The WOFOYO Podcast
The WOFOYO Podcast
Sacrifice: What Are You Really Giving Up?
Biblical sacrifice isn't just about what you willingly give up – it's about what you prioritize and what truly matters in both temporal and eternal contexts. We confront American consumer culture and challenging ministry dynamics while exploring how finding peace often comes when we surrender control.
• You're always sacrificing something – either immediate pleasure for long-term benefit or long-term reward for immediate gratification
• What we brag about sacrificing often reveals our true idols
• Finding unexpected peace when circumstances force total dependence on God
• The danger of ministry disconnection when pastors lack real-world experience
• How economic shifts have eliminated manufacturing jobs that once brought diverse communities together
• The parallels between consumer culture and spiritual immaturity – both sacrifice long-term good for immediate pleasure
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Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of the WoeFoYo podcast. In our last episode, Bones and I talked about a reel we saw and the value of relatability if you're going to be in ministry, and we talked about the ministry bubble. And as we concluded that episode, we began to talk about sacrifice. So in this episode we are going to continue what we were discussing about and get into the idea of biblical sacrifice and perhaps bring some things out concerning that that you haven't thought of before. Well, for you, you're always sacrificing.
Speaker 1:Here in america we like to proclaim about I'm sacrificing. You know, like you were talking about I'll sacrifice, I'll give'll give this up, I'll do this, I'll sacrifice. And I was kind of meditating on this at work today because I had something to just kind of jog the train of thought and meditating on it. The bottom line is twofold. What we say we're sacrificing, we're not A couple other things You're always sacrificing. In one aspect of it you're sacrificing. True sacrifice is you're foregoing immediate pleasure, immediate gratification for the most godly thing, the most noble purpose, for the most godly purpose, for what is most beneficial, and so that willingness to deny the immediate for long-term and even eternal benefits, that's sacrifice. Guess what when you don't do that, you're sacrificing long-term benefits. You're sacrificing rewards down the line for immediate play. You're sacrificing something all the time Every decision you make, or even the ones you don't make, you're sacrificing.
Speaker 1:It's just a matter of who are you sacrificing or what are you sacrificing to, and so that also kind of got me in the train of thought. You know we say we're sacrificing, but a lot of what we brag about sacrificing is really a good indication of what our idol actually is, and in America, in a lot of the circles that I used to be heavily influenced by, that number one thing is money.
Speaker 2:When I was going through that, I probably never felt more out of control, more helpless than any other point in time, but at the same time felt peace because I knew. I knew that there was nothing I could do. I knew that I was totally there, was, I had no control of it. And because I had no control, uh, and I couldn't do anything to uh, to affect my outcome, I knew that the only thing I could do was rely on God. The sad thing is that was my last resort.
Speaker 2:I'm a very independent person, very independent person, always have been very independent person. So I know, I know God had to, had to bring me to that point. God had to force me to this corner and say, okay, I've taken away all of your options. So now you, now you, now you have to trust me. And so there we go. So, as out of control as I felt, as helpless as I felt, I also felt a lot of peace because I knew I didn't all right. Well, ain't nothing I can do about it now, so I might as well just walk on. You know, um, that's well, ain't nothing I can do about it now, so I might as well just walk on. You know that's the cure for anxiety right there, If we can wrap our head around it. That's the cure for a lot of our struggles. Is just understanding that, since you can't control it, you might as well just walk on anyway, because there you go.
Speaker 1:It's a hell of a lot easier to paddle down the river than it is up it. Yeah, man, we had an experience Snake River when I was on vacation with my youngest over in Wyoming. We were just outside of Jackson and it was an experience Because of snow melt. It was level four instead of level three, which is what was advertised, and I'm like, yeah, because level three I mean it's fun, but it's level three and level four is a lot more challenging. Therefore, it's a lot more fulfilling.
Speaker 1:That being said, three-quarters of the way down our track of river that we're on, I paddled wrong, paddled out of sync one time, and that almost pulled me into the river. Now, granted, I have flotation devices. Would it kill me? No, it might be made me think about it for a minute, but actually no, there's people that's going to pull you in and all this stuff. But, yeah, people have died on that river when the rapids are that high. But just paddling wrong, paddling out of sync with the rhythm that's driving the boat, that can get you yanked out too. And it's the same with God when you were talking about that, the whole thing.
