Kindness On Cloudy Days

A lot of us know the feeling: you’re doing your best, your kid needs you, and inside your own head the weather turns. I sit down with Kendall Consini Moore, the writer behind Cloudy Day Chronicles and the author of Mom’s Cloud and the Beach Adventure, to talk about a simple idea that can change family communication: giving big feelings a name kids can actually use.

We get specific about how her “cloud” metaphor was born from a bedtime story and a real parenting worry, and how the beach became the perfect setting to explain difference without blame. We also unpack what kindness looks like when you’re not okay, including the self-kindness move that helps parents stop turning one rough moment into the whole story of the day. Kendall shares practical, at-home language tips inspired by Montessori-style narration, plus a refreshing stance on praise: make it real so it stays meaningful.

We also talk about mental health boundaries and miscommunication, especially how “I have a cloud” can work as shorthand with a partner or friend when you don’t have the emotional capacity for a long explanation. The conversation goes beyond parenting into anxiety, support groups, chronic illness flare-ups, and the surprising way hard seasons can grow our capacity for kindness, both toward ourselves and others.

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Transcript

A Bedtime Story Becomes A Book

SPEAKER_03 1:13

Take care of spread the light a little further. Because when it comes to kindness, hey, hello, and welcome everybody to the kindness matters podcast. Um, I'm your host, Mike Rathpun. And um, as I always say, because I it bears repeating, um, we all have just so many hours in every day, right? And the fact that that you chose a portion of one of your hours to tune in and and listen to this podcast, this episode, um, means the world to me, and I'm I'm grateful beyond words, although I use words, so maybe not. Um I'm very happy that you're here, and you guys are gonna be so happy that you're here today because uh I think we have a fantastic show for you. My my guest today is Kendall Consini Moore, and she is the heart behind Cloudy Day Chronicles and the author of the children's book Mom's Cloud and the Beach Adventure Shining Light on Mental Health. I think I got that right. Yep, I'm getting a yes. Kendall is a Maryland-based writer and mental health advocate who creates whimsical, emotionally supportive stories that help families talk about big feelings, especially the heavy ones that are maybe sometimes hard to name. Her gentle cloudy day metaphor and her commitment to authenticity offer hope, language, and connection for anyone walking through a hard season, and she's here to help us explore what kindness can look like whether when the weather inside our hearts isn't necessarily sunny. Welcome to the show, Handel. I'm so happy to have you here. Thanks for coming on. I really appreciate you taking the time, and um, the the book is so cool.

SPEAKER_02 3:27

Um, where where did that book come from?

SPEAKER_00 3:32

It came from a bedtime story with my daughter, where I was starting to realize that she was a lot smarter than we expected her to be at her young age. Um, aren't they all?

SPEAKER_01 3:49

That one's a lot, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:50

And she was picking up on some differences between how mom had to experience her day and how dad experienced her day. And I took on the weight of that. I took on guilt and and parenting. And I said, how can we talk about this and kind of break the cycle of, okay, yes, it happened, but I'm very aware of mental health. I'm an advocate for it. And so let's just ask her about it. And from it came explaining to her with a cloud analogy, and from that came this little rhyming story. Um, but as the story developed, it turned into the full book and kind of platform.

SPEAKER_02 4:36

Nice, nice.

Self-Kindness On Hard Days

SPEAKER_03 4:40

And I I've heard some of your other podcasts, and you often use weather as a metaphor. What does kindness in every season mean to you personally?

SPEAKER_00 4:54

I think it's a foundation. Kindness is just a foundation of knowing how to I guess try and and and be nobody but yourself. So that's the internal kindness of being kind to your mind. And and that's really hard, admittedly, in in mental health. But also a kindness of knowing if you aren't kind to yourself, giving for others kind of tends to make people who internally struggle. It's a good divergence to to be kind to others and kind of do what you can't do for yourself. Then just general kindness of the people around me who understand I'm struggling, have learned how to be there for me in a way that's authentic to me.

SPEAKER_03 5:48

Yeah. Yeah. Um and but and you touched on something really important right there. Uh being kind to yourself, right? Especially when we're struggling and we all have those days, right? That we we struggle and and maybe it stretches on beyond days. What does what does kindness toward yourself look like on our hardest days?

