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Peter's Puns: God Names You For What He Will Build In You

C-Dub and Bones Season 6 Episode 274

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What happens when God gives you a new name and you spend years growing into it? We sit with Peter’s story and the rock language of Matthew 16, where Simon confesses Jesus as the Christ and Jesus speaks identity and assignment over him. That calling is real, but it is not instant, and Peter’s missteps, restoration, and maturity show what spiritual formation actually looks like over time. 

We then move into 1 Peter 2 and the powerful picture of “living stones” being built into a spiritual house. Jesus Christ stands as the chief cornerstone, and our lives find alignment and stability in Him. We talk about stones being selected, shaped, measured, and fitted, and why the uncomfortable parts of growth often belong to the building process. If you care about Bible study themes like cornerstone, rock of offense, royal priesthood, and identity in Christ, this thread ties them together in a practical way. 

From uncut stones on Old Testament altars to temple stones prepared away from the job site, we explore how Scripture uses construction to explain holiness, community, and purpose. We also reflect on Jesus as a craftsman and how the gospel lands with everyday working people, not just elites. The conversation lands on a challenge: don’t try to carve yourself into a copy of someone else; cooperate with the Holy Spirit, keep your rhythms healthy, and ask God what He calls you. 

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Cold Open Knife Work Parody

SPEAKER_02

Just finished up. Getting ready to go to a prayer meeting. Hopefully catch a nap during the downtime. But people just won't let you be. At times like these, it helps to be armed. You don't want some flimsy run-of-the-milk kitchen knife. No, sir. You want the best. You want a store from St. Peter's knife work. They're sturdy, they're hand-forged, and easily concealed. Peter started making fishing knives as a young man for his family and business partners, and it grew into a pack. Well, it's a well-known fact that Peter had beat out Malchus to win the Gethsemane episode of Forged and Fire before the Lord decided to put his ear back on, and it was overturned on a technicality. So when you need to protect yourself and the boss, make sure you use the best. Use St. Peter's knife work. Branches in Capernaum, Rome, and Jerusalem. They can even take care of roosters, too. We're going to talk about Peter and his puns in this episode. In our last full episode, we referenced a passage of scripture over in Matthew 16. We kind of focused on what happens right after this, but we do reference it. In Matthew 16, 13. Now, when Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, he was asking his disciples, Who do people say that the Son of Man is? And they said, Some say John the Baptist, and others Elijah, and still others Jeremiah, or one of the other prophets. And he said to them, But who do you yourselves say that I am? Simon Peter answered, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus said to him, Blessed are you, Simon Bar Jonah, Simon, son of John, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I also say to you that you are Peter, which means stony or rocky, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven. Then he gave the disciples strict orders that they were to tell no one that he was the Christ. So if any of y'all ever heard the word petra, the Greek word means rock or stone, we know what happens after, because if you don't know, just go listen to our last episode. You know, we were talking about the fact that Jesus also references, you know, he's talking to the Pharisees, and he goes, the stone that the builders rejected become the chief cornerstone, the head of the corner, and said, Whoever falls on this stone would be broken, but whoever it falls upon will be ground to powder. And he's quoting Isaiah there. You know, we we've covered both of those passages multiple times on this podcast. But one of the things that really clicked, and sometimes it's just when the Lord has you read scripture close enough together that your mind makes an association, or maybe the Holy Spirit's letting you know combo of those. Um Peter chapter two. Think this rock thing, this Peter going from being Cephas, going from being simply Simon the son of John, to Simon Peter, Simon the Rocky one, uh Simon the Stone. It affected Peter, and it really affects how he ministers to people. Now, granted, it didn't all happen at once, but listen to what he said here in 1 Peter chapter 2, starting in verse 1. Therefore, rid yourself of all malice and deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander, and like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation, if you have tasted the kindness of the Lord. And coming to him as to a living stone, which has been rejected by people, but is choice and precious in the sight of God. You also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices that are acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For this is contained in Scripture. Behold, I am laying in Zion a choice stone, a precious cornerstone, and the one who believes in him will not be put to shame. This precious value, then, is for you who believe, but for unbelievers, a stone which the builders rejected, this became the chief cornerstone, and a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense. For they stumbled because they are disobedient to the word, and to this they were also appointed. But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. For you were once not a people, but now you are the people of God, for you have not received mercy, but you have now received mercy. Beloved, I urge you as foreigners and strangers to abstain from fleshly lust, which wage war against the soul, keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles, so that the thing which they slander you as evildoers may because of your good deeds, as they observe them, glorify God on the day of visitation. As you can see in this passage in 1 Peter chapter 2, not that it happens immediately, not that there isn't some process to go through, because the process is part of it. Because we know from our last episode that as soon as Peter confesses Jesus and Jesus goes, You are Peter, you're not just Simon, the son of John, you're you're a foundational stone. The Bible says that the church is built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone. So Peter is foundational, but again, it's not instantaneous. He still has his moments in the garden, he still has his moments there in the courtyard, he still has his moments, even though he's the one preaching on the day of Pentecost, even though he's restored, he still gets corrected by Paul. He still has to give an account because he's the one that first preaches to the Gentiles.

