What If Small Kindness Is Anti Trafficking Work

Human trafficking can feel like a distant headline until someone explains what it really is and how it actually works. We talk with Stephanie Page, co-founder and executive director of Stories Foundation, to break down the definition in plain language: trafficking is driven by force, fraud, or coercion, and it includes both sex trafficking and labor trafficking. Stephanie explains why labor trafficking is often the bigger global problem, and why awareness matters most when it changes how we see everyday vulnerability and control.

We also dig into what prevention looks like on the ground. Instead of only focusing on worst-case scenarios, Stephanie shares how Stories Foundation teaches teens, kids, and families to spot manipulation and unhealthy relationship patterns before they become gateways to exploitation. That conversation gets real fast, because manipulation is everywhere, and normalization is exactly what traffickers rely on. If you care about human trafficking prevention, healthy relationships, and practical education that communities can use, this part is for you.

Then we get into survivor support and the power of community storytelling. Stephanie walks through wraparound services, from practical needs like housing help and car repairs to a therapist-led support group. We also explore the social enterprise model behind Storyteller Cafe and how a mission-driven restaurant can fund nonprofit work, provide opportunity, and serve as a daily reminder that culture change is built from small actions done together.

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Transcript

Welcome And Guest Introduction

SPEAKER_01 0:20

Thank you for stumbling in or joining legitimately and voluntarily. I appreciate you either way. Every single one of us has only so many hours of the day, and the fact that you chose a portion of one of those hours to listen to this podcast means everything to me. Thank you, thank you so much. Um, I have such a great show for you guys today. Uh today on the Kindness Matters Podcast, I'm joined by Stephanie Page, who is the co-founder and executive director of Stories Foundation. It's a nonprofit working to fight human trafficking through community storytelling and purpose-driven business. Stephanie believes every story has value and that by sharing our own we can help change the stories of injustice around us. I don't know how I wrote that, but I like it. Welcome to the show, Stephanie.

SPEAKER_03 1:29

Thank you. So glad to be here.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

Uh it's it's a lovely day. The sun is shining. It may not be as warm as we like, but here we are, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:42

Yeah, we can pretend.

SPEAKER_01 1:44

Exactly, exactly.

Sex Versus Labor Trafficking Basics

SPEAKER_01 1:46

Um, I'm gonna get my ignorance out of the way first. And and this is probably jumping way ahead, but when I think of human trafficking right, and and we hear a lot about it in the news, especially these days, um, which is probably a good thing from your point of view, right? The more people who are aware of it, the better.

SPEAKER_03 2:10

Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 2:11

When when I hear that though, for whatever reason, I I think specifically sex trafficking. And that's not what human trafficking is, is it? Can you give us a a little rundown of what that phrase involves?

SPEAKER_03 2:30

Yeah, definitely. So human trafficking is the overarching um turn, and there are two types of human trafficking. So there's sex trafficking, which does get more press in the news, and then there's labor trafficking. And actually, labor trafficking is a bigger problem globally than sex trafficking. It generates more uh money, illicit profits than sex trafficking. Um, and for both labor and sex trafficking, the definition is force, fraud, or coercion. So if you're lied to, if you're forced to do something, coerced, um, against your will, if the if you think a situation is going to be one thing and it ends up being something else, um, if the goods, uh something of value is exchanged. So it could be money, but it also could be, I don't know, um clothing, um, you know, drugs, just something of value has to be exchanged for it to be human trafficking.

SPEAKER_01 3:29

All right. Wow. Yeah, and it I is it's such a such a huge problem. And and I mean, I know this is not a new problem, right? This has been around for hundreds of years.

SPEAKER_02 3:47

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 3:49

Yeah, I think we just have a name for it now, so I think that's the difference, right? We put it right in the last like 15, 20 years, we put a name on it.

SPEAKER_01 3:59

20 years? Is that it? Okay.

SPEAKER_02 4:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 4:02

So talk to me about how we just figured out a name for it 20 years ago. And it doesn't sound like it's that long ago. I mean, I've lived in Minnesota longer than that, but okay. Um so talk to me about how Stories Foundation began for you.

