This week we’re diving into the economics of breastfeeding, a little something we like to call supply and demand.
What most moms don’t know when they start their breastfeeding journey is that their bodies are already prepared to produce and supply enough breastmilk to meet their baby’s every nutritional need for the first several months of his or her life. It’s just one of the things that makes motherhood so completely awe-inspiring.
Of course, while that ability is deeply ingrained in our very being, our own thoughts and fears can make it easy to ignore our intuition.
These are just a few of the questions that every single mom asks herself. That second-guessing can lead even the most confident momma down the wrong path. So let’s talk about it! Our guest today is Ann Bennett, an Austin-based IBCLC with Nest Collaborative and breastfeeding encyclopedia who will most certainly put your mind at ease. Join us for today's show!
This week we’re diving into the economics of breastfeeding, a little something we like to call supply and demand.
What most moms don’t know when they start their breastfeeding journey is that their bodies are already prepared to produce and supply enough breastmilk to meet their baby’s every nutritional need for the first several months of his or her life. It’s just one of the things that makes motherhood so completely awe-inspiring.
Of course, while that ability is deeply ingrained in our very being, our own thoughts and fears can make it easy to ignore our intuition.
These are just a few of the questions that every single mom asks herself. That second-guessing can lead even the most confident momma down the wrong path. So let’s talk about it! Our guest today is Ann Bennett, an Austin-based IBCLC with Nest Collaborative and breastfeeding encyclopedia who will most certainly put your mind at ease. Join us for today's show!
[Intro] Breastfeeding unplugged. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome Mamas and mamas to be. A podcast dedicated to helping moms navigate their way through the tricky world of breastfeeding. Breastfeeding Unplugged. Breastfeeding Unplugged. Hello mamas and mamas-to-be. Welcome to another episode of Breastfeeding Unplugged. I am your host Amanda Gorman of Nest Collaborative. And this week, we're diving into the economics of breastfeeding, a little something we like to call supply and demand. What moms don't know, usually is when they start their breastfeeding journey, their bodies are already prepared to produce and supply enough breast milk to meet their baby's demand. Between mom and baby is a secret physiological code, where a mama's body automatically responds to her baby's cues for feeding. Even before baby is born, her body is preparing to do something totally amazing: produce everything that little one needs to be completely and totally nourished for the first several months of their life. It's just one of the things that makes motherhood so completely awe inspiring. Of course, while that connection is deeply ingrained in our very being, our own thoughts and fears can make it easy to ignore our intuition. Am I making enough milk? Is he hungry? Am I over feeding her? How do I regulate my supply? Am I doing this right? These are just few of the questions that every single mom asks herself, that second guessing can lead even the most confident mama down the wrong path. So let's talk about it. With me today is Anne Bennett, Nest Collaborative's clinical team leader and one of the most profoundly passionate lactation consultants I've ever met, and is an international board certified lactation consultant in private practice and has been so for over 15 years. She's been helping moms and babies nurse since 1998. Her own personal experiences breastfeeding her two boys led her to write her book, The Breastfeeding Class You Never Had, an everything you need to know guide written for new moms who want to get started on their nursing journey strong. And it's a pleasure to have you on our show today.
Ann Bennett:I'm so excited. I've wanted to do a podcast about breastfeeding for forever with you and the day is finally here. I'm not the most techie person on the planet, so I want to give a shout out to Tommy and Chelsea behind the scenes who are helping making this work. Because if it was up to me, I've got like a coffee can and a stick of dental floss. I mean, I can't do it by myself. So yay the village.
Amanda Gorman:So happy you're here. Before we start talking about milk supply, I'd love to hear a little bit about your story as an IBCLC. And how you found your calling as a breastfeeding expert.
