Today's Horsewoman
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Today's Horsewoman
Jillian Whitlow, Chef, Entrepreneur, Horsewoman
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Jillian Whitlow is a trained Chef, Business Entrepreneur and horsewoman. She has some wonderful insights into how life changes as we mature and what life after horses looks like. I know you will relate!
Thanks for tuning in to today's Horsewoman Podcast. Our show explores women in the horse industry as they share their dreams, challenges, successes. What drives these women? Well, let's find out. This is Rose Cushing, and I'm the host of today's Horsewoman Podcast. Today I'm so excited because Gillian Whitlow is on my podcast, and Jillian is an Arabian horse breeder and has some outstanding stock, but she's also a chef, so she has a lot of interesting facets to her personality. So, Jillian, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER_00Thanks, Rose. I'm so glad to be back. It's been a couple of years, so I'm glad to catch up with you again.
Rose CushingMe too. How is Mayan doing? He's so beautiful. He's in the background as in the picture. He is.
SPEAKER_00Um, he's doing great. He's actually living uh such a wonderful life. It's so great to be able to watch. I'm able to look out my window. He's living with a gelding, um, my riding, Polish riding gelding, and they have become very close buddies. And so it's really nice to be able to watch him just live a very natural and happy life that he um has now, that we've kind of slowed down things. And um, you know, he's fat, happy, loves to roll in the dirt. He does not like to be the pristine white gray that he once was. Um, it makes my anxiety go up, but he is living his happy life, that's for sure.
Rose CushingI'm sure, and his offspring, I'm sure, are going on to do big things.
SPEAKER_00They are, and I still have two of his daughters that I have um kept, and they're actually in the pasture across from him. So he likes to be able to watch them. And when they kind of um go in the tree line, he stands at the gate and he watches them and kind of watches over. So it's nice to kind of see, even though we're down to four horses on the property now, um, it's still nice to kind of see the herd dynamic, even though they're living in groups of two, and kind of him watching over and then kind of watching the way the mares uh kind of you know communicate with him across the the driveway.
Rose CushingSo yeah, definitely. One of my favorite parts when I raised horses was the breeding and you know, and seeing how they responded to each other and all the love that they had for one another, it's it's really beautiful.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's definitely a community. You know, it's it's funny because so in my immediate family, it's me, my husband, and my two girls, and we call it the core four, and now we're down to my core four horses. So it really kind of makes it kind of nice to have my core four family and my core four family horses as well.
Rose CushingFor sure, for sure. So your girls are getting big now, are they riding?
SPEAKER_00Um, they do more on the day-to-day basis, they are very busy with school and they both do travel volleyball. Gianna, my oldest, is getting ready to turn 16. So she's I know, so we're doing all of the college kind of things, and she's very, very involved in travel volleyball and school volleyball. And she actually assistant coached this year with volleyball with one of the travel teams. Um, and you know, I think that it will always be a part of both of my girls. Um, they're more, um, I think because I didn't really force them to be the way, you know, like you have to do this or you have to do this, they enjoy enjoying them. Um, when I ride and I interact with the horses, they want to be a part of it. So I think that it's more of that community and that family dynamic. And maybe it will change as they get older. I think our story kind of changed a little bit of the direction just because when mom died in 2018 and that focus shifted a little bit, um, it became a little bit different in that sense. So I think they enjoy it because it it makes me happy and they saw their grandmother enjoy it. But um, you know, I think today's day it's very difficult to just kind of focus on that with school and sports and kind of just enjoying it in a different way.
Rose CushingI admire you for letting them be who they are. My my kids have no desire for horses, and and you know, my son enjoys riding when he rides, but that's once every five years. Yeah, so they have that love, but they don't have that passion. Right, right.
