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Snakes and Grace: Finding God's Grace in Chaos
Discover the powerful relationship between accusation, grace, and focus as C-Dub and Bones explore Paul's encounter with a venomous snake on Malta.
• Paul's experience with a viper bite on Malta after surviving shipwreck demonstrates God's grace at work
• The islanders recognized Paul as a "murderer" but missed how grace had transformed him
• When accusations come, even true ones, focus on your mission rather than defending yourself
• Critical thinking requires humility and willingness to question narratives, even from trusted sources
• What you focus on determines your direction – keep your eyes on Christ rather than on sin
• The enemy often attacks when you're most comfortable, just when you think you've weathered the storm
• Faith requires shaking off distractions and continuing forward with your God-given purpose
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Speaker 1:Acts, chapter 28,. Starting at the beginning, a little bit of context. Paul has been sent to Rome. He has appealed to Caesar I believe it was. King Agrippa was going to set him free. They said if he hadn't appealed to Caesar, man, I'd let him go. He said but you appealed to Caesar, to Caesar, you shall go. And so they put him on this ship. Now, on the way to Rome, all sorts of things happen. It is bad If you read all of Acts 27, man, it is shipwreck, it is angels, it is people wanting to, it's the Roman centurions wanting to kill the prisoners on the ship, it is all these other things. And finally they survive the shipwreck, just like the angel tells Paul that they will. And basically they got caught out in like a no man's land, like a doldrums, even though it's during a storm, and the ship breaks apart. They make it to land and they make it to the island of Malta. So that is our context here. The island of Malta. So that is our context here, Verse 1,.
Speaker 1:After we were brought safely through, we then learned that the island was called Malta. The native people showed us an unusual kindness, for they kindled a fire and welcomed us all because it had begun to rain and was cold. When Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks and put them on the fire, a viper came out because of the heat and fastened on his hand. When the native people saw the creature hanging from his hand, they said to one another no doubt this man is a murderer. Though he has escaped from the sea, justice has not allowed him to live. He, however, shook off the creature into the fire and suffered no harm. They were waiting for him to swell up or suddenly fall down dead, but when they had waited a long time and saw no misfortune come to him, they changed their minds and said that he was a god. Now, in the neighborhood of that place, were lands belonging to the chief man of the island, named Publius, who received us and entertained us hospitably for three days. It happened that the father of Publius lay sick with fever and dysentery. It means he has a craps, and Paul visited him and prayed and putting his hands on him healed him, and when this had taken place, the rest of the people on the island who had diseases also came and were cured. They also honored us greatly and when we were about to set sail, they put on board whatever we needed.
Speaker 1:So I was involved, hanging out with a group of guys and this passage of Scripture was read and I go huh, I wasn't the one reading it, I was just listening to a buddy of mine read it. And I go you know what? Here's an interesting thing, and there's a couple points I want to bring out on this. First of all, paul's an apostle. Paul ain't afraid to work. Number one, he's the chief of sinners. He's the least of all the apostles, even though he labors more abundantly than they all. But yet when it's time to stack wood, add to the fire. Paul is not above doing that. He's not above manual labor Some to think wasn't above making tents either. And so for a lot of us, we want to have our titles, we want to have our accolades, and rather than do that, sometimes the best thing to do is simply to do the work.
Speaker 1:But there was something that stood out what the natives say, because the natives get it partially right. The natives key in on something. When he shakes the snake off and throws it into the fire, they say to one another no doubt this man is a murderer. So that part is right. Was Paul an accessory to murder? Did he incite people to commit murder? Yes, he did, at least Stephen At least, if not more, but the one that is recorded is Stephen.
