RE-Release: Episode 2 - Interview with Stefani Lewis and Jaxon Woods!

Collin, Heather and Kristin interview Stefani Lewis (Costume Designer for Netflix's "Ozark") and her husband Jaxon Woods, who is a camera operator. 

Additionally, Jeff is welcomed to the podcast as a show producer and Kacey as a social media manager. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

Hey everyone, welcome back to Call Time, your podcast for event workers, hosted by Colin, Kristen, and Heather. Thanks for joining us.

SPEAKER_08 0:20

Well, it's been a little bit since the last time we were here, and we're going to do a deep dive today into all of that. How COVID took our momentum, queued it up, split it out, and how it seems like we took two steps forward and one step back. And how all of this is now a genuine mental health issue. But before we get too far into the weeds, let's say hi. Hey everybody, I'm Kristen.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

I'm Colin.

SPEAKER_08 0:55

Hey, and I'm Heather.

SPEAKER_00 0:57

Let's dive right in. Today is our first interview. We talked to Stephanie Lewis, the costume designer for the Netflix series Ozark. Let's hear it for Ozark.

SPEAKER_07 1:06

Woo! Ozark.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

Yes. We also chatted with her husband, a camera operator, Jackson Woods. They are such a great down-to-earth couple who has really rolled with the punches that COVID has thrown. Can't wait for you guys to hear it. However, before we get back to that interview, we have a new team member. We're going to introduce Jeff, aka DJ Dino. He's a long time, yes, that's uh here for Dino. He's not with us recording today, but he will be on future recordings. You will hear him in the interview with Stephanie and Jackson. Jeff has a lot of expertise and years of service in working with the uh event industry. He's got experience with podcasting and live producing and recording along amongst many other of his talents. He's an all-around BAMF, and we're excited to have him as a part of the production team. Let's hear it for Jeff.

SPEAKER_08 1:54

Woo! Um, Colin, I'm a little sad that I'm gonna have to explain BAMF to my mom because she listens. So thanks for that, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 2:04

Well, this is a children's podcast, so we can't spell it.

SPEAKER_05 2:07

Put a disclaimer somewhere. That's right.

unknown 2:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 2:10

Um, so we're also gonna go ahead and officially introduce our social media manager, Casey. Casey has worked with the three of us uh here in Denver and has this incredible knack for all things social media. It just made sense that we brought her onto this team. So if you'd like to learn more about Casey, check out her incredibly powerful blog, Beautiful Brokenness, at www.beautiful-brokenness.com. So welcome Casey and everyone just keep following our social media to see her great work. Amen.

SPEAKER_00 2:45

Yay, Casey.

SPEAKER_05 2:48

I like this.

SPEAKER_08 2:52

This is our last episode. The number of COVID-related deaths in the country has risen to nearly half a million. The NFL, at least here in Denver, got back up, sort of, and then shut back down. And we are still waiting for our concerts to come back. COVID, though, hit our team here at Call Time for Events really hard. We've had family members of our team members lose their battle with this infuriating virus, and two of our team actually got COVID. The team as a whole hasn't been in the same room since last October, and it's hard to tell if it's getting better when the light at the end of the tunnel seems to be getting farther away.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

I tell you, this COVID stuff is no big no joke at all. It's a big deal. I had it for uh what seemed like forever. I had been diagnosed at the second half of December and had all of the symptoms that you've heard about. I'm not gonna get into those, but yes, I had all of them with the exception of the pneumonia uh part of it. I was thankful for that, but the the shortness of breath, the fatigue, all that stuff. And a lot of that is still with me, and I still don't think I've regained my sense of smell back all the way or my sense of taste, however. Uh the late like just makes you lazy, it makes you want to sleep. It's hard to maintain high levels of energy. I gained weight, just very, very bad all around. So the the the mental aspect of it, uh, I know Heather, you're gonna talk a lot about that too, but the mental aspect of it is no joke either, of the just the fatigue of all of it. So with with all of us dealing with this for almost a year and then getting it, it was just it's it's not fun. So if any of you have gotten it as well, uh I hope you have a speedy recovery and not long-lasting after effects, but it isn't it is not something to mess with.

SPEAKER_08 4:35

It shut us down and just you getting sick. I'm so glad you're better.

SPEAKER_00 4:39

Shut me down for over a month. So I get it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 4:42

Heather, how's it going on your end? Yeah, on my end, I, you know, have been lucky enough to not be diagnosed with COVID. However, you know, I have been dealing for probably the first time in my life, really uh my first experience, my first true experience with any type of anxiety. I mean, this COVID fatigue is just really hitting me hard. And it just feels like it's compounding by the day. I mean, for me personally, my pre-COVID escape used to be attending shows, attending concerts, and also traveling. And both of those have just been wiped straight out of my schedule from this virus. And so just because I haven't physically gotten the virus, I mean, I've definitely um it's hit me hard in my own personal way, and I'm sure, like we'll talk about later, it's hit a lot of people in a lot of different ways being so isolated. So what about you, Kristen? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_08 5:35

Um, I like you have been blessed, and I have not been diagnosed with COVID. Um, and that's good because I'm actually a respiratory risk, so we don't want that. So I'm I'm incredibly thankful for that. Um, however, I will say that I'm I'm frustrated with um I guess the public. I guess that's I guess that's the best way to say it. Because the other day I was at a store and they had their sign up that said wear masks, and you go into the store and you don't expect everybody. I mean, we worked a couple of football games, y'all know, not everybody's gonna follow the rule, and people have their opinions about that, and that's fine. Um, but the rule is the rule. The rule is wear a mask. That's the rule, right? And so just follow the rules. So I was in the store, and I would say it was 50-50. Half the people were wearing a mask, half were not. And so I happened to find a really nice person working in the store, and I asked, um, because I was able to ask, I asked nicely and not confrontationally why they weren't enforcing their mask rule, their mask mandate. And he looked me dead in the eye and said, We do not get paid enough. The stuff that people say to us and try to do to us when we ask them to put a mask on, we don't get paid enough to do. And my heart broke because that's unacceptable. They're just doing their job. They're just doing their job. And the rest of us can't get back to our job that we want so desperately with events because of people like that who are harassing and bullying people in stores. That's just that's I'm really sad right now. That's where I am with this whole thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:18

It sounds like it's across the board just fatiguing and draining on all levels, physically, emotionally, spiritually. The mental health aspect of it is so huge.

