Two Anarchist Cowboys Discuss A.I. - with Special Guests Ben Collins and Natasha Tupper

In this conversation, Sam Fischer and guests (past guest Ben Collins and Natasha Tupper) explore the rapid development of AI technology and its implications for society. They discuss the potential benefits and drawbacks of AI, including its impact on work, creativity, and human interaction. The conversation delves into philosophical questions about authenticity in art and the balance between technology and humanity, ultimately emphasizing the need for preparedness in an AI-driven future. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the multifaceted implications of artificial intelligence (AI) on society, education, and global dynamics. They express concerns about AI's potential to exacerbate global conflicts and the challenges of regulating such rapidly evolving technology. The discussion highlights the need for education and adaptation in the workforce, particularly in teaching roles, as AI becomes more integrated into various industries. Ethical considerations and the importance of ensuring equitable access to AI's benefits are also emphasized, alongside a reflection on the generational shifts in technology and intelligence.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Cowboys, Not Eggheads
02:03 Concerns About AI's Rapid Development
06:07 Debating AI's Impact on Society
09:52 The Role of AI in Human Creativity
14:09 AI's Influence on Work and Productivity
17:59 Philosophical Perspectives on AI
22:14 Navigating the Future with AI
25:59 The Need for Regulation in AI
34:49 Navigating AI Regulation and Global Competition
37:33 The Philosophical Implications of AI
42:52 The Future of Education and AI
49:00 AI's Impact on Work and Society
55:51 Ethical Considerations in AI Implementation

Takeaways

• AI is developing at an unprecedented pace, raising concerns.
• The integration of AI into daily life is inevitable.
• Humans will have the option to choose their level of engagement with AI.
• AI's learning capabilities can lead to misinformation if not properly managed.
• The role of AI in the workplace could redefine family dynamics.
• Creativity may be enhanced by AI, but authenticity is a concern.
• AI's influence on art raises questions about originality.
• The conversation highlights the philosophical implications of AI technology.
• Practical skills may diminish as reliance on technology increases.
• Preparation for an AI-driven future is essential.  AI poses risks of global conflict and competition.
• Regulation of AI is complex and challenging.
• Education must adapt to incorporate AI tools.
• Teachers may need to evolve into coaching roles.
• AI can assist in creating unbiased learning environments.
• The future of work may include shorter work weeks due to AI.
• AI will impact various industries, including education and healthcare.
• Ethical considerations are crucial in AI implementation.
• Fair distribution of AI benefits is necessary for society.
• Generational perspectives shape our understanding of technology.

Transcript

Sam Fischer (00:01.379)
This is a show about not being fearful. However, the topic we're going to discuss today, I wouldn't say I'm fearful. I would say that I am gravely concerned. I've covered this topic on two previous podcasts. One is called TikTok and the other is, which we think is very bad. My guests probably love it. But, and...

The other was on a so-called, I did a snap, or I did my, I don't remember what was called, but basically me interviewing me where I interviewed my own AI. But today we're gonna get deeper into AI a little bit. It's a current topic and it's one that makes this cowboy a little bit nervous. So I invited two of my friends on today and I don't know what the hell they are. They're not eggheads.

They're kind of anarchist cowboys maybe. I'm not sure. guess I'll let them. I will take that all day. Anarchist cowboys. That's that sounds amazing. So you have to have your hand on your hip at all time when addressing them. watch your gun and take them out. But, I didn't mean.

It's a joke, folks. Stay home, FBI. You're on a list now. So I invited my friend. recently, the story of this podcast is the following. I recently saw a one hour interview with Oprah Winfrey. You know, we all love Oprah. Pinocchio knows. But.

And she interviewed Bill Gates and then the Sam Altman, Sam Altman, who is the he's one of the co-founders for open air of AI, the guy that in the Terminator, the black dude who blows himself up in the end. But anyway, that's who she interviewed.

Sam Fischer (01:51.435)
And I was stunned by the interview because what came out of the interview to me was that, hey, and they both said two things. Number one, they said this thing is going faster than we thought it would. It's going very fast.

Okay, like you started it so you can't slow it down. It's going fast and the second thing that he they said was that You know in ten years they kept saying ten years ten years ten years ten years We're gonna go to a three-day work week We're not gonna need teachers anymore all these things that from this Cowboys perspective is profound Impact on society so we're changing quick and ain't we can do about it So I went and I went and did a casting call and so

media and I Ben Collins I'll do that so he brings in his girlfriend Natasha Ben Collins previous guests welcome back and into his girlfriend Natasha Tupper who is another anarchist cowboy who apparently likes that title

they I would say after two hour pre-production meeting yesterday I came to the conclusion that I am to embrace this technology that there's nothing that I can do to stop it that it's just gonna be it is what it is and I'm just gonna have to just have to live with it now I didn't say that this whole podcast is gonna be on the premise of I don't necessarily agree with that bullshit so

Take it away Ben now I have asked Ben who is very verbose as folks know to cut like in the scene from a river runs through it You know take your story and now half as many words So this is this is gonna be the kinder gentler, but we certainly want you to be energetic Ben Collins Take it away, dude now. See I don't even have any questions prepared actually I do AI prepared them for me See here we go see I don't I don't agree that it's

Sam Fischer (03:46.44)
Like it's gonna happen. Like everything's gonna be intertwined with AI. But I firmly believe that you will have the option just like as we do, getting rid, like people, I've already met a couple of people and I'm about to follow suit. Like once this iPhone has kicked its bucket and I'm done working over wherever I'm working at, I'm going to a regular old flip phone that only sends messages and calls me.

