1 00:00:00,180 --> 00:00:03,431 James Cridland: It's Friday, the 31st of January 2025. 2 00:00:04,379 --> 00:00:06,567 Announcer: The last word in podcasting news. 3 00:00:06,567 --> 00:00:11,750 This is the Pod News Weekly Review with James Cridland and 4 00:00:11,891 --> 00:00:12,632 Sam Sethi. 5 00:00:13,101 --> 00:00:15,400 Sam Sethi: I'm James Cridland, the editor of Pod News, and I'm 6 00:00:15,441 --> 00:00:17,288 Sam Sethi, the CEO of True Fans. 7 00:00:18,940 --> 00:00:21,347 Andreaa Coscai: I think there's just so much that we can learn 8 00:00:21,728 --> 00:00:22,830 from one another. 9 00:00:23,140 --> 00:00:26,163 James Cridland: Andrea Koskaj on Eurowaves and why it's a new 10 00:00:26,323 --> 00:00:29,783 useful tool for podcasters everywhere, also in the chapters 11 00:00:29,783 --> 00:00:29,783 . 12 00:00:29,783 --> 00:00:33,508 Today has tuned in, tuned out of new podcasts. 13 00:00:33,508 --> 00:00:38,743 Audio podcasts have 150% higher listen-through rate than video 14 00:00:38,783 --> 00:00:39,366 podcasts. 15 00:00:39,366 --> 00:00:43,521 Podx has bought someone else, and which podcast has won the 16 00:00:43,582 --> 00:00:45,343 political podcast of the year? 17 00:00:45,343 --> 00:00:48,326 This podcast is sponsored by Buzzsprout, our sponsor. 18 00:01:01,780 --> 00:01:03,747 Sam Sethi: A little bit of a congratulations is due to them. 19 00:01:04,019 --> 00:01:04,620 James Cridland: What have they done? 20 00:01:04,620 --> 00:01:10,269 Yes, techradar have said, in a review of all of the best 21 00:01:10,349 --> 00:01:14,394 podcast hosts, they reckon that Buzzsprout is the best podcast 22 00:01:14,435 --> 00:01:15,156 hosting company. 23 00:01:15,156 --> 00:01:19,430 Also in that list Podbean, libsyn, captivate and Transistor 24 00:01:19,430 --> 00:01:23,647 , but Buzzsprout gets the number one overall, which is always 25 00:01:23,706 --> 00:01:26,272 nice for our sponsors. 26 00:01:26,272 --> 00:01:27,293 So hurrah, hurrah. 27 00:01:27,293 --> 00:01:28,906 How do they measure that, though? 28 00:01:28,906 --> 00:01:31,287 They measure that with lots of different things. 29 00:01:31,287 --> 00:01:34,504 So basically they say so. 30 00:01:34,504 --> 00:01:36,989 For example, you know, captivate is the best for 31 00:01:37,088 --> 00:01:40,515 corporates, it says, and professionals. 32 00:01:40,515 --> 00:01:43,168 Libsyn is best for no frills. 33 00:01:43,168 --> 00:01:49,087 Let's not go there, but Buzzsprout Is that a euphemism? 34 00:01:49,227 --> 00:01:51,379 Sorry, a euphemism for no features. 35 00:01:51,379 --> 00:01:53,986 I think one of the downsides that they gave there was 36 00:01:54,066 --> 00:01:55,632 complicated interface, I'll say. 37 00:01:55,632 --> 00:01:59,084 But Buzzsprout was best overall . 38 00:01:59,084 --> 00:02:03,274 And, yeah, they like the excellent customer support, 39 00:02:03,780 --> 00:02:05,987 hurrah, they like the easy-to-use interface. 40 00:02:05,987 --> 00:02:10,370 They don't like the fact that you get charged per podcast show 41 00:02:10,370 --> 00:02:10,370 . 42 00:02:10,370 --> 00:02:11,786 Well, it's one way of charging. 43 00:02:11,786 --> 00:02:16,550 And they also don't like the idea that there's no private 44 00:02:16,569 --> 00:02:17,092 podcasting. 45 00:02:17,092 --> 00:02:19,086 Well, that's not what Buzzsprout's all about, but it 46 00:02:19,105 --> 00:02:20,790 certainly is what some of the other ones are all about. 47 00:02:20,790 --> 00:02:24,468 So, yeah, it's a nice release and everything else. 48 00:02:24,468 --> 00:02:28,324 I should say that a few friends of the show have been in touch 49 00:02:28,424 --> 00:02:30,968 and said why did you focus on that? 50 00:02:30,968 --> 00:02:36,365 And their list hasn't actually changed in the last four years. 51 00:02:36,365 --> 00:02:40,201 Well, that might be because Buzzsprout's still a pretty good 52 00:02:40,201 --> 00:02:40,864 service. 53 00:02:40,864 --> 00:02:45,575 So, yeah, but yeah, certainly useful at least. 54 00:02:45,575 --> 00:02:47,943 Uh, seeing all of that excellent, well done buzzsprout. 55 00:02:48,103 --> 00:02:50,731 Sam Sethi: Now there's some new figures out, james, for the 56 00:02:50,771 --> 00:02:51,133 industry. 57 00:02:51,133 --> 00:02:53,861 Some of it's good, some of it's bad. 58 00:02:54,122 --> 00:02:55,889 James Cridland: Give me the highlights yeah, some of it is 59 00:02:55,930 --> 00:02:56,913 good, some of it is bad. 60 00:02:56,913 --> 00:03:00,763 This is um ad revenue um for the industry, the podcast 61 00:03:00,802 --> 00:03:04,268 industrial complex, as uh, adam Curry calls it. 62 00:03:04,268 --> 00:03:11,783 The IAB do a study of ad buyers and they say that, well, 63 00:03:11,843 --> 00:03:14,431 podcast ad spend will still go up this year, but not by much. 64 00:03:14,431 --> 00:03:18,106 Total advertising is set to grow by 7.3%. 65 00:03:18,106 --> 00:03:22,563 Podcasting will just beat that at 7.4% growth this year and 66 00:03:22,584 --> 00:03:25,996 that's likely to be less than it was last year. 67 00:03:25,996 --> 00:03:30,330 And they are talking about its market share dropping, and this 68 00:03:30,371 --> 00:03:31,274 was a surprise. 69 00:03:31,274 --> 00:03:35,084 A company called S&P, global Market Intelligence, has said 70 00:03:35,123 --> 00:03:38,491 that the US podcast industry, which you might remember, hit 71 00:03:38,570 --> 00:03:41,020 $1.9 billion in 2023. 72 00:03:41,020 --> 00:03:45,647 They have confidently said that it's not going to hit $2 73 00:03:45,668 --> 00:03:50,794 billion in revenue until 2032, which is quite some time in the 74 00:03:50,835 --> 00:03:51,175 future. 75 00:03:51,175 --> 00:03:54,302 I think they've got it wrong personally, but it's always 76 00:03:54,522 --> 00:04:01,692 interesting to see what these people are saying grew over the 77 00:04:01,731 --> 00:04:03,533 last year by about 14%. 78 00:04:03,533 --> 00:04:09,002 Then you can expect, therefore, us to hit the 2 billion revenue 79 00:04:09,002 --> 00:04:14,592 when it's announced in May, but we'll see what S&P end up 80 00:04:14,733 --> 00:04:15,093 saying. 81 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:21,127 Interesting little note from ACAST's Greg Glenday, who posted 82 00:04:21,127 --> 00:04:25,391 something a little bit grumpy on LinkedIn about the IAB. 83 00:04:25,391 --> 00:04:31,786 It's the IAB's 2025 Annual Leadership Meeting in Palm 84 00:04:31,826 --> 00:04:34,994 Springs, good luck with meeting in there at the moment. 85 00:04:34,994 --> 00:04:41,848 And it's $3,400. 86 00:04:41,848 --> 00:04:44,514 If you want to go, by the way, and you're a member of the IAB, 87 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:45,166 well, if you're not a member, how much does it cost you then? 88 00:04:45,166 --> 00:04:45,774 $4,400? 89 00:04:45,774 --> 00:04:46,237 If you're to go, by the way, and you're a member of the IAB, 90 00:04:46,194 --> 00:04:46,843 well, if you're not a member, how much does it cost you then? 91 00:04:46,843 --> 00:04:47,846 $4,400? 92 00:04:47,846 --> 00:04:49,170 If you're not a member, can you believe? 93 00:04:49,699 --> 00:04:50,906 Sam Sethi: Won't be going for either reason. 94 00:04:52,122 --> 00:04:53,644 James Cridland: No, I mean, I won't be going to either of 95 00:04:53,685 --> 00:04:57,052 those, but anyway, so you know. 96 00:04:57,052 --> 00:04:59,182 I mean that's a proper shindig, isn't it? 97 00:04:59,182 --> 00:05:02,468 But Greg Glenday from ACcast said that he was disappointed 98 00:05:02,507 --> 00:05:06,334 that podcasting barely registers a footnote, even in the shadow 99 00:05:06,434 --> 00:05:09,624 of the podcast election, and he added this is one of the fastest 100 00:05:09,624 --> 00:05:11,747 growing parts of the creator economy and it's still 101 00:05:11,908 --> 00:05:13,853 undervalued and misunderstood. 102 00:05:13,853 --> 00:05:18,565 Maybe this means that the podcast industry is waking up to 103 00:05:18,565 --> 00:05:22,031 the fact that the IAB is not their friend and that they 104 00:05:22,050 --> 00:05:25,076 should be moving away and doing something better not their 105 00:05:25,216 --> 00:05:27,800 friend and that they should be moving away and doing something 106 00:05:27,819 --> 00:05:27,959 better. 107 00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:32,648 If it was up to me, we would all be funding our own podcast 108 00:05:32,668 --> 00:05:33,833 advertising bureau and not leaving it to people who are 109 00:05:33,892 --> 00:05:35,600 also selling video pre-rolls and also selling ad banners with 110 00:05:35,701 --> 00:05:36,766 punching the monkey on it. 111 00:05:36,766 --> 00:05:40,764 That would be my own personal view, but anyway, let's not stop 112 00:05:40,764 --> 00:05:41,065 that. 113 00:05:42,060 --> 00:05:43,968 Sam Sethi: Again, listeners, that is not a euphemism. 114 00:05:47,062 --> 00:05:47,988 James Cridland: Oh, dear family show. 115 00:05:47,988 --> 00:05:48,632 Let's not stop that Again. 116 00:05:48,632 --> 00:05:49,317 Listeners, that is not a euphemism. 117 00:05:49,317 --> 00:05:49,800 Yes, oh, dear Family show. 118 00:05:50,841 --> 00:05:52,528 Sam Sethi: I'll rate it E this week, don't worry. 119 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,264 James Cridland: Having said that , though, there have been some 120 00:05:55,605 --> 00:06:00,274 interesting bits of data and some good news for the industry 121 00:06:00,740 --> 00:06:03,482 More listeners than ever to podcasts in the US. 122 00:06:03,482 --> 00:06:07,225 According to the Triton Digital 2024 US podcast report, they 123 00:06:07,264 --> 00:06:15,029 reckon that 44% of the US public listen to podcasts every month. 124 00:06:15,029 --> 00:06:20,353 Sounds Profitable's numbers are a bit higher I seem to remember 125 00:06:20,353 --> 00:06:24,776 53%, but in any case they've gone up and that's the important 126 00:06:24,776 --> 00:06:25,016 thing. 127 00:06:25,016 --> 00:06:29,005 Youtube, apparently, according to this, still continues to be 128 00:06:29,026 --> 00:06:32,262 the most preferred platform for a third of all podcast listeners 129 00:06:32,262 --> 00:06:32,262 . 130 00:06:32,262 --> 00:06:36,978 Apple Podcasts still seems to be going down 12.2% for Apple 131 00:06:37,017 --> 00:06:37,459 Podcasts. 132 00:06:37,459 --> 00:06:41,209 I wonder what they could do to actually change that Release any 133 00:06:41,209 --> 00:06:41,649 features. 134 00:06:42,170 --> 00:06:43,052 Sam Sethi: Release the feature. 135 00:06:43,052 --> 00:06:45,043 Apple Release the features. 136 00:06:45,584 --> 00:06:48,190 James Cridland: I do hear that there is a feature being 137 00:06:48,250 --> 00:06:48,692 released. 138 00:06:48,692 --> 00:06:58,172 Wow, I'm not reporting on it because I suspect that whoever 139 00:06:58,211 --> 00:07:00,000 has told me hasn't understood that there was an NDA. 140 00:07:06,660 --> 00:07:07,923 Sam Sethi: But it's not a feature that you'll see in the 141 00:07:07,963 --> 00:07:08,324 Apple Podcasts app. 142 00:07:08,324 --> 00:07:08,785 We'll leave it at that. 143 00:07:08,785 --> 00:07:09,706 It's uh, make life easier for us podcasters. 144 00:07:09,706 --> 00:07:10,709 So basically, no new features for apple. 145 00:07:10,709 --> 00:07:11,110 Look blink once. 146 00:07:11,110 --> 00:07:11,612 Apple podcast team. 147 00:07:11,612 --> 00:07:16,745 If you're still alive, just let us know so we're. 148 00:07:16,845 --> 00:07:17,505 James Cridland: we will see. 149 00:07:17,505 --> 00:07:21,112 I think that the change that they're going to make um is 150 00:07:21,153 --> 00:07:23,406 going to be a good change because I think that that will 151 00:07:24,269 --> 00:07:27,983 help move the industry forward a little bit, but it isn't 152 00:07:28,064 --> 00:07:33,060 something that a listener will see, but even so, that I thought 153 00:07:33,060 --> 00:07:33,540 was interesting. 154 00:07:33,540 --> 00:07:38,391 A couple of other bits of data that might be useful. 155 00:07:38,391 --> 00:07:40,310 A strong overlap who would have thought? 156 00:07:40,310 --> 00:07:41,961 A strong overlap between newspaper readers and podcast 157 00:07:41,934 --> 00:07:42,153 listeners. 158 00:07:42,125 --> 00:07:43,016 According to a new study from the Media Audit, apparently, if 159 00:07:42,987 --> 00:07:43,802 you read the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times thought a 160 00:07:43,802 --> 00:07:44,622 strong overlap between newspaper readers and podcast 161 00:07:44,593 --> 00:07:44,853 listeners. 162 00:07:44,853 --> 00:07:47,574 According to a new study from the Media Audit, apparently if 163 00:07:47,613 --> 00:07:50,420 you read the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times or USA 164 00:07:50,639 --> 00:07:54,410 Today, then you are almost twice as likely to listen to podcasts 165 00:07:54,410 --> 00:07:59,305 as the US average, which I thought was interesting to see. 166 00:07:59,305 --> 00:08:04,516 Also, in terms of data, there was a really interesting piece 167 00:08:04,557 --> 00:08:05,920 of information from Acast. 168 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:10,509 All around commuters, podcast listeners who listen to and from 169 00:08:10,509 --> 00:08:13,802 work super valuable anyway because they listen to a lot of 170 00:08:13,882 --> 00:08:14,504 podcasts. 171 00:08:14,504 --> 00:08:18,062 But also it turns out super valuable because they react to 172 00:08:18,182 --> 00:08:22,392 advertising more 22% more focused, 10% more likely to 173 00:08:22,432 --> 00:08:25,940 engage with ads, 15 percent more likely to consider podcast time 174 00:08:25,940 --> 00:08:27,685 an essential part of their day. 175 00:08:27,685 --> 00:08:32,533 So some nice data that has come out of that too. 176 00:08:33,100 --> 00:08:37,250 Sam Sethi: Looks like CarPlay offline playlists might be 177 00:08:37,309 --> 00:08:39,254 critical features for apps. 178 00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:42,423 James Cridland: Yes, and I think particularly CarPlay. 179 00:08:42,423 --> 00:08:47,148 That certainly, or indeed Android Auto is, I think, 180 00:08:47,248 --> 00:08:49,792 certainly something that's worthwhile bearing in mind, 181 00:08:50,312 --> 00:08:52,754 because there is an awful lot of audio listening in cars, for 182 00:08:52,934 --> 00:08:53,735 obvious reasons. 183 00:08:53,735 --> 00:08:56,283 And the other thing that I thought was interesting it's not 184 00:08:56,283 --> 00:08:58,846 necessarily data, although there is a little bit of data in 185 00:08:58,846 --> 00:09:02,392 there, but it's something that I thought this was interesting, 186 00:09:02,432 --> 00:09:04,575 that it took the Germans to do it. 187 00:09:04,575 --> 00:09:06,235 I thought this was interesting that it took the Germans to do 188 00:09:06,254 --> 00:09:06,294 it. 189 00:09:06,294 --> 00:09:09,355 The podcasters in the UK haven't bothered, the podcasters 190 00:09:09,355 --> 00:09:13,576 in the US haven't bothered, but the podcasters in Germany have 191 00:09:13,635 --> 00:09:18,037 put together a lovely presentation from both podcast 192 00:09:18,096 --> 00:09:22,437 publishers and marketers about the benefits of audio-only 193 00:09:22,498 --> 00:09:25,658 podcasts and basically saying they are much better than video 194 00:09:25,697 --> 00:09:26,278 podcasts. 