The Book That Changed Everything

SPEAKER_03 4:23

Yeah, so back in 2012, I was on a road trip with my mom and my dad. We were going to the wedding of a family friend, and my mom got a free book on her Kindle. So kind of random, right? Something random changed my life. Um, and it was called Passport Through the Darkness, and it was about a woman who um her and her family lived in Spain. They did missions work in Spain, and her kids befriended the neighbor kids, and then through that relationship, they learned that the neighbor kids are being trafficked out of the house next door. And this was probably like 30 years ago now that her story began, maybe even well, no, probably like 30 years ago. And so she worked with two for two years with the American government and the Spanish government to have the children return to their parents, and then she lost track of them and she suspected that they got sold back into slavery, and so that changed her life, and she ended up in the Sudan working with children who were victims of um being recruited to be child soldiers in the wars there. Uh, and that's what the book was about that my mom got free on her Kindle and she was reading it out loud. My dad was driving, and uh both my mom and I, yeah, just thought this is horrible. And you know, I naively thought slavery had been taken care of with Abraham Lincoln. I don't know, and turns out it hasn't hasn't been, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:51

Okay, you said your mom was reading it out loud. I'm like, was this an audiobook? How did everybody okay? Now I know.

SPEAKER_02 5:57

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:58

Um wow, what what an what a book. I mean, as it turns out, that was a good thing, but what a book to show up free on your Kindle. Right. You have a free book. Your book's about to be free.

SPEAKER_03 6:15

Right? Tomorrow? Sorry, this will air later, but that's exciting. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_01 6:20

Yeah, yeah. I got two two free days just trying to get the book out there.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

I'm excited.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

I see it. I see it.

SPEAKER_02 6:29

I'm excited.

SPEAKER_01 6:30

Shameless plug, right? Um so completely derailed my thought process.

Awareness Conferences Before The Cafe

SPEAKER_01 6:40

Um you you read this book and you went.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

Did you immediately go, we need to do something about this, or what was the Yeah, we had been um we had been talking, joking for a long time as a family about starting a coffee shop. We'd always kind of talked about that. And there was a coff a pastor in Washington, DC, and he started Ebenezer's, which is a nonprofit coffee shop, and they give all their money away to missions. And we followed him. And so, you know, very naively, we thought, oh, well, we could start a coffee shop and give our money away to fight human trafficking. This sounds like a great idea. And, you know, little did I know way back then that um there wasn't it was at the beginning of so much of the work. There, there wasn't, there weren't a lot of organizations doing the work. People didn't understand human trafficking. People still struggled to understand human trafficking. It's it's a hard, overwhelming topic. Um, but I didn't know all that way back then. I just thought, oh sure, we like coffee, people like coffee. Let's start a coffee shop and give our money away. Sounds fun.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

That works for me. That'd be enough to get me in.

SPEAKER_02 7:59

Thanks. Me too. I'm there. I'm right with you.

SPEAKER_01 8:04

Yeah. Oh wow. So was now you didn't initially start a brick and mortar coffee shop though, right?

SPEAKER_03 8:13

No, I sure wanted to. Um, so if you remember back to like 2012, 2013, social impact business wasn't popular then. People didn't understand, you know. I think we had toms, but that was probably it. Um now, you know, there's social impact business everywhere, and people understand the concept more. But back then when I talked about doing this, I got a lot of um that'll never work. Why would I give you money to start a social impact business when I could just give money directly to, you know, help people who are being trafficked? I had people say, oh, she just wants us to fund her dream of having a coffee shop. You know, there's a lot of negativity, people just didn't understand. And um, so we we talked about it for a long time and we started with awareness. We started by hosting awareness conferences because again, what I realized is nobody knew about human trafficking, too. Uh I thought I was behind, but really people didn't know about human trafficking, so that's where we started with was spreading awareness.

SPEAKER_02 9:15

I I ended up being, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

So so you were hosting these, were they like meetings or just kind of informational sessions about human trafficking or just trying to drive awareness?

