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Falling on the Rock instead of making the Rock fall on you.

• C-Dub and Bones • Season 5 • Episode 246

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We connect Luke 20’s Cornerstone with Daniel 2’s stone cut without hands and trace how posture before Jesus determines whether we’re broken and rebuilt or crushed by pride. Activity without relationship, identity shaped by adjectives, and building on rock versus sand drive the call to repent and obey.

• Jesus confronts corrupt leaders with the rejected stone becoming the cornerstone
• Daniel 2 links the stone to a kingdom that crushes empires and endures
• Posture before God as kneeling to be raised versus demanding God bow to us
• Saul falls on the Rock and is changed; institutions harden and collapse
• Christ begotten not made; build on the Person not institutions
• Matthew 7 warns about fruit, false prophets, and “Lord, Lord”
• Hearing versus doing; houses on rock versus sand
• Words shape identity; reject adjectives that redefine holiness
• Grace with boundaries; early church ethics and obedience
• Practical surrender: gratitude, confession, concrete steps of obedience

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SPEAKER_00:

Hey everybody. Welcome to the WoeFoYo Podcast, the podcast your pastors warned you about right before they pass the collection plate for the new sound system. Let's get in the word for ourselves. Luke 20. Jesus has just gotten through doing a parable about the vine dressers. And the wicked vine dressers. Man, they did some bad stuff. And uh Jesus speaks a parable. And the the the scribes and Pharisees, they're they're like, oh no, certainly not. God forbid. So I love I love Jesus' style. Good old passive, the feminine Jesus right here. Verse 17. We're going to be going through 19. And he looked at them and said, What then is that is written? So he's quoting scripture, Old Testament scripture here. The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone. Whoever falls on that stone will be broken, but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder. And the chief priest and the scribes that very hour sought to lay hands on him, but they feared the people, for they knew he had spoken this parable against them. So here's Jesus talking to corruption. Imagine that. And then once we were baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit, things changed in a big way. And all of a sudden, uh I was able to see how all the interconnectivity and the Holy Spirit would bring. This is talking about this passage over here. This is talking about this passage, and it would show me the interconnectivity of the Word of God. And now, that being said, it's not 100% because I'm reading this a couple days ago, and I go, whoa. I've read this passage so many times. And all of a sudden the Holy Spirit brings up this is Daniel. If you go to Daniel 2, the situation is Nebuchadnezzar has a dream. Nobody can tell him what the dream is. Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. They all pray and fast, and Daniel gets the meaning. Because Nebuchadnezzar is going to have all the wise men killed, and that would have been them. Because nobody can tell them. They're all trying to run. Well, if you tell us, we can interpret. He's like, no, you tell me the dream. Here's Daniel's interpretation of the dream. And I'm going to read the whole thing here from verse 31 to verse 34. You king were watching, and behold, a great image, whose splendor was excellent, stood before you, and its form was awesome. This image's head was of fine gold, its chest of arm and silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay. You watched while the stone was cut without hands, which struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them into pieces. Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, and silver and gold were crushed together and became like chaff. Man, it's almost like it's linked to this. Like a powder. From the summer threshing floors, and the wind carried them away, so no trace of them was found. And the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth. I'm going to paraphrase because Daniel starts interpreting the dream that he just tells King Nebuchadnezzar. And he's saying, You are the head of gold, the Babylonian Empire. Paraphrasing here, the Persian Empire was the silver, the chest and arms of silver. The belly and thighs of bronze was the Greek Empire, especially under Alexander the Great, and then that gets broken up. The legs of iron is the Roman Empire, and then we are entering. You just see it just kind of congealing together. This feet being partly of iron and partly of clay. That's that's this last kingdom. And there's some things that are making it stick together. Strong in some ways, but it's weak in others. So this mountain comes, this stone comes, and it grinds that image to powder. In verse 44, it says, And in the days of these kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, and the kingdom shall not be left to other people. It shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever. Inasmuch as you saw that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, and the silver and the gold, the great God has made known to the king what will come to pass after this. The dream is certain and its interpretation is sure. And after this, Nebuchadnezzar falls prostate and gives glory unto God. So, what's he talking about? He's talking about the kingdom of Jesus Christ. That's why in Matthew, when he's talking about kingdom, kingdom, kingdom, kingdom, when John the Baptist is talking about the kingdom of repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near, the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Jesus is preaching the same sermon and demonstrating this kingdom. If you look at the Roman Empire, it was the Romans, the centurions, that the chief priest used, that the Sanhedrin used to crucify Christ. So they set him up, but the actual decision was by Pilate, and he used Roman soldiers to perform the deed. That being said, as we just covered in one of the more recent shorts, them centurion sure sure recognized kingdom. You had you had three of them that recognize kingdom immediately. So in a way, that's that's kind of being broken. That's falling on the stone and being broken. I'm willing to fall. Until the time of Constantine, where this takes it over. In Hulk Senior Vences, by this sign you shall conquer. So we see we see this stone on a very impersonal level, grinding down empires, but yet lifting up. The thing that came to mind when I started meditating about this was the Apostle Paul. Yeah, man, he's persecuting, he's persecuting, he's persecuting. But the stone didn't fall on him, he fell on it. Saul saw, why are you persecuting me? Who are you, Lord? I'm Jesus whom you persecute. It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks. So he had to go through that blindness, which was kind of revealing that he was blind already. And he had to humble himself so that Ananias could be obedient and preach the gospel to him and lay hands on him and have him have his sight restored. But it's an interesting dichotomy that I was seeing in this. So it's kind of why I sent it to you the other day.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, what I see here is uh I see position. And when when I see or when I hear, you know the stone fall, or or if you fall, what I see is um or what I see or what I picture in my mind is falling down as if in a position of worship to kneel or to bow. So the idea here is if if you fall, if you kneel or you bow to the stone, then um that's the position you want to be in. You can be raised back up, it's it's a position of humility uh and whatnot. Uh however, if you require the stone to fall, to kneel, to bow to you, you'll be crushed by it. Uh so there's it's it's a matter of of position, uh, and what you know what position are you gonna be in. I was reading there in Luke earlier, and uh there's a parable there before that.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, the vine dressers, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