Speaker 1:I'm flashing back to that moment that I knew that I can no longer take it. I was at my limit. I was not in control and got served papers and, for the record, me and the ex get along fine. We had the world's best divorce and we made things work very well for the sake of the kids. And that ended up. You know, we're still friends, won't get into any more of it, but I was devastated and I'm like man, I can make this work. I can make this work. I can make this marriage work. I can make this parenthood thing work. I can do this. And all at the same time. I'm going to get a college degree and I had taken 18 years off school and had just finished my last physical class and got hit with some news that you know.
Speaker 1:There was some other things going on In addition to where I was keeping hope that I could do enough to save that marriage and I found out there wasn't no saving it and that hit hard and I stood on that. So all during that there was that there was something else happened that was like screwy it was, it went awry. I can't remember exactly, but it was like just a scheduling issue. That was all wonky. And then there was that, and then I went to go pick up my daughter because she had been staying over slumber party. And I go over and my doggone battery dies and the alternator goes out. Is what it was? Alternator went out on the one vehicle I have oh and just had been, had been had some financial issues and had just gotten the last part of that taken care of too. So I went from the ultimate high to this ultimate low, and then on top of that, here's a couple more straws on your back, son, to show you that you can. You can handle it, I can. And I finally got home and I lost it. I just I'm done. Kids come up, I didn't care, I'm just like Lord, why? And I broke down and cried like a baby, which takes a lot, unless you got a 21 gun. Salute, it takes a lot.
Speaker 1:And within an hour I received four phone calls and three out of the four never called me. One was over in North Carolina, you know just from all over the place, out of the blue, out of the blue, out of the blue. And one guy, even a man, still good buddy to this day, great guy. There's a dude named Dougie Reese, songwriting mentor of mine, and he said oh well, we got an extra car you need to borrow that for for a few days. And God's in control.
Speaker 1:I'm like, okay, I know that I wasn't under any illusion that it was going to be pleasant, but I knew that God had, god had me, and that didn't keep me from going and doing stupid, stupid stuff I did. I got some good stories to tell, but I ain't gonna act like there wasn't a price for the stupid stuff I did. I got some good stories to tell, but I ain't going to act like there wasn't a price for the stupid stuff I did. Yeah, there's a. There's a reckless Kelly song called the wicked twisted road. And I go, uh, it hit me so hard, this one line, this one phrase in it. And I go, oh, it read my mail. Bad. And he said, uh, my first love was an angry, painful song. One is one of one. So bad, I went and did everything wrong. Lesson, in reality would come before too long.
Speaker 1:My first love, and that was an angry, painful song, and that was mass. That song, and that was man. That's what I was living. Oh, yeah, that that's. Yep, that's what I was living. I will, uh. And, by the way, they still put on a heck of a show. I had to. I had to come out of that, right, you know it. But I also had to get it out of my system too. I think the lord knew enough to me. Anytime I got close to hitting that boundary of going overboard, overboard, he goes. Okay, time to reel that back in. Let's talk.
Speaker 2:What's interesting, though, is that you and I both know we know what the scriptures say, we know what the word says, we know what we're quote unquote supposed to do all these things, and I think we've probably been trained and groomed a little bit. You know that you got to make that marriage work. You've got to. Whatever problem, whatever thing you're going to, you've got to bear down, and you know you've just got to do it. You've got to make it work, because that really is taught, that's taught in the church, that's part of being a good Christian, is hunkering down and that stick-to-it-iveness, just by God. You got to do it. But, man, is it scriptural? Some of it is, and some of it ain't.
Speaker 1:It's definitely still the ideal if you can make it work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but at the end of the day, god's going to take you where he wants to take you. And people would say, which? We talked about divorce before? And people would say, oh, you know if the Lord will. You got to decide if you're going to serve your wife or if you're going to serve the Lord.
Speaker 2:I was like, no, I don't know if the Bible really says anything like that. Um, but uh, I think I understand where you're coming from. Maybe I don't, but uh, there's all that stuff that gets thrown at you and, like I said, we're not unlearned when it comes to those things. But when you're going through it, you know it's a different animal. When you're, when you're under the pressure, when, when you're, when you're being refined, it's a different story. Then Cause I'll tell you that I'll be honest, the last person I want to talk to when I'm going through a crisis is a Christian counselor, because the last thing I want someone to tell me to do is brother, you just need to pray. I'll pray with you, come on, because my flesh just says no, man, I don't want to do none of that. I want to sit here and fume for a little bit first.