Why you will have the choice because I don't need shit listening to me every single minute of the day. a concern that I've covered more than once and I'm an agreeance with you about I had gave him a sign yesterday. Did you listen to my AI conversation with my AI? I didn't get a chance to listen to it. It's so good because the AI contradicts itself and it also lies to me. Well, it's not

It's not one of those things. it's for instance, dogs, because we're this into the realm of like my career field, dogs genuinely want to make their owner happy. They'll do anything to please you. They'll do anything to like, hey, man, this is, I know this is the answer that you want because you've conditioned me. AI is a learning tool and AI is probably spitting out the thing that it knows what the answer that you want.

or that's going to cause engagement because it's a learning tool. I'm not saying that it definitely knows what you want or anything, but based on the questions based on your tone of voice or what you're using involving the inflection, like you're interviewing yourself, it probably reads a lot into that. Now, Tasha on the other hand, deals with AI exponentially on an everyday basis involving her work and the controversy.

There's a huge controversy in that so I mean Tasha is probably gonna be able to give you a better answer for that. I'm gonna argue with you because the feedback on my podcast is you should argue more with your guests. here we go. Here we go. Dogs are dogs don't want to lie to you, dude. Maybe they lie to you unintentionally. That's that's that's not necessarily true either. Incorrect, Incorrect. Dogs lie.

Sam Fischer (06:06.607)
AI wants to

I think you're assigning like a human characteristic to it. really yes Is that a mistake is it a mistake for me to assign a human characteristic to AI? Not necessarily because AI acts based on its training data and if it's trained on humans and how humans interact with each other then anything that goes wrong is going to be a direct result of human training. Is it trained by just you? Is it learning just you or is it learning everybody?

It's a cesspool of

In my opinion like nonsense more but I think the biggest issue with AI is how it's trained and it's trained on things like misdisc and malinformation and so if you're teaching a tool It's trained on

What misinformation is trained on misinformation. How do you know that? told you that? just, don't know. didn't come with six sources or sites. I don't know. So what is it like talking? So missing it like we're talking to maybe that's why I'm afraid of the thing because it is like if it gets in the wrong hands of the wrong person, well, it's allowed to lie to you. And the reason is, is because our political leaders are allowed to lie to exactly think it's in our best interest. And so we're training this tool

Sam Fischer (07:59.073)
That's the problem. It's only it's only mimicking us. It's mimicking us. 100 % are you crazy? No, because it's an inanimate object. It has no feelings. It doesn't care if you exist or not.

No, you can't stop this it's already like it's already it's this is beyond its infancy This is way beyond its infancy Well, like we talked about yesterday you said people when families go down in ten years to a three-day work week And I said their stipulations if their work production meets the same criteria that they're meeting now

and they don't lose their pay, then I think it's a beneficial factor because now families, the nuclear household can actually be a nuclear household. Father is more present at home, mother is more present at home. The kids actually get their parents around and they can actually do things together. can be a good thing with good people, but again, if you have a wife beater who's present at home, he gets to beat his wife more. So how the hell is that good? But let's look at the statistics on that though.

Who's how many people are beating their wives consistently is it 50 is it 30 or is it like 15 % of the population? 50 % be are beating their wives

Sam Fischer (09:45.647)
Not with AI. How? Why? Why? How are you confident in what's going on right now?

So why wouldn't you think the same way with AI something that is tools to help us? Because If you have a patient that has cancer issues or medical problems that every single doctor... because doctors are dumb. Don't get shit twisted. Doctors' Z's get degrees too. They're not the brightest of the bunch. How many doctors have you been to and none of them said anything about nutrition or exercise?

They're not bright. Sure, there are exceptions to the rule. Absolutely.

There's people that genuinely care. There's people that genuinely care about the wellbeing of their constituents and their patients, right? But for the most part, you can't say that all doctors smart when they're just issuing Percocet, creating the bills because it's incentivized. I would like artificial intelligence to be utilized as it's supposed to to help humanity. Help each other.

It's a very vague subject. I know. I just explained medical. An AI can look through all the research and data and symptoms and probably spit out a better case of release for this patient than some doctor that just got a C because he wanted to pass.

Sam Fischer (11:27.866)
There are self-driven, there are driverless cars now. It's a thing. Tesla, yes. It's a thing. And these damn things get in wrecks. So, again, it's a tool, right? Just like I explained with calculators. They didn't want us using calculators. Why? Everybody's gonna be, now you can't do math without a calculator. Calculators are a tool. AI is a tool. That assisted driving, that assisted driving is, I'm not that type of Asian.

I'm more philosopher Neither could I in high school and it no sense. It made no sense because we're using calculators today No Physicist is using their brain on a chalkboard. They're doing it on math right now

Sam Fischer (12:19.792)
any other course I've ever taken. And the culture was different back then. I did not have a culture. The culture was different back then. Now you have these things that's like technology is readily available. Maybe the culture is different, but maybe my- 100%. Just like the culture was different than me and Tasha went through high school. Significantly different. I was like 20 years into my career, yeah. Exactly. So there's culture changes that happen with technology that we adapt to, right? I see AI as nothing different.

Sam Fischer (12:52.324)
Yeah

Sam Fischer (12:56.816)
And Tasha will tell you me and her have gotten into discussions where I'm not on the side of AI. Okay. Give me a disagreement that you two anarchist cowboys have about AI. You go ahead, lead. I don't know what instance you're talking about. Well, there was an instance where we're talking about like AI, the, like you were using it to do everything, right? Everything. I anything. Then she's saying to like, to coin her phrase, like if you're Googling something, you're wrong. You should be chap GPTing you're Googling something, the first thing that shows up is AI's answer.