SPEAKER_00 6:23

For me, and and really where the book came from was trying to not hold on to one negative as the entire narrative of the day. And that is where the conversation of the book came because it was a bedtime story. So at the end of the day, we can have this big day full of all of these activities. And if something went wrong, if I was stressing about something or I snapped or didn't gentle parent, I was holding on to it so much. And the narrative I can so quickly write is I'm not the best parent. I shouldn't have done this, I shouldn't have given her a parent with mental health. And the kindness at the end of the day was to ask her, what was your favorite thing today? And she would have little moments. And if I asked her, I said, What was your least favorite thing of the day? Because that was my worry of her saying, like, oh, the time mom did this, but she never came up with what I came up with. And so it was this ability to stop fighting my own mind and say, they're not holding on to what you're holding on to. So why are you holding on to it? And why is all this stuff more important than all the little things? And so it was that ability to just step back and say, okay, you are not the worst version you're writing in your head. You're doing a pretty good job.

SPEAKER_03 7:54

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I I think it's sometimes we always worry about what our kids think about what we do or or say, and and I think it's surprising. And I I don't think everybody asks like you did, first of all. So we just go along with that. We just keep carrying that, right? We're like, oh my god, my kid thinks I'm such a loser, or my kid thinks I'm the meanest person in the world, or or whatever that is, whatever that stress is. Um, and and and it it it probably not, right? It's probably not your worst fear, just like you said. Um when you came up with this book because it I think it is important to let kids know that you know they're mommy and daddy are gonna have good days and bad days, right? And all adults do, right? Well, even kids, but but how did you come about being able, because I don't think I could put into words for well, at this point, my four-year-old grandson, for example, you know what emotions are or what stress is. How did you come up with that formula,

The Beach Cloud Metaphor Explained

SPEAKER_03 9:11

that language?

SPEAKER_00 9:13

The beach was so easy. Um that it writing it was why and I and I'm doing a workshop on this soon, actually. And it's trying to think of one place where not necessarily you're different because of emotions and mental health, just one easy, tangible way where you are different than someone else there. And so the beach was our spot. I sensory, I do not like the feeling of lotion. So when we got to the beach, it was always we're very excited, but we know sun lotion has to go on first. So we stop and dad is immediately in charge because I will tell them it's like you have to find dad. So they know at the beach mom tags out. They knew that I don't love going in the water. I'm very cold afflicted. I don't love the cold ocean. I don't like the feeling of it. Um, and so it was if you want to go play, you need dad. And they knew that. And it had nothing to do with mental health. It had nothing to do with dad's better, mom's worse. It was just mom doesn't like lotion, mom doesn't like water. So when we started having that conversation, I was able to tell her, okay, imagine mom has a cloud and we're at the beach. You know how when we're at the beach, mom can't do lotion and mom can't do water. I was like, some days it's like that. Mom can't do what you need her to do. And it's because the cloud, the same way the beach is because lotion and that. And so it was able to translate, she already knew and recognized that was different and how to kind of put that in an analogy she can carry. And then the idea of sunlight, really, because in the book, a lot of it is shaded to show like mom is aware it's very sunny around her. I'm aware that I can start playing and it will probably bleak be a great time, but I can't yet. And the cloud with the shading was the easiest way to say that is why.

SPEAKER_03 11:19

That's genius. That's genius. It's perfect, it's a perfect analogy.

Let People Feel What’s Real

SPEAKER_03 11:26

Um, and uh your book shows that it's okay not to be okay, right? Why is that message so important for families?

SPEAKER_00 11:40

I think it's well important for anyone because we so much we think we have to be on. We think like there's such a high bar for like smiling through every single thing. And the second you stop, people think it's the end of the world. And like for me, it's very hard because I'm an extrovert. And so I'm very talkative, I'm very going. So the second I'm quiet because I'm just tired, everyone thinks something is wrong. Like, and I'm like, I don't, it's not, I just don't feel like the energy right now. And so it the problem is it's like, in a sense, I set this high bar, but at the same time, it's not that I set a high bar, it's just that people don't understand that I don't want to always be there. Right.