Speaker 1:I don't want to do that. And why are you touching me there, Ned?
Speaker 2:Get your hand out of my pocket. Yes, uh, yeah, but no. And and the truth is, should we be praying? Yes, we should, yes, we should, um, but uh, if the holy spirit's not leading you to pray, then it's probably not time to pray just yet, because Sometimes you've got to get that stuff out of your system.
Speaker 1:Agreed and I'll say this Read the Psalms, read how David prayed. He's getting it out of his system in some of these Psalms, some of these prayers, and we've been taught the fluffy parts. That's like I remember hearing one of of this I don't know if it's hosanna or whoever. It was a kid song don't let my enemies triumph over me. I'm like have you, have you read the entire psalm? Yeah, there's all these things that we want to claim victory but have no battle, yep, and especially within ourselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, David was most likely muddy, sweaty and bloody when he prayed that yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's distressed, yet trusting yeah exactly and a lot of us are afraid to go to that place and let our faith be tested. To that point, I will say this you know and I'm not trying to throw out a challenge, but I've been through enough to know this that the experience is unfreaking pleasant, but I know that God's purpose is going to be accomplished.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, that's what we have to keep coming back to and I think that's what this gentleman was kind of thinking about and talking about in this clip was that, the experiences that he's seeing on people's face and whatnot that he's seeing on people's face and whatnot? He, he, he seen there's a desperate need for that. He, he needs that as well. But, yeah, we have to. We have to keep coming back to the fact that that God has a purpose. God's not playing whack-a-mole with you. He, he's not just beating you up because he has the ability to beat you up. There really is a purpose, even if we don't see it or we don't understand it or anything like that. There really is a purpose. There was a purpose with Job. There was a purpose with David. All throughout the Bible, between the front cover and the back cover. It's filled full of purpose. You just got to find yours. It's filled full of purpose.
Speaker 1:You just got to find yours. I think, going back to the church that I was really, really, really active in and I will also say the disconnect I can think of about three different pastors that I was attending their church, I think it's still my favorite Pastor Jones out in Colorado. He's full-time ministry, traveled all over the world. Did this Guess what? His old man made sure every one of his sons went to Barber College. He said I never want you to be dependent upon the congregation for money. Let me tell you the congregation if you're solely dependent upon the institutional church or local church, however it's set up the congregation, whatever you put it, you preach the wrong thing to the wrong person, even though it might be true. He was telling stories about how they cut off the water, cut off the power to the house. It was a pastor and his wife and three kids. Oh, we don't want you there. We ain't going to fire you, but we ain't going to supply this and that. And three kids, yeah, oh, we don't want you there. We ain't going to fire you, but we ain't going to supply this and that Games get played. Well, he never wanted his sons to have to be dependent, especially since Pastor Jones is in ministry, they're like, no, they're not going to play that game. And then there was another guy set under to use the church terminology for a brief time when I was attending the church that I was really active in and later on me and my ex-wife were very active in, still got friends from that place and the pastor. When I first got there he was a businessman and he was doing it both. Now was everything kosher there. No, he ran it like a business it. So that's the flip side. You could see the business of the church when it's a big thing and get you still got to keep the lights on. But there was a lot of things that were appealing. But what I realize now is the Lord was bringing me into that to see it Right and there were some positive things about that guy.
Speaker 1:But then the next guy that came in. I couldn't tell you what he had done. One of the best piano players. He was a praise and worship leader, had been a praise and worship leader, had married the head of the denomination for that state's daughter. And when the one pastor leaves, they bring him in and not bad people. And when the one pastor leaves, they bring him in and not bad people. But I'll tell you one of the things that was telling was again and I could be getting this wrong and I apologize, tony, if you're out there, I ain't trying to throw shade but you never heard about what jobs he did before. It was this ministry position. It was that ministry position. It was praise and worship leader here. Praise and worship leader slash assistant pastor here.
Speaker 1:Getting thrown into that when you heard about their life experiences and the wife was the headaches of running a bigger church was simply going out and mowing grass yeah, was to go out and do some manual labor and you need that. You know it's something about staying grounded. And you couldn't have more stark differences in the pressure that people felt they were under and the pressure to perform in ministry. Pastor Jones, he gave a rip what the Lord thought. He genuinely cared for people. But he was like y'all are so worried about this building, I'll sell it right now if the price is right. So this is a building, we'll find another one. He said or maybe it's time for some of y'all to go set up your own churches. He would throw it out there just to mess with the religious spirit in that congregation.