The the the vine dressers, and it talks about um you know the the uh the landlord or or or the tenant, I guess, that sends sends a person in his stead, uh, and uh he sends three people out before he sends his son.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

And uh and I got to thinking, wow, you know, I wonder, I wonder if the Sadducees and the Pharisees, I wonder if they're getting this, who those three people are, you know. Uh is is this a picture of uh the law, the prophets, and the wisdom books? You know, uh I've I've sent you these things, you you didn't pay attention to them, so now here's my son, here's Jesus, and and look what you're doing.

SPEAKER_00:

You had Moses, or you could say Abraham, Moses, and the prophets. You could have said Moses and the kings, the you know, David and all the prophets are are are represented in that. Yeah, you got all these things.

SPEAKER_02:

All these things. You could there's several different ways you could go and and see that uh God was uh preparing the way, uh, but uh they were more interested in um having their own way. Uh so and then I think when Jesus finally gets to the end there, uh they're they're starting to put things together and go, okay, uh he's talking about us. Um it starts to make them feel a little uncomfortable, which is what uh conviction does.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, in the context of this, in Luke 20, he's telling us he's already gone into Jerusalem. This is toward the end of Luke. He knows, and he's letting them know that he knows. It's a head game, in a way.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

But for lack of a better word, but he's letting them know that he knows.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And that's why he can say things like, No man takes my life from me, I lay it down. And if I lay it down, I can take it up again.