unknown

Yeah.

Processed Into A New Identity

SPEAKER_00

Everybody everybody likes a nickname. Uh if you want to go that way. Um yeah, there's there's definitely um uh uh a name change. Uh I think that name change kind of uh indicates or or signifies uh or exemplifies this uh this this change in in who you are. Uh you know, this this transitioning from the old man to the new man, the old creature to the new creature. And even as a new creature, we know we still we still have those times where we where we stumble and fall, we slip, we mess up, uh and and all that stuff. And uh thank goodness that's what that's what grace is for uh to cover those. So we see uh Saul of Tarsus become Paul, which uh wasn't really a great uh prophetical name change as much as as it was uh him using his the the Greek name. Um but still the the idea and the way it transliterates into scripture, you see that there is a a change. Uh I think that's a very interesting way of showing us as readers uh that there's a change because we we can't physically see Paul. You know, we can't physically see uh Peter. Uh but but uh I think this is a very very interesting writing style, uh writing way uh to to show uh that change as well. I'm not saying that's what is you know the purpose of all that was for just to you know make it a pretty neat literary style, but it it it does come across that way too, though.

SPEAKER_02

Well, one of the things contrasting that Peter has his moments. I mean, Paul's foundational to the church as well. Paul has this instantaneous conversion, and then he has what a lot of people say will be 13 years after a couple episodes, he's getting to know the Lord over uh before he gets called, he's over in Tarsus and getting before he gets called up to Antioch. Peter's little bit by little bit as he's walking with the Lord, and something that really stood out was here you have the one that Jesus calls Peter, Petra, rocky, stony, you're your stone, that now he's teaching others how to be stones. He's the one talking about being a living stone, he's the one talking about a spiritual house. He has so been polished and shaped and fitted for this spiritual building, for for this heavenly temple uh that that Jesus is calling us all to be part of. But this has become his identity in a way, and this is really affecting how he's relating this concept to others. And you know, stones had to be worked, stones had to be shaped, stones had to be fitted together, had to be some mortar, you know, between the stones to get a building to stick. And you know, or el or else it gets really difficult. You you could do it a couple ways. You could have some rough stones that just naturally fit together. I just love the look. If I had any fetishes, it would be like log homes, man. I love them. They're just absolutely beautiful. But you look at uh the fireplaces, the stonework in the fireplaces, and those stones haven't really been adjusted that much, but they've been selected to see which fits together better. So you have you can have them be rude and natural, but yet certain combinations just don't work if you're doing that. The other option is what happens with Peter and what the Lord's doing with us a lot of times is through the process of what Peter had to go through, uh, there were there were edges, you know, that basically this thing was shaped into whatever shape it needed to be to make it like a big old brick, so to fit together with other stones, other foundational stones, uh to be really what when you set that cornerstone in a building, it determines the layout and the position of every other stone that you're gonna do. That that first cornerstone is by far the most important one that you're gonna lay because everything else is oriented according to that. So that's Jesus Christ Himself. But this whole idea, Peter is starting to relate these things as a as a stoneworker. You know, uh Paul said, I'm I'm building you up into a spiritual house. You know, so so this this concept of what the Lord speaks into you, it begins to shape you. And it doesn't happen instantaneously, but the the main point of what I was trying to bring out here is this affects your identity. However long it takes to get you there, it affects your identity and it will also affect how you relate to others and your discipling of others.