Sam Fischer (13:30.41)
But this also but Google is also Google is also relied on by advertisers so everybody that pays in they're the first page literally Exactly. So it makes no sense. So it's like chat GPT isn't isn't bought out by the shills Disagreements like having everything do it like you I'm more no, I do not think we should do that for instance for instance

to create my work schedules, create my duty, to create my lists, to create my things. Because I manage my list because how I know how I move and operate as a breathing thinking individual. That's fair.

your independence. There's nothing wrong with that. And perhaps that's what I'm coming from. if you have somebody that has a lot of freedom and they're all over the place, creating that rig, that regimen or that strict outline schedule can actually be beneficial to people. Are human beings going to become stronger because they have to figure this out on their own or human beings going to become stronger because AI is going to do it for them?

As technology, no, not drop the mic. He didn't drop anything. You use a straw man argument because we're talking to look, technology is supposed to make us smarter, but we also have the thing. Like, are we gonna get dumber or stronger because of it? I think that we are gonna be beneficially stronger because of it. Now.

Just like we're talking about country. See you create the definition. You create the definition of the standard and I will try and operate within the lines. You create the definition and I'll give you the definition based on the goalpost that you set in. Yes. Not more widgets because AI is all the widgets all in one. It's not a widget.

Sam Fischer (15:31.34)
It is

Sam Fischer (15:39.874)
You come at it from the standpoint, I believe, of like society's gonna be more productive. Overall, everybody's gonna be raised up. No, no, that's not true at all either. Because it's still programmed by man. Man is still greed. Not anymore. If it thinks on its own, but it's all- itself now. It trains itself? On its own.

See, so here you're getting into the brunt of things where I've done absolutely no research, where Tasha has done all the research because she works with us every day about the training models and everything. I see it as man is still programming it. So there's certain things that it will bypass in favor for certain people or certain classes of people. That's how I see it. Tasha sees it as the things like it doesn't care if you're a senator or a congressman or a billionaire or you're the creator of it. It sees it as like

This same man, I'm just spitting out information as you see There we go. Yeah, go ahead explain props now. So that's how you get it to give you information is by prompting. And so like in the beginning, there was a lot of stories about like the lawyer. Everybody heard the lawyer.

who was called out because apparently it does this thing called hallucinations where it kind of bullshits humans because it's trying to give us like the information we ask it to. If we don't specifically prompt it in such a way to say don't do these certain things, it just will. Like it's all in the prompts. you have to craft If you listen to my podcast, I had to tell a thing four times not to call me partner. It was you though. You used that word. You told it to mimic you. no, no, no, no. It knew that I

Cowboys and what a cowboy say partner. Yep. So I had to tell a thing four times Don't you call me partner? So it was the same thing. So I'm talking so we're talking about like He modeled it after himself because he has he has all these hours of data

Sam Fischer (17:41.616)
I to it yesterday, the first time in months and it's frightening because this thing

Basically interviewing myself. Yeah, and I have a thing called 11 labs that came back, you know Take a sample your four words from your voice. Also, they can mimic your voice. So it's me And what did it say back to you? I'm sorry for the confusion like asshole. You're the one confused. Not me. Sounds like a politician, doesn't it?

Sam Fischer (18:26.396)
No, no, I believe that there are good ones Yeah 100 % And those people aren't making millions by insider trading those people are actually doing their damn job How is Pelosi's down how is Pelosi's down

How is Pelosi's net worth? They're saying that we're bleeping in South China. They're saying that Deb Fischer's net worth is up 1300%. Bullshit. That's absolutely false. The damn what? How do I know that? Deb Fischer's my aunt. Oh. She's the United States Senator. And they're saying that her net worth is up 1300%. That's bullshit. 1300 %? like you going, doesn't it?

No, I only say I only make comments of what people that I know since she since she's been started or her network is about 1300 % that's incorrect. So so that's incorrect. We're not saying I'm not looking at the statistics. So there's this thing called unusual whales on Instagram. I follow this thing and it gives out factual because it actually gives links and like where this information is gathered from. So unusual whales it goes down. It's all financial stuff about whether or not about how our government is doing.

The stocks rising, falling and everything else like that. And every single one that they point out is that they're pointing out these people that have literally make us open resource. Just nobody's got the time because Tosh is doing her art and she's doing her job. You're doing your job. You're doing your, so you're not really paying attention. Well, this company literally just believes I don't have problem with people making money. This little per this, this page literally just follows and exposes possibly, and I'm using air quotes here.

possibly crooked individuals in our government that is insider training, like selling off before some things drop.

Sam Fischer (20:26.148)
just because you hear that politician.

Sam Fischer (20:32.972)
Sir, when you have a $160,000 year salary, how are you worth millions in a span of four years?

some some but if there is some that there's more politicians thing yes onto the AI

Sam Fischer (20:57.552)
you at all hesitant about.

been on mute. Are you at all hesitant? You are like seem extremely

optimistic and hopeful and excited. Yeah. Is there any one thing about AI that gives you pause? I, I, at first I came at it from like a weirdly philosophical standpoint. I used, because it's trained on like the aggregate information of all of humanity, right? So when I started using it initially, it was like a curiosity sort of thing. Like I would put really abstract concepts in a text to image generator and try to get a glimpse of humanity.

Overall, right? So I would put something in for example, show me the moment of human conception and it was incredibly Pastel and artistic and it looked like a uterus with wings. It was so so I get my listeners background Natasha's an artist She's the tattoo artist one and very very good at it And so I would call you an artist sure like you probably can paint I told gave you a canvas and paint you could go to you go to town, right? So you're artists a lot of artists are extremely concerned. Yep about authenticity and so forth

You're coming at from a different angle. When I was in college, one of the things I learned specifically is there is no such thing as originality. Everything's copied. Sorry listeners. Well, actually Chad, we're bleeping that out.

