The WOFOYO Podcast
The WOFOYO Podcast
Bull-Shooting: Strong Men, Sacred Duty, and Heavenly Wars
The winds of change are blowing across America as nationwide storm systems possibly indicate spiritual warfare happening in the heavenly realms. We discuss how powerful weather patterns might be physical manifestations of angelic battles taking place in the second heaven.
• Examining the parallels between government power imbalances and church dysfunction
• Discussing the decline of strong male leadership within the body of Christ
• Exploring how David's Tabernacle represents authentic, undignified worship
• Contrasting the loyalty of David's mighty men with modern church culture
• Identifying how Christians often seek permission rather than taking action
• Looking at how modern church services have become productions rather than gatherings
• Challenging believers to stop waiting for committees and start serving others
• Highlighting the importance of treating our fellow humans with care and respect
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Speaker 1:Hey everybody, welcome to another edition of the Wofo Yo podcast, with C-Dub and Bones Every now and then. There ain't nothing in particular that we're going to talk about, but there's all these little things, little bits and pieces, all these things that don't make it into a full episode and probably don't even make it into a short without me and bones discussing it. And we just call it our shooting, the bull sessions, what, what our pops used to call it back in the day. And so how about that weather?
Speaker 2:Bipolar Missouri.
Speaker 1:If you don't like the weather, just hang around, it'll change yeah, and when we're recording this is it's going to be too long from when it's released. So what happened is you had one of the biggest weather systems come through that we've had in quite some time. The last time I checked the day after all the storms we had tornadoes hit here in missouri. Uh, I for one slept like a baby right through everything, but it there was a lot of folks that were not as fortunate, and so you had everything from tornadoes in missouri to dust storms in Kansas and Oklahoma, big winds down in Texas blowing over trucks. You also had wildfires that got spiked up over in Oklahoma and Texas as well. So one of the things we talked about just Bones and I talking about. A lot of times we don't think about it until we've been seeing all the reports on the news and all that. But, bones, I think you're right. I think this is a good indicator that there are some heavenly battles going on Second heaven.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this was an interesting storm pattern. This was a nationwide storm pattern from the west coast. I mean. It went from the west coast all the way to the east coast we had winter storms out in the Rocky Mountains and wind storms, like you said thunderstorms, tornadoes and carried its way all the way out through towards the East Coast. It wasn't regional, it really did come all the way across the country.
Speaker 2:I remember being at work and it hit me all of a sudden. I thought, wow, a nationwide storm like this doesn't happen very often. I don't think I. I can't remember the last nationwide storm and I immediately started thinking Lord, you know what's going on here. This is, this is something, this is something big. And immediately the Lord said there's wars in the heavenlies. And immediately the Lord said there's wars in the heavenlies. There's a big spiritual battle in the heavenly realms going on right now and I admit you know he didn't share with me what it was about, what's going on or anything like that. But I think, more than anything is the fact that he's still in control. Yes, he's still in control. Yes, he's still in control. But there are things that are being fought about by angels. There's ground being won and lost in the heavenlies and it's going to manifest here on earth. It's going to show itself here on earth.
Speaker 1:I wholeheartedly agree, because I go, I should have picked up on that. Oh, I felt bad. You know what I mean. And when you said it and I've been so busy with a couple other things I've been doing I'm like you know, I should have picked up on that and you know, I asked the Lord. I said, well, what's this about? Especially in the aftermath? Because the one thing about this storm is you had the storm and then it calmed down for half a day and then the winds just kept on for three days straight. I mean big-time winds, and I just hear the winds of change again. What does that mean? You know, for me to get in specifics, I'd be pulling your leg, I'd be speaking out of pocket because I sure don't know.
Speaker 1:I have some suppositions, I have some ideas. I think a symptom of what's going on is probably being seen in this fight with executive branch versus judiciary and who has how much authority, and things like that. I don't think that's the big thing. It is something that concerns us nationwide. But you know, it's kind of like a pimple being a symptom of a bad diet the bad diet, you know, that's your major thing. But I think this judiciary fight that you have, where you're saying no, you're overstepping, and each one is saying the other is overstepping, and that can have some big consequences one way or the other down the road. And I'll just say this it's one of those things you really want to be led by the Spirit, one of those things that wouldn't hurt us to get in the Word, and especially if you realize that the Founding Fathers structured the government based upon a study of the Bible and the balance of powers and what they thought the ideal balance of those powers is, because you can make a very good argument that our balance of power as far as legislative branch, executive branch and judicial branch, our balance of power hasn't been there for probably about 30, 35 years. If a Congress can't pass a budget, you know, everybody talks about the president doing all these executive orders, and every president complains about the previous president's executive orders. And ever since I believe W, since I believe W, every president has increased the amount of executive orders.
