Kindness And School Safety

What if the safest schools aren’t the ones with the toughest rules, but the ones where every kid feels seen? We sit down with Dr. Beth Sanborn—26-year police veteran turned school safety coordinator—to unpack how compassion, trust, and everyday presence can prevent harm long before discipline or court becomes part of the picture.

Beth takes us inside the real work of a school resource officer: mentor, educator, and, when necessary, law enforcement. She explains why a “stolen Oreo” is a moment for curiosity, not cuffs, and how asking why behavior happens leads to smarter, fairer outcomes. We go deep on early intervention, the myths that feed the school-to-prison pipeline, and the practical steps that keep small missteps from becoming life-altering records. Her candor about vicarious trauma and finding purpose in schools brings rare clarity to how adults can help without harming.

You’ll also learn the story behind Hidden, High, and Hammered, Beth’s program that helps adults spot subtle signs of substance use. From fruity-smelling bathrooms to clever stash spots, she shares what teens actually tell trusted adults and how that insight can guide prevention. Beth’s two daily habits—smile often and use students’ names—sound simple, but they transform hallways into safer spaces. We talk empowering students by including them in solutions, and we share a “golden question” for parents that maps who a child turns to when life goes right—and when it goes wrong.

If you care about school safety, youth mental health, early intervention, and building trust between students and adults, this conversation is for you. Subscribe, share with a colleague or caregiver, and leave a review to help more listeners find these tools—and tell us: what small habit will you start using tomorrow?

Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome And Guest Introduction
• 2:13 From Policing To School Safety
• 5:26 Purpose, Trauma, And Finding A Better Fit
• 8:46 Scope Of The Role And District Scale
• 10:54 Early Intervention Through Kindness
• 14:04 Building Trust Across K–12
• 17:52 Mentorship Over Enforcement
• 22:45 Hidden, High, And Hammered Origins
• 27:22 What Teens Taught Us About Vaping
• 31:02 Vulnerability, Empathy, And Inclusion
• 34:36 A Small Moment, A Big Impact

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 1:28

Hello and welcome to the kindness matters podcast. I'm your host, Mike Rathbun. I am so incredibly both happy but also grateful that that you chose to spend 30 minutes of your time listening to us, my guest and I, talk about kindness and and just that you're involved in in wanting to know more about kindness or be inspired by it or motivated by it. And so thank you, thank you, thank you for being here. Um have, as usual, a fantastic show for you today. Um today on the Kindness Matters Podcast, we're joined by Dr. Beth Sanborn, a longtime police officer, turned school safety coordinator, who's dedicated her career to supporting kids, families, and schools. Beth is known for her warm, practical approach to helping communities understand youth behavior, including her hidden, high, and hammered program that teaches adults how to spot subtle signs teens might be struggling. She brings a compassionate mix of real-world experience, advocacy, and heart. And I'm excited for you to hear her insights on creating safer, kinder spaces for young people. Welcome to the show, Dr. Sanborn.

SPEAKER_03: 2:59

Wow, thank you so much. That was such a nice intro. I like what you chose there.

SPEAKER_01: 3:04

I'm particularly proud of it.

SPEAKER_03: 3:05

Oh, thank you.

SPEAKER_01: 3:07

I am yeah, you're very welcome. Well, and I mean, I there was nothing untrue in that, in that intro. No, there wasn't. So you are currently the yeah, hang on, wait, don't tell me. I won't. I won't tell me if you wanted to no uh school safety coordinator for Montgomery County, Pennsylvania schools, right?

SPEAKER_02: 3:33

Yes, that's correct.

SPEAKER_01: 3:35

How talk to us, please, a little tiny bit about how you came to be in that role.

SPEAKER_03: 3:42

Wow.

SPEAKER_01: 3:43

Because you you've got police experience, right?

SPEAKER_03: 3:46

I do, 26 years.

unknown: 3:48

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03: 3:48

You don't look old enough to be. I love to hear that. I love to hear that. Um it's you know, it's funny that you would ask that question because never in a million years, never would I ever have imagined that I would be sitting in this position. Who would have thought? I my entire life trajectory really could not have been predicted. I just always knew that I had a good heart and that I wanted to help people. And that was the only variable that I could base my life on. And I had a couple different ideas for how I was going to put that into practice. But lo and behold, when I was in undergraduate college, undecided, I didn't know what I wanted to do. I found myself in a sociology and criminal justice class. And I realized that I loved people. I loved studying people and learning how they do, why they do, what they do. And uh I realized that I wanted to be in a people industry. And I thought, oh, I know where I can do good in the community. I know where I can do good in the world. I want to be a policeman. And uh, you know, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. It turns out that policing is not really always about helping people. It's about it is about being there for folks when they're having the worst days and the worst encounters that they've done.

