The WOFOYO Podcast
The WOFOYO Podcast
Learning To Fight: How God Uses Testing To Train A Generation
What if the obstacles in front of you aren’t setbacks but assignments? We open Judges 3 and see a fierce principle at work: God left enemies in the land so a new generation would learn war. That ancient line reframes our moment—silence, failure, and even success are tests designed to train courage, clarify loyalties, and mature discernment.
We talk frankly about leadership under pressure: the 2020 prophecies, public apologies, and the subtle temptation to protect a platform instead of obeying God. It’s not about never being wrong; it’s about refusing to rent your conscience to applause. We also wade into the Israel debate with nuance many timelines can’t hold—praying for Israel without baptizing every policy, rejecting cancel absolutism while holding to Scripture and character. Victory has its own seductions; a win can make us devour each other, mistake metrics for fruit, and exchange wisdom for noise.
Then we turn to discipleship on the ground. Pulpits can teach, but only proximity can train. Training is slow, messy, and personal—crawl, walk, run, with after-action honesty. We celebrate celebrity conversions while warning against handing the microphone to someone before formation. Still, we honor the courage of new voices naming hard truths the church often avoids: persecution ignored by headlines, the radical scandal of grace, and the cost of forgiveness. The path forward isn’t better branding or geofencing competitors; it’s mentors walking with “replacements,” scarred saints guiding fresh zeal until experience and endurance meet.
If the Body is being tested, so are we. Take the tactical pause. Return to the Word. Ask the Spirit to realign your steps. Then move with clean motives and steady hands.
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Hey friends, the Rob Reverend Show Bob Hobob here. Still waiting on that$777 channel to see. But while I'm waiting, I want to talk to you about submission. You know, oh yeah, Hoodwink Ministries International, might have ministered in the Virgin Island, you know, a big proponent of things being done decently and in order. That's right. And you know there's no greater evidence of a personal relationship with Jesus than doing exactly what your pastor says when he says to do it. Mr. Rose, give me a dollar to bring me my teeth. That's what I'm talking about. He says, jump, you say how high. Why them heretics over wolf for you is saying that you can know the Lord for yourself and hear his voice? That ain't decently and in order. How are you gonna control that? Well, right after Christ ordained the church, he set up a man in charge to manage your faith. And if you don't do what he says, well, you're in rebellion. If he's in authority, you're to carry out his orders. No matter what rule he breaks, no matter if you think he faked, no matter who wife he takes, so the state, for goodness sake. And since we know you don't want to be out of submission, we hit Hoodwink Ministries are offering you a bona fide legitimate dip to miracle water from the River Jordan certificate of submission for a love offering of$77 plus shipping and handling. Remember, friends, this is Reverend Show Bob Hobob asking you, why would you want to know the law for yourself? Well, we can know them for you. I read a scripture last week. Judges three, this thing is not left me alone. Because I think I think there's some modern parallels. I think it's applicable. I think it's significant. I think there's going to be some similarities between things we're going through now and this situation right here. So Judges 3, verse 1, verses 1 through 3. Now these are the nations that the Lord left to test Israel by them. That is, all in Israel who had not experienced all the wars in Canaan. It was only in order that the generations of the people of Israel might know war, to teach war to those who had not known it before. These are the nations. So that those who have not experienced war in Israel might learn it as well as learn how to teach it. Now we we were talking about some things just before the podcast, because we really didn't have a set thing to talk about. But you know, as the as the year draws to a close, I usually go, Lord, well, what's coming up? You know, what what's coming up for the new year? What's what what should the body be expecting? What should I be expecting? And really, the thing that without the audible word vibrating the house, it has been this idea of testing. This idea of testing, and and there's a couple ways that you can be tested. Um silence is a test, uh, failure is a test, but also success can be a test as well. So here you have Israel having a modicum of success, but they failed to take full advantage of it under Joshua. And now since the Lord's going, hey, well, since you didn't want to take full advantage of it, here's some here's some obstacles. Here's some here's some adversaries, so that you might learn what it means. And that this is also a reason you you look at a lot of people that inherit the family business, it only lasts three to four generations in the most, and then it uh then it kind of squirr, you know, it it either gets sold, changes hands, or dies because less and less of the preceding generations know the price that was paid to actually build the business. And so they think it's just a cash cow a lot of times, the money isn't mismanaged and the work ethic isn't there. But but I do think that the body here coming up has been in a time of testing and will continue to be in a time of testing, just so as bones as you say, we can show who's who in the zoo.