Ann Bennett:That is a great question. So I think everybody has a reason for being on the planet. We're all like this giant puzzle piece. And my reason is to help moms nurse their babies. I mean, I know stuff about this I never even knew how I know it. When I first started doing this, I would look it up in a book because I'm like, how do I know that? I'd look it up and at the answer and I was like, that's right. So I looked up stuff, knowing it for about a year in my first year prior practice. And I'm like, okay, I really know this. But I started when my first son was born. He was super fussy and cried about 23 hours out of 24. That's not exaggeration. And I went to a La Leche League meeting. And I started going to the meetings and getting support. And then I start realizing I was giving more support at meetings than I was getting. And the leaders are like, hey, you need to become a La Leche League leader. So I did. And then when my kids started school, I sat the exam. I have a background- a BA in communications, so I had a lot of the communications and HR skills that you need to be board certified. And so here I am.
Amanda Gorman:Awesome. Let's get started. I want to talk about I guess first this self producing superfood that most women know very little about. Tell us about colostrum.
Ann Bennett:I love colostrum, and people always give it a bad rap. They say like ooh, all I have is colostrum. And I'm like no colostrum, if you think about it, it's like primer for your baby's intestines. So it coats the intestines as they are- as they they're first nursing. And then it starts to protect anything coming in. Just like the paint primer protects the color from underneath coming through. It kind of covers up- your body starts making colostrum in your last trimester. And this is kind of a miracle. So if you have an early baby, you're already set. Your body's already do it and you're ready to go.
Amanda Gorman:That is great. And what do they call it? Isn't it like liquid gold?
Ann Bennett:They call it liquid gold because there's 7 million living cells in a third of a teaspoon of colostrum. I mean, that is liquid gold. So you don't need that much of it to make it wonderful.
Amanda Gorman:That's great. Good for baby. First meal. Okay, so after that first day on the job, what can most new moms expect? They'll hear people say that their milk should be coming in. But what really does that mean?
Ann Bennett:Yeah, I've actually changed my wording on that. Instead of milk come in, I'm now calling it milk increase in volume, because the colostrum is your first milk. So it's not like you have nothing and then you have everything. It's like, you have the Ferrari, and then you decided to turn it on and drive it around a little bit, you know, you still- you had it from the get go. So the very first signal for your body to start making milk is when the placenta detaches from the uterus, then your body goes, okay, this thing is out, let's start feeding 'em. And so that's how it starts in the beginning. Some people's milk takes comes in in less than 24 hours. Some people's milk comes takes seven days to come in. The range is from one to seven days. And anything in there is normal.
Amanda Gorman:Okay. All right. Well, so how does a mom know? You know, at which point if she is actually making enough milk for the baby?
Ann Bennett:That is a great question. So the proof is what goes in must come out. So on day of life one, to day of life five, the diapers are going to tell you how much the baby is getting. So it's not even day one life one to five, it's throughout your whole baby's whole journey, their diapers are going to tell you what their intake is. So on day of life one through five it's one wet diaper per day of life. So day of life one, it's one wet diaper, day of life two, it's two, day of life three, it's three, day of life four, it's four, day of life five it's five, and then a poo every 24 hours. So one- so on day five, they should be having five wet, and one poo in 24 hours. On day six, it's six wet and one poo, and now day seven is when it's going to change. By day seven, your milk should really be in. So then your baby's going to make a jump and they're gonna start having six to 10 wet, and two to three poos in 24 hours. So what comes in must come out- kina life if you went on one of those survivor shows and all you had to eat today is like this little grasshopper so you don't get voted off the island. You aren't having eight poos that day. Your body is using every little bit of that grasshopper to help you scale the next wall or do whatever you need to do. The same is true with your baby. When they're getting enough intake they're letting it go because they don't need it that much.
Amanda Gorman:That totally makes sense. Thanks. Okay, so next question here is, are there any signs to know when baby is full?
