Revelation 1 Symbolism (Without the Red Yarn and Thumb Tacks)

Revelation has a reputation: confusing symbols, endless timelines, and a cloud of dread. We go the opposite direction and start where the book starts, with a simple claim that re-centers everything: this is the revelation of Jesus Christ. Once you read Revelation chapter 1 through that lens, the strange images stop being random, and they start functioning like signposts that point to who Jesus is and what He’s doing.

We walk slowly through John’s opening lines, his exile on Patmos, and the blessing attached to reading, hearing, and keeping the words of this prophecy. Along the way we model a practical Bible study approach that keeps you grounded when the imagery gets intense: let scripture interpret scripture. Revelation itself explains key symbols like the seven stars and seven lampstands, and we connect John’s vision of Christ to the matching language in Daniel 10 to show how biblical symbolism is often built from earlier passages.

Then we bring it down to street level. If Jesus has already made us a kingdom of priests, why do we live like we’re trying to earn what we’ve already been given? We talk candidly about “kingdom of God” language, why it can feel foreign in parts of the Western church, and how praying in the name of Jesus is more than a phrase, it’s an authority claim. We also touch the Alpha and Omega theme, the trumpet voice as a shofar-style announcement, and what it means that Jesus holds the keys of death and Hades.

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SPEAKER_03 0:00

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SPEAKER_02 6:08

A couple notes here. That's a number of perfection. Also, um said he's a witness, he's the firstborn from the dead, he's the ruler, he's the ruler of the kings of the earth.

SPEAKER_03 6:36

And you're gonna see this relayed in every church he addresses. They're gonna have some aspect of these things that are here from verse four through eight. And if you don't believe me, when we get into it, you'll see it. Verse 5 from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. That's identical to him who loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood. You know, we did an episode several years ago talking about the Last Supper and what he does in washing the disciples' feet.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

So John in the New King saying he has washed us from our sins by his own blood.

SPEAKER_03 7:36

And one of the things that we were talking about is when Jesus girds a towel around his loins and he washes the disciples' feet at the last supper, he says, Do you know what I've done to you?

SPEAKER_02 7:53

And they're like, No.

SPEAKER_03 7:56

Peter was like, I says, You ain't gotta wash my feet, and you know, he had this argument, he said, Well, wash all of me. Nope, just your feet's necessary. Well, who washed their feet? It was the priest. Jesus was preparing them for priesthood. And John kind of confirms this here: washed us from our sins in his own blood, and has made us kings and priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever.

SPEAKER_00 8:28

Yeah, John is John is also laying out who is giving him this revelation. Uh, he's letting us know that, hey, this is not my own revelation. This is not me coming up with this stuff. This is a message coming from God the Father through the Son by the Holy Spirit to me.

SPEAKER_04 8:53

Yeah.

Seven Churches And How To Decode

SPEAKER_00 8:54

And then on to you. Uh, he's laying all of that out here. And it's important that it's laid out for us like that, so that we know and understand. Um, now, as believers, I think we automatically assume that when John speaks here in the scriptures, it's it's it's inspired by the Holy Spirit. However, the book of Revelation um is a book of unveiling. It's a book of laying some things out and revealing some things. And it's believed that John is on the Isle of Patmos, and he's having to kind of write this this book or this this uh scroll here, and it's encoded in such a way that it can get out of the Isle of Patmos, past the Roman security, and not be discovered. Yes. Uh, you know, so he's he's writing it in such a way that uh secular people would read this and go, ah, this is a bunch of gibberish. Um so anyway, it's important that we know and understand that uh this is not John's revelation, this is um coming from the Father, by the Son, through the Holy Spirit. Um and we look back at the seven churches, which at this point in time when this is written, is our seven churches in Asia Minor. They were seven literal churches that he's writing to, but there's also there's also some prophetic or spiritual um premise in this as well. Um he was writing to seven churches that literally existed in Asia Minor, but it's also believed that he's speaking prophetically to seven church ages or or or um yeah, church ages that are governed by a seven spirits. Uh and maybe we'll get into that a little bit deeper too.