SPEAKER_05 7:28

Absolutely, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 7:30

Hopefully, there's not a light at the end of the tunnel.

SPEAKER_05 7:32

Oh, yeah. Well, there are new updates about what we should do to reopen almost daily. So, from our nation's government to our own industry's leaders, uh, A IAVM, which is the International Association of Venue Managers, they release new articles regularly discussing the topic of how to safely and strategically return to work where fans are present. Yes. So um at least now there has been mentioned by several entities that the entertainment industry and its workers need support. So we still need answers and we're still waiting. This brings up the question: is there still work out there for you guys? So for us, for everyone? What do you guys think?

SPEAKER_08 8:14

I think there's I think there's work. I think it's hard to find. Um I I actually am blessed to have a full-time job, which is which is not something that very many of us can say. And that full-time job is in theatrical and event lighting, so it's kind of like event work adjacent. And I can tell you that we're getting busier, so I'm hoping that's an indication that there's more work coming. But getting down into the events with the fans, I mean, I came and went with the game, the Broncos games here. When they got back up, I worked, and when they didn't, I haven't been back, but I know you guys have done a couple things. Um, I don't know. I don't know if the work's out there. I I hope that it's coming back. It looks like it might be on my end.

SPEAKER_05 8:56

Yeah, I've definitely done what have, you know, little breadcrumbs of things here and there, whatever is available. And, you know, uh mostly, almost completely, it's been outside uh environments, which is considered safer. So I've just taken what has um been available, and you know, just everyone's just kind of doing their own thing and maybe not boasting about it because not everyone gets the opportunity to work like we used to be. So it's just taking it day by day and just trying to be positive about everything. Amen.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

Yeah, amen to that. Just same here, just like you, Heather, have been working a couple different places, a couple small events. Uh, I mean, they normally wouldn't be small events, but they are right now. And, you know, seeing the the different approach that different places have with the way that they handle COVID, and it's interesting how so many of the venues around the Denver metro area take it extremely seriously, and that's refreshing to see that because we've all been hit so hard, and they know that in order for us to be able to be at full strength, is we've got to be able to get past this sooner than later. And it is really great to be able to see the commitment that all of these venues uh have had around the metro area that have been open uh with the way that they take it and uh the way that they're handling even the the athletes or uh the staff, everybody take it very, very seriously, and and it it's what is it what we want? No, it's not what we want. We want to have you know screaming fans all over the place, but it's what we're gonna take for right now. And the one thing that I still think about now is how weird it's going to be when we have fans back. Because now we're at almost a year of no fans, and uh when we do get fans back, it is going to be very strange. And it's going to be weird when we have no mask mandates. It's gonna be very weird to adjust back to life. Now, in a couple of years, we'll look back at all this and say, hey, you remember all that? But the last thing that we're really gonna talk about, though, before we get into uh into the interview is how this pandemic is becoming uh and has been uh become a real mental health crisis. And that's I I think the tone of all this discussion. And the Kaiser Family Foundation reported that 32% increase in the reporting of mental health issues just from July to August of 2020. What is uh more astonishing is that the U.S. Census Bureau reported that a full 42% of adults in the United States reported symptoms of mental health issues related to their dealing with COVID. With everything else going on, a mental health pandemic is about the last thing that we need. So, what can be done?

SPEAKER_08 11:44

Well, I'm glad you asked. All right, so our friends at the CDC they have a whole list of stuff up on their website. And one of the things they put up there, and I say, Colin, you like this one because you and I have talked about this, with groups of people and classes we've taught together. One of the things they put on their website is self-care. Take, put yourself first and partake in some self-care. And I'm talking self-care is not, it's it's not a trendy word. Um, it's not a way to give yourself permission to take a bubble bath. I'm talking about the vital component to making sure you are okay, making sure your overall health is intact. Self-care can't and should include things like saying no to a request when you know that you aren't firing on all cellular. But don't be afraid to set boundaries and just say, hey, you know what? I need this space and I need this time. And it's it's not about putting yourself before everybody and it's not about putting yourself first. It's about putting your oxygen mask on first before you can assist those around you. And so there's this Zen philosophy that says that if you can't meditate for one hour a day, then meditate for two. And I think that's a really good thing to keep in mind. I'm not saying go and meditate, but I am saying if you can't find five minutes in your day to spend on yourself, then you need to find ten because you're not putting yourself in a position to take care of yourself effectively at all. So whatever self-care looks like to you, make time and take care of you.

SPEAKER_05 13:20

So they also suggest more sleep and a better diet, which is a given, but a really big one is just to turn off the news. So actively avoid the information that is coming at you from all directions 24-7 about COVID. We've all experienced it. Take a break from the news, social media, literally anything that's COVID-related. We understand that sometimes you can't get away from all of the information. The news is on in the morning, and when you get home at night, for most people, vice versa. So it's also on our phones and car radios and literally everywhere we look. It's up to you to self-impose a media blackout. It'll help you decompress and recharge, which is so absolutely necessary sometimes. Agreed. Turn it off.

SPEAKER_00 14:10

Raise your raise your hand if you remember what time you had to be home as a kid. It was when the streetlights came on, right? So honestly, we weren't playing with our phones or anything like that. And the only way you knew where your friends were was by where their bikes were parked. At any rate, but uh most importantly with all of this is you have to talk, talk, talk to your friends, talk to your family, spiritual leader, whomever it is that you have available, and do not be afraid to share your current state of mind. Articulate what you need. Uh, we have put so many resources on our social media. Contact us if you need to. We will get you help that you need. Here are some resources uh that you can Google right now to check it out. Uh, you can also look at our Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter for more numbers and websites. But obviously, call 911. Hopefully, you don't need to Google how to call 911. But please make sure that you use 911. Um, you can use the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline. Uh, that is uh uh 1-800 suicide, is simply the number that you need for that. You can also contact the Lifeline Crisis Chat, Google that as well. Also look at our social media for that. Heather, you have some other yeah.

SPEAKER_05 15:10

In addition, there's also the National Domestic Violence Hotline, National Child Abuse Hotline, the National Sexual Assault Hotline, and all three of these are incredibly important resources. And thankfully, they are all operating 24 hours a day, you guys. They're always accessible. And call those for other people if you need to.