Speaker 1:Was Paul a persecutor of the church Saul of Tarsus? When he was Saul of Tarsus, he absolutely was. So in this aspect, they got the justice part of it pegged to a degree. However, they're overlooking something. Though he has escaped from the sea, which is true, justice has not allowed him to live. That part is incorrect. Why is it incorrect? Because of grace, and so I just see this idea here in this passage of Scripture, and by all means you have I hate to use the term because it gets overused, but it is legitimately a revival happens on the island and Paul doesn't swell up, paul doesn't fall over dead, and I've heard all sorts of theories. There's the Malta Viper and there's all this, and the people from Malta worship the deity that represented justice. Yeah, maybe, maybe not, don't know, didn't read it. Heard a lot of preachers say different things. Didn't read it. Heard a lot of preachers say different things, didn't research it. But what I see here is that they are able to pick up that Saul of Tarsus was indeed a murderer.
Speaker 2:However, where sin abounds, grace much more abounds. Yeah, I like the fact that he goes from he's a murderer and being judged to okay, now let's bring everybody, let's bring all our sick people to him, maybe, maybe he's not a murderer, he's being judged. So, yeah, there's a hundred and a flip-flop there, yeah, which, like I say, they weren't wrong, but they were smart enough to realize that what they thought was judgment or justice in the beginning, they recognized quickly. After it is, I think they recognize it's probably grace or at least something other than judgment, because, you know, the snake bit him and didn't do him any harm and they thought he was a God of some sort. So the thing that's neat there is they recognized. They recognized the difference between the two.
Speaker 1:We have a hard time doing that sometimes well, we we talked about um episode or two ago. We talked about that balance and on opposite ends of the jewish mystical philosophical spectrum, diametrically across from one another, are mercy and justice and Paul shown mercy in this divine intervention. They don't worship Yahweh. However, they know it's enough of a supernatural occurrence that it is divine favor that he is not affected by this bite. I want to point out something else Just because people don't believe exactly like you do, don't mean they ain't got some discernment, amen.
Speaker 2:Amen, Amen. I think it's interesting too that Paul was delivered from the sea, Because there's some spiritual symbology here, if we wanted to see it, Because the sea oftentimes represents chaos and turmoil in the world. So we see Paul being delivered from chaos and turmoil of the world or those worldly things which he was. We see him as Saul of Tarsus being delivered from all of that and being transformed into Paul the apostle. So anyway, I thought that was neat, as I was hearing you read that spiritual picture here of him coming out of that turmoil and worldly thing and then, of course, doing the spiritual work that we see there, the revival that you talk about.
Speaker 1:Well, it's interesting that you're bringing that up because, as you're talking about that, I go well, this is twofold here, I go. Well, this is twofold here. We have before there was the turmoil in the sea. Right, you have the political turmoil that's going on, with him being seized in the temple and, yes, there's a spiritual aspect, but this is really a political thing Right here. This is, by any examination of it, this is a political incident From the Sanhedrin wanting to have assassins come after him to, hey, send them here, send them here, trying to get different ways to waive extradition, to get them to be more vulnerable.
Speaker 1:This is stuff that could have been out of the last four years as far as political intrigue, right, you know. And so there is all this. You mentioned the chaos of the sea and especially a rough sea. Well, man, you're seeing the same thing with both the procurator, with the governor, with the king and all these other things, and with the accusations against him from the Sanhedrin other things and with the accusations against him from the Sanhedrin as well as his defense, as well as being bound to go to Rome and the Lord showing him that Rome is where you got to go, right?
Speaker 2:I bring that up also for another reason Sometimes, when we're going through our own chaos and our own torments and stuff like that, it's good to know what some of these things mean, because oftentimes God will take us into the Scripture and have us read passages of scripture and if we're unaware and we don't really know what some of these things are, when it comes down to symbology, pictures, types, shadows, colors and stuff like that it can be very difficult to understand what God's trying to tell us in our own circumstance, in our own circumstance.
Speaker 2:So if it were me going through a hard time in my own life and I found myself in this part of Scripture reading about Paul being delivered from the sea and meeting with these people, that would give me comfort and solace, because I would immediately recognize that as God trying to show me that, hey, yeah, you're, you're, I'm bringing you out of chaos, I'm bringing you out of it so. So we often talk about, uh, the symbology and typology and stuff like that, and there's a reason for it, because it's important to know that. That way you can um understand what God's trying to tell you in your day of trouble. That way you can understand what.
