Naboth's Vineyard Part 2: Are You Building A Legacy Or Collecting Stuff

A stolen vineyard. A rigged accusation. A prophet’s sentence that hangs in the air for years. Naboth’s Vineyard is one of the Bible’s clearest pictures of injustice, and we follow the thread from Ahab and Jezebel to Elijah’s prophecy and Jehu’s violent surge of judgment. What hits us hardest is how often God’s timing feels slow and how often divine justice looks like pure chaos from the ground level.

We also pivot into something practical and uncomfortable: the difference between what is measurable and what actually matters. A story from military training exposes the common trait behind those who make it through the hardest pipelines. It isn’t a perfect resume or a magic personality profile, it is the refusal to quit. That opens a bigger conversation about Christian perseverance, spiritual endurance, and how ego can sabotage obedience when life gets painful or confusing.

From there we wrestle with serving God inside broken systems. Jehu is zealous and useful, but not spotless, which forces the question many believers face in workplaces and institutions today: how do we stay righteous without pretending we are morally superior? We talk about God using imperfect tools like Nebuchadnezzar, the danger of pride, and why surrendering control can actually lower stress and increase clarity.

We close with a personal and cultural gut check: possessions versus inheritance. What are we really leaving our kids and grandkids, more stuff or a legacy of faith, discipline, and a hunger to walk with God? 

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Naboth’s Vineyard Recap

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Everybody, welcome to another episode of the WoeFo Yo podcast. In our last episode, we were talking about Naboth's vineyard. This is the scene of one of the great injustices of the Bible. And if you want the full story of how Ahab was wanting the vineyard of Naboth, which joined his property, Naboth viewed it as an inheritance. Ahab viewed it as a possession. And Jezebel set him up and basically accused him of treason and blasphemy. Naboth was killed. Ahab and Jezebel take possession of it. Elijah the prophet announces a sentence by word of the Lord. And then you go all the way to Elisha, and Elisha sends a messenger to anoint Jehu, king of Israel, and Jehu, verbatim, even though time has passed, says word for word the prophecy of Elijah, and takes out Ahab's son, and also takes out the king of Judah, Ahaziah, and then proceeds to take out Jezebel. So you see, this place of this great wrong ends up being the place of divine judgment. And also, we talked about how that looks just chaotic if you're in the midst of it, with what's going on with Jehu, although the Lord is behind all of it. So in discussing the concept of the place of the great injustice being the place of God's divine justice, just given it a little bit of time, we also touched on the topic of leadership and the importance of raising up those who will follow in your steps and how they can even surpass you, and how there's great joy and fulfillment in that if you set your ego aside. And that's where we're going to pick it up now on this episode of Nabot's Vineyard on the WoFo Yo podcast. And

The Skill Nobody Measures

SPEAKER_01 2:28

it was uh psychological, and they were doing basically logistics as well as some psychological profiles on who passed some of the higher level schools uh in the military, whether it's you know, Q Course, whether it's BUDS, Ranger School.

SPEAKER_02 2:55

And granted, each one of those is going to have a little bit different focus. But guess what commonality they found?

SPEAKER_01 3:06

They didn't.

SPEAKER_03 3:09

They ability to take an ashtray.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

They just didn't quit. Yeah, they just don't quit. They just didn't quit. Yeah, well, is it uh, you know, is this this a factor over here? Is this an and and some of them might have been minor factors, but the big but the big overall factor was they just didn't quit, they kept on going. And and so what does that look like? Well, there was no way to pin that down. Yeah, you can't measure that.

SPEAKER_03 3:35

Um I remember in in Rip laying in a patrol base uh in the middle of the night, just being miserable, hungry, and hadn't slept in a day or two, and all this other stuff. And uh Ranger instructor would walk in the middle of the patrol base. All right, who wants to quit? Two of you, who let me let me get two of you, who wants to quit? Coffee and donuts right up, coffee and donuts up the hill. First two people to quit. A coffee and donuts right up the hill. And you hear somebody, yeah, they right up here. And just that, that suggestion alone, somebody would quit. Somebody'd stand up and walk off. Um, we had we had two or three SF guys in my rip class that were going through rip before they went on to ranger school to get their get their ranger tab. And that night we had two SF guys stand up and walk out. Same for me. They went up there and it goes, well, hot damn, there is coffee and donuts up here, you know. But that uh that mental toughness to be able to put stuff like that out of your mind and just not quit. You know, find a reason to not quit. That that's that's what's what it comes down to. That's why people that's why people make it.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

The one

Serving God Inside Corruption

SPEAKER_01 5:00

thing that really stood out, it kind of reminds me of some modern things that have happened, is Jehu is actually, although not a perfect man, although a man with his vices, um, he can let his ego get out of check. Jehu is zealous for the Lord, very aware of the prophecy of Elijah, but still basically he's still working in the government. He's still working in the administration. He's a cabin of the guard. He's an army commander.