Sam Fischer (22:29.262)
So I guess, yeah, the reason I embraced it hardcore was because of the amount of humans who were resistant to it. And the criticisms were all from people who had never even attempted to use it or experiment with it at all.

and I found that kind of interesting. You know, like the people who are the most apprehensive are the ones that are intimidated or they want to say, it's stealing, it's stealing. Let me tell you something about Andy Warhol. If that bitch ass was here alive today, he'd be the first person using AI. Interesting you say that. I mean, because, you know, my favorite guitar artist George Lynch has said, you know, there's only 128 notes, like everybody's ripped everybody off. Everybody has. Every artist has ripped everybody off. But.

Sam Fischer (23:12.816)
Are you concerned that there isn't going to be the next Picasso or the next, I'm not good at art, but I mean, are you concerned that because of AI, are people going to still, are they going to be more influenced to be original or less influenced What if AI gives us the space to expand our creative endeavors in a way that we wouldn't otherwise be able to because we're able to automate certain tasks of our lives that are like sort of menial and trivial?

Sam Fischer (23:45.04)
But are they mini or trivial? What kind of tasks are you talking about? Email responses. uh, anything, anything, my grocery list. Um, let's say I want to do five week program. You trust AI enough. See he's shaking his head because he wants to do his own schedule. He's the same way you, he, you're a control guy. Like I am. don't want freaking AI. I don't mind things being autonomous as long as I know that it's being autonomous for a reason.

and only selectively autonomous for this specific reason back your point i'm with that trying not to artistic like revolutions you're saying that it's gonna free up your time a i will

to be more creative. I'm saying it's going to give humans the power to embrace their humanity by not doing stupid things that could be automated by, you know, a tool. See, and again, I go back to the fact that stupid things like doing the dishes and like taking the trash. It means something. It means something work. There's value in work. And that's where I get concerned is that

want to lose right now I want to lose 30 pounds. I mean if I weighed 30 pounds less you guys wouldn't even recognize me. That's not true. yes it is true. If AI can do that for me where do I then why do I care. Like why would I. You know I mean like the lessons you get.

in life have to do with struggle. You mean experiences. I mean with struggle. mean with like you've got to that's what experiences are right? You fight through, okay fine, vernacular dude. You have to fight through struggle to be somebody. You have to under, you have to experience it.

Sam Fischer (25:43.924)
for it to happen as you say i'll use the word experience so what happens now if those struggles go away and those experiences go away what are you going to find your you're you still gonna find your value in hard work because now you're well i think what you're saying is well now i'm gonna have all this time to focus on things to drive me as a human to fulfill my humanity i'm now going to focus on you for you it's art for me it's god knows what but um... uh...

It's playing guitar or something.

What you're saying, I think is that I'll still get those same lessons because I'm now focused on my passion. Is that what you're saying? I'm saying it's going to make whatever endeavor that you're pursuing efficient and you're going to be more likely to succeed. So say you want to lose your 30 pounds. You ask Chibi Tea, setting up a five week program, link it to my Google calendar, plug it in there, look up the latest sales in the recent ads, find me paleo groceries, order them, them sent to my house and figure out time when I can actually get them I'm with you, Natasha. recently had

I recently and I didn't follow a damn bit of it. I tried but I'm human. Yeah, and I recently said hey I want to I want to I want to do 1900 calories a day and I Need you know, so 185 grams of protein figure out I Gave it my macros. I don't know this many group protein carbs in fact Develop them develop a menu for me to follow. Yep. There it is. Yep

Sam Fischer (27:26.573)
So then that's chemical dependency on your brain of what you do what you're doing like I'm a lit like I was explained to I'm I'm not neurodivergent I'm regular

Right, which means that I do a list I knock out nonsense I knock out a list a dopamine center hits and then all of a sudden is like hey, I feel great because I knocked out of I knocked out a task Sure, I don't have I get I get like reward centers by knocking out lists and doing things. Oh, that's done off the list It I'm engaged. I'm engagement

And so it involves my engagement. Other people like Tasha doesn't operate like that. She doesn't get, she doesn't get reward centers for doing dishes like, yeah, I dishes. Whereas like my brain center is like, hey man, you completed a task onto the next one. Awesome. And that's what keeps me motivated. Where it's like, yes, just like working out. So Tasha's doesn't get hurt. She doesn't get reward centers like that. Her reward centers come from different things cause she doesn't go by lists.

she goes by something else. I don't know what it is, but that's one big thing. Feel how you feel about doing a thing. Whether she's happy, like for instance, the AI generation thing. Of course.

feel do you think do you know or do believe um I I would love to believe that's right um are you asking me if I do all the way you approach things are you a thinker like do you say I feel I

Sam Fischer (29:17.236)
I feel a hot stove, right? Like I feel it, I know that I need to remove my hand. That's the way I You're on factual data now and available. from my gut. The information that is ready and available. bad information, it doesn't make my, if I tell my wife bad news or something upsets her, it makes her chest tight. Me, I want to go throw up because I'm gut related. So to me, I'm more of a, I think I'm more connected to my gut. And I think I'm more of a thinker than I am a feeler. So do you feel or do you think? Yes.

I've noticed in last 20 years or 10 everybody feels that I feel I don't feel like you're I don't feel like you're listening to me Ben like what is that bullshit I know he's not listening to me

Sam Fischer (30:24.392)
You're introvert really I Think when was the last time you took that test? What was the last time you took that test the last year to okay?

Sam Fischer (30:39.988)
You did. What? That's dumb. That's dumb. No, that's. Well, we all have it like we all have the RBF. No, no, not at all. Of course, we're extroverted.

We like meeting people, so it doesn't even matter. We don't, he's like, hey man, what's up? Jeff, Jeff. But you're friends with Nemechet, come on. Come on, you were friends with Jeff.

