The WOFOYO Podcast
The WOFOYO Podcast
WOFOYO SHORT: Privilege Without Discipline Breeds Fragility
Not every discomfort is persecution, and not every loud feeling is truth. We take a clear-eyed look at fragile faith, why comfort can erode character, and how discipline forms people who hold steady when life hits. The spark is a sober story of loss and a public deconstruction that blames the church for every bruise. We offer compassion without surrendering clarity, asking what happens when childhood praise outpaces boundaries and adults expect life to keep saying yes.
From there we move to Jesus’ words in John 17, where he prays not for escape but for protection as we stay in the world. That staying requires spine. Hebrews 12 becomes the anchor: God’s discipline is proof of love, not rejection. It hurts in the short term and yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness for those trained by it. We unpack how that training works on the ground: opening Scripture daily, letting the Holy Spirit correct us, and learning to tell the difference between flesh-driven impulse and Spirit-led action.
We also tackle the limits of feel-good religion. Charismatic gifts without guardrails confuse emotion for anointing and create a shaky witness. Real empowerment blends warmth and consequence. In families and congregations, fathers and mentors set boundaries, explain the why, and enforce consistently. Kids who connect choices with outcomes grow into adults who can wait, work, and endure. Not all the “cool kids” finish well; character outlasts charisma.
If you’re hungry for a sturdier faith, this conversation is a call to submit to loving correction, raise children with both grace and grit, and let Scripture be the map that steadies your steps.
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Hey everybody, welcome to another Woe Foyo Short. This is C Dub. I remember Joe Rogan, can't remember if he was quoting somebody or not, but I remember him in a discussion saying, referring to how younger generations sometimes to us seem to make a mountain of a molehill because they are having high-speed come apart about things which those of us from previous generations are going, what what in the world is the big crisis here? And you can get into a number of explanations, but what Joe Rowland said was the worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you. So we look at some of the different things that happen because we've been so privileged and we've been so blessed, and then you got to ask, man, really, how how blessed have we been because we've been so privileged? And you know, when when people are complaining about minutia and arguing and splitting congregations over stupid theology, which in the grand scheme of things isn't really going to matter one iota. And you compare that to Christians getting slaughtered over in Nigeria or other places, Syria, Christians getting persecuted in China puts things in perspective. Why is it important to read what has happened in the past and the persecution that has happened in the past? Because all of a sudden you might get in the mindset that what you're experiencing is just life and it's not necessarily persecution. You don't know what they said about me, and don't really care what they said about you. That's really not that important because you again, you read Fox's Book of Martyrs, you read uh you see me as a church history like I read this this summer, and you realize that you're complaining over this, you're having an emotional high-speed coma part over this. Or say we love God, but we won't submit to the discipline of God. Part of what's bringing this on is I found out there was a tragedy. I don't want to be disrespectful in how I talk about that, but there was a tragedy. Uh, knew the knew the people involved. But in catching up with what all was going on, because this was not people that I was close with, but I can't say that about other family members. So with all due respect to that, uh, found out that one of the more privileged and championed and taken care of people that I'd ever seen raised in church. Uh, bottom line, somebody might have described as having gone off the deep end and has nothing to do, has left the faith, and wants which, you know, you're an adult. You can make that decision, not the right decision, but you can make that decision. But then was getting all on social media and talking about you don't know how the church traumatized me, you don't know how hard my upbringing was, you don't know how hold the phone. Again, I wasn't close to that person, but I could see. And I got to hear. And the problem is when you spoil your kids, when they hit adulthood, they think everything's supposed to go their way, and they really have a hard time operating in the real world. Bones and I were just talking about Jesus praying in John 17. I do not pray that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one or keep them from harm, depending on which translation you're reading. So we want to have gospels that preach lovey dovey and self-actualization, and it's about being a better you. Well, you want to be a better you, let the Lord discipline you. Let's get in the word for ourselves. Hebrews chapter 12, verse 3, we are going to read through verse 11. Consider him, talking about Jesus here, who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or faint hearted. In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. And have you forgotten the exhortation that addressed you as sons? My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him, for the Lord disciplines the one he loves and chastises every son whom he receives. It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are left without discipline, in which we