SPEAKER_02:

Isn't that where conviction starts, though? When the Holy Spirit lets us know that he knows. Oh boy. That's where conviction starts, I think. When the Holy Spirit lets us know that he knows uh what we've been hiding. And that uh we're not gonna we're not gonna get away with it. Um that I think that's where conviction starts for for a lot of us uh at that point. We've we've been hiding something, we've been getting away with something, then the Holy Spirit starts that uh that dialogue, yeah, just so you know, I know.

SPEAKER_00:

It's like damn.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, you mentioned position.

SPEAKER_02:

And if you're willing to fall on the rock and be broken, and there's many places, there's many places in scripture where that that phrase is used, and and I fell, I fell on my face.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. That prost look well, like the story in Daniel there, that passage. He fell prostate. Yes, he fell prostrate.

SPEAKER_02:

Prostrate, and he didn't fall prostate, he didn't need a surgery or anything.

SPEAKER_00:

We're gonna re-record that. And it well, it's kind of like that passage in Daniel uh that we just read earlier. When Nebuchadnezzar hears this, he falls prostrate and gives glory to God. He's not a God-fearing man until this. And even then, he makes his share of prideful and egotistical moves and is humbled on multiple occasions, but he's willing to prostrate himself and give homage to to worship, if you will, and give glory unto the God of gods, the Lord of Lords. I was thinking about this though, when you were talking about position. If you are willing to fall on the rock, you're mobile, you're malleable, you're able to be changed. If the rock falls on you, that's a good indicator that you're fixed, your your heart, your heart is hardened, as what happened with Pharaoh. Uh, and that's another reason why in these passages you see more than anything what it affects is governments and organizations. You know, that Jesus speaks this, and then the high the the priests are mad. They know he spoke this parable against them. But guess what? What is 70 AD? Sometime around there. Yeah. This would be right around 33. Yeah, if you believe in there. Less than 30 years later, yeah, Jerusalem is sacked. Sack hard. There is no more temple, there is no more priesthood. Later on, there's a great synagogue built, but it's not a temple. And then you see, in a short amount of time, exile. Right. Um you see you see this last through the crusades, and they're gone from the land for a long time. But that institution, that priesthood, you still haven't really seen that re-established.

SPEAKER_02:

It's still there's still no real priesthood. There's there's no temple. Yep. And there's nothing.

SPEAKER_00:

And just to be to to be willing to acknowledge that there are folks that see it different. Now, Bones, you and I both believe there will be a third temple, a rebuilt temple. Uh it will be defiled.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And then Katie barred the door once that happens, but when these are the things that happened before the triumphant return. And to be fair, there are others who disagree. Right. Still believe in the Lord. So don't want to negate that. They still believe in the Lord, uh, but they believe that Jesus replaced the priesthood with us. That he replaced the temple with us. And there's something to be said about that spiritually, but nevertheless, I don't think that scripture is limited to just one reading being correct. Yeah. Um, we've caused we've we we've let a lot of anti-Semitism come in the body of Christ due to replacement theology. So if you read the writings of Paul, he alludes to some things that hey, we're grafted in, but he doesn't say that we replace necessarily permanently. He said they're willing to be there, God's able to graft them back in again. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

And if you truly, if you truly trace down and and research replacement theology, the replacement doctrine, you'll find the anti-Semitism. Yeah. You'll find the racism in it. Um now, what most people believe in the replacement theology as as we see it today, but most people believe is what their pastor told them from the pulpit. Yeah. And that's that's about it. They've never really researched it, they've never dove into its history, where it came from, and and what it, what it really truly means. And and that's uh, I think that does a disservice uh because well, if you're gonna believe in something, it's probably good, especially if you're gonna die on that hill, you know, if you're gonna have better research it. Yeah, if you're gonna have a theological argument and split churches and split congregations and die on that hill, then yeah, you should probably research it real good.

SPEAKER_00:

And pray about it even more.