SPEAKER_03 5:43

He's very patentes-esque.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

Yeah. Yeah. So he's in there doing his thing. He's he's in a corrupt administration, but yet he serves the Lord. Uh, I could tell you this there there have been some corrupt administrations in our country. And you know what? By the grace of God, there's been some righteous people that love Jesus Christ in those administrations. Now, were they the prominent heads and all that? No, but they were so so good at their job and what they did, they were invaluable to people for their function, uh, no matter what party was in. Right. That can be a very hard place to be, too.

SPEAKER_03 6:28

Um person trying to serve the Lord, do what God has commanded you and asked you to do while working for a corrupt employer or an immoral employer, however you want to state it. Um, that can be a very difficult place to do. Um, I think as Christians, we're we're still called, we're still called to be uh righteous and holy and sanctified and all those adjectives that we throw around. We're still called to be all those things, even in the midst of that corruption. Um you know, if God tells you to leave that place, then you know so be it. Um but the Lord also needs us in those places. Yeah. Um because we for a lot of times we're the only Jesus that folks are gonna see. Yeah. Uh so um I think it's very interesting that uh yeah, Jehu's uh Jehu's trying to do what God's telling him uh in the in a place that is not doing at all what God is saying. So but we need play, we need people like that in places like that.

SPEAKER_01 7:36

So and if you go into Chronicles, one of the things that does talk about, we've mentioned this before, that although Ahab was corrupt, although Ahab was morally compromised, although Ahab was evil, militarily, Ahab was not weak. Right, and part of that is because guys like Jehu that are in there, and you never know if you're in a place where maybe things are corrupted, but you're righteous. I'm not saying you are, this is not some kind of prophetic word, but I'm also not saying you're not, so that you don't get an easy out, but but you never know if you are there for such a time and place as that, for such a purpose as that, to where God's bringing back divine justice, and next thing you know, guess what, buddy? You're the hammer.

SPEAKER_03 8:36

Right. Many of the times in scripture where we see God judging another nation, and he uses a lot of times he uses Israel to do it. Um, and then there's times where he uses other nations to judge Israel. Yes. Um, but many times when we see God judging a nation, uh, he uses warfare to do it. Um but that but nowhere in those times does he say that uh that the nation who's doing or who the nation that he's using as that instrument of judgment is righteous. No. Um because warfare is not necessarily not necessarily a righteous endeavor, um, but it is a tactic that God uses as judgment from time to time. Uh so God can definitely use um definitely can use you uh for judgment. Just don't let your ego get so big that you think he's using you because you're righteous.

SPEAKER_01 9:39

Well, that's

When The Tool Gets Proud

SPEAKER_01 9:40

that's exactly what happens if you fast forward several hundred years, way more than several hundred years. The whole issue with um the invasion of Judah, the sacking of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar and Nebuchadnezzar, his general, and the destruction of the temple, and all that, Jeremiah is saying the whole time, as well as Isaiah, Nebuchadnezzar is the Lord's tool that he's using.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

God's anointed him to do this because of all the evil that is accumulated.

SPEAKER_03 10:22

The man I have chosen.

SPEAKER_01 10:24

Yes. However, what happens? If you read in the book of Daniel, Nebuchadnezzar gets judged for his pride and ego, has to crawl around on his hands and knees eating grass like an animal, like a wild man. Until until he repents, and then also uh his his son decides he's going to use some of the vessels of the temple to throw a party, and and and that's that. But this the same prophets that say that Nebuchadnezzar is a tool of the Lord, that he is an instrument, he's the one that God has chosen, are the same ones that prophesy against Babylon because of how they treated Israel. Right. You went overboard. Right. You went overboard, and then the Persians take over because they went overboard. Divine

Chaos That Is Still Order

SPEAKER_01 11:29

divine justice is going to look like chaos quite often. It does.