SPEAKER_01: 5:10

It's the worst day of their and the worst day of their life.

SPEAKER_03: 5:12

Yeah. It's um there's a lot of vicarious trauma that that gets taken in, and my cup was constantly full. I was taking on other people's pain and heartache and really just not feeling like I could make it go away. And it wasn't until the very end of 2014 when my lieutenant said to me, well, via text message, he said that they were toying with the idea of starting this school resource officer program. And he didn't really know what it would entail, but it would be a good fit for my personality and the police department in the school district, and then I would be the uniformed police officer in a school. And uh he asked if I was interested, and the answer was a resounding yes. And getting the opportunity to work with kids as a police officer, that was where I was able to shine, because that's where I was able to make a positive impact with every single interaction that I had with kids. And fast forward some, that's where I did the best for my community. And when it was time to retire and hang up my duty belt, assuming the role of the safe schools coordinator or school safety coordinator in my county at home was a natural transition, and I couldn't be happier to be here.

SPEAKER_01: 6:28

Yeah. Back to when you first started, uh, when you first decided to be a uh police officer. My my impression is that like 95% of the people who go into that profession have at their core reason to help other people. Would you agree?

SPEAKER_03: 6:53

I would agree. I would agree. And it's there's this perception that you get to be, you get to be the hero and you get to help people when they're when they're struggling, and you just really want to right wrongs and you want to protect and you want to serve. And what it turns out is that there's so much bureaucracy and there's such a litigious nature, and there's so much paperwork that the mission sometimes falls short.

SPEAKER_02: 7:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 7:24

Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Um, so you find yourself as the school safety coordinator. Now, how many, how big a area is Montgomery County, Pennsylvania? I mean, how many schools are we talking about?

SPEAKER_03: 7:41

That's not fair. You didn't prep me for that question. Um I don't size-wise, I'm not entirely sure, but there are 22 public school districts, um, 26 if you consider our career and technical schools. And I have approximately 430-some-ish schools that I'm responsible for. If you're looking at uh private schools, religious schools, nonprofit schools. So there's a lot of there there are a lot. We've got a lot of kids.

SPEAKER_01: 8:12

Yeah, yeah. So okay. We'll see if we can find one that that I did prepare you for.

SPEAKER_02: 8:20

Obviously.

SPEAKER_01: 8:22

Um can you okay, can you share with me? And and okay, wait, I'm back up. I'm gonna do another one. I'm gonna do to have to do some heavy editing here. Oh no, sorry. So you have spoken on the topic of the importance of early intervention and diversion from the juvenile justice system. How does kindness play into those strategies?

SPEAKER_03: 8:50

That's a great question. There is there is a perception, if you are unfamiliar with a school resource officer, I am that if you put a police officer in a school, what do police officers do? They arrest people. And what do kids do in schools? Well, they do silly things because kids do silly things. And there's this perception, and it's a misguided perception, that if you put a police officer in a school, then anytime a kiddo does something silly, the police officer is gonna arrest them. And that's what perpetuates this perception of the school-to-prison pipeline. And what I want to suggest is that it's a very uh misguided perception because school resource officers are very carefully chosen and very specially trained and properly equipped to be able to work as a police officer in a school because it's very different than working out in the community. So we get to serve three essential functions, which is my favorite part of the whole role. We are that law enforcement officer, but we're also informal counselors and mentors, and we're public safety educators. So we get to work with our kiddos day after day after day, maybe even for 180 days during the school year, and maybe year after year after year, and we get to learn our kids, they're learn their names and their passions and what drives them and who their best friends are. We get to be another one of those caring adults in the community, not just the person walking around with handcuffs. So, what we get to do is help defer away from the juvenile justice system and look at why behind the behavior. Why was this behavior engaged upon, not just the behavior alone?

SPEAKER_01: 10:45

Yeah, for sure. Um and I I think you're you're absolutely right. But I had never considered having an interaction with with kids. Now, but do the SROs do they transfer schools? Do they do more than one school? I you is it possible to follow a kid from like elementary school all the way through high school?