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, there's we see here in Judges, uh, the Lord saying, Hey, um y'all have come through some things, y'all, y'all have had some war, but y'all got some new guys, uh, some guys that haven't uh haven't fought, who haven't experienced the wars. Um, and so we we see that we see the same thing in the body of Christ. We have uh folks who have been saved and engaged in spirit spiritual warfare, uh walking that life out, uh so on and so forth. And then uh here comes uh the new guys uh the who are newly saved, uh you know, on fire for the Lord, you know, uh full of piss and vinegar, so to speak. Um, but they haven't been tested yet. Uh they haven't had that faith tested yet, they haven't had the relationship tested yet, they haven't had anything tested yet. And a lot of them probably have the knowledge, they they they know the scripture, they were and the fact that they've read the Bible front to back a couple times and had some good Sunday school teaching and and Bible study teaching and everything. But it's the testing uh that that they that they're they're lacking. It's it's the walking it out. And we talk about that quite a bit on on the podcast, is you you can have all the knowledge that that you want or you think you need, but until God have you uh walk it out, uh knowledge is all it is, and knowledge will puff you up and make you vainful, uh prideful if you're not careful.
SPEAKER_00:So I I came across something, I was cleaning up some files because I was looking for one that I had not labeled, and when you type up and it and it kind of does an autosave, it'll be like blank, blank one, blank two, blank three. So I'm looking for this file to see if it went from my iPad to my regular computer, see if it was in the cloud. And it was, but in doing so, I go, man, I just typed a sentence. Here was a list. One of them was I was proud to say I deleted it, but it was woe fo, what's it supposed to be about? And you know, it was very gratifying that some of those original intent things we've not strayed from. Right. So that that was reassuring, not not looking to make money off people, you know, just trying to persuade people and convince people and and just influence people to have a closer walk with the Lord for themselves. Right. I mean, I I think we've been fairly true to that, and uh, I think the Lord's honored that. But one of the things that I came across was some things that the Lord put in my spirit regarding 2020, and it was not a popular opinion. And I go, this is what's going on. And I think at 2020, given some of the things that happened versus some of the things that the Lord was legitimately saying, it was exposing no matter what it looked like, who had the courage to say, No, I heard from the Lord, versus, oh, I'm sorry I got it wrong. I don't know what happened, but I'm I had to have got it wrong. And and you saw basically a bunch of nutless wonders. Right. Old Daryl Colt and his wife, we were talking out church, talking outside of church. And uh one time I said, Well, let me tell you what I think about him. So, well, you know, so-and-so, and he admitted he was wrong. I said, I think he's a coward, is what I think. And uh he made some uh predictions about election and different things. I said, I said, I think the body's getting ready to go into a time of testing, which is what 2020 all was. And then this was late November, early December, and I go, I see all these prophets kowtowing, apologizing. I'll submit myself under why why are you submitting yourself under some authority of people that really, if you look at it, the body of Christ got in the shape it was in under their watch. So you're just kowtowing. Why? Because you're afraid of losing viewership, because you're afraid of losing a following, you're afraid of not fitting in. What are you really doing this for? You you know, and there was a few people, and and it was the people I didn't even like their style. I found their style off-putting, but they were the seriously, yeah, big learning moment for me, and they were the ones that had guts enough to say, God says this. Yep. And I go, I don't like your slick back here. Uh I don't like that fake tan or that goofy suit. But hats off to you, sir. Hats off to you, ma'am. At least you had guts enough to say, thus saith the Lord. Thus saith the Lord, and to hell with everything else. And and but anyway, I I found out, I go, the body of Christ is going through a time of testing. And we're going to see who may take. But I remember telling the Colson, I think that dude's a coward. I said, Don't get me wrong. He's had some words that have blessed me. I said, love the guy, pray for the guy, but that ain't a guy you go into war with.