SPEAKER_03 9:35

Yeah, back yeah, back then, before I started, we started stories, I put conferences on. So that's something that I did. And so that was a natural um segue. And the we put on human trafficking awareness conferences. We partnered with local churches and we did three three years in a row, partnered with local churches and and did um conferences about human trafficking and brought in vendors and um the organizations that were here to share and talked about what it was. And I still say and said for a long time back then, I'll talk to anybody. So whether it's one person, two, five, ten, whoever will have me, I will talk about human trafficking. So once I once I felt like I had a good grasp on it enough to communicate about it myself, then I went and and could and talked to anyone who would listen, really. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

Well, and then I mean, that's how it starts, right? You get people to perk up and pay attention and and then you can work towards your goal.

SPEAKER_03 10:40

Um, and would now these conferences, these were all out of your own pocket, or because it I mean um I mean I guess an insurance it it could probably be free, but yeah, people paid, I feel like people would pay not more than 20 bucks to come. So it was just enough to offset our cost. It was pretty much a break-even. They would they would come, um, it would usually be just one day, we'd feed them lunch, and you know, hear a main keynote, and then there'd be breakouts. Um, we would have vendors, they'd be some in you know, intentional shopping or looking at different organizations, and yeah. Okay. I did some, it was a new kind of like MLM thing at the time. And I did this one push where I sold some MLM, and that was our first seed money for stories. I think I made like $2,000 or something in like one, like one time. And I I said, all the crap from this will go to, you know, back then it was Stories Cafe, that's what we called it. And I, you know, you do what you gotta do to get money in the beginning.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

For sure. So yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:53

That's funny. MLM. I I got tricked into going to an Amway meeting one time. And I have had a bad taste in my mouth about MLM ever since. So I won't even go near it.

SPEAKER_02 12:07

Well, it's the tricked part of it, right? Yeah, it's the tricked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't no one wants to be tricked into anything.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

The truth about why I'm here, right? Whatever. Yeah, yeah. That was a trend.

SPEAKER_02 12:19

I think.

SPEAKER_01 12:22

So you you held these these conferences and and you were working towards a coffee shop, but first you had to stop at coffee cart.

Fundraising For A Mission Food Truck

SPEAKER_03 12:36

Yeah, we did a food truck. So everyone said start small, and um it this was like at the beginning, the checks were kind of becoming cool, and we actually, I guess I get inspired by things around me because we actually watched Chef, which is a movie about a guy starting a food truck. And um, yeah, yep, yep. And so we watched that and we thought, oh, we could do that. It was a great movie. Yeah, yep. So we were inspired and we thought people would love a food truck that fights human trafficking. And um, so we did a we did a Kickstarter. We became a nonprofit at the end of 2015 after we'd done all this awareness work, decided to go the nonprofit route, and then right away in um March of 2016, we launched uh it was start some good. So it's like Kickstarter for nonprofits, uh, raise $30,000 in 30 days, kind of a thing, where if you don't raise it, you don't get anything. Um, so that was the most stressful fundraising I've ever done, but it worked. We did it. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:41

That's the important thing.

unknown 13:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

So it was a food truck. Now were you doing the cooking there?

SPEAKER_03 13:50

Yeah or yeah, we developed the recipes and we made falafel and made like um barbecue chicken sandwiches, got our bread from breadsmith, so local, tried to stay local, made all our own sauces, made our own pickles, um, fried our own chips. Yeah, it was very fun. Talked about human trafficking, and then at that time we gave um a portion of the profit away to local organizations that were doing the work.

SPEAKER_01 14:19

Okay. And how long did you run the food truck then?

SPEAKER_02 14:23

We ran it until 2020, so for three years.

SPEAKER_01 14:26

Okay. All right. Yeah, oh, we don't want to even talk about 2020. So so now you have everything off the rail. Yeah. My mind kind of blocks out that whole like one to two year period, 2020, 2021. Um so now you have this brick and mortar coffee shop slash restaurant. Your menu looks amazing, by the way. I can't believe I haven't been in there yet. Spoiler alert. Stephanie's in the same location as me. And I haven't been. I'm a bad host.

