When the Cloud Moves

We challenge the comfort-first mindset that keeps believers inside four walls and trace a path from Emmaus to Exodus: linger with Jesus when He lingers, then move when His presence moves. Stories from crusades, church life, and the wilderness show how obedience replaces performance and how mission grows where comfort ends.

• Emmaus as a pattern for presence, hunger, and invitation
• pillar and cloud as a model for movement and obedience
• worship atmospheres vs deeper revelation after the crowd leaves
• dangers of presence addiction and neglecting home and work
• pursuing God alone, intimidation, and testing the spirits
• Goshen vs promised land as comfort vs conquest
• denominational drift when groups refuse fresh conviction
• new believer guidance: relationship with Jesus first, then church
• leaving a comfortable church for wilderness surgery and growth
• comfort creep in military life as a warning to the soul
• practical call to follow the cloud into daily life and mission

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Chapters

• 0:00 Satire: Ichabod Seminary Ad
• 1:31 Benny Hinn, Experience, and Emmaus
• 4:37 Compelling the Lord vs Following the Cloud
• 8:24 Schedules, Elisha’s Mantle, and Staying Longer
• 11:15 Church Walls or Wilderness Pursuit
• 15:00 Intimidation in Solitude and Testing Spirits
• 17:24 Presence Addiction and Neglected Priorities
• 20:02 When the Cloud Moves into Daily Life
• 22:18 Reprobate Denominations and Missing the Move
• 24:02 Crusades, “Find a Good Church,” and New Believers
• 26:35 Relationship With Jesus as the Litmus Test
• 28:14 Leaving a Comfortable Church for Wilderness Surgery
• 31:05 Validation Scarcity and Hard Truths
• 33:11 Soldier Life, Comfort Creep, and Discipline
• 35:32 Comfort vs Mission: Follow When He Moves
• 37:00 Closing: Pursue His Presence and Stay Connected

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:00

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Why heal the sick and prophesy when you can be in submission to your pastor? At Ichabod Seminary and Bible College, we'll educate the Holy Ghost right out of you. Remember, at Ichabod's, we do our part to help the glory depart. Amen. You know, back in the day, uh, I relayed that I had an experience, this would have been around 2002, 2003, uh, at Benny Hinn Crusade, and got to know some people that worked with him, just behind the scenes and stuff like that. None of the big name people that was with him at the time. Benny Hinn caught a lot of flack for some things, and some of it rightfully so. But there was and is, as far as I still know, legitimacy to the presence of the Holy Spirit in his meetings. Without rehashing everything that happened there, but it was it was transformative, but it definitely wasn't what happened to everybody else. The Holy Spirit touched me in a way and opened some things up as far as spiritual gifting uh at that crusade, and it wasn't when it happened with everybody else. So, as Brother Benny used to say, uh, a man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument. He said during that crusade, he reads this verse, I'm getting ready to read here, and he said, That was the secret of what he did. That was the secret to the miracles, that was the secret to the fellowship and relationship with the Holy Spirit, and it's this in Luke 24, it records about the two disciples walking to Emmaus, and then Jesus meets what with them in a different form, and they're talking, they're talking, they're talking, and they're like, man. You go, excuse me, and they're telling they're telling about everything that happened with Jesus, and he's wanting to know why are you upset? And don't you know? And then Jesus starts relaying all this stuff about how the how this is fulfilling scripture, what happened. And at verse 28, this is what Benny Hen said was the secret to his ministry. And they approached the village where they were going, and he gave the impression that he was going farther. And so they strongly urged him, saying, Stay with us, for it is getting toward evening and the day is nearly over. So he went to stay with them. And then he breaks bread and it's revealed that it's Jesus, and then he disappears. But Benny said, compelling the Lord, as the King James says, compelling the Lord to stay. Lord, if I could just get five more minutes of your presence, if I could get, if I could be in your presence just a little bit longer, and craving that fellowship and craving that presence of the Holy Spirit. He said that was the secret. And so I took that to heart. And one of the things I know uh Bones, you had been to several of the services that we had over at the church I was going to over just north of Marion, Illinois, there was something that the presence of the Lord would show up in that place. And it was a big-time worship thing. It was they knew how to create an atmosphere of worship, and the Holy Spirit would bless that. That being said, what a lot of people don't realize is when the Holy Spirit shows up, things get revealed because he's shining light on situations, and not everybody's prepared for that. I learned a lot about how they would try and bring in and minister to the Lord in such a way that the Lord bless him back and minister to them. That being said, there's some other stuff going on that didn't need to be going on. So I want to contrast that because I think there's another level that happens. And how does this relate? You know, first thing we did was write a book called the Christian Self-Defense Manual. How to protect yourself, how to maintain your integrity in the church and in the wilderness. Some people get addicted to that presence and think it has to happen in the church. That's definitely the mindset there. That being said, I've been reading the five books of Moses, and starting at Exodus, and then also rehashing in Deuteronomy. The Lord was there as a pillar of a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night. He abode over the tabernacle. However, there were times where he moved. That's not the time to compel the Lord to stay. That's the time, that's the time to pack up your stuff and pursue his presence. As we had our wilderness experience, I found that was one of the lessons that I had to learn was not expect the Lord to show up where I wanted him to, but recognize when he was leading me to go somewhere so that I would pursue his presence and not just beg him to stay in mine.