SPEAKER_03: 11:11

Absolutely. You absolutely can. There are so many different models and so many pros and cons. And there are you could make arguments for and against any of them. When I was SRO, I was responsible for K to 12. So my same kiddos that were in kindergarten, I was still with them when they were in the middle school. When they were in the high school, I got to meet their younger siblings, their older siblings, their families, their aunts and uncles. I was their police officer. And a proper SRO loves their kiddos and treats them as if they're their own.

SPEAKER_01: 11:44

Yeah, absolutely. So how do you what kind of challenges do you face balancing enforcement with mentorship? And how does kindness help build that gap, bridge that gap? Not building.

SPEAKER_03: 12:00

Well, listen, it's a whole lot easier talking to someone who you know and you have a previous relationship with and who you like or respect. The two don't have to go hand in hand. But yes, our kiddos do silly things every day. I'll let me give you a perfect example. Okay. I love this. Um, if you had to take a guess, how often do you think kiddos are stealing Oreo cookies from the cafeteria?

SPEAKER_02: 12:32

Uh all the single day.

SPEAKER_03: 12:37

So I think we could probably all agree that stealing something from someone else is a crime, correct?

SPEAKER_01: 12:45

Correct.

SPEAKER_03: 12:46

And could potentially be an arrestable offense. However, school resource officers are not arresting kids for stealing cookies from the cafeteria. Because there's so many different reasons why. Think about it. Maybe they're trying to impress someone, maybe they're hungry, maybe there's no money in the lunch account. Maybe mom doesn't let them have Oreos at home. Maybe it's to fulfill a dare or to impress a boyfriend, a girlfriend, or someone, or just to be silly and impulsive. It doesn't do anyone any good to arrest that kid, even though a crime was committed.

SPEAKER_01: 13:29

Yeah, it does nobody helps nobody really.

SPEAKER_03: 13:32

Right. So by having that relationship and that rapport with that kiddo who you've seen every day, who you've made eye contact with, who you've smiled to, who you've said good morning, who you've said, I'm happy that you're back again today.

SPEAKER_00: 13:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 13:48

You can engage in those conversations and you can resolve an issue without having to result in an official intervention.

SPEAKER_01: 13:58

For sure. For sure. Okay, so I don't know if this is the right time to ask this, but let's go ahead and dive into it. Talk to me about your hidden, high and hammered program. Uh first of all, I love the uh I love the title, but the title is itself is. You designed that to help people help adults, I'm assuming recognize when their kids might be struggling, correct?

SPEAKER_03: 14:28

I did. And it all comes back to the relationships piece. I was a uniformed police officer walking through the hallways of my schools, and what I realized is that sometime around 2017, 2018, perhaps, the hallways just outside my high school bathroom smelled amazing. And nobody ever would have guessed that. But it started to smell fruity and floral, and it was it was amazing. And what I learned as I started talking to my kids, and when I say my kids, I mean all 4,500 families worth of children in the school district, was that there was this new concept called vaping. But it's okay. It's it's safe because it's vapor and it's just it's flavored glycerin and it's and it's not dangerous because the liquid is called juice. And as my kiddos were starting to talk to me about these pitfalls that they were subjected to, they were sharing with me now stories of addiction. They didn't understand it. It was up to me to learn it. And they were talking to me and sharing about drug use and experimentation, which then took us down this path. And when I was in the schools and I told my kiddos that I was there to be a resource for them, that I wasn't there to jump out from behind a bush and surprise them and criminalize them, they started to share with me, uh, share information and stories, not their vapes. Right. I got to hear about the evolution of drugs and what this new market looked like. And my kids were willing to talk to me because they trusted me, because they knew that I was there to be a resource for them. So then they started to share where they were hiding them, how they were hiding them, how they were keeping their parents and caregivers from finding their stash or what to do. And I was amazed by it because remember, I was a police officer. I was wearing the uniform, and my kids were sharing that. And what it afforded me was the opportunity to have the insight of the fly on the wall. Who wouldn't want to see how their kids truly act when you're not around?

unknown: 16:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 16:49

So I saw that as my responsibility to teach educators, parents, caregivers what this looked like and what our kids were exposed to when our parents weren't around, or what was even just happening right underneath their noses.