195 00:09:26,278 --> 00:09:30,058 Focus on audio-only podcasts, because that is where the future 196 00:09:30,058 --> 00:09:31,339 of the medium is. 197 00:09:31,739 --> 00:09:35,972 Why it had to be the Germans doing this and not anybody else, 198 00:09:35,972 --> 00:09:39,322 I really don't know, but nevertheless, it's a great white 199 00:09:39,322 --> 00:09:39,724 paper. 200 00:09:39,724 --> 00:09:42,410 Now, the first time I linked to it, the white paper was in 201 00:09:42,510 --> 00:09:45,668 German, although the press release that I covered was in 202 00:09:45,827 --> 00:09:46,129 English. 203 00:09:46,129 --> 00:09:49,868 If you saw that and you thought well, I don't speak German, 204 00:09:50,610 --> 00:09:51,591 well, that's absolutely fine. 205 00:09:51,591 --> 00:09:56,288 Take a peek at Pod News on Thursday and you'll find it was 206 00:09:56,328 --> 00:10:00,846 also linked in English as well, so you can now arm yourself with 207 00:10:00,846 --> 00:10:02,471 all of the facts and the stats in there. 208 00:10:02,471 --> 00:10:04,188 What did you think about that, sam? 209 00:10:04,419 --> 00:10:07,868 Sam Sethi: Yeah, look, I think personally it's great to see 210 00:10:07,908 --> 00:10:12,163 that, and once you see it in writing, actually you go obvious 211 00:10:12,163 --> 00:10:12,163 . 212 00:10:12,163 --> 00:10:13,907 Yes, isn't it obvious? 213 00:10:13,907 --> 00:10:17,200 It's like everything in hindsight is obvious once you 214 00:10:17,259 --> 00:10:17,561 know it. 215 00:10:17,561 --> 00:10:20,248 And I think this is one of those moments where you go 216 00:10:20,928 --> 00:10:21,370 clearly. 217 00:10:21,370 --> 00:10:24,306 I understand it because that's what it reflects on my own 218 00:10:24,346 --> 00:10:24,886 behaviour. 219 00:10:24,886 --> 00:10:29,447 I don't watch, you know, videos to the end, it's just not 220 00:10:29,506 --> 00:10:29,827 natural. 221 00:10:29,827 --> 00:10:31,331 But I might watch them. 222 00:10:31,331 --> 00:10:34,405 Why Because I'm in the car, why Because I'm at the gym, or why 223 00:10:34,466 --> 00:10:35,368 Because I can't? 224 00:10:35,408 --> 00:10:35,990 James Cridland: get to my phone. 225 00:10:36,129 --> 00:10:38,020 Sam Sethi: No, I think that's great Good work. 226 00:10:38,062 --> 00:10:38,802 James Cridland: Germans. 227 00:10:38,802 --> 00:10:42,567 Why and you know the IAB would never do that. 228 00:10:42,567 --> 00:10:46,993 Of course, because the IAB is there promoting video ads as 229 00:10:47,052 --> 00:10:49,875 well as audio ads, because they are not our friend. 230 00:10:49,875 --> 00:10:55,807 And if we had a podcast advertising bureau, maybe one of 231 00:10:55,807 --> 00:10:58,490 the first things that they would be doing is actually 232 00:10:58,529 --> 00:11:02,734 turning around and saying no, audio podcasts are amazingly 233 00:11:02,774 --> 00:11:04,515 good for you advertisers. 234 00:11:04,515 --> 00:11:06,958 No, audio podcasts are amazingly good for you 235 00:11:06,979 --> 00:11:07,379 advertisers. 236 00:11:07,379 --> 00:11:09,946 But no, all of the Americans and all of the Brits and all of 237 00:11:09,966 --> 00:11:11,211 the Australians have just sat on our hands and gone. 238 00:11:11,211 --> 00:11:13,120 Whatever you say, mr Spotify, whatever you say, mr YouTube, 239 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,039 and it's such a missed opportunity. 240 00:11:15,039 --> 00:11:20,172 So I'm so delighted to see that the Germans have ended up doing 241 00:11:20,172 --> 00:11:20,413 that. 242 00:11:33,589 --> 00:11:37,371 Sam Sethi: Grab the English version of that slide deck and 243 00:11:37,731 --> 00:11:41,375 use that to help you sell ads is what I would say for, um, how 244 00:11:41,414 --> 00:11:42,096 do we do that? 245 00:11:42,096 --> 00:11:46,178 Um, you know it's not going to magically happen, right? 246 00:11:46,178 --> 00:11:47,919 The PSP, unfortunately. 247 00:11:47,919 --> 00:11:53,269 Yeah, it's not going to make it happen, and I don't see 248 00:11:53,350 --> 00:11:54,513 companies combining. 249 00:11:54,513 --> 00:11:58,087 I don't see any of the big ad companies which would be in 250 00:11:58,128 --> 00:12:01,837 their interest, like Triton, doing something or well, but, 251 00:12:02,539 --> 00:12:06,309 but you know, this presentation from the Germansans shows it. 252 00:12:06,409 --> 00:12:09,443 James Cridland: I mean, you know that that essentially was uh, 253 00:12:09,585 --> 00:12:13,472 acast was in there, along with a company called 71 audio, axel 254 00:12:13,513 --> 00:12:17,386 springer, which is a massive publisher in germany, uh, iq, 255 00:12:17,447 --> 00:12:20,072 the audio alliance, and various other people, um, who I can't 256 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:21,261 pronounce um. 257 00:12:21,261 --> 00:12:27,091 So they've certainly done that and I I think, if you look at 258 00:12:27,273 --> 00:12:30,505 the UK, for example, there has been a consortium of podcast 259 00:12:30,546 --> 00:12:37,482 publishers who have been making noises about the BBC and saying 260 00:12:37,503 --> 00:12:40,606 that the BBC should stop thinking about advertising 261 00:12:41,327 --> 00:12:43,591 within their podcasts in the UK. 262 00:12:43,591 --> 00:12:45,894 So all of that kind of stuff is going. 263 00:12:45,894 --> 00:12:53,028 We can see that podcast publishers will work together on 264 00:12:53,028 --> 00:12:54,270 things like that. 265 00:12:54,270 --> 00:12:57,481 So I think it's just another case of I mean, these podcast 266 00:12:57,501 --> 00:12:59,727 publishers are working together on other things. 267 00:12:59,727 --> 00:13:06,188 Why are they just letting the IB run this industry and own the 268 00:13:06,188 --> 00:13:09,875 relationship between them and the advertiser? 269 00:13:09,875 --> 00:13:11,988 To me it's just a weird old thing. 270 00:13:13,181 --> 00:13:14,868 Sam Sethi: The other things that you pointed out there. 271 00:13:14,868 --> 00:13:16,100 Okay, I've got a couple of questions. 272 00:13:16,100 --> 00:13:20,931 One is why is YouTube still seen as the platform for 273 00:13:20,990 --> 00:13:21,533 podcasting? 274 00:13:21,533 --> 00:13:25,150 Is it because, look, it's a term I want to use for 25. 275 00:13:25,150 --> 00:13:26,721 Is it a super app? 276 00:13:26,721 --> 00:13:28,365 Is it a multifunction app? 277 00:13:28,365 --> 00:13:30,230 And that's why people go to it? 278 00:13:30,230 --> 00:13:33,644 They go to it to watch video, listen to podcasts, play music, 279 00:13:34,024 --> 00:13:35,227 go to look at a film. 280 00:13:35,227 --> 00:13:38,341 Maybe Is that why it's dominating, or is there another 281 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:38,640 reason? 282 00:13:39,062 --> 00:13:42,427 James Cridland: The data says YouTube continues to be the most 283 00:13:42,427 --> 00:13:46,715 preferred platform for 33% of all podcast listeners. 284 00:13:46,715 --> 00:13:47,139 What's that? 285 00:13:47,139 --> 00:13:51,149 What that isn't saying is that YouTube gets the most listeners, 286 00:13:51,149 --> 00:13:55,241 or indeed that YouTube gets the most listens either. 287 00:13:55,241 --> 00:13:59,546 All it's saying is that people who've used Apple and YouTube 288 00:13:59,765 --> 00:14:04,991 and you know, you know whatever prefer to use YouTube. 289 00:14:04,991 --> 00:14:09,115 So, and why might that be the case? 290 00:14:09,115 --> 00:14:16,544 Well, because you know, I don't know, maybe it's a decent app, 291 00:14:16,565 --> 00:14:18,009 but that doesn't say that the majority of podcasts consumed 292 00:14:18,029 --> 00:14:20,499 are on the YouTube platform, and I think that's, you know, 293 00:14:20,538 --> 00:14:23,644 something that we kind of forget about and it's probably 294 00:14:23,683 --> 00:14:24,865 important just to bear in mind. 295 00:14:24,865 --> 00:14:27,610 So that's sort of one side. 296 00:14:27,669 --> 00:14:31,054 But yeah, I mean, why is YouTube continuing to do really well? 297 00:14:31,054 --> 00:14:37,743 Why is Apple Podcasts slumping? 298 00:14:37,743 --> 00:14:39,708 Is it truly because no new features, although there have 299 00:14:39,729 --> 00:14:41,434 been a few new features in the last year, and you know, and 300 00:14:41,676 --> 00:14:43,662 Spotify seems to be doing pretty well as well. 301 00:14:43,662 --> 00:14:46,230 So, yeah, it's a curious one. 302 00:14:46,230 --> 00:14:50,046 Maybe Apple Podcasts, the lack of video in Apple Podcasts? 303 00:14:50,046 --> 00:14:53,471 I know it does it, but the lack of decent video in Apple 304 00:14:53,511 --> 00:14:54,673 Podcasts is one of the reasons. 305 00:14:54,673 --> 00:14:55,134 I don't know. 306 00:14:56,062 --> 00:14:57,928 Sam Sethi: Well, I would say that may be one of them. 307 00:14:57,928 --> 00:15:00,687 I think you know there's a dozen other reasons I could give 308 00:15:00,687 --> 00:15:02,511 you that they don't do. 309 00:15:02,511 --> 00:15:07,623 The other one, james, is we talked about the growth of users 310 00:15:07,623 --> 00:15:10,389 , which is brilliant, but why, would anyone say because from 311 00:15:10,669 --> 00:15:14,244 what you read it would sound to me like advertising is 312 00:15:14,325 --> 00:15:17,673 flatlining we think it's not flatlining. 313 00:15:17,673 --> 00:15:20,402 We think it's going to burst through the two billion? 314 00:15:20,402 --> 00:15:25,996 Given the roganomics and the political advertising, the money 315 00:15:25,996 --> 00:15:27,640 must be coming towards podcasting. 316 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:32,270 So why would S&P say that it's not going to go through the two 317 00:15:32,331 --> 00:15:35,663 billion mark for another half a decade? 318 00:15:36,024 --> 00:15:38,668 James Cridland: Well, yes, I mean, that's a good question 319 00:15:39,269 --> 00:15:39,591 really. 320 00:15:39,591 --> 00:15:45,065 They say that things are going to decline in 2025, primarily 321 00:15:45,144 --> 00:15:48,650 since it's not an election year, it's not an Olympic year in the 322 00:15:48,650 --> 00:15:53,202 US, and this is just purely US numbers, of course, and so you 323 00:15:53,243 --> 00:15:58,985 know that is one thing, but it doesn't really say very much 324 00:15:59,086 --> 00:16:03,374 more about the thinking behind that number. 325 00:16:03,374 --> 00:16:11,761 Thinking behind that number it's expecting that podcasting 326 00:16:11,782 --> 00:16:13,424 will triple in terms of ad share by 2034. 327 00:16:13,424 --> 00:16:15,528 So at the moment, it's about 6% and they reckon it'll be about 328 00:16:15,589 --> 00:16:20,442 16%, and so you know it should do a bit better. 329 00:16:20,442 --> 00:16:26,455 But yeah, it's a curious one that I don't fully understand 330 00:16:27,096 --> 00:16:30,001 why they seem to be marking podcasting down. 331 00:16:30,884 --> 00:16:33,070 Sam Sethi: Let's move on, then, to your friend Richard Stern, 332 00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:34,211 ceo of TuneIn. 333 00:16:34,211 --> 00:16:35,020 What's he been? 334 00:16:35,081 --> 00:16:38,368 James Cridland: after my friend, my friend who doesn't talk to 335 00:16:38,408 --> 00:16:40,412 me, my friend, yes exactly. 336 00:16:40,932 --> 00:16:43,525 Sam Sethi: Doesn't ring, doesn't call, doesn't send you an email 337 00:16:43,525 --> 00:16:43,525 . 338 00:16:43,525 --> 00:16:44,047 What's he? 339 00:16:44,128 --> 00:16:51,160 James Cridland: up to no, indeed . 340 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:51,721 So, yes, he didn't talk to us. 341 00:16:51,721 --> 00:16:53,046 Of course, you might remember I was doing some digging and 342 00:16:53,066 --> 00:16:53,206 asking. 343 00:16:53,206 --> 00:16:54,750 I just asked him one simple question Can you tell us when 344 00:16:54,769 --> 00:16:59,046 we're going to be able to add podcasts to your platform? 345 00:16:59,046 --> 00:17:04,755 And he sent me directly to their customer support people 346 00:17:04,775 --> 00:17:06,883 who sent me back the copy and paste which they've been sending 347 00:17:06,883 --> 00:17:12,252 back since February, and then blocked me on LinkedIn, which is 348 00:17:12,252 --> 00:17:13,355 how I got in touch with him. 349 00:17:13,355 --> 00:17:14,685 So I thought well, there you go . 350 00:17:14,900 --> 00:17:19,750 Anyway, he ended up talking to iHeart's podcast News Daily, 351 00:17:19,789 --> 00:17:24,871 which apparently is a thing that iCast do, and they carried a 352 00:17:24,911 --> 00:17:25,674 full interview. 353 00:17:25,674 --> 00:17:28,548 And they probably carried the full interview for two reasons 354 00:17:28,648 --> 00:17:32,221 Firstly, because, of course, it was also carried in iHeart's 355 00:17:32,542 --> 00:17:36,050 inside radio and so, therefore, was talking to lots of radio. 356 00:17:36,050 --> 00:17:40,847 People Tune in hugely important to radio, and one of the things 357 00:17:40,847 --> 00:17:47,304 that Richard Stern basically said is look, and one of the 358 00:17:47,324 --> 00:17:51,152 things that Richard Stern basically said is look, 96% of 359 00:17:51,172 --> 00:17:52,895 listening on TuneIn is to live audio. 360 00:17:52,895 --> 00:17:56,881 There's no revenue in us adding a podcast, he said, and so 361 00:17:56,901 --> 00:17:58,367 therefore, we're not really updating our podcast directory 362 00:17:58,387 --> 00:17:59,713 for anything other than our partners' podcasts, and he's got 363 00:17:59,713 --> 00:18:00,980 no plans to change that Absolutely no plans. 364 00:18:01,559 --> 00:18:02,060 So it was interesting. 365 00:18:02,060 --> 00:18:02,522 Absolutely no plans. 366 00:18:02,522 --> 00:18:03,144 So it was interesting. 367 00:18:03,144 --> 00:18:11,020 And, to give iHeart their due, they did ask him a few, you know 368 00:18:11,020 --> 00:18:11,644 , difficult questions of you. 369 00:18:11,644 --> 00:18:12,125 Know how are you? 370 00:18:12,125 --> 00:18:13,450 You know how are you making money and why aren't you 371 00:18:13,470 --> 00:18:14,775 supporting podcasts, and blah, blah blah. 372 00:18:14,775 --> 00:18:18,163 The only podcasts that are being updated are partners' 373 00:18:18,223 --> 00:18:21,471 podcasts, because they get a data feed directly from some of 374 00:18:21,491 --> 00:18:23,623 those partners, and one of those partners, surprise, surprise, 375 00:18:23,843 --> 00:18:24,525 is iHeart. 376 00:18:24,525 --> 00:18:28,352 So that explains that one Don't expect a Christmas card. 377 00:18:28,593 --> 00:18:30,602 Sam Sethi: That's all I'll say Now. 378 00:18:30,602 --> 00:18:33,434 Is anyone else, James, do you think, going to start a 379 00:18:33,494 --> 00:18:34,619 podcasting newsletter? 380 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,743 James Cridland: Well, I mean, I hope so. 381 00:18:36,743 --> 00:18:41,511 I mean, there's somebody in Australia who stole most of my 382 00:18:41,593 --> 00:18:46,250 work and has produced something which looks awful, but it's 383 00:18:46,289 --> 00:18:48,923 still going, so I'm not quite sure what's going on there, but 384 00:18:48,983 --> 00:18:50,066 anyway, ignoring him. 385 00:18:50,066 --> 00:18:56,765 Yes, there are a number of interesting people, including 386 00:18:56,786 --> 00:19:00,373 Katie Law from Pod the North, which is a newsletter all about 387 00:19:00,492 --> 00:19:06,194 Canada, and also there's a new podcast newsletter covering 388 00:19:06,375 --> 00:19:09,085 podcasting in Europe, which is a little bit different, isn't it? 389 00:19:09,085 --> 00:19:11,131 You caught up with Andrea Koskaj? 