SPEAKER_00: 7:14

Yeah, one thing I noticed here in the road to Emmaus, as they approached the village and it was towards the end of the day. So they have they have arrived. They have come to where they're gonna go. We all have our our schedule. We have our own itinerary, we have our schedule, things that we're gonna do. Uh, and that that's kind of what I see on the road to Emmaus. I I wonder where are they going? What are they going for? What are they gonna do? Yeah. And why didn't they why didn't they want to keep going? Why didn't they just Jesus was gonna go on? Why didn't they want to go with it?

SPEAKER_01: 7:54

Well, why didn't they just follow him? I was wondering the same thing as I was reading it.

SPEAKER_00: 7:57

So, and I'm sure we're the same way. We've we've got our lives going on, we've got just we've got our daily life going on, we've got things that we're doing, and I wonder, and I I know I'm guilty of this, uh, doing the daily grind, knowing that the Holy Spirit is pulling in a certain direction, but not even thinking about casting everything else aside and continuing on with the Holy Spirit. Uh, but rather I've already got my day set, so why can't you conform to me? I don't know why that happens. Because we know we know we should be led by the Spirit, we know that we should follow the Holy Spirit. We know all these things. But man, life still gets in the way. Yeah. We got marriages, we've got kids, we've got jobs, we got all these things. Uh, so I'm thankful that in those times the Lord is willing to stay with us a little longer.

SPEAKER_01: 8:55

Yeah, as you were bringing that up about why didn't they just keep following him? Well wasn't what he was revealing a little bit more important than what they had to do in Emmaus? But it brought to mind of when Elijah is passing by Elisha, and he throws that mantle on him. He goes, What did you just do? He leaves it all. He sacrifices the ox, the oxen, chops up the yoke, makes a sacrifice, and then it's on. It's following from there. And Elisha was able to do more miracles than it than Elijah did. He was able to complete the ministry of Elijah because when God gives Elijah his commission, not every one of those things is done by Elijah. Some of those things are done by Elisha.

SPEAKER_00: 9:51

The few times that we were in those church services together, I know that uh the Holy Spirit showed up. There was some some great worship going on, but it was even better when when it was said we're dismissing. If you need to go home, uh y'all more than welcome to go home, but but if you want to stay a little bit longer, um we're gonna stay and minister a little bit longer too. And that is when that is when revelation came. That's when things really broke off. That is when the Holy Spirit showed up in a phenomenal way, and you saw you saw some some deeper rev uh revelation of things. Um when the folks who stayed just a little bit longer, they were just a little bit more hungry uh that than other folks. And not the other folks, you know, didn't want anything, but you know, they had life uh that that they had to do. Um but when when we stayed just a little bit longer, you really did get the picture in your mind of Jesus dismissing the crowds, and it was just the disciples hanging back now.

SPEAKER_01: 11:02

A little bit deeper level of instruction, a little bit um deeper level of intimacy and fellowship.

SPEAKER_00: 11:08

Amen. Exactly. Exactly. And uh, you know, we were blessed for it. Uh so I think there are those times when um sometimes you do have to let everyone kind of go on about their business, and you kind of have to hang back and and uh and wait for more.