Speaker 1:God's trying to tell you in your day of trouble, when you were talking about that, one of the other things that stood out as you're talking about, the chaos and I hadn't necessarily looked at it like that, but I had talked about in one of our more recent episodes about when everything came apart for me, and I mentioned that there was that one last thing the alternator going out and having to catch a ride and I go. This was an attempt by the enemy to be that one extra little thing out of all the other stuff that's going on. There's that extra little thing to pull you off your square, to get you to break character, to get you to lose faith. Because although the, the justice and the mercy are diametrically I mean they're they're just juxtaposed when you look at certain ideas and philosophies, the one thing that's there in the middle that balances them out is faith. They're trying to get Paul to break faith.
Speaker 1:I've been through all this. Maybe this is the last straw. And it wasn't the same Lord that promised he would go to jerusalem and that's where he would die and that's where he would be a witness. Same god promised him those things. Same god brought him out of the sea. Same god that delivered him from the, from the town, right after he first converted and started preaching, you know, lowered him through the basket. The same, the same god that bought him through being stoned and returning to ephesus. You know, he can bring me through a snake bite, but the enemy will come at you with those itty bitty things compared to. I've been through this, I've been through that, I've been through that and it can be this up and down, up and down, up and down, and he tries to get you. I think I've beat it. And here comes this one last little thing to get you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's interesting that Paul shook it off. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because, I think there's some imagery there that we're supposed to get from that and the idea that, like I said, he's been delivered from shipwreck, from all this other stuff and everything, and this is a time where they're building a fire, they're getting ready to eat. Now, from a soldier standpoint, this is where I'm starting to let my guard down a little bit. I'm starting to get comfortable. You know, man, it's starting to get warm. You're anticipating all the nice comforts, everything that's associated with being warm and getting your belly full and all that stuff, and all of a sudden a snake bites you. Getting your belly full and all that stuff, and all of a sudden a snake bites you. Like you said, that's that one thing that's supposed to pull you off your square and go, son of a gun. You know what? Now? You know I can't even sit down and get warm and eat without this happening. And isn't that just like the enemy? Isn't that what happens to us in our daily life, where we've come through it and then, about that time, when we sit down to get comfortable, we get to do something. We think we're reaping the reward or getting our due or whatnot, and the enemy says hold my beer, you know, and he throws that one little thing out there and it's enough to make you go screw it. I'm done, you got to shake it off.
Speaker 2:In military training, this was a planned action in places like school, in ranger school oh my, even in ranger school, oh my gosh. Ranger school, rip, ranger Indoctrination Program, places like that, where they would bring you to a place of comfort, bring you through something, bring you to a place of comfort, and then all of a sudden, mortar shells go off, the mortar simulators, grenades, everything just breaks off and goes to hell in the handbasket and you're just sitting there going, man, I'm ready to quit. I'm so ready to quit, but it's usually right after that. There's a big breakthrough, though, if you can just stick it out for just a little bit more.
Speaker 1:I also look at it like this too. You know we're talking about snakes and grace. And you look at what happens in the Garden of Eden. You look at what happens in the garden of Eden. The snake is that which is enticed, entices you to pursue the knowledge of good and evil, thinking that that is what will make you godly. And if anybody had pursued the knowledge of good and evil thinking, he was godly, only to find out that he needed grace and relationship.
Speaker 2:It was the Apostle Paul, and it's almost like the knowledge of good and evil getting its last little lick in. I saw a reel the other day. I thought it was kind of cute. It was a biblical scholar and a college kid kind of debating, getting their little licks on each other, you know.
Speaker 2:And the college kid asked and talked about the tree of knowledge of good and evil. He said tell me, why would you worship a God that does not want you to eat from the Tree of Knowledge? Of course, the first thing I'm thinking is well, it's the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the first place. Anyway, why would you want to worship a God that does not want you to eat from the Tree of Knowledge? In essence, worship a God that wants to keep you dumb.