Speaker 1:And when you look at, actually, if you read your constitution, who's supposed to be doing a lot of this stuff? Well, it's Congress. What's Congress doing Nothing? Congress doing a whole. So I also look at that, though, and I'm like man that's kind of like the church. Why are things so out of balance? Why is it so one way or the other? You know there's. Is it because the church isn't doing their job? Why are things messed up in our families? Why are things so messed up in our communities, families? Why are things so messed up in our communities? Is it because we as believers, and even as we as a corporate body of believers, aren't doing what we're supposed to? We've been abdicating our authority and going watching TV.
Speaker 2:Well, I think you have to have had your head in the ground. If you look over the past 100 days or the first 100 days of this presidency and don't see that there's been a lot going on. You know, the first 100 days of Trump's presidency this time has just been a whirlwind. There's so much going on. He's presidency this time it's just been a whirlwind. There's so much going on. He's doing a lot. Whether you like it, you don't like it, you agree with it, disagree with it. That's really not up for debate right now, I guess. But what I'm seeing is that this is kind of a part of that spiritual warfare going on. There's things going on. There's ideologies and powers and principalities that are at war in the heavenlies and we see it manifested here in the physical realm, and a lot of it has to do with with good and evil. Basically, it's just flat out good and evil. And I'll tell you whether you like it or you dislike it. It doesn't matter where you stand or whatnot. If we compare this to, you know what we're seeing in the church and whatnot.
Speaker 2:Each president over the over the years has kind of pushed the envelope a little bit further on executive orders.
Speaker 2:Yes, they just it's like let's see how far I can go with it, cause they know that they can sign executive order and it's going to take someone to challenge it in court to get it reversed. The church is doing the same thing in some ways. Let's see just how much further I can go this time. Let's see if I can push the envelope just a little bit further this time, because no one's really standing up and saying, whoa, you can't be doing that. You can't do it. Wait a minute. You can't have gay pastors in the pulpit. I'm sorry you can't do it, but there are denominations that openly do that. So that's just one example, but I think that's kind of the mirror image that we see. You know, these ideologies worn it out in the heavenlies, playing out here in the physical realm. Like I said, you had to have had your hand, your head in the sand if you can't see it. So I don't know, it's out there. You just got to open your eyes.
Speaker 1:It's again. We've man. We seem to keep coming back to this topic of strong men and principalities Principalities at work but you're seeing it played out through the strong men.
Speaker 2:Well, that's been an issue the presence of strong men. We've talked about this for two decades now the neutering of the male role model in the body of Christ. We haven't had strong men in the body of Christ for a long time, amen. We've seen more women in church on Sunday than we have men. I think that's starting to change now. I do think we're seeing men come back into the church, into the congregation. I should say so. I do think that's changing. But for a long time there was no strong men in the congregation. Really, what the church wanted on Sundays was this this good guy, do good kind of person, until you said something and then you just needed to be quiet and you know, because that's that's, that's out of order and that's just not nice brother. But when a strong man, when, when, when a strong alpha male stands up, you know and and call something out, calls something out. We need those folks.
Speaker 1:King David didn't wear khakis. No.
Speaker 2:He danced around in his underwear, as a matter of fact, and he said he'd do it again.
Speaker 1:Yep, so them slave girls will respect me too.
Speaker 2:In my 12th century Yep, so them slave girls will respect me too.
Speaker 1:You know what. We didn't get into that in last episode. We refrained from that, but this is one of those shooting the bull sessions, so we'll talk about that in this shooting the bull session. One of the things about that is if the women in the church were trying to date you, they would put all the males in the friend zone eternally. It's about keeping you in. It's about keeping you shelter. It's about Keeping you sheltered and unable to deal with the real world and Violating the Very command of Jesus To go ye in all the world. It's a form of control. It is A lot of guilt and manipulation. I'll tell you what I came across.
Speaker 1:Somebody got a little notification on the social media two of them today of some people I hadn't heard from in a while, pretty well acquainted with in ministry, well over 20 years ago, and see that they have by their title pastor, author, these different things. And hey, great. But I look at it and the idea of being a pastor, and that's what I mean, because that's the carrot they always dangle out in front of it man, you'd be a pastor, you got to be a pastor. You got to be a pastor. You got to be a pastor.