SPEAKER_02:

Pray about it even more. Because really what happens is you've become fixed in your position, and you're about to have a stone drop on you. Uh figuratively speaking. So, but yeah, but the church is full of stuff like that. The church is full of those doctrines uh and theologies that um don't make don't amount to a hill of beans as far as salvation goes, but they do cloud they do they do cloud our vision when it comes to uh prophecy uh and the uh future of the church and future of Israel. That's that's that's kind of that's discouraging sometimes.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. You know, based on that, to have one more passage of scripture that's going to get into for this, because there's another option. Once you fall on the stone, there's another option. Because the mountain grew into a kingdom. And the thing I like, the illusion in Daniel, it's a mountain. It's a stone that's not cut. It's in this is Jesus the only begotten. He was in the beginning with God. He's the firstborn among many brethren, but he's different. Other things were created, but he's begotten. If you read the whole exhortation in Hebrews and how that's laid out, you know, under which of the angels did he say this? No. Under which of the Elohim did he say this? No, the logos, the word, Jesus Christ is different.

SPEAKER_02:

Very much so.

SPEAKER_00:

This is not a creation of man. This is not some institution, this is not something that formed down the road. He was in the beginning with the Father and with the Holy Spirit. Right. So that being said, and you're talking, you were talking about, you know, just some of these things that can infiltrate the church, and we need to be cautious and prayerful and probably keep our mouth shut and listen and pray a lot before we get to parroting whatever we hear on situations like that or arguments like that. Matthew 7. I'm going to do a little bit of reading more. We'll start at verse 15, and then we'll get down to what we were going to read before. Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Amen. Do men gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore, by their fruits you will know them. Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my father in heaven. Many will say to me, In that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name, cast out demons in your name, and done many wonders in your name? And I will declare to them, I never knew you. Depart from me, you who practice lawlessness. Which is an interesting thing because they're referring to their activity and he's referring to relationship. And because the relationship isn't there, all the activity that's going on here is producing bad results, it's producing bad fruit. But we mean well, yeah, but you're not following orders.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, listen to this. So, how do I know if I'm one of these? Well, listen to what he says. He says that there are many uh is a there there are those that says, Didn't we do these things? Didn't we do these things? See how very uh me and my focused that is? Didn't we do these things for you? Shouldn't it be more like but Lord you did this for me? No, you died for me. That's why I should be going through this gate right here. You died for me. So now once again, it's position. Okay. But what we really see here, the it's it's position and and perception. The perception is here, the perception here is I did all these things. Why should you not let me in? That's that's self-righteousness. Yeah. And there's a lot of that. There's a lot of believers who act just like that. But I was a pastor for 40 years. We're a church on fire. We're a church on fire for you, Lord. Yeah, you name it, you claim it, you got it, you bought it. But really, what our attitudes from what we see here, our attitude should be more along the lines of, you know, I got no standing here except for you.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, you're the reason I'm here. Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, because it wasn't the prophesying, it wasn't the uh doing of miracles, all those things believers are are gonna do, can do, should be doing, all those things are what the church should be doing.

SPEAKER_00:

But we did it. Not you did it. I'm not you did it through us.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm gonna go back to Joe Dirk. I'm gonna go to Joe Durk. Um, you got oh uh uh Bert uh or Kurt B. Frome. You know, uh what's his name? Uh Gurt B.

SPEAKER_00:

Frome.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, Gert B. Frobe. Um his character when he's he's sweeping the floor, dust mopping the floor, dancing, and he has that conversation between him and the payphone on the wall.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, stab your eyes with a soldering.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, stab your eyes.

SPEAKER_00:

Come on, my guy all wrong.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, it's your tone. Well, see, that's our problem. It's our tone sometimes. Oh man. You know, does your mother know how to sew? Boom! Get her to sew that, you know. But but but that's what it is sometimes. So it's it's our tone sometimes. It's not necessarily the fact that we're doing things or not doing things, um, but it's our tone.