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, let's let's talk about why that's dangerous. We we may not agree with or like somebody's style or their uh their methodology and whatnot. But a person who knows or believes emphatically that what they're hearing is from the Lord and they are speaking that out in obedience, um, there's there's something to be honored in that. You can you can honor that because because you know it takes courage to step out and and say, hey, God told me this, God told me that. Unless you're just doing it out of just outright, you know, nefariousness. Um but when when a person steps out and says, Thus saith the Lord, they're stepping out in faith, they are being strong and courageous and all those things. But now when a person steps up and they're wishy-washy, and when I say wishy-washy without sounding mean or anything, but they're they're half in and they're half out because they don't want to be wrong. They want to be right for sure, but they don't want to be wrong, and therefore, if they are wrong, they can they can still they got one foot in and they can they got room to apologize. That that's not the kind of person you want uh on your left or your right while you're on the battlefield in warfare, uh, because that person's not in the fight. That person's in survival mode. Um, and and and the truth is the only person that that person cares about is themselves. Uh the the only survival that they care about is themselves. They won't sacrifice themselves, they will save themselves. So that's why it's so important. Um, if you believe God has given you a word, if God has shown you something, it's always nice to find out if it's uh for public consumption or if it's just for private consumption. But it's it's okay to to believe that God has told you something and to say those things. Um, that's a whole lot better than, well, I think maybe I'm 65% sure maybe he did, maybe he. You know, you probably need to go back in the prayer closet and figure that out.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I'll tell you one guy I I don't even like. When the Lord actually shares something with him, and I do respect him in a lot of ways. Uh I just he's got a lot of other goofy ideas, and I go, Yeah, you're just full of beans on that one. You know, but he goes, all I know is that God said Donald Trump was a two-term president. I don't know how that looks. He said, but that's what that's the words.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_00:And everybody, exactly. You know what? I'm going to disappear off social media for a while. I'm doing this because the Lord told me to, not to get a following, and he stepped away. And you'll see him back in very limited circles. And I go, I even sent him a message, you know, just not that we know each other, but I saw a lot of I saw a lot of us, is what I saw on that dude. Right. He has the bigger following, but I go, Well, I know where you're at in your walk, bud.
SPEAKER_03:But the truth is, he he he heard what God said. He heard what God said, period. And he said it. Um, we have our tendencies to lean into our own understanding, and and then that's what gets us messed up.
SPEAKER_00:I said, turn turns out you were right, but the one thing about uh prophetic utterance when God gives you a word, a lot of times he don't give you the timing. Yep. I said, you were right, they were wrong. I said, but God's timing is usually the blind spot of the prophet. Right.
SPEAKER_03:Look how long many of the prophecies from Isaiah and Jeremiah and the older prophets, the the major prophets. Looks how look how many years uh and centuries there were between utterance and fulfillment. Um many of them went to the grave having not seen their prophecies fulfilled. Yeah. Uh so yeah, so something takes a few years for us uh here in modern times, man, that ain't nothing.
SPEAKER_00:That just shows you how microwave things are here in the West. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. We were kind of talking before, and and and I I was seeing some similar things, and and again, this is why you don't put your trust in people, you put your trust in the Lord and what the Lord is saying. Just looking at current events, looking at people that claim the name of Jesus Christ, and I'm just looking at some things, and I go, success is if you really want to see it, failure is testing the left, and success is testing the right. Yeah, and a lot a lot of which are claiming the name of Jesus, but I'm looking at certain behaviors, and I'm going, you y'all don't know how to win. And that's that that's something that you need to learn how to do without losing your mind. It reminds me of that scene in the original Conan the Barbarian, uh, where it says, sometimes success can measure a man's metal as much as anything. And he just falls down with his face in the soup and starts blowing bubbles. Kind of like that scene. But but I'm looking, I'm like, well, y'all are turning on each other, y'all are trying to devour each other, everybody's this side, that side, that side, you know, all the polarization. And I've seen a few people go, you need to cut this mess out.