SPEAKER_03 11:34

It looks like it looks like chaos. Um we can confuse it as um as moral superiority in some cases, and and it's not. It's just simply God getting things done in his divine economy. And God can use, God can definitely use evil to accomplish his uh good and perfect will. Um He is He is a God that can do that. We have to be careful that our ego doesn't puff us up to where we think every time He uses us, it's because we've done something great. Yeah. And and because we're somebody special. It's not. It's He just chose to because He's God and He's sovereign.

SPEAKER_01 12:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:20

Um we should be thankful.

SPEAKER_01 12:22

Everything should be done decently and in order. Well, you know what? Amen.

SPEAKER_03 12:29

But yeah, all I can say about that is let me see you on the battlefield.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:36

We'll we'll talk about order.

SPEAKER_01 12:37

Yeah. Well what God's doing, what God is doing is decently and in order, but it's not according to our understanding. And so for us, and you not realize it it might look like it might look like uh my finances just got uncomfortable. Right. Because God's executing divine judgment. You thought you were going to sacrifice something, but God said I'm gonna strip it away from you. It could look like the very word that the Lord gave you falls apart before your very eyes.

SPEAKER_02 13:13

So you don't get puffed up only to look, and in two two to five years, it was right on point.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

But it looked like everything fell apart. Yeah, you know, and that can happen personally, that can happen nationally, that can happen on a world scale, that can happen concerning the body of believers you belong to. Yeah, it's but everything's supposed to be decently in order. No, guess what, buddy? God's God's in control, and you're not. Matter of fact, if you had control, you would mess it up. Yeah. Guess what? That also lessens the stress. It it lessens this mindset that you gotta control everything. You can actually go, well, Lord, I obviously am incompetent to do this, so I'm just gonna have to trust you. And then all of a sudden, he goes, Thank you. Been waiting for that. And and now you start cooperating with God, and you go, what just happened? Because rather than fighting this thing that looks like chaos, you learn to surf them waves.

SPEAKER_03 14:27

Yeah, and you've you've placed all the burden back on God. Yeah. Which which He said, you know, take my yoke for it isn't, you know, it is easy and not burdensome. Um this idea that um that you know God's given me a mission, God has anointed me, God has given me this and told me to do that. Now I've got to somehow go make it all happen. Man, that's a dangerous place to be. Um, I can see where it's an easy trap to fall into, um, just simply out of zeal. Uh, but uh we have to come back to reality, you know, in scripture and look and go, yeah, God didn't call me to to take control of everything. God called me to let him have control of everything and just simply uh facilitate it. Uh so the ego, man, the ego gets in in the middle of everything. It is, I think it gets into places where where we didn't even expect it to enter in. Um just when you think you got your pride in check, you'll see more of it pop up. Uh it'll uh look like um it'll look like anger.

SPEAKER_00 15:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:39

Uh it'll look like anxiety, panic. Uh, it'll look like all those things.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

So

Possession Mindset Versus Inheritance

SPEAKER_01 15:45

this different viewpoint that Ahab has, this different perspective that that Ahab has concerning this vineyard, and what Naboth has concerning this vineyard. To Naboth, it is a vineyard, is to produce the wine, which is a type of the spirit, type of type of the anointing, type of spiritual giftings, as you said, versus Ahab.

SPEAKER_02 16:14

I need me a vegetable garden.

SPEAKER_00 16:18

Because I want tomatoes.

SPEAKER_02 16:22

Um, really, man, it just kind of popped into my head.

SPEAKER_03 16:27

It's not much different than our hyper focus on possession today. Yeah. It's not much different. And that and I'll say that, and that stings as I say it. Um, because I like possessions, you know, um, but we do have this focus, this hyper focus on possessions today. I want this, I want that, and I want this and that. And the only reason I really want it for is because I want it. Um and I think God can use God can use our finances, God can use our resources. There's so many other things that God can use our stuff for, uh, other than for us to just simply have stuff for.

SPEAKER_01 17:15

There was um conversation I was having. You know, you're talking about possessions and stuff. And had the girlfriend over for dinner and did a little cooking out, and the question was asked. It was mentioned my mom and dad's anniversary. I have an aunt and uncle getting ready to set celebrate their 85th and 80th birthday uh this upcoming weekend. Uh mom and dad done uh went on to be with the Lord. Matter of fact, today when we're recording this, this would have been their 52nd wedding anniversary, I believe.

