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Stay Dangerous
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If you’ve ever looked up and thought, “Is this all I’m good for now?”, this conversation is for you. We start with a raw, honest “shooting the bull” talk about what happens when believers lose a sense of mission and start clinging to routine instead of calling.
We walk through Elijah’s post-miracle cave season and how God doesn’t just comfort him, He recommissions him. Along the way, we unpack why seasoned Christians can slip into cynicism, how churches can unintentionally reward comfort over courage, and why “staying dangerous” isn’t about ego, it’s about spiritual purpose. We also use a simple metaphor of gravity and lift to describe law and grace: the weight never disappears, but grace empowers real movement when we stay connected to Jesus.
From Elisha leaving a life of comfort to the hard lesson that “the process isn’t done,” we challenge newer leaders not to confuse early fruit with final maturity. David’s story drives it home: every new level reveals new blind spots, and success can introduce fresh temptation. We end with a call to spiritual reproduction, raising kids to seek the Lord for themselves, and choosing relationship over tradition when tradition blocks truth.
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Elijah’s Taxi Service Cold Open
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Shooting The Bull Setup
SPEAKER_02now and then we do a little shooting the bull session. That's what we're going to be doing this episode. So, Bones, you got anything the Lord's been putting on you? Anything you want to talk about necessarily?
SPEAKER_00No, not nothing I've been uh listening to anyway. Um, I'm sure he's always talking. Just half the time I probably ain't listening.
SPEAKER_02Well, I get that. I'm just in a section. If I keep talking about what I've been reading lately, then it's going to get awful redundant because I was reading those sections that we talk about all the time.
Elijah’s Cave And Seasoned Believers
SPEAKER_02I just got through reading about um Elijah and the prophets of Baal and him going into the cave and getting reacquainted. There was one interesting thing that happened, though. You know, uh we and we've talked about this several times. You know, he goes into the cave, mighty miracles. All the show, all the, I mean, Lord done shown himself strong. Episode or two ago, we were talking about, or I was talking about, because that's the one where you were on vacation. I was talking about some of this younger crew that's coming up. You know, we we need to make sure that as more seasoned believers, we're not being the old prophet. Yeah. Sabotaging the younger prophet because we've been we've been the younger guy. We've been the younger prophet or the younger man of God who's been on the mission. He's trying to be faithful only to have uh people that were more seasoned try and hijack it, saying this is the right way to do it, wanting to be part of it. And you know what? There's times where more seasoned people were part. Matter of fact, they were the ones discipling us. We didn't know it at the time. Uh the ones that we're going to disciple you uh was about as full of crap as could be. Uh, they wanted to be part of something. Uh this is probably a bad term to use, but I want to use it anyway. I think there's an element of spiritual impotence that a lot of folks have um when they feel like they're no longer part of something. Uh it's the cranky old man that's, and I'm getting stereotypical here. I'm not saying this about any one person, but you know, you have this stereotype of the the cranky old man uh yelling at the kids to get off his lawn, and the only reason he cares about that lawn is because he can't harass mama no more. You know, thing thing things don't work like they used to. Because 20 years ago, it was like, well, that lawn could wait, baby. Now the only thing he can pour himself into is that stupid lawn. I think if we're not careful, we can reach a point. Um, it takes you by surprise. If we keep getting caught in the same old routine, if we keep thinking that God's gonna do it this way, or um, or it has to be along a certain set of protocols, and not that it all you have to do is look at creation. You can see that God has um in order to the universe, he's created things by design, therefore there are laws, there are parameters. So it's not without laws and parameters uh when we're walking according to the will of God, but a lot of times it's a lot broader.
Law And Grace Through Flight
SPEAKER_02And what we what we don't know is that uh I I heard uh heard a minister give this message, he said some laws are more powerful than others. If the right situation is in effect, and he's uh the dude had flown a plane, and he goes, the law of gravity is gonna keep everything on the ground, uh that that's that's not lighter than air. He said, uh the law of gravity is you get in an airplane, it's gonna stay on the ground. However, if you get it going fast enough with the proper aerodynamics and you know what you're doing, there's a law called lift. And therefore, speed and lift will be greater than the law of gravity. And this is kind of like law and grace to me, because the the law is always in effect. Uh, grace doesn't negate the law, grace enables you to be empowered to work and really you're flying. Now, if you ever start stepping out of grace, man, that law is kicking right back in. And you know, there's hopefully you land softly. Because if that engine stops working in that plane, bad things can happen.
