was a stress strain relief on your passion.

31:40
Yeah, thing. But But I did, I finally overcame that fear. And at the point, I'm not fearful. Now, if I get in front of a crowd manufacturers, in many ways, it's easier to talk to in front of 500 people than it is to talk in front of one or two people. So I'm not afraid of that.

Jeremy Aspen  31:56
Now. I've seen you do it. And that is true. You get up there and you start talking to him like they're your nephew. Yeah, yeah. No, but yeah, a little higher than now.

Sam Fischer  32:05
Well, it's, it's interesting trying to come back to The Truman Show a little bit. Pat, when I heard your passion overcomes fear, and that's what happened to Truman. And he was after the girl that he saw that one time, and he was looking for and so the passion overcame the fear.

32:21
And we use fear, like in politics, you know, we use the fear as like, oh, you know, if you vote for them, bad things are going to happen. And we have to overcome that fear and understand, okay, these people are different than

Sam Fischer  32:33
me just said, we're not gonna Yeah, no, no. It's a great motivator, it is a great motivator. And that's why it is used in politics.

32:40
But that's what I'm saying here is that, and you have to overcome that. Because once you get to meet somebody that is different than you, and I don't care what that difference is, I don't care if it's a liberal, looking at a Republican, Republican, or a Democrat, whatever, whatever that difference is, you know, once you get to know these people understand there's a lot more in common, you overcome that fear of otherwise, just that, oh, you're voting for them, oh, they're going to hurt you. And that's not necessarily the case. You know, we have to be more willing to overcome the fears, whatever these fears might be more willing to overcome them to find to find happiness, quite honestly. Oh, driven, you know, when he overcame his fear, they found happiness, right?

Sam Fischer  33:19
We don't actually know. And I'm going to conclude our discussion with that because I have found a funny article, but that we don't know actually, um, okay. Tom, we're gonna try and stay out of politics.

33:38
bit more of a life thing I see been taken out of just not even politics, let's say that it's, you know, a gay people across the street or a minority, that neighbor, and it's like, Ooh, I don't know if they're different than me. I don't know that I liked them, or they're a different religion or something like that. And we have people that put these these artificial barriers between ourselves. They use fear as an artificial barrier between ourselves. And I think that's, I think that's a very dangerous thing. And I'm not I'm not even talking about this in the political aspect. As much as I

Sam Fischer  34:11
thought, fear can be taught, they can be taught, yes, I stay away from that guy, because

Jeremy Aspen  34:16
well, so I actually so when it comes to we're born xenophobic, and I think it's actually important that we all understand that because when you're born one of the I actually have listeners that don't know what xenophobic xenophobia I know. It's really the fear of other people, people that aren't like you, okay, so. So if, when you're when we're born, we all kind of want to stay in our tribe, right? One of the easiest ways to identify that somebody is not like me, is their skin color. So there's those memes that show like a young little white boy and a little black boy hugging and it says something to the tune of fear is, I'm sorry. Racism is taught. You're not born with it. It's exactly the opposite. So, we are born with a xenophobia and we kind of have to cure it out of our system. I bring that up just because I mean, it's yeah, it's Oh, boy, we're born, not just white people, all of us. And now it's like,

Sam Fischer  35:15
we're about to get into critical race theory and critical race theory that I don't want to go. Ah, I don't want to go. I brought that up. I disagree. Listeners, I'm gonna let him talk. Go ahead.

Jeremy Aspen  35:24
No, that's it. I I just I think it's important that people understand that we actually do have an inherent fear. And other I mean,

Sam Fischer  35:33
I think it's a very animal a mental I mean, you know, look at the animal kingdom are they are, are my scared of birds, I mean, or whatever. I mean, it's so I suppose there's a natural animal instinct there somewhere that I can kind of identify

Jeremy Aspen  35:50
well, especially to tribal animals. So yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah.

Sam Fischer  35:53
I mean, I'm Yeah, I mean, if a tiger came crashing through this window, right? I'd be I'd be a bit concerned. It'd be a pariah. And but I'm, thank God that I was born with that kind of a fear that Tiger is not like me. So

36:07
well. Let me ask you this. Okay. It's fair, a good thing or a bad thing? Because fear can hold you back from accomplishing things. But I can also keep you safe.