390 00:19:11,131 --> 00:19:12,261 Yeah, she's lovely. 391 00:19:12,343 --> 00:19:16,111 Sam Sethi: She's worked with Lauren Purcell and Ariel 392 00:19:16,131 --> 00:19:17,212 Nissenblatt over at Tinksh. 393 00:19:17,212 --> 00:19:21,367 I say has is working with them still, but she's moved back to 394 00:19:21,488 --> 00:19:25,165 Europe and she's started a new podcast newsletter called 395 00:19:25,326 --> 00:19:25,768 Eurowaves. 396 00:19:25,768 --> 00:19:28,566 So I thought I'd start off by asking her why she started it. 397 00:19:28,645 --> 00:19:32,221 Andreaa Coscai: So Eurowaves is not to sound cliche, but it is 398 00:19:32,260 --> 00:19:37,416 the first European podcasting newsletter and my goal for it is 399 00:19:37,416 --> 00:19:42,067 to connect different European podcasting industries to see 400 00:19:42,107 --> 00:19:45,544 what the connections are, what the missing links are and how we 401 00:19:45,544 --> 00:19:46,682 can come together more. 402 00:19:46,682 --> 00:19:51,017 Now I'm also very interested in the rest of the world, so not 403 00:19:51,116 --> 00:19:54,405 only within Europe, but also connecting Europe and the US and 404 00:19:54,405 --> 00:19:58,101 you know the UK specific industry and beyond that, canada 405 00:19:58,101 --> 00:19:59,364 and Asia and Africa. 406 00:19:59,364 --> 00:20:00,086 There's so much. 407 00:20:00,086 --> 00:20:03,221 So this is just the beginning, but that is kind of my vision 408 00:20:03,261 --> 00:20:07,381 for it and, yeah, it's been amazing right so far, everyone 409 00:20:07,421 --> 00:20:10,569 has been so supportive, as people are in the podcasting 410 00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:14,989 industry and, yeah, just trying to see how I can be helpful and 411 00:20:15,108 --> 00:20:16,392 contribute to the growth. 412 00:20:16,940 --> 00:20:18,707 Sam Sethi: Okay, we're at newsletter four. 413 00:20:18,707 --> 00:20:21,147 When did you come up with the idea? 414 00:20:21,147 --> 00:20:22,334 When did you suddenly go? 415 00:20:22,334 --> 00:20:26,009 I want to do this, Mm-hmm you come up with the idea? 416 00:20:26,049 --> 00:20:26,693 Andreaa Coscai: When did you suddenly go? 417 00:20:26,693 --> 00:20:27,779 I want to do this. 418 00:20:27,779 --> 00:20:32,782 So I would say it was about last fall, because I started 419 00:20:32,803 --> 00:20:34,067 working with Tink Media, which we'll probably go more into a 420 00:20:34,087 --> 00:20:36,074 little bit later, but I was very much involved in the US 421 00:20:36,114 --> 00:20:37,116 podcasting space. 422 00:20:37,116 --> 00:20:40,115 I was living there for five years and, just for context, I'm 423 00:20:40,115 --> 00:20:44,428 originally from Romania and I have been back in Europe for 424 00:20:44,488 --> 00:20:47,162 about a year and a half and what I've been doing since I came 425 00:20:47,201 --> 00:20:50,631 back is trying to figure out how the Romanian podcasting 426 00:20:50,671 --> 00:20:54,587 landscape is, what I can bring to it and what can be done 427 00:20:54,627 --> 00:20:57,442 really from everything I'm learning from the US podcasting 428 00:20:57,481 --> 00:21:00,186 space and it's pretty limited. 429 00:21:00,406 --> 00:21:04,299 So that was disappointing, but at the same time, it's exciting 430 00:21:04,340 --> 00:21:06,982 because there are a lot of opportunities and I said, okay, 431 00:21:07,482 --> 00:21:10,605 let me not just stop at Romania, I want to go beyond that and I 432 00:21:10,645 --> 00:21:13,989 want to see what's going on in Europe and, to my surprise, 433 00:21:14,729 --> 00:21:17,391 there are so many amazing projects going on, so many 434 00:21:17,431 --> 00:21:20,713 podcast production companies, even, you know, cross-border 435 00:21:20,733 --> 00:21:24,257 collaborations, which is one of the things that I'm most excited 436 00:21:24,257 --> 00:21:26,702 about cross-border collaborations, which is one of 437 00:21:26,722 --> 00:21:27,645 the things that I'm most excited about. 438 00:21:27,645 --> 00:21:28,749 So that's kind of how the idea came together. 439 00:21:28,749 --> 00:21:31,056 I've spoken with a few people who were very supportive and 440 00:21:31,076 --> 00:21:32,001 gave me some ideas. 441 00:21:32,001 --> 00:21:35,529 Lauren was supportive from the get-go, lauren Passell, ariel 442 00:21:35,549 --> 00:21:39,644 Nissenblad, who I also work with at Earbuds, yeah, and I said, 443 00:21:39,723 --> 00:21:40,806 okay, let me give it a go. 444 00:21:41,426 --> 00:21:42,307 Sam Sethi: Okay, let's cover them. 445 00:21:42,307 --> 00:21:44,330 We've mentioned them enough times already. 446 00:21:44,330 --> 00:21:48,016 So Lauren at Tink and Ariel, how did you meet them? 447 00:21:48,215 --> 00:21:51,240 Andreaa Coscai: So okay to go back a little bit to where I was 448 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:52,102 when I met them. 449 00:21:52,281 --> 00:21:57,010 So I was in the States for five years and I was kind of in 450 00:21:57,050 --> 00:21:58,534 between gigs. 451 00:21:58,974 --> 00:22:02,606 I was freelancing at that point in podcasting and I started out 452 00:22:02,647 --> 00:22:06,662 freelancing in production, which I really miss, and then also 453 00:22:06,862 --> 00:22:10,391 doing a bit of social media marketing, which, if you know 454 00:22:10,411 --> 00:22:12,804 Tink and if you know our opinions about social media 455 00:22:12,845 --> 00:22:15,872 marketing, it can be helpful to engage your audience, but it's 456 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,346 not necessarily going to be the best for audience growth, which 457 00:22:18,406 --> 00:22:19,891 is what I also saw in my project . 458 00:22:19,891 --> 00:22:24,722 And I was really looking to find a community of podcast 459 00:22:24,762 --> 00:22:28,865 lovers, as I am, I just love listening to podcasts, not only 460 00:22:28,905 --> 00:22:31,307 working in the industry, but I love the medium as a whole. 461 00:22:31,307 --> 00:22:36,852 So I put out an announcement on listservs telling everyone that 462 00:22:36,852 --> 00:22:41,516 you know I can be helpful with anything production, marketing, 463 00:22:41,596 --> 00:22:46,862 social media, just all the skill sets I had production, 464 00:22:46,882 --> 00:22:48,126 marketing, social media, just all the skill sets I had. 465 00:22:48,126 --> 00:22:50,034 And Ariel reached out at the time actually and said they were 466 00:22:50,034 --> 00:22:50,936 looking to add someone to the team. 467 00:22:50,936 --> 00:22:51,238 We had a call. 468 00:22:51,238 --> 00:22:54,286 We immediately had such a great energy and, as you know, they 469 00:22:54,346 --> 00:22:57,582 are really amazing people and then it yeah, it moved on from 470 00:22:57,622 --> 00:22:57,801 there. 471 00:22:58,222 --> 00:23:00,848 Sam Sethi: So what was your role when you were there? 472 00:23:00,848 --> 00:23:03,361 Were you helping produce the newsletter? 473 00:23:03,361 --> 00:23:04,503 Were you helping produce? 474 00:23:04,503 --> 00:23:05,325 What were you doing? 475 00:23:05,486 --> 00:23:07,750 Andreaa Coscai: So, yeah, I'm still working with Tink Media 476 00:23:07,789 --> 00:23:11,804 and basically have been doing a lot of PR and marketing, and 477 00:23:12,164 --> 00:23:12,905 I've been loving it. 478 00:23:12,905 --> 00:23:14,730 I learned so much about the industry. 479 00:23:14,730 --> 00:23:19,747 I learned so much about what really builds an audience from 480 00:23:19,787 --> 00:23:24,262 that perspective of a community and engaging with them, and how 481 00:23:24,363 --> 00:23:28,506 impactful storytelling can be, which is what draws me to the 482 00:23:28,566 --> 00:23:29,428 medium in the first place. 483 00:23:29,428 --> 00:23:31,501 So, yeah, that's what I've been doing learning so much from 484 00:23:31,582 --> 00:23:35,491 everyone and then also bringing in what I was previously doing 485 00:23:35,592 --> 00:23:38,903 to Tink and this kind of multicultural, international 486 00:23:39,164 --> 00:23:39,424 angle. 487 00:23:39,945 --> 00:23:42,127 Sam Sethi: So what's your strategy for growth, then for 488 00:23:42,208 --> 00:23:42,729 Eurowaves? 489 00:23:44,932 --> 00:23:48,155 Andreaa Coscai: It's honestly, it's the same as podcast growth, 490 00:23:48,155 --> 00:23:51,221 I would say, because podcast growth is all about making 491 00:23:51,260 --> 00:23:54,227 podcast friends and that's the industry as a whole. 492 00:23:54,227 --> 00:23:59,448 So my strategy for Eurowaves is continuing to build those 493 00:23:59,508 --> 00:24:02,700 connections, which is like the vision of the newsletter itself. 494 00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:06,090 So I feel like it's kind of self-fulfilling, almost. 495 00:24:06,090 --> 00:24:09,568 And then, yeah, continuing to also support other newsletters 496 00:24:09,689 --> 00:24:14,067 at the same time amplify them, amplify other creators, connect 497 00:24:14,106 --> 00:24:15,851 them, and then it happens. 498 00:24:16,172 --> 00:24:17,273 Sam Sethi: Is there going to be a podcast? 499 00:24:20,183 --> 00:24:23,192 Andreaa Coscai: Oh, great question. 500 00:24:23,192 --> 00:24:27,208 I had not thought of before, but that's how I want to think, 501 00:24:27,709 --> 00:24:31,384 yes, I, I know I've been so wrapped up in, like, okay, 502 00:24:31,503 --> 00:24:33,931 writing the issue, sending this email connecting with this 503 00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:37,366 person, and like the little tasks that add up to a lot. 504 00:24:37,366 --> 00:24:39,211 But, yeah, it was right there. 505 00:24:39,211 --> 00:24:44,208 Well, I will think about it for sure now excellent 2025. 506 00:24:44,528 --> 00:24:46,933 Sam Sethi: What do you see happening across the industry? 507 00:24:46,933 --> 00:24:50,165 Given your years of experience in the US? 508 00:24:50,165 --> 00:24:51,489 Now you're back in Europe. 509 00:24:51,489 --> 00:24:55,005 What does Andrea see going to happen in 2025? 510 00:24:55,726 --> 00:25:00,218 Andreaa Coscai: Well, my hopes are for that international 511 00:25:00,478 --> 00:25:04,488 collaboration, because I think there's just so much that we can 512 00:25:04,488 --> 00:25:09,144 learn from one another, as I'm meeting with more creators from 513 00:25:09,665 --> 00:25:12,732 Europe and trying to compare with what I know from the US. 514 00:25:12,732 --> 00:25:15,849 Even the monetization models are very different. 515 00:25:15,849 --> 00:25:20,025 For example, europe is very much subscription based, so 516 00:25:20,065 --> 00:25:22,952 that's something that could be more implemented in the US. 517 00:25:22,952 --> 00:25:26,744 Obviously, the US industry is already at another level, but I 518 00:25:26,806 --> 00:25:30,318 think there's always more room for growth and everyone's 519 00:25:30,338 --> 00:25:32,443 looking to diversify their income stream. 520 00:25:32,443 --> 00:25:36,232 So maybe paying closer attention to that and then, vice 521 00:25:36,232 --> 00:25:40,468 versa, probably putting more, so an emphasis on narrative 522 00:25:40,508 --> 00:25:44,007 podcasts in Europe as well, and this is a pretty, you know, 523 00:25:44,107 --> 00:25:48,124 focused look I'm taking at podcasting right now. 524 00:25:48,124 --> 00:25:52,118 It doesn't really talk about the so many other podcasting 525 00:25:52,159 --> 00:25:55,391 industries, like in Africa and Asia and so many parts of the 526 00:25:55,411 --> 00:25:57,840 world, but this is what I'm hyper focused on right now, so 527 00:25:57,881 --> 00:25:59,525 that's why I'm talking about that. 528 00:25:59,586 --> 00:26:02,240 But I would love to see more narrative podcasts in Europe as 529 00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:06,031 well and a lot more play with multi-language. 530 00:26:06,031 --> 00:26:09,289 I'm personally a language nerd, so I'm biased about that. 531 00:26:09,289 --> 00:26:13,171 I think podcasts can be a great way to practice your language 532 00:26:13,191 --> 00:26:18,010 skills, and AI is definitely helpful in that sense. 533 00:26:18,010 --> 00:26:20,800 That's the hot topic in podcasting these years, but I 534 00:26:20,861 --> 00:26:24,288 think it needs to be used carefully so that we still pay 535 00:26:24,329 --> 00:26:28,626 attention to the cultural differences, the nuances and, 536 00:26:29,067 --> 00:26:32,721 you know, any kind of references that would make sense for a 537 00:26:32,781 --> 00:26:35,792 German listener would not make any sense for a Romanian 538 00:26:35,833 --> 00:26:38,480 listener, so you cannot just translate directly. 539 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,686 And, yeah, there are definitely maybe some tools that can be 540 00:26:42,747 --> 00:26:44,169 developed in that sense. 541 00:26:45,069 --> 00:26:46,813 Sam Sethi: Yeah, one of the tools that we be developed in 542 00:26:46,833 --> 00:26:48,855 that sense, yeah, one of the tools that we love is 543 00:26:48,875 --> 00:26:49,997 WonderCraft. 544 00:26:49,997 --> 00:26:50,838 They do a great job. 545 00:26:50,838 --> 00:26:53,605 They use the technology from Eleven Labs to allow you to use 546 00:26:53,786 --> 00:26:56,491 podcast translation of your voice, but in your tone. 547 00:26:57,339 --> 00:27:00,288 So, james, has done a really good job of speaking Japanese 548 00:27:00,348 --> 00:27:03,067 strangely, or suddenly speaking Italian, or whatever. 549 00:27:03,067 --> 00:27:09,961 I think WonderCraft's done a really good job and I think AI 550 00:27:09,980 --> 00:27:10,362 has done a good job. 551 00:27:10,362 --> 00:27:11,025 So you talked about subscription. 552 00:27:11,025 --> 00:27:11,847 How does Eurowaves make its money then? 553 00:27:11,847 --> 00:27:12,832 Are you going to go subscription? 554 00:27:12,832 --> 00:27:14,036 Are you going to stay open? 555 00:27:14,579 --> 00:27:18,146 Andreaa Coscai: I will definitely stay open for the 556 00:27:18,186 --> 00:27:18,688 most part. 557 00:27:18,688 --> 00:27:21,980 I think that's part of my personal ethos as well, and it's 558 00:27:21,980 --> 00:27:24,627 been a trend in all the work I've done so far. 559 00:27:24,627 --> 00:27:28,707 I'm also the founder of Her Time Romania, which is an NGO in 560 00:27:28,707 --> 00:27:31,940 Romania focused on leadership for young women and their 561 00:27:32,020 --> 00:27:35,348 personal and professional development, and so we did have 562 00:27:35,469 --> 00:27:39,125 some paid events and paid opportunities, but the main goal 563 00:27:39,125 --> 00:27:43,480 was really making education accessible for everyone, so 564 00:27:43,621 --> 00:27:45,828 that's definitely my goal for Eurowaves as well. 565 00:27:45,828 --> 00:27:50,111 What I would love, though, is to partner up with some brands, 566 00:27:50,211 --> 00:27:53,689 companies, you know, creators who would love to promote their 567 00:27:53,729 --> 00:27:56,781 work, and, you know, as I mentioned, eurowaves is all 568 00:27:56,821 --> 00:27:59,830 about amplifying what's in the podcast community. 569 00:28:00,740 --> 00:28:04,250 Sam Sethi: And will we see you in Boston at Podcast Movement, 570 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,166 or will we see you in London at the London Podcast Show, or 571 00:28:06,186 --> 00:28:06,387 where else? 572 00:28:06,387 --> 00:28:07,873 Might we see you in Boston at Podcast Movement, or will we see 573 00:28:07,873 --> 00:28:09,317 you in London at the London Podcast Show or where? 