Speaker 1:I'd probably be a real crappy pastor. Yeah, unless unless you're rough around the edges like me, yeah, and then I could probably relate to you. But I think I do a little bit okay on discipling. But as far as being a pastor and you want somebody to listen to you and be compassionate and all this, I'm going to tell you how to get the problem fixed, or I don't know what to tell you, which is that happens a lot. Oh, brother Chris, is the Lord saying anything to me? You know to you about this command? I'm really. I will pray for you.
Speaker 2:I would tell you to handle your business.
Speaker 1:Yeah, did you know what the right thing to do. But is the Lord telling me to do something or say something to you? No, now I'll pray about it and if he gives me something I'll call you up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's always interesting. I like these shoot the bull kind of sessions because we tend to free up a little bit, yeah, but it's always interesting. A lot of folks will come to you with stuff and they already have the answers and really what they want. They really want you to tell them go do it, you got to. Yeah, they really want you to tell them go do it, you, you, you got to. Yeah, they really want you to tell them go handle it, bro, you got it. That's really what they want to hear. But for some reason we think we think what they what they need is is is sympathy and empathy and all that, and a lot of times they don't need that. What they need is that swift kick in the butt that says hey, go handle your business, man, you got your head wrapped around this right, Go get it.
Speaker 1:You need somebody mentally. You need somebody to give you permission for something that you really don't need permission to do Exactly. I go back to old Vito Corleone man. Oh, has the Johnny Prefontaine? Oh, god Father, I just don't know what to do. Tell him all these problems and he's been messing around done, got this girl knocked up and now he can't get a move. Oh God Father, I just don't know what to do. Vito just shakes him and slaps him a couple times.
Speaker 1:Be a man, be a man, be a man, be a man. Cry like something. Nokia, be a man. You spending time with your wife. You know, I had a buddy of mine. I won't say too much because there's some things that are in confidence but ask me that question. I'm like I don't know what's going on and I know now. But he asked me that. I'm like brother, you know, just know, I love you and if the Lord says anything, I didn't have a clue. Come to find out there was a very public thing that happened and he had done wrong and he got exposed, he got embarrassed and guess what? That's still my friend. I don't care, I ain't going to endorse what he did and all that, but he's my friend. He's my buddy. I still thank a lot of him and his wife and kids. But the bottom line is, why are you asking me? Because you knew it was wrong when you did what you did, and now it's time to man up and just be a man and take your lumps.
Speaker 2:I think sometimes we're looking for permission. Yeah, we're looking for permission, we're looking for absolution, things of that sort. We're looking for someone to say what you did was okay when it wasn't. That can happen, happen too, I know I've done it. But really what the Holy Spirit is saying in the back of your head is no, it's not okay, but you can be forgiven if you ask. Sometimes we do need to pick a brother up and dust him off and turn him back and say, hey, repentance is that way, go get it. But yeah, we need strong men in the body of Christ. We need men that are going to be leaders and not let their brother make excuses for the wrongdoing and stuff like that. But we need those, we need those guys.
Speaker 1:I love David's mighty men. Oh yeah, when they do the roll call. I mean you talk about the wild, wild west of. Here's what these guys did. Here's their mighty deeds. Here's how many. Here's their body count. Here's, here's how this dude slew a giant. Here's how this dude went in a pit, killed a lion on a snowy day. Here's how this guy went behind enemy lines and they went and got David some water.
Speaker 2:You talk about compare resumes, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like your promotion file when you're in the military and they have he did what? This was a wild bunch, and they weren't all. These guys weren't all priests. These guys were rough.
Speaker 2:They were fighters. They were fighters. They were men with the capacity for violence, very much so, but also men with the capacity for restraint as well. What I like about the three of them, the guys that David said he was thirsty oh, I wish I had some water from this one place, all right. So three guys went and got it and they had to go through hell to get it. They went through enemy lines, yeah, went through enemy lines to get it. It wasn't like they went down to the well and got some. They had to go through enemy lines. Yeah, it went through enemy lines to get it. It wasn't like they went down to the well and got some. They had to go through enemy lines. And I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that that mission probably was not sanctioned.