unknown:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Which are actually the voices of reason. Uh, but I've looked at it and I'm like, this is testing. You see this in the body of Christ, it's testing. You know, one of these days we'd actually have to do some prep work because one of the big dividing issues right now is Israel. Right. And let's be honest, most people's understanding, whether you are, hey, Israel is God's people, which I actually believe. And pray for Israel, which do daily. If you were to ask the average, or then you got the other people, it's the Zionists and they're doing everything, and this and that you got that side. But we would really have to dig into it because name is the political parties in Israel. Do you pray for the United States? If you live in the United States, God, I hope you do. Does everything that happens in the United States, is that pleasing God? So why would that nation be any different? Why would that people be any different? Right. Could it be maybe they're going through a time of sifting and testing and exposing of what needs to be addressed as well? Why couldn't that just be the case? And maybe since they have a crap load of political parties over there. We have two.
SPEAKER_03:Well, that's something uh they got something that uh the cancel culture ha has brought in. Uh this notion that uh you're either all the way or you're nothing. Um so you mean, and what I mean is you're either uh you're either all the way perfect, uh there, therefore I can associate with you, and you're righteous and good, uh, therefore you're therefore we're okay. Uh or uh I found a flaw in you, therefore you're not righteous and perfect, therefore you're you're just you're you're you're all the way evil, and I can't have nothing to do with you. Um there's there's no there's no middle ground, there's there's nothing that looks uh for the for the common ground and says, you know, well in Israel's case, yeah, we we pray for Israel, we stand with Israel, where all those things that God tells us to do with Israel in the scriptures, that doesn't mean that we agree with every single decision that they make. Um, they make some stupid ones, just like we do here here in America.
SPEAKER_00:Like you said in another episode, does it mean that they should dictate our foreign policy?
SPEAKER_03:Right, exactly. Exactly. So, you know, just because we make a stupid decision as a nation, uh doesn't mean that we want our allies to give up on us. We don't want people to stop praying for us as a nation, all those things to stop. Um, so you you do have to know uh the intent of the heart, a person's character, a nation's character, all those things. And And the only way you can know those things is to have a relationship. Now, how do you how do you have a relationship with a nation? Well, you have to spend some time and know some history and know a little bit more about the nation than what CNN and Fox News tell you. Yeah. You got to devote some time.
SPEAKER_00:Yep. And the bottom line is that culture, a lot of the people that I heard that were critics, you're coming from a very Catholicized, which is almost this passive form of Christianity. Well, that's not God. Well, hold on. There's an Old Testament too. And just as we read here, this was a warring people. So when a warring people do warring things, not that it excuses everything, but you have to understand that there is a cultural difference there that is not what ours is. And you don't have to approve, disapprove. You just have to understand it is what it is. Right. Right. So you know that that's one of the big dividing points. I've seen it in the body of Christ. I've seen it uh in in politics. And it's just been one of the I think that's a testing. I I think who can actually one of the tests is who's going to be able to accurately assess and articulate what's really going on is going to be one of the main tests to see who the Lord brings forth in some of these upcoming seasons.
SPEAKER_03:Right. And there's going to be that kind of testing. There's also the testing of you got to test your own mettle. Your proverbial mettle has to be tested. Your faith is going to be tested. Your walk is going to be tested. Your relationship is going to be tested. Much like these uh these new guys here in Judges 3. Um in Banda Brothers, the series Banda Brothers, there's a an episode. One of the episodes is called The Replacements. And they talk about, and in some of the little interview snippets, they talk about what it was, what it was like to be the replacements, the new guys who came into the unit after D-Day uh and and filled in uh to replace those casualties and those losses. And a lot of the uh the guys who made it through D-Day and the first few days and everything, um, a lot of those old guys there talked about they didn't want to get to know the new guys, uh, because new guys got killed pretty quick. Uh they they just got slaughtered because they had they they had bad habits, uh they hadn't learned anything yet, and yada yada yada. And there's a there's a parallel here uh in Christendom where you have um you have Christians who have been into the wilderness, come back out of the wilderness once, twice, three or four times, uh, whether they know they have or not, uh they they've developed that relationship with the Lord. You see them walking it out and whatnot. Those are those are the people that you look at and say, man, I want to be like that. That's the Christian I want to be like. Um then you have uh folks who are newly saved and converted and fully on fire, but they have no testing yet. They haven't uh they they haven't been uh they haven't had their finances fail yet. They haven't had a uh severe sickness in the family, they haven't they haven't had those things that some of these other Christians with some, you know, with some salt in their pouch uh have have had to deal with. Um those mentors, if you would. And it can be very easy to to see those youngins and talk to those young'uns and see that they're not listening and not doing what they're what you're trying to trying to get them to do. It can be very easy to turn your back sometimes and say, you know what, they just ain't getting it, until they fail, uh, until they fall on their face and they go through that warfare, and they have to rely on that relationship. And that's usually when the mentor steps back in and helps them out.