SPEAKER_01I was
Growing Old And Losing Purpose
SPEAKER_01just looking up some stuff. Um in the movie Act of Valor.
SPEAKER_00Um about a Navy SEAL and and whatnot. I believe uh a lead character there was uh Lieutenant Engels. In the beginning, um this guy is narrating, he's narrating a letter to his son. He's reading a letter to his son. We would learn at the end of the movie this letter is to be delivered uh to his son because he because he died. Anyway, he he's he's writing a letter to his son, and it includes this poem uh or from Tecumseh. But in the beginning of the letter, uh I think kind of leads or lends some credence to what we're talking about here. It says uh before my father died, he said the worst thing about growing old was that other men stopped seeing you as dangerous. How being dangerous was sacred and a badge of honor. I think we I think there's some of that that goes on um in all of us, not just warriors, but for men in general. Um and I think what he's referring there is uh we start to lose our sense of purpose.
SPEAKER_02And once we that's a good way of putting it right there.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, once we start to sense that our that our purpose is gone, um, we become very, very, very, very restless. Um, I think a better way to put it is we we no longer have peace. Um and as you were talking a while ago about you know, uh the old man on the porch and uh, you know, and kind of referencing uh Grant Torino and Clint Eastwood there a little bit, maybe. Uh, you know, get off my lawn, you know, things of that sort.
SPEAKER_02Um I think well he was a bad dude, though.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he was a bad dude. Um I think some of that some of that kind of uh spills over uh in into ministry as well as we get older. Um bouncing from one ministry uh to the next, and and we see the younger generation stepping up and coming into their own. Uh it can be very, very easy to come to a point where we no longer feel that we have a purpose. Uh we've been in a ministry 30, 40 years, um things are changing. God's not changed, the Bible's not changing, things of that, but um society's changing, everything, the world around us is changing and everything. And that can cause um that sense of of loss of purpose in some of us. And if we're not um we're not careful, um that we will start to lose peace. And the only place we find peace uh truly is is in the Lord. Um so we have to find we have to find purpose in the Lord. Um to keep from being that old crotchety man, uh, that old prophet uh who's deceiving the young prophet, sending him out on those on those bogus errands and stuff like that, in order to keep from doing that. Um, it's very important to stay grounded and rooted in God's word, not just in his word alone, because God's word alone won't save you. Uh, you have to have the relationship along with it. Um, so you have to stay rooted in that relationship with Jesus and and listen to and hear his voice constantly, or else you'll you'll drift, you'll drift around uh and and feel lost and without purpose. So anyway, as he was looking at, as he was saying all those things, I was looking that up and said, man, that the beginning of the act of valor that tenant Engels talks about no longer being dangerous. That's a bad place to be.
SPEAKER_02One of the
God Recommissions Elijah With A Mission
SPEAKER_02things I like about it with the Elijah narrative is there's a remedy to that. Right. Um, he he has to get recharged. Uh and I I've heard people have all kind of theories about this and that, and I go, well, it could be right, but it the Bible does not definitively say. But he gets a commission. Uh once he experiences those three previous moves of God, because you had the mighty wind, the mighty wind, you know. Well, that's what part of the Red Sea. You had the fire, and that was that's what happened when you had uh Nadab and Abiro uh offered the strange fire. Did that, and then you had the rebellion of Korra. That was the earthquake that came about and swallowed Korra, and then then the other uh that was Nathan and Abiram. And I might have got the names mixed up, but you had three previous moves of God. You know, you you you're recognizing that what was working is not what God's doing now, what was working before. And so you get reacquainted, but then the Lord gives them a mission. Here's your new mission, and the mission is to anoint and appoint. Yeah. And there's a king of Syria that he's gonna anoint, which he actually never does. Uh he's supposed to anoint the new king of uh let's see, yeah, king of Syria. He's the the king of Israel, the new king of Israel, and then he's supposed to anoint Elisha to be his replacement. One of the things, you know, bringing this back and here in the next chapter or so, he he throws that mantle on Elisha, and I saw something, and I was reading it in the ESV, and it just kind of made it pop out a little bit different. And I
Elisha’s Mantle And Leaving Comfort
SPEAKER_02look back at the other translations, it was there all along, so it's not because the ESV was special, it's just because this is the thing that popped out while reading it for uh how many times I've read this story. But he throws a mantle on him. Elisha's out there seeking.