SPEAKER_03 12:24

Yeah, yeah. And you know, I say I'm an introvert, but my wife used to call me the jabber box. And I I don't know if it I don't know if it changed after COVID. A lot of things changed after COVID, right? Um, I used to love being out in public settings like business networking or or something like that, those networking events. I had a lot of fun at those, and now the thought of going into a room with dozens of people terrifies me. I can't. I just can't make myself do it. A couple years ago, I thought I should really make an effort to try to get out, and I I went to a Toastmasters meeting here near me. And I went once, had a great time, next week could not make myself go. Nothing I could do. So I I I get what you're saying. I I I understand, you know, there there's a point where you're just like, I don't wanna.

SPEAKER_00 13:36

And also, because it resonates with the cloud, people tend to see the silver lining a lot, and you're just like, I just want to sit under it. So some, you know, especially in parenting, if I just wanna, like right now, my daughter doesn't sleep. It's the worst. And it's she comes in, she wakes us up for like 3 a.m. and she's like, I need water, I need this. And we're like, you know where to go. Like, go get it. Don't go do it yourself, be independent. And a lot of people will tell us, like, oh, you're gonna miss those moments. But and I was like, no, I'm not. Like, I just wanted to go get water herself. Like, let me just complain about how awful this is. Don't tell me that I should cherish every single moment and that I'm a bad parent because I don't want to answer her every little whimsy request because she needs me at night. And then people are like, you need to cuddle her all day. And I was like, I work from home some days. Like, I have enough time with her. I want my sleep. So, like, no, I don't co-sleep with her, I don't do anything. Like, that is it. You were supposed to be in your bedroom. And when I talk about those emotions, like people push back a lot on all the stuff you should be feeling. And I was like, let me just feel what I actually am feeling, and then this will go better.

SPEAKER_03 14:48

Yeah, yeah. So, and and yeah, you're absolutely right. Um,

Practical Parenting Language That Helps

SPEAKER_03 14:56

you created stories to help kids understand emotions. What are some simple ways that parents can teach them at home? How can they teach kindness? What are some are there phrases or tips that you could give to our listeners who are parents how they can talk to their kids or help them understand emotion?

SPEAKER_00 15:25

And and and they're not mine. I I don't know who like I'm citing, it's just the internet from scrolling. But the the ones that I love, which I do recognize in my kids a lot, is you know, that Montessori style languaging. So explaining everything. So we don't really just say no, don't do that, because she won't really get why we're saying no, and then it'll just make us look mean. So we explain, like, hey, if you make a mess, you're gonna get hurt, or if you touch that, you're gonna get hurt, like that's not safe, or what's your plan to do this? And and even with her toys and stuff, like right now, she has Barbies. It's like, if you cut the Barbie's hair, like it's never going back, like tough love lesson. And and so a lot of it is just taking that second to walk her through those steps. Now, sometimes we do pull out the because I said so, because I'm like, you just don't know what to say. But we really narrated a lot of her life. And then in that, too, we made sure to balance that with the positives. Like one thing I I had read that I loved, and and we see it, is to talk about your kids to someone else so they can hear. And so often when she's doing something really well, like I'll tell our dog, I'm like, look at Alma cleaning up. Like, isn't she doing such an awesome job? But I know she can hear it and she gets this confidence. And now my son, who's learning to talk, whenever he helps me, he'll go, I'm so helpful. And it's because we kind of say it over and over again. And and I love that they are getting that kind of positive affirmations, but also in a way, you know, we tell her, like, good job to her, but it's also important for her to hear us talking about it and and kind of do it in a way that feels authentic to her.

SPEAKER_03 17:12

Yeah. Yeah. I I never actually thought about that. You know, I've always done the whole, well, you're very helpful or you're you're doing a great job, or um, but yeah, I didn't think I didn't stop to think what impact that might have on a kid if they hear you talking about them in a positive way, obviously, to somebody else. Um, because yeah, that would that would be a huge confidence boost, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_00 17:41