Sam Fischer  36:15
True? Absolutely true. I think that that fear is this outstanding question, I think, the best questions, a guest has asked me on a podcast is fear, a good or bad thing? I think it's good from what we just described as it can keep you safe. I mean, you shouldn't be fearful of touching a hot stove. You should, you should be fearful of you know, falling on the street and hitting oil. My wife is fearful of me hit is falling down the street and hitting in my head. She's fearful about everything but but on the other hand, I think fear can be manufactured by political by politicals. And the media is and the media and company. So fear can be used manufactured to be a crisis, it can be manufactured to manipulate, and that is not a good thing at all. We all agree on that.

37:24
But it's also okay. But it's also because everybody responsible differently, so So whereas somebody did you brought up the media? You know, somebody might, and you are part of the part of the media, and I defend the media, you know, but I also hate the term the media, because this is the media.

Sam Fischer  37:41
Well, I'm the media. Yeah, I was I was told I compete with I Heart Radio. I'm like, Holy shit, I do. Yeah.

37:49
And so yeah, you're talking about, you know, you know, I mean, MSNBC and Fox are both the media, you know, this is the media. So I hate that term. I hate that term. But the thing of it is, it's also the consumers of the media, because you can put something out there and say, okay, you know, if you put something out there, where, let's say to the political realm, a commercial that says, hey, you know, you don't want to smell bad. So buy this deodorant? Well, for one person that's going to be like, Oh, my god, yeah, I don't want to smell better, but I by the deodorant, and somebody else want to say that and say, I don't care how I smell. So it's it's also the how the people respond to it. So they can try to use fear as a motivator. But not everybody's going to react the same way.

Jeremy Aspen  38:32
Yeah, for the other people who don't react to it. You would say something hey, use this it'll get you laid. Like that's a motivator for other people.

38:39
Yeah, you don't you're not gonna get laid. That's why you bought a nice car.

Sam Fischer  38:52
Well, the media manipulates because people shop for the truth. So I like that phrase the media manipulates because consumers shop for the truth. So I, we had this discussion on the first podcast, but I think it's bears worth repeating. If I Googled Tom Beck, if I Googled climate change, and Valentine, Nebraska, and then I call my friend who's sitting in Los Angeles and tell them to Google climate change. Boy, different things pop up, don't they? Well, I would have debated Valentine is gonna say it's probably gonna say some of the fact of scam hoax. Bullshit. In Los Angeles, like, we must get a hold of this or the earth will end. I mean, I've been being a stream. Yeah, but you know, social media is manipulative. Google is manipulative. The media is manipulative. Why? Because we're all trying to find our little spiritual journey of our own truth. So they're manipulating their consumers or they're trying to find consumers that share that value. So

39:53
I'm gonna disagree with you a little bit here. I hope you do. That's why you're in that in that I don't know that people are looking to find their own truth. I think They're looking to, to basically find something that agrees with what they already think is true,

Sam Fischer  40:05
right? This was always fun or to have some people surround you that agree with you on that particular point,

40:11
if they weren't actually looking to find their truth. I respect that a lot more than people just looking to find stuff that already, you know, just reinforces what they already believe what they already think to be

Jeremy Aspen  40:21
true. I'm just gonna say that there's no such thing as any one particular person's own truth. I gotta throw that back out there getting

Intro  40:31
attention. Hey, good alert.

Jeremy Aspen  40:33
If you want to find your own truth, you can find it. The problem is that might not be the same as the way Hey, Jeremy,

Sam Fischer  40:37
I think your wife is ugly.

Jeremy Aspen  40:41
Yeah, well, that's just flat out wrong.

Sam Fischer  40:42
But I mean, that's my point. Yeah, that's my point. Oh, I mean, you can I mean, that's, I mean, she's not ugly. She's very attractive.

40:52
Because your wife listens to this podcast.

Sam Fischer  40:55
Yeah. No, no, no, I'm not trying to be mean. But but maybe I don't think she's attractive as you do. So which, who's right so I think my who's what's true, so Well, subjective? Well, no, I

Jeremy Aspen  41:08
don't think that truth is necessarily subjective. I do think people have opinions about truths. So my wife does look this way. And to you, she would be Honey, this isn't actually true. She would actually not look be and attract

Sam Fischer  41:23
those. I'm talking about your wife and not mine.