Speaker 1:Uh, you know he pours it out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he didn't have. They didn't have orders. Uh, they just out of love for their leader uh, out of love for their leader went and did it. So we need strong men, Yep.
Speaker 1:We need men like that. The one thing that I've noticed that a lot of strong men have it's a value that I probably cherish a little too much probably to a fault, if I'm being honest, and it's come back to bite me in the rear end several times. But loyalty man. Strong men are loyal men. I think there's times we don't know how to turn it off when it needs. You know when, when it's reached its limit. Sometimes you know that that that can be a thing. I tell you those guys, those guys had a loyalty to David and a love for David and therefore you know that was used to serve David's God, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 2:There's a certain loyalty among veterans that I've noticed. That I think, is very similar to what we see with David and his mighty men. Veterans are loyal to a fault, almost. They have fierce loyalty, loyalty to their families, loyalty to each other, especially brothers that they've been in combat with, so on and so forth. So I can see why David's mighty men were loyal to him. There's just I think it's shared suffering, that kind of feeds into that by David's mighty men were loyal to him. You know there's, there's this uh, uh, I think it's shared suffering, that kind of feeds into that, you know. And and I think the fact that here in our Western church we don't see, we don't see any suffering in the church, there's no shared suffering, uh, shared suffering here in the Western church is, you know, if you show up to church just a little bit too late and they ran out of your creamer in the coffee shop on your way in, that's shared suffering.
Speaker 1:The biggest example of that shared suffering and its relatability is a big part of it. Somebody that has that same experience. You have some commonality. You can say things. You can say things that most people won't get and those guys and gals understand that. There's that.
Speaker 1:I ran into a buddy of mine. I see him about two, three times a year. There's a group of guys I know that a lot of them were on the drill sergeant trail over at Fort Leonard Wood at one time and they're all retired and stuff. I mentioned a t-shirt I have for an outside business and it has a gas mask, some shaving cream and a pink ladies razor and it said clean shaving for an airtight seal. Well, there's a little correctional humor. There's also a lot of Army humor because I remember my drill sergeant when I was going through. If you didn't shave, here you go. He'd give you a pink ladies razor, disposable razor, and you dry shaved and of course it's embarrassing because it's a pink ladies razor. My buddy Johnny was laughing. He's like man. I used to carry one of those in my pocket every day. Nope, do it now, do it day. Nope, do it now, do it now.
Speaker 1:But regarding that shared suffering, I was gonna say the the best group of guys I've ever seen as far as chipping in and and maybe it wasn't, I don't really know how to say this without it sounding insulting, but as far as in your modern, charismatic thing of which I identify, full gospel, spirit-filled, all these things, I believe in it, I walk in it. It looks a lot different than when others walk in it, and it's supposed to be that way. But, although their theology might not have been the most full gospel, and maybe because they weren't trying to be so spiritual when hard times hit, the best group of guys I've ever seen as far as rallying the troops was the guys at the Catholic Church I went to as a kid. Wow yeah, there was no discussion, there was no vote, there was none of this. There was phone calls made. I'll tell you this Clay Beerbomb is a hero of mine. Oh yeah, clay Beerbomb is a hero of mine. Oh yeah, clay Beerbomb, he didn't have to go to a church board or anything over that Catholic church, because if Clay Beerbomb found out you needed something, there weren't no discussion, there were just phone calls made that somebody needed something.
Speaker 1:And if you're a real man in that church, then you're going to chip in the best you can. Maybe you can help, maybe it can be money, maybe it can be labor, repairing part of somebody's house that caught fire. Maybe it's somebody sick Can somebody feed their dang dog while they're in the hospital? Just little things.
Speaker 1:And as I joined and started to go to some of these bigger churches with exception of the one in Colorado, most of these bigger churches I go to I don't know who the hell you are. How are they going to give a shit Right? I don't know who the hell you are. How are they going to give a shit Right? And I said it that way so you can get how distasteful that actually is. Oh, yeah, because it is Some of the worst Example Of biblical Christianity when you compare it. It's not. It's a bunch of people going to be entertained and take their kids to Sunday school and get their kids out of their hair for 45 minutes and who knows what you're hearing. And now you're getting entertained by the pastor and you get to abdicate your duty. And you get to abdicate your duty.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, the truth is, you don't need permission to do the right thing. No, you know, when you're confronted with the right thing to do, all you got to do is do it. You don't need permission, you don't need to convene a committee. All you need to do is, you know, like Clay Beerbomb, pick up the phone and start calling, making connections, making things work. That's a good leader. That's what a leader does he facilitates action.