Ann Bennett:A brand new baby can fool you. The- an early baby is the 35 weekers. I call them the great pretenders, because they have fooled me before, because they're not really ready to be born. And so they're sleepy. For a full term baby, seeing if they're asleep after they nurse and you can lay them down is a really good indication that they're doing well. A baby who's hungry won't do that. But the whole picture is kind of what you're looking at. Babies nurse for all kinds of reasons, only one of which is hunger. So the baby can nurse because they're hot or cold or overstimulated or under stimulated or the doorbell rang and freaked them out. I mean all kinds of reasons. So just because your baby wants to nurse doesn't necessarily mean they're not getting enough. So when you're talking about fullness, you're looking at the whole picture. How does your baby look? Do they have chubby cheeks? Are they growing in size? Are they growing out of their diaper size? How many diapers are they having? Is their diaper count six to 10 wet and at least two poos in a day? And how is their growth at the pediatrician? So all of those things give you an idea on is my baby full, is my baby doing well. Baby's needs to nurse are high when they're little, especially when your milk is coming in, because they're pulling that really thick colostrum out to try and bring in the milk. And that's what we want. Frequent milk removal equals frequent milk production.
Amanda Gorman:All right, I'm getting it. So are there ways for a mom to make more milk or to make less milk if that's necessary?
Ann Bennett:Well, there are always ways to increase your milk supply. But the big question is, is your milk supply really low? So a lot of people compare their milk supply to their neighbor and their neighbor has this deep freeze full of like 5 million bags of milk because her body thinks she's nursing more than one baby. So that's not a real accurate measure. If your baby is not gaining well, and their baby's not having diapers, increasing your milk supply, the number one thing is milk removal. There's also some galactagogues which is just a fancy word for herbal things that you can take, you can also add in some pumping. Again, more milk removal means more milk production, it's a little bit of reverse psychology. So you have to open your mind for it. The emptier your breasts are, the faster you're making milk. The emptier your breasts are, the faster you make milk. The fuller your breasts are the slower you're making. So when you're nursing, nursing nursing, you're actually making milk really quickly. When you leave milk sitting in there and you feel really full, your bo- you're telling your body, hey, no one's eating at this restaurant, let's just close down for the next day. So really not waiting until your breasts get super full, or using your breasts fullness as a guide, especially after the first couple of weeks isn't really reliable. But there are always ways to increase your milk supply, if that's what you need to do, or decrease your milk supply if you've got enough milk for a small industrialized country.
Amanda Gorman:Oh, man. Okay, so I know many women who pump and feed their baby a bottle, just so they can know exactly how much baby's getting. Is that what you really need to do?
Ann Bennett:Well, the pump is not the baby, and the bottle is not the breast. The bottle works very differently than the breast and it's not a bad thing. It's just like, you know, the straw works different than drinking out of an open cup. So fun with the bottle. I mean, you're, you're you're try this at home, turn the bottle upside down, over the sink- not with breast milk, just with water- and watch it drip. I mean, it drips, you don't have to do anything to suck on it to do anything. But your breast doesn't do that. Unless you're really engorged or your milk is just coming in, your breasts don't just drip milk while they sit in your baby's mouth. Your baby has to suck for the milk to come out. So, you know the same principle is a little bit confusing when you're thinking this is how much they drink in the bottle, and this is how much they drink at the breast. Because it doesn't work the same way you're- for how much sucking equals how much milk. You know, on a bottle, they can get their first suck can be this huge bolus of milk in their mouth. But the breast they're going to have about six or seven sucks until the milk starts flowing. And that's not the breast is broken. That's just how the breast works. You know, it's, it's kind of think about if you have to pee. When you sit down to pee, you don't immediately pee, your body says, oh, we're pee. And that's how the breast works is when your baby gets on, they start sucking, they're like, oh, yeah, we're making milk. And then you start to gradually make milk. So how a baby drinks the bottle, and the delivery may make it- because it's really different than how the breast works, it's not really a good judge, because it's like comparing, you know, picking wild flowers to picking oranges. You're picking something but they're really different.
Amanda Gorman:Now- but that really makes a lot of sense. So when a mom is, you know, receiving cues, whether it's from the baby, or from her breasts feeling full, where should she really be taking those cues from first. From the baby or from the way her breasts feel?