SPEAKER_02: 17:07

Yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_01: 17:09

Yeah, I and you know, I I've had some experience with that. I'm a parent, right? It happens. But but yeah, to it takes a special kind of person to build that kind of relationship because I and I think I've spoken to people uh in youth intervention programs, and it all boils down to trust and building that relationship so that the kid feels um comfortable speaking with you, and it it doesn't matter if it's a minority kid or an LGBTQ kid, if you get them to open up and they trust you enough to open up, you can help them so much better.

SPEAKER_03: 18:07

I agree. It's putting yourself out there, and what I wasn't afraid to do with my kiddos was make myself vulnerable. I was willing to share some of the insecurities that I had and how I could relate because when I had a kiddo come to me and talk to me about uh whether it was something they were unhappy with, insecure about, I understood the feelings. I knew what it felt like to just not feel right in in in your skin in that moment, or to have that kit in your stomach or that lump in your throat, and just to to want to disappear or hide or isolate. And I was able to empathize and then truly be there for my kiddo. Boy, girl. It didn't matter who my kiddos were, it didn't matter how they identified, it didn't matter how they saw themselves or how others saw them. I could sit with them in the moment, and that takes time.

SPEAKER_01: 19:09

It does. It takes time and patience and and yeah. I agree. I yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 19:18

Um, okay. Here's another one.

SPEAKER_01: 19:21

Can you share an example where a simple act of kindness by an SRO, it can be yourself if you'd like made a significant impact on a student's sense of safety or belonging. Hmm.

SPEAKER_02: 19:41

Wow.

SPEAKER_01: 19:42

You must have dozens of stories about this.

SPEAKER_03: 19:45

I n I know, I know. There are so many, there are so many great SROs out there. Listen, here's the thing. There's nothing special about me. I'm one of twenty thousand across the country who are interacting with their kids. Uh 180 school days, five days a week, eight hours a day, hundreds of thousands of interactions and lives changed and connections made. Do you know how many SROs and school police officers have adopted children? Gone through the formal process procedure of bringing kids into their homes who needed them. SROs and SPOs who feed kids, who have closets of clothing and toiletries and toys and food drives, and the amount of money that we donate, the amount of supplies that we give, the shopping that we do outside of our schools, it's staggering. It is staggering. And unfortunately, what happens is that you see one negative news story about police, and it translates over into this perception that school resource officers are these big bad bullies that we have to protect our kiddos from and that couldn't be further from the truth.

SPEAKER_01: 21:01

Yeah. The one you have to try and fix that for the for the rest of your days, right?

SPEAKER_03: 21:07

We do, we do. I I there's no scientific research behind this. This is just me being silly. But I say I have to have a hundred positive interactions to offset that one negative interaction that gets told time after time at every party, at every dinner interaction. But I'm I'm always drawn back to this one encounter with one of my kiddos, and it was such a such a nothing moment. It really was nothing spectacular. We had an intersection in our high school. It was called the Knuckle. And if you're an art fan, if you know MC Escher paintings with the stairways that come in every different direction, that's the way I describe the knuckle. And at class change, you've got 1,500 students that are all elbow to elbow coming and going in every different direction. And I happen to be standing there after class change. You know, you have your stragglers and your wanderers that are going past. And one of my students who would frequently stop by my office and talk with me, uh, he walked past and he was a lone student in the hallway at that time. And he said, Um, he said, Officer Beth, because all my kiddos called me Officer Beth, um, Officer Beth, I'm really glad that you're here. And uh I smiled and I said, Well, guess what? I'm really glad that you're here. That that's it. Like, very, very simple. And I went back and I just did a little bit of digging because first of all, I wanted to make sure that I said his name right and that I was, you know, addressing him properly. And I did a little bit of digging, and he had every reason to dislike police, to mistrust police, to have had negative inter he has had negative interactions, uh, a lot of adverse childhood experiences, and he had every right to assume the worst out of me. But he didn't. And that shows a lot about his character. Yeah. And I hope that his just saying that as an offhand comment, I hope that helped to instill him with this sense of safety and security, and that we were providing a good culture for him and and that he was really able to thrive and feel safe to speak his mind.

SPEAKER_01: 23:26

Yeah. Yeah. And just the fact that he was able to do that or or willing to do that speaks volumes to how you were operating there.