SPEAKER_01He's out there plowing, but it said it had 12 going before him.
SPEAKER_02There were 12 yoke of oxen going before him. So Elisha's folks had enough that were Elisha wasn't the only one plowing. Yeah. Yeah. There was a little bit of comfort there. He said, Ah, let me go kiss my father and mother, and I'm Elijah, what have I done to you? He knows he's hungry, so he sacrifices those oxen right then and there.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, 12 yolk of oxen's no small thing.
SPEAKER_02No, that that's uh that's commercial farming in there.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, exactly. That that's that's on a that's a that's farming on a big on a large scale.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you you you get to eat even then, you could get some stuff done with 12 yoke of oxen and whoever's running those before. But but but one of the things I found out is uh I know this is going to seem a little bit contradictory, because Elisha, after being anointed, and he follows Elijah and he does ministry with him, he waits on him, he serves. And then it's Elisha, it's Elisha's time, and Elisha has to go out and do his his own thing. And to the point where, you know, kind of what I was thinking here, it might seem a little bit contradictory talking about this newer generation, because the thing I absolutely love about them is some of these voices that are coming out. It's I've said it before, it's all about relationship, relationship, relationship, relationship. And, you know, hey, if that means that we don't do this in church, and if that don't mean, or if it has to happen, you know, I'm really not worried about it because the Lord's calling me out to reach these people where that the church won't go out and reach, yeah.
Advice For The Newer Generation
SPEAKER_02I'm like, great. However, here's the one thing I I'm I'm giving this little bit of advice. Um because we've been there, done that, and we can attest to it right here and now that uh especially with the more established, if you're more traditional church, uh and you know, some of these there's some in the more traditional church that are waiting on on the this new breed, is what I call them. They're waiting on them to fail, but and and but don't have that attitude. But also, let me just say this. When they fail, because they will, because we all do. Yep. When they fail, you better not be jumping on a bandwagon to condemn them. Because here's the thing, as far as that, but if you're one of those newer breed that are called and you go through this great journey, and it seems that now maybe you're getting some recognition, you're getting some uh you're you're beginning to see some fruit for what God's called you into. The the biggest thing I could admonish myself first and foremost is don't think the process is done. Because you're oh my God, this this this this dude's 21 years old. He's got an international ministry, he's winning all this, and it's a hell of a struggle to get where he got and what the Lord's doing is amazing. Don't think that's the end of the process. Yeah. You having a big effective ministry is not the end of the process.