574 00:28:09,357 --> 00:28:09,779 Andreaa Coscai: else, might we see you? 575 00:28:09,779 --> 00:28:12,750 Yes, I am planning to come to the podcast show. 576 00:28:12,750 --> 00:28:18,086 It is not 100% confirmed yet, as I assume it's for most people 577 00:28:18,086 --> 00:28:22,550 , but I would love love to come to Podcast Movement as well, 578 00:28:22,571 --> 00:28:26,236 also because that's where Tink Media folks gather up usually 579 00:28:26,380 --> 00:28:30,243 and we need to meet more often face-to-face, because our energy 580 00:28:30,243 --> 00:28:32,671 , just virtually, is already amazing. 581 00:28:32,671 --> 00:28:36,222 I was also thinking of Radio Days Europe, which is another 582 00:28:36,423 --> 00:28:37,648 amazing conference. 583 00:28:37,648 --> 00:28:39,547 As you know, it's in Athens this year. 584 00:28:39,547 --> 00:28:43,683 Yeah, there are a lot of great events I also share in my 585 00:28:43,743 --> 00:28:46,951 newsletter for anyone listening who is in Europe or is visiting 586 00:28:47,070 --> 00:28:49,545 Europe at whatever point of the year. 587 00:28:49,545 --> 00:28:55,431 I do share different events happening in Lithuania, germany, 588 00:28:55,431 --> 00:28:56,933 belgium, all over. 589 00:28:56,933 --> 00:28:59,886 So if you happen to be taking a trip somewhere and you're a 590 00:28:59,928 --> 00:29:03,948 podcaster, you might find an event and, yeah, it'll be 591 00:29:03,988 --> 00:29:04,851 included in the newsletter. 592 00:29:06,101 --> 00:29:08,868 Sam Sethi: Okay, Last question If you could have one interview 593 00:29:09,028 --> 00:29:11,642 in the podcasting space, who would you interview? 594 00:29:13,667 --> 00:29:17,740 Andreaa Coscai: Well, it'll have to be someone in the US space, 595 00:29:17,859 --> 00:29:20,604 because I have to say, that's how I started out loving 596 00:29:21,305 --> 00:29:22,105 podcasting. 597 00:29:22,105 --> 00:29:27,554 I'm absolutely in love with Caitlin Press' work At the Heart 598 00:29:27,554 --> 00:29:27,554 . 599 00:29:27,554 --> 00:29:31,291 That was one of the first podcasts I listened to and I can 600 00:29:31,291 --> 00:29:33,962 really see how it influenced just my podcast listening habits 601 00:29:33,962 --> 00:29:36,854 , because they're always sound design heavy, so it would 602 00:29:36,933 --> 00:29:39,082 probably be Caitlin Press. 603 00:29:39,082 --> 00:29:42,575 And then, oh, I'm also very excited to be interviewing some 604 00:29:42,615 --> 00:29:46,140 Romanian podcasters because I didn't get to touch on it but, 605 00:29:46,622 --> 00:29:49,313 even though it's not as developed as I wish it would be, 606 00:29:49,313 --> 00:29:52,563 there's so many independent creators doing narrative work 607 00:29:52,682 --> 00:29:56,653 and really doing podcasts about social issues and it's amazing 608 00:29:56,692 --> 00:29:58,726 and I would love to share that more with the world because I 609 00:29:58,766 --> 00:30:00,290 think it needs to be more seen. 610 00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:04,082 Sam Sethi: Andrea, tell everyone where they can go and get 611 00:30:04,542 --> 00:30:06,624 subscribed to Eurowaves. 612 00:30:08,126 --> 00:30:12,178 Andreaa Coscai: You can find Eurowaves on Substack and I post 613 00:30:12,178 --> 00:30:13,422 every couple of weeks. 614 00:30:13,422 --> 00:30:16,490 It's a bit of a longer newsletter, so don't worry, 615 00:30:16,509 --> 00:30:17,111 you'll be happy. 616 00:30:17,111 --> 00:30:19,317 It's every two weeks so you can catch up on it. 617 00:30:19,317 --> 00:30:22,192 You can also find it on LinkedIn and you can find me on 618 00:30:22,231 --> 00:30:22,633 LinkedIn. 619 00:30:22,633 --> 00:30:26,353 I would love to connect and share more thoughts about where 620 00:30:26,413 --> 00:30:30,025 the industry is headed and what we can do to grow the industry 621 00:30:30,105 --> 00:30:30,586 as a whole. 622 00:30:30,586 --> 00:30:32,333 And listenership that's a huge thing. 623 00:30:32,333 --> 00:30:32,994 That's on my mind. 624 00:30:32,994 --> 00:30:35,228 So, yeah, I'm excited to connect and thank you again so 625 00:30:35,268 --> 00:30:35,729 much, sam. 626 00:30:37,334 --> 00:30:37,675 Sam Sethi: Pleasure. 627 00:30:37,675 --> 00:30:42,005 James and I really wanted to reach out and you know help, so 628 00:30:42,205 --> 00:30:44,050 anything else we can do, just shout back. 629 00:30:44,050 --> 00:30:44,711 We're always there. 630 00:30:45,835 --> 00:30:46,375 Andreaa Coscai: Thank you. 631 00:30:46,375 --> 00:30:46,916 Thank you so much. 632 00:30:47,266 --> 00:30:48,971 Announcer: The Pub News Weekly Review. 633 00:30:48,971 --> 00:30:52,669 With Buzzsprout Podcast hosting made easy Right. 634 00:30:54,132 --> 00:30:55,634 Sam Sethi: Right Around the world, James. 635 00:30:55,634 --> 00:30:57,116 Let's start off with India. 636 00:30:57,116 --> 00:30:58,464 What's been happening over there, mate? 637 00:30:58,665 --> 00:30:59,909 James Cridland: What has been happening over there. 638 00:30:59,909 --> 00:31:03,974 Well, amazon Music held a big who Still going. 639 00:31:03,974 --> 00:31:07,633 Actually, amazon Music is really big in India. 640 00:31:07,633 --> 00:31:25,494 It is actually, I believe it's either the second or the third 641 00:31:25,515 --> 00:31:25,694 biggest. 642 00:31:25,694 --> 00:31:27,036 I think it's the second biggest podcast. 643 00:31:27,036 --> 00:31:27,957 It is actually, um. 644 00:31:27,957 --> 00:31:31,798 So, who knows, maybe maybe next year Amazon, maybe next year, 645 00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:36,102 um, but uh, good to end up seeing that uh pod the North 646 00:31:36,162 --> 00:31:38,969 ended up giving us uh, seven podcast recommendations for 647 00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:43,644 Canadian listeners, um, to help keep them informed and connected 648 00:31:43,644 --> 00:31:43,644 . 649 00:31:43,806 --> 00:31:45,932 Not that anything's going on in Canada right now. 650 00:31:45,932 --> 00:31:48,192 You know there's, no, there's nobody breathing down their neck 651 00:31:48,192 --> 00:31:51,190 saying we would like to own you , um, you know they've got good, 652 00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:52,213 strong leadership. 653 00:31:52,213 --> 00:32:04,750 Uh, um, um, uh, breathing down their neck saying we would like 654 00:32:04,770 --> 00:32:04,971 to own you. 655 00:32:04,971 --> 00:32:05,915 You know they've got good, strong leadership. 656 00:32:05,915 --> 00:32:07,323 Our friends at PodX seem to be doing a bunch of interesting 657 00:32:07,343 --> 00:32:07,463 things. 658 00:32:07,463 --> 00:32:16,290 They have their company, filt, has announced a reorganisation. 659 00:32:16,290 --> 00:32:17,857 They've done a little bit of sort of merging with a company 660 00:32:17,877 --> 00:32:19,144 that they own in Finland and they've launched across the 661 00:32:19,163 --> 00:32:20,810 Nordics, which is good. 662 00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:25,471 But they've also bought Arunda Studio, which is their second 663 00:32:25,510 --> 00:32:30,009 acquisition in Latin America, their first in Mexico and, yeah, 664 00:32:30,009 --> 00:32:33,630 it's a big podcast company there that they have bought. 665 00:32:33,630 --> 00:32:38,570 So PodX is still on the go. 666 00:32:38,570 --> 00:32:42,777 So many congratulations to them for their growth. 667 00:32:42,777 --> 00:32:44,880 What else is going on, sam? 668 00:32:45,306 --> 00:32:46,147 Sam Sethi: Talking about moving on. 669 00:32:46,147 --> 00:32:47,311 Is anyone moving on? 670 00:32:47,311 --> 00:32:48,715 Because let's talk about people in jobs. 671 00:32:48,715 --> 00:32:49,326 Where are they off? 672 00:32:49,326 --> 00:32:49,826 To James. 673 00:32:49,866 --> 00:32:53,253 James Cridland: Yes, well, so there's a few new jobs. 674 00:32:53,253 --> 00:32:56,728 Jonathan Pascoe, who's a jolly nice man, has joined UK 675 00:32:56,768 --> 00:32:59,434 production company Listen as executive producer. 676 00:32:59,434 --> 00:33:00,738 He's got a video background. 677 00:33:00,738 --> 00:33:03,811 He used to work at MTV and Comedy Central Before that, 678 00:33:03,852 --> 00:33:07,106 though, working on BBC Radio 2, on the Chris Evans Bradford Show 679 00:33:07,106 --> 00:33:13,037 , I think, and on Heart with Jamie and Harriet, I think all 680 00:33:13,057 --> 00:33:14,559 the way back then, perhaps. 681 00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:19,008 Anyway, jonathan, now working at Listen, listen very excited 682 00:33:19,048 --> 00:33:22,385 about what they call a visualised podcast, but given 683 00:33:22,426 --> 00:33:25,034 that it's not available on podcast platforms, I don't call 684 00:33:25,074 --> 00:33:25,273 it that. 685 00:33:25,273 --> 00:33:26,277 I call it a TV show. 686 00:33:26,277 --> 00:33:28,151 But many congratulations, listen. 687 00:33:29,626 --> 00:33:30,349 What else has gone on? 688 00:33:30,349 --> 00:33:34,015 Stephen TVO Holgren he's a very clever man. 689 00:33:34,015 --> 00:33:38,215 I saw him at a podcast movement in Washington DC last year. 690 00:33:38,215 --> 00:33:43,134 He was working as a part-time CTO, or as a fractional CTO, as 691 00:33:43,174 --> 00:33:44,798 everybody calls part-time these days. 692 00:33:44,798 --> 00:33:47,873 Anyway, he's now joined as a full-time chief technology 693 00:33:47,932 --> 00:33:49,016 officer for the company. 694 00:33:49,016 --> 00:33:51,232 So many congratulations to him. 695 00:33:51,232 --> 00:33:54,932 Ryan Morrison, who's worthwhile following on the socials. 696 00:33:54,932 --> 00:33:57,182 He used to be a BBC News tech journalist. 697 00:33:57,182 --> 00:34:00,931 He's now working at a content editor at Eleven Labs, the voice 698 00:34:00,931 --> 00:34:03,076 and AI company. 699 00:34:03,076 --> 00:34:07,305 And some sad news out of the US . 700 00:34:07,305 --> 00:34:14,155 Gary Krantz, who you may know as someone who was helping run 701 00:34:14,257 --> 00:34:16,059 podcast radio in the US. 702 00:34:16,059 --> 00:34:19,791 He also worked with me on our acquisition of the podcast 703 00:34:19,831 --> 00:34:20,554 Business Journal. 704 00:34:20,554 --> 00:34:23,079 He has died. 705 00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:25,853 He had a long history of being in the radio business. 706 00:34:25,853 --> 00:34:28,291 Obviously, our hearts go out to his family. 707 00:34:28,291 --> 00:34:29,355 He was just 65. 708 00:34:29,355 --> 00:34:35,856 In terms of other things, lots of layoffs at SiriusXM. 709 00:34:35,856 --> 00:34:36,677 Sam. 710 00:34:37,137 --> 00:34:37,739 Sam Sethi: Very serious. 711 00:34:37,739 --> 00:34:41,092 I see what you did there. 712 00:34:41,092 --> 00:34:44,992 Yes, I'll get my coat Right. 713 00:34:44,992 --> 00:34:46,960 Why are they doing that, james? 714 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,166 Because it seems that they're doing fairly well. 715 00:34:49,166 --> 00:34:52,434 I mean, alex Cooper we call her daddy's moved over there and 716 00:34:52,673 --> 00:34:54,378 they seem to be acquiring podcasts. 717 00:34:54,378 --> 00:34:55,731 I mean, they paid what was it? 718 00:34:55,731 --> 00:34:58,775 Two hundred twenty five million to get her over. 719 00:34:58,775 --> 00:35:01,050 So they've got the money. 720 00:35:01,050 --> 00:35:02,769 So what is this? 721 00:35:02,769 --> 00:35:03,251 Is this DEI? 722 00:35:05,365 --> 00:35:08,074 James Cridland: They do seem to be going relatively well. 723 00:35:08,074 --> 00:35:15,826 Having said that, sirius XM as a whole relatively well. 724 00:35:15,826 --> 00:35:17,108 Having said that SiriusXM as a whole, you know, I mean it leans 725 00:35:17,108 --> 00:35:20,954 a lot on its broadcast, because it does broadcast satellite 726 00:35:21,273 --> 00:35:26,387 radio leans a lot on its in-car stuff. 727 00:35:26,387 --> 00:35:29,972 That's where it earns a lot of its money and all of that bit 728 00:35:30,094 --> 00:35:31,715 isn't working so well for them. 729 00:35:31,715 --> 00:35:37,492 But I think it does point to the size of the company. 730 00:35:37,492 --> 00:35:43,128 A hundred people have been laid off at SiriusXM, which is 2% of 731 00:35:43,128 --> 00:35:46,219 the workforce, just 2% of the workforce. 732 00:35:46,219 --> 00:35:49,407 They've got a lot of people working at that company. 733 00:35:50,588 --> 00:35:56,097 So yeah, I mean, earwolf has been looking as if it's been 734 00:35:56,157 --> 00:35:57,465 dying for a long time. 735 00:35:57,465 --> 00:35:59,429 That's their comedy podcast network. 736 00:35:59,429 --> 00:36:02,737 Amelia Chappellow, who was executive producer at Earwolf, 737 00:36:03,425 --> 00:36:08,240 is one of those who's been laid off, and so I would expect the 738 00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:12,110 Earwolf name to continue to slowly go away. 739 00:36:12,110 --> 00:36:16,105 But yeah, they did make an interesting change though, 740 00:36:16,126 --> 00:36:16,545 didn't they? 741 00:36:16,545 --> 00:36:20,554 Over the week, apparently, they've pulled their video 742 00:36:20,574 --> 00:36:23,746 versions of Call Her Daddy from Spotify. 743 00:36:23,746 --> 00:36:29,394 So if you want to watch the video of Call Her Daddy, you can 744 00:36:29,394 --> 00:36:35,873 watch it on YouTube now and the SiriusXM app, but if you're on 745 00:36:35,972 --> 00:36:38,271 Spotify, you only get the audio version now, which is 746 00:36:38,311 --> 00:36:38,632 interesting. 747 00:36:38,905 --> 00:36:41,400 Sam Sethi: Ashley Cooper's got her own network called Unwell 748 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,431 Network, and she's also done that with other shows. 749 00:36:43,431 --> 00:36:48,233 So Hot Mess and Pretty Lonesome , whatever shows that I clearly 750 00:36:48,273 --> 00:36:52,695 have not watched and, yes, she's moved those all over to YouTube 751 00:36:52,695 --> 00:36:52,695 . 752 00:36:52,695 --> 00:36:54,630 So there, yeah, well, there you go. 753 00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:56,972 Didn't like Spotify's exclusive anyway. 754 00:36:56,972 --> 00:36:58,324 Didn't like Spotify too much. 755 00:36:59,347 --> 00:37:01,795 James Cridland: Yeah, I wonder whether or not part of it is 756 00:37:01,934 --> 00:37:05,289 that they've been earning quite a lot of money from the audio 757 00:37:05,329 --> 00:37:09,164 version and, of course, as soon as you upload a video version 758 00:37:09,264 --> 00:37:18,967 onto Spotify, that overwrites the audio, so it actually makes 759 00:37:18,987 --> 00:37:19,949 it harder for them to to monetize. 760 00:37:20,009 --> 00:37:21,152 Sam Sethi: I don't know, but, um , that might be one of one of 761 00:37:21,172 --> 00:37:22,856 the reasons perhaps, but um still or the other reason being 762 00:37:22,876 --> 00:37:25,608 they have no idea, like the whole of the industry, as to how 763 00:37:25,608 --> 00:37:26,610 much you make with video. 764 00:37:26,610 --> 00:37:28,356 Yet come on, spotify, release the numbers. 765 00:37:28,376 --> 00:37:30,891 James Cridland: Well, yes, um, there is uh always that. 766 00:37:30,891 --> 00:37:33,905 Well, uh, yes, it's possibly not for Spotify to release, but 767 00:37:33,925 --> 00:37:36,492 I'm sure that one of the partners will release some of 768 00:37:36,512 --> 00:37:39,331 that data in the next couple of months. 