You, Me and An Album

201. Cassie Wieland (Vines) Discusses A Winged Victory for the Sullen (self-titled)

Al Melchior

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New York-based composer, multi-instrumentalist and songwriter Cassie Wieland joins Al for this episode to introduce him to the 2011 self-titled debut album by A Winged Victory for the Sullen. Cassie talks about discovering this album during her college years and why it was an important album during that part of her life. She discusses how the album is compelling for her even though (or even because) it doesn’t make obvious demands for her attention. Cassie also delves into the process of making her first full-length album as Vines and making the transition from composer to songwriter.


Learn more about Cassie’s music at https://www.vines.music/ and on her Bandcamp page at https://vinesmusic.bandcamp.com/.

You can also follow Cassie and her Vines project on the following platforms:

Instagram: @cassie__vines

TikTok and YouTube: @cassievines


Cassie and Al had mentioned her upcoming performance at Basilica SoundScape 2025. Get more information about the festival at https://basilicahudson.org/programs/soundscape/.


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3:16 Cassie joins the show

4:02 Cassie explains how her varied musical tastes evolved

7:15 Cassie expounds on why she refers to her music as ambient

9:55 Cassie talks about how AWVFTS was unlike anything else she had heard when first discovering it

12:28 Cassie explains why listening to AWVFTS was helpful during her college years

14:47 Listening to the album now brings Cassie back to certain moments in the past

15:55 Cassie talks about one of her favorite elements of AWVFTS’ music

18:19 Al had trouble getting past his perception of the album as lacking contrast

23:48 Cassie likes that AWVFTS isn’t concerned with grabbing her attention

24:51 There are “tiny moments” that Cassie looks forward to on the album

26:45 Cassie talks about developing one’s own judgment about what good and bad music are

34:40 Cassie appreciates the synergy she hears between AWVFTS’ two members

36:25 Al was surprised by the hookiness of “Evicted”

38:34 Cassie talks about writing instrumentals versus writing songs with lyrics

40:52 Cassie discusses creating the shape of I’ll be here as a cohesive album

43:54 Cassie recounts the process of writing “Evicted”

46:01 Cassie talks about the making of the “Evicted” video

50:40 Cassie discusses “being loved isn’t the same as being understood”’s viral moment

52:54 Cassie talks about playing at Basilica SoundScape and other upcoming events


Outro music is from “I’ll be here” by Vines.

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