Sam Fischer (31:33.428)
Back to AI. Back to AI. Speaking of like how she feels, is it gonna make our lives better or is this gonna be one of those things that's like, it's gonna hinder us eventually? Okay, so yeah, to go back to the thinking thing, in my opinion, I don't have like a opinion about it so much as I embrace that it's inevitable and it's happening and I have like a curiosity, I think.

It almost feels like we're living in the future now and there's no way to tell what's gonna happen and it's happening really fast. The future isn't what it used to be. The proliferation of this technology in the short amount of time is mind blowing. It's like it's impossible to really stop and really think about it. And I'm glad we're having this conversation because a lot of people are simply like, I'm worried about it.

and they just kind of shrug it off, but they don't honestly realize how much of their every single daily life, their daily interaction is infiltrated by AI. Like going to McDonald's now, someone was telling me that's an AI, you're taking your order. Well, that's just like this, Siri's listening to everything on this phone that's going on right now in this room. It's literally recording all of this.

This is before my dad passed away, so must have about 2012, 2013. I remember telling him, like, hey, look what this phone can do. I talked to Siri and I said, give me directions to the nearest barber shop.

12, 13 years ago was a big deal. Big deal. Now it's all the time. Like you folks, I gave you an address today. My guess is you didn't look for the third tree on the right. That's not the way I gave you directions. You plugged it in and the damn thing, and pretty soon your car will just take you know, plug in your car, and the car will take you We don't have to print off a map quest anymore. So we have come a long way, and I do embrace AI. I mean I have used AI in the past. Even today I have a list of questions.

Sam Fischer (33:27.636)
generated for me based on this topic. I don't always use them though. It's an aid. But again, I get back to like I have my own, you make your own grocery list, you make your own task list. You want to because that gives you freedom to do what you want to do.

I don't like I don't like things thinking for me. I'm concerned about it is because does it take away our freedom? Or does it I mean like kids learning differently today than the way I learned? Does that

Are you concerned about that? In other words, do kids, what happens when the electric grid goes out? We talked about this yesterday. What happens when this electric grid goes out? I mean, I've got a niece who wouldn't be able to, even where she lives in a small town, she wouldn't be able to get anywhere. She doesn't know north, south, east, west. So there are practical things that you have to learn.

We're not. will tell you today. I will tell you where North is. Remember, you need to know where the well, because someday you might not have electrical grid because the terrorists are going to blow it up. And then what? Well, you're talking about what ifs, right? I mean, no, nobody's denouncing that you have to be prepared for certain situations like every there has to be security in depth, right across all infrastructure, security in depth, like firewalls and everything.

I'm more along the line of like agreeing with Natasha about AI like I have the same worries about AI as with you involving like world conflict, AIs combating other AIs in whatever agenda that some countries. It's all the same shit. It's just now man isn't necessarily involved. It's a smarter thing that's being able to do all of these and whoever's got the better one.

Sam Fischer (35:33.492)
So this is the thing is like then why are you so against AI? So it's just a matter of like learning and understanding what it is

Sam Fischer (35:54.964)
Let me ask you this. You both hate government, right? So... Don't hate government. I dislike certain things about it. I am not a government hater. I want the government to improve. I don't feel represented by my government. Exactly. Okay. Alright. Fair

So if you don't feel represented by your government then who is gonna write the regulation if it's not the government should that well first of all should there be regulations on AI should there be Should should there be somebody watching don't think it's practical to imagine that that's even possible because of the rate of growth I think the way that our... So should Congress just ignore it all together? Just let it happen. can't hate the player you gotta change the game. They're gonna have to reconfigure

or the bureaucratic mess that is decision-making in order to keep up with the changes at the rate that they're happening in my opinion So you know how it works you want to change a law you got young how many steps is that right? Like if you want to introduce a bill or something like that takes exponentially long So you're talking about You're talking about regulation too, so you know China isn't gonna regulate their AI because the government controls everything

You know, Russia isn't going to regulate their AI because they control everything. The government controls all the workings about all of these things. So they're limiting people's access to it while they have full access to it. It's kind of like what we are. We kind of have full access to it right now, as long as we pay. But if you get restrictions on it and everything, well now we're causing problems of our own.

ability to be competitive with the countries that we're technically not allied with and that's a problem you can't restrict something just because you want to hearts and minds when all the other countries like pollution china is probably is way far more pollutant than america is yet we're trying to restrict us and our ability to like build commerce and build jobs and everything at the expense of like china's

Sam Fischer (38:10.206)
polluting the world five times in mass than the United States. I don't agree with that. I'd be like, why are you restricting our ability to provide jobs and workforce? And they're not, because they don't give a fuck. I'm sorry. They don't care. They don't care at all. So why should we, why are we like limiting our ability? we will, because like back in the day, civil war, when we're shoot lining in line, because this is gentlemen's warfare while everybody's dying, standing in front of a musket.

No, that's why he went guerrilla warfare tactics because we knew that we weren't gonna win that way Let's be realistic about this. I'm on the same side with you about like the AI combating other AI I'm not that scary. That's dangerous The hacking the all of the things involving like the hackers that constantly are infilting our system No, you can't you can only adapt you can only adapt to this

You just have to be better at it.

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What what do you not agree with? What can be but the problem is who Now if you got the government's hands in it

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big guy but I believe in something that's bigger than us. What do you think your creator thinks of all artificial intelligence? What do you think your creator thinks?

I think he, from my perspective, he created us, or it created us, we came to be because of X, Y, Z reasons. It's a byproduct of us, therefore whatever it is created it also.

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made in his image, Made in, I mean, the Bible made in his image, right? We're making things in our image. It's a byproduct of that. He created us, it created us, it created that.