Speaker 1:Pastor Bond, I think he was, went over, took over Church of God over in Tyler, texas. I don't know if he's still the pastor there or not, but he had a company and I don't know if he still owns a share in it or it was. Him and his brother had this company and it didn't matter to him if that thing succeeded or if it didn't. As far as economically it was personal because he said, yeah, you can have a church this size in this area and they said, oh, no, you can't. Well, there might have been a little bit of ego involved, but that's the level that it mattered. With him, tony, he needed that thing to work and that was a whole different spirit. That was a whole bunch of different level of pressure and it didn't always bring out the best in that dude. I love him, he's a good dude, but man, the pressure. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
Speaker 2:I know, for me, when I start feeling pressure, it's usually because I'm overextending myself and I start feeling that call back to simplicity. Oh, man, man, and that's probably why mowing the grass brings so much peace, because it's just something simplistic and basic. You know, doesn't require much. But I feel the call back to you know, simplicity, let's just get back, make things simple again. Let's, you know, see what kind of stuff, what kind of things can we whittle away, can we cut away and just get back to simple again? Because if we're not careful, man, we'll pile stuff on us, whether it's tasks, chores, projects, finance, debt, whatever the case may be. We'll stack stuff on us because we can, because we can do it, because of this, that and the other, because we're sacrificing, or we're sacrificing something, yeah. Then what we find out at the end of the day, what we really sacrificed or gave up, was peace. Yeah, well, that's a sacrificed or gave up was peace.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, that's a sales technique, especially toward men. Yeah, toward men. Or type a personality women that you know I got to prove I'm the just as good as any man. There are sales techniques that are steered at the oh well, if you can't afford it. Yeah, you know, this is for serious buyers only.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is probably not the car for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then that ego wants to. I can afford it, yo SOB pair.
Speaker 2:I'll show you I can afford this over the next eight years, by God, yeah Rather than for my mom and dad for them to get.
Speaker 1:I think their last note was a four year note that they got on a vehicle but the standard was three. The standard for them was three and to go longer than that man was just unreal.
Speaker 2:I remember her Paul um mom saw a Yukon over Cape and she made a comment about it. She liked it and so paul went back over there. Paul don't really go to cape, he didn't really go to cape a whole lot, but anyway we had a. We had a buick roadmaster at the time that was our family vehicle. He loved that car, Loved it. Leather seats, man, that thing floated like it was on clouds boy.
Speaker 1:OJ Leno said the Buick Roadmaster could seat eight for lunch. Oh man.
Speaker 2:That thing was huge and anyway, so that was kind of our family vehicle, huge, and uh, anyway, so that was kind of our family vehicle. And uh, she saw Yukon over there and thought that would be kind of nice to bump up to. But he went over there a couple of days later and uh walked in there and talked to a guy about it and he laid out the spiel about you know all this financing and everything. He goes so what are we talking about financing? What are you doing? He goes I'm going to write you a check. He goes okay, so what? Like you're financing through a bank. He goes that ain't none of your business. I'm going to write you a check.
Speaker 2:And so Paul reached in his pocket, wrote out a check and slid it over there to him and it was for about always, probably about six or eight thousand less than what the guy was asking for. And the guy goes oh, I know, that's that's, that's, that's not enough. He was okay, fold the check up, put it back in his pocket, said I'll see you later. Whoa, wait a minute now we're not gonna talk about this because you're gonna take my check. He's well, no, I mean, let's, let's talk about it. Are you gonna take my check? Well, let me go talk to the manager. So he goes, so he goes in the back, probably went to the bathroom or something who knows, and comes back out and guy slides Paul over notes, we can do this. And he looks at it and goes nope, because it wasn't the amount of his check.
Speaker 2:He doesn't notice. Yeah, he goes. This is what I'm paying for that car. And the guy goes oh, you're killing me. He goes. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. I've got a Buick Roadmaster. It's paid off. It ain't costing me nothing. I love that car. I don't need you, I don't need your Yukon. My wife said she liked it. I thought I'd come over here and see if y'all would let go of it. So Paul walked out. Guy called him about a week later and said hey, you still interested in that Yukon? He goes. Are you going to take my check? He goes. Well, we could probably Click Hung up on him. Guy called about two weeks later hey, you still interested in that Yukon? Are you going to take my check? Yeah, I think we can work with that. You still got that check. Why don't you bring it on over here? We'll say that Yukon. He bought that Yukon for what?