SPEAKER_00:You got a good cinematic equivalent equivalent of that. We're Star Wars guys. Return of the or uh not return of the Jedi, but when and the Empire Strikes Back when Luke's training with Yoda and Dagobah, he has to go into the dark cave. Yeah. Well, well, what's in there? Only what you take with you.
SPEAKER_03:I'll always take it with you.
SPEAKER_00:And see if you pass the test. Well, you failed the test, but now that you failed that test, now let's start the training. And you were talking about um, we were talking a couple minutes, just kind of getting the game plan together about what to talk about. You know, part of the these newbies is and I I go, well, this is nothing new under the sun, but you are seeing a lot of it, is there's a lot of newer people that are becoming that that are converting to Christianity, they're right uh the they're pronouncing a faith in Christ, and that gets celebrated, and I think rightfully so to an extent, you know, anybody gets born again. If the angels are rejoicing, yeah, we should rejoice. Definitely for sure. But that doesn't mean that we should automatically follow them because they're a celebrity.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I I see I see some things in the body with with uh with some of the newbies. And whether it's Russell Brand, Jelly Roll, um I think Joe Rogan is starting to come around if he hasn't converted yet. Um, and this isn't these are not knocks against these people because we praise the Lord for their conversions. Um but it we have to be very cautious when we hand the microphone right back to them and and give them, well, we don't give them their platform, they built their platform, you know, because they're celebrities. Um, but because of their influence, their celebrity influence, uh, they they have a lot, their voices carry a lot of weight, I guess is the easy way to say it. And it can be very easy for young people and old people for for that matter, uh we're not we're not that young anymore. Um, but uh it can be very easy for anybody to latch on to some of these newbies in the faith uh who haven't been tested yet, and start start going, amen, amen and amen, not understanding that, wait a minute, um, you know, is is this live or is it memoricks? Um is this real yet? Uh have they been tested, or are they making their own six-pound, eight-ounce baby Jesus uh for themselves? Um because I it's not that I want to see anybody fail, but I know that their testing, their day of testing is coming. You know, when that happens, um we want to make sure that we're not standing around hoping for failure. We want to make sure that uh we're standing around uh with a handout uh to help them back up because they're gonna need it. We're there, they're really gonna need it. But we got to be care be very careful when we give um very young, very new Christians um a platform uh to start talking about all the things that they've experienced in the last six months of their uh new walk. It can be very uh very frightening. We were there, we did it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, absolutely. And one of the things that can test you, talking about testing, is to get that recognition early. Because we both did. Yeah. And I think yours is a little bit more concentrated uh than mine because you grew faster than I did. Uh but and when I think about my friend Mike Ward, uh, same thing with him. Right. It was just obvious, celebrated, and you know, you always have those times of pruning. And the thing is, if you recognize the process, then you you know what's coming. You know, uh if you want to know what the process is, go watch grandma ivy on Pure Country, a little tree speech. Yeah, and uh uh not the not the chicken speech, the the the chicken crap. No, that white thing on the top of it. But but the dance and chicken chicken to that one, yeah, especially if they tell you you're called pay attention to the dancing chicken uh monologue. That right there, uh there's going to be this pruning. And while you were talking, I was thinking, man, I remember early 2000s, Deion Sanders gets saved. And then you see old Debo get saved. Oh uh Tiny Lister. Tiny Lister, yeah. A tiny Zeus Lister. And so you'll have these celebrities that get saved, and all of a sudden they're on uh they're on TV and they're on back then it was TBN, it was a big thing. And TBN. Hey, isn't it great? These are these are just it then and look at all these celebrities that got saved. Isn't this cool?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it and our carnal thinking, um, as we lean into our own understanding, we think, yes, this is a cool thing, this is going to help recruit young people, and but that's not man, when we look at it spiritually, that's not what the Bible says.