Yeah. Now, the one that always catches people off guard too is because I try and you know, I come from that millennial divide where there's the argument over like participation awards and what we created and stuff. And I was like, I get it. I I was in it, I'm there for it. So a lot of times she'll do stuff and people will just compliment her nonstop, but it's not like the best stuff. And so, for example, like she'll draw something that I know she can draw really well and it will look really bad. And she'll come over and she'll show it and we'll be with someone and they'll be like, Oh, this is amazing. And I'll look at it. And I was like, No, it's not, you can do better. And like they get shocked because they're like, What? I'm like, she can't do better. Like, if you just tell her every single thing she does is amazing, it's not gonna be meaningful to her when it's actually amazing. So, like, let's stop pampering kids too. Like, let's tell them, hey, yeah. So sometimes she'll do something and she'll be like, watch me do this. And I'll be like, try harder. Like, and it's not tough love, it's just realistic. Like, if I do a poor job, like I do want someone to tell me, hey, great try, but you can do better. And I'm like, we also need to prepare them for that because that's the mental health side of it too. Like, if we expect everyone to be amazing all the time, and if and that first person's gonna come along and tell them they're not, they're gonna kind of get down on themselves. So I was like, I try and balance that too in parenting, where it's like, you're not doing a great, like, that's cool, you can do better.

SPEAKER_03 19:12

Yeah, absolutely. Um, and and keeping kind of with that, and this may have we may have already talked about this now that I look at the question. Um, what

Naming Emotions With Weather Words

SPEAKER_03 19:25

are some praises or tools that families can use to talk about emotions in a healthy way?

SPEAKER_00 19:36

Yeah, no, it's a go on emotions too, like letting them feel their feelings. Like it is hard because there are times, like even this morning, she was crying about something, and it was like, that's not what we can need to cry about. But I think it's telling her why. I'm like, you can cry if you got hurt or this happened, but if you're crying right now, then I want to talk through like what's making you upset. And so for us, it's just we really do identify stuff. We use a lot of analogies too. So when she's when she sees me upset, she'll ask me, is it a cloud or something else? And I'll be like, it's something else. So she knows that language. Hers is a tornado. Um, so I do ask girls, like, you know, are you having a tornado or are you just being mean? And if it I can tell if she's gonna try and get out of it by saying tornado, and I'm like, no, you're just being mean. So then we talk through that and we really much identify like all across the spectrum. Like we try and name what's going on. I'm like, you're being mean right now, or you're you're being really nice to your brother, you're being really kind. And so I think it's also overly giving them the words. So just yeah, kind of name what it is and and tell, tell them what's going on. And and I'll tell her sometimes, I'm like, I we have a circle house. And so sometimes it helps me a lot because I'll tell her, I'm like, I don't like you right now, go do a lap and come back. And I'll say, and I'll tell her, I'm like, you're being angry, Alma. Go do a lap and come back and be silly, Alma. And it's trying to identify and break where she is. And so, you know, I think parents just need to like talk about it and they need to find that way to just really take it right on. Like, what is happening?

SPEAKER_03 21:27

I love the fact that all the the the emotions are are weather related. So, like when your son gets upset, is that a blizzard or oh no, his is fun.

SPEAKER_00 21:39

His is a rock. He's a rock, he's not the talker. So when he gets really upset, it's actually I feel bad because half the time he's really upset. I I start laughing because it's like the cutest thing ever. He just gets all like pouty face and he'll like sit in this little rock and he just won't move. And I'll like step over him and stuff, and I'll tell him like when. You're ready, like come on up. And when he's getting really moody, I'll even tell him I'm like, go be a rock over there. And that way I know he like will stay still and not move. So he's kind of just done his own different thing.

SPEAKER_03 22:13

Yeah. So when you when you give families a shared language uh for their emotions, you got the rock, you got

Shorthand That Reduces Miscommunication

SPEAKER_03 22:25

the dark, the cloud. How does that change the way that that people treat each other? Family, I guess. Does it does it make a difference when you name those things and and use that?

