Episode 60
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Rewind: Global Perspectives on History, Culture, Politics, and Food
Imagine sharing a fascinating conversation about history, politics, culture, and food with a well-traveled entrepreneur, Fernando Pujalt, who's lived everywhere from Peru to South Africa, before finding his home in Spain. We cover topics from the complexities of Ukraine's history to the impact of a Multitarian Diet on our health, all explored through the unique lens of Fernando's global experiences.
We dive into the world of the culinary arts with a twist - discussing a natural food delivery service that uses scientific research and historical studies to provide the essential nutrients we need. We also talk about the current political and economic landscape in Spain and the challenges faced by self-employed individuals navigating high taxes.
We finish off by examining the role of social media in our lives. We discuss the painful consequences of bullying, and how it shapes our worldview. Join us for this enlightening exchange.
Topics of Discussion
Fernando’s Resources
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Thoughts of a Random (Citizen Remote Podcast) is a podcast oriented around open ideas, entrepreneurship, travel, investing, politics, philosophy, and an odd take on history. Together with Toarc United & Citizen Remote we talk with thought leaders from all around the world to stir the innovative mind. This podcast specifically talks about the importance of having an international perspective, the ins and outs of the business world, the entrepreneurial life, the digital nomad life, investing and ways to enjoy life in the new age.
Businesses worldwide have very quickly oriented themselves around freelancing, digital nomads, remote workers, and diluting borders. If you'd like to find out how you can benefit on an individual or entrepreneurial level from that change, this podcast is for you & Citizen Remote can help.
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Episode 60
Follow The Host
Rewind: Global Perspectives on History, Culture, Politics, and Food
Imagine sharing a fascinating conversation about history, politics, culture, and food with a well-traveled entrepreneur, Fernando Pujalt, who's lived everywhere from Peru to South Africa, before finding his home in Spain. We cover topics from the complexities of Ukraine's history to the impact of a Multitarian Diet on our health, all explored through the unique lens of Fernando's global experiences.
We dive into the world of the culinary arts with a twist - discussing a natural food delivery service that uses scientific research and historical studies to provide the essential nutrients we need. We also talk about the current political and economic landscape in Spain and the challenges faced by self-employed individuals navigating high taxes.
We finish off by examining the role of social media in our lives. We discuss the painful consequences of bullying, and how it shapes our worldview. Join us for this enlightening exchange.
Topics of Discussion
Fernando’s Resources
About The Show
Thoughts of a Random (Citizen Remote Podcast) is a podcast oriented around open ideas, entrepreneurship, travel, investing, politics, philosophy, and an odd take on history. Together with Toarc United & Citizen Remote we talk with thought leaders from all around the world to stir the innovative mind. This podcast specifically talks about the importance of having an international perspective, the ins and outs of the business world, the entrepreneurial life, the digital nomad life, investing and ways to enjoy life in the new age.
Businesses worldwide have very quickly oriented themselves around freelancing, digital nomads, remote workers, and diluting borders. If you'd like to find out how you can benefit on an individual or entrepreneurial level from that change, this podcast is for you & Citizen Remote can help.
If you’re a startup, needing to find useful tools, wanting to build custom software or generally struggling with the next steps you should be taking to optimize your companies bottom line Toarc United can help.
Like the show?? Please leave a Review! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
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Sponsored by:
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Disclaimer: None of what is mentioned on Thoughts of a Random Citizen or from Toarc United should be taken as investment or legal advice of any kind.
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Speaker 1:I have an in-person interview today with Fernando Pujol. He is a resident over here in Spain. He has a crazy background, ranging from Peru to South Africa, over to the US with a degree in corporate job, now to an entrepreneur here in Spain. We talk about a heap of things in this episode, ranging from 50,000 years ago to current events today and the wonderful world of food. Because this is an in-person interview, it typically seemed to run a bit long, so I split it into two parts for you guys, so you didn't have a two hour episode to sit down and listen to. Anyways, I hope you guys enjoy the oh so funny. Fernando Pujol, you can just come on in, man, just pull up a seat. If I had a third mic.
Speaker 1:I'd just have you come in. You have some perspective with the whole Romanian situation that you just got back from. Did you hear what was going on over there?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've been following. Actually, you know, you know my history both. Yeah, oh yeah, I don't know if you've heard. So, yeah, actually part of what I studied was geopolitics and political science and you know, understanding the history of Ukraine and Russia, you know, you have to literally go back all the way till the initial Vikings or they were called the Viking Rus actually moved into Kiev, and then you've got the Cossacks and you've got the Tartars and you have the Mongols and it's just all this different group of people you know. So Russia is really people just think of a monogenic type of group of people, and they're not. They're very, very different. You have, you have Mongolian looking Russians, you've got the blonde blue eyes. You've got the Chechen Muslim, you know, brown hair, dark skin, brown eyes, and so when you understand the collective of what the Russian states were, you understand a little bit better what's going on.
Speaker 2:And if you look at Ukraine, which actually most people don't know, that Ukraine actually means the border state, what Really? And Ukraine needs a mixture between the Polish, lithuanian, with the Cossacks and the Tartars, as well as the some other Russian tribes. You know, and so you could, anything that somebody could say about Ukraine, most probably in one way or another they're right. Like when Putin says we're going there to take care of neo-Nazis, and you know the Russian president. That doesn't make sense, does it? It doesn't so, but yeah, there was there. So if you read about Barrera, who was a nationalist from World War Two, that he actually allied with the Nazis later on, of course, to be arrested by the Nazis, that's what's kind of how they did that. That's how the Nazis did.
Speaker 2:You know, but he allied to generate more Ukrainian nationalism. And then you've got, of course, the partisans that were mostly connected with with with the Russians, you know, with the Soviet Union at the time. And then you had the more moderate, connected with the Polish, the Lithuanians, more of the Western Orthodox religious, even though, funny, the Orthodox religion in Ukraine is the only Orthodox church that it actually is aligned with the Vatican. No other church was aligned with the Vatican.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so so you've got these really, lots of different groups of people, lots of different philosophies. So you could say, oh, you know, they're Catholics, they're Nazis, they're communists. Yeah, I'm sure you'll find them. But then, when you look at the party, the actual national neo-Nazi so-called party, they want two parliament seats, you know, in 2015,. It's a joke, it's? You know? It's like saying that the guys that raided the White House on January 6th, that's most Americans, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, and when you were just saying that, I was literally just thinking the more that I travel and the more I go around, the more I see that no government is really like one face of the people, like all governments don't even remotely incorporate what the people of their country are Like. Well, they try and you know some are better than others, but in the end of it, like Putin, can't just go yeah, dude, that's, you know, nazis over there. We got to take care of the problem.
Speaker 1:Like no dude no, because you can say the same thing with the US, but you go to California as opposed to deep Arkansas. You're going to get a bit of a different demographic.
Speaker 2:So absolutely, and a different philosophy, and you've got people that tend to incline more liberal, more conservative, more religious, less religious. You know they go for the Knicks or the Lakers and literally it's very tribalistic. And that's the problem that really politics today has become a professional sport, that this is my team and no matter how wrong they are, you know I'm like well, I know that he did murder the child, but that kid was pretty bad. It's like what?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just don't get it Well, and then they tie up their livelihood in it now too. So it's not just like a government in which you, you know, volunteer or give back out of the goodness of your heart. It is your livelihood, your life, your career, your money, your status. So when you get that ingrained, yeah, well, if you get in a situation where you're running up for reelection and it's like, well, you know, you're about to be out of a job and out of all this other stuff, Well, I mean, yeah, I can blame them on the outside. But I was just literally having a talk with somebody else on the podcast and we had the same thing. It's like, yeah, you can't really blame them, but you can because that's what their position is. So, and like, one thing that just blows my mind is it's called public office and yet they're the most like private, you know, like they're not allowed to see what's going on with them. It's like, well then, what the fuck is it called a public office?
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:Like and I have less privacy that writes than you like, but whatever so the story of the politician. Yeah, exactly, but anyways, I was really curious to. We just started recording. By the way, I just threw it on because we were already talking. I'm here with Fernando, everybody. Fernando, how do you pronounce your last name, because I don't want to put your name?
Speaker 2:It's actually called Pujal, which is actually a Catalan last name.
Speaker 2:Oh, really, and a pretty old one too. It's dates back to about the year 900. Geez, so something that in Catalonia is it's well taken, you know, because you've got Catalan last names, and many of them being derivatives of a last name from France or derivative from a Castilian last name or derivative from another language, and then you've got kind of like the old last names, you know, the Leopards or the ones that, and I would say the ones that end in T. Okay, so it's said to be pretty old, but, and also based on the translation, because my last name actually comes from the word Pujalt- which means high point, Really and actually.
Speaker 2:You can go to a town which is literally less than an hour away, which is has actually the observatory, One of the observatories for Catalonia. It's got the areas called Aenoia and the town is called Pujalt expelled verbatim my last name what.
Speaker 1:Yeah, did you feel something like this is mine, no. I did Very clean restrooms. Oh, there you go.