769 00:37:39,371 --> 00:37:42,512 Sam Sethi: No, no no, I mean not how much have you been consumed 770 00:37:42,512 --> 00:37:43,355 , how much you make? 771 00:37:43,355 --> 00:37:46,282 Well, yes, is it all those questions we've had in a couple 772 00:37:46,302 --> 00:37:46,844 of weeks, you know? 773 00:37:46,844 --> 00:37:48,527 Is it 0.00001p per video? 774 00:37:48,527 --> 00:37:50,490 0.00001p per video? 775 00:37:50,490 --> 00:37:51,391 What are you making? 776 00:37:51,793 --> 00:37:55,918 James Cridland: Well, and also SiriusXM has signed the Fantasy 777 00:37:55,978 --> 00:37:56,519 Footballers. 778 00:37:56,519 --> 00:38:02,307 Again, that's a set of individual podcasts. 779 00:38:02,307 --> 00:38:06,536 Now, the Fantasy Footballers in 2020, they were with SiriusXM. 780 00:38:06,536 --> 00:38:10,436 In 2021, they moved to Audioboom. 781 00:38:10,436 --> 00:38:15,014 In 2022, they moved to Spotify and here we are, 2025, and 782 00:38:15,034 --> 00:38:17,047 they're back at SiriusXM. 783 00:38:17,047 --> 00:38:24,583 The show once had a live show on Spotify's Green Room, if you 784 00:38:24,603 --> 00:38:26,106 can remember that far back. 785 00:38:26,106 --> 00:38:30,139 But they're going to have a live show again on one of the 786 00:38:30,338 --> 00:38:32,164 SiriusXM live channels. 787 00:38:32,164 --> 00:38:34,188 But they're going to have a live show again on one of the 788 00:38:34,208 --> 00:38:34,670 SiriusXM live channels. 789 00:38:34,670 --> 00:38:37,416 So you know, siriusxm still doing the deals, which is always 790 00:38:37,416 --> 00:38:38,398 interesting to end up seeing. 791 00:38:38,398 --> 00:38:45,320 Is this where we announce our deal with SiriusXM or do we keep 792 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,364 that till next week? 793 00:38:46,364 --> 00:38:49,851 We might keep that until, I mean, for somebody saying, spill 794 00:38:49,851 --> 00:38:52,516 the beans of a deal that we've got Sam Sethi. 795 00:38:52,516 --> 00:38:54,139 Ah, yes, I'm surprised. 796 00:38:54,139 --> 00:38:57,898 Oh, moving on, moving on. 797 00:38:57,978 --> 00:38:58,963 Announcer: The Tech Stuff. 798 00:38:58,963 --> 00:39:01,572 Tech Stuff On the Pod News Weekly Review. 799 00:39:02,344 --> 00:39:04,010 James Cridland: Yes, it's the stuff you'll find every Monday 800 00:39:04,030 --> 00:39:05,034 in the Pod News newsletter. 801 00:39:05,034 --> 00:39:08,014 Here's where Sam talks technology, even more so than 802 00:39:08,054 --> 00:39:08,815 he's been doing already. 803 00:39:11,246 --> 00:39:11,969 Sam Sethi: Sam, what have you got? 804 00:39:11,969 --> 00:39:13,552 No Spotify so far. 805 00:39:13,552 --> 00:39:14,615 There we go. 806 00:39:14,615 --> 00:39:17,266 Yes, yeah, feedback to everybody who's given us 807 00:39:18,231 --> 00:39:19,134 critical feedback. 808 00:39:19,134 --> 00:39:22,391 I was going to say criticism, critical feedback, saying yes, 809 00:39:22,605 --> 00:39:25,005 now we're saving that for this bit, right at the end, so you 810 00:39:25,045 --> 00:39:28,436 can tune out, use chapters, we have them Right. 811 00:39:28,436 --> 00:39:33,213 Podcast Vibes is a piece of research from Yuri Vyshensky. 812 00:39:33,213 --> 00:39:36,688 I'll go through that very fast so no one knows I got that wrong 813 00:39:36,688 --> 00:39:36,688 . 814 00:39:36,688 --> 00:39:41,322 He's using AI to extract subjects and emotions from 815 00:39:41,483 --> 00:39:42,206 individual shows. 816 00:39:42,206 --> 00:39:42,987 Tell me more, james. 817 00:39:43,708 --> 00:39:44,972 James Cridland: I think this is really cool. 818 00:39:44,972 --> 00:39:50,630 So he has basically worked out from my point of view, he has 819 00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:55,226 worked out using AI, not just what someone is saying, but the 820 00:39:55,367 --> 00:39:56,568 emotion that they have. 821 00:39:56,568 --> 00:40:01,559 Is it sarcasm, is it laughter, is it humour, is it nervousness? 822 00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:08,175 So he's worked out all of the emotion alongside the words that 823 00:40:08,175 --> 00:40:08,858 have been said. 824 00:40:08,858 --> 00:40:13,695 And I think if you were to have a look at brand suitability 825 00:40:13,735 --> 00:40:17,393 scores, for example, actually using emotion is a hugely 826 00:40:17,432 --> 00:40:20,427 important part of that, because if you can work out oh well, 827 00:40:20,527 --> 00:40:24,601 actually, when that person said that they were being sarcastic, 828 00:40:25,103 --> 00:40:27,610 for example, then that changes completely, can? 829 00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:29,014 Sam Sethi: it work out, sarcasm. 830 00:40:30,246 --> 00:40:32,652 James Cridland: Well, can it work out sarcasm, but it looked 831 00:40:32,793 --> 00:40:36,492 pretty impressive, so yeah, so we linked to that. 832 00:40:36,492 --> 00:40:38,197 This week. 833 00:40:38,197 --> 00:40:41,655 We also linked to PodOps, which has added a product called AI 834 00:40:41,695 --> 00:40:45,195 Blog, which is a new feature to turn audio into written articles 835 00:40:45,195 --> 00:40:48,193 , just like you've had with Buzzsprout, our sponsor, for the 836 00:40:48,193 --> 00:40:48,956 last year and a half. 837 00:40:48,956 --> 00:40:54,476 So congratulations to PodOps for that. 838 00:40:54,476 --> 00:40:58,115 Yes, that's one of the things that co-host allows you to do. 839 00:40:58,115 --> 00:41:01,369 It will take the transcript of your show and it will write a 840 00:41:01,429 --> 00:41:03,807 blog post, if you want that, which you can then copy and 841 00:41:03,847 --> 00:41:05,994 paste onto your own blog. 842 00:41:05,994 --> 00:41:09,393 So you can check that out, obviously, at buzzsproutcom. 843 00:41:09,393 --> 00:41:12,052 String Bean Radio. 844 00:41:12,052 --> 00:41:14,110 What's Stringbean Radio? 845 00:41:14,452 --> 00:41:17,693 Sam Sethi: Sam, I'm not too sure , but when I looked at the link, 846 00:41:17,693 --> 00:41:22,077 it was a website which basically uploads the audio, 847 00:41:22,764 --> 00:41:26,596 reads the audio to try and find if you've been a guest on a show 848 00:41:26,596 --> 00:41:32,414 , and it caught Lex Friedman on 104 shows and Marco Arment on 88 849 00:41:32,414 --> 00:41:32,675 shows. 850 00:41:32,675 --> 00:41:34,878 Gosh, that's what Marco does, right? 851 00:41:35,985 --> 00:41:39,273 I wonder what he does it's amazing Right I haven't even 852 00:41:39,313 --> 00:41:43,811 done 88 shows, I think no, anyway, but it looks very good, 853 00:41:44,012 --> 00:41:46,681 except it's very light in data, because I looked for James 854 00:41:46,722 --> 00:41:49,489 Gridland and there was not a lot there of James Gridland, which 855 00:41:49,530 --> 00:41:50,512 I was quite surprised about. 856 00:41:50,512 --> 00:41:52,838 And the UI is pretty cool. 857 00:41:52,838 --> 00:41:56,094 What they're trying to do is find where you've been a guest 858 00:41:56,224 --> 00:41:57,992 or where you've been not obviously a host. 859 00:41:57,992 --> 00:42:01,856 And this is very similar to what Russell Harrow did at Pod 2 860 00:42:01,856 --> 00:42:05,235 , which was to come up with a product he called Pod ID. 861 00:42:05,235 --> 00:42:07,831 He's in the process of completing that. 862 00:42:07,831 --> 00:42:09,652 Now he's bought a new NVIDIA card. 863 00:42:10,065 --> 00:42:12,673 They're helping with transcripts , so, um, we'll see if that 864 00:42:13,106 --> 00:42:13,387 helps. 865 00:42:13,387 --> 00:42:17,278 But yeah, again, I think it's quite good for discovery if you 866 00:42:17,318 --> 00:42:21,108 can find out where people it's a bit like a human pod role, 867 00:42:21,248 --> 00:42:25,358 that's the best I can describe it um, where's james been on 868 00:42:25,478 --> 00:42:26,847 which shows as a guest? 869 00:42:26,847 --> 00:42:30,115 Because I like james cridland and I therefore want to find out 870 00:42:30,115 --> 00:42:32,170 what else he says on other people's shows. 871 00:42:32,170 --> 00:42:38,065 Now, that's not easy to do. 872 00:42:38,065 --> 00:42:39,449 So these types of services Stringbean Radio, which I don't 873 00:42:39,469 --> 00:42:42,114 know why it's called that, and PodID are examples of looking at 874 00:42:42,114 --> 00:42:45,869 the transcripts, finding the names, aggregating that together 875 00:42:45,869 --> 00:42:48,682 in some sort of UI, which then I can then follow that 876 00:42:48,742 --> 00:42:52,414 individual and then get alerted when the next time you're a 877 00:42:52,454 --> 00:42:54,490 guest on another show that I wasn't aware of yes. 878 00:42:54,913 --> 00:42:56,217 James Cridland: So yeah, I know it's um. 879 00:42:56,217 --> 00:43:00,251 Yeah, I mean, you can achieve quite a lot of this with the um, 880 00:43:00,251 --> 00:43:03,641 with the podcast people tag, uh , of course. 881 00:43:03,641 --> 00:43:06,507 But the podcast people tag has a problem that you don't 882 00:43:06,568 --> 00:43:08,811 necessarily know that the James Cridland who was on this 883 00:43:08,851 --> 00:43:11,056 particular show is the same James Cridland as the James 884 00:43:11,076 --> 00:43:12,980 Cridland that was on that particular show. 885 00:43:12,980 --> 00:43:16,934 I mean, in my case it probably will be because of my relatively 886 00:43:16,934 --> 00:43:17,617 unusual name. 887 00:43:17,617 --> 00:43:23,329 But if you're called Dave Jones , no chance, you know so that's. 888 00:43:23,824 --> 00:43:27,813 Sam Sethi: But having said that, buzzsprout updated the person 889 00:43:27,853 --> 00:43:34,452 tag for us as a hosting company, you can now tag guests in 890 00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:38,309 episodes correctly as a guest using the person tag. 891 00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:41,297 And again, hello podcast industry. 892 00:43:41,297 --> 00:43:42,682 Where's everyone else doing it? 893 00:43:42,682 --> 00:43:44,728 Why aren't we having those things done? 894 00:43:44,728 --> 00:43:46,253 They're super simple to implement. 895 00:43:46,253 --> 00:43:47,235 Why can't we do it? 896 00:43:47,264 --> 00:43:50,472 James Cridland: Well, yes, indeed, talking about podcast 897 00:43:50,532 --> 00:43:54,246 hosting companies, rsscom, which I'm an advisor to they've 898 00:43:54,266 --> 00:43:57,574 launched it says here a set of tweaks and updates, including a 899 00:43:57,634 --> 00:44:01,990 web player that now has iOS Dynamic Island Support, which is 900 00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:03,474 very exciting. 901 00:44:03,474 --> 00:44:06,987 I instantly looked at that and I thought Dynamic Island Support 902 00:44:06,987 --> 00:44:07,748 , that looks amazing. 903 00:44:07,748 --> 00:44:11,885 I should make sure that I'm doing that for the PodNews 904 00:44:11,905 --> 00:44:12,976 website as well, but I think I'm already doing it. 905 00:44:12,976 --> 00:44:14,867 I think that for the PodNews website as well, but I think I'm 906 00:44:14,867 --> 00:44:15,550 already doing it. 907 00:44:15,550 --> 00:44:16,831 I think that's the media. 908 00:44:16,831 --> 00:44:18,389 Isn't that just the media API? 909 00:44:18,389 --> 00:44:19,994 I'm not sure. 910 00:44:20,065 --> 00:44:23,192 Sam Sethi: I think it's that little black thing at the top of 911 00:44:23,192 --> 00:44:25,797 your fancy iPhone that plays what's going on. 912 00:44:26,277 --> 00:44:29,449 James Cridland: Yes, and I think as long as you support the 913 00:44:29,489 --> 00:44:36,380 media web API, then I think that it supports that automatically 914 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,072 free, but I'd like to learn a little bit more about that. 915 00:44:39,072 --> 00:44:39,634 So that's good. 916 00:44:39,634 --> 00:44:43,295 They also have what they call improved Podroll support. 917 00:44:43,295 --> 00:44:45,530 I have no idea how it's been improved, but nevertheless, 918 00:44:46,612 --> 00:44:48,418 support for Podroll is a brilliant thing. 919 00:44:48,418 --> 00:44:50,952 If there's one thing I would like everybody to be doing by 920 00:44:50,972 --> 00:44:53,574 the end of the year, it's Podroll, because it's super 921 00:44:53,594 --> 00:44:56,251 simple, super easy and it will grow the industry. 922 00:44:56,405 --> 00:44:59,327 Sam Sethi: I mean, it's a super obvious thing They'd be giving 923 00:44:59,367 --> 00:45:01,134 up on trying to rename it to recommend now. 924 00:45:04,030 --> 00:45:05,976 James Cridland: I well have I cared about that in the past. 925 00:45:06,757 --> 00:45:07,097 Sam Sethi: I don't know. 926 00:45:07,097 --> 00:45:09,346 I think a few people have They've gone. 927 00:45:09,346 --> 00:45:10,967 Oh, I don't like the name Podroll. 928 00:45:10,967 --> 00:45:11,807 It doesn't mean anything, I mean. 929 00:45:11,827 --> 00:45:15,210 James Cridland: I think the name Podroll is awful and it should 930 00:45:15,251 --> 00:45:17,932 never exist in UX at all. 931 00:45:17,932 --> 00:45:21,476 But yeah, but I'm not so sure about that. 932 00:45:21,476 --> 00:45:24,318 Anyway, that's what's going on. 933 00:45:24,318 --> 00:45:29,521 Excitement with Descript and with Riverside and all of these 934 00:45:29,561 --> 00:45:29,742 things. 935 00:45:29,742 --> 00:45:30,644 What's going on with those? 936 00:45:30,786 --> 00:45:33,132 Sam Sethi: Well, Descript have announced that they've extended 937 00:45:33,152 --> 00:45:35,197 their language dubbing to 20 languages now. 938 00:45:35,197 --> 00:45:39,079 So if you've got a video and you want to then put it into a 939 00:45:39,201 --> 00:45:41,985 different language and you don't ask your guest to redo anything 940 00:45:41,985 --> 00:45:46,728 , you can now put your guest into a Danish or Greek or Hindi 941 00:45:46,768 --> 00:45:48,894 or whatever you want and push that out. 942 00:45:48,894 --> 00:45:50,972 So it's quite a nice little feature. 943 00:45:50,972 --> 00:45:55,114 It's very simple to use within the video element of Descript. 944 00:45:55,114 --> 00:45:56,096 So congratulations. 945 00:45:56,096 --> 00:45:59,751 If you want to see it working, they have a live session on 946 00:45:59,831 --> 00:46:00,554 February the 4th. 947 00:46:00,554 --> 00:46:04,572 You can sign up on Descript and they're going to do a demo of 948 00:46:04,592 --> 00:46:04,753 that. 949 00:46:05,565 --> 00:46:09,632 Now Riverside, I found I was just hunting around and I hadn't 950 00:46:09,632 --> 00:46:13,072 noticed that Riverside had fundamentally morphed into 951 00:46:13,132 --> 00:46:17,233 StreamYard, or StreamYard's been swallowed by Riverside. 952 00:46:17,233 --> 00:46:19,246 I don't know which way you want to look at it, but they've 953 00:46:19,608 --> 00:46:23,385 basically added live broadcasting to Riverside. 954 00:46:23,385 --> 00:46:27,634 Now we used to use Riverside and it was great. 955 00:46:27,634 --> 00:46:28,476 It does 4K. 956 00:46:28,476 --> 00:46:30,019 It's very similar to Squadcast. 957 00:46:30,019 --> 00:46:33,585 So you know, pick your, pick your um various platform. 958 00:46:34,327 --> 00:46:38,074 But now you can do things like live broadcasting to facebook or 959 00:46:38,074 --> 00:46:40,987 twitch or youtube or linkedin, which is what I meant by uh 960 00:46:41,047 --> 00:46:41,568 streamyard. 