SPEAKER_00:That's not no, that's not how it works. It's kind of antithetical. Yeah. Um even Paul warned against making him or Peter or Apollos a celebrity. Right. Right over in uh 1 Corinthians. Right. So you have to realize that these people are going to have a time of testing and hope and pray to God that they come out of it better. That that being said, I'll say say a couple things here. Uh, I remember there was a friend, mutual friend of ours was posting about uh Nicki Minaj or Jelly Roller, all that, and you know, beware of the shiny new things. Okay, point taken. But if anything got us attracted to shiny new things, it was your mega church ministries.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And the same thing you're saying about that, about where's the experience, where's the testing. Well, where was the substance when everybody's trying to grow their church to 10,000 members? Right. And right especially in areas that that wouldn't support it. Right. And you're conforming to the world, or you're conforming to another church that has done this, maybe in the area that, and you don't know the logistics of it, you don't know how they got it. I'll reference again, there's a dude named Dutch Sheets who was pastoring in Colorado Springs, same time that my favorite church I've ever went to, uh Victory World Outreach over there. Uh Pastor Jones said this, and 20 years later, I heard Dutch Sheets say the same thing. So nobody was very few people there, as far as churches, very few churches were actually going out and ministering to the lost. Victory was. What was happening was a bunch of cross-growth where you were recruiting from one church to another. Uh, there was a very famous one uh called New Life, and had a pastor there that all come to find out he was homosexual. Uh yeah, imagine that. Know those that labor among you. Um but one of the things I remember seeing is you're gonna have these times of testing. People like the shiny new things. But what got us into that mode was this megachurch culture and big ministry culture that is, and I I've seen it a little bit in the smaller churches too. Hey, look who attended. Um remember when I was married, that family, different circles of ministry be like, hey, you know who attended so-and-so service? You know who attended so-and-service service? Oh, Stevie Wonder attended there, Oprah attended there. Yeah, but are they saved?
SPEAKER_03:No kidding.
SPEAKER_00:Did they get born again? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Um David Platt is um he wrote a book, I think it's called Radical. It's been a few years since I read it. He he was known at the time as the youngest uh megachurch pastor, I think is what is what the title he was given. But anyway, in his book, he talks about uh getting promoted up uh and receiving this large megachurch and having this large congregation, and then getting invited to to dinner or some kind of meeting with a couple pastors, and and the whole context of the meeting was to talk about how to grow his church to the next level. Uh, and and it was it's just and he talks about how all it was was a very carnal and business way of growing your church and growing your church, growing your congregation uh secularly. It had nothing to do with with spiritualness or anything. And of course, the book was very interesting. It what really didn't say anything that you and I didn't already know or had talked about before. But as I read the book, I'm sitting there going, okay, so now we you you realize all those things. Now what are you doing? Um, because I think uh last I knew of David Platt, he was the director of missions for the Southern Baptist Conference. So that's all he did was was go be a part of another mega church, uh the Southern Southern Baptist Conference. So, but you know, there you go. I digress.
SPEAKER_00:Southern Baptists control a very significant number of the seminaries and Bible colleges in the United States.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Sure do. I want to say a majority. I believe it is a majority. I believe it's like 60 percent. And they and they do uh but but I did but I haven't checked anything out, so you take that as face value, but it is a significant number.