Ann Bennett:Well, we call it a dyad. And a dyad means a mom and a baby and it's together. So you're looking at both of each other. Because if you just listen to one, you're not going to be happy. If your baby's screaming bloody murder, and you feel like your breasts feel empty, you can always put your baby on because your breasts are never really empty. Remember, the emptier your breasts are the faster you're making milk. If you feel like Pamela Anderson meets Dolly Parton and your baby's totally asleep, you're gonna either have to hand express a little, pump a little bit with a hand pump, or wake your baby up to take the pressure off. So you kind of have to look at both people, you're not independent. Think of it as being pregnant. You know, if you want to sleep and the baby's kicking you, you're not really sleeping. You have to look at both of you and make a decision together. And sometimes you're going to be looking at the baby's cue. And sometimes you're gonna be looking at your queue. You just have to be- you think of yourselves as a breastfeeding team.
Amanda Gorman:Totally. All right, well, these are such great tips. We are going to take a short break, but we'll be back with more from you and in just a minute. So hang tight. Like many of us, I've been trying to use less plastic in our household. I just tried Shambar, a new sulfate free shampoo and conditioner in a bar and it blew me away. Here's what I loved about Shambar. No yucky stuff, no synthetic fragrances or harsh color fading sulfates. As a mom, it feels good to know that I'm using a safer product, that my hair is healthier, and it's saving me more trips to the salon for coloring and more highlights. Each Shambar replaces two 18 ounce single use plastic bottles. It's a family business and for every order they donate a month's worth of soap to a family in need. What a relevant give back to make sure all families have the resources that they need. A win win. Get your first bar absolutely free when you use the code first free. All one word f-i-r-s-t f-r-e-e on one of their flexible, cancel anytime, super easy subscriptions. Find out more at shambar.com. All right, we are back with Ann Bennett IBCLC extraordinaire, talking about everything a new mama needs to know about milk supply. So now that we've covered the basics, let's jump into some more specific questions. What is foremilk? And what is hindmilk?
Ann Bennett:You can think of it as you're upstairs in a two story house and you go on to turn the water. So you're turning the water on to wash your hands. We all should be washing our hands even more, so you're washing your hands, the water doesn't immediately get hot, it takes a little minute for the water to get hot. And if you leave the hot water going and you know, go chase your children around if it's you, Amanda, or, you know, answer the doorbell or something and you come back, the water is gonna get cooler and cooler and cooler. And that's how foremilk hindmilk works. The foremilk is the very first milk and it's not bad. It's for quenching thirst. So real research here. They looked at women who were in- working outside in this study, and their body temperature was hotter, and they pumped their milk. Their milk was thinner, because their body knew they were hotter. So it assumes their baby's gonna be hotter. So they're making milk to quench thirst. So the first milk is thirst quenching. How it changes has a lot of- there are a lot of factors. One of them is time of day. Your middle of the night milk is your highest fat calorie milk in 24 hours. So when your baby gets on in the middle of the night, they may only have two or three sucks before they're getting into heavy cream meats guacamole milk. So it's really high fat, and it doesn't- it also has things in it that help your baby sleep. So there are special hormones in the middle of the night milk that help your baby go to sleep faster, and also help you sleep- go to sleep better with the prolactin oxytocin that your body is making making the milk. So that milk is a different composition than the milk you make in the morning. It's a different composition than milk you make in the afternoon. It also changes in time of baby, when your baby is really little, they're getting to the hindmilk a lot quicker because the nursing session is a lot shorter. How the baby sucks also determines when you get to the foremilk hindmilk. Your baby gets on and they're just like little light sucking. It's thin milk to quen- quench thirst. If they get on and they're like suck suck suck suck, then it gets higher fat [unknown] really quickly because your body thinks ruh roh, this person wants Thanksgiving dinner. So it's really about time of day, age of baby, and how your baby sucks that makes the formilk hindmilk combination. People who are having a problem with the foremilk hindmilk, the easy sign is every single diaper the baby has is going to be green. And I'm not talking green like, you know, you have to hold it up to the line and call seven people in to look at it to decide if it's green. It's like someone took an avocado and mushed it in the diaper. I mean, it's like green apple, avocado green, where you look at it, you're like what? So that's a sign that they may be getting too much foremilk. And usually that goes with a mom who's having oversupply. So she has so much milk that the baby gets on, and they nurse, but there's so much milk there that they just take a lot of the first milk and then they're full. That make sense?