Speaker 2:And the scholar looks at him and goes I find it kind of cute that it was the snake that asked that question first. I was like yep, exactly right, it was the devil that asked that question first too. It was the devil that asked that question first too, you know. So we can see that there's oftentimes we need that grace in conjunction with that knowledge of good and evil. Now that we've eaten from it, you've got to have the grace with it. You can't just have one without the other. But I thought it was kind of funny for that that scholar to get his, get his lick on on that. Uh, unassuming college kid, you know, they think they know everything well, that's the problem.
Speaker 1:If you were to go by dynamic, the stupidest people on the face of this earth are traditional college kids. Because and it's not because of the brain, unable to process information, a lot of times you're getting bad information, but because of the mindset and I know because that's where I was and I went back as a nontraditional student after 18 years to get my degree and you can't tell them nothing. That's a bigger. It is the way that I think it is and that's the way it's got to be. And until you get to that point of humility, to where you go, I have some things to learn, yeah. And until you learn some critical thinking skills to even question the information you're getting in college, which a lot of them, it's indoctrination, it's it's got a big time atheistic, socialist slant to it these days. And then you wonder why you're not equipped to go out and face the real world and why you need federal student loan forgiveness and all these things. You know I can't blame them for being mad because you got sold a bill of goods, but at the same time, as somebody that went in and got to see it at two different times, at two different times in my life. I'm like good night. Things were presented in a way doesn't this bother you? I'm like no, and this was over.
Speaker 1:Management and the ethnic. Only so many percent of this are in management. Only a certain percent of this ethnic group is in management, doesn't that? I'm like no, it should. I'm like none of those groups are a majority of people. None of them are a majority as far as the actual population of the United States goes. So look up what percentage they make. Oh, that's within two percentage points. Oh, that's within three percentage points. The biggest variance there happened to be Hispanics, and I go. Can you think of a reason why they're other than just mere skin color? That there might be a barrier to being in management? You know, and if English isn't your first language, that's your biggest barrier. Now, if you work in a bilingual company, all of a sudden that very same thing becomes an asset. You know, but you got to ask questions. You know, and that was the whole thing. You know the the kid asking that. You know. Aren't you able to think on your own?
Speaker 2:These kids too. They're also being taught and programmed that you're at the best school, You're at the best school for you and we're offering you the best education the best, the best, the best. And what that's telling the person is well, if this is the best, then everything they say has got to be right. It's a program, it's programming the brain to a certain level, and there's also probably a reason why that kid chose or any kid chooses a particular school because they think that school is better, which is not a bad thing to be. You know, I wouldn't think you'd go to a school that you didn't think was any good, but, like you said, you have to be humble enough to understand that you can always learn, you can always be taught something and there's always a bigger fish.
Speaker 1:Man growing up where we grew up and I know our experience is a little bit different, although we did have the same babysitter. Shout out to you, dorothy Daniels. God bless you. Ma'am, love it. I heard she found out about that. We had a cream corn commercial. Oh yeah, I hope I get to see her sometime and let her know. Hey, that's just because we love you Did a. Oh yeah, I hope I get to see her sometime and let her know. Hey, that's just because we love you. You did a good job.
Speaker 2:That won't contain your hide. That won't contain your hide because she loves you. She beat you like you was her own kid.
Speaker 1:That's right. And she learned us. Well, I'm going to learn you, right, yeah, but, man, when, especially in high school, I could think of some guys, I can mention some names oh oh, milton vaughn. And then the guy that came along after you graduated, oh, uh, oh uh, old tress tandy. A couple others, man, I had what I thought at the same time. I'm younger than I am now, but I thought they were old black men. They were the guys that taught me critical thinking. All right, young blood. Now they're telling you this.
Speaker 1:Here's the questions you really need to ask to get to the bottom, because they might be lying to you. They might not be lying to you. How are you going to know? And they're the ones that taught me critical thinking. So, all the all the people, that one of the things that gets me is especially in that dynamic.