Speaker 2:It's good to see those kind of people, though. It's good to have those people in our lives so we can learn from it. But you're right, in're in today's church, we're more focused on having an experience. Going to see the praise and worship team I mean the concert, you know going and doing all these things, and we've we've checked that box on our refrigerator. Now, you know, at the church on Sunday, you know I did these things, which you know I. I got to be careful too, because I know there's a lot of well-intentioned people that are going to church every sunday. That's the only model they've ever had. They don't know anything else, but they should know that that kills me too. They should know because it's in their Bible. If they're reading their Bible, like they say they are. They would see it.
Speaker 1:They would see that's not the biblical example of the church and worship and how things should be. Pretty blonde lead singer, jeans, form-fitting, long-sleeve shirt, hands raised. Guy with spike-gelled hair, maybe slightly overweight, in a tight T-shirt playing acoustic guitar. What are you going to see?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you get into some of the bigger, the super churches and the mega churches. They literally have production teams. You know they. They have a production room where they have TV producers that are are calling the cameras and telling them you know which camera to bring up? And it really is. I mean, it rivals a. You know a TV show. You know. And man, if that floats your boat, I guess you know a TV show. If that floats your boat, I guess you got what you want.
Speaker 1:There you go. If you're called to be on the production team and all this stuff, then do it. Maybe you learn a skill that you can take somewhere else later on. Be careful it ain't the same as reading your Bible and listening to the Holy Ghost.
Speaker 2:Yeah, be careful that you don't become a mile wide and inch deep, though Very much so. Yeah, just be careful.
Speaker 1:King David. So we're going to bring up some King David. We'll bring up some King Davidid. We'll bring up some king david. Dude had a tent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, dude had a tent said you know what, screw it. All I need is a tent. We'll put the ark of the covenant right here, yeah, and then we'll let people come up and check it out too yeah, that's how we concluded our book.
Speaker 1:Tabernacle of david. You know, it was david's idea for the, for the temple. That's how we concluded our book. Tabernacle of David. It was David's idea for the temple, david's idea, but he also had probably the best. The thing that preceded the temple was probably my favorite out of it all of all the setups that housed the Ark of the Covenant. Tabernacle of David, david. I think there was a priest there and some sacrifices, but it's David worshiping the thing and worshiping the Lord before the tabernacle.
Speaker 1:And they said some scholars, there was nothing ornate about the tabernacle. And they said some scholars, there was nothing ornate about the tabernacle. It was like a white cloth, kind of like that ephod would have been a light linen thing. It said when the sun was shining you could see the shadow of the Ark of the Covenant. A lot of people say that's a reference when he's talking about in the 91st Psalm and also in 63rd Psalm.
Speaker 1:91st Psalm under your wings shall I trust. Thy truth shall be my shield and my buckler, psalm 63, because thou has been my help. Therefore, in the shadow of your wings will I rejoice Talking about the sun shining on Mount Moriah, where this thing is, and he's in the shadow, worshiping, worshiping the Lord, and so the wings of the cherubim are casting their shadow In the shadow of your wings. Will I rejoice? I love that one-on-one. There's nothing that will take the place of the one-on-one Now. He will call you to interact and minister David went and ministered at the tabernacle, had that one-on-one relationship with the Lord, and guess what? He still had to go be king, right, lord? And guess what? He still had to go be king.
Speaker 2:Right, I was just thinking about Jesus. We, we told the young girl what was that? Daughter, come. It was also also means daughter, come into my tent, which was interesting. We're talking about tents. The prayer shawl was another. The Hebrew word for prayer shawl was also tent as well. Paul was a tent maker. It could also be said that he was a prayer shawl maker, depending on how you want to read it. It could also be said that he was a prayer shawl maker, depending on how you want to read it. But the prayer shawl, as you wore your prayer shawl over your head and the prayer shawl hung down over your shoulders and you held your arms up, the material that flowed down over your arms was called wings. You know, flow down over your arms was called wings. So you know we have, we see Jesus talked about, you know, talitha Komi, daughter of Komi, coming to my tent. He's talking about. You know, basically, come into the holy place into the holy of holies.