SPEAKER_02 15:05

So close.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

I'm a bad host. So talk to me about what Stories Foundation actually does.

What Stories Foundation Does Today

SPEAKER_01 15:17

You you you make the money through the restaurant, and then where does that go? What does that look like?

SPEAKER_03 15:27

Yeah, so Stories Foundation is the official nonprofit, the 51c3. And then the cafe is a program of our foundation. And so um, what Stories Foundation does is we do awareness, we talk about what human trafficking is, what are the root causes of human trafficking, and then as community members, what can we do to decrease human trafficking? How can we, I believe that we have human trafficking because we have some cultural issues that we've allowed to be kind of incubated in our culture. And so that means that as community members, we have power to change culture and um it's how we see each other, right? It's being kind is a huge part of it. Um, how we see each other, how we treat each other, how we engage. Yeah. Um, so we talk about that, and then we do prevention work with kids and teens and families talking about healthy and unhealthy relationships. I think when we talk about human trafficking and exploitation, there's a spectrum. So exploitation and trafficking is on one side of the relationship spectrum, and manipulation is on the other side. So when we allow or we don't recognize manipulation in relationships, we're setting the stage for someone to be more vulnerable to become exploited or trafficked later. So it's really important to talk about um manipulation and unhealthy patterns in relationships, especially when we're talking to teenagers, um, even younger, you know, preteen and kids. So we do that, and then we support survivors as they are coming out of a life of trafficking with wraparound services, and that can look like a a lot of different things.

SPEAKER_01 17:04

So that's that's really interesting. I when when you and I knew that you were involved in prevention, but I didn't know what that looked like. Um when you talk about um what what do those talks look like? Uh when you're talking to somebody about prevention, yeah and you mentioned it right there, but I am I I kind of want to dig a little deeper. What is what does that sound like?

Prevention Through Healthy Relationships

SPEAKER_03 17:34

Yeah. So we talk about um connected is our curriculum for that, for prevention, and it talks about how when we see the value in our own story, then we can see the value in other people's stories, and we see the value that we have being connected together in community. And so it's this idea that when I feel insecure and I am manipulative to get someone to meet my needs, I don't I don't see my own value and worth. I'm using someone else to meet my needs. That's setting a precedent for um using other people instead of just knowing that I have worth and value, and when I know I have worth and value, then I can be generous with someone else. And that doesn't mean that we we can be honest about our needs. We do need each other. Like it's when I talk to kids, I say it's the difference between like if I go up to a friend and I say, Oh, you look really cute, but the only reason I tell her is because I want her to tell me I look cute. That's kind of manipulative, right? But if I went up to her and I said, I don't feel good about myself today, like, do I am I okay? And she's like, Oh my goodness, you're great, right? Because she's a good friend. Or, or if I genuinely say to her, wow, you look so good. And then she's like, Oh my goodness, girl, you look so good. Like that's an authentic connection. We wanna, we wanna bring awareness to authenticity in our relationships so that we're not normalizing unhealthy patterns because uh really those are they exist everywhere, adult to you know, adult to student, adult to child, um, children to children, in romantic relations, you know, we we have normalized unhealthy, manipulative relationships in business everywhere. And that really sets the stage for us to not recognize when we're being exploited. If we we don't have a red flag, like, oh, this isn't healthy because we've already been in this on a lesser scale.

SPEAKER_01 19:21

Wow. Wow. So you do these talks to at schools, I'm guessing, as well as other places.

SPEAKER_03 19:28

Where schools, yeah, schools, churches, community. Right now we're planning one that will happen in the fall up in North Branch. That it we're collaborating with the church and the community ed. So it's uh, you know, we we go places and and collaborate in communities.

SPEAKER_01 19:48

Wow. Okay, so now let's jump to the the survivors and and how you help the survivors.

Wraparound Support For Survivors

SPEAKER_01 20:00

Did you mention that?