SPEAKER_03:They do a pretty good job of keeping the SBC name off some things too, so you don't see it as the Southern Baptist Conference. I can't blame them. I mean doing what they're supposed to do.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, they're those are their experiments and they want some plausible deniability. The term loosely affiliated. Satellite. You know, I was sitting at a place that just got my neck adjusted, and every now and then I would go right across from the chiropractor, which plays the Christian worship music and all that stuff, and while you're getting there, why while you're getting your neck adjusted and waiting for your body to readjust and all that stuff, uh there's a place called uh Cask over in Cape. It's right next to a place called Primovino. And they make one of the best old fashions. Every day. And every now and then I get in a mood for an old fashioned one, go home. And it was a good window, especially if the day at work was one of them.
SPEAKER_02:Right. So anyway, I like to people watch.
SPEAKER_00:And if I consume a beverage, I like to people watch and or listen to music while I'm doing it. One of my favorite things. Yeah, and if I'm doing both, one of my I I'd spend money on a jukebox just, okay, we got this crowd here. Let's see if they like this and if they like that. And you, oh, you got this couple doing that over there. Let's play a good old breakup song. Let's play a good old romance song. See how you could affect the people with the music you played on the jukebox. It like I said, in that particular place, there's a lot of shop, gets talk. There's a lot of uh lot of golfers will drink their, there's a lot of trophy wives and ex-wives that'll be comparing notes.
SPEAKER_03:Uh, a lot of hands cackling.
SPEAKER_00:Oh man. And uh high price hens. And at the same time, there's a lot of businessmen that will meet there, they will have a cocktail and discuss business strategies. And I remember uh three years ago, there's a guy, he's a marketing guy. And you know what he's using as an example of what he can do with this guy's business. See, if you're if you're looking to expand, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but we need a theme. Because if you go to this church and they have this many satellites, you know you're gonna get a certain flavor. You know you're gonna get a certain feel, whether you're going to that church over in Perryville or Cape Girardo or Sykston or wherever you're going, that label means something because you know you're gonna get. He said, even more, if you were to take the assemblies of God, you know that if you go to an assemblies of God church, no matter where you go, there's gonna be a certain flavor to it. He said, and that and that's what we're trying to develop for your business if you come on with us and allow us to market it. Yeah, and this is how we can help you grow. They're building brand. And what I'm the reason the reason I'm building the brand was exactly the term he was using. So the reason I'm bringing that up is here you have a secular business and they are using both a local church and well, they were using Cape First. I'm not holding that against Cape First, which is now another name. Uh just can't remember what it is. Looks like a Glock logo, though.
SPEAKER_02:Anyway, uh love Glocks.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah. Uh they're dependable. Uh there's some guns that are better, though. But uh anyway, he was using that. Now, I'm not saying that Gary Brothers went and was trying to do that. Right. But but he used that local church and then he used the assemblies of God. But it was interesting that you have a secular business is using the church as the model for marketing and franchising.
SPEAKER_03:A lot of churches do that. Uh last church I went to uh had had done that, uh, had used a marketing company to um design their logo, you know, and and and all these all these things that the colors in the logo means something and all that stuff. And yeah, so there's there's a lot of a lot of churches doing that. Um they're using um geotagging, geofencing. That's some dirty stuff. It is geofencing is dirty. Uh what geofencing is, if you don't know, um you can put a a virtual fence around a geographical location, and whenever a person enters that location, whether it's uh uh uh well just you you put a uh geographical location, a person enters that location, and your ads for your church start popping. Popping up on their phone. So what churches will do is they will geofence other churches so that when people go to these other churches, they get ads for their church. So while you're sitting in a church, you're you're getting another church's ads. Yeah, that church has been geofenced. Yeah. It's been tagged. Um that's a that's dirty. Um now in in the business world, we would just say that's just business.
SPEAKER_00:You know, business is we're not competing against each other.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Not supposed to be. But in the body of Christ, I'm gonna call it dirty. Um, because we're not supposed to be um pulling from each other's congregations and and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_00:But uh I am of Paul, I am of Peter, uh or Cephas, I am of Apollos, and I am of Jesus. Is Christ divided? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So that does go on. Um, and uh it's it's a very secular business model, uh business tactic.
