The WOFOYO Podcast
The WOFOYO Podcast
When Fear Fills Pews, Preach The King, Not The Brand
When fear swells the pews, what message meets the moment? We tackle the hard gap between managing people’s faith and actually leading them to know Jesus. With urgency and clarity, we call out the checklist culture that confuses institutional loyalty for spiritual maturity and ask leaders to re-center on the one thing that matters: a living relationship with Christ that bears the fruit of love, obedience, and peace.
We unpack why management isn’t leadership and why discipleship must take the lead. Drawing from Scripture and real-world patterns after 9/11, we explore how churches can miss the Spirit’s invitation when crowds arrive hungry for answers. Patriotism, programming, and polished services can’t replace repentance or the Kingdom of God. Servant leadership looks like teaching Jesus, preaching the Kingdom, and modeling a humble walk with the Holy Spirit—correction included. Vulnerability from the pulpit isn’t weakness; it’s evidence of relationship and a blueprint for authentic growth.
This conversation challenges pastors, elders, and everyday believers to resist brand-building and embrace true shepherding. If your community is shaken and seeking peace, point them to the Prince of Peace and show them how to walk with him. Teach the Word, demonstrate a daily walk, and make disciples who carry faith into every sphere of life.
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Hey everybody, welcome to another WoeFo Yo short. This is C Dub. Bones and I are going to be talking about some things here in the upcoming weeks. The next episode is going to be about David's Mighty Men. And if you're a goody two shoes, you probably ain't going to like that episode. It's probably going to offend you because David's Mighty Men would have offended you. What the Lord has really been bringing across my path that I cannot get away from is a topic of leadership, especially Christian leadership, because to be a Christian is to be a leader, is what the Lord is showing me. In our upcoming episode, we touched on some things. Bones, when we wrote our book, used a term that I never heard anybody else use called management of faith. A lot of churches want to manage your faith if you become a faithful church member rather than growing the relationship with Jesus Christ, which is what they should be teaching. There's a lot of churches out there. I always use the term institutional churches, but it's not any particular denomination. Some are worse than others, but you can find it all across the spectrum. You can find them non-denominational. And you can also find those that are doing right in a lot of different denominations. That being said, they're not teaching relationship with Christ. They're not helping you to develop that, but they are giving you a bunch of boxes to check to say that, hey, I do this, do this, do this, do this, and do this. I'm a good church-going Christian. Well, without relationship, it don't mean a damn thing. Matter of fact, Paul said, I count all those things which were supposed to be some check-the-box spiritual benefit, I count them as dumb. I have all the accolades, I have all the credentials. But without love and without Christ, it's all a bunch of crap. So management is not leadership. Leadership sometimes involves management, sometimes involves organizations, sometimes. But the fact that Jesus called us to make disciples means we are to lead. It's a different type of leadership. It's servant leadership for sure. But the fact that we are called to disciple means that we are to lead. And I'm going to bring up in this short, I'm not trying to be doom and gloom, but I am trying to lovingly advise those in church leadership to be careful. Why? Ever since the middle of September, the churches, due to the fact that people were so shook that Charlie Kirk was martyred, not just for his politics, but because of his faith. And the fact that he dared to let his relationship with Christ bring in into realms of influence. Some people talk about seven mounts. Did he was so effective that South Park was spoofing him a couple months before he passed. When you're getting that kind of mockery, you're doing some things right. When you're catching that kind of flak, you're over target. So that's a good thing. But we're seeing an influx of people. Guess what? I remember I was 27 years old. 9-11 happened. All these people scared. God, why? After 9-11 happened. The churches were flooded. Some of them were standing room only, and rather than preach repentance, rather than preach that maybe our nation had gotten away from Christ and therefore it left us vulnerable. And whether you think the attacks came from without or came from within, it still left us vulnerable. There was a hedge of protection on this nation that was there, and it had been removed for a time. Yeah. No Lord, we're sorry for what we've done. No Lord, um, what do we need to repent of as a nation? There was none of that. There was patriotism, which is good in context, but that ain't what the spirit of the Lord was calling us to back then. And by and large, we got patriotic. So we missed what the Spirit was saying to the churches. We missed it. Corporately as a nation. By and large, we missed it. There are a lot of people that have never considered going to church before. And I hear prominent pastors that I like to say a lot of things I like. Now you're talking about the virtues of church and what you're not doing with people filming these videos of look at this. This is the line to get into parking lot at church. Same thing. People are scared, people are shook, people are seeking answers. And I would like to admonish you, as just a guy that hangs out in the wilderness from time to time and asks the Lord what he's doing. I would admonish you all that are attending church. I would admonish every one of you in a pulpit that has people coming to your church that you're supposed to be in leadership in. Do not get into teaching church. Teach Jesus Christ, preach Jesus Christ, and preach kingdom. And if you don't like the kingdom message, well, that's tough because that's what the Spirit is saying needs to be preached. And if you don't, if you miss this one, like we missed what God was saying during 9-11, if you miss this, there's judgment. You will be held accountable. We as a body will be held accountable because you have people seeking answers, and you better provide those answers. And the answer is times are dark, there's evil out there, and the only way to know peace is to know the King of Kings, the Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ. Teach them, model for them, demonstrate for them how to walk with Christ. Demonstrate for them what a relationship with Jesus Christ looks like, what it sounds like, what it feels like. Be willing to be vulnerable and say the Lord is correcting me because I get corrected daily. But the fact that I'm getting corrected means that there's a relationship. The fact that the Holy Spirit is willing to admonish me as well as encourage me to pursue what is right and to do what is right, that fact right there means there's a relationship, but it makes you look vulnerable. So we need to be honest and upfront and model behavior. And don't you dare mess this up by preaching church to people that are seeking answers and that need Jesus Christ and his kingdom. Woe FOYO. Everybody, thanks for listening. We hope this challenges you and causes you to grow and causes you to act. You can always check us out at woefoyo.org. Find out how to contact us here, or subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or Article, or check us out on YouTube. For Bones and Myself, this is a C dub reminding you that if you're going to grow, you got a Woefo Yo. Get in the word for yourself.