SPEAKER_00

There's an interesting contrast here. I just thought of or just kind of saw it because Jesus is definitely talking about um a stone that is uh fitted uh and and whatnot. But in the stones in the Old Testament, for the altars of the Old Testament, there was no shaping. Uh you selected, you were told to select stones and uh not to shape them. You're just told to stack them, uh which is which is interesting, I think. Uh maybe there's something uh deeper, a little bit more profound, uh in all that. Um but uh here we have a change, uh kind of kind of a shift uh in the paradigm where now we're taking those stones and we're we're we're shaping and and we're uh uh crafting them and and and molding them to fit each other and and and work with each other. Where uh if you look at the the way the altars and and and stuff was built at the old testament, that wasn't that wasn't the case.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Even in Daniel, I believe uh believe it's chapter seven, it might be one of the other ones, but where they have the idol with the the head of gold, the shoulder and torso of um silver, the loins of bronze, and then the uh the legs and feet of iron, and then the feet are iron and clay. But everybody universally believes that you know in Christianity that this is, and even the Jews believe that this is the Messiah, that it's just they're they're debating on who that is. But this is Jesus, he's an uncut stone that falls down and becomes a mountain that fills the whole earth and destroys this idolatry. So in there, he's definitely uncut. You know, one of the interesting things about um the temple, Solomon's temple, not so sure about when they remade it under Herod and you know all the renovations and when it was remade under um you know Nehemiah and during that time where the Nehemiah was basically in charge of the walls. But when Ezra was a scribe, and then you had um uh Jerubbabel? Jerubabel. Yeah, he's the head governor, he's the head prince, and then you had um uh Joshua, the high priest, at that time, and then then you got Haggai and Zechariah, they're all you know prophetic people, they're they're having the rebuilding. It doesn't really say if they're rebuilding from ruins, but it does say over in Kings and Chronicles that when they made the temple, that they didn't want the sound of metal tools anywhere near the temple. So they they cut them and shaped them in the quarry, but everything they did to get you know fit them together was was wood because it I I think any iron or metal utensil, bronze utensil, whatever they were using back then, would have been an implement of war. And this was not to be a uh warring temple. This was a place to find solace. You know, so so you have that combination of even though those stones were shaped, it it wasn't shaped right then and there, they they were shaped and then hauled from the quarry to the temple to be built. But but I think you're right. I think there is a there's a juxtaposition there somewhere.

Jesus The Craftsman For Common People

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. It's there. There's uh there's another interesting little tidbit in there too. We often call Jesus uh a carpenter. And the scriptures, I think scripture uses the word carpenter, but we often translate that word as as a woodworker. That he was a woodworker, but that's not necessarily how that would how that word translates. That word actually translates as tradesman or craftsman. Uh it's actually probably, and by the way Jesus talks and and in other parts of the New Testament area, it's more it's probably a little more accurate or a little more along the lines that he was a a stoneworker uh more than he was a woodcraftsman. Not to say, not to say they couldn't be a woodcraftman.

SPEAKER_02

He might have been in both disciplines.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, he he could have been a a general craftsman uh who was skilled in both who knows.

SPEAKER_02

I I remember reading an article, it was an opinion, it was a it was a theory that over in over in Nazareth there just weren't a lot of wooden houses.

unknown

Right.

