Ep 35 Vaccinating Latinos in Washington State: Progress and Challenge

Since June, vaccination rates among Latinos in Washington state have increased from 45 to 60 percent. But that still lags behind the overall state vaccination rate of 72 percent. On this episode, Dr. Leo Morales of the University of Washington tells the Chino Y Chicano that amid the progress, there are still challenges in vaccinating the state’s Latino population. Dr. Morales is a professor and assistant dean with the Office of Health Care Equity for UW Medicine and co-director of the Latino Center for Health, a health sciences research center focusing on Latino health and wellness at the University of Washington.  

Read: https://southseattleemerald.org/voices/2025/07/22/masked-men-are-detaining-people-when-will-washingtons-leaders-protect-us

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Transcript

Enrique Cerna (00:08):

Hello again, and welcome to Chino Y Chicano.

Matt Chan (00:11):

I'm Matt Chan the Chino

Enrique Cerna (00:13):

I'm Enrique Cerna, the Chicano. Well, coming up, we're going to talk with Dr. Leo Morales of the University of Washington. He heads up a project there called Adios Covid, we're going to be talking about the Latino community and,usome of the research that he's been doing, actually new data we've talked to him before he joined us. I believe in June at a time when there was a lot of,ulocal government entities,ureally praising themselves for getting vaccination rates up, but in the Latino community and communities of color, not so much. So Matt,uwe decided to bring him back because he actually has some new data about the Latino community that he wanted to share with us. So we said, come on back, let's talk about it and talk about,usome of the challenges particularly now with the variant. Well, yeah, or a community.

Matt Chan (01:08):

I mean, at the beginning of the summer, I mean, it was the, you know, the love boat, right. Everybody thought we had it under control and then of course spread next and the anti-vaxxers, you know, made sure that our summer became a nightmare. And so

Enrique Cerna (01:23):

It's still going on. I mean, what is, I guess the whole thing is, again, this, this frustration that I think both of us have about the people that are anti maskers, anti vaccine and why

Matt Chan (01:41):

I know I'll get it. It's it's fatigue, right. I mean, we've been into this now, it's going on two years. Right. And it's just, oh, you know, for example, you know in Seattle there's some restaurants say they require vaccinations. So my, you know, so Gei and I went to lunch and we go out there and we show them our vaccination cards and they go, yeah. Yeah. Okay. And then I proceed to watch at least a dozen groups come in, not one of them was asked for a vaccination card and I'm going like, okay, this is where we're at. You know? So that was disturbing to me.

Enrique Cerna (02:18):

Yeah. And, you know, I've felt this fatigue and frustration because it has been dragging on for so long. We had a little bit of light there and obviously we didn't pay attention to the variant and it's spreading, and it has come back to really kind of kick our. At this point. One of my older brothers passed away recently and we nearly had to cancel the funeral because of the fact that my niece and almost all of her kids, except the oldest tested positive for COVID and my niece and her husband both were vaccinated. My sister had to get tested to her husband, got tested and, and we were concerned that we were going to have to cancel everything for the funeral services because of just, you know, safety sake for everybody. Fortunately my sister tested negative. My brother-in-law tested negative, so we were good. But it's just goes to show you that everything is unpredictable right now. Oh

Matt Chan (03:19):

Yeah.

Enrique Cerna (03:20):

I'm vaccinated. You're vaccinated. I'm about to get the booster. But the best thing you can do is, is get vaccinated because my niece, the one that's in her forties she, she only had just some symptoms for a couple of days where she felt kinda rotten, but bounced back, was really kind of like a bad cold, more than anything else, but, you know, so there's that. So you know, that if you get vaccinated that you likely, aren't going to end up on a ventilator and that's, that's the biggest thing,

Matt Chan (03:52):

Get vaccinated and get your booster wear a mask when appropriate. I mean, it's just common sense at this point. I mean, you know, I told you I was reading an article that the Coke back money and, and you know, the right wing machine machine is gearing up to fight the mandates that are coming and, you know, and it's like to what end, right? What, how does the right wing benefit from people dying and not being vaccinated and prolonging all the bad stuff that comes along with COVID if financially, I don't get it.