SPEAKER_02 17:58

That being said, the question was asked, well, what do you have of your dad's? I had to think.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

Because believe me, you know, isn't it's not like dad didn't leave me anything. But the things that were important were relegated to two.

SPEAKER_02 18:28

Two. That's what I wanted. When

What We Keep From Our Fathers

SPEAKER_02 18:32

I look at those things, especially one is not a possession, it's an inheritance. That particular thing is old and falling apart, but it's special, it's it's part of an inheritance, and that is my grandfather's Bible.

SPEAKER_01 19:04

Some of the notes in there, some of the um, some of the prefaces that would make people roll their eyes and have the dying quivers in the modern sensitive church. Just foundational truths. Like uh, I remember I sent you one. I said, Hey, uh, this this is when my dad was, you know, uh on his way out, and I said, check this out. And I remember there was like a whole page about the importance of the family, the importance of a Christian family, and the importance of the nuclear family in America, how it was the foundation. The Christian family was the foundation of this nation, and that if we ever turn from that and if we ever corrupt that, then there's going to be hell to pay.

SPEAKER_00 19:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:01

Here we go. That's that's not a possession, that's an inheritance. So when we go to church, are we going because we are partaking in our inheritance, or we're just going to get?

Church Assets Versus Disciples

SPEAKER_02 20:23

Are we racking up points?

SPEAKER_01 20:25

Yeah. Um, same thing in the 501c3 uh that that tax-free status really is one of the things that shifted the mindset in a lot of the American churches, because rather than discipling, it became about members, people that are donating, people that can write things off on their taxes.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

And, you know, the the dirty little secret is for most people, if you're tithing for your average Joe Blow, that's still not going to match your standard deduction on your taxes.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

If you're a big fish, oh, you can play that game. You know, it's just like the old stock market thing, you know, so some of these investment companies. Well, the buy-in starts at $10,000. And that that was back in the 80s. You know, I had an uncle said his biggest regret, you know, here was been married to my aunt for 50 years. Said his biggest regret was not buying Microsoft when he had the chance. 10,000 shares of Microsoft back in the mid 80s. Guess what? I inside 2020.

SPEAKER_02 21:48

Well, that that wasn't cheap in the 80s. No. Ain't no telling how many dollars a share it was on its initial thing.

SPEAKER_01 21:57

But you're talking about a sizable investment. You're probably talking somewhere between $30,000 and $50,000 of 80s money.

SPEAKER_00 22:05

80s money. Yeah. That's a house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Easy.

SPEAKER_03 22:14

Um I was listening to the radio the other day and it was flashing back to 2002, I think it was. And the the average cost of an automobile was $27,000. And I was like, wow, really? 2002? Yes, that's that's pretty damn good. Um comparing it to what it is now. I mean, goodness gracious. It's amazing how fast things skyrocket. Yeah. You know. But uh man, I know our our home, man, our home has doubled in value since we've since we've moved here, since we bought it. Yeah. Now, our home is for us, it has doubled in value. For a home buyer, it's doubled in cost. Uh, you know, um, but yeah, that's just that's the way things go. Yeah. Looking back at the 80s, at 80s money, uh, man, things were really, really great, but we we didn't we didn't require as much money to live either.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

Yeah. I was looking back, uh, my folks bought the house uh that that I grew up in. I think they rented for a year or two, and then bought it and was having this discussion with my brother, uh, and I believe my sister as well. Um, we were having the after funeral meal, you know, for my aunt uh that passed away. Yeah, we got talking about the initial thing, you know. My brother still has the the title and all that stuff. And I believe the house was in the 70s was eighteen thousand dollars.

SPEAKER_03 23:54

Oh, yeah, don't surprise me.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

House on 20 acres, $18,000 in the mid-70s. That's a lot of money though. A lot of money then. You take you take what that would be worth now, and it's and it's on par.

SPEAKER_03 24:10

Now you take somebody who bought a house for $18,000 in the 70s and has lived in that house his whole time. Um that house is worth a whole lot of money, a whole lot more money now. Even if they didn't update, you know.