Jeremy Aspen  41:27
gets thrown out of here. Come run into.

Sam Fischer  41:29
So glad I'm sorry. We're just having this.

Jeremy Aspen  41:34
Hot Girl, I would.

41:41
Jennifer Aniston if you're listening.

Jeremy Aspen  41:44
Yeah. So I do think that truth has to be a word that's respected. And for what it is. The truth is, something is more true, the more accurately it reflects the way the material world is. That's what I would say the truth is

Sam Fischer  41:58
one more time in history, the truth.

Jeremy Aspen  42:01
Something is more true, the more accurately it reflects the way things actually are in the material world. Right. So you can have your own truth, but that's also known as an opinion. I don't know what you mean. Well, there's dualism. And there's materialism. No, there's dualism. Materialism, talk Calvin.

Sam Fischer  42:19
lightarian. Ahead, part of the please translate

Jeremy Aspen  42:23
materialism

42:25
spot a nod

Sam Fischer  42:29
is very wrapped up.

Jeremy Aspen  42:30
Well, so dualism is well. It's hard. Materialism is

Sam Fischer  42:36
the way out here, man, peasants listening.

Jeremy Aspen  42:44
It's really just, like, the way that to be able to the way that things actually are in the material world. And I, I'm not prepared to get into a more a better definition of it. But it's how things actually are, you know, like, like, there's no, there's no other way to interpret something, because it is this way. And there's no other way to interpret it unless you're wrong.

Sam Fischer  43:09
Or you're saying there's no shades of gray at anytime?

Jeremy Aspen  43:13
No, no, I mean, I There are shades of gray.

Sam Fischer  43:16
And I think that's what

43:18
I would say I would say almost everything is shades of

Sam Fischer  43:19
gray. Right? Yeah. I'm hearing you're saying is that there's no shade? That's not what you're saying? No,

Jeremy Aspen  43:24
mine is you're saying is mine is more that those words are squares a square. Mine is more that the truth has to be a word that's maybe used less often as like, for instance, everyone has their own truth. Because there is a truth. And then the next layer above that is people's opinions about the truth, or about the way things are. Okay, you know, I can live with that. Yeah, it's somewhat nuanced. But if we don't, if we can't all agree that that things are a certain way, and that the activities of man and science and politics everything is to best understand the way things are, then we don't have the tools. We won't have a foundation from which to make things better. So I just don't I have this, this respect for the word truth in that it really is the only way we can I think make things better in understanding it. You know if

Sam Fischer  44:22
you ever asked her, I want you when you get home, I want your your ask Glenn. Honey, am I too good to be true?

Jeremy Aspen  44:30
She would say she'd say yes. She'd say, Yeah, he'd have to

Sam Fischer  44:35
Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. Well,

Jeremy Aspen  44:39
she does. Yeah.

44:40
Now if I if I asked her the question. Is Jeremy too good to be true? I'd probably get a different answer. So therefore.

Sam Fischer  44:49
What is the truth? There has been? No, I call bullshit on your premise. I'm sorry. I mean, I tried to give you a chance there. I just don't see it that

44:57
well, but but here's the thing. I think that My name is

Sam Fischer  45:01
Shades of Grey. And that's, oh, there's

Jeremy Aspen  45:03
plenty of shades of grey and opinion is a huge spectrum, a huge spectrum. But whether or not something is true, I'm right about this, things are more true, the more accurately they reflect reality, the way the more accurate they reflect the way things are.

45:19
You're talking about things like water is wet, or you know, or a mathematical equation or something along those lines. But yeah, I mean, you know, gravity, gravity is true, but you can you can also overcome gravity. You know, so, so I mean, so, so there's always, you know, you can

Sam Fischer  45:39
overcome gravity.

Jeremy Aspen  45:40
Yeah, but with anything that's more than 9.8 meters per second squared, the opposite direction,

Sam Fischer  45:47
dude, your physic your physical, I just saw an Instagram video. Throw that out, but jetpack a military of Jetpack wicked cool. You see that? Yes, I have. So it defied your 9.8 News shove that round your ass. So number was a value that defied that number, it

Jeremy Aspen  46:06
was at least 9.81 meters per share.