SPEAKER_03 10:59

And and yeah, you you're gonna hear several people say that is just a thing that I wholeheartedly disagree with upon further reading. I think they're close, but but I I don't think that's upon further review, but I will say this, in my opinion, and this is why we do this, so we can have these discussions. Um I think it's uh indicative of seven types of churches. Because I can find all of these, all the characteristics. When we start getting into the admonishments, the encouragements, the repent, and if you overcome, there there's for like five of the seven churches are getting a repent. Here's some stuff you really need to fix. Um I'll agree with that. Two of them are not.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Right. I'll agree with that. Um I do see seven church ages. Okay. Um, but I do I admit I have to I have to pull back and and look at it from a distance. Um if I look at it too closely and try to over-define it or look or or try to find a specific church, I um I lose it. Yeah, so I just do have to pull back and and look at it in big picture a little bit, but I also see seven you know church uh stages or what you're saying as well.

SPEAKER_03 12:28

So yeah, I well what I see is uh I remember the first person that ever uh put that out was a dude from Carroll named Bob Satterfield Sold Insurance. And um I I remember me and Bob always didn't see eye to eye, you know. Uh but don't get me wrong, I love him as a brother, you know, in Christ, but we disagree, but well, this is this, yeah, you know, though this is the Catholic Church right here, and this this represented the reformation, you know. This represent but I'm like, so does it represent all Catholics today? Crickets. You get what I'm saying? Because it it's like you said, when we start to overdefine now, now all of a sudden them things don't hold water.

SPEAKER_00 13:14

But but that's to say that the same can be said when we characterize Baptists. Not everything can be said about every Baptist. Yeah, we're talking about we're talking about an age or or a which is a generalization, if you will. And some of these things also they they overlap each other. There's some overlapping as well. So you'll see as we go through this. Um but we do use the scripture to to interpret scripture. When we talk about uh the seven spirits uh which are before his name, as we continue to read, um, we don't have to guess what these seven spirits are, um, because the scripture is going to tell us exactly who they are. Um but a lot of people when we read the book of Revelation, they get into the first chapter or two and they just they get so overwhelmed with all of this, and they go, I don't know, I don't know any of this. Well, if you just keep reading, uh just keep reading it, it it explains everybody.

SPEAKER_03 14:11

So keep reading, and and I I would also say this Revelation is one of those books I read through and I go, Oh man, oh man, oh man. Yeah, one of the things is I started to slow down, which I haven't done in a while in this book. And especially as much of it is spoon-fed to us by people that are trying to give their interpretation of it. Um the the symbolism here is rich. You know, I sat down and started doing just uh not necessarily the pink yarn or a diagram or anything, but just writing notes. This means this here, this means this here, and some of the symbols are some things like angels, uh the Holy Spirit, uh, Jesus Christ. We'll have more than one representation in this book. Yes, it's not limited to one symbol equals this. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna equal that throughout the book, but it's not limited to that one thing representing Jesus, representing the churches, representing the angels, is not limited to that.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

So we're gonna find out too that some of these prophecies that we're looking at, some have dual fulfillment or multiple fulfillment as we get through here. This was uh this was the first book of the Bible that I studied when I got saved. It was the first one that I studied, and not because I wanted to, it was the first one that God led me to. And uh to me it made sense, and it probably made sense because I didn't have a lot of junk uh from Sunday school in my head. Uh, but uh this is probably one of my favorite books of the Bible to study and to teach on, because it's really it's really not difficult to understand if you let scripture explain scripture. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:13

So so cut a couple other things in here. Uh verse 8, Alpha and Omega, beginning and the end. Says the Lord who was, who is, who was, and is to come. So uh as I said in one of my more recent shorts here, uh, this is all three tenses. There you go, Mrs. Moore, Mrs. Keith Fauver.

Kings And Priests Kingdom Identity

SPEAKER_00 16:34

Uh John, yeah. John loves referring to uh the Trinity in this way. He loves speaking uh to about him who was, is, and is to come. If you go back and read all his letters, so that's that's confirmation that we're talking about the right John here.

SPEAKER_03 16:52

Yes. Um one of the grace to you, this is verse four. Grace to you and peace from him who is, who was, who is to come. All right. So both those things, it's uh present, past, future tense. But one of the things that kind of got me started on studying this is to him who has loved us and washed us from our sins by his blood. That's verse five, verse six, and has made us kings and priests to his God and father. And everybody said, Well, revelations in the future, revelations in the future, these are things. Now it says right here, he talks about what's going to happen in the future. He talks about things that will shortly come, but then he says that Jesus has made us kings and priests or a kingdom priest to his God and father, whichever translation it means the same thing. We have kingly and priestly duties. So, so here was kind of the gist of the short was why are we trying to earn something that's already ours? Why are we trying to earn a grace that's already ours? Why, you know, we have an identity crisis of who we are. And since we don't know that we already are kings and priests, we don't endeavor um to act like what we are.