Enrique Cerna (04:25):

It's, it's putting politics as a priority over human life,

Matt Chan (04:30):

But what kind of politics are we talking about? That's

Enrique Cerna (04:32):

A good question because I'm not even sure they really know, and there's so many different elements and factions and all of this, but, you know, it's a pandemic people it's worldwide,

Matt Chan (04:44):

It's geared to make Biden's administration fail. That's like sending the surfs out in, you know, to storm the castle. I mean, it's like, it's human life has so little value to the right wing that their ideology, Trump's not to use that disgusting word that it overrides, you know, human life, I guess.

Enrique Cerna (05:04):

So at this point it kind of looks that way. And that's really a sad fact. So I don't know that I'm so

Matt Chan (05:12):

Sick of old white guys. I'm sorry.

Enrique Cerna (05:15):

Well, what can we do about that? That that's been the you

Matt Chan (05:19):

Get out and vote this

Enrique Cerna (05:20):

November. You go, there you go. That's at the top of the list and, and every opportunity you know, make sure that you get out the vote and make sure that your voices heard. All right. Well, what, let's turn out to Dr. Leo Morales as we mentioned, Dr. Morales joined us in June and we talked then about some of the struggles in getting the Latino community to get vaccinated. And he has an update for us on what's happening now, particularly in the Latino community, as far as the variant con is concerned. And of course he heads up a project called adios COVID here is Dr. Leo. Morales/ Dr. Leo. Morales, welcome back. Good to have you with us again, although I'd have to say, I wish it was better circumstances and not talking about COVID. So we do appreciate,

Dr. Morales (06:19):

Oh, that's good to be back. Thank you for inviting me.

Enrique Cerna (06:23):

We, last time we talked, we were talking about the Latino community the program that the project you are working on with a colleague called adios COVID unfortunately, we're not saying adios COVID or to the variant. How is the Latino community doing now? Yeah.

Dr. Morales (06:43):

Well, good question. I think the last time we spoke was probably in June right about then. Yeah. And so that was really before I think we may have talked about the potential for the Delta variant to cause a surge, which it has. And so we're still in the middle of that, you know, 95% plus probably closer to 99% of current cases are the Delta variant. And it's very, very transmissible as we've seen with the spread of the virus among the unvaccinated in particular, but also with breakthrough cases among those who are vaccinated, the Latino community is again, suffering from a disproportionate number of infections. And, and that's that's born out by the data that the state has on this dashboard.

Matt Chan (07:31):

When we talk about the vaccinated versus unvaccinated and the breakthrough cases, I, you know, there's that whole like equivalency, right. But I think the unvaccinated cases will vastly outnumber the breakthrough cases. Right? I mean, so on a numbers basis, what does that really mean? Because when you hear like, well, breakthrough cases, that means a vaccine is not working, but it is, it's just very small, right? Well,

Dr. Morales (07:56):

I think the way to gauge the effectiveness of the vaccine is not just by whether it prevents breakthroughs, you know? And, and yes, the proportion of breakthrough cases is relatively small, still very small, like,

Matt Chan (08:10):

Like one out of like one out of 10, one out of a hundred.

Dr. Morales (08:13):

I don't have the exact figure, but I, I know it's really quite small, but all of us know about someone, right. And I think that's creating a sense of more spread than there actually is when you look at the statistics. So I, I do believe it's still relatively small, but I think the bigger issue is the vaccine protects against serious illness. That is certainly true. So if you look at the proportion of people in the hospital who are vaccinated versus unvaccinated, the vast majority are un-vaccinated. The good news is these vaccines are still very effective in preventing serious illness that can require hospitalization or ICU treatment. So I, I think that is probably the more important factor still breakthroughs are relatively rare.

Enrique Cerna (09:03):

Are we talking about people that are getting COVID now, particularly the people that are vaccinated, are they most likely getting COVID from an unvaccinated person

Dr. Morales (09:16):

Question to answer? I, on, on, you know, on the basis of data, I really don't know. And I haven't seen anything that would shed light on that I would suspect. Probably yes. Just because, you know, people who are unvaccinated are probably more likely to transmit but they are also a fewer proport, you know, there are fewer number of people now in our communities that are unvaccinated. And so that would require a lot of contact. Right. So one of the things that's interesting is that unvaccinated people tend to hang out with unvaccinated people.

Matt Chan (09:51):

Yeah, that's true. I'm sure that's true.