Speaker 2:So, I did relate you know me having OCD, but you know it's and it has a very strong connection in my family. You know, from my dad's side we're very strong from the Catalan descent, even though none of us spoke Catalan. You know, god bless their souls. And on my mom's side, italians, you know, from Genoa, literally from Genoa. So yeah, so it's. I've got these two very high, strong, very proud, very productive cells of sustained cultures which are very alike. Italy and Spain.
Speaker 1:No, no, I mean the people from Genoa. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:And the people from Catalonia, uh-huh, they're kind of like the people from Genoa are called the Italian Catalans and the people from Catalonia are called Genovese Spaniards, what you know, because it's got that they're a little more centered, they're more conservative, hard workers.
Speaker 1:So a rough frame I've noticed here. Yes, yes, they don't really. I get a lot of looks, man More serious. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:You know, then you go to. You know you go to Andalusia, or you could go to Naples, or you could go to Sicily, and it's a party. Oh yeah, you know, people are having fun at the south, so it's funny that I have a family from two very different sides. There is so much alike.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, speaking of that, I know you're based now in Spain, in Seges, which we're going to dive into, but you're from Peru and you lived a long time in the US. Can you elaborate on just kind of both of those for us?
Speaker 2:Right and in the middle. I grew up in Southern Africa, so what.
Speaker 1:I did not tell you that I don't think so we didn't come here. I tend to mention that a lot In Southern Africa. Yes, like South Africa South.
Speaker 2:Africa. Actually, Swaziland and Mozambique were the places that I lived. I stayed there for about eight years.
Speaker 1:How did you find those places?
Speaker 2:I didn't. My father took me there as a child. Okay, he trust me. When he first told me I was going to Mozambique I had to look it up in a map and it was very exciting. You know, starting to travel at the age of eight. I was telling people I got on a plane at the age of eight and I never got off. I got more miles than most pilots, so it's so I kind of started there. But yeah, I'm proving. I'm proving born. I was born in a Jesus Maria Lima Very proud the hospital, the employee, which is a. It was kind of like the people's hospital at the time in the 1979, and grew up in a beach town.
Speaker 1:Oh wow. So you've gotten really far away from that, haven't you?
Speaker 2:So it was really. I kind of grew up in Lima, but three, four months I would be in a beach town, copun Termosa, which is where my family, most of my family from my mom's side, actually lives today. They all live at a beach town. Funny enough, and but when I was eight years old, my father got a really good job at the United Nations.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, international labor office, ilo, and we moved to Mozambique, you know, flew through Brazil to get to South Africa. From South Africa we got to Mozambique. We went there in 1988. So the experience there was still apathy when I got to to South Africa. Apathy, you know. Apathy when they would separate the people, oh geez.
Speaker 1:Okay, so like segregation it was legal segregation, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2:So South Africa went through legal segregation until the early 90s. Jesus, when Nelson Mandela got elected you know WD Clark actually. First he you know apathy became legal. A lot of pressure from the world Something very similar to what's happening to Russia today and kind of like the pressure from the world. It just did not become sustainable for South Africa and it kind of pulled that change and I kind of lived through all that.
Speaker 2:So that was that was that was an interesting, it was an interesting paradigm in my life and it really changed me very, very quickly. When I got there and when I arrived there, I felt I was coming to another world, another planet, a totally different culture. But with time I realized that, you know, we're not that different. After all, you know, some kid growing up in Peru and some kid going up in in Southern Africa were very similar and we're 98% similar in 2% ego yeah.
Speaker 1:That's a good way to put it man. Do you have I don't mean to cut you off Do you have much diversity, I guess in places like Peru, or is it more, is it less than it would be in places like Sejas and kind of?
Speaker 2:It would be well, Sejas is a, it's a special place.
Speaker 1:It's a special place.
Speaker 2:It's an anomaly of the world, I would say. You have a lot of European embedded culture in Peru, a lot of Spanish, northern Italian as well. Of course, it was a Spanish colony, northern Italian. Most of the population is mestizo, which would be a Native American, with white would be the higher percentage of the population, some more than others. In my case, for example, I have about 10% Native American.
Speaker 1:Okay, you know.
Speaker 2:And then you do have some African culture in Peru, but it's a small population, mostly located in certain areas, which is Chincha, which is an area in Peru that very strongly descend from African Americans, of course slaves at, you know, in 16, 17, 18th century, and but really you've got a big Japanese culture, big Chinese culture, but you know, they came over a lot for the fishing, the railroads and so on, just like they did in many countries.
Speaker 2:But you do have an international presence of people, but the culture is very much a Peruvian center. We love food that's, I would say if you would talk about it, and that's because it's such a fertile country, things growing Peru that don't grow anywhere else in the world. We're very, we're very, proud of that and there's a lot of folklore. And of course, the Incas you know came from are from mostly from Peru. You know, of course, bolivia, ecuador, colombia in a smaller facet part. So so, yeah, you do have a lot of international influence, but I would say the highest percentage of the population will be Miss T cell, which comes from Native Americans.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean at this point then in the world, the way that everything's going, it's International influence is kind of hard to kick out. Yeah, you know what I mean Well that's.
Speaker 2:That's when people call me a globalist. Yeah, you're such a globalist. Is the globalist a bad? Thing, that's, that's, I'm like that, thank you, yeah right, like cool, it's like. I'm sorry, I did not know the world came with borders, yeah right. It doesn't it doesn't the world did come with borders than every single house? And in within every house, every room should have a border because we can break down the individual you know, and some people are multiple individuals, that is so bipolar people. You have to live in two places.
Speaker 1:Two different, your tax twice.
Speaker 2:Your tax twice, please so you know, that's that's. That's one of the things that I do. See myself as a born globalist, I it just makes no sense when there is no that fun competition talking about the World Cup or sports or you know, the guys playing against the girls on a Monopoly game or some Fun if you're not have, if there's competition and no fun, then you're just walking backwards.
Speaker 1:Wait, so you're saying that you like things like the World Cup, though? Right, I love the world. Okay, yeah, I was. Just that's what I said, because we're having fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, unless your team is winning, which is pretty fuck yeah, well, the US wasn't even get there very often we put out our effort, the United States is gonna get better for the next 134 years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, that's, that's the end goal, right, jesus? It's been a rough start of it as we've gotten up to now, but so before we we haven't even really dove in yet I kind of went a full circle on when we were starting off with If Radu, who is back here somewhere he's hiding yeah.
Speaker 1:We were talking about how he just got back from Romania and how he Was just like yeah, they're pretty much asking me to join the army, because there's like a drone that was downed. And then the rush is like is it, you know? Did? Did Romania do that is. And then they're like, well, romania's a NATO and it's just like this crazy. But they're literally like the militias going crazy. So, like being a world citizen, like what, just give me, like a quick, like what to do? Uh-oh, this is getting rough, or maybe it's not. What do you think?
Speaker 2:We don't have nuclear submarines, you know, 250 miles away from Florida. So I think we were better than the 1960s.
Speaker 1:You're saying, russia doesn't have nuclear submarines. I mean they're not.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah exactly a few hundred miles away from South Florida. So we did have the, the Cuban Missile Crisis. Yeah, so we've had worse times. Okay, this is a proxy war. Unfortunately, when a proxy war is, you know, in a country that is so close to us that we connect so much more, if this would have happened 40 years ago, nobody would be talking about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cuz, you know page number three of the New York Times. But now we're connected. You know, now war is a sickness, is seen as a sickness, it's all it has been. But now we know about it, we hear about and see it as as it's happening. Yeah, we're living that war, and if somebody comes with some bullshit statement that it's not happening, we're just, we're just not buying it, you know. So you could, you could hide for so long and so, again, I think that's what's happening is that we are just being as cautious as possible and it's a good time to be cautious.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree, and and I think Romania, just like every other boarding country of Ukraine, ukraine, is saying we already have to prepare ourselves for one of the biggest humanitarian crisis since since World War two. You know it could be. It's much bigger than what happened in Serbia and Bosnia and Montenegro, and Croatia at the time, with Yugoslavia, had its own moment, because we're talking a much larger population. It's also affecting the world economy and world trade a lot more. So no, I think it's more. Preparedness is more about consciousness, it's more about letting Russia know that the world is watching, and it's better to be safe than sorry.
Speaker 2:But if somebody tells me is this unprecedented. It was this, I would say, unexpected, but not Something that there was no possibility of it happening. This has been brewing up since they took Crimea. They also did that to Georgia. They went into Chechnya as well, and the world didn't react. The world said, bad, putin, yeah, bad put it, yeah. And there were some light sanctions, like he couldn't buy skateboards, things like that. But now you know the shits. Real Companies are shutting down for public relations. You know, trust me, mcdonald's doesn't really care about the health of people, they just don't.
Speaker 2:It's like we worry about the children. We want them to be obese by the age of 12. So no, it's just really about it's being in Russia right now. It's a real bad public relations disaster and I think it's the right response. I think the consumer has the power, not the people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the Consumers and that's.
Speaker 2:You know, it's not the people, it's the consumer. For example, babies no power, the parents of babies, Big power. They buy diapers, they buy formula, they buy toilet paper, they buy baby wipes. That's power, the power of purchasing.