SPEAKER_03: 23:37

I'm gonna say it speaks volumes to to his courage.

SPEAKER_02: 23:42

Well, okay. Both.

SPEAKER_01: 23:48

Um so but but there are times when there are is conflict, right? I mean, it happens, it's it's bound to happen. How can school resource officers model compassionate behavior even when they're handling discipline or conflict?

SPEAKER_03: 24:12

Well, that's a good one. Well, first of all, I I want to make a very important distinction, and that is that SROs are not disciplinarians. So when it comes to school violations, that's that's outside of our wheelhouse. However, there have been times when I had to change from officer Beth to Detective Sanborn. And that was a that was a distinction that I told my kids. I said, Oh my goodness, please don't don't make me be Detective Sanborn. Let me just be Officer Beth. Yeah, don't make me put that other hat on. Um and it's okay to do that with compassion, and you can treat someone well when they still have to be held accountable for their actions. Because guess what? Our kids are smart. They know what they can do and they know what they can get away with. And sometimes they gamble, they try to do something that's either impulsive or that they know there's gonna be ramifications for. But guess what? When I can look at that kiddo and call him by name, and I can look at him with that mom look, I can cross my arms, I can cock my head and just shake my head and be like, now you know better. You know better you're making me change my hat.

SPEAKER_01: 25:29

Yep, yep. You do the one eyebrow thing.

SPEAKER_03: 25:33

Yes, it's easier to do that when you know that kiddo and you have a prior relationship. Your first encounter with a kiddo should not be for an arrestable offense. There should be plenty of other interventions well before then.

SPEAKER_01: 25:54

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think the the better the relationship, the lower the the odds of having that first encounter being an arrestable offense goes, right?

SPEAKER_03: 26:06

Absolutely. We have so many different interventions that we can put into place, and a and a good SRO is part of that school team who works with the guidance counselors and the nurses and the crisis counselors and the administrative staff and all of those other folks in schools that help reinforce that safety net for our kiddos. We're just another piece of that net.

SPEAKER_01: 26:30

Yeah. Okay. So what practical habits or or practices can schools implement to foster more positive relationships between staff? And this I this is not necessarily for SROs necessarily, but staff, officers, and students. Practical habits or okay.

SPEAKER_03: 27:00

I am going to go with two. The first one I will say is a lesson that I used with my elementary school kiddos when I would walk in, and I would I'd walk in and I would say, It's nice to meet you on the fireman, and my kindergarten kids would scream, no, no, you're not. You're police, you're the policeman. And and we would talk all about my uniform and my tool belt, and I would say, Well, you know, how do you know that I'm a policeman? And then after we did that, we'd I would ask, What do you think is my favorite tool? And when they shouted out, Rainbow and Taser and or radio, they say rainbow.

SPEAKER_01: 27:37

Rainbows, uh that's a perfectly good tool right there. I don't care who you are.

SPEAKER_03: 27:41

Okay. Well, that's not what I meant to say. Uh, but you know, radio or tool belt or keys or I didn't know where do you keep that on your tool belt, by the way?

SPEAKER_01: 27:48

Rainbow. That little clap of whoo.

SPEAKER_03: 27:52

But it gets to actually what my favorite tool is, and I would tell them it's my smile. I never go anywhere without it. And it's my favorite tool because I use it the most and they're contagious. So one of the first things that I tell people after making eye contact is to share a smile because they're contagious. So that's my first practical tip. My second practical tip, which also happens to be uh my 10x talk that I gave this year as the small habit that transforms school safety, is by addressing people by their names and letting them know that they're seen. Because if you talk to someone and you show that you know their name and that you're addressing them properly, that's a meaningful gesture for a kiddo who feels like he's he or she is overlooked and in unseen. So my practical tips are smile and learn people's names and address them properly.

SPEAKER_01: 28:53

Yeah. And that does, that goes such a long way. You know, when when I and it's not even just for kids, because I'll I'll go into a grocery store, let's say, and I'll look for the person's name badge and I'll say, you know, thank you, Beth, for being here today, or or what have you. But if you call them by their name, it helps them s be seen or feel seen, and and that goes such a long way.

SPEAKER_03: 29:22

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 29:23

Okay, last question.

SPEAKER_03: 29:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 29:27

I feel like we need a drum roll. No, we won't do that. How can schools ensure that students feel empowered to advocate for themselves and their boundaries without sacrificing kindness?