SPEAKER_02

So it was more likely that he was a stoneworker, stonemason of some kind, uh, but any kind of trade. And you and you see here that you know a lot of who he calls is is middle class, working class, blue-collar people. Right. You know, he he talks about the poor, he has compassion on the poor, and he has some wealthy followers as well. Um, but you look at what is said, and there's all these inferences that the gospel is really appealing to working class people of the time, it's not appealing to the political elite, it's not even really appealing to the religious elite, and it's not appealing to the zealots. He's not radical enough for them. You know, so so you have all these factions that are there at the time, but it says after the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew's gospel, that the common people heard him gladly, and and that he spoke as one who had authority and not as the scribes or Pharisees. He wasn't trying to talk about stuff he didn't know, he he was he wasn't trying to talk over their head, but you basically have this working man's gospel, right? You know, for all those that want to preach this class and it's about the poor and it's about the or God wants to make you rich and all that. Really, if you look in the context of the gospel and you read it without an agenda, you go, This is this is Joe Blow. This is everyday Johnny Israel. You know, uh this is I mean that and in in Jenny Israel, you know, this is who he's appealing to.

SPEAKER_00

I think that's a good way to a good way to put it there. He was he was uh he'd been a man's man, you know. But uh yeah, he was uh definitely uh an ordinary everyday guy for the most part, I do believe.

Let God Fit You In Place

SPEAKER_02

That's all Work of Man's Blues by Merle Haggard. He started playing in my head as soon as I said that. Never end up on welfare in this one place I won't be. I keep on working. But yeah, you're talking about people that are doing the best they can. You're talking about um people that are not necessarily looking for a handout per se, but they're like, Lord, you know, we're doing what we can, government's corrupt. Uh a lot of the spiritual leadership isn't even spiritual leadership, it's become corrupt, it's become a governmental entity. And you know, Lord, what what's up? Because even what what's supposed to be spiritual has been compromised by the Romans. It was compromised by the Greeks before that. And even the ones that got us out of that, they were flawed, they they were flawed too. So, you know, so so there's this expectation there. And I just think that the process here, though, you know, as as living stones, I think the key thing is is we're not necessarily trying to shape ourselves, but we have to cooperate. You know, a lot of people say submit. That's applicable. But we just have to cooperate and let the Lord do the shaping. Yeah. I know one of the things that you and I both found is we had our idea of what we were supposed to look like, and so we tr started trying to shape ourselves in a certain way, and the Lord said, that ain't sort that that ain't where I'm putting you.

unknown

Right.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, the I go back to the the analogy we brought out uh an episode or two ago. Um about the puzzle and the puzzle box. Um it's not enough to to be gathered, it's not it's not enough to be just um a part of the puzzle and everything. Um you have to be uh fitly joined. Uh and that's that's what uh that's what the Holy Spirit does. Is um you know, he he molds you, he shapes you, and he he puts you together with with another piece. Um that's that really I think is uh another another part of that iron sharpens iron uh kind of thing that uh likes to get thrown around a lot is that the whole part of the iron sharpening iron is uh the the the shaping and and whatnot too. So but yeah, you you have to be you have to be moldable, you have to be uh pliable uh and whatnot, and have to be uh yielding so that the Holy Spirit can put you where He needs you to be. Um but you're right, it can be very easy to um to look to your left and your right and think that's what you need to be and start emulating and start uh copying and and uh start making carbon copies of everybody that you see around you. That's no good. That gets you in trouble real quick.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah. The other thing about shaping stones, there ain't nothing pleasant about that. No, it's gonna be that there are some saws that can cut through stone. The stone ain't ever gonna be the same. There, there's gonna be some chiseling. Uh there's probably, if they're doing it right for the right purpose, you're gonna have to have certain dimensions, so they're gonna measure it. And whatever's not within that design that you know that that they're wanting to be part of, that that's getting chipped off.

unknown

Right.

SPEAKER_02

That that's not a pleasant thing. And and even then, depending on how polished they want you to be, there's gonna be a lot of sand and you know, I'm saying this stuff figuratively, but you know, none of that is pleasant.