SPEAKER_00 22:40

Yeah, I was having a great conversation about this yesterday because I it's something in the ease of if I were to text my husband and say, hey, I don't want to go out tonight, he'll probably come back and go, like, why? Or, you know, I thought we had plans and we were gonna do this. But if I tell him, hey, I don't want to go out because I have a cloud, it's just it's that he's like, okay, I got it. We're not going out. What do you need instead? What do you want to shift? And at the same time, like, I don't necessarily have the emotional capacity to always text him the fuller, longer sentence. Hey, I have a cloud because I have a flare-up because this is going on. Because sometimes having to say it is a lot of emotional weight, too. And so the cloud became this like shorthand script of just something bigger is going on. Maybe I'm gonna talk about it. Right now I'm not ready. So sometimes I'll be able to even text him or friends and just be like, hey, there's a cloud. And then they know how to ask differently than if I was just saying, hey, this is going on. And sometimes they can also use it themselves to check in. Like if I cancel plans and it's not usually like me, then friends know, like, is it a cloud, or do you just are you canceling plans? And then if I say yes, it is, then the way they're checking in is different than any kind of other, not like guilt, but like people are gonna want to know sometimes why, you know, something is shifting or changing, and sometimes you're just not ready. And so I found that for me at least, and and our circle, it has been a better like shorthand to get to Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:29

And and I think probably that that probably helps with miscommunication, right? Because if they know that it's sad and they know what it's a cloud means, you know, they don't just go that Kendall, she she canceled on us. I have no idea why she didn't say, and then they develop feelings, right? And but this way that kind of cuts that all out, right?

SPEAKER_00 24:58

Yeah. And I had that experience where I wasn't ready to talk to some people about stuff, and I had been canceling plans a lot, or I've been changing plans, and they had finally come out once and said, like, hey, when we make a plan and then you change eight million things, like it drives me crazy. And that was my time where I was like, okay, I have to, I have to open up about this. So I had to say, like, I need to tell you that I am going through a lot of emotional stuff and that I do it from this. I make the plan when I'm very anxious and I need something on my schedule. And then when the day comes and I haven't gotten over the anxiety of it, I can't get myself to go out. And so I start to change it out of guilt and I start to change it out of trying to push myself out, and ultimately I can't get there. And so we had sat down and and said, and this was like before the book, and we had sat down and they said, Well, what's the best way that I'm not upset with you and you're not overwhelmed by me? And I was like telling them, I was like, Well, I'm working on this language at home where I kind of call it this. And and that was like my first time. I said, Like, can we make plans? And I just tell you, like, hey, I have a little bit of a cloud, I can use plans, but if the cloud stays, I need to cancel them. And that has been our kind of different way of saying, like, now we both are on the same page.

SPEAKER_03 26:22

Yeah, absolutely. Uh yeah. Do you think it's possible that our hardest seasons that we go through can actually grow

How Hard Seasons Grow Kindness

SPEAKER_03 26:40

our capacity for kindness?

SPEAKER_00 26:44

Yes, I think even though like parenting has been a really hard season, um even right now I'm going through like autoimmune stuff, and it is like my my cloudiest days. Yeah. This morning I even woke up and I was like really upset, and I'm like, now I have to go do this podcast. And but there's something about the idea of the kindness at the end. So everything I'm doing, we we do a lot of acts of kindness through book proceeds and give backs and paying it forward and being in the world of mental health has been like, yes, I'm going through it. I think going through it and being open about it means that the cloud is there, but it's not as dark. Um, and it has given me the ability to take off a lot of that pressure on myself to then be able to turn and give back. So I'm not weighing so heavily on myself and I'm doing kindness because it really is just what brings me joy, and I'm not doing it out of any like guilt or or kind of inner stuff going on.

SPEAKER_03 27:58

Right. Yeah. And I love how you were talking about that at the beginning, and you said that it can be a diversion from your cloud to go out and and do those acts of kindness, whether it's you know, whatever it is. Um and and and that's so true because I I've noticed that years ago I was going through some mental health stuff, and I I had another podcast, and I was talking about current events type stuff. It was shortly after the pandemic, and by the time I did like a year of that, right? By the time I got done, I was like, oh my god, I was always angry, I was depressed, probably clinically, although I couldn't afford to go to a psychiatrist and find out. Umce I started doing this, this podcast about kindness and and meeting incredible people like yourself, um, I have not had any other not to that extent at any rate. You know, we all have our good days and bad days, right? But to the extent that I I was back then, I just feel better because of what I'm focusing on. I'm sure of it.