Speaker 2:And today, consumer power is being seen today that companies are like let's get out of Russia. These are public relations nightmare and actually it could be a boost on our reputation. It's that cold. You know companies make money, lose money and you know there's no morality in growing a business and and feeding your stakeholder. But on the other hand, you know getting out quickly and being the we got out first. You know it's like pat in the back. They're like good for you. You know I'm gonna still buy Nike buddy, so but that's a good response. Yes, it's.
Speaker 2:Is it hypocritical? Sure, none of them really got out of. You know, stop selling stuff because of the Iraq war. And you did not see like IKEA saying we're closing stores. And In Michigan, because you guys entered Iraq. I don't like the head stores in Michigan at the time, but I'm just throwing out there. You know it didn't happen. So, yeah, you know it's. It depends on the temperature of the world and right now I think Romania is reacting. Lithuania, poland You're gonna see a lot of the country surrounding Ukraine, moldova. They're gonna be very, very cautious About the days to come.
Speaker 1:Well, speaking of kind of that, corporate lifestyle and maybe not no morality, but just kind of that whole thing. Can you tell us a bit about your background specifically and then we'll you? You have a Great entrepreneurial background, as of today too, which obviously we're gonna dive into, but kind of you grew up in all of these, you know South Africa, peru, but then you got educated in university in the US. You've read, I think, like what like 30 something Encyclopedia is about presidents or something like. Can you just tell us a bit of your background and kind of the US side of things? Yeah well, when I was, I arrived in Miami.
Speaker 2:My father was a great member of the United Nations, not the greatest entrepreneur God bless his soul. Good, good, good heart, bad pocket. But so we actually tried to open a business in Miami. We moved to Miami when I was 16 years old and I started university, small Catholic University called St Thomas University in Miami, and I always loved history. That was really my. What I wanted to be since like a historian, yeah, history teacher, oh, okay, yeah, yeah, so I. But then me being Also a math fan. Oh god.
Speaker 1:What I love mathematics and. When I saw how much they paid.
Speaker 2:I kind of Also did a degree in computer engineering, a computer information system, what it was called at the time. You kind of kept changing. They named my ass and you know we gave it multiple names, but computer information system was what was called at the time. So I kind of Did that and I was starting history and then later on I actually changed my major from history and I did a major in sociology. But I kept because, just because I in this thing, just because I couldn't be a history teacher, that didn't mean that I couldn't know, history.
Speaker 2:I added as many history class. I would tell my sociology teacher I could take these sociology class. But you count that credit and he'll be like wanting to become a history teacher. I'm like I'm just a history major. I'm like, oh man, I like sociology. So I kind of added as many history classes as I could but it was really a passion for me. We're very passionate about history and and really the anthropology of human behavior. So if you look at sociology, it's really the anthropology of human behavior. It's very hard to understand sociology. It's very hard to understand sociology If you don't understand history. So I kind of say history, like math, is the basis of science and history is the basis of social science.
Speaker 1:I like that. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:So if you don't know where shit came from, most probably you don't know shit.
Speaker 1:You know, do you think that History affects well, not only sociology, but do you like, how important is it and how much do you think our history has been either changed or rewritten? Being that it's such a passion yours like, how important is it Trying to gather all sources, I guess, because obviously history is written by the winners is a famous quote said by someone. But is that something that you see a lot in your studies and especially considering? It's a passion? I was just curious if you know anything about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I try to uh when I, when I learn about history, I try to avoid winners and losers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:You know really that it's the best history you get from from archaeologists and anthropologists.
Speaker 2:Okay, because, they tell you how people lived. You know, if somebody tells you, oh, there was a huge war here and there are thousands of people died, and you know, don't tell you that. And then a guy goes, a dude, I actually scanned the whole ground, no war, sorry, never happened. Because we know where wars happen and we leave, we leave marks. You know, dinosaurs in this area? No, we, no fossils. No, no, no, no fossils anywhere, but over there Lots of dinosaurs. So you know, by understate, get the science, you know. So history and science kind of mix together and and I really focus a lot, a lot of that today we have dna testing, we have carbon dating. It's like it just confirms the story. So we can hear a story. You're absolutely right. Uh, most of the history that I studied in the 80s is wrong.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, literally yeah you know uh.
Speaker 2:I took a whole Freaking class on the Anglo-Saxon, on the on the Saxon invasion of England, a whole class. And they had like, oh, it was these people and they arrived from this area and they told this whole story about the Saxon invasion. Then they did the analysis of the land and I was okay, where are the? Where the battles? And now they've kind of go. Maybe it wasn't an invasion, maybe it was a migration. It's like it's very different somebody breaking into your home, you know, and stealing, you know, your tv, yeah, versus a friend walking in your house and watching the game with you. Exactly, you know having some beer.
Speaker 2:It's a big difference and that's what we're talking about. So so again, you know, to get back, I was a. I was very passionate about history because it Whenever somebody told me something, uh, mangles are good for you, I'm like, okay, okay, let me, let me understand. Where's the study About mangas and that, like what I Saw it on Instagram, so it must be true. So no, I want to know and it's all. My Brazilian nuts are good for you.
Speaker 2:You know lowered heart disease or Excel for her Cholesterol control? We could talk about it. And there is actually an article in a study of 32,000 people for over 17 years. I was done and you could actually read the study. If you have the time, you could read the 378 page study or Take my word for it, but I will actually give you the study and, by the way, I am guessing them on a pages there, it just sounds. I have not counted them, but what I'm saying is that you know it's, you know, you, you, you actually have to have a follow-up question when somebody tells you oh, did you know that this is great for you? And I'm like details, please go on, exactly yeah where do you?
Speaker 1:get that information. Dude, you belong in the show me state which is. Missouri. That's obviously where I come from.
Speaker 2:Where it where in Missouri. I say obviously where in.
Speaker 1:Missouri is Kansas City. Yeah, no, I'm from Kansas City, but our. You know how every state in the US has a state motto, like it's on the license plate over. I think Sunshine State is Florida.
Speaker 2:Florida.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Missouri is the show me state and it essentially just means that, like you can say whatever the fuck you want, but show me and I'm not gonna believe you until you show me now.
Speaker 2:So I think you, just you belong in Missouri, man now, that's why I understand why when I went to Missouri I got like 28 deck picks.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's fair. Damn it.
Speaker 2:Now, now the thing is absolutely, absolutely and to me it's like you know. Give me the ingredients, man.
Speaker 2:Don't tell me that pudding is very healthy for me. What the hell is that pudding made out of? Is it made out of flour? Or she made out of almonds? So you know again, I want to understand and I don't come from a skeptic Point of view. It's like you want to know where, where things come from. It's okay, quit ask. It doesn't come from a bad place, it's the opposite. It's like you have my attention, like when a guy tells me did bro, wasn't this born? Like bid, like 23 guys. I'm like good for you, I have no interest in your story, exactly yeah. But if a person tells me a you know I was able to slice a tomato with a spoon I'm like okay, go on.
Speaker 1:That's you know. I'm like okay.
Speaker 2:How were you able to do that? I want some details about that magnificent, magnificent spoon, you know. So if I have no interest about something, I will not ask questions, because I'm not trying to ridicule anyone, which I did in the past. I used that. I used that power to to hurt people Just to embarrass them or do things like that, and then, but you know, they. But as you grow, as you mature those things I'm like no, no, I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm really interested in what you have to say and and I think there's a valid point in what you're saying, I just want to get a little more details on it. So it really comes from a good place to question, yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, I completely. That's Everyone who, whether I meet them or just doesn't understand that I'll have a few drinks and I'll be out at a bar and I will just get lost in as many conversations as possible and I'll find the most unique, odd people in the bar and just ask them a thousand questions Just because, like that's it I'm just curious about. Well, I don't know what it is that I find to talk about, but I just love to Find information and more perspectives from as many people as possible, because I think, at the end of the day, you know, like, if they say something that you're like what? No wrong, but hang on, why do you think that then that is cause for growth? And then, kind of, on top of that, at what point did we get from?
Speaker 1:Because when I was taught up, brought up in school, when, like, the internet was just becoming a thing, at what point did we go from Don't trust anything on the internet, verify, verify, verify, fact, check, do your own research to oh, it's on Instagram and Facebook. Ah, dude, it's gotta be true. Like what point did that flip? Because it flipped. It is definitely flipped and I just don't. I don't know when that happened, but yeah.
Speaker 2:It's terrifying, but that's because people don't know history.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly and full-circled. But literally you're right like and that's one thing that I love history to. I'm not saying I have your 34 encyclopedia, whatever knowledge but it's not, but it's, it's.
Speaker 2:It's like watching Star Wars, it's like Lord of the Rings. I have friends that are letter ring psychos. Yeah, they will. They will tell you the story of a story, of a story of shit that was invented, and I I find that fascinating. You know, I am a I'm a Nonfiction freak. I only care about nonfiction, except when he comes to a Lord of the Rings. Really, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:That's like I love Star Wars in Marvel, I don't know why. I like I kind of like Lord of the Rings, but like there are some weird things that I nerd out on hard, yeah, but I otherwise I'm nonfiction.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I totally agree about Valar's where Gandalf come from, and in Saren. Saren was really. You know more, really more. What was his name? Morgore, or whatever it's there was.