Speaker 1:Right now, there's a whole lot of people that are exhibiting no critical thinking skills. And the fact that you want to, the fact that you want to exercise some critical thinking skills, when people try and put out a narrative and you go, is that so? Are you sure? Are you forgetting, maybe, this other part of that equation and you start bringing out contrary points, or more balanced points. To balance that out. Even if they're making a good point, this they're either intentionally or unintentionally, because a lot of them are just parrots nowadays. Uh, they're. They're failing to bring out the other side of the story. You know, so to speak, as this side of facts. Well, wait, wait a minute. That wouldn't even matter if it weren't for this other side. You know this other set of fact right here.
Speaker 1:But every now and then the OR word gets thrown at me, and my kids ain't white, so you know like it bothers me one one bit. There's racist thinking. Yeah Well, it's a bunch of old black dudes that taught me to think this way. Yeah, you know, they're the ones that taught me how to spy when a preacher is full of crap too. I should have been paying more attention on that one. And it's the very same. Their grandchildren same one, you can't question the pastor. Oh, that's the man of God, and you know God will strike you down and all this stuff. Like you should listen to your grandpa more, you know, I tell you you taught me to question the pastor.
Speaker 2:It was old. What's his name on that show, that movie with Matthew McConaughey? Time to Kill? Oh man, yeah, yeah. He tell you this and he tell you that, yeah, I got all that money. How much that money he give to my wife.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep, yeah. Red Fox always used to tell me how to Red Fox had been an ordained minister. He said I had to put that down because I knew I was doing wrong with the money. Red Fox used to tell this joke. For those of you who don't know Red Fox, sanford and Son was on Harlem Nights and had this other series. People thought he was faking a heart attack because they always fake one on Sanford and Son, and they just stood around oh crap, he's not playing. He literally did have a heart attack on the set. But he used to tell this joke. I know because I bought the CD over at the PX Back in the day. You could buy all these CDs that you couldn't get no place else but it was probably old bootlegs from somewhere.
Speaker 1:But Red Fox told the story about two preachers. He said there was, these two preachers used to ride bicycles and they would meet up while they was going to their churches and they'd ride together for a little bit and then they'd go to the crossroads and part ways and they'd go preach. But one day one of the preachers was walking and the other preacher said Rev, what happened to your bike? And he goes oh, one of my parishioners stole my bike. So I can't believe it. I find out they're going to be a price to pay.
Speaker 1:He goes well, I'll tell you what you do, rev, he said when you get to church and start writing your notes for the sermon, he said, you preach on the Ten Commandments and when you get to, thou Shalt Not Steal. Whoever stole your bike will be convicted and you'll have your bike back. They'll return it. He goes all right. So the next week, next Sunday, they're going in and sure enough, the other preacher has his bike too. He said hey, rev, I see you got your bike back. And he said yeah, I did you do what I told you? He said, yeah, I did. I started preaching on the Ten Commandments and when I got to, thou shalt not commit adultery, I remember right where I left my bike.
Speaker 2:I sure did love me some Sanford and Son.
Speaker 1:Oh it was funny. And then the guy that played Lamont ended up being an evangelist, yeah.
Speaker 2:I remember that, yeah.
Speaker 1:So back to you know we talked about critical thinking and I just want to bring out this point. Paul never denied it. Paul never denies when they say, surely this man was a murderer. Even though the sea's given him up, even though he's escaped all this chaos, yet justice won't allow him to live. Well, eventually he does die, not in, not in malta, it's rome, and it was divine justice that saw fit and that was proclaimed from the beginning. That was proclaimed through Ananias. The Lord used Ananias to proclaim the judgment of what he said. You got to show him what great things he's got to suffer for my sake. That's already been determined. But Paul never denies.
Speaker 1:We want to justify ourselves so doggone much, and that's one of the things a lot of them, old guys, that taught me critical thinking they go if something's true, it's true. Just because the pot calls the kettle black, don't mean that the kettle ain't. I said it's still true, and so Paul never denies it. Yet he acts on.