Speaker 1:he wrote that check for it's costing them the amount that they gave up. It's going to cost them that in the floor plan because they're financing the vehicle, and that's what a lot of people don't realize.
Speaker 2:That Yukon and Paul had watched. He'd been sitting on the lot for about six months and so it's costing them money. Yeah, and he knew. He knew his finances, he knew what he was doing. He didn't need to finance anything. Uh, but the the long and short of it was um, he didn't need it. You know, he didn't have to have it, he. So he had options and for a lot of us walking through life, we're like we're walking through life as if we don't have options. For a lot of us walking through life, we're walking through life as if we don't have options.
Speaker 1:We think that we have to have what you have and we'll bend over backwards to get it Sacrifice. The day that we're recording this is because this is a two-episoder, so it'll be a couple of weeks before this one reaches the airwaves, but the day we're recording this is April the 3rd. Everybody is upset because there was reciprocal tariffs announced For all the different countries. Our tariffs are going to be the same as yours. You're taxing our goods at 13%. We're taxing yours at 13%. You're taxing ours at 30. Yours are going to be 30.
Speaker 1:Stock market tumbled 1,400 points today. I believe and I'm looking at it like this though this short-term versus long-term, this sacrifice. We have become so addicted to foreign cheap shit. It's part of that entertainment culture, that immediate gratification, that we're looking at it. And now everybody's, and even our stock market, has been propped up over the consumption of the foreign cheap shit.
Speaker 1:And I saw a stat and Bones. I know you can remember this. You were probably a little bit less able to pay attention to the politics because of what you were doing at the time. But the 92 presidential election, clinton, hw Bush and Ross Perot and they were Clinton and every president since as well as HW Bush, were for the North American Free Trade Agreement and Ross Perot goes. You know what that giant sucking sound is? That's your jobs going to Mexico and Canada candidate. Now, no matter who you voted for, ross Perot was right. Yeah, he was Dead on. The stat just came out that since the North American Free Trade Agreement, we have closed 90,000 factories in the United States of America 90,000 factories in the United States of America 90,000.
Speaker 1:Short-term versus long-term. And what was the benefit? Cheaper prices for consumers. Cheaper prices for consumers. Now you're working.
Speaker 1:The economy switched to a service economy, Things got inflated and all of a sudden the companies started running their companies different, especially your corporations. Corporations began to do things for how quickly can we sell this to make it a profit? And we'll buy up companies to close down companies to sell the parts off, and we're making a profit. And we'll leverage our debt irresponsibly and the government to bail us out. And even if we get caught, bail us out. And even if we get caught, even if we go to a year or two of federal penitentiary summer camp, we still have us a golden parachute if you're a CEO that runs it that way. So our corporation started doing things, and even lobbying, which the lobbying is nothing new, but lobbying the legislators and everybody else, as well as your regulatory agencies, to keep the cheap stuff going Right At the expense of the American middle class. So this idea of sacrifice you're sacrificing something all the time it's not limited to spiritual, but I would put it forth that the same spirit that led us to want all the cheap crap, the more stuff, more stuff, more stuff, more stuff.
Speaker 1:I remember when Bush came, came out and he issued remember those three hundred $300 per person refund stimulus checks. Yeah, Pre nine 11, like right before nine 11, y'all need to go out and buy some stuff. And I just remember going. I might buy something, I might not. Remington 870 shotgun still got it. And I'm like, why aren't you telling people to save? Same thing with the COVID checks Go spend it, spend it, spend it, spend it. You know, everything's based upon consumption.
Speaker 1:And then what happens is this you know, just, I don't know why we're going here, but yeah, we're. We're going down that rabbit hole. Everything's coming at the expense of real assets, real capital, which is really what builds wealth. You know, it's, it's that spirit of the age that I have to be entertained. Now I need, I need a hit. I need to hit a cheap stuff. That's what hoarders do I need to hit. I need some cheap stuff. I ain't ever going to throw it away. I might use it, yeah, you know. Uh, I need to watch this movie, I need to watch that. Oh, this would make me feel good. I need to do this, I need to do that. Do you need to do it? At 33% interest, that adds up and I've been there and done that, so I'm telling on me. I had to get some financial stuff straight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. There's a lot that we need to reel back in on a national level, but it has to start with us. It has to start with an individual level too. Man, I'll tell you what my wife and I were talking about this earlier today. If we bring jobs back to the United States, I don't know there'd be anybody to work them, because we have a working age class of people right now that really don't want to work. What they want to do is graduate college and go right into management with six-figure salary. So we've really got some. We got some issues that we've got to work through on an individual level.