Amanda Gorman:Yeah, no, that's great. So, do- but both moms have both for milk. I'm sorry. All moms have both?
Ann Bennett:All moms have both all times throughout the day, all throughout the ages of their baby.
Amanda Gorman:Got it. Okay. So next, I want to know, is it normal for one breast to produce more milk than the other?
Ann Bennett:This can happen. So no one's breasts are exactly the same size. Just like your kneecaps are not exactly the same size. But you wouldn't know that unless you stared at your kneecap 10 times a day for an hour looking at them. So usually people don't notice that they have breast size difference. The thing that can happen with one- one breast makes more than the other, one breast is slightly bigger to start with than the other or one breast is favored more than the other. The- remember milk removal equals milk production. So a lot of times when I see this, it's the mom's dominant hand. So she may be right handed, so she's nursing in her left more, because she's doing things with her right hand. And so that left side gets nursed on more without even her really realizing it. Because she's cooking, tying older persons, you know, shoes, reading older person book, you know, holding her own book, holding her own phone, you know, those are all things that you're doing with your dominant hand. So you tend to stay on that other side a little bit longer. And then over time because you're nursing on that side longer, that side ends up producing more than the other.
Amanda Gorman:Very interesting. Question about twin and triplet mamas. How, what do they do? They- do they need to do anything specific to increase their supply? Does their natural- their milk supply naturally differ because their body knows that they're feeding more than one baby? How does that work?
Ann Bennett:That's a great question. We have a lot of people on our team of IBCLCs, who haven't had nurse twins. So you know, if y'all haven't thought about doing a show on twins, I think that would be great because they can really speak to having to nurse twins. But I've worked with a ton of moms who nurse twins. And the remember we talked about at the beginning when the placenta detaches from the uterus, that's the body's first signal to make milk. So nursing the twins right away, gives you that breast stimulation on both sides, you got the double signal, you got the signal coming from the placenta. Or if you have two placentas, both placentas detach, and then you have the signal coming from the breast stimulation. And so your body's like, let's do this. So for all moms we recommend that they do hand expression into a spoon after each feed for the first 24-48 hours until their milk comes in. And they can use that spoon of milk just to slip down their baby's mouth. This is just kind of your insurance policy. And remember, milk removal equals milk production. So it really helps to be removing and removing and removing with the twins. Having them nurse- if for any reason they aren't nursing or they're early, you definitely want to pump to get that stimulation. Most women make milk for about two babies. You know, when your milk comes in your body doesn't know if you had one baby or two babies. That's why you have this engorgement period. So in the case of a twin mom, you're just sustaining that. I've worked with one woman who nursed four babies, and she was able to do it. She had four placentas, four babies, you know, she nursed them exclusively till they were six months. She had a team of people helping her. I mean, I would be over there and there would be like a group of guys who would just come over in the afternoon, a group of dads, and vacuum. There's like seven people and vacuum cleaners going around the house. I'm like what is it? She's like, go to the vacuum. I mean, she did it because she wasn't doing anything but nursing babies. That's it. People brought her food, people changed diapers, people did laundry. So the biggest thing for nursing multiples is having support.
Amanda Gorman:Obviously, that sounds wonderful. I can use the vacuum team at my house.
Ann Bennett:I know how- I'm gonna come over to your house with the vacuum team. BYOB?
Amanda Gorman:Oh, gosh, okay, so as baby starts to grow, will moms need to do anything differently or anything more to produce more milk?