SPEAKER_08 15:31

Absolutely. Because I don't I don't think people call for themselves enough.

SPEAKER_00 15:35

Especially now.

SPEAKER_08 15:36

Um, finally, yeah, especially now. Finally, give a shot um if you need it. Call the veterans crisis line and the elder care locator, a really cool resource um for helping find help and care that you need to assist you in caring for the elderly people in your lives. This is a really great resource because our elderly population is suffering probably worse than most of us. So we need to really really do that. Links are up on our social media and uh and always on the Center for Disease Control's website. We are a place for event workers, the good, the bad, and the ugly.

SPEAKER_00 16:16

Yes, we are, and we are here for all event workers of whatever your job is, uh, whatever your position is in any kind of event or any kind of entertainment industry. And to that end, we are going to throw it over to our interview now, where we are going to hear from Stephanie Lewis and Jackson Woods. So take it away.

SPEAKER_08 16:43

Before we get started, we're gonna introduce the newest part member of our team, Holland. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

Uh just want to welcome Jeff, aka the Dino. Uh he's gonna be our live time producer or real-time producer, so welcome aboard, Jeff.

SPEAKER_07 16:58

Yeah, boy.

SPEAKER_08 16:58

Thank you. We're excited to have you. Okay, today we are thrilled to have Stephanie and Jackson. So, Stephanie and Jackson are members of the event industry on the TV film side of things, working behind the camera, um, keeping all of the things that we'd love to watch going. Uh, Stephanie, you are the currently you are the costume designer for the Netflix series Ozark, and we're gonna talk about that. And Jackson, you are a camera operator, director of photography, all things camera related. And we're gonna jump into that. So thank you for being here with us. We're super excited to talk to you. Yeah, and so we're gonna start. Yeah, welcome. Um, so we're gonna start with you, Stephanie. Um, first of all, Ozark, fully addictive show. I won't let my mom watch it, but I can't wait for season four. And you're on set right now for season four, yeah?

SPEAKER_06 17:52

We are trying to be on set for season four right now. We are doing our best with the global pandemic and COVID protocols, but we are slowly shooting season four. Yes.

SPEAKER_08 18:04

I'm so excited because I will tell you, and you all can jump in if you want to. But season three, the last episode, the last moment of last episode, I was without the ability to breathe. I was so shocked. And I think that's exactly what it should do. But now I my life is you know ruined because there's no season four. I need it.

SPEAKER_06 18:22

And who knows at this point when we're actually gonna finish it and when it's gonna come out. So don't hold your breath too long.

SPEAKER_08 18:28

I lost such a good show. So heavily, oh, so heavily addicted. And I believe that Colin, you've introduced a few people to the show. And a binge worthy thing in your house, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:42

Yeah, we've been uh we we we watched a lot of it um over the holidays and whatnot, and coming up on the last like three, maybe four episodes of the third season. So we're trying not to go too fast because we know we have to wait quite a while for the rest of it to come out.

SPEAKER_06 18:58

Final fourth season right now, and we have 14 episodes to get through. Um, we're just working on the first three right now, and it's slow going.

SPEAKER_08 19:06

So all right. Well, I'm gonna start with a question, Stephanie. How so I know how you go and you you get a degree in costume design and you decide you love this, but how do you get a job like designer of a Netflix series? How'd you get this job? How'd you get Ozark?

SPEAKER_06 19:20

I think about this a lot because I think about I want to say it was luck, but I also know that I worked really hard to get to where I am, and I'm not sure where those cross paths or like how much luck and how much hard work it was, but it was a lot of being in the right place at the right time and also just like throwing myself into it. Um waking up at 4 a.m. and having to like get people's coffee and breakfast burritos and steam clothes and do returns, like I would have way rather gone to school for just like six hours. That's way easier. Um so that's kind of how I got started. As you know, I grew up in New Mexico and I was a theater costume design major at the University of New Mexico. And during that time, the film incentives were coming to New Mexico, and there wasn't a big film program at the college. So we were lucky enough as design students in the theater program to be able to take independent studies and be PAs or interns on movies. I think this was still in the time when you could have interns that didn't even have to have college credits, like, but we had such a small department that my professors were allowing us to like go PA and I'll give you college credit. Um, we could call this some sort of like study that you did. And they were really willing to work with us because the incentives were so strong coming into New Mexico and it's pretty early on in that. So I got that's why I said was lucky because I got in at the ground floor. When I graduated, um I had I swore to have my foot in the door, and I got my first job as an additional seamstress on the movie No Country for Old Men, which is kind of crazy because I now as a designer would not hire myself as a seamstress on that movie. Um I wouldn't even hire myself as a seamstress on any of the movies I do. So that shows how much like they needed local hires and maybe I'm cutting myself a little bit short, but um you know, it's just right place at right time.

SPEAKER_00 21:41

That's great.

SPEAKER_08 21:42

That's great.

SPEAKER_05 21:44

So, Jackson, tell us about how you got your current job and like what your career path was.

SPEAKER_04 21:50

Um, so I'm a camera operator. Um, and I went to film school in Vancouver and then came down to Los Angeles and kind of uh worked on. You know, a lot of pretty terrible projects, just kind of trying to meet as many people as I could basically and make a name for yourself, as it were.

unknown 22:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:09

Yeah, kind of you just get on people's radar. Like it's very social how everyone pretty much in the film industry gets their work. Like, so you know, if you have a good experience with people on a job and you didn't mess it up too bad, you're probably gonna work with them again, you know.

SPEAKER_08 22:23

Yeah, yeah. In the theater world, we say don't burn bridges because there's only six people in theater and you're gonna work with all of them.

SPEAKER_07 22:31

Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_08 22:32

So, you know, and it it it gets sometimes you'll go from job to job and you'll do really great things, and then uh you will meet that person you don't necessarily connect with, and you're like, you really have to do some soul searching on whether or not you want to maintain that bridge because they could be connected to the person at your next job, and it's it's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 22:50

It's fun with freelance too, because the like the idea of not burning bridges, like you know, each job has its own dynamic, and you have your own dynamic within that job, and so does everyone you work with. So, someone you might, you know, not get along with on a particular job. Next time you see them, they they might be your best friend on that job based off of what the circumstances are. So it's yeah, it's really important not to burn bridges.