961 00:46:41,568 --> 00:46:44,315 It's taken all that functionality one click straight 962 00:46:44,315 --> 00:46:48,909 into any of those platforms and , of course, they use uh rtmp 963 00:46:49,090 --> 00:46:53,538 real-time media player protocol, sorry, and that means that you 964 00:46:53,777 --> 00:46:58,793 might be able to take a URL and put it into the live item tags. 965 00:46:58,793 --> 00:47:00,757 I'm going to try and test that and see if that works. 966 00:47:00,757 --> 00:47:04,952 Good news I reached out to Kendall, who is their community 967 00:47:05,474 --> 00:47:08,608 manager at Riverside, and she'll be on the show next week to 968 00:47:08,648 --> 00:47:10,652 talk all about what they've actually done. 969 00:47:10,652 --> 00:47:12,978 So you don't have to listen to me surmise. 970 00:47:12,978 --> 00:47:16,833 And also good news they're going to be a sponsor for 971 00:47:17,295 --> 00:47:21,728 PodCamp 2.0, the event I'm running in London, and we will 972 00:47:21,768 --> 00:47:26,126 be using Riverside to broadcast live to all those platforms as 973 00:47:26,166 --> 00:47:27,913 well as podcasting 2.0 apps. 974 00:47:28,545 --> 00:47:30,413 James Cridland: So that's what we're planning to do Very cool, 975 00:47:31,105 --> 00:47:31,585 very cool. 976 00:47:31,585 --> 00:47:34,530 So tell us about PodCamp 2.0. 977 00:47:34,530 --> 00:47:39,778 Last week, I seem to remember that you dangled a big 978 00:47:39,818 --> 00:47:43,375 announcement that you weren't quite able to make in front of 979 00:47:43,414 --> 00:47:44,056 us last week. 980 00:47:44,056 --> 00:47:46,023 Is that still? 981 00:47:46,043 --> 00:47:46,224 Sam Sethi: the case. 982 00:47:46,224 --> 00:47:50,210 Yeah, God, I can send you the email which was from the people 983 00:47:50,251 --> 00:47:50,711 concerned. 984 00:47:50,711 --> 00:47:52,034 We'll let you know on Monday. 985 00:47:52,034 --> 00:47:53,255 Where were we now? 986 00:47:53,255 --> 00:47:54,858 Yeah, Monday's gone. 987 00:47:54,858 --> 00:48:00,992 Hello, Can't announce things, Can't announce it. 988 00:48:00,992 --> 00:48:04,938 But yes, hopefully I pray that one or both of them can make it. 989 00:48:04,958 --> 00:48:10,425 James Cridland: It would be wonderful if they can, some 990 00:48:10,445 --> 00:48:12,572 exciting things planned there. 991 00:48:12,572 --> 00:48:14,016 So podcamplive, is that where you? 992 00:48:14,056 --> 00:48:15,568 Sam Sethi: go yeah, podcamplive. 993 00:48:15,568 --> 00:48:19,336 And it's on the 2.0 day, 20th of May, Very good. 994 00:48:20,565 --> 00:48:23,454 James Cridland: Looking forward to seeing you there. 995 00:48:23,454 --> 00:48:26,793 I have sorted out flights and everything over the last week, 996 00:48:27,565 --> 00:48:28,648 so that's good too. 997 00:48:28,648 --> 00:48:33,293 Yes, now we haven't talked enough about Spotify yet. 998 00:48:33,293 --> 00:48:36,811 I don't think I can see that there's going to be some people 999 00:48:37,134 --> 00:48:41,175 complaining why hasn't Sam talked about Spotify yet? 1000 00:48:41,175 --> 00:48:46,152 I'm imagining that one of Spotify's 47 different PR 1001 00:48:46,213 --> 00:48:48,396 companies will be going. 1002 00:48:48,396 --> 00:48:50,880 Oh, you know what's going on here. 1003 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,289 Is there any information at all that you can share with us in 1004 00:48:53,260 --> 00:48:53,561 terms of Spotify? 1005 00:48:53,561 --> 00:48:53,641 No, what? 1006 00:48:53,641 --> 00:48:54,244 What's going on here, um is, is there any, any information at 1007 00:48:54,215 --> 00:48:56,356 all that you can share with us in terms of spotify? 1008 00:48:56,376 --> 00:49:02,782 Sam Sethi: let's move on um, no, they look, uh, spotify for for 1009 00:49:03,105 --> 00:49:06,994 everything that we, as we say, are proprietary, they actually 1010 00:49:07,195 --> 00:49:09,061 execute hello, apple, hello. 1011 00:49:09,061 --> 00:49:12,411 Um, we would talk about apple and amazon if they actually did 1012 00:49:12,472 --> 00:49:13,485 something, but they don't. 1013 00:49:13,485 --> 00:49:18,679 Now, uh, spotify've added gamification and badges, so 1014 00:49:18,739 --> 00:49:22,889 they've introduced the creator milestone award, which is a way 1015 00:49:22,929 --> 00:49:27,019 of saying people who do what 500 million all-time streams, or 1016 00:49:27,059 --> 00:49:30,989 maybe, uh, 250 million or 100 million, which is their bronze 1017 00:49:31,010 --> 00:49:31,751 bronze level. 1018 00:49:31,751 --> 00:49:35,268 So who's qualifying for these all-time awards then? 1019 00:49:35,268 --> 00:49:35,568 James? 1020 00:49:36,009 --> 00:49:38,795 James Cridland: I mean, it's the YouTube thing, isn't it? 1021 00:49:38,795 --> 00:49:41,833 You get sent a nice plaque from YouTube if you hit a certain 1022 00:49:41,873 --> 00:49:42,175 number. 1023 00:49:42,175 --> 00:49:42,958 And now guess what? 1024 00:49:42,958 --> 00:49:46,568 You get sent a nice plaque from Spotify because Spotify want to 1025 00:49:46,568 --> 00:49:47,650 be the next YouTube. 1026 00:49:47,650 --> 00:49:51,896 So you know why not, not? 1027 00:49:51,896 --> 00:49:54,259 But in terms of that, yeah. 1028 00:49:54,259 --> 00:49:58,706 So in terms of gold, obviously, joe Rogan, crime junkie, 1029 00:49:58,786 --> 00:50:04,181 armchair expert last podcast on the left, but interestingly, two 1030 00:50:04,181 --> 00:50:08,509 German podcasts have also been awarded the gold thing. 1031 00:50:08,570 --> 00:50:13,297 That's 500 million plus lifetime streams, and I looked at one of 1032 00:50:13,297 --> 00:50:19,534 those, gemichteshack, which has 285 episodes, which therefore 1033 00:50:19,594 --> 00:50:22,929 means that if you do the math, then either they've taken an 1034 00:50:22,989 --> 00:50:26,507 awful lot of episodes out, which might be true, or each one of 1035 00:50:26,547 --> 00:50:30,516 those episodes has been played an average of 1.7 million times 1036 00:50:30,617 --> 00:50:31,518 just on Spotify. 1037 00:50:31,518 --> 00:50:37,128 Played an average of 1.7 million times just on Spotify. 1038 00:50:37,128 --> 00:50:37,771 And those are all in German. 1039 00:50:37,771 --> 00:50:39,675 There are only 120 million native German speakers in the 1040 00:50:39,695 --> 00:50:39,795 world. 1041 00:50:39,795 --> 00:50:41,541 That is an incredible podcast. 1042 00:50:41,541 --> 00:50:45,652 Now, they were exclusive on Spotify for quite some time and 1043 00:50:45,733 --> 00:50:48,358 may even still be exclusive. 1044 00:50:48,358 --> 00:50:51,713 I don't think they are anymore, but I know thatify does still 1045 00:50:51,773 --> 00:50:55,009 have exclusives in other countries, not just in the us, 1046 00:50:55,449 --> 00:51:01,585 um, but uh, yeah, that's a big old show 1.7 million plays, um 1047 00:51:02,146 --> 00:51:03,248 yeah, no, that is a lot. 1048 00:51:03,487 --> 00:51:06,210 Sam Sethi: I mean we're close, but that is a lot, we're close. 1049 00:51:06,291 --> 00:51:07,632 James Cridland: Uh, dear listener, you Close. 1050 00:51:07,632 --> 00:51:13,119 Dear listener, you can go and have a look at our numbers if 1051 00:51:13,139 --> 00:51:20,188 you wish, on the OP3 platform, yes, and it's interesting as 1052 00:51:20,228 --> 00:51:24,893 well that on the bronze one, which has 83 people who've won 1053 00:51:25,014 --> 00:51:27,597 awards so far, that's for 100 million lifetime streams. 1054 00:51:27,597 --> 00:51:31,181 Lifetime streams except if you're in an emerging market, 1055 00:51:31,260 --> 00:51:38,068 whatever one of those is when you get bronze after just 50 1056 00:51:38,088 --> 00:51:39,335 million lifetime streams, which I think is actually rather a 1057 00:51:39,355 --> 00:51:39,536 good idea. 1058 00:51:39,536 --> 00:51:41,244 I've no idea what classifies as an emerging market, but I think 1059 00:51:41,244 --> 00:51:42,347 that they're doing a good job here. 1060 00:51:43,168 --> 00:51:45,755 Sam Sethi: Yeah, what's interesting they also put out, 1061 00:51:45,795 --> 00:51:48,509 though, when you compare it to some of the biggest music 1062 00:51:48,628 --> 00:51:53,784 artists, like Taylor Swift, which is at 26.6 billion streams 1063 00:51:53,784 --> 00:51:53,784 . 1064 00:51:53,983 --> 00:51:54,125 James Cridland: Yeah. 1065 00:51:54,626 --> 00:51:55,989 Sam Sethi: Yeah, we have a long way to go still. 1066 00:51:56,291 --> 00:51:58,317 James Cridland: Oh, yes, no, absolutely, absolutely. 1067 00:51:58,317 --> 00:52:02,755 So, yes, that's all going on. 1068 00:52:02,755 --> 00:52:05,172 What else is Spotify doing then ? 1069 00:52:06,045 --> 00:52:09,532 Sam Sethi: Yeah, this is a weird one Some new UI spots that 1070 00:52:09,572 --> 00:52:12,413 we've found Download to other devices. 1071 00:52:12,413 --> 00:52:15,688 I don't know what other devices would be, but they've added a 1072 00:52:15,708 --> 00:52:17,311 new download to this device. 1073 00:52:17,311 --> 00:52:18,896 Download to other devices. 1074 00:52:18,896 --> 00:52:24,271 So can I now share my spotify podcast, audio books and music 1075 00:52:24,311 --> 00:52:28,255 tracks to you, james, or is it just within my family family 1076 00:52:28,275 --> 00:52:28,456 network? 1077 00:52:29,036 --> 00:52:30,898 James Cridland: I think this is um. 1078 00:52:30,898 --> 00:52:35,706 If I wanted to looking at the um, at the UX, um, I would guess 1079 00:52:35,706 --> 00:52:40,112 that I really like the idea of this podcast. 1080 00:52:40,112 --> 00:52:45,166 I'm here surfing on my iPad in the house, Um, but I actually 1081 00:52:45,206 --> 00:52:48,556 want my car to download that, please, so that when I next jump 1082 00:52:48,556 --> 00:52:51,010 in the car, um, it's already downloaded. 1083 00:52:51,010 --> 00:52:52,795 I bet no one uses it at all. 1084 00:52:54,565 --> 00:52:57,715 Sam Sethi: Well, like jam, they're jam sessions, yeah. 1085 00:52:57,905 --> 00:52:58,927 James Cridland: Well, yeah, I mean. 1086 00:52:58,927 --> 00:53:04,858 So I have used this sort of thing on YouTube, because on 1087 00:53:04,898 --> 00:53:09,030 YouTube, what you can do is you can ask for a playlist to be 1088 00:53:09,090 --> 00:53:13,237 downloaded automatically if you pay for YouTube, and so I've 1089 00:53:13,378 --> 00:53:17,731 asked it to automatically download my playlist. 1090 00:53:17,731 --> 00:53:18,713 What's the playlist? 1091 00:53:18,713 --> 00:53:19,034 Called? 1092 00:53:19,034 --> 00:53:24,110 Watchlist or you know, yeah, whatever it's called, the one 1093 00:53:24,391 --> 00:53:27,384 that basically the standard playlist that you have for 1094 00:53:27,423 --> 00:53:29,949 something that you want to watch at some point, but you don't 1095 00:53:29,969 --> 00:53:30,891 want to watch it quite yet. 1096 00:53:32,233 --> 00:53:37,382 So I now, when I'm using YouTube , there are often shows that are 1097 00:53:37,382 --> 00:53:40,329 about 40 minutes long that I really want to watch, but I 1098 00:53:40,369 --> 00:53:41,873 don't have the time to watch them right now. 1099 00:53:41,873 --> 00:53:45,492 So I will add them to my watch list and I know that my iPad at 1100 00:53:45,532 --> 00:53:48,605 the moment and it'll be my phone very shortly will automatically 1101 00:53:48,605 --> 00:53:52,896 download those, so that I know that when I then jump on an 1102 00:53:52,956 --> 00:53:57,615 aeroplane, I've got a bunch of shows to watch and I don't have 1103 00:53:57,655 --> 00:54:02,007 to sit there, you know, the day before I fly and work out what 1104 00:54:02,067 --> 00:54:03,871 it is that I'm going to actually download. 1105 00:54:03,871 --> 00:54:05,655 So that's quite useful, I think . 1106 00:54:05,655 --> 00:54:09,331 So, yeah, I can see that being useful, but it's a very niche 1107 00:54:10,235 --> 00:54:10,514 thing. 1108 00:54:10,514 --> 00:54:14,125 I mean, certainly I wouldn't have coded it that way. 1109 00:54:14,125 --> 00:54:15,027 I'd have just coded it. 1110 00:54:15,027 --> 00:54:19,898 As you know, if you want to download a particular show to a 1111 00:54:19,938 --> 00:54:22,630 device, we'll just have a playlist that automatically 1112 00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:23,112 downloads. 1113 00:54:23,112 --> 00:54:26,387 That would be the way of doing it, but yeah. 1114 00:54:26,467 --> 00:54:27,369 Sam Sethi: The other thing they've done. 1115 00:54:27,369 --> 00:54:29,952 They've created a new explore feature. 1116 00:54:29,952 --> 00:54:33,358 I call it Tinder for music is the best way I can describe it 1117 00:54:34,726 --> 00:54:38,652 Obviously very niche, but what you can do is listen to samples 1118 00:54:39,092 --> 00:54:44,692 of music literally not even 30 seconds and then you can share 1119 00:54:44,751 --> 00:54:44,811 it. 1120 00:54:44,811 --> 00:54:46,717 So what's nice about it? 1121 00:54:46,717 --> 00:54:47,724 It is like Tinder. 1122 00:54:47,724 --> 00:54:54,445 You swipe up and down to get to the next track, and it's a good 1123 00:54:54,445 --> 00:54:55,086 way of discovery really. 1124 00:54:55,086 --> 00:54:55,849 You a quick feel. 1125 00:54:55,849 --> 00:55:00,137 You can do it by hashtags, you can do it by, uh, music artists, 1126 00:55:00,137 --> 00:55:02,148 um, so I think it's quite a nice little way. 1127 00:55:02,148 --> 00:55:05,436 Again, what they're trying to do is find a new way to help 1128 00:55:05,565 --> 00:55:07,713 people discover new music. 1129 00:55:07,713 --> 00:55:10,141 Um, and this is one interesting ui. 1130 00:55:10,141 --> 00:55:13,329 I don't know if it'll survive, whether it's experimental, but 1131 00:55:13,369 --> 00:55:14,210 you can go and play with it. 1132 00:55:14,210 --> 00:55:17,577 It's live now and you just scroll up, scroll down. 1133 00:55:17,577 --> 00:55:20,929 Yeah, very Tinder for music. 1134 00:55:20,949 --> 00:55:21,231 James Cridland: Cool, cool. 1135 00:55:21,231 --> 00:55:25,175 And they've done something in terms of episode notifications 1136 00:55:25,255 --> 00:55:27,733 as well, where they've made those look a little bit prettier 1137 00:55:27,733 --> 00:55:29,391 at least on iOS they have. 1138 00:55:29,391 --> 00:55:33,601 So one of the things I didn't realise is that from the 1139 00:55:33,641 --> 00:55:38,442 notifications you can actually ask for that particular episode 1140 00:55:38,481 --> 00:55:41,510 to be downloaded or played or whatever, which is quite nice. 1141 00:55:41,811 --> 00:55:44,347 Announcer: Boostergrams, boostergrams, boostergrams and 1142 00:55:44,427 --> 00:55:45,050 fan mail. 1143 00:55:45,050 --> 00:55:47,572 Fan mail On the Pod News Weekly Review. 1144 00:55:48,045 --> 00:55:49,150 James Cridland: Yes, it's our favourite time of the week. 1145 00:55:49,150 --> 00:55:52,894 It's Boostergram Corner, or Super Comments Corner if you're 1146 00:55:52,974 --> 00:55:53,637 on True Fans. 1147 00:55:53,637 --> 00:55:56,485 Yes, and backed by other people . 1148 00:55:56,885 --> 00:55:59,353 Sam Sethi: People are agreeing with me, so yes, Anyway there we 1149 00:55:59,353 --> 00:55:59,554 are. 1150 00:56:02,851 --> 00:56:05,722 James Cridland: So yes, if you have a boost button or a super 1151 00:56:05,762 --> 00:56:09,193 comment button in your podcast app, then hit that and send us a 1152 00:56:09,193 --> 00:56:11,512 message and some sats as well. 1153 00:56:11,512 --> 00:56:12,608 That would be a kind thing. 1154 00:56:12,608 --> 00:56:15,235 Kyren, Kyren lives. 1155 00:56:15,235 --> 00:56:16,809 He sent us a row of ducks. 1156 00:56:16,809 --> 00:56:18,289 Double two, double two sats. 1157 00:56:18,289 --> 00:56:20,550 He says Podcam 2 sounds awesome . 