Ann Bennett:No, that's actually a really big question we get a lot is now that my baby's blah age, they need more milk. So your milk changes in calorie count based on the age of your baby. And this, there's a lot of research, I mean, 50 studies that support this. And one of them is where they pump mom's milk of premature infants. So people who have 20, 25, 30 weekers, they pump their milk and they look at it. It has special things to develop lung function that moms of full term babies never have in their milk. I mean, in the study, I think they pumped 6,400 women's full term milk, and no one had anything in there to develop lung function. Because your body understands how old your baby is, and goes ru roh, this person can't breathe, let's make something to help their lungs. So as your baby grows, the milk changes. So you don't keep making more and more and more and more milk as your baby gets bigger. And this is true of all mammals. I mean, you think about elephants, your mama elephant doesn't have like a huge, ginormous breast because she's nursing the 1,500 pounds three months old. She makes the same amount of milk. It's just higher in fat and calories.
Amanda Gorman:That's an image that's gonna stay in my mind.
Ann Bennett:Well, I mean think about an elephant
Amanda Gorman:No, I love it.
Ann Bennett:Think about killer whales on the bottom of the ocean going I can't swim with you girls, I'm nursing, he's as big as I am. I mean, those mammals nurse for, you know,[unknown] [unknown] for like three to five years, some of them nurse after seven years. So they're not making this huge amount of milk more and more and more and more for the seven year old elephant. It's just changes in calorie count.
Amanda Gorman:Makes makes a lot of sense.
Ann Bennett:Yeah.
Amanda Gorman:Okay, so moms come to us worried about their breast feeling deflated? Is this a sign that milk is starting to dry up?
Ann Bennett:Yes, I get this a lot at six weeks. Six weeks is the common call of like, my breasts feel like they don't have anything in them anymore. And I'm like, the next thing I say is, well, what's your baby's diaper count? And they're like, Oh, well, she's had eight poos today. And I don't even count the wet anymore. I'm like, yeah, so what comes in must come out. The way to tell how much your baby is getting is by the diapers, not how your breasts feel. There are women who never feel let down who have plenty of milk. There are women who their let down it's like pins and needles, and they have moderate milk supply. So how your breasts feel don't really necessitate, how much milk is in there. And you see this a lot with people who have a home birth. With people who have a home birth, they aren't separated from their babies because they're at home and there's nowhere for them to go. And so they don't have this 2345 day of engorgement, they have about two hours of encouragement because they're doing frequent nursing. So I think that that's a that's a myth. You know, that's kind of a myth that's out there about my breasts feel blah, therefore, I have this much milk or my I'm pumping this much, or not this much. That means I have this much milk. You know, the pump is not the baby. So how much you can pump does not mean that's how much milk is in there. And my favorite story about that is Lisa, Lisa had to do IVF and all kinds of things for her first baby. She got pregnant with her first baby, when her first baby was three months old, she got pregnant with twins, naturally. And she's nursing these babies, and she comes into my office. And she's like, I have no milk. And I look at them. And they're like sumo wrestlers. I mean, they're like, you could put one cloth on them and have them go to the mat. I mean, their rolls have had babies. I'm like, are you supplementing? She's like, no, this is not me. But I just can't pump. I don't have any milk in there. So we try, like she bought four or five different pumps, which I do not recommend, but she had five different pumps that we hooked up and put on because she thought it was the pump. So she just kept buying new pumps. And we pumped for like an hour, not even a drop. And then we nursed them, weighed, then nursed and weighed them. They each transferred, you know, two to half three ounces each. So she had plenty of milk, she just didn't respond to the pump. So I point that as an illustration, because so many people get discouraged, because they're not able to pump. And the truth is some people just can't pump and it doesn't mean you don't have any milk. One of the people like[unknown] on our team, when she went back to work, she would have to pump two pumps to get two ounces. And that's normal. Totally normal.
Amanda Gorman:Oh, good. Well, that's probably really reassuring for a lot of our moms listening. So thank you.
Ann Bennett:Yeah.