SPEAKER_06 23:09

Jackson and I have this conversation a lot where it's like, I don't know if I really did all say, like, I don't know if I did a good job on that project, but I think they thought it was cool, you know. So, like sometimes it is just more about your relationship. Like they were like, Okay, I could work with her. Like, maybe she didn't do the best job and she didn't do the worst job, but she was like at least a pleasure to work with, so we'll bring her back.

SPEAKER_08 23:34

Yeah, that's that's so important. I mean, if you don't get along with people, maybe find a whole nother industry. So, you all so we're gonna talk about COVID, because that's kind of the deep dive that we're doing right now. Um, and I know that we've had a chance to have some previous conversations to this um about your time at Ozark and being on the set, and you're still there. We're talking to you right now, and you're in Atlanta on on set. That is correct, correct, yeah. But you're shut down.

SPEAKER_06 24:05

Right. We are shut down right now.

SPEAKER_08 24:06

So I was so excited to hear that Ozark was back up and running because I thought maybe, you know, this whole time we're gonna take our lead from the TV and film industry. Because if you remember it when everything shut down, sports shut down, Broadway shut down, and then you know, the the dominoes fell, and we kind of were looking to TV and film to maybe if you guys can get back up, the rest of us can. So, what happened?

SPEAKER_06 24:29

There's a lot of things that happened, and I do have to say, like, from what I've heard from from this shutdown from our producers, is I'm glad we're shut down. Because I would rather work in a safe environment than or not work and be shut down in an unsafe environment and let them figure out what they need to do to make our environment safe. So, this is a learning process for everyone. You know, the producers don't know what they're doing, even our COVID people. We have a whole COVID team who's on, but they don't work with productions, they work with infectious diseases in the world. Like they don't know how how incestuous film crews are, which is crazy. And they're like telling us to stay six feet apart. And we're like, mm-hmm, okay, we're gonna stay six feet apart.

SPEAKER_00 25:20

So this is my sister over here. Are you kidding?

SPEAKER_06 25:22

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And we're in a fourth season show where everyone's family, and it's really easy. Like, I'm sure we could all kind of understand if anyone saw their family over the holidays. I know I did, and like I was like a little bit too lenient with my family, and later I was like, was that safe? I don't know if it was, but like that's kind of how it feels on Ozark because we are so close. Um, so there's all these protocols that are in place, and we don't know what goes wrong or how the protocols don't work until they don't. It's only whenever something falls through the crack and a big mess up happens, then we learn where like the holes were.

SPEAKER_05 26:08

Like what not to do.

SPEAKER_06 26:10

Yeah, exactly. So, like recently, our head caterer, this is why we're shut down for two reasons. Um, our head caterer has COVID. He's serving food to everybody. Um, these caterers all live in the same house and travel in the same vehicles to and from set. Um, but then we have a contact tracing method. And when we contact trace who, and it's just a word of mouth, like you say, hey hoodie, you think you've been around for 15 minutes, you know, and they say it, and these names came in, and it was like, yeah, I don't know. Like, I think there's more names than that. Or like, how can that be true? And also, like, we all ate the food from these people, even if all those names were true. So the caterer was the big one that shut us down this time. And um, then we had a stand-in who unfortunately, you know, is really close to all the actors and really close to all the camera operators. And that was the other main reason is our whole camera department went down because they were in close contact for longer than 15 minutes, even though they were all wearing masks all the time, they're just taking uber precautions. And the one good thing about Ozark, I do have to say, is we haven't had an outbreak. Like we've had a lot of positive tests. I think there's like over 50 positive tests, but it hasn't been a big outbreak.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

Is that like staggered or not all at once?

SPEAKER_06 27:52

Um, it's been since since October. We've had a test. Yeah. Wow. So there's kind of the contact tracing that my that our production is trying to figure out right now, and I have to have a Zoom meeting on Monday, like as a department head before we come back to talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 28:13

Because that sounds a lot like what we've had to go through here too, with some of the events that we get going where they when the uh a new venue is opening up or having fans or not even fans, just opening up to few employees, they're no longer saying you're not, you know, you're not gonna get it if you don't if you don't follow these rules. They just say it's only a matter of time before you get it. Yeah, and if you do get it, don't feel bad because that contact tracing can be intimidating and humiliating because you're like, oh man, like who was I around? So I I totally understand that.

SPEAKER_06 28:42

I understand that you need to be anonymous if you have contracted COVID for all these reasons of like being shamed. But on a film crew of like a hundred people, sometimes you don't remember who you were around three days ago. And you don't remember if you were around them for 15 minutes. Yeah. So there's this really tricky thing of keeping someone's privacy, but also keeping everyone else safe that we don't quite know how to deal with yet.

SPEAKER_08 29:12

That's insane. So, Jackson, I want to touch base with you because your situation was different. You're not on a, you're not, you weren't on a you weren't you finishing up a show as the pandemic hit? And so like what caused your situation?

SPEAKER_04 29:26

No, I was just about to start one.

SPEAKER_03 29:28

Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04 29:29

Yeah, so like, you know, travel arrangements were starting to be made, and like I think the night before I was supposed to fly out, like the whole project shut down.

SPEAKER_08 29:39

Ugh. And you haven't and and that's just it, no other gigs, no work, just code.

SPEAKER_04 29:45

At that time, no, nothing else came up. We were we were pretty much home for I don't even March in the time vortex of like five months. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 29:54

Yeah, March to August.

SPEAKER_04 29:55

Which was was great, you know, as long as you're not freaking out about not working and not having money. It was amazing.

SPEAKER_05 30:01

Like you're you're waiting in the wings, as they say.

SPEAKER_04 30:04

Yeah, it was it was amazing. Like we were in a new house, you know, we've got a new kid to some like a toddler now, but you know, it that was the most time by far the three of us had ever had together.

SPEAKER_06 30:16

Yeah, with our transient lifestyle, it was kind of awesome to have six months alone. That's one good thing we can say about the pandemic pandemic. We spent the most time together as a family that we ever had, but then Jackson did have to leave again because that show started up at the end of August in Atlanta.

SPEAKER_02 30:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:37

So you I went back to work first in August and flew out here to Atlanta, and it was for the same job. It's just that you know, it was X amount of months later, and the budget changes because now for COVID protocols, that every everything shifts kind of. So even though it was the same idea of a movie, it was kind of a different project.