Speaker 1:He was the one real guy in Frodo.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no in exactly, but. But really there's a story behind the story. Yeah. And and it's it's pretty fascinating how a human can dedicate his life on creating such a fantastic story within a story, within a story. And and I think that's the beauty of Of creativity, which I personally do not have you know, I know where I'm good at and I'm very clear at areas that I am not, and I stick to what I'm good at, because, if not, I'm not doing a service to the world.
Speaker 1:I could not agree more, man, so kind of spinning that and just reeling back in because I feel like I've let us get to some more in land, which I love.
Speaker 1:So we've talked you've talked a bit about foods and kind of obviously people are like why is Fernanda throwing in how to cut a tomato with a spoon? I just wanted to kind of highlight one thing that you're trying to do right now in the entrepreneurial game, which is creating this what Natural food kind of delivery. Feel free to explain. And then, obviously, I want to ask you a few questions on top of that. But what is the entrepreneurial Startup that you're kind of going through right now here in Spain?
Speaker 2:Well, it's when I was in the United States I I realized very quickly that there's healthy foods and unhealthy foods. That's easy. Mcdonald's that's easy. Now, figure it out. The balance and the how much and and what does it give you is very difficult, right? So I get back to the anthropology of things. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:And one of the things that I I kind of, when somebody throws something at me, I Kind of say did we eat it 30,000 years ago? Because human evolution Did not starting to consume, you know, high fructose corn syrup until you know, early 60s or mid 70s, and it started to increase and increase and increase and so on. Where we are today and we, our bodies, haven't really don't understand that consumption of sugar really we're talking about.
Speaker 2:We started consuming sugar in the 1718 century, you know 19th century, and then again in the 20th century and 21st century. That just picked off. So you kind of go back to we've been, you know us as humans, to say the Homo sapiens, we've been walking the earth over, you know a hundred, two hundred thousand years, right, I'd say at a full evolved Presence. And what have we been eaten? And I'm like, well, 99% of those years we ate pretty basic shit. Right, we had apples and we had strawberries and we had fruit and we had berries, you know, and we we did have some animals, not a lot, because we did not have refrigeration, so we couldn't have cattle, because you kill the cow. Then what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2:You're gonna eat the whole damn cow, that's yeah you know, yeah, yes, then we came to salting, you know, around 8,000, maybe 9,000 years ago, maybe a little more, so you were able to preserve some foods. We did beef, jerky and so on, but that's really the latter part of the human existence. So our digestive systems did not evolve in 50 years, in a hundred years, in a thousand years. Our Digestive systems have evolved. In a hundred, two hundred, three hundred four thousand, a million years Our digestive system has been evolving.
Speaker 2:So I kind of went again, went through history and understanding the anthropological part of the human body and so, okay, so what do we need Right? What do we need to perform properly? What do we need to be good, you know, for our body to go? You did well today, sir. You did well. So you kind of go back to some of the answers that we know. We know how many, we have a pretty good idea Of how many vitamins we have to consume, how many minerals we have to consume and what phytochemicals are good for you and for what.
Speaker 2:We have done a lot of scientific research on food, literally every pharmaceutical study. Before they come up with this particular pill, they studied some based Product, plant-based product or mineral product, you know, and they studied that, and then they derived the medicine. So we have so much study on minerals, on vitamins and on plants and so on that we have the data. And so I kind of said, if we need all these different things, why can't we just build a diet that covers those things? Why don't we have a diet that every day you're eating your vitamins, every day you're eating your minerals and every day you're needed the most essential phytochemicals, and it kind of and I said, shit, why not try it myself? And for many years I started eating that way. Well, not stop drinking?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, which I want to highlight in a second, it is yeah you know it's my sin.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I started noticing changes in in in skin and inflammation in the body, in energy, in stress levels. You know I am in. I feel better Ten years, ten years later. So I feel better at 42 than I did at 32 and for most people would say you look better, your skin tones better. You know you look fitter. So, yes, there is that, that goes away. You know, time times a bitch right, but it's about that feeling I sleep better. You know I have more energy when I walk around, I have less pain in my body. That's not supposed to happen. It's supposed to work the other way.
Speaker 1:I'm feeling that now you know so.
Speaker 2:I did see the benefits of that, and so what I call the concept of eating was multitarian. You know it's mostly a plant-based diet, it's mostly vegetarian, but it does include some animal. You know some. I recommend a lot of anti-inflammatory animal foods, which its eggs could be anti-inflammatory, but depends where the egg came from. You know, also, fish. It's extremely high in nutrients. It's an anti-inflammatory animal food. I recommend those yogurt you know. So there's a lot of animal products that I did recommend. It is 10, maybe 15% of the recommendation of the diet itself.
Speaker 2:But again, you require that to have your basic needs from natural foods. So I don't know a vegan that can. Where are they gonna get their vitamin B12? Oh, we take pills and I'm like. So you're gonna tell me that 30,000 years ago Some guy was taking pills. No, so I'm not anti. I think vegan diets are great. I think you can take B12, no problem.
Speaker 2:It's a choice of life that you are trying, but if you look at the complete anthropological history of the human body, there's something missing. You know, small amounts, but we did have a small amount of animal consumption in our diets. So I kind of look at it that way and really the business is, I'm gonna put it all together for you and I'm gonna sell to you in packages that you can put in your fridge for the next seven, eight days, and every day you could eat like a multi-tarian, and sometimes you might skip it, you know. But then the next day you kind of I always tell look, if you can do it five times a week, great. If you could do it four, all right, if you could do it two, it's better to do it once a week than not do it at all.
Speaker 2:So it's kind of like something that gives more to you. It's building. Anytime you consume this, you're building, you're doing something good for the body and so on. So that's kind of like when the idea came from, about developing this. And I chose Seachess because, like you said, it's a melting pot of cultures, ideas. You talking about the rich, the poor, you know, the well-educated, like Trump says, the undereducated the under. I love the undereducated.
Speaker 1:Dude people are gonna be like is Donald Trump just on this podcast?
Speaker 3:I'm ready, I'm always at the back, I'm always around. Thank you, Donald.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, it's so good, Like you can literally hear it in the headphones and I'm like that's Donald Trump.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not saying the undereducated. That's a horrible thing to say so, again, it's a melting pot of culture. It's a melting pot of social standing, if you wanna call it that, of languages, of foods. And I thought, man, if I wanna do a focus group of this type of product, Seachess would be the perfect place.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, so speaking, I wanted to kind of break down. I know you talk about colors and foods being a big thing, like magnesium being essential to pick up calcium and milk.
Speaker 2:Not in milk in general. Wait, Magne In other words calcium. If you consume calcium, you have to consume magnesium, Cause otherwise your body doesn't take it right, Otherwise you wanna absorb it.
Speaker 1:That was mind blowing to me is that you can drink, cause I love milk, literally for the calcium and the bones. That's what you've been told. But you don't. Even you can drink as much calcium as you want, but unless you have magnesium, that's right. And how do you get magnesium?
Speaker 2:Throw an almond in there or have some dark chocolate with it.
Speaker 1:So what do you think about almond milk and stuff like that?
Speaker 2:To me. I eat almonds.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, cause not 30,000 years ago?
Speaker 2:There you go oh, I'm getting it, I'm getting it, that's one, that's one.
Speaker 1:So, speaking of kind of that entrepreneurial product in Spain, I know you're kind of in that MVP stage. You've had, obviously, you own your own restaurant, nijibar in Spain, which is a gluten free restaurant which we can touch on and sugar free on the rice and sugar free.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sushi, they incorporate a lot of sugar. So I am. There are three powders that I don't recommend, and it's from worst, you know, to best. Okay, these are the top worst white powders Sugar flour and cocaine.
Speaker 1:I knew it. I knew that they're gonna miss the cut man. I was just waiting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's from worst to better. So that's how bad sugar and flour are. So, yeah, they're fillers, they mask things. They're the great disguise, because it just makes everything taste better. You can flour a piece of shit and fry it and you'll be like they're just pretty good. What is this? Garbanzo beans? It's like no, no, it's dog shit. But I put flour around it and I dip fried it and you're eating it.
Speaker 1:There's some sugar on it too, make it taste a little better.
Speaker 2:It's dessert. So, yeah, they're fillers, they're things that mask things, they're things to lower cost, they're things to add preservation, you know, and they're bad for you, just like pretty much anything that it's out there to disguise something that's not good. You grab a very bad alcohol, you throw in some sugar in it and it's drinkable. So worse the alcohol is the more sugar you throw in there. That's so true.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so kind of going from that in understanding your background you had on top of the restaurant you've had a pretty vast expertise in like sales corporate life. You tried to get away from that a bit when you moved over here to Spain but they said please don't leave. So you're still kind of flirting with that. But how has the launch and kind of, can you explain for all the entrepreneur wannabes out there the MVP process of getting that minimum viable product to what your end goal will be and then, yeah, explain a bit about how that process has gone, what your thoughts have been in that product to launch?
Speaker 2:Sure, doing business in Spain is very difficult.
Speaker 1:Which I also wanna talk about.