46:11
Who gives a shit?

Sam Fischer  46:15
So you're talking about reality. So one of the things in the Truman Show again, back to the Truman Show? hyperreality it's this simulation of the world that is seemingly real but does not exist. Do we live in a hyper reality environment today? Can you read through that, again, hyper reality simulation of the world that is seemingly real but does not exist?

46:40
This sounds like a conversation I would have in college. One second. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. Maybe we are all just living on a giant thumbnail. You know what? I mean? Who knows?

Jeremy Aspen  46:55
I mean, there's a there's a Yeah, that's there's a very, there's a very fun answer to that question. Well, hyperreality

Sam Fischer  47:05
they've ever see the movie wag the dog? Yes. Okay. Oh, you haven't?

Jeremy Aspen  47:10
I don't think so. Oh, tell him about it.

47:12
Why? Because I would say whatever politics.

Sam Fischer  47:14
Exactly. It was about it's basically about a manipulated crisis. Yeah. Campaign. Yeah. To it's like De Niro's in it. And

47:25
oh, John Travolta. Travolta. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Sam Fischer  47:28
It came out and based on Clinton as well.

47:31
There was a there were there were similarities, perhaps everyone was based on

Sam Fischer  47:36
inspired by Bill Clinton and his minions of

Jeremy Aspen  47:40
Yeah. And so that's one right down, right. Gotta

Sam Fischer  47:42
wag the dog. Oh, yeah. I think you'd love it.

47:44
Oh, yeah, it is. But I forgot where we're going with this conversation for reality

Sam Fischer  47:48
and manufactured crisises. And, you know, it's like climate change is, is it going to kill the world? Is that is that a truth?

47:58
I mean, but again, okay. It all again, depends on who is absorbing this information. Right now.

Sam Fischer  48:05
Or this this? That's a liberal issue. What about a conservative issue? Like Mexicans? You know, our borders? Is it really sad really a crisis?

Jeremy Aspen  48:14
Right? Oh, those are great examples.

Sam Fischer  48:17
Well, okay. Are they manufactured by the media? Are they manufactured by politicians? Are they really crisis's? What's the truth?

48:24
Depends on? I mean, if you're, if you're a farmer who needs ranch help? Maybe the truth is that there's a crisis and they can't get the help that they need. They might be able to get it they were allowed to come across the board and the other in the first place. Most ranchers, well, they do

Jeremy Aspen  48:40
they do need to help. And especially nowadays, yeah, you know, I

48:44
mean, you know,

Sam Fischer  48:45
well, there's Ranchers on the border that are fearful fear. Oh, yeah. So,

48:50
but I just came down from the border. I mean, I was not really on the board. I was in Las Cruces. I was in Las Cruces. Yeah, it's very close to the border, very close to the border. And I spent, I spent two weeks in February in New Mexico used to live in New Mexico. And the reality is, is that yeah, you know, I've never felt fearful of my time down there. I never felt like grow. I had a, you know, I had to go and hide because

Sam Fischer  49:16
I'm talking about something that I've read or heard the other day. I mean, it's a guy that lives 10 miles from the border, and they, they have illegals are coming across all the time. And then they'll they'll break into their house or whatever. So they you know, it's a different perspective. What effective Hey,

49:34
for that person who probably had maybe a crisis, okay, right. That person may be a crisis, but for, you know, everybody else, is it a crisis? I don't know. You know, I mean, I don't I'm not I'm not proposing open borders by any stretch of the imagination. But I think that again,

Sam Fischer  49:49
I guess my point, my question is, are these manufactured Christ so

Jeremy Aspen  49:53
the answer is almost certainly yes. I mean, or especially like with the board Border Patrol thing, or both of them, there's an answer, there is an answer as to whether or not climate change is existential, there is an answer as to whether or not our current border policy is a is going to kill people. And the what happens in our politics today is that, you know, we, we, our politics today is designed to make sure that we can separate ourselves into the right and to the left. And and so

Sam Fischer  50:31
whatever we do are on this podcast, you're a cowboy, you're naked, or cowboys. But it is both we need both.