SPEAKER_00 29:25

Someone asked me because I was doing all this, like, am I gonna still go to support groups and stuff? And I was like, I'm not solved, I'm not fixed. Like even this morning, I'm trying to find a new therapist now, and that's an emotional journey. Um but there's just something in going through it and being open, and then the people you meet in in communities in in these spaces are like that world is just even if you're having the worst day and you go and you hear from someone else that they're having a bad day, you don't feel alone. And so I I really surround myself with this, like these groups where I'm like, yes, we're in a support group. And I tell them every support group, I said, I hate the reason we are all here, but I love that we are all here. And that is that feeling of the kindness that we go on days that not just the days we're struggling, we go on days we're having successes too, because you need to be there for those that are struggling to show you're not alone just because you're in the struggle. It's it's not a negative that I'm here and I'm in the success. Because even, you know, I I had gone to my support group the last few weeks and I had all successes because I was doing book stuff and it was happiness. And I remember kind of at the end of it pausing and saying, Can I just speak again? And I said, I I don't want anyone to feel bad that I've only been talking about successes, because I'll tell you, it's gonna, it's gonna cycle around. Like that's how it works.

SPEAKER_03 31:06

And 24 hours from now it could be a whole different story.

SPEAKER_00 31:10

And I'm going here like on Tuesday after maybe I process it all weekend. And so just this reminder of, and and that's kind of that overwhelming kindness thing, too, is being able to say it's okay if it goes either way, too. So I don't have to only, only, only have successes and then be really hard on myself when I struggle. I need to remember that there

Paying It Forward With Book Surprises

SPEAKER_00 31:35

are these things that give me joy and I'm gonna get back to them when this passes and and the cloud passes, is usually what I say.

SPEAKER_03 31:45

Yeah, yeah. Okay, so last question. If your message could stick with somebody who's listening today for years, what would you hope they carry with them?

SPEAKER_02 32:04

It's okay to not be okay. That's it, you know.

SPEAKER_03 32:10

Yeah. Yeah, because it is. And I think we place way too much importance on, you know, I'm going through something right now and it's gonna be here forever, and because it won't, right?

SPEAKER_00 32:24

Yeah. And that's why in so much of the book, when I it's hard because I'm in like the author world and people want to talk about, you know, what it's like to be an author and what it's like to market and stuff. I was like, I just I don't know how to answer because I think in some respect I'm so different, because there's something different than I get out of this. It's not about selling the books, it's about getting the books out there, and that is very different in how I structure it. And so, you know, even right now, I've been reaching out to bookstores and a lot of them, they want local authors. And I say, I want to tell you I'm not local, but the reason I'm reaching out to you is because the community you're in has a lot of mental health initiatives. And what we have been doing in the book is we tuck in little surprises. So if they have a cafe attached, if they have a store, um, we put in vouchers for cups of coffee on us. And if they don't, then we put in like stickers and little surprise treats and stuff. So the idea is this you decide to buy the book for mental health support and you open it up, and there's like a thank you. Thank you for your kindness in the mental health. And it's just that's the happiness. And I know that lowers my margins and profits and whatever. And that's where I get the kind of feedback from. But I'm like, but that's why we're doing this because someone decided to admit that they're having a hard time, that they want to open up this story and have a cloudy day. And I want to show them a little piece of sunshine in the world to say, yeah, you had a cloudy day, so you got this book. Here's a cup of coffee. Like, go get it.

SPEAKER_03 34:04

Yeah, yeah. That is absolutely genius. I love that idea. Well, I'm gonna have to see if there's any in my area because I want a sticker or a cup of coffee or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_00 34:18

I know I've I've sent some, I'll have to send you. I remember the states.

Final Message And Closing

SPEAKER_03 34:26

Oh, well, Kendall Consini Moore, thank you so much for taking the time to be on the show today. I really, really appreciate it. This is such an important conversation. And uh I love that you've that you've written this book and that you're including your family in your conversations and and helping some of my listeners maybe to to be more inclusive of with their family and and help them talk about this. It's fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 34:54

Thank you. Kindness is so important. Thank you for having a space for it.

SPEAKER_03 34:59

Thank you. Will do. Um, we'll be in touch and uh take care. Thanks so much for hanging out with us for today's episode of the kindness matters podcast with my guest, Kendall 15 more. I really appreciate the two minutes. If you like what you first, giving a quick review or comment really helps others find the job. We can make a one-time five join one of our supporters here over on five minutes. We will be back again next week with another episode.