SPEAKER_08 30:58

Oh, okay. Now I know, and I think everybody should, and we're gonna put a link to your IMDB page because it's a really fascinating, fun to look fun page to look at. But I noticed that you've done tons of TV shows and tons of movies, which I told you I've been trying to watch all of them so that I can become the Jackson expert.

SPEAKER_04 31:18

Um officially the Jackson expert.

SPEAKER_08 31:21

I love that. I love that title. Um, you I guess where I'm going with my question is um it if I were just to look at your body of work, it seems like you get more film than TV, but is that a thing? What how does that work?

SPEAKER_04 31:37

No, for me it's it's kind of all the same thing at this point. Like, um, so I'm a camera operator now, but I started as a camera assistant. There's kind of different levels for camera system, like loader, second AC, first AC, and then camera operator. Um, so when I started, I felt there was more of a difference. Like if you were in one, you didn't work as much in the other one or something like that, but I don't feel that anymore. Like it kind of seems like all it's all the same thing, and part of that might be streaming. I don't know if it's the business trend, but like I get my work socially, like we were talking about. Like, so the directors of photography that I know that like working with me, if if they get a job that could be on television or commercials, even, and they need a camera operator, hopefully they call me.

SPEAKER_00 32:25

Awesome. That's how a lot of the industry is in the entertainment world, whether it's you know, on uh where you guys are behind the scenes and behind the camera, in our experience with working with event staff. I mean, you see the same bartenders at every event, you see the same, you know, stage crew, the same security front of state, and then you you start to hear about these crews, and that's how I've always known it for you know 24 years.

SPEAKER_04 32:49

I mean, I said it and it sounded like a joke, like the idea of like, you know, and as long as you didn't mess up the job too bad, but that's kind of it. Like, of course, doing the best job possible is very, very important, right? Right. But there's a huge function to just continuing on with the same momentum you've had on a previous project, all the shorthands that you build up over a project carry over to the next one. So if you have a working dynamic already in place for your team, you can hit the next project with like you can hit it running, basically.

SPEAKER_06 33:21

And also that same thing about just being nice. Like, yeah, you know, being nice has so much to do with why I think I get rehired. I think there's other costume designers who are much more talented than me, but I think like sometimes people just like know that I'm collaborative and that they can work with me. And we can have some fun because we're gonna spend 12 to 14 hours a day with each other. We're gonna spend more time with each other than we are with our whole family. And let's have fun and let's hire people who are nice.

SPEAKER_00 33:58

Like that's great.

SPEAKER_05 33:59

Yeah, just like how in the event industry, you definitely have to have that persona, you have to make your job enjoyable, you have to have that customer service orientation, at least on our side of things where we're very uh, you know, like attend like event attendee based. Like you have to be there for the patrons and have that personable element for sure.

SPEAKER_06 34:22

Yeah. 100%. And like that also has to be something that is like actual, genuine, because you can't like on a TV show where we're shooting for nine months, you can't fake that for nine months, you know? So, like it's a big question for like your personal growth and like your mental health. Like, am I in check to like be good and be nice and present this? Because you can't, you can't fake it. And right, like I think some you can fake it some and you can't fake talent some, but there has there is a balance of like where it all evens out.

SPEAKER_08 35:00

Okay, for sure. For sure. Yeah, we say that all the time. And and Heather, Colin and I have all served in leadership positions in the event industry, and same here, have and Jeff, and it's like, and it's like, I'm sorry, I don't want to work with you again. Like, there are people, there have been times I have either gone to find Heather at a football game and say, I can't do it, I can't you go talk to them. And there have been times I've called Colin. It is midnight, a concert is still going, and I'll say, You come, or I'm gonna lose my mind. Because it's it's it's all about being nice, it's all about being easy to work with. And and that's just we're dealing with the front of the house stuff.

SPEAKER_05 35:41

So it's yeah, whether it's the front of the house or the back of the house, you really have to like it's it can be testing at times, and you really have to like know your limits and also push yourself to be that personable person for your own self-growth for sure.

SPEAKER_06 35:56

Well good lessons to learn, and it's good to know those limits.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

And so, like, I I own my company, I work undercover at concerts, and I own my company, and I'll tell you right now, like, I if if I have one of my agents that is friendly and personable and fun, they're gonna get they're gonna get put on as many shows as I can put them on in the summer because even if they're not my best guy, I'll work with them or girl.

SPEAKER_06 36:18

Like costume design. I don't think I'm the best, but I think people have to around me.

SPEAKER_01 36:23

But if you show up and you're grumpy and complaining and blah, blah, blah, I'm less likely to bring you back.

SPEAKER_08 36:30

I think you're the best. Thanks because I'm biased. There's blood here.

SPEAKER_00 36:36

So have either of you ever turned down a gig because the the whoever was running the show or the movie or whatever, was it a person that you'd either worked with before and had bad experiences or a company or a studio? You don't have to name names. But have you ever has that ever come into your own personal evaluation of taking a job? Or is it just like, you know what, I'm gonna take it, I'll get through it, I'll build my resume, and I'll probably I'll think twice about working on the job.

SPEAKER_01 37:01

No, just dish. I want names.

SPEAKER_03 37:06

Name, name, name.

SPEAKER_04 37:07

Yeah, that's that's definitely I don't have any exciting stories that you know other people would care about. But you know, you there's definitely times where especially if there's two jobs on the line, and you know, one is with you know, suggesting experience that you're not gonna enjoy because of previous experiences, and maybe the other one is a new and maybe the other one even pays less or something, but you might go with the less money just because that's that's the dollar amount of what it's worth to not work with previous people or be in a dynamic that you see coming or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_06 37:48

I have kind of an opposite, but sort of a different take on it. Um I have said multiple times, like I finished a job and I've come home to Jackson, and I've been miserable on that job, and I come home to Jackson, and I'm like, never gonna work with that person again. And that person calls me again for a job, and my ego is so flattered, you know, that they want me again, and I'm not working at this time. Like, there's this really weird, like mental thing that happens to you, and you're like, but they like me, they really liked me, so yeah, yeah, I'm gonna do it again. And Jackson's like, no, you hated them, and it's like, but I don't care, they like me. I'm gonna do it. Like sort of experience, but like you have to sort of weigh the pros and cons of, and I'm only barely getting better at it, I think. But that's also because like I'm growing a little bit like career-wise, like when you're young, you take the jobs that are offered to you, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 38:56

As you get away, you work you work for free and shouldn't like the thing that our industry does is we work for free and we shouldn't, because our craft is our art, is our product, is our resume, but we give it away.