1158 00:56:20,550 --> 00:56:23,125 I'll actually be in Europe around that time. 1159 00:56:23,385 --> 00:56:24,829 Andreaa Coscai: So I'll come over and say hi. 1160 00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:25,672 Sam Sethi: Amazing. 1161 00:56:26,313 --> 00:56:27,056 James Cridland: There you go. 1162 00:56:27,056 --> 00:56:29,632 Well, that'll be fantastic. 1163 00:56:29,632 --> 00:56:34,135 I look forward to welcoming you to my birth city, karin. 1164 00:56:34,135 --> 00:56:34,876 That would be a good thing. 1165 00:56:34,876 --> 00:56:35,838 What are you going to do with him? 1166 00:56:35,838 --> 00:56:43,389 I'll give him some flat, boring beer. 1167 00:56:43,389 --> 00:56:48,036 The last time I showed an Australian, a proper Australian, 1168 00:56:48,036 --> 00:56:53,422 I took him to a pub and he says so, what should I have? 1169 00:56:53,422 --> 00:56:55,405 I was thinking about a lager. 1170 00:56:55,405 --> 00:56:57,610 And I said, no, I'll get you a London Pride. 1171 00:56:57,610 --> 00:57:02,286 And so I went to buy him a London Pride and he came to me a 1172 00:57:02,286 --> 00:57:04,751 couple of minutes later and he said James, I don't think this 1173 00:57:04,811 --> 00:57:05,494 London Pride's. 1174 00:57:05,494 --> 00:57:07,686 I think there's something wrong with it. 1175 00:57:07,686 --> 00:57:10,873 It's kind of it's much warmer than I was expecting and it's 1176 00:57:10,934 --> 00:57:11,514 really flat. 1177 00:57:12,376 --> 00:57:17,833 No, that's that's that's what makes it great. 1178 00:57:17,833 --> 00:57:22,601 Yes, um, thank you to seth s3th . 1179 00:57:22,601 --> 00:57:25,826 Uh, 100 sats for the pod news daily, which is very nice. 1180 00:57:25,826 --> 00:57:27,588 Great show, says seth. 1181 00:57:27,588 --> 00:57:31,295 You'll never hear this, but anyway it's nice to see that on 1182 00:57:31,315 --> 00:57:32,197 True Fans as well. 1183 00:57:32,438 --> 00:57:37,548 Andreaa Coscai: Look there you go, we're alive someone uses it, 1184 00:57:37,548 --> 00:57:39,014 we're alive we're alive. 1185 00:57:39,706 --> 00:57:42,824 James Cridland: Silas on Linux 1000 sats. 1186 00:57:42,824 --> 00:57:45,590 Another grumpy message from Silas on Linux. 1187 00:57:45,590 --> 00:57:47,653 Good that you two are keeping the money to yourself. 1188 00:57:47,653 --> 00:57:50,219 What's the fun in hiring people if you can't underpay and take 1189 00:57:50,260 --> 00:57:51,021 all the money yourself? 1190 00:57:51,025 --> 00:57:52,849 Sam Sethi: yes, what's the fun in hiring people? 1191 00:57:52,869 --> 00:57:55,454 James Cridland: if you can't underpay and take all the money 1192 00:57:55,474 --> 00:57:55,715 yourself. 1193 00:57:55,715 --> 00:57:56,175 Yes, exactly, yes, um. 1194 00:57:56,175 --> 00:57:59,503 And uh, neil velio from podnos, uh 500 sats, uh 10 out of 10 on 1195 00:57:59,503 --> 00:58:00,746 the new production porn. 1196 00:58:00,746 --> 00:58:04,094 At the start of the episode straight in with the what? 1197 00:58:04,094 --> 00:58:04,896 What's that with them? 1198 00:58:04,896 --> 00:58:06,346 What's in it for me? 1199 00:58:06,907 --> 00:58:09,833 oh, what's in it for me straight in what with the what's in it 1200 00:58:09,853 --> 00:58:14,547 for me at the beginning to with slick, engaging structure. 1201 00:58:14,547 --> 00:58:16,134 It's almost like you know what you're doing. 1202 00:58:16,134 --> 00:58:18,925 It's uh, I'm not sure I know what I'm reading. 1203 00:58:18,925 --> 00:58:23,213 As for spotify's latest attempt to own podcasts, it's like they 1204 00:58:23,213 --> 00:58:27,166 learned nothing from anchor what becoming the biggest 1205 00:58:27,206 --> 00:58:29,228 podcast hosting company in the world. 1206 00:58:29,228 --> 00:58:32,670 What is there not to learn from that? 1207 00:58:32,829 --> 00:58:34,771 Sam Sethi: What did Spotify ever do for us? 1208 00:58:34,791 --> 00:58:37,052 James Cridland: as the writer said, yes, I've got no idea what 1209 00:58:37,052 --> 00:58:37,673 that's all about. 1210 00:58:37,673 --> 00:58:41,056 Leo Velio, thank you so much for that. 1211 00:58:41,056 --> 00:58:47,800 He is, of course, one of our stupendous 16 power supporters. 1212 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,202 You can become his power supporter if you like, 1213 00:58:51,704 --> 00:58:52,213 weeklypodnewsnet. 1214 00:58:52,213 --> 00:58:56,652 Go there armed with your credit card and give us a small amount 1215 00:58:56,652 --> 00:58:59,827 of money or a large amount of money, if you like every single 1216 00:59:00,228 --> 00:59:00,449 month. 1217 00:59:00,449 --> 00:59:01,594 That would be a lovely thing. 1218 00:59:01,594 --> 00:59:03,300 Neil is doing that through. 1219 00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:05,646 Pod knows his company also. 1220 00:59:05,646 --> 00:59:09,251 David John Clark, james Burt, john McDermott, claire 1221 00:59:09,271 --> 00:59:13,398 Waiteite-Brown, Ms Eileen Smith, rocky Thomas, jim James, david 1222 00:59:13,438 --> 00:59:17,456 Marzell, si Jobling, Rachel Corbett, dave Jackson, mike 1223 00:59:17,496 --> 00:59:20,525 Hamilton, matt Medeiros, marshall Brown and Cameron Moll. 1224 00:59:20,525 --> 00:59:23,190 Those are all the stupendous 16 . 1225 00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:26,579 We're wondering who the sweet 17 is going to be. 1226 00:59:26,579 --> 00:59:31,034 If you would like to be that person, weeklypodnewsnet, that 1227 00:59:31,054 --> 00:59:32,458 would be super excellent. 1228 00:59:32,458 --> 00:59:34,931 So what's happened for? 1229 00:59:34,951 --> 00:59:35,634 Sam Sethi: you this week, Sam? 1230 00:59:35,634 --> 00:59:36,949 Well, you know nothing. 1231 00:59:36,949 --> 00:59:40,445 Quiet week, another quiet week on the trail. 1232 00:59:40,445 --> 00:59:45,538 No, we added transcribefm to TruFans. 1233 00:59:45,538 --> 00:59:47,612 So Nathan Gathwright's company. 1234 00:59:47,612 --> 00:59:50,010 But what's unique about it? 1235 00:59:50,010 --> 00:59:51,255 Well, first of all, let's explain. 1236 00:59:51,255 --> 00:59:54,873 You can now now, as a creator, if your host doesn't actually 1237 00:59:54,972 --> 00:59:57,385 give you a transcription, you don't have to move to another 1238 00:59:57,505 --> 00:59:57,985 platform. 1239 00:59:57,985 --> 01:00:01,414 You can stay where you are and then just press a buy transcript 1240 01:00:01,414 --> 01:00:03,806 button and go and buy your transcript. 1241 01:00:03,806 --> 01:00:08,554 And what's unique about it is we're using the technology we've 1242 01:00:08,554 --> 01:00:14,105 termed secure RSS, but it's the protocol L402 or F402. 1243 01:00:14,105 --> 01:00:19,871 And the idea is that the confirmation of the payment is 1244 01:00:19,951 --> 01:00:21,938 first sent, then approved. 1245 01:00:21,938 --> 01:00:25,570 Nathan will then do the transcription and send that back 1246 01:00:25,570 --> 01:00:25,951 after. 1247 01:00:25,951 --> 01:00:29,869 So it's just a way of making a secure payment across any API 1248 01:00:30,190 --> 01:00:31,213 using L402. 1249 01:00:31,213 --> 01:00:35,427 But Nathan's implemented it for Transcribefm and we've added it 1250 01:00:35,427 --> 01:00:36,389 to TrueFans. 1251 01:00:36,469 --> 01:00:38,574 James Cridland: Yeah, Very good. 1252 01:00:38,574 --> 01:00:44,472 Yes, it's always good to see more different ways of paying 1253 01:00:44,512 --> 01:00:48,501 and supporting people, so that's nice to end up seeing You've 1254 01:00:48,541 --> 01:00:51,780 also added currency support for New Zealand dollars, for 1255 01:00:51,860 --> 01:00:55,871 Japanese yen and for Canadian dollars which is a nice thing. 1256 01:00:55,871 --> 01:00:57,485 What's your creator portal? 1257 01:00:57,545 --> 01:00:58,509 Sam Sethi: customisation. 1258 01:00:58,509 --> 01:01:02,501 Well, this goes back to the thing that Adam mentioned, the 1259 01:01:02,581 --> 01:01:04,909 Rachel Maddow problem, as we call it now. 1260 01:01:04,909 --> 01:01:11,192 How can we turn podcast pages in TrueFans from what they look 1261 01:01:11,251 --> 01:01:14,867 like as very similar to everyone else's page into a more 1262 01:01:14,907 --> 01:01:15,869 customizable way? 1263 01:01:15,869 --> 01:01:20,405 So little things that we're starting to add so we can now 1264 01:01:20,487 --> 01:01:23,876 hide comments, which is one of the features I think is already 1265 01:01:23,976 --> 01:01:27,581 on YouTube or other platforms, so it's not unique to us, but 1266 01:01:27,621 --> 01:01:28,947 the idea is very simple. 1267 01:01:28,947 --> 01:01:31,949 You might want to hide comments for the whole of your podcast, 1268 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,626 or you might want to hide comments for an episode. 1269 01:01:33,626 --> 01:01:35,266 Simple thing to do. 1270 01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:38,230 But the critical is we're now adding the first customization 1271 01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:42,150 so you can now reorder the tabs within your podcast page. 1272 01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:44,686 So the default currently is your episode page. 1273 01:01:44,686 --> 01:01:47,503 So I land on Pod News Daily and , of course, I want to see all 1274 01:01:47,563 --> 01:01:49,090 your latest episodes. 1275 01:01:49,090 --> 01:01:53,701 But, for example, we do events, we do blogs, we do merch, so 1276 01:01:54,021 --> 01:01:56,507 you might have an event coming up and so you want your event 1277 01:01:56,547 --> 01:01:59,885 page to be the landing page, or you might have I don't know 1278 01:01:59,945 --> 01:02:02,271 something to do with a new t-shirt that you're launching. 1279 01:02:02,271 --> 01:02:06,969 So you can reorder those tabs to be what is the tab you want, 1280 01:02:07,070 --> 01:02:07,972 or you can hide tabs. 1281 01:02:07,972 --> 01:02:09,405 So that's a feature that we've added. 1282 01:02:09,405 --> 01:02:13,309 So yeah, first part of our customisation to create a portal 1283 01:02:13,309 --> 01:02:13,309 . 1284 01:02:13,471 --> 01:02:13,831 James Cridland: Very good. 1285 01:02:13,831 --> 01:02:16,989 Are you working on anything exciting in terms of TV? 1286 01:02:17,309 --> 01:02:21,887 Sam Sethi: Yes, Basically, I was just playing around with the 1287 01:02:21,947 --> 01:02:25,554 Fire TV stick that we have and I worked out it has an Amazon 1288 01:02:25,615 --> 01:02:26,179 Silk browser. 1289 01:02:26,179 --> 01:02:30,447 I've known that for ages and no one in the world uses it, but 1290 01:02:30,648 --> 01:02:33,260 anyway it's on the Fire TV stick and I thought, oh well, go on, 1291 01:02:33,460 --> 01:02:36,887 we're a universal web app, so let's go and try it. 1292 01:02:36,887 --> 01:02:40,880 So I put in the URL for truefansfm and boom, it worked 1293 01:02:41,262 --> 01:02:42,184 and it's sized correctly. 1294 01:02:42,184 --> 01:02:43,585 And I was like, oh, this is pretty cool. 1295 01:02:43,585 --> 01:02:46,431 And then I went well, how do you create an app? 1296 01:02:46,431 --> 01:02:49,041 Because it's got an app store on the Fire TV stick and it's 1297 01:02:49,242 --> 01:02:49,885 pretty simple. 1298 01:02:49,885 --> 01:02:52,168 Actually, it's using HTML and JavaScript. 1299 01:02:52,168 --> 01:02:55,938 You put a Chromium wrapper around it and then you submit it 1300 01:02:55,938 --> 01:02:58,849 to Amazon and then it will appear on your Amazon Fire TV 1301 01:02:58,889 --> 01:02:59,090 stick. 1302 01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:01,246 So that's what we're doing. 1303 01:03:01,246 --> 01:03:04,443 We'll be pushing that live this week and you'll be able to then 1304 01:03:04,443 --> 01:03:07,527 go to the amazon fire tv whenever they make it available. 1305 01:03:07,527 --> 01:03:09,751 So don't try it this week if you're going. 1306 01:03:09,751 --> 01:03:10,351 Where is it? 1307 01:03:10,351 --> 01:03:14,121 Um, it's not our fault, we'll submit it. 1308 01:03:14,121 --> 01:03:16,226 We just don't know how long it takes for it to populate. 1309 01:03:16,327 --> 01:03:18,902 James Cridland: but yes, but it works and it's good. 1310 01:03:18,902 --> 01:03:20,224 Well, that's interesting, isn't it? 1311 01:03:20,224 --> 01:03:22,490 Because, uh, yeah, because you, you can imagine. 1312 01:03:22,490 --> 01:03:26,130 I mean, if it works for fire tv , it should work on google tv as 1313 01:03:26,130 --> 01:03:28,800 well, which is rather a lot larger. 1314 01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,927 So, yeah, that would be interesting to see how much 1315 01:03:33,307 --> 01:03:39,605 traffic you get from TV users, and I'm imagining that you know 1316 01:03:39,644 --> 01:03:42,351 there will be TV users who might be interested in seeing the 1317 01:03:42,391 --> 01:03:43,092 video versions. 1318 01:03:43,900 --> 01:03:44,469 Sam Sethi: Yes, exactly, yeah, very good. 1319 01:03:44,469 --> 01:03:47,021 The video versions yes, exactly , yeah, very good. 1320 01:03:47,021 --> 01:03:50,585 And then the last bit, just on a personal note I'm doing my 1321 01:03:50,606 --> 01:03:53,188 next leg of the River Thames walk, that I'm doing so Richmond 1322 01:03:53,188 --> 01:03:53,769 to Chertsey. 1323 01:03:53,769 --> 01:03:55,833 Anyone I should say hello to James, that you might know along 1324 01:03:55,833 --> 01:03:56,032 the way. 1325 01:03:56,112 --> 01:04:01,521 James Cridland: Oh gosh, not off the top of my head, no, but yes 1326 01:04:01,521 --> 01:04:01,641 gosh. 1327 01:04:01,641 --> 01:04:02,061 Well, that'll be nice. 1328 01:04:02,061 --> 01:04:06,552 Yes, you'll be walking past Eel Island if you're going down 1329 01:04:06,572 --> 01:04:06,851 that way. 1330 01:04:11,179 --> 01:04:11,320 Sam Sethi: Is that? 1331 01:04:11,340 --> 01:04:12,324 James Cridland: where I can get eels, or is that just why is it 1332 01:04:12,344 --> 01:04:12,686 called Eel Island? 1333 01:04:12,686 --> 01:04:14,413 I think it's called Eel Island because you know London in the 1334 01:04:14,432 --> 01:04:17,184 1400s, but it will be. 1335 01:04:17,184 --> 01:04:21,413 But there's a number of different companies on that 1336 01:04:21,713 --> 01:04:23,721 island and you have to. 1337 01:04:23,721 --> 01:04:25,182 If you run a company on that island, um, and you have to, um, 1338 01:04:25,182 --> 01:04:29,228 if you run a company on that Island, uh, then, uh, you get a, 1339 01:04:29,228 --> 01:04:35,574 uh, you get a key to actually get onto the Island and, uh and 1340 01:04:35,635 --> 01:04:36,056 do stuff. 1341 01:04:36,056 --> 01:04:43,989 Yeah, it's this, this tiny little little Island in the 1342 01:04:44,010 --> 01:04:45,934 middle of the Thames, but, um, yeah, and one of the companies 1343 01:04:45,954 --> 01:04:50,023 who is there, uh, is now owned by Dolby Um, it's a large 1344 01:04:50,103 --> 01:04:51,809 company that makes data stuff for in-car entertainment. 1345 01:04:51,809 --> 01:04:53,766 So, yeah, there's a thing. 1346 01:04:54,067 --> 01:04:54,509 There's a thing. 1347 01:04:55,679 --> 01:04:56,583 Sam Sethi: So, James, come on. 1348 01:04:56,583 --> 01:04:57,646 What's been happening for you? 1349 01:04:57,646 --> 01:04:58,730 Have you bought your swastika? 1350 01:04:59,300 --> 01:05:00,806 James Cridland: I have not got any of these. 1351 01:05:00,806 --> 01:05:04,820 That's going to get us demonetised, if nothing else is. 1352 01:05:04,820 --> 01:05:08,847 I have not got a Tesla. 1353 01:05:08,847 --> 01:05:17,501 No, I did buy a Chinese electric car, which I got 1354 01:05:17,541 --> 01:05:18,342 delivered today. 