SPEAKER_01 24:25

Yeah. I haven't done much to my house. I bought it back in 2015. Here it is, 2026. Well over 50 percent of the value is increased in it. And, you know, start doing some remodeling to be more. But when we start looking at things, you know, are you building people?

Sin In Your Own Backyard

SPEAKER_01 24:50

Here's here's one of the key things or inheritance versus possession. Are you building people or are you attracting members? Right. There's a little bit of contrast between an inheritance versus a possession. Um, I also like to point out that Ahab did something that was never good to do. Number one, don't be corrupt. But he the reason he wanted it was it was right next to his place. So he commits this sin right in his own backyard. You know, so so it's almost inevitable that as he's going out to meet, since the thing's right, it connects to his property.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

So when Joram's coming out, he's coming out of the property, it it almost has to happen in Naboth's Vineyard.

SPEAKER_01 25:51

There was a tale of local lore. It's a tale. I know there's an element of truth to it, but in case the story's wrong, I don't feel like getting sued. The name will be omitted.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

There was a certain NBA player, legend, had a wife that lived in the area. Let's see. Yeah, one town over, probably about eight miles from where we grew up, the crowflies. Right.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

And uh was mentoring another player that had entered that league, and there was also another player that had retired from that league, was down in another town, very, very, very southern end of Illinois. They had a little club there, and said NBA player went out and hung out. Well, when engaged when he engaged in certain activities, the story goes, man, he he was messing around in his wife's backyard.

SPEAKER_02 26:59

You think she didn't find out about it?

SPEAKER_01 27:06

You know, again, that's the story that gets told. When you start creating trouble in your own neighborhood, when you I mean, number one, don't create the trouble. Right. But then you're gonna be bold enough and brazen enough to do it.

SPEAKER_02 27:27

Ahab does this to his neighbor. Man, you know, I think about how that would fly in Villa Ridge.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

There'd be somebody's house burned down back in the day. Oh yeah. Nobody figured it out. Nobody wasn't there there'd probably be about three or four folks who knew what happened, and then nobody, everybody else could just guess. Mm-hmm. Way things used to happen back then. It was a lot better back then. But, you know, Naboth's doing, or Naboth, he views it as an inheritance. Ahab views it as a possession, and he's willing to take it even in his own backyard. Now you start thinking about some of the stuff that goes on and some of the things that have become supposed to be big scandals, I guess. A lot of people are shocked. I know Bone G and I really haven't been shocked because this is certain things the Lord's been showing us, and whenever we tried to bring them up, then you know, you're bringing disunity to the body. Well, he's trying to trying to make sure the body was healthy. But you find out there's a whole lot of people been doing some shenanigans right there in their local congregation, right there in their own backyard.

SPEAKER_03 28:50

Yeah, just because you point out the infection doesn't mean that you're the bad guy. Yeah, you're you're not the cause.

SPEAKER_02 28:57

Right. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 29:01

Possessions versus inheritance. You know, the the the whole the whole idea of how do we build a church, a lot of it is asset driven. We got a tax-free thing, we need to set it up like this, and we're accumulating assets. So the whole thing becomes asset driven rather than creating an inheritance. Uh that I said that there was a book or that there was the Bible that my dad uh that I requested for my dad when he said, Well, what do you want? He said, My time's getting close. He said, Well, what do you want? Chose two things. But before that, over in my bookcase, I said, Dad, because the you know, the Lord had been talking to me, and uh mom had passed, but my great-grandfather would go out and talk to the Lord.

SPEAKER_02 30:04

I found out. Uh unfortunately, he got shot in the head.

SPEAKER_01 30:09

He was a sheriff over in Pulaski County, Illinois. His deputy was cleaning his gun while it was loaded, went off, discharged, accidental, you know, accidental discharge, shot him in the head, and he had about three phrases he would go. Before that, here is a man that's walking with the Lord, and he has written poetry talking about the precious blood of Jesus. And it's just the small little booklet that he had written that had his poetry in it, and it was all based upon the sovereignty of God, relationship with God, how how precious Jesus Christ is, that's an inheritance. Right. Guess how much I thought of that when we were writing the Christian self-defense manual? Not one bit. But as I'm mentioning now, I go, wow, the fact that we came out with that really solidifies that that's an inheritance. When you find yourself walking in the steps of ancestors that walked with the Lord, and you don't even find out about it until you've you're actually just kind of walking in some of those same steps, it it means something. Also, probably lets me know I need to be careful on the firearms range. Y'all go clean them yourself. I'm in the next room. I'll be in the next room over. We're very safe on our range. It's a total different concept. I'm so glad that you brought that up. It's a total different concept, is a total different uh mindset when you're talking about inheritance versus possessions.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

Yeah.