SPEAKER_01: 11:28

This is not going to be for everybody. One of the things that I read here a couple weeks ago was you have two tribes as they're getting ready to cross the River Jordan. They go, hey, this land of Goshen is good grazing land. We got a lot of cattle. Moses, his first his first notion is no. He consults the Lord about it and he goes, Here's the deal. If you stay here, all your fighting men have to go and take the promised land with us. If you want to keep your cattle here, here's the price. We'll make an oath. Uh had a couple battles after that because they had built an altar and it ended up being a memorial altar, not a sacrificial altar. But there are going to be people that will limit their experience and pursuit of God to the four walls of the church. Goshen is not the promised land. Right. And although there's benefits to Goshen, although there's a purpose for Goshen, although there is a purpose for your local church, that's not the promised land. The promised land involves conquest. The promised land involves the fulfillment of promise. The promised land is literally bringing the kingdom of God upon earth, which is what they were doing. That being said, you don't want to dismiss people that do so. You don't want to minimize them, you don't want to look down on them because I've been there, done that, and that's a big mistake. Next thing you know, Lord, show you how you're not much better off than they are in some areas. Right. But don't make the mistake, because this is what I had to find out as well. Don't make the mistake of that goshen, that church experience, thinking that's the epitome and that's the apex of God's intent for your life. If you're really going to get into the things of God and develop that relationship with God, it's going to take you into the promised land, which has its milk and honey, but it also has its battles.

SPEAKER_00: 13:48

Well, see, that was the thing. Goshen was good. Goshen was good, especially if you've been walking around the wilderness for 40 years. Goshen was really good. So I could see that. Uh I was thinking a while ago how sometimes we get into church services and or we get into a crusade or where whatever the case may be. The presence of the Holy Spirit, like you said, it it's it's addictive. Which why wouldn't it be? Uh, you know, it's the presence of God, and that's what we were created for, was to be in his presence. So there is a constant yearning to get back into that presence. Well, see, I think what's worse though, well, I say that like that was a bad thing. But but what is a bad thing is when we feel like um we have to we have to, as as ministers, as children of God, when we feel that we have to provide that environment uh on a weekly basis to somebody, that's where it really starts to to get bad. And that that is the dangerous part. And I think there's probably a lot of us that do feel somewhat responsible and and that we have to provide that uh that worship experience, uh that that environment. Uh but the truth is, man, all you gotta do is show up. Um and you know, Jesus said where wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Yep. Um but I agree with you also in that uh sometimes the greatest uh the greatest experience if if we want to call it that, the greatest experience is outside the four walls and is usually alone, just you and him.

SPEAKER_01: 15:34

Yeah. It is a little bit scary.

SPEAKER_00: 15:40

Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_01: 15:41

Because if that goes haywire, then who's there to help you? Who's there to pray with you? Who's there to confirm? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 15:50

Who's there to confirm and tell you that, yeah, that was that was legitimate, that was legit the Holy Spirit. And you were right in hearing that. Because we don't want to get it wrong either.

SPEAKER_01: 15:59

Nope.

SPEAKER_00: 16:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 16:00

Well, the other things you might encounter out in the wilderness while you're stepping out is you're going to encounter resistance, you're going to encounter, in my case, intimidation. I've had that. Them times where I went out to be alone, I'm out in nature, and I'm me and the Lord. I need to get far away enough from people that it is just me and the Lord. And don't think there wasn't some nasty voices trying to prohibit that that didn't come along. Now, you had to know how to deal with it, you had to learn how to recognize it. You learn how you had to test the spirits by the spirit and get quiet. That was one of the things I had to learn, you know, before you go, ah, devil, I rebuke you, you might want to let the Holy Spirit give you some strategy. Because he's going to show every little bit of where that thing's wrong. But yeah, voices of intimidation was a big one. Uh that more than deceptive voices. But voices of intimidation uh was something I had to deal with out there. But there's something to be said about pursuing beyond the walls. You were talking about getting addicted to that presence inside the church. And so what that led to, especially early 2000s, uh, is you know when I was involved with it. But man, you had church open all the time, people pursuing presence rather than bringing the presence outside of those four walls, where you had people basking in the presence of the Holy Spirit, basking in the anointing of God, and now their family life is coming apart because they're not paying attention to some very basic things at home because you're spending four nights a week in church.