SPEAKER_02 20:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

So we work with on average 13 to 15 survivors a year, and it can look like um helping them tell their stories. So um one of the ways that we've done that in the past is we ran a podcast. I've been, you know, we haven't done it for a couple of years, but but it still lives on, and we have a few survivor story seasons where you can go back and listen. So we walked alongside survivors to help them tell their stories. Um, and then we also give them platforms to speak at events and things. Um, so they kind of take the power back um for their story. And then we help them, you know, with car repairs, finding housing, finding employment. Um, we run a support group at the cafe once a week with it's a therapist-led support group for survivors of trafficking and exploitation, so safe community, um, just a place they can come and be seen and known and um process what's happened to them and how they're living their life now. Uh, just many, many different ways. It's it's very case by case. We're working in the future, within the next one to two years, we're gonna roll out a job training program, and I'm working on getting a house. So then it'll be more less organic, more programmed, but up until this point it's been more organic as we work with survivors.

SPEAKER_01 21:22

I know you'll be successful in whatever you do for sure. Um would would the average Jane or John Doe in America be surprised at what the victim of human trafficking, the typical victim of human trafficking looks like? Do you think? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 21:45

Yeah. It they yeah, they walk among us. So you wouldn't see somebody you think, oh, they they are being trafficked or they were trafficked. Um they come from all walks of life, um, all socio economic. Backgrounds. Um, really the the commonality for someone who's trafficked or exploited is vulnerability that is exploited, and we've all been vulnerable. So it's not, I mean, if you have more vulnerabilities, like you know, you you're more vulnerable to someone taking advantage of you, but really the vulnerabilities that are being exploited right now when we talk about teenagers is just the the need and desire to be seen, known, valued, loved. And we all have that vulnerability. So that's human.

SPEAKER_01 22:35

Talk about your your um talk about stories.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

I don't think you're recording, Mike.

SPEAKER_01 22:42

No, I am.

SPEAKER_02 22:43

Oh, okay. It says okay. Okay. Yep, I am. Okay, perfect.

SPEAKER_01 22:50

It better be. Um talk to me about stories business-based models.

How The Cafe Sustains The Mission

SPEAKER_01 22:58

Um how do they support the mission? Um like like how does a cafe support the mission?

SPEAKER_03 23:07

Yeah, so the cafe is um serves breakfast and lunch, and we also have a little boutique store, and we have a we rent out our space in the evenings, and we have a a room that we also rent out to private parties, and all that profit goes into our same bake account that supports the work of the foundation. And so um it it is a part of our funding for the work that we do. We'll always raise funds as a nonprofit, but the cafe is a part of that stability, that sustainability that we want to have as a nonprofit. And then the activities that happen at the cafe, we do awareness work at the cafe, we host survivors at the cafe, we provided jobs and we'll continue to do that for survivors through the cafe. Um, and just a huge part of our awareness work is about this culture change. And so it's being an example of what it looks like to that when we do seemingly small things, that we can make a big difference when we do them together. And so it's this idea that together we do create change and that by buying a cup of coffee, um, by seeing the person in front of you, we're changing a culture that has normalized exploitation. We can we can make that less normal in our community.

SPEAKER_01 24:30

Right. Yeah, for sure. Um so do your does your staff is your staff um are any of them survivors?

SPEAKER_03 24:45

They have been. Currently, we don't have any survivors employed, but when um within the last year we have had survivors that have worked here and have moved on and gotten other jobs and then that's an option. Yes. Yeah. And we're creating more um more job opportunities that are less front-facing so that we can offer more to survivors wherever they are on their journey.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Yeah. Um and and I kind of think that's I mean aside from what you do on a daily basis, offering or or creating opportunities for survivors. Um it's one of the kindest things I think you can do. And it really aligns with what you're trying to do, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:44

Yeah. We talked a lot about that happened to you. Right. Right.

Hope, Kindness, And Culture Change

SPEAKER_02 25:54

So talk to me a little bit about what gives Stephanie hope. That's a good question.