SPEAKER_06 39:12

And so for these past like four years, it's been easier for me to walk away from those jobs because I know I was coming back from Ozark. Now Ozark is ending again, or not again, but Ozark is ending. Let's see what's gonna happen to me.

unknown 39:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:26

So speaking of way the direction, I mean, if if for some reason your both of your careers ended today, which that's not gonna happen. Uh you two have a lot of many years of movie and TV magic ahead of you. But if you could look back, is there a specific show or movie or anything that you could say, you know what, that's my gold star. I'm hanging my head on that, is like when Hollywood remembers me or whatever, this is what I want them to look back and remember me as.

SPEAKER_06 39:51

The movie or show that I think Hollywood would remember me as was not the most proudest I was of who I was in my life at that time.

SPEAKER_02 40:04

Oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_06 40:06

So I did really good work and it's gotten me really far in a career. But as am I proud of like the human I was at that point? Not really. Well then I gotta know what show that was. So, you know, it's kind of like there's there's always these pros and cons, like and you have to learn, like I put everything into a job, but then I like sacrificed personally, or I didn't put everything into a job that I should have, and then I put more into my personal, it's it's that balance, and right, how do you figure it out?

SPEAKER_05 40:43

I think I've even personally experienced that. Like, you know, being in the events industry, that was never my full-time job. It was a part-time job, but sometimes with the flexibility that our job offered us, where Kristen and Colin met, you know, you have the option sometimes in the busy season, which was the summer, you could completely fill up your whole schedule with as many different types of events that you wanted to work. And then that took a toll on, you know, other parts of your life. So it really is when it comes to the events industry, it is all about balance and like knowing what's right for you for sure.

SPEAKER_06 41:20

And again, it's kind of one of those things where like you really don't know you cross the line until you cross the line.

SPEAKER_07 41:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 41:26

Yeah. And then you have to learn that, okay, that was too far.

SPEAKER_05 41:29

And even with COVID, I think a lot of us learned we were overworking ourselves. And then it was a huge reality check when, like you said earlier, all of a sudden you have all this time. And it's uh it's a weird reality check. You know, it's it's it was in some ways it's a silver lining because you get more time back, but then at the same time, it's disappointing.

SPEAKER_02 41:50

I'm so bored.

SPEAKER_06 41:55

That's what I said when we went down. When we got shut down, I worked Monday only, and we got shut down Monday afternoon, and I was like, I gotta find a new hobby. And what hobby do you have? Can I find with a two-year-old hanging off my back? Like, I don't know what to do.

SPEAKER_08 42:13

I love it. Well, speaking of all of that, we are gonna have to figure out a new normal. Like I said earlier, how do we keep making TV shows and movies? How do we eventually get to making live events? How do we something's gotta give? Yes, the vaccine is coming.

SPEAKER_04 42:30

I think the vaccines are the biggest part of that, right?

SPEAKER_08 42:33

Yeah. I mean, we gotta do something, right? Are we gonna forever from here on out wear masks at crowded events?

SPEAKER_05 42:40

Not that the rave industry will be missing anything because they do that anyway, but I wouldn't uh attest to the the quality of the masks are truly not over.

SPEAKER_00 42:52

You mean cleanliness.

SPEAKER_06 42:55

I don't think we will. Like watching sort of America as a divided nation seeing a response to wearing a mask during a pandemic, I don't think that we can expect everyone at a Denver Broncos game to wear a mask. Like, I just don't think it's realistic.

SPEAKER_08 43:17

They definitely don't want to, I will tell you that. Yeah. And firsthand knowledge.

SPEAKER_06 43:23

Georgia. Like, yeah, we flipped blue, but barely.

SPEAKER_03 43:26

Um so I'm saying we are, like, I'm from Georgia, but um there locally at the moment during flu flu season of people that just choose for personal practice to keep wearing a mask.

SPEAKER_06 43:39

I mean, and that would be great. It's very much like Asian countries who do it on the airplanes all the time. And we've uh Americans have always laughed at them and put fun at them, and they're like, we're not doing this to protect ourselves, we're doing this to protect other people. And that would be an amazing thing if we could adopt.

SPEAKER_02 43:55

Yes, it would.

SPEAKER_00 43:56

I also think uh from from conversations I've had with. With different venues and upper management and whatnot. I have talked to some people that said they're gonna still wear their mask when they're in public for quite a long time, especially if they're in larger crowds. And they're not even using COVID as the example because they're saying that they've never been this healthy in the winter. Like they're saying, I've never been this healthy in the winter. Like I didn't get the flu, and you know, or whatever. So I think we'll see a lot more personal preference going down the road. I don't think we'll ever see a hundred percent mask mandate for full sold-out venues. That'll never happen. But I think Jackson, you're right.

SPEAKER_06 44:34

And now he just like socks, shoes, mask out the door. And he doesn't want to leave the door without his shoes or his mask. So that's normal for him. And we're kind of like keeping that as his normal until we don't have to anymore. And I'm willing to keep that as normal, and I don't know, for a couple years. Like he doesn't know a difference yet. Right.

SPEAKER_05 44:57

Exactly. This is their normal. These children that are born into this age, this is all they know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:04

Now, do people think it's weird that he's just running around in socks and shoes and a mask?

SPEAKER_05 45:10

The essential clothing items.

SPEAKER_06 45:13

Actually, no one notices anything else that all the other items are missing. They're just like really complimentary and automatically.

SPEAKER_03 45:21

Because I get in trouble when I try to do that.

SPEAKER_06 45:26

And we're like, don't worry, we've bribed him with chocolate. It's not our best parent moment. So give or take a little bit.

SPEAKER_08 45:32

Oh worry, he's not. Is he potty trained yet?

SPEAKER_06 45:34

So no, he's online, but he wears a mask.

SPEAKER_01 45:38

He and I have a lot in common.

SPEAKER_08 45:42

I love well, I heard things like I heard a rumor that Ticketmaster is considering um making part of their ticket app that you have to prove you've been vaccinated before you can buy a ticket to the event and or test negative. Or test negative. And I just I don't know. All of a sudden we're being thrust back to. I mean, is that a violation of HIPAA? But heck yeah, I'd have a lot more fun at a at a concert or an event if I knew that everybody was safe.