SPEAKER_00And I think um Ainsley, who is 11, she's a lot like me. She loves the day-to-day and the connection and that side of things. Um, and I think she has more of it ingrained. She's more of the animal lover, the passionate in that sense. She loves the dogs. Um, the dogs actually wait for her, they hear her alarm in the mornings and they wait for her by the door. So I think she has more of that side. Gianna is just kind of like in that teenage state of, you know, I have all these other things, and um, you know, so I don't I don't make them do it because I was never made that it was, you know, it was still part of my daily life, but it was never made to make it my thing. Um even though it was my thing. Um, you know, but I don't I find that it's harder to raise kids now in this time than I think it was probably for my mom, you know, in my generation growing up. Um you have so many outside distractions. I didn't really have anything else, right? So like I cooked and I did horses. So I didn't have a whole lot of other things to do. So do you still show it all? We don't. Um, you know, things got very expensive. I'm I'm happy to watch all of Maeon's babies and kind of Empire Egyptian's horses still out there representing without me having to foot the bill anymore. Um we just now, I think that the focus for me shifted a couple years ago of realizing my girls were not going to take this on in the future. And I didn't want to keep putting my heart and soul and financial side of things into it a thousand percent the way that I was, if it wasn't going to kind of go much further than where it was for me. So, you know, I had to look at things in a different scope to be able to kind of look at things financially and what I'm doing with my family and what, you know, even just the emotional toll that it was taking on me on a daily basis of the stress and anxiety and um, you know, not being able to go away with my family the same way because you have 30 horses sitting in the back and you know, losing sleep over babies and things like that. So I really had to look at it as what do I need, and then what do my kids need from me now and in the future? So we made that decision to kind of slow all of that stuff down and just keep my core four horses for who knows. Uh that story is kind of still being written for all of us. Um, but right now it's kind of just for me to be able to go and enjoy. My friends really enjoy also coming over and enjoying the time with them too.
Rose CushingI think horses are such a wonderful gift to us because you don't have to ride them or show them to get the maximum amount of pleasure from them. I mean, for me, just have driving in the driveway and they meet me at the fence, you know, for a long time was enough. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And I think that right now it feels like home, right? Like it when I pull in, I know that I have my two boys on one side, my two girls on the other side, and it feels very comforting for me. Um, and it's something, you know, I was born into this. So it's been 42 years of me having horses, and it feels like a part of me. Yeah. But for me, just you know, being able to drive in the driveway, like you said, and see them, and you know, they're part of my family. And so knowing that they are still there, uh, and I have access to them when I need it. Uh, they're great emotional support when I'm having a bad day. I can go stand in the front yard and touch my horses and breathe with my horses, and they kind of reset those that energy side of things for me. So I think that we as a society have to find ways of maybe finding that balance and that kind of the re-centering and whatever that looks like. But for me, the animal connection is still there. So I think I use them in a different way than what I kind of quote unquote used them prior.
Rose CushingI at my house, you know, um I bred quarter horses for a long time. And at some point we had 50 here on the property. And when we got older, you know, I you they wouldn't hurt me and I wasn't afraid of them, but accidents happen and you don't bounce back. So now all I have on my property is a donkey, and Kate will be here till I die because I had to have something, and she's little and she's easy. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I mean, obviously, you know, as we start aging, things definitely change for us. I had back surgery in August, and so I had a friend, we had a some friends over um a couple weeks ago, and everybody got on bareback and you know, we're riding, and it was great, but it was great for me that I could share that with my friends, and they were like, You want to get on? And I was like, you know, here's the thing is I do want to get on, but my back is still not a hundred percent, and it's just not you start thinking of it in a very different, protective way, right? I'm a mom, I work full-time, I also have to take care of myself and my children and my horses. And how do I do that if I accidentally fall off again? You know, it's the accidents, um, you know, so at least I know that I can share it in a very different way. Um, and actually, I have a friend in the community that asked, Hey, do you still do riding lessons? And I said, Well, I really don't, but you know, if you want to come out and you want to visit, you know, I'm happy to kind of share my passion with you. And she said, I guess riding lessons is not really what I was looking for. She goes, I just really love horses and I want to learn about it. And I said, That's great. I said, that's exactly what I would love to do for you. I and she's in a period of transition and getting ready to move and kind of start a new chapter of her life. And I said, Well, the starting point for us is out in the pasture and just kind of what that connection is and you know, learning about really bringing it back to the basics. Um, you know, I think I was wonderfully taught the basics of that human-horse connection before I was allowed to really ride and what that actually truly looks like. And, you know, in my personal opinion, obviously, with the I've really only been exposed to Arabians and specifically, you know, the straight Egyptian over the last, you know, 30 years, but their horse-human connection is so ingrained and so deep with them that I think if we really stopped and listened to the way that these horses communicate and what they really can do for us, I think that there's a lot of power in that moving forward. And so I'm kind of looking at it in the same way that my mom did, but maybe even more so in the perimenopause, hormonal, 40-year-old chaotic world that we're living in for me, and how that can really help kind of heal the inside moving forward.