SPEAKER_02 18:17

Had a conversation about this last night.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

Um and a lot of this stems from uh and I and I kind of got some odd looks when I said this, but a lot of this stems from the fact that the American Western church does not really does not really enjoy kingdom concept.

SPEAKER_01 18:39

No.

SPEAKER_00 18:40

Uh they they just we just dislike it. We don't teach it, uh, we don't preach it, we don't walk in it. And someone asked me, Well, what do you mean? I said, Go to just about any church on Sunday morning and you'll hear church promoted, you'll hear church growth, you'll hear all about church, and you hear hear all about America and and everything else, but you just won't hear anything being promoted about kingdom. You won't hear kingdom concepts. And I think some of that might have to do with the spirit of America. Um, we rebelled against the king uh in some way. I mean that uh that's in our it's in our DNA, so to speak. But um the American Western Church does not like kingdom concept for some reason. There that's not to say that there are no churches out there that are that are preaching kingdom, because there are.

SPEAKER_03 19:33

Yeah, Miles Monroe is just one of the best.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

Yeah, yeah. And if you wanna, if you want to know if your church that you go to is teaching and preaching kingdom concept, uh pay attention to how much they talk about being kings and priests. Uh, you being a king and priest in your home, uh being king and priest uh wherever you go, talk about how Jesus has made us king and priests, um language like that. If your church is not using that kind of language, they're not focused on kingdom concept. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:06

Well, here's a stupid thing about it, too. We will teach to pray in the name of Jesus. Well, what what do you think you're doing? When when you pray in the name of Jesus, you're invoking the name of the king.

SPEAKER_04 20:19

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:21

You're this this is what would happen in medieval times. They would assail the city, and even before that, open in the name of the king. You know, I bear news in the name of the king. You're an emissary. So we're ministering unto God, we're ministering unto people as priests, but we're also executing uh kingdom law, um, kingdom order, right?

SPEAKER_02 20:48

Um the the structure, the heart, the culture of the kingdom. Right.

SPEAKER_03 21:00

And this is what Jesus is talking about. The kingdom of God, kingdom of heaven, is like a small amount of meal, small amount of leaven that lady puts in a meal. And once it's worked its way through, it's gonna leaven the whole lump. Right. The whole ball of dough is gonna be gonna be affected. And that's what kingdom is.

SPEAKER_00 21:22

But once again, here we are in America, and we this is the church that we know. Um, we just we don't really know much different. That's what it's the model that we've been presented. However, we can't be held, uh we can't we can't claim ignorance because we have the scripture in front of us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:41

Uh well one of the things else that in my notes had just put down was you know, this whole thing about is, was, is to come, alpha and omega, there's there's a couple things here.

SPEAKER_02 21:54

He he's existing outside of time and space. Or permeating time and space.

SPEAKER_03 22:04

So he's not limited. Our perception is limited. But he's not limited by time. God is God. And if you really want to go back to this, think about what he told Moses. Think about what Jesus said when they came for him. I believe in John's gospel, said, uh, are you Jesus? If you really read it, some will say, I am he. The literal translation is I am. What does what does say when Moses? Oh, uh, who should I tell him sent me?

SPEAKER_02 22:37

I am that I am. So here's the thing. No matter what point in time God is, always existent.

Alpha And Omega Outside Time

SPEAKER_03 22:50

Even read a another commentary. A guy was going, when you contemplate the meaning of I am, it means also there's no reason for God. It said, because if there was a reason, then the reason would be greater than God. Therefore, I am. I'm not here to answer to you. I'm not here to give you a reason for what I do, what I do. Right. I am. I am the cause. But also this Alpha and Omega concept is what a lot of people don't realize is when you read the Genesis account, in the beginning, God created heaven and earth. When he goes, let there be, that that begins the creation. Let there be light. So boom, there it is. It says that in John chapter 1, that in the beginning was the word. So let there be that word spoken. What a lot of people don't realize when I read the book several years ago on sacred architecture, which you talk about deep dive, that's a deep dive. But all of the sacred architecture had this idea of expansion and contraction to where God created, and then at the appointed time, he draws things back to him. So this whole Alpha and Omega concept is right in line with that, but it's built into the architecture of our churches. The old churches. It was built into the architecture of the Jewish temple. It was even built into the architecture of some of the older monuments pre-Judaism. I know that might ruffle some feathers. But this idea of creation is expanding and then eventually contracting. You know, now, if you really want to go off the deep end, we uh, you know, like you brought, how do you know the earth wasn't recreated? How do you know this hasn't happened before? Not with Jesus Christ necessarily, but this that this is a recreation that we're living in. Not saying it is, not saying it ain't, but it's something to think about.