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But I also said that I also am a believer that AI has been around since ever since Because you take a look at it and all the creatures in the world and everything they think autonomously

because I think our creator is way above. think this is just. AI is above our creator is what you're telling me. No, that's not at all what I said. I said that AI is everything. The cellular structure and everything in the world they think on their own. Artificial intelligence to me is just, they should leave out the artificial. I think it's just intelligence. Again, I could do a whole podcast on what is intelligence. I mean, what you.

think is intelligence isn't necessarily what I think is intelligence. Well, everybody's got different opinions. Doesn't mean that they're right. I just pull them all together and everything's going to be great. No, I didn't say that at all. Well, it's a great time to be alive for sure. are like your generation saw the inception of my generation. Yeah, your generation because you're you're almost 20 years older. No, you're 15 years older than me.

about almost 15 years older than me. So when I was in elementary school, you were graduating high school already and onto your first, yeah, onto your first thing. So you saw, just like us, you saw literally the industrial complex getting its peak and everything, main work lines and everything. You got to see a whole lot of things that we didn't experience. We saw the inception, you basically saw the inception of like,

telephone evolve into what it all the way it is now. We were around for the internet. utilize the internet. We utilize the internet right when it began. Right when it started coming out. You guys were like, what the what is this?

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I was introduced to it through my dad because my dad was kind of like a techie. He was an army infantry guy, but he got America online and dial up. So he's like really tech savvy, really early on. had an Apple Macintosh computer way back in the eighties. Those were not cheap. So I learned how to type very early at an, a young age and how to transfer and do documents and papers and everything. So it was like really interesting from my perspective when people were like, you know how to type, huh?

What mean you don't know how to type? So it was different for me because my dad was a little bit more tech savvy. We all did 100%. But when you're in high school, yes, we had the same thing because it was still, we didn't have the, couldn't afford like the new age type tech. But when your teacher sees you in fourth grade and you're typing 60 words a minute, you're like, what? Yeah. They're like, where did you learn to do this? Okay. We're going to do, she didn't answer the question. Yes.

of AI. Oh so super like cliff note style or explain like I'm a fire version. Let's see. I definitely believe that everybody that's existing on planet earth right now is here for a reason. think that especially like with our generations we were here to see the before and we're here to help usher in

well at the same time witness the after I guess you could say because when you compare where we're at now to all of human history this is such a unique time in ways that are just not comparable to any other time and I don't think any of our existence here on earth right now is an accident and so therefore I'm excited for the future because I do have faith in my Creator.

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We don't need, we need the Gettysburg Address. need the clip notes. We need less than 100 words. that Collins? Natasha, how do you envision AI impacting the role of teachers in the next decade?

I see them assisting each other. I see it being like a symbiosis type of thing. I do see teachers becoming one of the first professions that probably is eliminated as a result of AI for a bunch of reasons that would take too long to explain in that short answer. Fair enough. Ben, how do you envision AI impacting the role of teachers in the next decade? I see them using it as a tool. I see them using it as a tool to assist in teaching and mentoring along with tutoring.

Teachers as long because you're not gonna be more like coaches than they are teachers. No, that's not true at all Teachers still be able to lead teachers still be able to lead Teachers will still be able to lead and teach and everything minus but you got teachers with agendas So teachers teach kids with agendas. Whereas AI wouldn't teach kids with agendas. So AI utilizes a tutor thing Well, that's what again That's not true at all

I just said it's used as a tool to tutor. I freaking interpreted it, so it is true, buddy boy. Sure. It's quite not worth it. Natasha, what are some, question number two, what are some potential benefits and drawbacks of replacing teachers with AI?

Benefits being you can introduce a learning environment free of bias on both sides. Drawbacks being we don't really know the long-term consequences of removing the human in child development. Sam's biggest concern in why we're having this podcast, thank you. Ben.

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What are some potential benefits and drawbacks of replacing teachers with AI? You can't replace teachers because teachers are acting as role. So you have future teachers that are educated in the class that mimic exactly what they, so they have at least a bare base of communication of what they're supposed to be communicating to a student. I'm not saying all teachers are great at it, but kids see this is the teacher, this is the classroom setting. At least they understand it's like, okay, this is what this role means.

They can mimic that at least and be able to get more facial expression like Tasha was saying about how they're instructed. You can take any character on earth and tell it to teach in that character. Like I could have Hunter S. Thompson for a teacher. And you look at it on the screen and it's like, so now you don't have anybody engaged. that AI going to be able to monitor that kid? That kid's be like, you're not a real thing. You're imaginary. Kick rocks. I'm going to do what I want to in class. What are you going to do?

You're going to yell at me? Get out of here.

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There's like 15 podcasts within this podcast. Natasha, can AI be integrated into education system without eliminating the need for human teachers? That's the redundant question AI. going on with the question. That's why you proofread. I thought AI would do it for me.

This interesting. This kind of taps into more of what you think teachers, what both think teachers are going to be able What skills do you think will become more important for teachers to have? Relative to... As relative to as AI becomes, you know...

more prevalent in education. I think teachers are going to have to evolve alongside of it rather than separate from it. So embracing the technology is here to stay, I think is going to be super important. So open mind is a skill, I guess. As a teacher, because I just started teaching recently, I have been using it on a pretty constant basis to navigate conflict within my students. I will say this person tends to be bit more introverted and gung-ho,

person is this way, here's two text exchanges I have between these students, what are some like relevant responses that could take into consideration each of their communication styles. use those, you don't use those, do you use those responses from AI verbatim or do use it as a guideline? I use it to give me information that I otherwise might not be seeing from something that can be subjective. at it from a different perspective. Objective, correct, yes. Interesting. Because I come with my own biases inherently that I'm not aware of.