1355 01:05:18,342 --> 01:05:24,007 Well, I went in and got it and, yes, so that was exciting. 1356 01:05:24,007 --> 01:05:26,909 It came with a little bow on it . 1357 01:05:26,909 --> 01:05:30,831 Yes, from the dealership Red Red. 1358 01:05:30,831 --> 01:05:33,974 It's a white car because Australia and it's very hot. 1359 01:05:34,074 --> 01:05:35,034 Sam Sethi: But the bow was red. 1360 01:05:35,034 --> 01:05:35,715 No, I meant, was the bow red? 1361 01:05:35,715 --> 01:05:36,454 Yes, the bow was red. 1362 01:05:36,454 --> 01:05:38,577 Yes, you see, china, it's always got to be red. 1363 01:05:38,577 --> 01:05:39,518 Here we go, here we go. 1364 01:05:42,260 --> 01:05:43,382 James Cridland: Anyway, a few interesting things about that. 1365 01:05:43,382 --> 01:05:45,346 The operating system in it is Android. 1366 01:05:45,346 --> 01:05:52,442 It is, if you can imagine, the worst operating system, the most 1367 01:05:52,442 --> 01:05:58,943 badly coded thing you've ever seen, then it's that it's really 1368 01:05:58,943 --> 01:06:00,007 not particularly great. 1369 01:06:00,007 --> 01:06:04,088 But you know, I've sort of played around with it and done a 1370 01:06:04,088 --> 01:06:04,811 few things with it. 1371 01:06:04,811 --> 01:06:05,864 It's kind of OK. 1372 01:06:05,864 --> 01:06:10,563 Around with it and done a few things with it, it's kind of 1373 01:06:10,583 --> 01:06:10,663 okay. 1374 01:06:10,682 --> 01:06:12,567 One of the things that I enjoyed was it's got its own navigation 1375 01:06:12,567 --> 01:06:12,947 system. 1376 01:06:12,947 --> 01:06:15,800 Can't quite work out what it's using because it doesn't quite 1377 01:06:15,860 --> 01:06:19,630 look like Google Maps, but I'm not quite sure what it is. 1378 01:06:19,630 --> 01:06:26,347 But anyway, clearly its GPS can't deal with anything because 1379 01:06:26,347 --> 01:06:29,572 it put me in the middle of a field as I was driving to pick 1380 01:06:29,612 --> 01:06:33,306 my daughter up from school today , so not quite sure what's going 1381 01:06:33,306 --> 01:06:33,628 on there. 1382 01:06:33,628 --> 01:06:37,121 But it also comes with Amazon Music, so you can sign into 1383 01:06:37,181 --> 01:06:42,889 Amazon Music on the device and it will then give you access 1384 01:06:43,050 --> 01:06:46,175 through the SIM card that it's got, which I'm not paying for. 1385 01:06:46,175 --> 01:06:50,045 It will give you access to the entire Amazon Music catalogue, 1386 01:06:50,065 --> 01:06:51,007 which is quite interesting. 1387 01:06:51,007 --> 01:06:54,219 So yeah, so I thought that was a bit weird. 1388 01:06:54,219 --> 01:06:56,025 Does it have Google Maps in your car? 1389 01:06:56,025 --> 01:06:58,940 I do have Google Maps and Apple Maps in my car through my phone 1390 01:06:58,940 --> 01:06:58,940 . 1391 01:06:59,541 --> 01:07:02,166 Sam Sethi: Yes, Right, can you do me a favour? 1392 01:07:02,166 --> 01:07:04,309 When you're in it, can you check if the gulf of america's 1393 01:07:04,429 --> 01:07:06,072 in there now. 1394 01:07:06,132 --> 01:07:08,835 James Cridland: Now, uh, I google have changed it, 1395 01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,987 capitulating they have, but only in the us. 1396 01:07:14,168 --> 01:07:18,681 um, so they've put, they've put the us into a list of countries. 1397 01:07:18,681 --> 01:07:23,996 Um, uh, they I think they call it their unstable country list, 1398 01:07:24,016 --> 01:07:26,610 which is a bit of a mistake, but it's their it's. 1399 01:07:26,610 --> 01:07:30,184 But it's their finickety countries that insist on calling 1400 01:07:30,184 --> 01:07:32,088 different things different names. 1401 01:07:32,088 --> 01:07:35,393 Hello, derry, london Derry. 1402 01:07:35,393 --> 01:07:39,686 So, yes, so that's what they've done. 1403 01:07:39,686 --> 01:07:43,474 So if you are American and you are logged into Google Maps, 1404 01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:47,150 then at some point in the next few weeks you will see it being 1405 01:07:47,210 --> 01:07:50,387 called the Gulf of America, but if you are from Mexico, it will 1406 01:07:50,427 --> 01:07:51,610 still be the Gulf of Mexico. 1407 01:07:51,610 --> 01:07:58,806 So, yes, which I have to say, I think is probably the right 1408 01:07:58,865 --> 01:07:59,166 choice. 1409 01:07:59,166 --> 01:08:05,222 Similarly, you know, if you are in India, there are bits of 1410 01:08:06,045 --> 01:08:09,420 some countries near you that you think are in India, but they 1411 01:08:09,460 --> 01:08:15,030 think are not, and so it just depends on what you know, what 1412 01:08:15,431 --> 01:08:19,707 account you're logged in to, depends on what the map actually 1413 01:08:19,707 --> 01:08:21,551 says, and I think that's probably the right thing. 1414 01:08:23,899 --> 01:08:25,769 Sam Sethi: Washington's been renamed as well, hasn't it Go on 1415 01:08:25,769 --> 01:08:26,895 Trumpton, washington's been renamed as well. 1416 01:08:26,914 --> 01:08:27,597 James Cridland: Hasn't it go on trumpton? 1417 01:08:27,597 --> 01:08:34,913 There's a joke for people who remember uh uk television of the 1418 01:08:34,913 --> 01:08:38,164 19th barnaby grew but cuff, boot, dibble and grub. 1419 01:08:38,345 --> 01:08:41,135 Sam Sethi: Yes, right, anyway, that'll be cut. 1420 01:08:41,154 --> 01:08:46,087 James Cridland: That'll never make the edit anyway moving on 1421 01:08:46,108 --> 01:08:49,764 to, uh, slightly more interesting things I set up. 1422 01:08:49,764 --> 01:08:52,423 So I've got an apps server, which is a very cheap little box 1423 01:08:52,423 --> 01:08:57,729 that I hire from Amazon, which has, you know, a SQL viewer on 1424 01:08:57,789 --> 01:09:02,425 it and various other things that I use, and I thought to myself, 1425 01:09:02,425 --> 01:09:05,469 brilliant, what I can do is because I got to rebuild that 1426 01:09:05,509 --> 01:09:08,305 box, as it was running an old version of Amazon Linux. 1427 01:09:08,305 --> 01:09:10,371 So I thought, right, well, what I'll do is I'll build this so 1428 01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:17,028 that it's an IPv6 only box, because I need to access it and 1429 01:09:17,229 --> 01:09:18,511 I've got IPv6. 1430 01:09:18,511 --> 01:09:22,761 So therefore, I don't need to rent for a dollar a month, an 1431 01:09:22,841 --> 01:09:25,067 IPv4 address for it. 1432 01:09:25,067 --> 01:09:27,072 I can just deal with IPv6. 1433 01:09:27,072 --> 01:09:31,341 So IPv6 is up and running and that worked absolutely fine. 1434 01:09:31,341 --> 01:09:35,229 But it turns out that in order for it to connect to my database 1435 01:09:35,229 --> 01:09:40,627 server, which is also in Amazon , it needs an IPv4 address 1436 01:09:40,686 --> 01:09:41,028 anyway. 1437 01:09:41,028 --> 01:09:43,953 So, brilliant, well done. 1438 01:09:43,953 --> 01:09:46,261 Another Amazon web services triumph. 1439 01:09:46,261 --> 01:09:51,831 But I quite liked the idea of just using IPv6 for that. 1440 01:09:51,831 --> 01:09:54,114 So, who knows, might come back to that later. 1441 01:09:55,180 --> 01:10:02,430 It's only 30 years that they said IPv4 would be gone, had 1442 01:10:02,489 --> 01:10:04,893 some really interesting conversation with a man called 1443 01:10:04,993 --> 01:10:05,814 Bill Shillett. 1444 01:10:05,814 --> 01:10:10,966 Now no one will know who Bill is, but he was one of the 1445 01:10:11,027 --> 01:10:15,239 co-founders of Google Listen and , again, no one will know what 1446 01:10:15,319 --> 01:10:16,181 Google Listen was. 1447 01:10:16,181 --> 01:10:21,912 It was Google's first ever podcast app and it came out in, 1448 01:10:21,972 --> 01:10:24,904 I think, 2011 or so. 1449 01:10:24,904 --> 01:10:27,569 No, it didn't, it came out in 2009. 1450 01:10:27,569 --> 01:10:30,442 It was one of the first things that you could get basically on 1451 01:10:30,481 --> 01:10:34,711 an Android phone and really fascinating Talking to him he 1452 01:10:34,771 --> 01:10:38,783 shared a few of the internal documents about how that app 1453 01:10:39,984 --> 01:10:44,890 came up and really interesting talking with him about how it 1454 01:10:44,930 --> 01:10:47,734 all works and how the system. 1455 01:10:48,034 --> 01:10:52,466 Yeah, you know what the idea of the system was. 1456 01:10:52,466 --> 01:10:55,761 Here's an interesting thing Google Listen started as kind of 1457 01:10:55,761 --> 01:10:56,622 a podcast app. 1458 01:10:56,622 --> 01:11:03,158 It then morphed onto on the Google TV platform into well, 1459 01:11:03,198 --> 01:11:06,203 frankly, we would call it today, we would call it YouTube and 1460 01:11:06,264 --> 01:11:10,832 the idea of being able to watch TV shows through your box, 1461 01:11:12,234 --> 01:11:16,421 because I think at the time, google didn't own YouTube and so 1462 01:11:16,421 --> 01:11:19,148 this was one way of, you know, helping them go into that. 1463 01:11:19,148 --> 01:11:24,981 So I thought that was fascinating and Bill has just 1464 01:11:25,202 --> 01:11:25,822 shared with me. 1465 01:11:25,822 --> 01:11:29,145 Of course, google Notebook LM is now doing what Google Listen 1466 01:11:29,164 --> 01:11:34,127 was initially supposed to be doing, which was to produce, you 1467 01:11:34,127 --> 01:11:43,395 know, automated digests of news for you to, and I'm writing up 1468 01:11:43,494 --> 01:11:47,778 a sort of a history as part of the history of podcasting thing, 1469 01:11:47,778 --> 01:11:54,542 a history of Google Listen, which was an app that really, 1470 01:11:54,563 --> 01:11:56,027 you know, never really got anywhere, but was tremendous In 1471 01:11:56,046 --> 01:11:56,127 fact. 1472 01:11:56,127 --> 01:11:58,472 He even shared with me the numbers that they were getting 1473 01:12:01,344 --> 01:12:05,350 in terms of downloads and things , because the numbers that they 1474 01:12:05,369 --> 01:12:09,521 were actually getting in terms of usage was really high for, 1475 01:12:09,984 --> 01:12:14,255 you know, for the android platform in in 2011, which 1476 01:12:14,295 --> 01:12:16,662 hardly anybody was using, but they had half a million people 1477 01:12:16,761 --> 01:12:20,369 using that every day, you know it was incredible, so um yeah 1478 01:12:20,409 --> 01:12:22,001 very nice, so I'm looking forward to 1479 01:12:22,041 --> 01:12:22,601 writing that up. 1480 01:12:22,601 --> 01:12:26,893 So that will be coming up at some uh, some point in the next 1481 01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:28,358 week or so, uh, into the pod news newsletter, and this time 1482 01:12:28,311 --> 01:12:28,692 next week I will be coming up at some uh, some point in the next 1483 01:12:28,692 --> 01:12:30,087 uh week or so, uh, into the pod news newsletter, and this time 1484 01:12:30,148 --> 01:12:32,692 next week I will be speaking to you from switzerland. 1485 01:12:32,692 --> 01:12:38,490 Um, which will be a thrill, um, so, uh, yes, it'll be also very 1486 01:12:38,490 --> 01:12:41,259 much colder than it is here, uh , but there we are. 1487 01:12:41,259 --> 01:12:42,881 Reveal the beans, spill the beans. 1488 01:12:42,881 --> 01:12:43,622 What you're doing there. 1489 01:12:43,622 --> 01:12:47,590 Oh, oh, it's a conference Climbing the Matterhorn, it's a 1490 01:12:47,630 --> 01:12:50,435 conference for French language broadcasters there. 1491 01:12:50,435 --> 01:12:54,069 So I am doing the opening keynote, all about the future of 1492 01:12:54,069 --> 01:12:54,390 radio. 1493 01:12:55,180 --> 01:12:58,007 Run, run away is not what I'll be saying. 1494 01:12:58,509 --> 01:12:59,452 Sam Sethi: Can you just end it? 1495 01:12:59,452 --> 01:13:01,666 The future of radio is podcasting. 1496 01:13:01,666 --> 01:13:02,387 See what happens. 1497 01:13:02,387 --> 01:13:03,251 Go on do it. 1498 01:13:07,939 --> 01:13:08,863 James Cridland: Interestingly, I said you know, and obviously 1499 01:13:08,774 --> 01:13:10,247 I'll be talking about podcasts, and the person that's running 1500 01:13:10,158 --> 01:13:13,194 the conference has said I wouldn't mention podcasts too 1501 01:13:13,234 --> 01:13:13,835 much if I were you. 1502 01:13:13,835 --> 01:13:16,703 Nobody listens to them and they're impossible to earn any 1503 01:13:16,743 --> 01:13:17,225 money out of. 1504 01:13:17,225 --> 01:13:20,412 So I thought, well, that's interesting. 1505 01:13:20,474 --> 01:13:23,024 Oh, wow so anyway, yes, so I'm looking forward to going there. 1506 01:13:23,024 --> 01:13:27,648 Neuchatel is the place in Switzerland where I'm going and, 1507 01:13:27,648 --> 01:13:31,585 yes, and I think I've got I think I've got most of a free 1508 01:13:31,625 --> 01:13:34,412 day there, so I'm looking for if we've got any listeners in. 1509 01:13:34,412 --> 01:13:38,792 No, no, okay, so there we are, so that should be fun. 1510 01:13:39,060 --> 01:13:41,087 Sam Sethi: I'll look up on my analytics on Buzzsprout, we'll 1511 01:13:41,106 --> 01:13:41,287 see. 1512 01:13:41,287 --> 01:13:45,328 Yes, the other thing I was going to say, talking of Google, 1513 01:13:45,328 --> 01:13:50,274 have you seen they're still recommending Google Podcasts in 1514 01:13:50,293 --> 01:13:51,060 Google search results Are they really? 1515 01:13:51,060 --> 01:13:52,865 Yeah, I'll send you the screenshot. 1516 01:13:52,865 --> 01:13:55,087 It was posted on Mastodon yesterday. 1517 01:13:55,087 --> 01:13:57,807 Somebody was asking about the best way to listen to podcasts 1518 01:13:58,269 --> 01:14:01,422 on Android, and it comes up with Google Podcasts oh you are 1519 01:14:01,583 --> 01:14:02,266 absolutely right. 1520 01:14:02,340 --> 01:14:07,600 James Cridland: Yes, because, of course, Gemini, of course, is 1521 01:14:07,619 --> 01:14:12,028 stuck in a world where Google Podcasts still exists In 2024, 1522 01:14:12,127 --> 01:14:13,590 it would still work oh my. 1523 01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:15,353 So they're still recommending it. 1524 01:14:15,814 --> 01:14:19,576 Yeah, the good thing about Kargi which is, or Kargi, I believe 1525 01:14:19,615 --> 01:14:24,417 it's now pronounced which is the web browser, the search engine 1526 01:14:24,436 --> 01:14:29,278 that I use, is we are now able to share searches with other 1527 01:14:29,297 --> 01:14:32,559 people, which is really great, because if you want to show 1528 01:14:32,658 --> 01:14:35,400 somebody how much better it is because it doesn't use any of 1529 01:14:35,442 --> 01:14:40,792 this stupid AI stuff, now I can share those links with people, 1530 01:14:40,832 --> 01:14:42,443 which is rather a fine thing. 1531 01:14:42,443 --> 01:14:44,887 So, yeah, maybe I should do a little bit more of that. 1532 01:14:44,887 --> 01:14:50,301 Anyway, anywho, that's it for this week. 1533 01:14:50,301 --> 01:14:52,171 All of our stories, of course, taken from the pod news daily 1534 01:14:52,353 --> 01:14:54,903 newsletter, which you can subscribe to podnewsnet. 1535 01:14:54,903 --> 01:14:58,831 You can also give us a review in your podcast app and, by all 1536 01:14:58,850 --> 01:15:02,729 means, go hard on the five stars you can support this show by 1537 01:15:02,770 --> 01:15:03,412 streaming satch. 1538 01:15:03,432 --> 01:15:05,560 Sam Sethi: You can give us feedback using the buzzsprout 1539 01:15:05,659 --> 01:15:08,867 fan mail link in our show notes and you can send us a bootstrap 1540 01:15:09,368 --> 01:15:13,002 super comment 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