SPEAKER_02: 29:47

Oh.

SPEAKER_03: 29:49

How can schools allow students to advocate for themselves with kindness ensure that students feel empowered to advocate for themselves and their boundaries without sacrificing kindness? Wow. That's a fantastic question. I am going to I am going to go with, I love the word empowerment. I use that quite a bit. Um include them. Include them. I I think oftentimes as adults, we allow our egos to come into play and we think that we're doing the best for our kids, and only we know what's best for them, and we're going to tell them what they need.

unknown: 30:37

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 30:37

Without taking into account what they, being the students, may feel as if they need or want in that moment.

SPEAKER_02: 30:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 30:50

We do that as adults too, don't we? I mean, as parents and adults. Well, one would hope that you're an adult as a parent.

SPEAKER_03: 30:59

That was one of the best parts about being an SRO in a high school was that I was able to identify, and this is nothing that that I came up with, but my students had preferences. And they had likes and dislikes. And you know, when our kiddos were really little, they just followed everything that we did, and we just kind of dragged them along with us, and we're like, I like pizza, so you should like pizza. Well, guess what? At some point, your kiddos can express a preference that they don't really like pizza all that much. And at some point, there comes a time when we accept that, but yet when does that time happen? So it's great in high school when I can talk to my kiddos and really learn about what their preferences are, what they prefer, what suggestions and ideas they have. Because by the way, if you're stuck solving a problem, why not ask a kiddo for a suggestion? They're not bound by the same constraints that we are, and you'd be amazed at some of the suggestions that our students come up with when they're not bound by finances or reality or practicality. And you know what? They may come up with some really good suggestions.

SPEAKER_01: 32:09

Yeah. That's a great answer. I love that. That's that's a better answer than my question.

SPEAKER_02: 32:17

Oh just saying.

SPEAKER_01: 32:20

Um what words of wisdom would you have for our listeners um to make their life easier dealing with kids? That's really broad.

SPEAKER_03: 32:36

That's tough. Um, okay. As a mom, uh right now, my children are 22 and 19. Um they still like me. They still like each other.

SPEAKER_01: 32:48

That says speaking volumes.

SPEAKER_03: 32:52

I'm so excited that we're, in fact, we're all getting together tonight. Very exciting. But tips, tips that I can offer for parents. Um I have a golden question that I like to seed with people. Okay. Okay. And this is a question that you should ask your kiddo in a in an emotionally neutral time, when things are good, not during a crisis, but you want to know or ask your kiddo when something awesome happens, when something great happens, when something funny happens, who's the first person you tell? And that is a really critical piece of information because there is a strong likelihood that when something bad happens, when something troubling happens, when something scary happens, that is also the first person they tell. So if you have questions or concerns, or there's something that's just gnawing at you as a parent and you're worried about your kiddo, please don't be afraid to reach out and to ask. Ask other stakeholders in your child's life, have you noticed any changes? And guess what? Some of those people can be the school resource officer, some of those people can be that person that you asked your kiddo about who they share the good information with. It can be folks in authority, it can be local business owners, it can be a coach, a religious figurehead, a teacher. It can be anyone who knows your kiddo.

SPEAKER_01: 34:16

Yeah. Yeah. So often I think like the first experience or the first time you end up speaking with the dean at high school is when your kid's in trouble. When you could have called all along and just said, how's everything going with Jack Jack or whatever your kid's name is?

SPEAKER_03: 34:38

It's okay to have to be turner.

SPEAKER_01: 34:40

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03: 34:41

When times are easy, so that when times are difficult, the foundation of that relationship is there.

SPEAKER_01: 34:48

Yeah, for sure. Well, Dr. Beth Sandboard, thank you so, so, so much for for taking some time with me today. Um, these are these are gold nuggets right here. Um, and it's I I applaud you for making a positive impact on the kids and the families in your community.

SPEAKER_03: 35:12

Thanks for saying that. I wouldn't change a single day, but I I loved every facet of it. Almost every facet.

SPEAKER_01: 35:21

The good outweigh the bad.

SPEAKER_03: 35:24

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 35:25

100%. Thank you so much for being on, and we will talk again soon.

SPEAKER_03: 35:31

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01: 35:43

Thank you so much for listening to this episode of the Titus Matters Podcast. We will be back again next week with a brand new episode, and we would be honest if you would join us again.