Jeremy Aspen  50:41
We need both. We need both Republicans and Democrats too. But there is an answer. This this this bifurcated politics that we're operating in right now

Sam Fischer  50:51
allocated? I don't know what that means. I'm sorry. Separate. Do you know what that means? Oh, yeah. Basically to Yes, yeah. I understand what bye bye. long word Yeah, for cated. Cool.

Jeremy Aspen  51:09
So I mean, our political system is driven by the arguments between the parties, they have to distinguish themselves from each other, and so that they peel away from the center or from reality, in order to build that fake university you're talking about is what our political system is designed to do. And it's why it's not working. I would argue our political system is not working because of that point.

Sam Fischer  51:35
Oh, I think it's working great. Because of the swings that happen. I mean, we swing the left, we swing to the right, you guys kind of want to you don't want this pendulum. But I think it's working. It's working. I think there's a common that our system of government is working. The founders of this country were unbelievable, the checks and balances and so forth,

51:57
if it's respected, if it's respected, and I'm not sure that it's being respected by everybody. I don't

Sam Fischer  52:02
think politics has ever been respected.

Jeremy Aspen  52:05
Well, that might be

Sam Fischer  52:09
nice to have cane each other in United States Senate.

52:11
back but but but our system, I think has been respected, maybe on the politicians themselves with the system, and I'm not even sure the system is being respected the way it should be now, and that bothers me. You know, the way that we're the way that we have demonized our courts, our elections, the way that we have demonized tutions, you know, yeah, I mean, this happened Abe Lincoln

Sam Fischer  52:28
and Dwight Eisenhower. Well, I'll

Jeremy Aspen  52:30
tell you what happened. Our primary system, our current or modern primary system, destroyed it, like our Founding Fathers would not have endorsed this primary system. We have a protectionist system in each of the 50, almost all of the 50 states that makes it so that Republicans and Democrats are really the only two parties that can have any power at all. And then they then they run so far to the right or the left during their primaries, that they alienate anybody that's even halfway smart or not crazy, not radicalized. And then we're left in a general election, making a choice between two, you know, the better of two evils. It's the problem.

53:13
I mean, our constitution was a compromise. And we've lost we've lost the idea of compromise. You know, it's got to be you know, scorched earth you know, and at all costs. You

Jeremy Aspen  53:23
know why I believe that is Rush Limbaugh

Sam Fischer  53:26
Well, no, well, sure. Media certainly. 24/7 news cycle 190 Yeah, C span I mean, you know, CNN Headline News every 30 minutes again, I mean, we watched it religiously. We sat there watching news all damn day, every 30 minutes. Can you report? Well, you have to fill that time you have to fill that air. And so I mean, that's when it went down. So I blame the media.

Jeremy Aspen  53:50
I

Sam Fischer  53:52
certainly hope

53:55
Okay, no, I'm not saying that you're necessarily wrong, but I'm also gonna blame the consumers or the media because if there's not a there's not a there's not an audience for that they wouldn't be doing it and at the same time you talked about the illegal the illegal immigration okay. One of the reasons why they're coming here two reasons number one is because where they live right now is so crappy but the other reason is because Okay, They're bringing drugs across is because the market for the drugs is here alright and or if they're coming across it's because the we need the employees so it's also you know, we talked about the prices at the border it's not just you know them it's also us it's also us as Americans that are causing

Sam Fischer  54:36
Milan order guy so I don't care where the drugs are out if it's against the law, I don't care if it's our problem hating people need to go to jail. If it's their problem way then

Jeremy Aspen  54:45
how do you explain the weed you're smoking?

54:50
He's an animal guy

Jeremy Aspen  54:50
is an animal I

Sam Fischer  54:52
have not ever I've never done marijuana. I know. It's hard to believe I know.

54:56
But my point is this is that yeah, I mean, if you want to blame the media It's really easy to blame the media, whatever the media is. Okay? But the reality is,

Sam Fischer  55:05
blame is not a word. I take that word back, but they contribute. They have contributed to the whole mess, because we're the consumers of the media. And yes, it's a symbiotic relationship. Ooh, big. So big NS MB. We feed off of each other Jeremy has been That's right, right

55:22
now are Googling while they're listening to that word mean? Yes.