Dr. Morales (09:54):

You know, there is this leakage, right. That kind of gets out and starts spreading among those who are vaccinated too. You have to get within infectious disease, different distances to, to catch it from someone. So I think those two factors are working in opposition, Latinos

Matt Chan (10:09):

Getting hit disproportionately again, because of those numbers, the unvaccinated Latinos must know people that have gotten the virus in these rural areas. What is going to convince them that this is real and that they should get vaccinated. I mean, where's the resistance, a lot of it, because I can't believe that a lot of it's political. Right. I mean, I get that for the MAGA people. Well,

Dr. Morales (10:31):

They're maga Latinos too. Yeah, that's

Enrique Cerna (10:33):

True. Yeah. I got cousins

Dr. Morales (10:36):

Anytime the disease is mild. Right. And and so the fear factor, you know, the numbers in the hospital come from the very large numbers who are getting infected, but particularly in younger people who are the un-vaccinated that disease can be mild or even asymptomatic. So the perception perhaps on the individual level is this is not such a bad disease. And yet we know when we look at the larger numbers, that it is a problem, right. Because it causes a lot of people to get seriously ill. So part of it is just a perceptual issue, which is, you know, yeah, I know somebody, but gee was just like a cold, you know when enough people get it, you get those, you get the numbers that end up in the hospital. So there's these confusing messages, confusing information out there may lead people to, to make the wrong decision, you know, to think that it's not important to get vaccinated.

Enrique Cerna (11:34):

When we talked last time we were really focused a lot on the fact that the time we were talking about like the state and the county, they were talking about 70% vaccination rates. But we also, you pointed out the fact that it wasn't that high among Latinos and that it was a, still a struggle to get people vaccinated as we were dealing with the variant now. And we know that it is just spreading so rapidly, has that changed because we're seeing among the mainstream of more people going out there to get vaccinated because of the,

Dr. Morales (12:12):

I think all the press and all the attention to the, to the surge and to the situation in hospitals right now, where there just aren't pads available. You know and the mandate I think the mandate has had an impact and getting people vaccinated for people who were sitting on the sidelines, or didn't think it was important when they need the vaccine to get, keep their job, you know, that gets people going. So I think all of those things have, and there has been improvement. So I was just I'm preparing a report, reexamining vaccination rates, and you know, what, we've, what, what I can see in our, in the data I've been looking at is that, you know, we've gone from about 45% of Latinos vaccinated in June to about 60% as of this month. And that's looking at the state as a whole. So that's a 15% increase, pretty big over a period of three months. And you think

Enrique Cerna (13:12):

It's economic factors that are really driving that

Dr. Morales (13:15):

Too, you know, especially all of the alarms around, you know, the number of ill, very sick people, the news about Delta and how easily it spreads. And certainly the mandate, you have to get vaccinated to keep your job. If you're, you know, in one of the job categories that are under that mandate

Enrique Cerna (13:33):

And the numbers that you were gathering or we're talking statewide.

Dr. Morales (13:37):

So these are among individuals who are 12 years of age and older, and for the state based on counts, coming from the department of health and the population counts all come from the office of finance and budget at the state. So they have estimates of Latinos for the state. And also by county, when we look at individual counties, there are some variation. So what the data is showing is that vaccination rates among Latinos vary from 23 to 84%, depending on the county, you're looking at with a median of 48%.

Enrique Cerna (14:09):

So I guess what county needs work? Well,

Dr. Morales (14:11):

Let me, let me share with you some of the counties that are doing well. So king county has about a 67% coverage of 12 and older Latinos in the county. And as a point of reference, their own dashboard is showing that Latinos are vaccinated at 68%. So the numbers I have are very similar, what you don't find is for the other counties. So other counties that have done well include Okanogan, Chelan, and Douglas sort of north central, and they're up between 67 to 80% coverage Okanogan, is at 80%

Enrique Cerna (14:44):

Actually, that's, that's a good thing because we're talking about, you know, the Eastern part of the state, where there has been a lot of opposition. Yes.