Speaker 1:Well, not, not to self promote. Go back to our beginning of the year message. It's going to hurt, yeah, it's going to hurt. People been praying for some stuff going to hurt. It's going to hurt. People have been praying for some stuff. It's going to happen. It's going to hurt, but you come out better for it.
Speaker 2:But I can also understand some of the people who we're talking about are not working. They want good jobs to go work at too. Yes, I, you know I can understand not wanting to go make your career, you know, at the quick stop down in the corner. Now, if you work at a quick stop down in the corner, I get it, but I can understand that's not where people want to make their career. That might be something you fall into as a as an in-between something, but I understand that there's folks out there that want to work at a good job, not some crappy job because there's nothing else. There's a lot of jobs out there. There really are. There are.
Speaker 1:But you and I both know let's talk a little bit about growing up. We got about 10 more minutes in this Growing up weren't a lot of ethnic problems where we lived? There are now. Oh yeah, but my dad and several others, you could get a working middle-class job in Mounds, illinois. There was a place called Butler Tool and Dye. Now they end up moving up to St Louis because I think that's where the headquarters.
Speaker 1:But they had a thing in Mounds, illinois where Robinson's Groceries was at one time and I think it's just nothing there now. But they were working there and guess what? It was him and other white guys and black guys that come back from Vietnam and people that had went to school together. They were. They made tool and dye stuff. They had cutting tools and made different things and their biggest customer was Burkhart foam. Burkhart foam out of Cairo used to make I don't know which automotive maker it was, but all the foam for the seats and different parts of the of the cars from one of your big three auto manufacturers. Yeah, that went up to factories in Detroit.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And you could have middle-class blue collar jobs. People, people had them and there there wasn't the level of competition. There wasn't this dog-eat-dog as much as it was as it is now for a quote-unquote good job, but something with a living wage where you could feel proud of the product that you made. There was a coffee table we had during the spare time they had some downtime. My dad made this coffee table over at Butler Tool and Dye. I mean they didn't have no problem with it, but they went in.
Speaker 1:And the other issue that happened was one of the reasons that it wasn't nothing for me to go stay at the house for a couple hours of one of my classmates that didn't necessarily look like me Maybe they didn't vote like or, you know, didn't look like me. Our families didn't vote the same way, but at the end of the day you had two guys that worked together and you talked yeah and got to know that we have some differences of opinions on things. But bottom line is they're good people, good Christian people, and they're wanting the best for their kids and they're working for for the same reasons that I am.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And just being able to talk face to face with somebody on a good, middle-class job man, if that could ever come back, that would help us to be relatable, which is what we started talking about. You know, like pastors need to be able to be relatable. Any minister needs to be able to be relatable to the person that you're trying to reach.
Speaker 2:Yep, yeah, we've got to get back to that. Jobs have got to come back to reach. Yep, yeah, we've got to get back to that. Jobs have got to come back to us. Manufacturing's got to come back to us. We got to do those kind of things. We got to be willing to work. Once they do and I'm like you I think that once that happens, people start working together, side by side, alongside each other, a lot of those differences will fall away and folks that have more things to talk about in common than they do in disparity. But, yeah, it would be nice to see some more jobs come back to the United States and then back to the heartland as well. Yeah, cause folks need them.
Speaker 1:They need them. Well, the as long as you're separated, there's going to be an algorithm that's going to steer you one way or the other and steer you apart. Yeah, People are supposed to be together.
Speaker 2:You're going to well, you you're going to search out people that are like-minded, and that's just kind of a defensive mechanism. That's kind of the fight or flight survival mechanism that's built inside of us and it just is what it is. I can't call it right or wrong or indifferent, but yeah, you wind up seeking out people who are like-minded, you wind up seeking out people who are like-minded and anything else is outside and we don't want that, and it's human nature, but it's not Jesus' nature.
Speaker 2:It's not Jesus' nature, and that's what we've got to get back to.
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