Amanda Gorman:Okay, so moms that need to go back to work, how do they know how much milk to leave with their daycare providers?
Ann Bennett:So a full feed is two ounces. So when I just had a going back to mom call right before this call. And the idea is to force the cluster feed in the morning. So let's say you have to leave for work at nine. So you would get up about 10 minutes earlier than you would before you need to get ready, nurse your baby then, then like get ready, take a shower, put on your clothes, nurse your baby then, then eat your breakfast, get your bag ready, get your baby's bag ready, sit down right before you walk in the door and nurse one more time. So when you get to the daycare, and this is a good tip, when you get to daycare, if you can nurse at the daycare, you're breathing in the germs from the daycare and you're making antibodies to them. Mom, see, this is actually a real study, I'm not even making this up. Mom, if you've nursed before or before drop off or after drop off or at lunch compared to moms who are just giving their pumped milk to the daycare. The babies who are nursed after daycare, were 96% less sick than the moms who are just giving pumped milk because the antibodies to the daycare are being breathed in by the mom and they're made in your milk right there. So forcing the cluster feed before you go, nursing at the daycare, and then you need about two ounces every two to three hours. The idea of forcing the cluster feed before you leave is you leave your baby stuffed like a tick. I mean, you could press on them and like milk shoots out and your breast feel glorious. You could run through the woods braless with woodland creatures prancing beside you and feel nothing. So that way you could go three to four hours before your first pump. Because it's stressful, especially when you're going back to work. And there's so much to do right when you get there to have to stop right away and pump. So you have the cluster feed, you go to work, you can go through hours, your baby can go three or four hours. And then every two to three hours, you're leaving about two ounces. And then this is the tricky part. The pickup, you don't want your baby stuffed with two ounces of pumped milk when you get there. But on the other hand, you don't want your caregiver to have screaming bloody murder baby waiting for you. So the solution is to freeze in two ounces and then half an ounce and one ounce. So they can kind of have the chips and salsa course right before you get there. So they're satisfied but not full. Because when they see you, they're gonna want to nurse and when you see them, that's such a great connection for our working moms to be able to come in and have that reconnection time with their baby.
Amanda Gorman:Great ideas. You're the best. And every time I talk to you, I really learn a ton of new things. I know we could go on all day, but unfortunately, we don't have too much time left for this episode. But it's really been such a pleasure having you as our guest and I definitely hope you'll be back again to talk about more titillating topics. So for any of our-
Ann Bennett:I would love-
Amanda Gorman:Yes, no, no, no, I just wanted to give you a chance to let our listeners know where they can find you if they want to get in touch.
Ann Bennett:Well, I was just gonna say I would love to come back again because like I said, I think this is such a great way. I love podcasts myself. And I feel like when you're a new mom and your baby's nursing frequently, it's nice to listen to something about nursing and just to give you some extra info to kind of make your day a little bit peppier. And I hope we've done that for our listeners. But for me, I'm online at nestcollaborative.com. You can make an appointment. I'm here Monday, Tuesday, Wednesdays, anyone on our team can help you if it's not a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. I love connecting with moms to do a prenatal class. We offer those if you can't get to a preno class. That's why I wrote my book. It's called The Breastfeeding Class You Never Had. It's available online at Amazon, or if you're local at BookPeople or wherever books are sold.
Amanda Gorman:Fantastic. Thank you so much for being such a great resource for our moms. What a wonderful chat today.
Ann Bennett:Oh, it's my pleasure. Thank you for having me.
Amanda Gorman:Of course. Well, mamas and mamas to be that is our show for today. I hope you did learn a few things about how your body works, and more importantly, just how amazing it really is. We know breastfeeding can be hard and we appreciate you trusting us to help you along through your journey. As always, we want to talk about the topics that you're interested in. So please drop us a line at www.breastfeedingunplugged.com or send us a message on Facebook or Instagram@breastfeedingunplugged. And please don't be shy. Until next week it's me, Amanda, sending you plenty of good vibes. Boo bye. [Outro]