SPEAKER_00 25:22

The evidence is there. Yeah. Um the evidence is there. Uh and you have to you have to do your own study. Um, because if you if you listen to us or if you listen to somebody else, uh probably whoever gets to you first is what is the way you're gonna go. Um so you got to do your own study. Because I'll contend that when you said let there be light, I'll contend that that Hebrew word for let is not a word that means to create out of non-existent. It's a word that means to allow. So that means that the light was already there.

SPEAKER_03 25:57

Yeah. And really translated would be light be. So we already know the light existed in the mind of God before God speaks it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:06

So the there's evidence there, you just and what it comes down to is it don't amount to hella beans when it comes to your salvation. Um, but what we find out is that there are so many things that are taught as doctrinal facts and truths that maybe maybe not as factually true as as we think. Because there's I still think there's a lot of things in scripture that that we that don't mean exactly what we think they mean yet. Because we we see in part and we know in part.

SPEAKER_03 26:44

Princess Bride, you keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. Inconceivable. There's a lot of that going on. Oh, yeah. Uh let's continue. Revelation chapter 1, verse 9. I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and the for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice as of a trumpet, saying, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, and what you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia to Ephesus, Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

One thing about this, he's on the Lord's day, he's in the spirit. The trumpet would be a shofar, be a Jewish shofar.

SPEAKER_03 27:51

And here, here, here's the deal. If you go into a synagogue, if you were to go back in temple times, tabernacle times, when we know by commandment that God is commanding Moses to have shofars made, there were certain sounds that had certain meanings. But when you heard the shofar, there's a command getting issued. Uh it's a proclamation, something's about to change, is the way I would say it.

SPEAKER_02 28:28

When you hear the voice of a trumpet, when you hear the voice of the shofar, pay attention.

SPEAKER_03 28:36

You know, even in uh even in the military, they got bugle calls. Right. Each one of the bugle calls has a different meaning. It doesn't say which one of this is, but this is a Jewish bugle call, so to speak. So it means listen up. Something's about to shift, something's about to change.

SPEAKER_00 28:59

And then he gives them directions to write to these churches. Um I was just gonna add in Exodus chapter 19, 16 through 19, uh, we see that uh Moses is about to receive the law, and on the morning of the third day there was a thunder and a lightning with a thick cloud over the mountain and a very loud trumpet blast. Yep. Everyone in the camp trembled. Um, so we can see here from scripture that the trumpet is often associated with uh the opening of the law, uh, you know, opening of God's word. The word was present when the word was presented. Right, exactly. So it's it's it's the announcement saying, Hey, get ready, here we go, pay attention. Yeah.

Trumpet Voice And Patmos Commission

SPEAKER_03 29:50

Verse 12. Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me, and having turned, I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the seven lampstands, one like the Son of Man clothed with a garment down to the feet, and girded about the chest with a golden band. His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes like a flame of fire. We're getting really symbolic here. His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and his voice as the sound of many waters. If you ever hear it, you'll never unhear it. That's exactly what it sounds like. Yeah, but not not a trickle of a stream. You're talking waterfall, uh, intense waterfall. 16. He had in his right hand seven stars. Out of his mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and his countenance was like the sun shining in its strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, Do not be afraid, I am the first and the last. I am he who lives and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. I have the keys of Hades and death. Ride the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this. The mystery of the he's starting to interpret it right here. The mystery of the seven stars, which you saw in my right hand, and the seven golden lampstands, the seven stars, are the angels of the seven churches. So star represents angel here, and the seven lampstands, which you saw, are the seven churches. This is all going to come up here in the next few chapters, and we probably won't get to them this episode.