SPEAKER_00:

Which is really going to illuminate the passage we were originally going to read out of here, but it just segues so so good. Verse 24. So we were taught, they said, Lord, Lord, we did all this. Not you did this through us. They said, You never knew me. You're working, you're you're practicing lawlessness. Some translations say, You are working iniquity. Verse 24. Therefore, who hears these sayings of mine and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. But everyone who hears these sayings of mine and does not do them, he will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, and it fell, and great was its fall. And so it was when Jesus said ended these things that the people were astonished at his teaching. Ah, love this. For he taught them as one having authority and not as the scribes. So the other thing is if you're willing to fall on the stone and be broken, you can build on the stone, you can build on the rock. And it doesn't excuse you from trials. Right. It doesn't, it doesn't negate the fact that life's gonna happen, that you're gonna have trying times. But you'll be able to withstand them. Right now, if you if you build it on the sand, which is simply not being obedient, you hear, but you're not gonna be not gonna apply, which which is saying something about, although it is the Lord working through us, it's saying something about experiential knowledge.

SPEAKER_02:

But what what I heard, what I heard when you said sand, I heard powder.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. You're if you're gonna build you're building on things that have passed away, just like those your things, those kingdoms were ground into powder.

SPEAKER_02:

You're building on the very powder that you were ground into. So there you go. Uh there you go. Um, I heard something very interesting not too long ago. Uh a woman was talking about this, was I think this lady was uh an English major. Anyway, um she was asked about why she didn't why she liked or didn't like certain things. And she was referring to adjectives. And somebody asked her, she says, um, can you be a gay Christian? And she goes, Oh man, I don't like that term. And she says, I'll tell you why. And and she went on a tangent, uh, and I I thought this was very interesting. She went on a tangent on how you have an adjective. You know, gay or homosexual is is the adjective that describes the noun. Chris the noun. And said and it's this this doesn't compute. Said you can't you can't have this here. Because the adjective that you're using to describe the noun i is totally against uh uh the noun's uh character and totally cannot be, so therefore you it it it nullifies itself.

SPEAKER_00:

It's the literal oxymoron.

SPEAKER_02:

It's the literal oxymoron. And so sometimes we do these things, we say stuff and whatnot, and we don't realize what we're actually saying, but it sounds kind of it sounds kind of cool or kind of neat or it it sounds progressive. Uh but in fact what we're doing is we're we're canceling out ourselves as believers. We're we're we're actually doing we're doing the devil's work for him. You know? So we have to be careful uh what we call ourselves and what kind of position we put ourselves into. Uh because when you start using adjectives that are contrary to God's will, got contrary to God's nature to describe yourself as a Christian, then you're literally saying that I'm not a Christian now.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, see, and this is part of the argument that is being used by those that are trying to push things which are anti-Christian in their nature. But Jesus never talks about this. Oh, he doesn't. Jesus talks about the law. When the Gentile believers are given the instructions by James and the elders. Fornication, sexual immorality. Some will uh translate that. Well, guess what? They're talking according to the law. Now, that being said, are we condemning people? We are not, because Paul talks about this. Such were some of you.

SPEAKER_02:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

But you've been bought and paid for with the price.

SPEAKER_02:

And and it's different to be a Christian struggling with a particular sin or vice. That's understandable.

SPEAKER_00:

Versus somebody that's given themselves over to it, and I love this more than Christ, therefore I'm gonna try and redefine Christianity according to my vice. Right. And my shortcomings rather than admit I have shortcomings because that makes me feel yucky and and guilty inside. That means the Lord's not done doing his work, and I want it to all be done because I just want to feel happy. Christianity brings joy, happiness. No, that's never promised to the believer.

SPEAKER_02:

Never promised.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

But but but but you have these things where they love the sin more. In the early church, it was clearly defined what was Christian behavior and what was not Christian behavior, even though we're under grace. Early on, it's prescribed. Even if you're a Gentile believer and you weren't a Jewish believer, which had more to do, they're still under grace, but man, they they they felt compelled to observe the law. And you know what? I'm not saying they were wrong in that. That's what the Holy Spirit put on their heart, right? Because they, and even now, if you talk to um New Testament, they call themselves completed or born-again Jews, there's a depth there that we don't get. Right. As Gentile believers. There's a depth. Now, it doesn't mean the relationship is any more special, but there's a historical depth, there's a depth to the understanding and the meaning. There is that, but yet it is defined clearly what is expected of you. Jesus defines these things, the apostles define these things in their writings. It's not some new thing you can make up.