SPEAKER_00: 18:00

Been there.

SPEAKER_01: 18:01

Yeah, took a toll on me. Took a toll on our family life.

SPEAKER_00: 18:06

It's a double-edged sword. You go to church uh three days a week, twice on Sunday, and all these things, and you think, man, I I must be doing it right because I mean it can't be wrong for going to church, you know. Yeah. You can start to lose track of other things that are equally important in your life and and leave those things undone. And what you really what you've done from a military perspective is you have um you you let your defenses uh down in in in other parts of uh the perimeter. Yeah, you got you got infiltrated. Yep. Uh next thing you know, your your family life sucks, uh, your finances suck, uh your job sucks, everything else sucks. But I'm at church all the time, and because everything else sucks, you want to be in church more because that's where the feel good's at.

SPEAKER_01: 19:04

That's where that temporary relief is.

SPEAKER_00: 19:06

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 19:07

But just like that cloud and that pillar would move, a lot of what we're doing is we're not following the cloud when it moves. Right. We're keeping the tabernacle where it was. And to be fair, it really wasn't that many times that the Lord lifted the cloud and they had to move. In those 40 years that they were doing that, it really wasn't that much. It wasn't a daily occurrence. It just really wasn't. And it's if my memory serves me correctly, I think it's like less than one a year. Right. So they got established at some place, but then when the cloud moved, it was time to go. And I think a lot of what happens is the Lord goes, okay, you've enjoyed my presence now. Uh I'm gonna move this cloud into your family life. I'm gonna move this cloud uh into how you deal with people at work. I'm gonna move this cloud out into some of your social and political circles. And my presence will be there. You know, it it doesn't take long if you go into uh 1 Samuel, that you know, they try and do some stuff helterskelter without the Lord saying, and that's how the Lord Ark of the Covenant gets lost. That's how it gets taken over by the Philistines. They're just gonna do some stuff willy-nilly. Lord ain't said go. But if you follow his presence out in those other areas, you're gonna find out that this is where you start to find your purpose. Right. This is where you start to find uh divine protection and guidance because you really don't need it that much in the four walls of the church. And not that it doesn't have its purpose.

SPEAKER_00: 21:01

Yeah, the um the four walls of the church is not your is not your goal, it's not your end all. It's not where you're looking to end up at. Um it's definitely a place on the map. It's definitely en route. Yeah, I'm not we know we're not saying don't go to church, don't do none of that stuff. Um but it's not it's not the place where you end up and sit down and never leave. Um you gotta be open to the spirit. Um ask yourself, is Jesus Jesus look like he's getting ready to keep moving? And do I want to keep moving with him or do I want to sit here and be still? Um I think Jesus wants to keep moving a lot of times. Yeah. He wants to keep moving and he wants us to come with him. Um and and I go right back to it. The church today is is the only one we've ever known. Uh and you know. So so we've we've got to we've got to start looking. Well, we've got to start looking back at the gospels, at the book of Acts, and see what uh Christianity looked like in the very beginning, if we want to get a better idea.

SPEAKER_01: 22:20

I think that reason right there is the reason you have a lot of reprobate denominations, is because the Lord has moved on. They they they were content where they at. And when God was revealing truth, revealing what he was doing at the time, there were plenty of churches and denominations that were going, we're comfortable where we're at. We think we're pretty we think we got it pretty good. And the next thing you know, you're ordaining people and putting them in leadership positions and pushing agendas that are contrary to the Word of God. But yet you've got enough education, you can twist that stuff around and make it sound like you're in the right. No matter how much you try and twist it, it's not right. And the reason, the reason is you you've not left the conviction of the Holy Spirit so far behind because he's moved on. You you were talking about when the Lord's moving, reminds me of that first book of the Chronicles of Narnia, which was a lot of allegory. First thing that everybody's whispering is, hey, Aslan, which is kind of a lying metaphor for Jesus Christ. So he's on the move. And when kind of these days, when the Lord's on the move, everybody's picking up on it. Something's happening, something, something different's happening. Now, does that mean that things can't be messed up, that things can't be mishandled? It needs to be a point of emphasis to make sure that we handle these things properly when the Lord is moving. You know, with uh man, with everything that's going on, you're seeing a lot of people going into church right after the uh shooting of Charlie Kirk after the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And he brought up a thing, and I thought it was very, very poignant like, hey, you know, we we need to make sure that we're not worshiping Charlie Kirk. But also at the same time, we need to recognize what the Lord was doing through this guy, because that was pretty impressive.