SPEAKER_00 31:48

But I want to go back to the description of Jesus here, description of Christ. Well, yeah. Um, because we can go back to the book of Daniel, and once again, scripture interpret scripture. Book of Daniel, uh, chapter 10. I'll start at verse 4. It says, On the 24th day of the first month, as I was standing on the bank of the great river, the Tigris, I looked up, and there before me was a man dressed in linen with a belt of fine gold from Uphaz around his waist, his body was like topaz, his face like lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and his voice like the sound of a multitude. Man, is that not the same description? Here we are. So with this, it's it's not difficult to come to the conclusion that this is this is this is the Christ. This is this is Jesus that that John has sent. That means that that's Jesus that Daniel saw uh from way back when. But it's it's in a it's almost like in a different context. Because normally we we think of a 33-year-old Jesus. Uh we don't think of a Jesus um as as as as a father, you know, old, you know, with with with the white hair and and stuff like that. Um although we should because he is the embodiment of the Godhead.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

But well, one of the th other things that came to mind on this is even if it's not age, his head and hair were white like wool.

SPEAKER_03 33:36

Okay, white as snow. Well, that's purity, number one. Right. And his eyes like a flame of fire. Okay. Um, again, same description as Daniel. But but here's here's the deal. When I saw the negative of the shroud of Turin, I go, what if he's shining so bright? Yeah, that this is like what he is compared to the light emanating from him, is making him appear almost like a negative.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

Negative, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:08

You know, it's good point. Who knows? Who knows? But white is purity. His eyes like a flame of fire. I mean, you could almost say, almost like a laser beam, they're penetrating, man. His feet were like fine brass, as refined in a furnace. Made me think of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Yeah. Uh, you know, that gold around his waist or around his chest. Uh man, that not only is gold representative of God, but it's also the material of kings.

SPEAKER_02 34:45

So here he is, a king and God.

SPEAKER_03 34:50

Uh both again, wearing a lot of white because he's been purified, uh, he's been declared righteous, his feet were like fine brass, is refined in a furnace. So, what's that? Brass is judgment.

unknown 35:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:05

So he's brass he's fit to judge. Brass can take on a couple meanings. Judgment is one of them. Humanity is another uh symbolic meaning of brass or bronze. Uh, just like with gold, divinity is is another uh symbol of gold. Divinity and kingdom.

SPEAKER_03 35:26

Well, yeah, divinity and kingdom. Well, the thing about the the brass of what you just said here is because of his humanity, he is fit to judge. Right.

SPEAKER_00 35:36

Um they they all fit. Uh they all they all gel. Um when we consider who Jesus is, uh how he appeared in the flesh, why he did so, and what he uh what he did um as as the messiah. So yeah, it all it all lines up. Yep.

Daniel Parallels The Risen Christ

SPEAKER_03 35:56

His voice is the sound of many waters. Again, I would I would argue and only read, and this is you got to get in the word for yourself on this. Don't take C Dub's word for it, but I would argue from experience, that's why you you don't just go off C Dub's experience. But having one of the profound dreams I had in which saw some things. You take the sound of a rocket engine, you take the sound of a waterfall, you take the sound of a jet. When they talk that this this sound of many waters is I would argue that that's just as one who's heard it in a dream, that it's the same sound at the day of Pentecost. It's a rushing wind, it's a violent. Because you're creating here. Yeah. Uh and he's doing that by the spirit. You know, when he's doing that, you can't have a you can't have the word without the breath. Right. The the ruach, the wind. And in his even Holy Ghost, um ghost was an English thing that developed over time for gust. Yeah, yeah. He had in his right hand seven stars.

SPEAKER_02 37:13

So these seven stars, he's already said, are seven angels. Interesting enough, if you want to even get more just out there. Um in the ancient world, they thought there were seven planets.

SPEAKER_03 37:32

And because there were seven planets, that's kind of one of the reasons that a lot of different cultures thought the number seven was divine. Uh, out of his mouth went a sharp two-edged sword. We know from this, uh, said the word of God is a sharp two-edged sword, it divides asunder the the soul and the spirit like the dividing of a bone from the marrow.

SPEAKER_02 37:59

So this is something that judges, and when it does, I don't know how to properly describe it.

SPEAKER_03 38:08

It it cuts you, but it helps separate your spirit from your soul. It it it kind of perfects you so that one's not running the other, so that the souls it helps you to differentiate from the two. Yeah, it it separates better way of saying it.

SPEAKER_00 38:26

Yeah, it separates the two so that you can tell the two apart. Um, without that separation, the two will blend together, and you won't know, you won't be able to tell um who's zooming who for the most part. Um, because uh the the works and deeds of the soullish man are very, very close to the to the spiritual man. Yeah, um, it's it's dangerous, it really is.