Legacy For Kids And Grandkids

SPEAKER_03 31:58

Like I said, this is something I just stumbled on just probably the last week or two. Um, another word for inheritance in the scripture is legacy. Um, we want to leave a legacy for our grandchildren. Um, and a lot of us think when we read that scripture, that legacy is reputation. You know, we want to leave uh a reputation, uh something that a name for ourselves. That's not what it means. It means we want to leave it um an inheritance, something that our grandchildren can benefit from uh and whatnot. And it doesn't have to be physical, it can be spiritual. It can be, it can be physical or but uh but you're right. It's being able to leave something, uh, leave something behind that uh your family or your your um your descendants can can benefit from. And they may never even may not even know about it.

SPEAKER_01 32:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:58

But uh, but they get it anyway.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

I I looked at some of my actions that I've been doing in the last three or four years, and being mindful not only of my children, but my grandchildren. And like where I take my vacations, and the fact that I do what I do on vacation, and the fact that I'm recording that especially for my children and my grandchildren, to I want that to be an inheritance. I want that to be a legacy. I want that to be something that, you know, because a lot of the love I have for nature, not only did my dad teach me, but but I had an uncle that I was probably the closest to, other than my dad, as far as family member. And uh he can be full of crap at times. He's good as gold, but he'd be full of crap at times. You're like, shut up, man. You know, but but he owned that. Uh but he was the one that taught me like need to go out here, get in these woods, start talking to the Lord, he'll start talking back, learn to listen. Yeah, that's a legacy.

SPEAKER_03 34:13

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:14

And so the fact that that I'll, you know, when we started going to national parks and stuff, that did one year with my son, and then, you know, the others, I'm taking pictures and I'm giving these things as gifts, you know, for Christmas and different things like that. I want them to be inspired to go and walk this same journey because it's not easy, but man, it's worth it.

SPEAKER_03 34:37

It really is. Um, we can either pass on to them a desire for possessions, earthly things, um, nice cars, nice trucks, uh, nice things, or we can pass on to them the desire to chase something, to chase God, um, to go out and find him wherever he may be. Even though he's right with us all the time, it still doesn't hurt to get out away from all the white noise, uh away from all the static, away from all the junk, the clutter, and the chaos, and go find him in those places uh where the wind, the wind talks back to you. Yeah, uh go out there and find those places. And with so many things in social media influencing our kids these days, man, do you be surprised how a picture of Mount Rushmore or the picture of uh Yellowstone, uh the great waterfalls at Yellowstone. Uh, those those pictures that we bring back from vacations and stuff can influence uh our youngins too. Um they see that and they want to go out there and they want to check it out too. But um, yeah, you can either leave a desire for possessions or you can leave a desire for an inheritance. It's up to you.

SPEAKER_01 36:02

You said chasing God, even though he's there with us.

Walking With God Right Now

SPEAKER_01 36:07

Yeah, we are chasing God. Yeah, he is there with us. The pursuit will lead you not to where God is, because he's, you know, it's not where he isn't, but not where he is, but it's where you need to be. Right. For that moment.

SPEAKER_03 36:23

I stumbled across something yesterday about God and and Adam, Adam and Eve in the garden. Um, and the issue was how he how he walked with them. And the Hebrew word that's used there is to, you know, to literally to walk with, to go with, to come along with. Uh it wasn't figuratively, it was literally to walk with. Um, and it's the same the same concept um that the Bible talks about uh to to walk in his ways. So we think that um, and that that changed the way I think about something because I thought that God's wanting to get us back to that place. No, God's that he we're already in that place because he's wanting to walk in, he's wanting us to walk in his ways now, yeah. Not as some resurrected perfect being later. He's wanting to do that now.

SPEAKER_01 37:26

So what that means is God is modeling behavior that he wants us to imitate.

SPEAKER_03 37:31

Yes, he's wanting to walk with us right now.

Closing And Where To Listen

SPEAKER_01 37:35

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