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Save your life. But anyway, okay, then what skills do you think? Communication because you could teach an I am model to teach specifically to like she was saying to the kids needs the kids learning experiences the way that the kid actually learns instead of the Rigor the moreau like the normal cookie cutter Typecast that's put in school public schools today. He could teach an AI model or the AI model learned this kid learns this way

and now this kid is gonna be able to keep up with the rest of the class. You don't have to worry about that. So communication involving the teacher being more empathetic to the kids like, hey man, how's things going? All right, well we could just adjust this. So to me, as AI starts developing in tutoring kids, I think communication with like empathy from the teacher to the kids is gonna be more involved. Like assisting, like being able to be like that mentor and leader. That's actually exciting to me. That's actually exciting.

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Do you believe a three-day work week is a realistic future scenario due to advancements in AI? I think it's inevitable.

Okay, so time out that's not necessarily true. Okay, because late-stage capitalism we have to trust that the people that are in charge the ones that are in, you know responsible for like Correlate earnings report we have to imagine that they're gonna be able to pass those abundant things that are happening due to like decreasing costs of production Decreasing like overall everything we have to trust that they're gonna funnel that down to us so that we are able to live productive lives

No, they're lining their own pockets. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say anything on this podcast because it could get me in hot water But you and me can talk offline and I'll tell you And I'll tell you exactly what really goes they're not

You have these companies, they're sure it's all about a profit margin and everything. Yes, they don't. stockholder. They don't. I'm a stockholder in those companies. And some of those companies have done quite well. And I retired early. So be a hypocrite for me to sit here and say that's wrong. That's fair, but they treat their workers like shit. They don't give a fuck. They don't.

to say that they do is being disingenuous. A lot of people work in career fields that don't have that capability. It'll be a different perspective for sure.

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This is a good fair question. What industries do you think will be most affected by AI in terms of job reduction or transformation? Hmm Medical field legal field Yeah education for sure art already Pretty much. Yeah, I think those are my top ones. I probably say along the same lines Yeah, like the engine especially with engineering building

Can we do sort of need for the size of the military? No, not at all. Oh, you sound like a neocon all of a No, because I understand. I was military. I've been in war zones. I've actually fought. No, you can't eliminate. AI will never take over manpower. Oh, everybody listen to that one. That's of podcast. That's the title of the podcast. AI will never take over manpower. It's not feasible because we can't grow weak in that aspect. But again,

It comes down to... Well, I know, and I'm not trying to support anything involving that. I'm not trying to send some poor 18-year-old downrange to get blown the fuck up.

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Sure, but you're talking about country, different regional countries and classes and you're talking about cultures and everything else. I'll draw from all those things and come up with a universal pattern that we can all AI from America is going to be different from AI from Russia. Yes, but it's going to be different from AI from China. Hey, I'm AI. I am a big guy.

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Sure I don't believe that a stern parent I don't believe that a eyes will be intermixed Maybe eventually maybe eventually but right now no, it's gonna be a eyes were in with each other

installation project that truly illustrates what exponential growth means. Because if it is as smart and capable as it is today.

Growing exponentially means what is tomorrow? It's from our solar system to the galaxy in a matter of in a matter of years. I think we default to assigning these human characteristics to something that is so far above that. It's almost hubris on occasion to think that... Well, I think it's because we don't have the... we can't put it into words exactly what it is. You're a hundred percent talking that stuff.

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There's no words that describe what God is no AI will just give us AI will give us the limits of art being able to interpret it

Right? you have faith in your creator? I have faith in my creator.

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Therefore I should have faith in AI. But do you have faith in something that's created by created by something that was created by something? Right? I mean, if a praying mantis created this created this AI. for AI picture of Ronald Reagan, he trust but verify.

who's verifying AI? Well, I'm saying trust AI to verify. Exactly. I agree. But you just said AI will verify for No, I didn't say that. she said AI verifies. You'll verify your own list. You'll verify your own artwork. is his name? Chad? You're trusting Chad to edit your video.

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Yeah, well, I do trust Chad. Because you can't do everything yourself, have to Chad and I take exactly alike. Isn't that right, Chad? You can probably leave that in there.

Sam Fischer (56:48.728)
I think ultimately this is why I had this podcast and this question, this sums it up. How can society prepare for the economic and social impacts of widespread AI adoption? Natasha?

guess to start going to church. I don't know. We gotta start turning inward. We gotta start focusing on our fellow human being. I think we need to unplug a bit more. We're all just declining. We're just declining. It's just a sad, sad world we live in. I think if AI can help us to automate all those things, we can go make more art. I hate making lists. Lists can fuck right off. Don't put that in there, obviously. But I don't go to the grocery store with a list ever. Not one time ever. But you know what AI can do? It can take a picture of my fridge

and make a list for me based on the ingredients I already got. That makes me a more efficient, amazing human. But you said to prepare for all this that we need to go to church and turn inward. start turning inward. Everybody's so outwardly focused. I think we need to start considering what it means to be alive today. None of it's an accident. None of it's an accident. I also think that if you're worried about where we're going, maybe just try DMT. I don't know what DMT is. Yeah.

No, no dimethyltryptaline

It's what happens when you die your per chemical reaction happens your brain DMT gets released in your brain That's why people have these visions of seeing God and then coming back to life

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What ethical, wait, you didn't answer that, thin boy. How can society prepare for economic and social impacts of widespread AI adoption? You have to educate people. Just like in high school with sex, pregnancies, everything, you have to educate people. Without education, if you can't educate people about the task, about what this is and everything, then it's going to get utilized haphazardly or not to its full potential or used for other circumstances that we already know it's going to be used for. So it's like,

You can't stop it. The only thing you could do is educate. Well, hopefully this podcast is helping some folks with that. What ethical consideration should be taken into account when implementing AI in the workplace? Hold up, say what?