all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. King James uses the term bastards. Verse 9 Besides this we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us, and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the father of spirits and live? For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good that we may share in his holiness. For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it. Couple things that you see in people when I would mention this. Oh boy, I still hear some assistant pastors just you know, brother, that's not the right spirit. People talk, what a tragedy, how horrible this is. I am just totally shocked that this can happen. Oh Lord, how could this happen when something bad happened? And I would go, Well, that's just work. The word's proven itself right. And what would happen is people don't want to read the old testament. That's the old testament. Yeah. And the old testament will profit you if you let it discipline you. It's all the word of God, folks. But there would be these principles, especially in Proverbs, especially in some of the laws of the Torah that people want to think are outdated. The Lord would say in there, or he might be speaking through Solomon in a proverb, if you do this, this is going to happen. Or on the flip side, if you fail to do this, then this is going to be the result. And sure enough, people would do the thing they were supposed to do, and good things would happen, and people would neglect to do uh the good things, and then it ended up bad, or they would do something that it strictly forbid, and it had a had a catastrophic result, and everybody wanted to be in shock because, sure, that's the compassionate thing is to act like you're in shock when really the word's just working itself out. I'm like, you know, I'm not happy that this happened. I want to exercise some compassion, but let's not lie to ourselves and say that we're shocked when the word just proves itself right. Discipline, discipline, discipline, discipline. Tell you another thing, you're seeing this in. You're seeing this happen in your lovey dovey. Let's see how big we can grow our congregation by watering things down. These congregations that are preaching nothing but a feel-good gospel, which doesn't involve any discipline and training, at best are neutral in their results, and quite often result in in really bad things happening. The wheels coming apart about 70 miles per hour down the highway happening. Whether it's in people's lives or whether it's in the congregation as a whole. Speaking to us. Those that would say, well, charismatic, charismatic, Pentecostal, full gospel, however you want to, man, if you're operating in the gifts of the Spirit, and it's all about the ecstasy of the moment when the Holy Spirit hits you, and you're not disciplined, you're going to go off and do some stupid stuff. Because you're going to be doing things, and if you're not disciplined, you will fail to discern what is happening through your soul and what is happening in your flesh. And if you're not disciplined and have not been trained, and I'm not talking about submitting to this discipleship program. No, I'm talking about getting in the word for yourself, letting the Holy Spirit correct you. If you don't submit to that, you're going to end up doing some really stupid stuff. You're going to make yourself look stupid. And the bad thing is it's going to be a bad witness for Christ. Discipline. So you see this a lot in matriarchal settings where dad isn't around, or in communities where dad isn't around, and a vast majority of who makes up the body of believers are women. Discipline is nowhere. And you see the result. And everything's about encouragement, and everything is about we want to empower our children. The way you empower them is yes, love and encourage, but also you have to have discipline. There's a reason it's mentioning fathers here, because the fathers set the guidelines and enforce the guidelines. And if you're a good father, you're also explaining why the guidelines are there and why they're being enforced. And why you cannot do this right now. I'm not allowing this because it hurts now, but it is going to yield fruit for you when all your friends I've told my children several times. There a lot of the people that were the cool kids didn't end up so well. Some of the cool kids died and got shot. Some of the cool kids ended up in the joint. Some of the cool kids got drugged up and died in car wrecks. Happens. Thank God every day for every time my father disciplined me. Now, both my earthly father and who's one of the most encouraging men that you could ever meet. Great to have him as a dad. But but also my heavenly father. So I'm going to encourage you. Raise your children right. Be submitted to the Lord. Submit to what he's telling you in his word. Submit to the voice of his Holy Spirit speaking to you. Then raise your kids right. Yes, love and encourage them. Yes, tell them when they've done right. But you also gotta let them know and let there be consequences for when they're doing things wrong. And let them equate consequence, whether it's good consequence for good behavior or bad consequences for bad behavior. Let them equate that at an early age, and it is going to save them so much trouble. It is going to cause them to mature. And believe me, that will yield results. Woe FO Yo. Hey everybody, thanks for listening. We hope this challenges you and causes you to grow and yields results. You can always check us out at woefoyo.org, find out how to contact us there, or subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or check us out on YouTube. Compones and myself this seed of reminding you if you're going to grow, you got a woefoyo. Get in the word for yourself.