SPEAKER_00

Right, right. But when it's when it's finished and you're fitted together and put in a place you're supposed to be, and you step back and you look, what the Lord has built, and you see other stones that have been fitted and joined and placed where they're supposed to be. Uh if you're ever allowed to see the big picture, uh, because sometimes I think sometimes I think Jesus will only let you see the Mona Lisa to a straw, so to speak.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You know, uh, but if he ever lets you stand back and get a bigger glimpse of things, and it's it's a big deal. Yeah. And it's it can be life-changing. It helps you understand.

Nature Solitude And Community Fear

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah, I there's a lot of people. Why don't you just leave that stone alone? Why don't you just leave it alone? And don't get me wrong, I love my national parks. And there's something about them mountains just being left alone. But at the same time, you look at your great cathedrals, you know, probably the most famous one is uh either Notre Dame or, you know, you look at even St. Peter's Basilica and some of the things they did over the Vatican. Um beautiful churches. You look at some of these Byzantine churches, you know, they're they're made by stone, but if you leave the stone alone and it never gets shaped, if it never gets worked, it never becomes part of something greater than it was by itself. And that is the Lord's design. And as much as bones as you and I have that individual streak in us, oh, it's there uh still. You know, there's a there's a lot of people that, hey, can I talk to you for a minute? I was getting ready to go. Um, but the Dolores is no, that's what I called you to do. So you have them talks, you know, and isn't always convenient, but you're able to affect way more for the kingdom if you're if you're open to being used. Right.

SPEAKER_00

You know, although I love to be left alone. Well, I mean, it it's one thing to drive out through um the Rocky Mountains and and see uh uh the needles or uh or or the uh cathedrals, right? These different stone formations or just the mountains themselves and stuff like that, needles highway. It's one thing to see those, see them in their natural environment, see them in the splendor, and think, man, God really has put a beautiful landscape together here. And and and believe me, he has. Uh you can go outside and see that any day of the week that you want to. Um but there's also something to say when God takes those very same stones, the very same earth, like you said, and shapes it and forms it and puts it together for uh greater use. Because uh honestly, uh the needles highway, the cathedrals, uh those stone stone mountains, the Teton, Grand Tetons, all those things don't really do anything. They're beautiful. They're they're beautiful, but they're not really doing anything. Um but when when God takes something like that and transforms it and then puts it in into use uh into good use, uh well, I think that's that's a pretty good an analogy of what he does with us. Uh you know, left alone by ourselves as new as new creatures, as new creations, we're we're beautiful in our environment, uh the way we are. Uh but that shaping and transforming and then fit together with something else, that's when we become useful.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I can't believe that we just said that, man. I tell you what, I sure do like that. Number one, I like the Grand T Towns, I like the Rocky Mountains, I like all those, I like I like uh arches out there in Utah and all those things. And I also like being by myself and lonesome sometimes, too.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um sometimes the idea of God shaping and molding me and and fitting me together in into some sort of organization, I tell you what, gives me the heebie jeebies. Um, I get it. Yeah. I mean, I used to be a people purpose people person until people got in the way. But uh it gets like that sometimes.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah, it's it's definitely something his Lord has called me. Oh, I'll tell you, you know, you talk about the uncut stones versus the cut stones. I can tell you this, the the more that the Lord polishes me up and shapes me for his use and uses me to work together with other people, the more I appreciate the times I am able to go out and simply be among nature, among all those uncut stones, and be a little bit of an uncut stone myself during those times. I know it's I know it's temporary, I know it's you know it's a vacation, it might be for a week at the most, but man, is it appreciated.