Speaker 2:Yes, Pretty much for me was, first of all, let's get the science, let's get the products. So we know which products would be required to put the product together. But then it has to be something different. If I would be cooking the product, I'm sure I'll get a few people to eat it for a while and they'll be like Fernando on border of my mind. It is great. I feel the healthiest I've ever been and I wanna kill myself. So no, I'm not a chef. I don't know how to cook to a level for other people's taste buds. I wanna make sure that it's something, that it generates joy while you're eating the product. So I do have a partner here, a local chef here in Spain. It was fantastic.
Speaker 2:So you have to line up who are the players in there, and then you do have to go to the lowest common denominator. Do not complicate yourself, because the problem is that when you go too big, you have too many expenses and when you make too much of an investment, you wanna recuperate that investment as fast as possible and it kind of kicks away the philosophy that you started this with Most. Starbucks didn't start to be what it is today. Amazon didn't start to be what it is today. A lot of this started with this concept of we're gonna make things better and at the end it just became overly corporate and right now, a lot of these businesses in some cases are doing more harm than good to society. So to me, it's depends why are you doing it? Are you doing it for money? Are you doing it to create more well-being around the world? And I think that's one thing that I want to do. This project, this is not just a business. I think it needs to be sustainable. If not, the second Fernando goes away. People are like this shouldn't make any money and they'll just discard it, although change it, although do whatever they have to do for the business to survive. So it needs to be sustainable, but trying to make it sustainable but, at the same time, not breaking its core essence of well-being. And I kind of wake up every time in the morning and I go okay, what do I have to do today to generate well-being? Or, as case scenario, just be neutral and under no case whatsoever create negative vibes or bad feelings or walk in a room and make things people feel uncomfortable. So it's about that to me, and nutrition.
Speaker 2:I thought we talked about my concept when I built this thing, I said there was three steps in the circle of life to me, which is the physical, the psychological and the sociological right. And the big part of the physical would include the fuel and the movement. So if you provide yourself with the right nutrients, your body will respond properly. And then you have to move that body with physical activity. I don't call it exercise, I'm not telling people to do CrossFit or climb mountains, but I'm saying you need that physical activity for your body to perform right. So that's a physical side the correct nutrients and the right movement.
Speaker 2:When you prepare your body to physically be able to achieve what your brain wants, then you feel good, and feeling good is as contagious as feeling bad. So true, so the more people feel good, the better the world is. And when people wake up in the morning and say, well, there's nothing I can do to change the world, they're wrong. Because if you wake up and you tell yourself, in a minimum factor, I'm going to generate some wellbeing today, it's just a smile, it's seeing some garbage on the floor and picking it up and putting it in the bin, or even in your own home For all those young people 14, 15, 16, 18 year olds that still live with their parents and they want in their word about climate change. They should start with the basics, which is cleaning their own fucking room.
Speaker 1:Says the father. Apparently you know you want to win your parents Start with that it's like you know, I want to clean the environment.
Speaker 2:It's like pick up your shit, man. Your socks on the floor are not going to help the environment. So little things. It's just generating wellbeing. And start with the inner part. Start with your significant other, start with your partner, and how do I generate wellbeing with that person? Then go to your family members, go to your friends, go to your community and it's like how can I generate wellbeing? We all can generate wellbeing, we all have that ability just by not being an asshole automatically.
Speaker 1:That helps quite a bit. That helps, yeah, it really does. So I kind of looked at it that way.
Speaker 2:So if you can take it but you don't take care of the physical, there's no fucking way you're going to generate wellbeing, because the second you wake up you're going on a downhill. So I said, what's the essence of generating wellbeing? And it starts with the physical. When people says, well, my mind is not ready to eat better, or my mind is not ready to stop smoking, my mind is not ready, you know, to cut drinking. My mind is not ready to be more physically active, no, no, it's the opposite. Be physically active, eat better, stop putting toxins in your body, so then your mind can be better. So true, you know you can't walk backwards for a very long period of time. So that's one of the things that I said. Look, if I find a smoker right and I'm not going to convince him to stop smoking I might make a dent. You know, I tell him how much he spent per pack. That was about five dollars, australia.
Speaker 3:And you. Well, he's a lot more than Exactly, so I can tell him. Well, I could give him the math.
Speaker 2:It's like you're spending 400, 500, $600, you know a month on cigarettes. You know you cut that in half, you save $300. So mathematics might be able to help that person cut down. But instead of doing that, I'm like look, you want to smoke, I get it. Why don't we do something to improve your lungs and improve your kidneys by eating better? And funny enough, when people start eating better and they start feeling better, guess what? They do less.
Speaker 1:Smoke, smoke less. Well, that was one of the things you were saying to me. Being a drinker, if you've seen the podcast cover, I have beers in it. It was one of the big things was that you said beats or whatever Hell you're saying look have my diet, like, just eat it and it'll make you feel better. But I'm not saying you have to stop drinking. I'm saying that when you're drinking, eat the right foods to make sure your liver doesn't just implode. Like, can you kind of talk about a bit about well drinking specifically?
Speaker 2:Sure, I'll give you the example of a motorbike. Right, if you find a guy who loves driving faster than a motorbike, you know, and he goes this crazy routes and he likes to jump things and so on, and you go to him and tell him look man, I'm not telling you to stop riding a bike. Why didn't you just put on these fucking helmet and put some pads on your shoulders and your knees? You know the probability when you fall. It's a lot better than if you don't have it.
Speaker 2:So I kind of put it that way I tell people to eat a lot of spinach, why Spinach, or beet or kale or chards cruciferous greens mostly are very high in betaine and that's something that protects your liver, you know. And there are other phytochemicals that protect your kidneys as well. So what I tell people is like, why don't we focus on protecting what you have so you can enjoy what you enjoy? Right, let's start with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, funny enough, with time you start focusing more on feeling good than trying to cover those. You know, geez, what's the word cravings, yeah, yeah because your mind's a bit sharper.
Speaker 1:Eh, Right, right.
Speaker 2:So I kind of I don't want to twist your arm and tell you quit smoking. It's disgusting. The problem is not the cigarette, the problem is you. You know what I mean. So you kind of lose the narrative. And then people come back and say, well, I know my grandfather. He lived until he was 98 and he was smoked like a goddamn chimney.
Speaker 1:Well, I can say the exact opposite story about my grandma.
Speaker 2:So Well, out of one 98-year-old grandpa, there are about I don't know 1.4 million grandmas Of the others, yeah.
Speaker 1:So, kind of speaking on the health, I really want to highlight Spain, but before we get to Spain and kind of the entrepreneurial environment here and I guess why you chose Spain I would really wanted to highlight what we're talking about with this food. What do you think about things like Beyond Meat? I'm assuming, being an investor Fernando wears all hats, in case you guys aren't aware, he is an investor, a legendary entrepreneur, salesman, all of these things but one of the other things he does is know a lot about foods, a shit ton about foods, and so I'm really, really interested about what you think about things like Beyond Meat, not for the investing side of things, but for the health side of things.
Speaker 2:Well, impossible Burger or Beyond Meat, it's goo right. They're trying to substitute a feeling with a chemical process of making you think that you're eating meat.
Speaker 1:It's that whole mind-firing thing. Do you remember the?
Speaker 2:sugar, yeah, the flour. Well, beyond Meat is just trying to substitute sugar and flour with another sugar or flour. I believe their approach it's more trying to make people think they're eating healthier, but they're not. A lot of it is fillers, a lot of it is chemicals and sauces that are not naturally billed or made. But, on the other hand, I see companies like Eurah right here in Spain, in Catalunya, that they are doing something very similar to Beyond Meat, but they're only using natural products. Really, yes, can you elaborate on that? Sure, actually, you could actually go and flip the product and look at Beyond Meat's ingredients, and you would have to have a PhD in chemistry.
Speaker 1:To know what the hell's in there. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, but if you grab Eurah and you flip it around, all you would have to know is vegetables, seeds, fruits and legumes, because they were able to use those products and create a fantastic product. It's more expensive, like Beyond Meat is cheaper in Catalunya than Eurah Really, and Eurah is made in Catalunya. Yeah, yeah, yeah Right.
Speaker 1:Geez.
Speaker 2:So it's a product that, for example, in Mysushi we have vegan meat and vegan chicken and we use this company. I got no connection, eurah. No relation, no connection with the company at all. It's just that they make a healthy product and it tastes pretty darn good. But again, I try to look at that. Just because it's vegan doesn't mean it's healthy. Right Flour is vegan, sugar is vegan, cocaine is vegan, heroin is vegan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, you know so sodast is vegan.
Speaker 2:So what I'm saying is that. So that's the thing. I do believe that these type of companies are gonna succeed if they focus towards health and not just the substitute of other products. Would I invest in Beyond Meat? No, did I invest in Beyond Meat in the past? Yes, that was coming. When I realized what they did, I moved away, not because I thought my moral compass said oh how, you can't invest in companies that don't do good to people. Now, my money does not discriminate. You know. I do buy pharmaceutical companies that make pills for diabetics, you know. But on the other hand, I thought it's just not smart. I think a lot of people that will turn to veganism, especially today, are turning because they're looking for healthier options and very quickly they're starting to realize that maybe veganism is not for me, but it's a great start. So I tell people, you know, if you're thinking of going vegan, go vegan, try it out, try it for a week, try it for a month, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I tried. I successfully made it, I think, I think 48 hours.