SPEAKER_03 38:52

Yeah. And and his countenance was like the sun shining in its strength. Again, that's what makes me wonder. Was this a negative? Uh, was listening to a podcast, and the the thing is that what it is, it's it's a relic. Um, it's debated, I understand that. But when the guy um that was listened to recently was talking about Shroud of Turing, how it had to have some kind of how thin the layer of radiation was, he said, there are all these people arguing that you could do like a keyhole camera or a pinhole camera and all that. He said, No. This was some kind of intense radiation that was so quick that it didn't burn the fabric, which it would have. But I got to thinking about this. When I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. This makes me wonder if during that moment, if the shroud is authentic, um, would this been what he looked like during that moment to leave that imprint to a degree?

SPEAKER_01 39:50

Just a thought. We equate this statement here.

SPEAKER_00 39:54

Um, I fell uh I fell at his feet as dead. Um, some folks will equate this as being slain in the spirit, um, being overpowered by the spirit and and and falling. Um I I will say the scripture doesn't necessarily say that, but I I I get it. I understand what people are trying to imply.

SPEAKER_04 40:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:20

Um the truth is we don't really have the truth is what we see here is that um to be in his presence is so overpowering that that you you can't stand. It's it will overpower the flesh and and bring bring you to your knees.

Keys Of Death Authority And Wrap

SPEAKER_03 40:38

Well, I'll I'll just say that like um there's been a handful of dreams, not even a handful, but there's been two really profound dreams that I always go back to early on, and one of them I saw the Lord, I was in the throne room, but I wasn't standing. I saw feet. Yeah, I saw feet with holes. And no, that there was there was no argument, there was no what when he said what I did right, it's yes Lord. When he said what I did wrong and what I need to fix, it was yes Lord. There the it was the most authority I've ever felt. And not and not um not he's Lord, but he wasn't lording it over. He was like, This is this. Right. It was loving, but there was no you don't see it my way.

SPEAKER_02 41:39

Right. Because his way is the way. Yeah.

unknown 41:43

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 41:45

He laid his right hand on me, saying, Do not be afraid. Here's the thing, he has these seven spirits, these seven angels, in his right hand, which he lays on John.

SPEAKER_02 41:56

So he's imparting power to him.

SPEAKER_00 42:02

A lot of people don't think about it. I think I think this is where we come up with the notion that these are that these seven angels, of course, the the word there, the the translated word is messengers. Uh uh, but these are seven messengers or seven spirits, these are these are seven governors of uh of churches, which could be church, also church ages, uh church phases. Uh but this is obviously something in the spiritual realm. This is power and authority in a spiritual realm that is being laid upon him for a moment uh to show him.

SPEAKER_03 42:44

I also think here, as we he says he's going to show the things which must shortly take place. He says he has the keys of Hades and death. And one of the things that I have authority. So when we talk about the Peter said he preached to the spirits in prison, yeah, and it also lets you know he snatched the keys. Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_02 43:09

I have this authority now. You don't.

SPEAKER_03 43:14

So that that gives things a whole different mindset in our idea of who's who in the zoo. You know, everybody's afraid of the devil, and not to say to treat such things lightly, be aware, but don't be afraid.

unknown 43:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:31

Because the one who has the authority has the keys, and guess where he took them from.

SPEAKER_00 43:36

Well, Isaiah 22 22 speaks so and says, I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David, and what he opens, no one can shut, and what he shuts, no one can open, so that we we know that he possesses keys.

SPEAKER_03 43:50

And that's going to come up here in the in the either chapter two or chapter three, because he says that very quote right there to one of the churches. Oh yeah. So he has the keys to the kingdom. He also has the keys of means he has authority over hell and death. Well, one of the other interesting things in here, you know, we think about the messengers, but we also think about the lamps. Well, the the candles, and these are not menorahs, but they form a menorah. Yeah. And yet he's in the midst of it. And we talk about the seven spirits of God, but who is in the midst of the seven spirits of God? It's Jesus Christ. The symbols are interesting, and you're going to find as we get into chapters two and three that this is right here. He's giving you a key to what these things mean.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

Right.

unknown 44:48

Right.

SPEAKER_02 44:49

All in chapter one.

SPEAKER_01 44:52

All you gotta do is read it. Read it slowly.

SPEAKER_03 44:55

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