SPEAKER_00: 24:29

Very much so.

SPEAKER_01: 24:30

Uh pretty impressive. Also, I've already heard it once. Make sure you find a good church, make sure you find a good church. And because the churches are filling up, and one of the things I'm hearing, even by ministers that I like, is you know with this happening? Make sure you find you a good Bible-believing church. Okay. Do you know how many people have gotten saved at Billy Graham Crusades, at other crusades going on, Benny Hinn Crusade, whoever's doing these mass evangelism events, and Charlie Kirk did, only to get shipwrecked by going to a cookie cutter meant to get you to conform, meant to shape you into the one size fits all kind of church that really isn't ministering to the needs and hurts of those people that have just given their life over to Christ. And so we say, find you a good Bible-believing church. You're a brand new Christian. How the hell do you know what a good Bible-believing church is?

SPEAKER_00: 25:47

Amen. Tell me what church out what churches out there are advertising themselves as not Bible-believing churches.

SPEAKER_01: 25:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 25:55

Um look, here's the deal. If you're gonna get saved, get saved for God's sake, for your own sake, get saved and worship Jesus. Start that relationship with Jesus about for yourself. For your own self. Um, if there's a church in your future, he'll direct you to it.

SPEAKER_01: 26:18

Yeah. Oh, you'll feel it. You'll know it.

SPEAKER_00: 26:21

Yeah, you'll get there. But man, get in the get in the word for yourself, read the Bible for yourself. Don't worry about no church. That'll that'll fall into place on its own. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. Yes. Oh man. That that's that's probably one of the things I look for. If I go visit a church, that's one of the things, well, that is probably the only thing that I listen for uh during my whole visit is I want someone to I want I want someone to say, I want to hear someone say um relationship with Jesus. Relationship with Jesus. And I tell you what, since I've started paying attention to that, it is rarely said in church.

SPEAKER_01: 27:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 27:08

It is rarely said.

SPEAKER_01: 27:10

Yeah, it's good, it's good primer, a lot of them. It have some good basics. But also, I remember some of the advice I got. I was talking one time about one of my early mentors, uh Mr. Tandy, the guy had been a retired Army bandmaster. He went over to teach high school, and they're like, man, that's too low level. End up helping start out the Shawnee College music program. He said, when you're studying music, he says, you need to learn, he said, there's ways to break the rules. There's some more sophisticated rules, but until you learn the basics, you ain't gonna know how you can break them. I ain't saying we're necessarily breaking rules, but if you want a good primer, if you want a good foundation and stuff, sure, that church can provide a lot of those things. When I went in that church in Marion, I was laughing at a commercial they'd put up. And the Lord says, go. What? I don't drive up all that. Well, it's 45 minutes to drive over there. Go. So I drive. And as soon as I sit down, within 10 minutes, the Lord goes, You're home. And I was, and I was faithful and I did everything I could to help out. And then the Lord also, about three and a half years later, goes, I've been trying to get you to go. It's been time for you to leave for about two months now. And I go, Oh. Wilderness time. Got some stops along the way in going into the wilderness. Once you get so hungry that you start following Jesus, you know, one of the things is church allowed, especially a bigger church allowed for a certain level of comfort. It allowed for me to cover up some things with myself in the fact that I was teaching Sunday school, in the fact that my wife at the time was in praise and worship, and the fact that we had our kids going to church all the time and we were a church supporting family. We were doing the things you ought to be doing and seeing all these things that we were seeing, because the Lord was showing up. But when He gets you out in the wilderness, the hiding that you were able to do in the big churches, some of the people, not all of them, because there's certain ones that are seeing to you, but all the people that you could fool, including yourself, in that church environment, when you get alone with the Lord, he ain't letting you ain't letting you slide with that. Not at all. He starts pointing it out. Now we're doing surgery. Now we're finding out what was in you that needs to get cut out and removed.