David Proves The Process Repeats
SPEAKER_02You're gonna have this thing, you're gonna have this process repeat where we're you know, you're achieving fruit, and I would just point to the life of King David. David is anointed, even before that. You know, David's out there. He he's doing his thing, he's tending the sheep, has to deal with lions and bears, has to deal with not being the one that's called by everybody else. Here comes Samuel, anoints him. No sooner does that happen than he gets called into Saul's presence and has this victory, and then there's the jealousy sits in. And guess what? There's persecution. Well, he gets called back into gets called back into Saul's presence, and even earns the favor of the priesthood. Saul kills uh all the priests in a certain location except one. One one escapes because of David. You know, so so you're doing that. Well, now now Saul's gone, and you're a king. And you would think, well, great, David's David's the king. I've arrived. BS. No, it it it's just a whole new set of whole new set of challenges, whole new set of problems. It's a whole new set of circumstances that are going to reveal your blind spots. And it's gonna reveal those areas where you need improvement, and the Lord's going to improve you if you submit to the process. But but you see, hey, we're we're we're kicking butt, taking names uh militarily, except there's this one time where David, you just you you stay back. Oh, who's that? Who's that on the roof? And that's the whole Bathsheba debacle. Doesn't mean God can't make something great come out of being restored from your sin. But you know, David has her husband killed, who was a righteous man, a faithful follower, and you know, that baby dies. Uh the David got her pregnant. So you you have Solomon come out of this. So there's God's grace. Greatest king Israel ever had until it wasn't. And uh but monetarily, as far as the the height of success and power, you know, it's King Solomon. But guess what else happened? Uh, because of that act, now he has to deal with certain family issues that that opened the door to, uh, including uh rebellion, usurpation, uh, a coup basically, by two of his sons. So uh all I'm saying is is is that when we think we've arrived, you know, one one of the reasons it is important to be dangerous, to maintain your dangerousness, to maintain your spiritual virility. Yeah. To make sure that you can you you you go back, and I remember I was talking with old Rich Griffin one time, and I was like, Man, you know, there there's two uh two of the funniest verses in the Bible to me. And Rich was like, or or or what are you saying, C dub? And uh for those of you, you know, I mean Rich just tries to do it right.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he does.
SPEAKER_02And uh but it was it was there's a verse that says, if two men are fighting in the law, that if a woman reaches out and grabs the dude's fighting with her husband uh by the privates, cut her hand off. Then there's another one that says if you've had if you're male and your uh your private parts got damaged, you're not allowed into the tabernacle slash temple. You're
Spiritual Reproduction Over Tradition
SPEAKER_02not allowed into the presence. Well, why is that? Is that because God hates people that are maimed? Think Jesus Christ proved otherwise. However, the the moral of that story is God designed us to reproduce physically and spiritually. And the big thing that I would put in for this is we need to reproduce spiritually, and that creates its own set of challenges. It reminds me of the parable of the talents or the parable of the minus. I gave you something. Did you did you increase in any? Oh, you just kept it to yourself. I I gave you this gift of grace and salvation. Did you increase in any? Did you work with it? Well, I attended church. Okay. Well, maybe you helped support a cause. That's putting it in the bank, but a lot of people just sit there and never do nothing with it. I got saved. Well, did you bother to teach your kids about the Lord? You could have at least done that. You know, and and I say that a little bit tongue-in-cheek because the way I raise my kids to seek the Lord is a little bit different than the way a lot of folks did. But I tried to set them on the path to where they're discovering for themselves because I want their experience to be legitimate. Uh now, I think church camps, all this other stuff, at a younger age, sure, I'll I let them go to some. Uh they had good experiences, but at the same time, they uh what what I was trying to facilitate in them was something deeper than just a uh church attendance based relationship with Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_00I think that's one of the things that you're seeing in this um young and upcoming generation uh of believers is a group of folks that are um more more geared towards the relationship more than a tradition. Um it can be very you know church is full of tradition. Uh church is full of doing things simply because that's the way we've done them. Um and uh I like when when young folks, and I don't mean young just because of age, but new believers. Um I like when new believers um look at something and go, why do we do that? Uh and the only answer is well, that's just the way we do it. That's tradition. Um that that shows to me, that shows me some critical thinking skills are are are at work there.
SPEAKER_02Um You and I were just told shut up.
SPEAKER_00Yep, pretty much. Because I said so, that's why. You know. That's the way we do it. Um who are you? All this stuff gets in the way. Um and I don't want to be that kind of guy that just you know casts off tradition or all the tradition. That's untradition is good, as long as it doesn't get in the way of truth. Um, so anyway, it it's good to see new believers that are coming up and and um not so much concerned about tradition as they are truth, and not so much concerned about attendance and and all these other things as they are about relationship. Um, that's a good thing. Um, as far as us old men in the faith, uh as uh as John says, fathers, I call you fathers, um, as far as us guys, it's important to stay dangerous. Uh to stay dangerous on the battlefield, on the spiritual battlefield.
SPEAKER_02Hey
Where To Listen And Final Charge
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