Speaker 1:The grace and faith of this is what I need to do and this really stood out to me, and I'll tell you why and throw shade at everybody else that doesn't agree with you 100%, which is a very dangerous thing to do. Celebrate the things you agree on and, if you can politely disagree on the things that you disagree on, and whatever you can work together to accomplish, work together with love toward one another and don't let the things that divide you you know that you disagree on keep you from doing the work, but it just stood out that Paul never denies it. Yep, did it, but that's not the purpose of why I'm here, and so, when people accuse you because you're going to get all sorts of accusations, the devil, satan, is the accuser of the brethren and in this thing that keeps on trying to pop its head up, you don't even you know, especially if it's true, don't deny it, admit it. You've disarmed it then, and then go. Still, the grace of God has called me to do this.
Speaker 2:Well, it's interesting here that Paul didn't deny the accusation, but he also didn't address it either. No, because and I think it's important too sometimes there's no need to address the accusation because God's already addressed it. If it's already been addressed and forgiven and washed away by the blood of Jesus, you don't have to keep addressing it either. You just move on. You just keep on keeping on. You don't have to address it or anything. Just shake it off and go on. Charlie and Mike continue your mission. That's all you got to do.
Speaker 1:Praise to mind the old hymn grace grace, wonderful grace, grace that can pardon and cleanse within Grace. Grace God's grace, grace that is greater than all our sin.
Speaker 2:Right Grace grace God's grace, grace that is greater than all our sin, right, but we are at a time in our lives here where we do tend to celebrate diversity and the things that divide and separate us more than we do the things that unite us. We need to get back to that. You know, if there's something that we can agree upon and unify with, then we should. We should be focused on those things. We'd be a lot better served for it and our community would be a lot better served for it. But, yeah, shake off those accusations. Ain't nothing you've already been forgiven for? Amen, you've been forgiven. I've been forgiven of that that Piggly Wiggly I knocked off in Yazoo City.
Speaker 2:I was lying and the preacher man said that sin's forgiven too.
Speaker 1:That's right. Thought you said you was innocent of them charges. I love it, oh, delmer. So the key thing is just don't you know like bones what you're basically what you're saying is you understand? It's true, that's still not the. You can't let it distract from from your mission. If you know, I was kind of given a testimony about some things that you know as soon as we start writing the book. Next thing, you know it had been six months since I'd seen that really had been habitual. All of a sudden just hadn't done it. Six months, you know. And one thing about it you can't let that become the focus, because then you go why ain't I? Maybe I should. You know, that's what your flesh starts to do. The key thing is the focus. Just got on God, it got on obedience and it got on hey, he's told me to do this. I don't know how to do this. Maybe I should do this.
Speaker 2:We talked about it in the book too the thing that you focus on, whatever you keep your eye upon, that's what you're going to land on, that's what you're going to hit, yeah, so if you're one of these people that are so scared that you're going to sin, you know I'm going to wake up tomorrow and I'm going to do this. Some people are this way. They're afraid that they're going to commit a sin today and you know they're going to have to pray for forgiveness and it's going to be just a wedge between them and the Lord. Well, if you're focused, if you're sin focused, then you'll hit sin every time. But if you are grace focused, if you're Jesus-focused, if your focus is on Him, you'll land on Him every time.
Speaker 2:So how do we know this? Well, scripture says it for one let's keep our eye upon the prize, which is Christ. And we also have some things here in the physical world that share that concept. What do we say in baseball Keep your eye on the ball so you can hit it. Defensive driving, you know, keep your eyes on the road, don't stare at the white line, because you'll cross the white line. Your eye, your, your brain has a tendency to pull you toward what your, what your eyes are looking at. So don't be so sin focused. Be be jesus focused, and all that other stuff will fall away I quote my jonas blaine imagine that just where you point it.
Speaker 1:Just where you point it. Just where you point it. That's right. You know, once you've achieved a certain level of proficiency with firearm, especially in close quarters 100% true Bullet goes just where you point it. You don't even have to think about it and that's the way it's going to be with your walk. You just trust Jesus enough. Whether you were guilty of something in the past, that doesn't negate the grace of Jesus Christ. Just focus on what he's called you to do. You'll hit it Every time. Wofoioorg. Find out how to contact us there, or subscribe on Apple Podcasts, spotify or Audible, or check us out on YouTube. Remember folks, if you're going to grow, you've got to woefoio. Get in the word for yourself.