SPEAKER_02:

And this may sound like kind of a rabbit trail, but it really does go back to number one, there's power in your words. Uh number two, it a lot of this does come down to your position. What position are you in? Um how do you see yourself? Because if if you don't see yourself uh as uh the son of a king, um if you don't have that that confidence that you're born again and you're saved, uh the spiritual realm is going to have a hard time dealing with that. Um so yeah, like I said, it just kind of goes back to understanding our position uh in Jesus. Uh it's not about the I, me, and I, and and and what we've done and what I've done. It all comes down to you know what you've done through me, uh, what you've done for me, those kind of things. Um, because we can we can let pride well up in our hearts real quick and put us in a in a very awkward and precarious position with Jesus. And our relate our relationship will suffer for it.

SPEAKER_00:

Absolutely. There's that passage in scripture. You're talking about position, and I thought that was that really said it all. Uh, but the position, if you're going to describe yourself as something that is antithetical to Christianity, and you say, Well, I'm this kind of Christian. And again, not talking about people that have a vice that they struggle with or shortcoming or sin that, especially if it's something, man, that the Lord's in the process of delivering you from. This could be your thorn in the flesh that you're dealing with. Right, right, right. This could be. So we're we're not hammering on anybody, but sometimes you need a little bit of tough love because this is how old C dub talks to C dub. You know, that that C dub that looks back in the mirror and that that's a little bit detached and hanging out with the Holy Spirit a little bit more. That spirit man in C dub's going, hey buddy, you're messing up, and there ain't no slack to it, because you know that the Lord is uh Lord's calling you to do this, so why are you doing this? You're getting pulled off your square.

SPEAKER_02:

Don't be out there dicking around. Let's go.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. What is this accomplishing? Oh boy.

SPEAKER_02:

I got a tough love story for you from today. Uh we were I went and picked up my grandson and went and picked up my wife from work, and we we got home, and we're all we're all getting out of the truck and opened the door for my grandson to get out. And he's six years old trying to get out of a big old truck. And he's taking his time and he's talking to us at the same time, telling the story. He's just he's taking forever to get out of the truck. And uh, come on, man, let's go. Let's get you taking all day. And Polly goes, come on, Paw Paul. He's taking his time, he's being safe. And anyway, she gets on me a little bit later. She goes, You shouldn't be like that with him. He's he's just taking his time. I said, No. No, I said, You're wrong here. That's teaching him to be a man. I said, Men hurry up and get the get stuff done. Men don't dilly-dally. We get out of the truck, we don't hang around. I said, That's that's how a man raises a boy. That's different. Um so there are times when that tough love is required. And it wasn't mean or anything, but you know, that's just how that's how men, that's how men raise boys. Come on, let's go. We gotta get let's let's let's get going. Um but tough love, that that's that's required sometimes. That honest look that says, come on, man, what are you doing? Uh let's let's let's get going, let's get it right. Uh uh as Major Payne says, you call it nurturing.

SPEAKER_00:

I call it neutering. But the scripture that came to mind when we were talking about these, well, I'm of this and I'm of that, and I'm of this, and I was made this way. Born this way. Now you might ate some bad food and got some bad drugs and be all psychotropic out and being programmed by a whole bunch of electronic BS and social pressure. Isaiah 25 29, 15. Woe to those who seek deep to hide their counsel far from the Lord and their works are in the dark. They say, Who sees us and who knows us? Verse 16. Surely you have things turned around. Shall the potter be esteemed as the clay? For shall the thing made say of him who made it, he did not make me, or shall the thing formed say of him who formed it, he has no understanding.