SPEAKER_06 46:08

But then we get into this thing of like fake IDs, right? So like fake vaccination.

SPEAKER_08 46:13

Which are already a thing. Yeah, they're they're already it's already a thing. It's so crazy. I don't know. So Tom Cruise was notably on the news uh ranting about not wearing masks and threatening to fire people. And you guys are in that industry, you're in his industry. You're you're adjacent. What did you think? What'd you think of the of the monologue?

SPEAKER_06 46:34

I mean, I support, I have to say I support it. I support anyone who is going, especially as a production head or number one on the call sheet, as Tom Cruise is, to call out his crew and his cast for not following guidelines that are set in stone. No matter what I think about Tom Cruise, whether what I think about his sanity or his past um rants. Um in this specific case, I mean, I gotta be on board for supporting social distancing and masking. Like, I don't know, I wasn't there and I didn't listen to it, but I heard about it, so I don't know what else to say, except for you just gotta support.

SPEAKER_04 47:27

Yeah, I I heard it. I don't think it comes off great, you know. If if you're, you know, a middle America grandma that's a big Tom Cruise fan, you know, you might have a lot of questions all of a sudden. But for a guy that has, you know, questionably like the last real movie star of America, uh, and has a lot riding on trying to get this giant production going. And he's you know, he's the business end of that as as well as the face of the movie. It makes sense to me why an eruption would happen if there's been possible you know avenues for COVID to sneak into that production and how important it is clearly for him to keep it out.

SPEAKER_06 48:10

Or even just for them to set an example, which is a thing that like I've kind of seen with our production because we like in Atlanta, we're a fourth season production, and there's other productions that are like first season productions following our guidelines. Um, so maybe he just wanted to take a leadership role and be like trying to set the standard. I don't know, maybe I'm giving Tom Chris too much credit.

SPEAKER_00 48:37

Well, I will tell you that the rant was definitely something I didn't find shocking coming from him. I was like, Oh, it's not surprising, but I did appreciate the fact that he mentioned the little guy in that. And he was like, There's people at home that aren't working, there's people that are depending on us to get this done, everybody along the line. I did take that little piece away from it and say, at least he's thinking about that. And that that speaks to our podcast, you know. The our podcast, our our main audience is other event workers, whether they they work, you know, behind the scenes of a camera or on a on a set or they they're catching crowd surfers at warp tour or whatever it is they do in the event industry. So my next question for you is is what words of encouragement do you have for those event workers that are waiting to work or getting little kibbles and bits of work right now? What would you say to those event workers listening now?

SPEAKER_06 49:27

I mean, I don't actually have real words of encouragement, but this isn't any different than what it is different, it's 100% different, but we are freelancers, we go gig to gig. We're strong, we climb up hills and we fall down low and we climb up again, and this is just another hill and valley that we're going through, and none of us are workers who have like constant paychecks or constant income and know where our next check is coming from, and we work hard for it. And let's hope that this new administration is going to help us like climb a little bit harder and faster and easier, but we all know that we're climbers.

SPEAKER_07 50:30

That's great.

SPEAKER_05 50:31

Absolutely. I totally relate to that. Like, you know, we're already in a kind of uh roller coaster-esque uh where you never know like what the schedule's gonna be like, and so we just kind of have to like continue to go with the flow and do the best that we can.

SPEAKER_06 50:47

Yeah, and it's gonna be a time that we're hopefully gonna be able to climb easier.

SPEAKER_00 50:52

I will tell you that the uh the old school guys that are listening to this will appreciate this, but we have a say we have a saying in security that when the apocalypse happens, the only thing that's gonna be left are cockroaches and security guards.

SPEAKER_08 51:05

Well, as we wrap up, we have five questions that we're asked everybody. So we're gonna ask you guys. So don't no pressure. It's not a speed round or anything. You can think, you can take your time. All right.

SPEAKER_04 51:16

I can, but I don't know, I'm not very quick.

SPEAKER_08 51:19

Okay, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 51:21

So, what was the first attended first event that either of you attended in person? Could be a concert, sporting event. What's your first memory?

SPEAKER_04 51:30

Um grew up in southern Oregon uh with uh renowned Shakespeare uh theater, and so on to that as a young kid, probably.

SPEAKER_00 51:42

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_06 51:43

Yeah, I knew Kristen would love Alex.

SPEAKER_08 51:46

I'm so excited. It'd be even better if you remember your first Shakespeare play, do you? It was Midsummer, right?

SPEAKER_04 51:52

Isn't it always because I think it was Hamlet, but I'm not I couldn't be sure.

SPEAKER_06 51:56

I'm gonna bring Midsummer back in another question later. Um mine was a Vince Gill concert with my mother.

SPEAKER_05 52:06

My next question is, and I know from personal experience it's really hard to pick just one, but if you guys had to say what is your favorite event that you would have ever attended.

SPEAKER_06 52:20

Mine is not hard to pick. Um hands down, I attended the women's march in 2016. I don't think anything in my life will ever like top that.

SPEAKER_03 52:35

I really should have gone before you. I don't have anything monumental.

SPEAKER_06 52:39

Hers can take two spots. I don't, I don't know how I'll ever even talk that in my life. Like it wasn't the most amazing experience I could ever have.

SPEAKER_05 52:51

And you know, and that's so cool that that's your answer because we're so used to heavily produced, planned out, you know, ticketed events, and the fact that your favorite event that you've ever attended was an organic, you know, grass.

SPEAKER_06 53:04

Now we're learning that these marches and these things are produced.

SPEAKER_07 53:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 53:10

And that they are like very like organized.

SPEAKER_08 53:16

And I don't think they're on the same level of what you guys are doing, but well, the women's march is now, I think they're an LLC or a 501c3 now. They're they're legit now. It's uh what became the largest peaceful protest in the history because it was on all seven continents, including Antarctica.

SPEAKER_06 53:35

That's a cool it was really cool.

SPEAKER_08 53:38

Yeah. Okay, so my question is and I don't know if it's a hybrid. I know that um Stephanie, I know you started in theater, but can you both remember the very first event you've ever worked? The very first event you ever worked that you were paid for. Like mine would be a production of West Side Story in Santa Fe.