SPEAKER_00: 29:53

There's one thing that there's something in church that you will rarely get in the wilderness, and that's validation uh the lord rarely the lord rarely says great job good job you know hey it's not that he doesn't because he does he he does tell us you know um you know that uh that we're doing well sometimes it's just he doesn't do it as much as uh the church does he mostly because he has better eyesight than than the church does way better and he also knows uh how those uh positive affirmations uh uh puff us up he knows that that's it's more dangerous for us to do that than to just simply let it go unsaid and for us to have the faith that uh he sees us when we're doing right as well uh but you don't get near as much affirmation uh out in the wilderness as you did in church that's for sure yeah you know you were you were telling a story about a year back if you want to see something awesome you talk about validation politics aside go listen to Secretary of War Pete Heggseth's speech to the admirals and the generals that was on point it was not validation for a lot of people but it's what needed to be said so as soon as that happens oh I'm seeing all the negative social media thing yeah well what about barracks and what about this oh you're gonna just bring back grooming standards you ain't dealing with what you need to really do and how about some nice barracks and how and I remember you telling the story about being an 82nd and it was one of your leadership's wives had the idea that we need to improve things.

SPEAKER_01: 31:47

We need to make them better and it had the exact opposite effect of what was intended.

SPEAKER_00: 31:54

Postcommanding general's wife that was uh one of her initiatives was um quality of life for for a soldier and she did she came she made a tour through the barracks and you know wanted to see how we were living and we weren't living bad at all we we were living good as far as soldiers a single man was concerned and everything um but uh at that point in time um we had each floor of the barracks had a payphone on it that's how you that's how you talked that's how you called back home we didn't have phones in our rooms um no one had TVs in their rooms because you couldn't get cable or anything like that in the room uh you had a stereo most of us had huge house stereos in our rooms um there was no TVs no telephones uh none of that stuff no cables no distractions no no distractions once she got that bee in her bonnet um then we started seeing these things filter in um soldiers were allowed to start uh having phone service uh cable service stuff like that a lot of that stuff came just after I left and I was able to hear about some of it from my from some of my buddies I left behind um but it did it had just the opposite effect it it created created laziness uh lethargy uh things of that sort because why did why did people why did soldiers have to go anywhere and do anything when they had it all right there in their little room um it really closed their world down when I was a broke E3 i if I was going to do something there wasn't no I was gonna do something we had to do something yeah and guess guess what that does that builds uh that builds your team that builds some camaraderie you're out there doing things together the other thing was with when you don't have those things distracting you I actually had the most fun in basic training just because there was no other distractions that I had to focus on that that's what I had to focus on. We couldn't have visitors in the barracks uh that changed and then along with that came sexual assault uh sexual assault claims went through the roof um different stuff like that uh during a day our room doors had to had to be open and then at at COB after final formation they could we could close them they could close um but before this uh quality of life initiative kicked off um an NCO could just could walk into your room bust up in your room and see what you were doing carrying on after that had knock and announce before they could come to your room different things like that it that room became more of your home than it did anything uh no longer property of the army uh and it it it it got difficult because um your look your room was no longer inspection ready all the time uh different things like that and soldiers soldiers start doing what soldiers do whenever they think that uh Osarge ain't gonna come busted in at any time uh the room standards get laxed uh they start uh having contraband that they ain't supposed to have and all this other stuff creeps in uh so we're not really that different uh as Christians sometimes yeah uh if if we if we know we can sometimes if we know we can get away with it we'll try.

SPEAKER_01: 35:32

And I thought I think one of the reasons you have to be uh willing to follow the Holy Spirit is just the fact that he's gonna lead you in some areas that are a lot less comfortable than just where you were when you were seeking his presence or can compelling him to stay which is it's a great thing to build on but when he goes just realize it's not going to be as comfortable those those comforts that you have in your church life in in your that honeymoon phase of Christianity if you will those comforts are not going to be down the road where he's leading you but the fulfillment of the mission is I know it's in this village it's the end of the day and they're at the village there's a place to sleep.

SPEAKER_00: 36:19

Yeah there's like you said there's comfort uh they're not gonna be sleeping on the side of the road um in the cold they're gonna be sleeping in the in an inn somewhere yeah that hits kind of hard uh because we like our creature comforts absolutely we do especially here in America folks compel the Lord to stay but also have a good enough relationship with the Lord that when he moves you'll follow and then you'll always be in his presence which is quite comforting in itself.

SPEAKER_01: 36:55

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