Dr. Morales (14:51):

And, and I'll just say, okay, now going in particular, I'm familiar with there. One of the, you know, they have some really good people there that are doing a lot of work. They're not as populous in terms of Latinos, other counties. Yeah. Come on grant, which are kind of more central or at 57 and 53%, but the place that still needs work is sort of the Tri-Cities area. So, and a little bit east and north of there. So Lincoln, Benton and Franklin are at 36%, 42% and 43% vaccination rate.

Enrique Cerna (15:21):

So what's going on there that they're lagging. And even in Yakima, I mean, 57% is that's a good number, but you know, when you have what the population there is nearly half 50% Latino. Yeah.

Dr. Morales (15:32):

Yeah. I work with someone in the Tri-Cities or partner with him, and he's been working very hard offering lots of different vaccine clinics and Pasco offering $50 per shot, whether it's your first or second shot, you know, and they're making progress, but he tells me that there's a politics is a factor there. That apparently there's also just misinformation that has people concerned about the efficacy again, you know, does it really protect you or is it a big deal if you get the disease and also, you know, these issues around, you know, whether for it affects fertility, you know, there's, there's, there's some concerns out there, again, based on no good evidence that the vaccine somehow is, can impact fertility or change your genetic makeup. Again,

Enrique Cerna (16:19):

Nicki Minaj thinks your testicles will inflate from XY. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. We, we had a recent, long discussion about that one.

Dr. Morales (16:29):

That's just completely nonsense. 

Enrique Cerna (16:32):

Does that then become like a cultural thing with Latinos when you're talking about a family and you're talking about an impact on a family or a child

Dr. Morales (16:40):

And, and, and maybe parents are like skeptical to get their children vaccinated, you know, the unvaccinated, the other thing to know is who, who are they? Demographically is younger people, okay. At least vaccinated are young adults and adolescents, you know, who are you know, the lower age range. So 12 to 19 and up to about 40 is where you see lower rates of vaccination.

Enrique Cerna (17:07):

That's the same age where they think they're invincible anyway. Right.

Dr. Morales (17:10):

I mean, you know, this is not something that is going to get to me, you know? So I think all those factors are in play. And, you know, those, that part of the state is, you know, outside, I guess, so that the concentrations in the Tri-Cities themselves, but the more rural outlying areas, you know, there just, aren't a lot of services there. So it's more of a hassle.

Enrique Cerna (17:28):

And then we also know that as this wave of 19 COVID-19 and the variant is hit, that those are the areas where the oppositions to mass and everything else are just really skyrocketing and intense.

Dr. Morales (17:45):

Yeah. That's stupid. Yeah. Like, you know, this is the, the virus is not political. It will infect anyone. Yeah.

Matt Chan (17:53):

Yeah. But, you know, I gotta think that the vocal ones, the crazy ones are a minority, but then the media magnifies it by covering it. And so it becomes like this is happening everywhere. That's, what's so crazy because there's no perspective. Okay. So how far are we away from getting kids vaccinated? That's a big concern to me because, you know, the Delta variant, when it started, right. Kids were well, kids were aren't infected at that rate. Well, in mutated and the, and the virus always looks for a new host. Right. And the kids are the fertile territory now.

Dr. Morales (18:26):

Absolutely. They are a big pocket of the unvaccinated. So well, you know, we're, I think we're pretty close to 11 to five to 11 year olds being approved.

Matt Chan (18:36):

Oh, like how close are we to things? So

Dr. Morales (18:37):

What I've been reading in the media is that you know, Pfizer has applied for permission to, to you know, to vaccinate. We might see approval to vaccinate five to 11 year olds. Wow.

Matt Chan (18:51):

That would be fantastic. Yep.

Enrique Cerna (18:53):

You know, doc, you have this effort that you have been working on with your colleague called I think it was COVID. Tell me more about what you've been doing with that since we last talked and what's been good, what's been tough.

Dr. Morales (19:07):

And we were in a different place. Right. And the state was opening up and it looked like we were we're past the worst of it. And maybe we're going to get back to normal. And you know, that really, I think, took the wind out of the sails of the vaccination efforts. I mean, pop-up clinics were not getting anybody there. They just were not working. Nothing worked. It's been sort of a process of regrouping and trying to figure out the right strategy. Our focus continues to be, to partner with community based organizations and other organizations that are working in the state. And I'll say, as we've talked to folks around the state, there's a lot, you know, that it's a different situation now than it was at the beginning of the pandemic. In the beginning, there was not enough access to vaccine. Now there's lots of access to vaccine.

