This is episode 2 in our miniseries entitled "Life-Giving Leaders."

Returning guest Jimmy Carnes joins Ryan on the podcast today to talk about what it is like to lead from the 2nd chair, or "lead up" in an organization. Leadership is hard in the best of circumstances, it can be even more challenging when you're leading in a space where you're not the final decision maker on things. Jimmy carefully and compassionately walks us through how we should consider this monumental task and gives excellent insight into how we can take care of ourselves in the process. 

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