Ministry Burdens And Healthy Cycles

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah, there's there's nothing easy about being a stone that's uh fitly joined together with something else. There's nothing easy about it. Um, there's nothing easy about being a good Christian in God's kingdom uh and and ministering and serving and and and doing all those things. There's nothing easy about it. Um if there were, everybody'd do it. Uh if we can put it like that. Um, and of course, I don't say all that to be discouraging or anything, but the truth is it's it's not easy. Uh, and it requires that relationship with Jesus. It requires the alone time with him and the Holy Spirit and all those things. Um it requires you to have that time so that you can refresh and refit uh and rebuild and go back out into the world amongst the people and and serve in whatever capacity has you doing it. And then you got to come back in and have that alone time. It's it's cyclic, it goes through these these uh these cycles, and you gotta be got to be cognizant of that, or else you'll spend all of your time out there ministering, afraid to step away from it because you'll feel like you're abandoning the the ministry for some reason. And man, it may be God Himself calling you back.

SPEAKER_02

So oh yeah, you know, the the stones when they're fitted together, part of the part of the function is to bear burden.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But if you have a solid foundation, because the foundation is going to bear the most burden, Jesus can stand up. There ain't no burden too great for him. He's already proved it. But if we have the proper foundation, and if we're properly fitted together, we're not bearing all of the burden ourselves. It becomes tolerable. And that's one of those things you were talking about. You know, uh you can get so involved in ministry that you feel like you're the only one that can do it. It's a wrong answer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yep. Yeah, that's a good time to take a step back and refit. Uh get some balance back in your life because it's a good sign you're out of balance.

Ask God Your New Name

SPEAKER_02

Yep. No, I I just like challenge everybody that's listening, you know, especially those of you that that have had God tell you something, whether it's through somebody or whether it's in your prayer time, and and maybe it's something you've written down, maybe forgot about it. Um, because sometimes that has to happen. But just kind of go back, look at it, and say, you know, what does the Lord call me to be? Uh what what does he call me by name? You know, I had an experience, I'm not gonna get into it because I'm still mulling it over. I even had an experience today where just in prayer, um had a little time to myself at work, kind of walking, and ain't nobody around. So praying, and the Lord just says something to me, and I'm just like, okay. Wonder what the process is for this.

unknown

Right.

SPEAKER_02

Crickets, you know, again, so if I get crickets, that that's letting me know that I would mess it up and try and take it into my own hands if I was uh doing that. But the fact that he spoke it, there there's a purpose behind it. And it might take a week, it might take, like what would happen with Wofoyo, uh, about 15 years or more. Trust that that God is faithful to his promises. But don't be afraid to let, even when it looks like nothing's happening, uh, don't be afraid to use, and again, use some discretion when you're doing this. Let what he said become part of your identity. He might have to strip it down because that's what happened with us. We knew we thought we had our definition of what he said, but what he called us to be, we're we're starting to step into that now, but it's looking way different than what we thought it would, you know, 23, 24 years ago. Right, right.

SPEAKER_00

The idea of of anybody, just anybody being able to um have their own well radio show for the most part, you know. Uh the idea of anybody just being able to speak freely across the internet, like we're doing, was not was not a big was never that was not a thing, you know, 20, 25 years ago. Uh podcasting was not a b a thing back then. It was it was I don't even I don't even think we was I don't even know if it was getting getting started uh 20, 25 years ago.

SPEAKER_02

You really didn't s see that happen until about uh right around the time that the um iPod yeah came out about the first time I started noticing. Oh, they got something called podcasts. What are those?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and and even then it was uh it was kind of iffy. I don't know. Do I like this? Uh I don't know if I like it, you know. Maybe it'll take off, maybe it won't.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um, so yeah, God can speak something into your life, and you may have absolutely no idea what it is, but that'll make it unreal. Yeah, yeah, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_02

If you will let it. Sometimes whether you let it or not, but he'll get that resistance, he'll get past that. But eventually it's going to become part of your identity, just like it did with Peter with this. Yeah. Just like it did with Paul.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Don't be afraid to ask God, what's my new name? Uh, where you where you got me headed? What am I supposed to be doing? And uh sit back and listen. Be prepared to write. You might need to write it down. Uh, because uh you you'll forget it. You'll forget it. Uh if you don't forget it next week, you'll forget it next year for sure. So ask him, Lord, what's my name? Might be interesting.

SPEAKER_01

Who I is.

SPEAKER_02

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