Dr. Morales (19:49):

Lots of counties have ground games. That's what I think we're seeing in north central Washington with Okanogan, Chelan, and Douglas, you know, they have really mobilized put them on notice there and have a huge ground game in terms of getting out into the community and getting Latinos vaccinated. You know, the Tri-Cities area is slower in getting that going, but it's doing that work now. Uso our role has still been to,utry to work with partners, identify their need and help them coordinate in any way we can and also increasingly,umessaging out. So,uI've been, we've been interested in, had some contact with,usocial media researchers that can identify influencers within different geographic regions. And so,utrying to reach them and ask them for help, especially with young people, right, who are the least likely to be vaccinated and young Latinos have, you know, smartphones and follow social media.

Dr. Morales (20:48):

So we're trying to work with them, trying to work with this researcher and then reaching out through social media, like Twitter, to share messages around, getting, get vaccinated. And here's where, so I think things are evolving and changing. We have a new partnership we're working with Catholic parishes in Eastern and central Washington to try to also continue the outreach through the faith community. Catholics, I think are, are you know, we that's the Catholic church, the evangelical churches I think would be better to reach, but we don't, there's no great way to do that because they're sort of just very decentralized and there is no organizational central communication hub that we could use.

Enrique Cerna (21:30):

Can you reach out to them through, I guess, direct communication in various towns and things like that because they do exist. I know in the Yakima valley where I grew up, you do have that.

Dr. Morales (21:41):

We haven't figured out exactly how to compile the list and a short of a huge manpower effort.

Enrique Cerna (21:47):

We're also a challenge there because of the, I would say the conservativeness of the,

Dr. Morales (21:53):

So the second hand, we've heard that even in Catholic parishes, there are some parishes that choose not to disseminate messages around vaccine because of the controversy it creates within the congregation. It's not at all clear that it's always a go, even, even among the Catholic parishes, which should have all the go ahead from their leadership.

Enrique Cerna (22:17):

Does this drive you crazy of the people that are out there that, you know, again, still, we hear so many stories of people that even don't be hospitalized and they are questioning whether, yeah, I don't have it. I've got the flu, right. It's just the messaging of what that said.

Dr. Morales (22:41):

You know, it's frustrating, especially for healthcare providers who are having to take care of folks, largely who are on vaccinated and ended up in the hospital. Again, we had this conversation, not just earlier this week and, you know, we have to keep reminding ourselves that, you know, there are crazy people, but the majority are rational. They just have a different frame of reference. They have reasons and trying to understand those reasons and trying to be reasonable with them in some way, engage, I think is in not give up and go back. So people change their mind over time. And we've seen that with this search people who were reluctant to be vaccinated six months ago, or like deciding, okay, I'm in, you know, it's a process and we just have to stick with it and keep going back and find, keep messaging and keep reaching out and trying to understand and listen and let people know that have been heard. That's I think what we have to, we have to keep doing that. There will be those folks that will just never get vaccinated and well, yeah,

Matt Chan (23:44):

That's on them, healthcare workers, the refuse to be vaccinated. How crazy does that make you? I mean, I, and I don't understand it they're around this and they still won't do it. Yeah.

Dr. Morales (23:54):

Well, I'm on physicians, so it depends on the healthcare worker you're talking about. So I think there, you know, like in UW medicine, I think 99% of doctors are vaccinated. I think there's a few exceptions exceptions in there for other reasons, for reasons, not just refusal, but medical reasons and so on. But, you know, among some of the staff, there are groups of people who have refused to get vaccinated and continue to refuse. And, you know, that's been with the mandate. The concern is that we will lose in particularly staff of color, who are groups of people who just have decided they do not want to get vaccinated. Again, engagement is the key. We're trying to engage in the process, get informed, share information and make it very accessible. Yeah. What can you say? I mean, we have to protect the patients. So patient, patient staff, you know, they, they have to be vaccinated because as a, as a patient, you want to know that your provider won't,uin fact, you, what are you hearing about the burnout? I think there's a lot of burnout. I mean, I hear about it in, in, in the numbers, but I also hear it when I speak to providers and I can feel it, you know, like we've been just in this, in this pandemic mode for so long. And it just like where, you know, like when is this going to, when are we going to get over this? And it is frustrating. Why don't people just get vaccinated? You know, I think it's a big concern. Right.