SPEAKER_00:So you know uh I would like to close out, because we're we're getting about time. You mentioned something though about Band of Brothers and talking about the new shiny things, the the new converts, and again, praise God for the new converts. I will say this. Some of those new converts, uh, even though they might not be my cup of tea, have brought up and talked about some things that a lot of people in the pulpit will shy away from.
SPEAKER_03:Amen.
SPEAKER_00:I don't I don't see what the big deal about Nicki Minaj is. Um I know my oldest boy was a real fan when he was in high school for certain other reasons, but uh those reasons are behind her now.
SPEAKER_03:But but God blessed her.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, but that was the only person I knew of that was getting national attention for calling uh calling out the genocide in Nigeria of the Christians. Right. Well, guess what? Praise God she did. Might not be my cup of tea, praise gosh she did. But I will say I will say that first and foremost. You know, uh some of those celebrities are saying some things. Russell Brand, I think, is saying some things. Yep, yeah, yeah. He is, and he's saying some good things. Very good things that need to be said in most of the pulpits here in the West are too cowardly to address or else too self-absorbed. I mentioned probably the latter.
SPEAKER_03:I mentioned jelly roll, and one of the things the thing I like about jelly roll is he's pushing a lot of grace and a lot of forgiveness.
SPEAKER_00:Uh he's lived it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, he's lived it. So we we do see that uh newbies and these new folks, they bring something to the table. They really do. Uh they're not to be ignored. Uh, but uh they're they are to be tested. They're there to be, you just you just gotta watch them, you just gotta test them. Yeah, uh the same way, the same way that you were.
SPEAKER_00:And and and that that's what I was gonna bring up. You were talking about band of brothers, though. You know, discipleship is messy. And there is a difference between teaching and a difference between training. Uh a lot of what you're getting from the pulpits is entertainment and a good church, you're getting teaching, but I guarantee you what you are not getting from a pulpit is training because training is one-on-one. It is just almost logistically impossible to train from a pulpit up. Training requires involvement. Right. Uh, training requires that crawl, walk, run methodology where you have to be there. Yeah. And some people pick it up quicker than others, but it also involves the after-action review. How did you fail? What could we do better? Do you know what happened? You know, it it's a little bit messy because it is involved. It is not going to be very marketable, however, it is the most beneficial. And it is up to us that have been through those things not to just point fingers and be like, look at what they're doing.
SPEAKER_02:Well, dumb dum. You've been through it, reach out.
SPEAKER_00:Help them out if they're willing to receive it, because not everybody's at a stage where we weren't always at uh at a stage where we were willing to be taught and discipled, but there's an old saying that when the student is ready, the master appears. Right. Right.
SPEAKER_03:You're uh your new folks can bring a certain fire and enthusiasm that we need that maybe some of us older ones have lost uh because because we're tired. You know, that's what war, that's what warfare does. That's what combat does, that's what work does. It wears you down. So it's nice to see that fresh fire, you know. Uh it's it's good to see fresh fire on the altar. Uh, there's nothing wrong with that. Um, in the same sense, uh on the backside, that same coin. Um, but that's still that's not who we're going to get. That's not who we're following, though. Um just because they're saying some cool stuff. Uh no, no more than anyone else should be following what we're saying either. Um, you always go to God's word, uh, always rely and lean on that relationship with Jesus and and let the Holy Spirit be your guide. And if you can if you can hold your hand out to someone and help them up and bring them along with you, then then then so be it. Um but the new guys, they're gonna get tested. They will. Yeah, it's it's inevitable. Uh the scripture says they will. Uh, it's up to us um old dogs to be ready for them when they do.
unknown:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:So be ready for, be ready to see them tested, be ready to see the body tested, and realize that you're part of the body, therefore you're being tested. Right. And when it gets too thick, bones, as you say, step back, take that tactical pause, uh, get realigned with the word, find out what the Holy Spirit's telling you, and then you'll know how to proceed. Take a knee, do a map check. Amen. Hey everybody, thanks for listening. We hope this challenges you and causes you to grow. And also thank you for an awesome 2025. You can always check us out at woofoyo.org or subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or over check us out on YouTube. Remember, folks, if you're going to grow, you've got a woof o yo. Get in the word for yourself.