Speaker 1:I do not know if in ancient times it would be the same, but, being a tent, you know that same phrase. On the front of almost every prayer shawl is in hebrew right where the thing that would go across your forehead, right, if you had it over your head, it would say Blessed art thou, lord, our God, king of the universe, who has hallowed us with his commandments and ordered us to make tassels on the edges of our garments. Right, it's either edges or corners, depending on which translation right? And guess what? There's the tassels on the corners of the prayer shawl let's see uh the psalm.
Speaker 2:I shall um talk about hiding uh in the so that that that's 91st.
Speaker 1:I believe he that dwells in the secret place of the most, in the shadow of the almighty. I will save the lord. He's my refuge in my fortress, my god, and him will I trust.
Speaker 2:His truth shall be thy shield and thy buckler yeah, let's talk about the wings, the shadow of the wings, yeah because you made.
Speaker 1:You have made the Lord, which is my refuge and even the most high, thy habitation. There shall not even be a fall of thee, nor any plague come near thy dwelling. That's right after the shadow of the wings.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that can be the shadow of the wings on the ark. It could also be the shadow of the wings of Pershaw as well. Very, interesting.
Speaker 1:You could receive it and also be it Right.
Speaker 2:Right, it's an interesting picture there.
Speaker 1:Well, I think about this Jesus talking about. If you've seen me, you've seen the Father Jesus talking about. If you've seen me, you've seen the Father, you know. And I was thinking about the tabernacle of David and the idea that Paul talks about. Do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit and so Jesus being the embodiment of the father here on earth, that representative, the, the, the logos, the, anything I do is the manifestation of the father's intent, Manifestation of the Father's intent, but just like that tabernacle, it was simple, so simple, but yet here Jesus is. You know, that's something we could probably dig into and not only do a podcast on an episode. That would probably be a whole bunch of episodes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you said I'll bring back the tabernacle of David.
Speaker 1:Yes, I will restore. The tabernacle of David is in the days of old, days of old that was. That was Peter. They preached that and he was quoting scripture. I'd have to look up which one that is. I know he quotes Malachi, but I don't know if that's actually correct and I don't feel like clicking on the computer keyboards because we're just shooting the bull. Yeah, there's one other thing about David, though. Here was a flaw of David. We were talking about Michael or McCall.
Speaker 1:She resented David for dancing before the Lord. Undignified, she got man. I've seen this man. It's like the pastor's wife in love with being the pastor's wife. It's like the pastor's wife in love of being the pastor's wife. And oh, how dignified the King was dancing. You're not dancing as a King. You, you gave us command and cause. She was, she was the daughter of a King and she goes. You know how? How dignified the King was being sarcastic and he basically goes. You know how dignified the king was being sarcastic and he basically goes. I'll get even more undignified if it's before the Lord, because, unlike Adam and unlike a lot of us, and unlike what we're taught, david was God first, then wife, right, but David was God first, then wife, and a lot of folks is wife first and maybe my wife will let me do what God wants me to do. Now I get to say that because I'm divorced. Bones ain't going to chime in on that too much. I ain't trying to get him in no trouble, but I also know, mrs Bones.
Speaker 1:uh, pretty doggone cool Uh.
Speaker 2:I'll agree with you. If, if you got the right woman, yeah, that's not an issue. It's not an issue. You, you chase God. She'll go on that, she'll go on that adventure with you. Um, but it's like. But it's like, though, all of a sudden, you know, someone gets offended because you took your, you took your suit coat off behind the pulpit. Can't believe, you stood behind God's sacred desk without your suit jacket on. You know, and some people do get offended at stuff like that. It's stupid, it really is silly, because all God wants is our pure, unadulterated worship and adoration. And if it comes from your heart, from inside of you, from your spirit, you don't care. And here's the thing If he don't care, well, we shouldn't care. You know. And here's the thing, if he don't care, well, we shouldn't care. But that resentment that pops up in us is sinful. It's the flesh and, as we see in the case of Mikal, it generates, you know, barrenness. Yeah Well, she becomes barren. Yeah, unfruitful.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm going to get into it. He says you know I'll be esteemed in the slave girl sites. Then what do you think he means If you read David liked the women? Yeah, he did. David had several wives. Oh, yeah, he did. David had several wives. He had some concubines. When he's got the chills, the way they warm him up is having a young girl lie naked next to him.