Sam Fischer  55:27
All right. One more topic question I want to go into and I don't know, it's just it's just something I thought of today. So it's kind of random, but the American Cancer Society, what is their mission? Their mission is to eliminate cancer, right to eradicate it, right? Guess what happens if cancer goes away? What are they going to?

Jeremy Aspen  55:48
Do you know that?

Sam Fischer  55:49
Have you ever thought about stuff like

Jeremy Aspen  55:50
that? The same question can be asked about any of these political activist groups, because like, for instance, of gay rights, like there were originally very important conversations and very important endeavors to make it so that people that are homosexual and clean, feel comfortable and whatnot. But it really it these organizations have a tendency to just swing too far. They they kind of achieved their objectives to a large extent, but

Sam Fischer  56:22
they don't live they certainly haven't. Because then what that's they've gotten into organization. I think that's part of the problem, too. I don't know how this relates to the Truman Show. But I mean, I think that's part of the problem, too. Yeah. That, you know, it's like saying, well, there'll be no Republicans. I mean, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, no, it's, you know, trust. Trust is the word so it's, who can you trust Tom, Becca, who can you trust?

Jeremy Aspen  56:51
That's our question. Well, that Aaron Aniston.

56:57
She has good judgment. She's staying away from me. Yeah, who do you trust? That's a, that's another one of those words. It's like, yeah,

Jeremy Aspen  57:05
Walter Cronkite has passed away. And you know, we don't trust him anymore. He's gone. What do we do? I mean, that's one of those things. So here's what I do. I do not watch news. I do not watch any cable news.

Sam Fischer  57:18
I retired. I verge very little news, os wonderful,

Jeremy Aspen  57:22
right? I mean, even your anxiety level. It's so much smoother, and like you brought up the every 30 minutes. And now we have a 24 hour news cycle. It really keeps us primed with these, like hormones. And we're, we're anxious all the time, because we actually think the world is going to end. Whereas if you don't watch it, I wrote a column about this. If you don't watch cable news for a week, your heart rate, oh, HR

Sam Fischer  57:49
days are seen mountain men on History Channel swamp people in the History Channel. I don't even have a TV because you shouldn't but I mean, do you think these guys frickin killing alligators in Louisiana swamps, give two shits about Coronavirus or Ukraine or any of that stuff, you know,

Jeremy Aspen  58:09
and there's something to it. Like, it's one thing to be informed, like I do pride myself in being informed I take I take the information and a little bit differently. But we'll all admit that when we get away, and we don't have to actually pay attention to what's going on in the news and stuff lists it, it feels good. I have

58:26
I've gotten off the Facebook on my on my phone. I'm still on it, but it's only on my on my work computer. And so I'm on it maybe a little bit now. And then, you know,

Sam Fischer  58:37
it'd be a tremendous difference for me if I took that thing off my Yeah. And

58:41
I have found I have found that my attention has gone down substantially and is better? I do think that, you know, you know, I gotta run back to what truth is, and all of that, you know, and who do you trust and all of this? I think the thing is that if I can maybe try to, you know, capsulize all of this. We're all different in our own way. We all have our own truth. We all have our own, who do we trust. But I think we all have to also understand that there are other people that just maybe don't think the same way that we are. That doesn't make them a bad person. Well, so,

Sam Fischer  59:15
you know, I agree. That was a thing people will talk to a very cowboy thing actually. Yeah. Well,

59:21
unless, unless unless you're a Yankee tell them joke's on you Foley Alabama.

Jeremy Aspen  59:28
So I would just say Tommy there. Who do we trust? Well, there's no such thing as your own truth. I'll just say that again. Because you just said there was. And then this is the answer to who you trust experts. And there is a place for that. Oh, tension. Hey, good alert. There is a place for experts like for instance, science. Who do you listen to? The Coronavirus Who do you listen to who's best positioned to actually understand I should

Sam Fischer  59:58
Don't listen to him? Did it Fauci I don't because Well tune with 500 times I don't trust him but

Jeremy Aspen  1:00:08
but that's the one of the best things about science is that

Sam Fischer  1:00:12
this piece of shit is testifying in front of Congress and he says, you know Can people in these these riots over George Floyd get Coronavirus? gonna answer it, Tom. I don't trust him. But I mean, experts you are? Yeah, no,

Jeremy Aspen  1:00:29
no experts are the only way. The whole purpose we can go with our gut or you can go with

Sam Fischer  1:00:35
Tom, go ahead. Okay. So we're updating

1:00:40
you're not going to trust the diagram, trust the experts. Okay. So I

Sam Fischer  1:00:43
didn't say that. And you said, I would say you I would not lie. I'm not going to rely solely on experts.

