209. Leanne Butkovic and Angie Boylan of Freezing Cold Discuss No Doubt, Tragic Kingdom

Leanne Butkovic and Angie Boylan, who comprise the rhythm section of the New York-based indie rock trio Freezing Cold, join Al to discuss No Doubt’s 1995 breakthrough album Tragic Kingdom. Leanne and Angie each talk about how the album was formative for them, why they still enjoy it and why being a fan of the band—and of Gwen Stefani in particular—is sometimes challenging. They also talk about Freezing Cold’s latest album, Treasure Pool, and their collaborative songwriting process.

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1:38 Leanne and Angie join the show

2:04 Al talks about his preconceptions about Tragic Kingdom

3:43 Angie details how she became obsessed with Tragic Kingdom and No Doubt when she was 12

7:46 Leanne recalls her first concert and her early music listening experiences

10:58 Leanne identifies the elements of No Doubt’s sound and image that she found so appealing

14:14 Angie talks about Gwen Stefani as a fashion icon

15:18 Leanne discusses the complicated nature of being a Gwen Stefani fan

20:43 Angie talks about the more politically progressive side of No Doubt

23:03 Leanne and Angie have felt betrayed by Stefani at times

25:10 Al got over his preconceptions

27:31 No Doubt demonstrate their versatility on Tragic Kingdom

30:49 Leanne talks about Gwen Stefani as a lyricist

32:00 Angie, Leanne and Al discuss how Adrian Young and Gwen Stefani thrived as relatively inexperienced musicians

36:13 Angie and Leanne cite some of their favorite tracks from the album

39:39 Angie notes the one track that she skips

40:27 Leanne thinks No Doubt may have benefited from Interscope needing Tragic Kingdom to be a hit 

41:48 Leanne shares her reactions to the album’s final two tracks

45:34 Leanne and Angie enjoyed No Doubt’s 2024 reunion performance at Coachella

47:08 Leanne explains how she joined Freezing Cold

48:52 Leanne discusses how Freezing Cold typically write songs

50:40 “The Day” is an outlier on Treasure Pool

55:20 Angie talks about how she and Jeff Cunningham have simplified their songwriting for Freezing Cold

57:03 Angie explains how she became the touring and studio drummer for Sleater-Kinney

58:26 Leanne discusses some of Marissa Paternoster’s contributions to Freezing Cold

1:00:12 Angie and Leanne talk about Freezing Cold's upcoming plans

Outro music is from “Eclipse” by Freezing Cold.