Speaker 1:David man, the… who's chilly? Well, the whole thing. You're reading about all this thing in 2 Samuel and everything up until David becomes king, and you're just going oh my gosh, nabal's wife, abigail. And yeah, nabal, he's going to go kill Nabal. She goes hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, don't kill my husband, he's an idiot. Nabal meant full. And here, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, don't kill my husband, he's an idiot. Nabal meant full. And here he goes and marries Abigail because Nabal dies of a stroke or heart attack or something. Man, he don't like the news. Once she told him how dumb he was and she gave away the stuff to help support David and his mighty men. And he just freaks out and dies right then and there, and you know, david, david ups and marries her, you know.
Speaker 1:So David had numerous wives and some concubines. Solomon learned that from somewhere. Oh yeah, you know. You have the whole uh, david and Bathsheba narrative and Solomon was Bathsheba's uh, second son. Oh yeah, and I have C-dubs theory and you can disagree with it, you can call it nasty, you can call it gross, you can call it whatever. But in the words of oh, al Pacino and the Sin of a Woman I've been around, you know who do you think you're talking to. I've been around. You know Se, who do you think you're talking to? I've been around. You know Seen a thing or two. David went and got with the slave girls and the reason that McCall was barren is because he simply wouldn't go and lay down with her anymore. Okay, you're my wife, you'll get taken care of. If that's what you're about, then I'll not procreate with you. That is C-dub's theory.
Speaker 2:Mine's a little more spiritual.
Speaker 2:C-dubs theory. Mine's a little more spiritual, and what I mean by that is your resentment will get in the way of your relationship with the Lord. It will not produce fruit of the Spirit. It'll produce fruit of the flesh, but not fruit of the Spirit. It'll produce fruit of the flesh, oh yeah, but not fruit of the spirit. And you got to deal with that. And what we see David doing there is basically saying you know, if it don't please you, there's others over here that it will please, I'll take, I'll take my business elsewhere. I think that happens to us in some ways not necessarily in David's way of doing things as if we're going to go out whoring around now. That's not what I'm saying, but the idea that there are other people that God can use you to reach. So yeah, if God's using you somewhere and you're not being received, there's nothing saying that he won't move you somewhere else. I'm not talking about go divorce your wife, I'm not saying that. But I do believe that God will move you around if you need to.
Speaker 1:If the people in your church are calling you undignified because you're obeying God, however, then maybe that's not the primary place you're supposed to be ministering to people. Maybe you would be better fit for the master's purpose if you ask him to show you where you're supposed to be and then go out and do that, and it's probably not going to look like traditional ministry and it's probably going to be way more effective than traditional ministry.
Speaker 2:To me the idea there. David calls them slave girls. Well, when we think about who needs ministry people who are enslaved, who are in bondage and challenge so maybe that's the case here, where sometimes we get in the habit of preaching to folks who ain't enslaved anymore, we get too busy preaching to the free. So, yeah, sometimes you know God has sent you to where the slaves are, so that, so that you can be a chain breaker through him, you know, so that you can set the captives free through him and those things. So you know, I like what you said. If the folks in the body of Christ and the folks in the church aren't feeling it anymore, maybe they're not as bound as what you thought they were.
Speaker 1:There's some other folks that do need it. Well, I'm looking at that One of the things they used to do. A lot of people don't know this. I'm looking at that One of the things they used to do. A lot of people don't know this, but in early American church history, as far as the tithing and the collection, there were different methods used to raise funds, and one of them was that you could purchase a seat on the pew. Oh yeah, and if you had more money, then you could purchase a seat on the pew. Oh yeah, and if you had more money, then you can purchase the best seat Jesus talked about. Hey, go take the worst one, but back then you could purchase.
Speaker 1:That's a good place to hear that and it was a place to be seen. And you know let me just go ahead and say it In a lot of these big churches, you know, if you're a person of business, a person of influence, a lot of times that can get you on a TV camera if it's, you know, like one of these big broadcasts, but it can also get you a place on that church board too.
Speaker 2:Oh, there we go.
Speaker 1:And so, rather than play that game you know it didn't get caught up into all Cause. Guess what? There might be some situations where that's absolutely necessary, but a lot of times, if you're not careful, things can get out of whack, things can get out of balance and they say no, you've got an accountant trying to run your ministry, or a lawyer.
Speaker 2:Right, you have folks who are more concerned about controlling where their tithes go and what their money is doing than they are anything else. Yeah, I can see that I wonder how hard it would be to walk up into one of these big mega churches and sit on the front row. I wonder how hard that'd be. I'm just guessing, because I've never been to one of them.