What ethical considerations should be taken into account when implementing AI into the workplace? I mean, guess the main one for me is like the disruption on a human level. Like we don't have a process in place for.

Ensuring that everybody still has you know food at the end of the day It makes sense that you this is the natural progression of things right? I believe in capitalism I believe that people should make money and then they're not on the same page with that for sure like we don't agree on the worst stuff either, but I think that if we don't spend more time figuring out the inevitable impact that this is gonna have on like even blue-collar jobs the labor force like the Doc strike that just happened right I don't know how familiar with that. It was over automate

which is interesting like they're they're striking against automation but that is inevitable the problem is is there's no systems in place to help those like corporations pass down like the bounty that is resulting you know they're still charging the same right but they have robots doing everything you know so I mean I think at the expense of your bottom line you need to consider more of the human maybe so ethical considerations being yes

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Yes, that's what I'm concerned about. Yeah You're making my argument for me. I'm with you on that one. I'm with you I do think it is inevitable what's happening and worrying about where it's going. It's pointless I think now we just need to focus on spirituality and our fellow human being interesting really interesting And what ethical consideration should be taken into account when implementing AI into the workplace? Probably have to agree with Tasha with the work the doc strikes a perfect example

So the company is going to create, bring into these machines that, that unload these, these, containers for exponentially faster. They're going to be able to raise the rate because the technology is higher, more efficient and it loads off. So the company can charge the people that are offloaded, the company to offload the docs, more money to get more profit margin for the same amount for less work and significantly more. While meanwhile, you got old dudes like, man,

I know you've been with us for 15 years and you're five years out from retirement, getting your 401k and everything else like that. Well, you'll get that eventually on the end for what you put in, what we put in, but we gotta let you go, man, because Robot here is gonna do your job and you and your whole union, and we're gonna let you guys go too. I think that's a shoddy deal for the human.

That's dumb. If the humans are being able to do the job and the humans are making it, it's like, hey man, how much money do you really fucking need? And I'm sounding like a dumb ass right now and I get it. And I'm not, I'm I'm not, I don't think that people should lose their wellbeing that they've been spent and dedicated their time. Their families have lost hours from not being away from their father or mother for everything.

It's like, think that's bad rap. I'm, and you can, people will say, I'm kind of on the doc strike worker side on this one. I'm for the human. I'm anti, I'm anti for what they're trying to pull like really slowly.

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We are it is it is but it doesn't mean that I can't still like pick a side

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progress. And so an outside agency should come in and say, we got to figure out how to prop up our humans during this transition period. I don't know what that means, but it's a conversation that we should be having. I don't think it's happening.

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Okay, last question. This is a great discussion by the way. I really appreciate it. Natasha, how can we ensure that the benefits of AI are distributed fairly across different segments of society? We can't leave it up to people. So I don't know that one. So that's the problem with bureaucracy. You just said the government should be involved. I know.

with AI. No, that's why it's like, we're- That's dumb.

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First amendment of the Constitution in the state that's why and so whose job is it to decide? What is harmful and what's not you're giving that job to a person and that is where the problem lies You can't give that job a person a person that hopefully has an incredible judgment United States Supreme Court Sure sure see that's next podcast You want the United States Supreme Court to be run by AI?

I think it would do equally as good a job, if not better, in terms of being fair and unbiased. Were it prompted as such? I think that's probably true. I think that's probably true. But again, it's prompted as such. You have to prompt to be unbiased, but it's got a human element into it because what created it? What created it?

and human has bias in it too. Exactly. Just like normal, right?

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No, that's right. There's pressure. There's leverage. Like you can leverage people. It's like, man, we're your constituents.

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It's not a clear and cut answer, man. There's no clear and cut answer for that question. Right. Really isn't. Right. It's just one of those things like... Right. Man, we have to be able to govern ourselves, right? And sometimes, governing ourselves means that there's got to be pushback.

I think it's worth trying something new. mean, there's that too. It's worth like being optimistic about a change considering the world's a weird place right now and I don't think it's very efficient. I'm optimistic about it about a lot of things like medical, the advances of like people being able to diagnose faster than waiting three weeks. People have injuries. They can't get into the doctor's office for a month, 45 days to get something checked, to get like a status. AI would be able to read you just like,

hey man, these are the possibilities. And then your doctor reviews it, going through is like, actually that sounds pretty sound, let's see what happens. But again, doctors aren't necessarily the brightest people either.

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If you did that 23andMe stuff, your DNA's already sold off.

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Latte. Okay. Why are they jacked? That's not true at all, sir. No, you don't do no mobility. Sure. Sure, Sam. That's fair. That's fair. Okay.

But if I could genetically clone a brand new, I could get two TFLs replaced and it's like brand new, I'd do it. You create a whole you just for those. Yeah, I imagine if it cost like $13 to make it happen. Shit, I'd pay $1,300. That's what I mean though, but is that what it So you would create a whole nother you just for those body parts. No, no, no, no.

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That's ...

No, I'm just saying, that I believe that that technology exists. think it's there on the table. Well, they've already done it. They've already started like cloning eyeballs straight from stem cells and everything. Right. Or little brains that create energy. So which is weird. I want Bo Jackson's parts. What? You know, I have an interesting story to close it.

So there's this thing I forget what it's called. It's this movement of people So there's a thing where you can 3d print you can 3d print meat essentially So like if you need a new heart they can take your genetic information and 3d print it, right? I think it's called the resurrect resurrection Lazarus project But there's a group of people who are out there trying to get the shroud of Turin Because they want to get the genetic information from that shroud put it into these 3d printers Yes What

They want to bring the Messiah Yeah, just been caught Ben underscore Collins 79 on Instagram

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