Speaker 2:I started to feel weak. I started to feel like weak.
Speaker 1:I was like what's happening? Literally all my mind was telling me. When I wanted food, I was like give me meat. Like I don't care what kind of meat it is. I need bacon burger.
Speaker 2:I need a dead animal right now Right.
Speaker 1:And I was like I don't know, like that's gotta be, I don't know. But no, I totally agree with everything that you say.
Speaker 2:But again, you're absolutely right. One of the things that we have, for example, is a menu of vegan sushi and, trust me, we dedicate a lot of time to make it taste good. It's a lot harder to make vegan products taste as good as other products. I think we did a pretty darn good job and I would love to invite Greta and you over to have some just vegan sushi night. We can do it on Thursday, which is there's a special If you guys come tomorrow we actually have vegan Thursdays.
Speaker 1:Really yes, but not only are you trying to make vegan stuff, you're making vegan like non-gluten, non-sugar. That's gonna be so much harder.
Speaker 2:But that's exactly so. How do you make something vegan without adding flour and without adding sugar, Because that's what vegans do just throw a bunch of sugar and you delete it.
Speaker 2:Or pilot with sodium or salt, and so really you need to mask the tastes. And yeah, we didn't have to do that. It's like, like I said, I'm not a good chef, I'm not a good cook, but others are, luckily, and I know them. So that was one way of making the vegan product line actually quite, not only quite tasteful and fulfilling, but also popular. It's actually one of our most popular products.
Speaker 1:So, moving on to the thing that I'm most interested in, maybe for selfish reasons, but the entrepreneurial environment here in Spain. What made you want to? Because I know you travel back to the US quite often, you have contacts and you work there and live there for a long time. What made you want to start and launch your product here in Catalonia? And so you just in Spain? Mostly selfish reasons.
Speaker 2:Okay, nice, I love this place. When my wife and I came here, maybe in 2011, we just fell in love. We fell in love with the town and we bought an apartment in 2013, which you've seen. It's a small place, quite cozy, and we used to come here all the time and it was our happy place. It really became our happy place. And after, when COVID actually before COVID happened in 2008, in 2018, I told my wife why don't we just leave? 25 years later, it's like people tell me how do you do that? And I say just do it. You don't, you can't. Why leave the US? Leave the US? Yeah, because you think about it. Right, look at the typical American family they've got a mortgage, they've got two kids, you have two cars.
Speaker 1:You're describing my family perfectly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they got a 401K, they're paying into Social Security, they have good credit, so it's easy for them. Some of them, not all of them, but talking about the guys, people have made it right. One's a doctor, the other one is an integral. It could be a business owner, it could be a director, a vice president in a company. People will be like well done, but then you look around and there's fucking no essence. You're like, okay, so Now what.
Speaker 2:Now what? No, not only now what it's like. My kids are in the house watching TV all day long. They don't go outside. You know, my wife and I literally have to go through trenches, you know, to be able to be in a place where we enjoy each other. So it's a struggle just to enjoy each other, you know it's. Why is it so hard? We always have to worry about so many things. Logistics is a nightmare.
Speaker 1:In the US. You think comparatively?
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, you need a car to go everywhere.
Speaker 1:I was just thinking logistics in regards to, like, delivery services. Oh hell, no, that's don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2:You've got logistics oh, you want people to take shit to your house? Oh, dude, Amazing, Amazon has like on the same day, oh, you go to a bank and you feel like a god. It's like I will open a business account done. Yeah, it's like well, you haven't even received my name. You know like you're fine, mr Purzall, we know everything about you. You know it's like so easy Cause America loves money.
Speaker 2:America loves money, anything that has to do about making money, saving money. You know you have a credit card that gives you 3% on every time you go and dine, spend, go out there and spend and be free and pay very high interest if you don't pay us on time. But it is. It's a consumer and I think I have. We had a moment if my wife and I wouldn't have kids, maybe we wouldn't have come here, but I wanted my kids to walk free on the street without me worrying about, you know, there now being any sidewalks in those places. So it was more of a. We wanted to change your lifestyle. It was a very personal decision Now. It wasn't an entrepreneurial decision. Yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 2:The Spanish government is the opposite of the United States. They want all your money. You know, literally you come here you're gonna pay for the bank, you're gonna pay fees up your asshole because they don't trust the people. You know they don't trust the people and it's very different to the United States. The United States is like I trust you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so before we go further because I do want you to go further, I've noticed that and I kind of already know where this is going. It really just comes down to the mindset, I feel, of the governments of, well, Spain. But why, where is that lack of trust? Why is that lack of trust already kind of there, Like what is that?
Speaker 2:I think there's an historical factor here in Spain of extreme fear when it was a dictatorial state, to the aftermath, when that dictatorial state stopped and you get rid of that fear and you can't really send soldiers to their house. And I think also it's not a systemic problem just in Spain, it's a systemic problem in Portugal, it's a systemic problem in Spain, it's a systemic problem in Italy, it's a systemic problem in Greece. People that live near the beach and have a lot of sun tend to be a little more laxed and there is this sense of people looking for shortcuts, right, and I think the government just assumes that everyone is, that everyone is gonna take a shortcut.
Speaker 1:How do you fix that? How do you get the general populace to say hey guys, if we just stop taking shortcuts together, it'd be a bit better for everyone.
Speaker 2:That's a very American thing.
Speaker 1:Do you think that's not practical?
Speaker 2:I think that the government, because you're absolutely right, but everybody will say yes.
Speaker 1:And then 50% will do the opposite.
Speaker 2:And the other 50% after they realized that the other 50% didn't do it.
Speaker 1:They were like we're not gonna do it either. That's so true.
Speaker 2:So I think that it's a cultural issue, that Spain would need to find ways of generating income, that it doesn't come from the general population. In other words, the people that pay the most taxes in Spain are not the big corporations.
Speaker 1:It's the autonoma.
Speaker 2:It's a self-employed that opens their own business and they are literally carrying the weight of the country in their back, and you could be working 40, 50, 60 hours and coming home with $1,400.
Speaker 1:A month. Yeah, Just for the people who were like, oh, 1,400, that's no, a month A month.
Speaker 2:And rent is 900. Yeah, so I think that Spain will have to change. They have to. They have to.
Speaker 2:It's not a sustainable system. It will eat up into their economy. I do think that, changing towards credit cards, I thought that that will have more income represented and Spain would get more taxes from its purchases. But what did they do? No, they did the opposite. They actually raised the charge for the autonoma, and it's just now. It's about politicians taking care of politicians. It's not about the people. It's really about job security and it repeats around the world, so it's not something that is Spain specific. You find it a lot in Southern Europe, this situation. How do you work around it? Do we want?
Speaker 2:to record this part Well it's okay In the way it's like. Don't do things without understanding what you're doing. Yeah, number one get a good gesture Lawyer, accountant, lawyer that's number one. Number two understand your immigration status. If you become a resident, then you have to pay everything you have. So the first thing is under understand what rules you're playing within. Second of all, I recommend every single person to follow that mid-Romney strategy.
Speaker 1:What does the mid-Romney strategy?
Speaker 2:Corporations are people, my friend. So if you're an American and you want to come to Spain, you must not exist. You must become a corporation. Do not charge anybody for any service. No, it's your name, llc, that charges people for things, because Spain will ask for your personal wealth.
Speaker 1:So you're saying that if you come to Spain, have a corporation outside of Spain in?
Speaker 2:the US.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's kind of what I'm doing. Right. Yep, Can we highlight how and why Spain is actively doing this to itself? Because one I'm over here right now and I'm an American and I'm going through a partner visa to get citizenship here and I wanted to open up a business here, but that's the last thing I want to do now because of how they just.
Speaker 1:It's like a 40% across the board, which makes it damn near impossible to just run a business, unless you wanted to hemorrhage money, especially not to like considering in the US it takes what two to five years to even turn a profit. That's when they're not taxing you 40% and you have all the tax systems on your side. So like why?
Speaker 2:It's a great question. I think it's. There's multiple factors. I think one is just plain laziness. Changing the laws is complicated. The other thing is that do you think they've been screwing the Spanish people for such a long time? Imagine they're like oh Americans, You're cool. Literally You're cool. No, Come over here, open a bar and pay no taxes, Not like Jorge over here has been doing this for 35 years and we've been fucking him up the ass. Yeah, no, you see.
Speaker 1:But then the Spanish, I guess, populace isn't as actively involved from this is from an outsider's opinion in politics, Are they? They're not, they don't. Again, it's that beach vibe of fuck it who gives a shit. I'm living my life, or is that not accurate at all? I think it's very social.
Speaker 2:I think you're going to find that Spaniards are very involved in politics when it comes to social issues, protesting about, you know, female equality, you know women equality. Or protesting against gay rights, or protesting against fascism, or protesting against, you know, filled the blank of social issue. But now, when it comes to corporate decisions by the government, no, you're absolutely. They don't go around saying if I was an autonoma, I'll be protest, I'll be burning cars. Right now, you know, what they're doing to the self employed. It is, it's, it's literally, you know, self destructive.