SPEAKER_03 26:04

Um, you know, I I find it very hopeful that in our in a world where Facebook would tell me that we don't value each other's humanity anymore. That in my real life, in my day-to-day life at the cafe and when I meet with people, that overwhelmingly people care for each other. And that they do choose kindness and compassion and empathy. And that when they're given the choice, they want to do something that matters and that makes a difference. And um I think that as human beings, we get really overwhelmed, and that's normal by the darkness and the hard and the painful. But when we when you give people an opportunity to do something that is um brings light to the darkness, they say yes to that. And so that is so hopeful, and um, it's really beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

Yeah, that was, I mean, and I see that too. I see what you're talking about every day. Um and that was kind of the whole premise for this podcast was you know, you can look on your social media feeds or the news, and you can see and and it would be easy to understand how somebody could feel like nobody gets along, and there are just really horrible people around every single corner. And yet when we're out in real life at your cafe, Storyteller's Cafe, get that plug in there again, um, or or just even in the grocery store or what have you. There are the kind people in the world who would never dream of talking to another human being, much less treating another human being the kind of the the ways that we see on on social media, right?

SPEAKER_02 28:01

Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 28:03

And and I just thought the world needs to hear about these people and they need to understand that regardless of what we hear from the news or the social medias social media, whatever. Yeah. Um or see in our feeds that there are just really well more there are more kind people in the world than I think anyone really realizes. And you're one of them.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

Oh well, and so are you. And I think it's realizing that the small things really do matter makes it so we don't give up doing the small things because we can feel kind of like, oh, did that even make a difference? And it does it does make a difference, and so don't quit, you know.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

Yeah, yeah, it absolutely does. And and I think you know, you're absolutely right, you know, and I think when you when you go out and you engage in that kindness, when you go to Storyteller's Cafe and you purchase a cup of coffee, you know that's going towards ending human trafficking, that makes you want to go out and do it more, right? I saw some uh a former guest of mine was on, I don't remember where she was on, uh one of the socials, and she went, chasing the dopamine all week. And I'm like, that's kind of how I feel. It's like I'm always chasing that dopamine hit that I get when I do kindness, right?

SPEAKER_03 29:37

Yes, exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

And I can think of a lot of things to be addicted to that are worse than that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:48

It's a good return on investment for kindness is a good return on investment.

What Listeners Can Do This Week

SPEAKER_01 29:52

Exactly. So for my listeners, what should they take away from this conversation? What's the main overarching theme here?

SPEAKER_03 30:06

Yeah, well, I mean, we really believe that every single person of the story and every story has value. And what that means is nothing like your your story, your influence, it matters, and it's not too small, it's not insignificant, and um the conversations that you have, the way that you treat people, um, what you choose to learn about and how you allow that to change, how you interact, how you influence, that that really matters. And there's no one that's the same as someone else. So you, your unique gifts, abilities, experiences, where you've been, where, where you've been placed, the the community, all of that's unique to you. And so what you choose to do and how you choose to treat people, it really makes a difference. And when we when we all believe that, I do believe that we will create change where there's injustice and where there's pain. And that's what we're trying to do.

SPEAKER_01 31:00

So absolutely. That's a great cause. And what do you think what can people do, whether they're in Blaine, Minnesota or they're in Sydney, Australia, or wherever, to support your mission this week?

SPEAKER_03 31:20

Yeah, I would I would say awareness is the first step. So if you feel surprised learning about human trafficking, um, we have education on our website. You can reach out to us. Um would I'll talk to anyone about human trafficking virtually in person. So learn more because once you learn more, it changes the way you see, changes the way you act, it changes the way you talk. And that's how we're really gonna um be able to come alongside survivors and also prevent human trafficking. So become more engaged, become more aware. That's definitely a first step that you can take today.

SPEAKER_01 31:56

Perfect. Um, I should also meant you mentioned the website. There will be a link to that in the show not show show notes. Um, Stephanie, you are are making an incredibly positive difference in the world, and I thank you for that. Um, and thank you for for taking a few minutes to be on the show with me today.

SPEAKER_03 32:19

Thank you for having me. What an honor.

Final Thanks And Share The Show

SPEAKER_00 32:26

Thank you so much for tuning in today. What if you found value in this episode with my guest, Stephanie Pate? With a friend, or family members, or five,