SPEAKER_02:

How are we gonna tell God what his job is?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, you made me this way. I did. Really? Did I? Yeah, and you know what? It's it's very possible you could have some tendencies. There's a thing called crucifying the flesh. Everybody has carnal desires, everybody has a flesh nature that if it's not kept in check, can rise back up.

SPEAKER_02:

Why is it that you can believe God created you, but you can't believe nothing else that God did?

SPEAKER_00:

Ooh. Or that he has the right to require of you to set things aside because he has made you. Now he's trying to perfect you.

SPEAKER_02:

Exactly. You go through the New Testament and you listen to the Sadducees and the Pharisees, and even some of the disciples at times, listen to the way that they refer to to Jesus. When they refer to him as rabbi or teacher, um that's very important because they're acknowledging him as an instructor, as someone who is able to teach them and and and get them to learn things. But it's a lot different when folks refer to him as Lord. Uh so matter of fact, at the at the Last Supper, um when Jesus predicted his betrayer, um, all the disciples asked him, Lord, is it me? Is it me, Lord? Is it me, Lord? Except Judas. Judas said, Rabbi, is it me? Thou sayest. Well, yeah, it yeah, it is you because you don't see me as Lord. Uh do what you came to do. There you go. So I I'd I bring that up to kind of say this. When we read our Bible, when we read God's word, are we reading it to have the knowledge and instruction? Or are we reading it to find Jesus as our Lord? Amen. That has to be that has to be the question we ask.

SPEAKER_00:

Hearing the sayings but not doing them, these things, you know. Well, I was made this way, you know. Why do you call me Lord, Lord, and not do what I say? It reminded me of a story I shared recently about one of the things that frustrated me is when I'm instructing firearms, especially, because that's that can be life and death. That can be life and serious injury. It's it's a serious business. But there's some people that you train, and I realized immediately that this pisses me off. This can cause me to get off my square. And I I just told this dude, I said, Hey man, you're doing something. It's not even personal. What it was is these people will repeat, verbatim, back everything I said, trying to get them on target and get them fixed and get them safe as well as proficient so that if they're ever in a real world situation, it's them and not the bad guys that are surviving. You know, that that they that they walk out of that in the best position possible. But they'll repeat it verbatim back and then just go on doing what they were doing. Yeah. And I think we have a lot of that. Man, if that if that pisses me off so much, maybe I need to check myself to make sure that I'm not doing that to the Lord.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. They call that manifesting. Yeah. Some folks call it manifesting. Um, but there's no power in it. That's that's what's crazy with it. Yeah. Um, but yeah, that that is, man, that can be very, very frustrating for someone to repeat back your instruction. Uh because it almost feels almost feels like mockery. Uh but uh there's a part of you that knows it's not mockery, but there's a part of you that says, uh, I think it comes across with that.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh my youngest boy was talking about. I don't know why we're going this. We'll talk about this real quick. My youngest boy, not a Christian movie. It's a man's movie, but it's not a Christian movie. It's a military man's movie. He was talking about he had seen Al Pacino in something. So, oh, it was really good. I'm like, well, you were do realize this is Michael Corleone. This is this is this is Scarface. He's like, What other? I said, here's the movie you need to see if you're gonna watch an Al Pacino movie. We rented sin of a woman. Oh yeah. Yeah. Flaws and all, he's a man. Yep.

SPEAKER_02:

He owns it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep. Every bit. Every bit. But it was it it was about action. It it wasn't about making excuses. It wasn't he he was just deliberate in everything he did. But you you were talking about the the it comes across as mockery. Well, the little snots that pull the prank to get little old Charlie in trouble because he sees it. That's how that movie starts off with the rich kid mocking the headmaster with flattery. And when you when you do that mirroring thing with, I'm gonna mirror and parrot everything you say, but I'm not gonna do it. Yeah, it can come across just as snarky. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

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