Speaker 1:Well it well, rights are one thing, because, like you, can obviously give rights to everyone that costs no money. But in regards to like social programs, they're paid for by a good entrepreneurial class.
Speaker 2:No, the thing is that they're paid a lot of it by the autonomous. Well, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:But when you're screwing that class long term and the Sarahs and the and the.
Speaker 2:The big companies like Repsol and the big, those companies, they have agreements with the government. They pay less. But the United States does charge taxes. But the small business, they say it I'm not going to charge you taxes. Man, play your game, I'm going to let you grow. I know out of a hundred, two are going to make it, but the two that are going to make it, I'm going to make it big and we're going to make money of those big businesses. The other guys they're surviving man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they're employing a bunch of people, paying for a bunch of things, and it's not like they're not paying taxes, like they're still paying. They're paying taxes, they're paying Social.
Speaker 2:Security. They're going out there, they're feeding the circle right and you trust them. You know IRS says it's all right, Just don't fuck with me. Yeah, exactly, Exactly.
Speaker 1:And, as an entrepreneur, that's the last thing you want to do, because if you fuck with them, I'm going to be cool with you.
Speaker 2:Right, I'm going to be cool with you. But if you're not cool with me, you're going to jail. You know here, not a lot of people are in Spain in jail for not paying taxes. They say they're going to go to jail. The judge says they're going to go to jail. Nobody goes to jail In the United States. You don't pay taxes. Your ass is in jail. In jail, yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, so I do think they're very different systems. The system in the United States is like we know you're going to pay taxes because you're not stupid. In Spain is that we know you will not pay taxes because you're not stupid, you know. So it's a little bit of the opposite. Now, if you like living here, you have to find the way and the reason why. And the way is to simplify. Don't overcomplicate. If you're going to open a business here in Spain, it needs to be a business to generate sustainability, but your growth needs to come from somewhere else.
Speaker 1:Best advice you could ever give.
Speaker 2:Let the company in the United States make the money and the company in Spain sustain the life. Okay, you know, and once in a while the business in the United States lends money to the business in Spain, it lifts it.
Speaker 1:So I guess that kind of just full circles back to the question of if that is true, obviously you have your sustainability with your sushi. What is the thought, I guess, then? To do your multi-terrain, what's it called?
Speaker 2:exactly yeah multi-terrain.
Speaker 1:No, but the company.
Speaker 2:I didn't mention it. It's going to be called. We're still developing. It's going to be called Gambida.
Speaker 1:Gambida, that's right. So what is the thought to launch Gambida here just because of the love of the culture? Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 2:No, I think initially I'm here. So that's one of the things. I am the number one. I'm going to be the number one customer. You know how hard it is to cook a multi-terrain meal. I'm talking about maybe 25 to 30 different vegetables, fruits, seeds. It's a pain in the ass and I do it every day. I spent about an hour prepping food and I would love for a company just to sell it to me. So I'm building, so that's one of the things. It's like I'm like every time I tell somebody about being a multi-terrain, they're like oh, I sold and they go, so what do I have to do? And I kind of, as I'm talking, I'm losing them.
Speaker 1:They're like oh, that sounds like way too much work.
Speaker 2:So I have to cut the broccoli. Really, can you just seeds also? Which seed? All of them? I have to buy all of the seeds. I only know one seed. I have to look that online. So it's pepperous, it's garlic, it's onions. It's like never mix garlic and onions. Fuck that, mix them all. It's all good for you. Like you find all these health gurus, nobody. Kale. You have to try kale. And acai, acai, fentah. All you got to do is eat acai. Can you name shit that people can spell?
Speaker 1:I feel like.
Speaker 2:Trump just almost came back.
Speaker 3:So, guys, he's such a great thing. I had a Brazilian friend. Great people, great people. They know how to dance. Do the Lombada, the Lombada.
Speaker 2:There's like really Lombada. It's like from the 80s bro so.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean. At the same time, though, this is a really good place to have it, because, man, the Latin European culture I was literally just having this conversation last night with Greta because she will not and refuses to buy I was like, can we just get some F and ready meals throw in the microwave so I can be done? So, because obviously that's not what you're about. But I was like, sometimes, when I've cooked, you know a meal every week or every day of the week for lunch and dinner, which is what happens here and you know she's like I'm so done cooking, you cook. I was like, okay, if it's my choice, I just want to put something in the microwave and be done, but it's a no, you could, but the microwave is not up.
Speaker 2:The microwave is not a bad thing, don't get me wrong. The problem is the food that you throw in that you're buying, that you're putting it tends to be 80 percent flour. Yeah, really, it tends to be most probably something with pasta, right or hot pockets.
Speaker 1:Well, everything I eat nowadays is pasta, considering she's Italian.
Speaker 2:But you could go with other types. You could go with a buckwheat which is arraseno, you could go with lentil, you can go with. There's so many good quality pastas out there today. So the problem is the flour, the products that they're using to make the pasta, and flour has never been a very highly nutritious product since its beginning. Since its inception, it helps from a starvation. That's about it.
Speaker 1:So obviously you're very familiar with history. Do you think that there is much? Because what? Before World War I, there was a big talk about how the population was going to starve and we had this food crisis, and so then we started kind of reproducing food. It might have been World War II, I'm not exactly sure, but there was this big talk about how the scientific community realized, hey, we need to start developing food in different ways to produce for the population. Obviously, the population from World War I is vastly larger now, which has carried over into why we produce foods in the ways we do now. And do you think it's sustainable? Or do you think we can go back to a time or a place in which allows proper eating, proper actual foods?
Speaker 2:You know, actually it was something that happened after World War I, and one was that people don't read a lot of history. As we already mentioned, we had a soil problem in the United States and around the world that we were destroying fertile land because of farming. What it was doing, it was just being plotted incorrectly. It was the same product. Equipment was introduced that would just hit the layer. It wasn't breaking the ground, it wasn't breathing the land, the soil, and what happened is that the land started becoming agrid and actually there was a huge program in the United States to change all that. So all these ideas like how do we make wheat stronger? How do we make soybeans stronger? How do we make things go better so pests don't eat it? So, yes, there was this famine fear around the world and, trust me, in the 20s, 30s, 40s, hundreds of thousands of millions of people were dying of famine. Yeah, not so much. Today, more people are dying of heart attacks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Obesity literally.
Speaker 2:Obesity right now most probably is the biggest human threat in the world right now. The problem is that, yeah, they saw like we need ways and they changed actually the genetics of wheat. Today the wheat that we grow has changed. The wheat that we grew in the 50s is not the wheat that we grow today. You know it grows a lot Faster Everywhere it's biologically changed. Is that bad?
Speaker 2:for us. Yeah, it's bad because there's no more wild wheat anymore very few wild wheat. You know I would have to research more on that. I don't have all the information, but I know that most of the wheat that we eat today, it's pretty much genetically modified from the past. You know, wheat changed to be able to grow everywhere, and that was the idea In the past. It was like we're going to have a population crisis, right? So how do you solve world population? And people were saying, oh my God, we're going to keep growing. We need to feed the world. How do we do that? Instead of whoa, how do we just stop growing, you know? And no, it's not by creating a disease in a lab that's going to kill 90%, 80% of the population. And your mother it's like. The guy at the lab was like oh, I'm going to make this disease that's going to kill all these people. What about your mom, dude? Yeah, no, it doesn't work that way. So how do you stop world population? That's the problem.
Speaker 2:The world was going to become too many people, and it was just one factor, man. It was one factor that stopped population growth, and it's just one, which is women education. The more women are educated, the more they tell the guy fuck you, get off me, I'm not having a fucking, I'm not having a baby, or I'm not having another baby, you know I want to be an engineer.
Speaker 2:So as more women got educated, with literally the, if you look at the literacy rate of women in the 1950s and literacy rate today, you're talking about a 40, 50, 60% factor difference.
Speaker 1:In the 1950s. Yeah, wow. So you, you, you. But the population is worldwide, I mean, but the population is growing.
Speaker 2:It's a lot more, yeah, but it's curving.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I'll give you, I'll throw some.
Speaker 1:I think we're living longer because of health.
Speaker 2:We're living longer, but it's, but it's curving Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Because I know what China, I think India is the only one you at like all these places are in the world.
Speaker 2:India is flat now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they're like now it's about to start curving down. Exactly Now they're flat. It's going to start curving down.
Speaker 2:So even China, china's population is already declining. Japan has been declining for years. Russia has been declining for years. You know, you know who told the communists to teach their women how to read? You know, but it's, you know, I've say that physically but, what I'm saying is that the more, the higher level of education women have in third world countries, the lower the population you're going to have. Wow, if the guy says, oh, I want seven kids and she's like you, bear them motherfuckers, you know it's, it's it's it's what's going to happen.
Speaker 2:So I do believe that there's going to be a curve down. I don't know how fast, how fast it's going to be, but I, based on some research that I've seen, we're going to peak out in the 20, in 2050, maybe a 10 billion, 11 billion maybe, but then it's going to start coming down. Spain negative population, italy, negative population, sweden, norway, finland, united States If it wasn't for immigration, the United States will have lower levels of population. So so it's, it's all that. But don't people? You know? They have to understand that they want a better quality of life. So the spends per capital is actually going to increase. So it's good news. Yeah, we're going to have less people, but each person is going to consume more, is going to spend more money, so it'll be a more productive population. Nice, so I have, I'm I'm an optimist.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah. Well, and that that also just shows, like everyone's saying, oh God, you know, XYZ is going to explode. It's a terrible. We're living the worst time in human history. First off, this is amazing. I've just portably brought a freaking microphones to what's up. It was a question about. What you said is. Recently, Elon Musk said the opposite. People should have more kids.