Jeremy Aspen  1:00:54
Well, that might be different. But I think if you're going to err either way, you'd rather err on the side of No, always

Sam Fischer  1:00:59
versus no, that's that's precisely why this podcast was started. Okay.

1:01:02
So yeah. So if I tell you if I tell you that mole on your neck ads, no big deal. Don't worry about it. Are you gonna believe me? Are you gonna believe the the dermatologist that says no, I think that's a cancer. Well, I'm

Sam Fischer  1:01:14
gonna, I'm going to make the decision. The dermatologist is not going to make the decision. You

1:01:20
made the decision based on on the, on the facts from the expert, and not off of what I say, Well,

Sam Fischer  1:01:26
let's talk about Corona this whole this whole when this but this whole podcast was started because I had a friend in Australia who was on lockdowns, and he's telling us I'm crazy. The Americans are crazy. We need to lock down for the next nine months. And you know what they did in Australia? I mean, it literally you could only go out, oh, yeah, one hour a day. You couldn't for God's sakes, and you're playing I mean, and this is a very dear friend of mine, his high school roommate of mine, and he friended me on Facebook, and I just I was, I was stunned. I couldn't believe it. And so he's, he's, he would he would agree with everything you guys said, Aaron. And I thought I thought, Why in the world? Did that happen? And go, why is he such an egghead? Why am I such a cowboy? This whole podcast will end with this. This whole podcast was started on the premise that I would rather I grew up around cowboys, okay. I would rather trust the cowboy, the guy that's out on this guy right there. My dad, he's on that horse. It's a cool pictures on a tall hill in the sand hills. He's got a 360 degree view of the world, versus a scientist is going to tell this guy he's got to wear a mask. And so

1:02:41
nobody was telling a guy on a horse in the sand hills. I

Sam Fischer  1:02:43
know. You're not listening to me. You're not listening to me. I who am I going to trust in the foxhole when the shit hits the fan? And you yourself even said you're on record that you're going to trust account. If you're in a foxhole and you're taking the heat? Who in the hell are you going to actually like who you know who you want to be with? The egg hunt or the cowboy they can clearly brings lots of value. I mean, he can operate the radio and he can fix you if you get shot. But who do you really want to like who's gonna who's gonna win this thing? Who's gonna who? Whose perspective? Do I relate more to? It's the cowboy in a story. Yeah.

Jeremy Aspen  1:03:21
Boy, how do you tell him he's wrong? Do you tell him he's wrong? It's his own. Backup the

Sam Fischer  1:03:27
way we're gonna wrap this up right I do. I do a thing is this season. That's kind of fun. So it's all rapid fire, which is easy for you guys. So it's here we go. Ready? favorite ice cream? Jeremy Aspen chocolate malts. Oh, Rocky Road. All right, favorite cowboy.

Jeremy Aspen  1:03:46
Lone Ranger. Roy Rogers.

Sam Fischer  1:03:48
Favorite egghead. Tom Becca. Nice Tom Becca. Favorite quote?

Jeremy Aspen  1:04:00
Mine. Oh boy. Best quote. Mine would be that reason. This is Michael Shermer. I was interviewing him on the radio and he said, Right we use reason to lawyer on the behalf of our already existing beliefs.

1:04:18
Excellent. Tom. Albert Einstein's Imagination is more important than knowledge. Deep,

Sam Fischer  1:04:28
like a cowboy to me. Yeah, deep. All right. Well, Sam Fisher's favorite quote is the one that comes from Sam Fisher. Hope isn't a strategy. Thank you, gentlemen.

Jeremy Aspen  1:04:37
That's a good one. Thanks for having us.