Matt Chan (25:15):

Okay. So depending on who you're listening to, we're the fourth wave or the fifth wave what's ahead of us. Is there more waves coming? I mean, that's the big deal, right? Is there an end to this or is there a sense that we'll be able to just sort of manage

Dr. Morales (25:29):

Yeah. Looking forward? I think there's a couple of things. One is, you know, we've going to have to vaccinate the children, so that's coming and that's going to be another lift. Yeah, no kidding. I have to, you know, we, we have to engage schools and, and certainly with children that age, it's the parents. So the parents have to be persuaded if they have concerns boosters are going to be, I think a common part of this is going to be like the influence of shot. You know, there's a new one every year and who knows, you know, we may be getting them both at the same time, so additional shots. And right now there is a recommendation for those over 65 and other groups that are younger, that have comorbid conditions. So 18 and older with a chronic condition co-morbid condition is one group.

Dr. Morales (26:13):

And let me just say that includes a very broad group of people. So that's even folks who are overweight or obese, anyone with diabetes, hypertension heart disease like congestive heart failure and cancer, any number, you know, immune compromised individuals, patients with HIV, all these folks, it's a large group of people, liver disease, you know, need to get a booster six months after their last vaccine. So I think that's going to be another big push. And in the end, I think, well, this'll be managed like other infectious diseases. So I think we'll have to be vaccinated.

Enrique Cerna (26:51):

I'm just so frustrated by this, because I remember as a kid, when there was a someone who tested positive for TB in school, they bused all of us up to the public health in Yakima because I grew up in central Washington or [inaudible], I don't really remember anybody about us going to have that done. I don't really remember anybody us about us getting the, you know, the polio vaccine. And so this just baffles the hell out of me. They didn't have Facebook back then. Right. Well, this is true. That's true. Fox news. So, yes. Yeah. So I, well, doc, is that what you think is one of the huge problems in all of them?

Dr. Morales (27:35):

Well, I, I think the other thing that I think is, you know, trust is eroded. Like we don't trust our institutions and you know, and I think it's a lot of it's based, you know, on some of it is based on bad history. Some of it is based on just politics we're in today. People just aren't as trusting of healthcare providers. In fact, we were just having a conversation about that very issue, which was, you know, our patients don't seem to trust us and we're thinking, well, maybe we're not the best people to try to persuade those who aren't vaccinated. Maybe the messages need to come from peers because the doctors are not the trusted group that they perhaps once were.

Enrique Cerna (28:17):

It's crazy. I mean, well, yeah, but again, what misinformation building mistrust, I believe has done to our society today. Yeah. I think that for, and I get your opinion on this for Latinos, one of the best ways maybe to get people motivated is having Latino moms do it, you know, the threat of the junk law being thrown at you. You know, if you don't do it,uI'm serious. My mother, you know, she said jump. It was like how high?

Dr. Morales (28:49):

And you know, that is kind of the work of the promotores. The ground game that they're using is kind of mothers talking to mothers, you know, that is probably the

Enrique Cerna (28:58):

Dr. Leo Morales, thank you for your work. Hey, thank you for what you do. And all the other people that are in healthcare and in public health that are doing the work out there that are unfairly being targeted by idiots out there, but also just know that we support you and we really appreciate you giving us this information, which I think is important. And it's, it's news breaking to, to me and don't burn out on us cause yeah, take a spa day. Yeah. Take the spot. Yeah.

Dr. Morales (29:30):

Yeah. Keep it. Good care.

Enrique Cerna (29:33):

Thank you, Dr. Leo. Morales thanks.

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Enrique Cerna (29:54):

Our theme music was composed and performed by Antonio Gomez. You can find the Chino Y Chicano podcast on Apple, Google, Spotify, Stitcher, and other favorite podcast platforms. Please take a listen, download, subscribe, and give us a review. If you'd like to watch our conversations, we're posting them to YouTube, go to search and type in Chino Y Chicano. I'm Matt Chan, , the Chino and I'm Enrique Cerna, the Chicano, stay safe out there. Wear your mask in a crowd. Please get vaccinated. We'll talk more later.