Speaker 2:Yes, he's afraid that the world population is going to decline too fast. He's going to peak down, and he understands that, because people are not having any children.
Speaker 1:And if, if you guys couldn't hear that, uh, Radu, who is our amazing bartender, we are so gracious to be in Jenta right now.
Speaker 2:He snicked us in what's up? He snicked us in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he snuck in there. He said Elon Musk actually said the opposite, which is that people should be having more babies.
Speaker 2:Elon Musk should be having more babies. I'm sure he can pay for them, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, he might as well have them all right.
Speaker 2:He could have 800 kids. They'll be fine.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know million per couple, of million per child. It's a. He could have 8,000 kids and he'll be fine. So instead of telling people to have more children, he should just go to you know Iraq, palestine, ukraine, you know Somalia, and just adopt a whole bunch of little children and send them out to space.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Uh, no, but. But I totally agree. But it's funny, though, that you know we say these things like oh, this, you know the world is going and this is the worst time, when I was just saying that it's not a bad time to live. We have energy, we have air, aircon, we have this amazing thing. But it's also just maybe, if we are patient, educated and communicate with one another, everything's going to be all right, if we just, you know, talk to each other. What do you think about?
Speaker 2:that You're absolutely right. We live in the best of times, but our mind thinks it's in the worst of times. We, so we, I'm telling you we've got two universes. We've got the real universe and then we've got the meta universe. And the meta universe is everybody feeling anxious, everybody feeling stressed.
Speaker 1:Well, and it comes down to the fact is because that's how it has been designed, because it's not been designed around your pleasure. It's been designed to exploit you and sell you to the highest bidder. It's been created specifically and purposefully to go into your mind, figure out your weaknesses and then use those weaknesses to to create thoughts.
Speaker 2:For example, this this situation is horrible situations happening in Ukraine. I tell people it's not about you. People want to connect their issue that they're fighting for and connected with Ukraine. You know, you can see people from the right, you know, saying, oh, it's because of uh, they took the government from Russia, used to have a government and they stated a government and it's a, it's a regime that wasn't supposed to be there. And then, but on the other side of the left, you've got people saying, oh, it's about you know, trans, transgender rights and gay rights. And I'm like what? No wait, whoa, whoa. You know it's not about you. Man and people today are just generating society because we're so connected. It's a beautiful thing to be connected, but it's exhausting. And if anybody here right now doesn't feel exhausted about what's happening in Ukraine and they're not physically affected or psychologically affected, good for them, because most of us are.
Speaker 2:I wake up in the morning and I watch German news. I can. I don't watch American news. I watch German news. They tend to be pretty straightforward, you know, ever since nice, ever since 1945. And they kind of put it out there and they give you different perspective. I, I, it's actually. They have a German English channel.
Speaker 2:You know, they do talk like these. Some of the English is very nice. Yeah, it's great, but I'll tell you it is the best news channel because they're they're connected with the people. You could they're. They're it's it's not some guy making $12 million a year, you know. It's a guy making a hundred, maybe a hundred, maybe 65,000 euros in after taxes. You know he's making 22. But the thing is that there is this genuineness behind a lot of the news. The German I watch German news because it's a little more genuine. But yeah, there is this anxiety that every time there's going to be a crisis, every time something's going to happen around the world, people are going to freak out and also we are trying to protect, overprotect society from the bad. The other day, somebody took you know, I was telling them they're like oh yeah, but I wish schools they prohibited bullies. I'm like what?
Speaker 2:You know, and I'm like you know, as a child I was, I was bullied.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, same. You know I was in a boarding school. I was bullied. I was kind of a bully, depending on the day, you know it depends Exactly.
Speaker 2:Sometimes you're, you were the bully, Sometimes you were bullied and that was it's part of the learning lesson.
Speaker 1:If I wasn't, then, I would be a vastly different person than I am today, and I would view people vastly differently. Exactly, and you have.
Speaker 2:It's good to have to learn to deal with bullies and it's good to feel regret from those you bullied Exactly. And, to tell the truth, I have more in my head the few moments that I bullied someone. There was a young Polish kid. I remember like it was yesterday. I know the moment, I know where it was and I bullied him and I know that and that is stapled in me. It's a tattoo that I can't get rid of, you know. So it wasn't a learning experience just from being bullied and being the victim, but also victimizing other kids that if I would ever come across him I would apologize and I can assure you he would tell me it made me better.
Speaker 1:Exactly Because you think about it when you're a kid. But then they're still alive, they're living life. They've long forgotten or grown from that scenario.
Speaker 2:The bully remembers more than the bullied.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would agree, but to kind of full circle here and we'll wrap it up because we've this is going to be a two-parter, no doubt. But we were saying about how you know social media. To an extent, the technology of today can kind of go into you and there's a lot of negative things. If it's implemented appropriately, great. But with Ukraine, I think one thing that we are seeing is the benefits if implemented properly. What social media can do is the fact that, all right, we are now at this stage where we are seeing the absolute best scenario, which is hey, putin, not super chill right now, you're just murdering a bunch of our people. The freaking soldiers that are under you aren't even okay with it. This is the best outcome of what social media? Well, not the best, but this is one of the better outcomes of social media. Yeah, it can have stresses to us, but you know, one dude's murdering thousands to hundreds of thousands of people at the moment. Hopefully that number doesn't get higher.
Speaker 2:Well, absolutely, it's just a very loud microphone. Social media is just a very loud microphone that can be used for good, you know, or for bad, you know. You can have a guy like Donald Trump go out there and promote horrible, xenophobic, you know, dog whistling statements just so he can get some likes. Or us finding out and communicating with people we didn't know existed three minutes ago. So, yes, this is a good side of social media, but nobody talks about it. Nobody goes out there and says thank you, Instagram, thank you Facebook thank you.
Speaker 2:Whatsapp, thank no. It's only the bad that they talk about and, again, thanks to social media, we're so much more connected with an area that in the past would have been absolutely isolated and ignored. So, yeah, us being connected has a good side and a bad side, but at the end it's progress. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I agree, and I just I really think it just comes down to the developers, man, like they have to realize that the way that they create this technology is crucial to how it like in the meaning, the algorithms, the way that they mine for user data. It needs to be changed, I mean. But that's me thinking of the mental damage, but anyways. So, moving on from that, for Nina, this has been amazing. Man, I'm so happy to have you on to speak on Spain, to speak on your entrepreneurial journey, and just you being a world citizen. I always ask one question to all of my guests at the end of the show If you could take all of your life experiences, turn around and give all of those experiences into one piece of advice, what would that piece of advice be?
Speaker 2:Wow, it's because you said one and the word one, and I don't want to be, I don't want to throw too much of a cliche. No, I'll go on then, but I go back to literally go back to the second. You wake up in the morning Ask yourself am I going to generate well being or not? That's, that's what I tell people, because well being is, it's a self reflection, is it's because when you generate well being man, it's the definition of happiness, because you make yourself happy and you just have to share that happiness with others and he generates well being. That's all you have to do. So be happy, you know. Genuinely, genuinely be happy.
Speaker 1:Wake up and check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Speaker 2:Just wake up and go. What am I going to do good today?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that man, I love that. And then one more thing also. First off, if anybody is in Barcelona, it's a quick train ride down. Come to see, just great area. You have the needy bar down here. Is there any other thing? If people want to get in contact with you, if for some reason they're listening to an English podcast in Spain and they're interested in come be the pride butcher that pronunciation, how do they get in contact?
Speaker 2:No, they can go to multi terrain dot org. If they don't know how to spell multi terrain, they can try it six or seven times.
Speaker 1:I'll put it on the show now, it's easier that way.
Speaker 2:They can send me an email through there. Okay, and again, they can come to see. Just go to needy bar, ask for Fernando, and I am literally 28 seconds away. So any person that wants to come and have a conversation, I'm more than happy to entertain.
Speaker 1:Sweet Fernando. Thank you so much, man Supplier Cheers. And that wraps up another episode of thoughts of a random citizen. If you guys are familiar with torque united or thoughts of a random citizen, you'll know that we want to enable entrepreneurs, freelancers, digital nomads and investors to better collaborate and network with one another to implement their innovations around the world. If that seems like something that you're interested in being a freelancer, a startup founder, an entrepreneur who is interested in not only traveling the world but networking with a group of investors head over to torque united reach out to us and let us know so we can include you on the upcoming platform that we're in the process of developing. And if I can give any bit of advice, I would say the world is a beautiful freakin place and you shouldn't spend it all in one place. Otherwise, have a great rest of your week. And that wraps up another episode of thoughts of a random citizen. Thank you everyone so much for tuning back in. For those who are new listeners, welcome and I appreciate you joining. I hope you enjoyed the podcast and our guests today.
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