SPEAKER_04 53:59

Sure, it was a concert, but but like I was shooting, but I can't, I couldn't tell you what it was. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_08 54:06

They're all one big event.

SPEAKER_06 54:08

Um, the first event I ever worked was a production of Midsummer Night's Dream when I was an undergrad at Florida State that paid for Phantom of the Opera at Pope Joy. I mean, as a dresser, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 54:24

Nice, nice. The national tour, yeah? Yeah. Excellent. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 54:30

All right. So if we were to press play on your playlists right now, what would we hear?

SPEAKER_06 54:36

I'm very into this artist named Sarah Shook, but they are super cool, kind of Americana, kind of country, kind of Nashville.

SPEAKER_05 54:49

I think it's Sarah Shook and the Disarmers. The Disarmers, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:54

Yeah, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_05 54:55

Spotify.

SPEAKER_02 54:56

I love Spotify.

SPEAKER_06 54:58

We had a um band before that was like Sarah Shook and the Devils or something. So I didn't want to misspeak because they had two um different ones. So awesome. The Disarmers. All right.

SPEAKER_05 55:13

So then, because you guys, you know, are very uh entrenched in this industry. If we were to turn on your favorite streaming service um for you know TV and movies, like what would be something that pops up immediately for you guys? That's all we just you're recently watched. Yeah, recently watched.

SPEAKER_06 55:38

We watch everything together.

SPEAKER_08 55:44

I was like, are you like having to you know clear your answer with each other?

SPEAKER_06 55:48

That one, but I don't think that one was noteworthy.

unknown 55:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 55:53

Succession. Yeah, we just finished season two of succession and Queen's Gambit.

SPEAKER_08 55:58

Oh, Queen's Gambit. I've been meaning to watch that.

SPEAKER_06 56:01

We were late to the game on Queen's Gambit, but so great.

SPEAKER_00 56:05

Is it good? I haven't watched it yet.

SPEAKER_06 56:07

So that's well, Colin Finish O'Sarking and watch Queen's Gambit.

SPEAKER_00 56:11

You got it.

SPEAKER_08 56:11

We just finished Bloom. Um, what is Bloom on? What is it on? Netflix. I don't know. Holy cow, Bloom is it's Australian and it's about a weird funky flower that makes you young again. Watch it, it's insane.

SPEAKER_06 56:28

Okay, because we were about to buy a subscription to Apple because we're like, I think we're out of Netflix, Hulu, Amazon. Like, I think we've eat eaten them all up in the 10 months of COVID. So I think we gotta dive into Apple now.

SPEAKER_02 56:42

I just got HBO Max for that very reason to open up a whole new level of stuff.

SPEAKER_08 56:48

Um, I we just did bloom and now we're in second or no secret secret city, is that what it's called? Another Australian film, all the same actors in bloom. Oh really? There's exactly five actors in Australia.

SPEAKER_00 57:01

That's great.

SPEAKER_05 57:04

Yeah, it was absolutely fun. Thank you so much for doing this. We're so happy you guys took the time to sit down with us. This has been a really great time, really great conversation.

SPEAKER_06 57:14

Thanks for having us. Um, hopefully, next time we talk, we're up and running full steam.

SPEAKER_08 57:23

Yeah, we are definitely going to check back in. We're so excited.

SPEAKER_00 57:26

Absolutely. Definitely need to find out what the what the skinny is.

SPEAKER_08 57:31

So well. I hope you get better.

SPEAKER_00 57:34

Yeah, yeah, I'm working on it. I'm close. Thank you.

SPEAKER_08 57:37

All right. Well, we're gonna sign up. Thank you so much. All right, thanks, guys. Bye.

SPEAKER_00 57:47

All right, everybody. We want to take uh another moment here to thank Stephanie and Jackson for their time uh with that interview. It was great to hear from them and to hear their perspective.

SPEAKER_08 57:57

Amazing.

SPEAKER_00 57:57

Uh, Kristen, what did you think of the interview?

SPEAKER_08 58:01

I I had so much fun. Um what just natural conversation happened and the flow was so much fun. Um, really surprised, and I don't know if they said it on our interview just there or if if it was just conversation that we all had, but that they've spent more time in their marriage together because of the pandemic than ever before because of the the nature of their work. I thought that was fun, and it just gives me hope that you know we're we're getting out of this, we're gonna get better.

SPEAKER_05 58:32

Yeah, I loved seeing uh on hearing their perspective. I mean, for me personally, I, you know, have not had a whole lot of firsthand experience with people in that type of sector of the events industry, and you know, hearing their thoughts um was so exciting to me. I'm super excited to be hearing about all these like different positions within our industry and how we're all kind of mutually experiencing this together in one way or another. And it was just so great. They're great conversationalists.

SPEAKER_00 59:03

Yeah, I agree. I thought it was just the the whole thing was was uh eye-opening in a in a lot of different good ways, and and how you know when you grow up and you're not working on a movie set or a TV set that you just kind of think that life is magical for everybody involved, and to hear that it's not always always so magical, and the struggles and trials that they've had and how much they are keeping their ears to the ground to what's happening in the world and how much COVID affects them on a daily basis. And if you've had that little cute tip shoved up your nose for testing, you know that you get a little cringeworthy when you hear how often one has to test on a daily basis.

SPEAKER_08 59:40

So I cannot believe how much they have to test. Crazy. But oh my gosh, you guys, everybody watch Ozark. So worth it, except my mom.

SPEAKER_00 59:49

Yes, watch Ozark.

SPEAKER_05 59:51

All right, well, with that, we just want to thank everyone for tuning in. We are really excited to be back up and running. You have no idea. And we cannot wait to have you join us again next time when we talk to Miss Helen Gows. So for those of you who don't recognize her name, she very notably played Ethel Beavers on Parks and Recreation. Yeah, well.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:19

Uh, we chat with Helen on how this whole crazy pandemic has hit her since her age plays a big part of what she has had to do in addition to her role in the events industry.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:28

Yeah, she's 90. I'm just gonna drop that little nugget. She's 90. And she was featured in, I mean, nobody knows really cares, but she was featured in my favorite Super Bowl commercial. Um, so we will have a YouTube link to that commercial as well. How exciting.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:45

Yes, indeed.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:46

Yeah, alrighty. Thank you. See you next time. Bye.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:50

Bye, everybody.