Speaker 1:I've been to a conference and I guarantee you there's reserved seats at the conference. I've been to a conference First two rows are usually reserved Usually reserved and a lot of times that's guest preachers and all that.
Speaker 2:But is that the person that really needs to be in the front, right, right, you know I was going to let old bones slip up to the front. Well, john Hagee's church was a slip right on up there and see how John Hagee's doing, or anybody any of Perrystone's church, or Rob Parsley's church or anybody's church, who knows? Yep, any other thoughts? It'd be interesting. Yeah, so who knows?
Speaker 1:Any other thing you want to talk about real quick as we wrap this up.
Speaker 2:No, I think the biggest thing is trying to disciple folks and bring back the strong man in the church. And bring back the strong man in the church, strong leaders, strong men, godly men, godly fathers bringing those kind of folks back and being more than just a good guy, being a man of action, being a man who can put things into action.
Speaker 1:Old Pastor Jones man is still my favorite pastor ever Come in and he's a man's man. That's why I liked him and that's why that's also he didn't get caught up in a bunch of BS. That's also why over there in Colorado Springs they wouldn't join the Ministerial Alliance. They were kind of as far as the big churches out there. I said big man, it was running about 2 000 a service and they go between 1500 and 2000 because close to a military base man, it just numbers up and down deployments, all this other stuff. But he was a man's man. He got up there one time. A couple things he did. One time he might have procured some grenade simulators pre-9-11, and they had these little canisters and he gave the nod to the usher and they flipped the lights off in the sanctuary and blew them things in the canisters and he got out a flashlight. He said okay, now let's get when everybody's screaming. He said hey, let's get serious right now. How many of y'all, if that had been the real deal, would have woke up in heaven. And if it ain't, let's get it right. Had an altar call right then and there One other time he got pissed people off.
Speaker 1:He said let me show you how stupid y'all look. Could you imagine Jesus coming down and lighting up one of these marbles? He lit up a marble. You know he goes, goes. These are nasty, but uh, how stupid do you look with that thing hanging out your? But yeah, be a man, be a man of action. The reason I brought him up was one of his favorite sayings was this the horse that's pulling the cart, don't make a lot of noise. And also used to say the one that, uh, the ones that's rocking the boat ain't the one rowing it I liked.
Speaker 2:I like gerald malone, he would. He would always ask you if you were ready to go see the Lord and he'd always throw it out there. The reason I liked him is because it was a point-blank question. He would ask you how sure are you if you died right now, today, you'd make it into heaven? You're 50% sure, 90%, 99% sure, you know, and never. He'd always, always end up with uh, if you're 99% sure that you'll make it into heaven, you can be 100% sure that you won't. Yeah, man, you gotta know. You can be 100% sure that you won't. Yeah, man, you got to know, you got to know.
Speaker 1:I like what he asked you how the.
Speaker 2:Lord treating you. How the Lord treating you. Pretty good, pretty good, pretty good, gerald, how you treating the Lord. Oh, I got to go, I got things to do, yeah, yeah, that one always stung Um, and he knew that. He knew that too. Uh, he wasn't saying that to be mean or anything he was. He always would ask that for. That specific purpose, though, was to bring that back up to the forefront of your mind and remind you hey, you know, the Lord deserves to be treated well too. Yep.
Speaker 1:Folks, if you ain't you know, how are you treating the Lord? I ask myself that every once in a while, a little bit more than every once in a while, and guess what, if you know you ain't, if you know you can be doing better, then, man, get in the Word for yourself.
Speaker 2:Pray about it, just do it, just do it. Just man up and do it. The Lord says you know, whenever you've done these to the least of these, you've done this for me. So you know this for me. So you know, be a nice person, be a good person, do the right thing. You know, do all those things. If you treat yourself and your fellow man right, you're treating the Lord right. He doesn't need lip service. He got enough of that. He gets enough of that from the unsaved. Yeah, so, yeah, just treat your fellow man right. See, something needs to be done, just do it. That's all you gotta do.
Speaker 2:And then walk on, pay it forward. That's what I like to say. You know, pay it forward. Someone wants to give you a $20 bill for changing. Someone wants to give you a $20 bill for changing the flat tire for them. Tell them, no, put that in the offering plate on Sunday. Tell them to go to church and put it in the offering plate. Always have something prepared. Always have something in the back of your mind, ready to say, ready to do, just ready when that day comes, because it will come. There's plenty of opportunity for you to do good out there. Plenty of it.
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