Rose CushingAbsolutely. And keep you grounded and stable, you know. The things they give us are just unlimited. I mean, you know, in every way, there's so many things we can learn from them and experience and heal with them that they're such a gift. I I see a passage now and then that says, I'm not gonna give you wings because I don't want people to know that you're an angel. Yeah. But you know, how blessed are we that that though they are?
SPEAKER_00Well, and you know, my mom, so um, with the Strait Egyptians, it was their their coined phrases to fly without wings. And I after, um, and that was always something my mom always kind of equated back to us as well, is you don't have to fly necessarily to have your wings, right? Is metaphorically of you know, not necessarily the angel side, but you don't, you know, if you watch these horses, they float like they're flying and they don't have wings, but we can also as humans use that as our power to push us and propel us without having the wings side of things. And so um I had that tattooed on to me um I think a year after mom passed away. And I just think if you really kind of look at also that quote of just kind of thinking, you know, and now raising two girls in this society, of thinking, you know, I'm not here to put the roadblocks, but there's so much power and so much healing that can be done by just sitting there and being like, you know, it's you can fly, you may not have those wings, but it looks like you're flying and you have the power to be able to do that. So I think if we really kind of bring it all back to the horses, and I was, you know, again learned all of these things without really knowing that I was learning all of these things. And so now if I can kind of pass it on to my girls and, you know, friends and you know, family and people that I care about, or people that just reach out and say, you know, I'm kind of struggling. And I think if we break it down, the amount of healing that animals in general can give us, um, and just really that moment of time of 10, five, 10 minutes of stopping and taking a deep breath and having a different connection, that it's very quiet, I think can offer a lot of solace for all of us moving forward.
Rose CushingI certainly agree. So now that you're not in the horse world as much as you were, um, what are you doing?
SPEAKER_00So I'm still working full-time with a food distribution company. I did just take a promotion and I'm in business development, which is I really thrive because I love the business side of things, still in food, because food is still something that I uh horses and food have always been my passion. Um, and then I also uh just recently got my certification in functional nutrition. Uh again, looking at the healing aspect, I think over the course of probably my entire life, I have not been great about kind of, I think on the outside it looks like I take care of myself, but on the inside, I, you know, I might eat correctly, but I'm not really doing a lot of the other aspects that your body really needs to keep in check. So I think again, hitting those 40s, raising two teenagers with a very chaotic society, a very stressful food uh culture job. Uh, and dealing also with finally, maybe eight years later, dealing with the passing of my mom and what that really truly looks like for me moving forward, especially not having the horses in the same capacity. So I really have focused a lot on the gut and hormone health journey and food being my passion, of how I can kind of look at the food side of fuel and healing, but still making it fun and delicious and not the same cardboard, you know, chicken and rice, and here we go. And again, looking at the horses of how basic all of the fundamentals we really need to be able to be quote unquote healthy. Um, so kind of equating that back to what fuels our gut and how that kind of helps our mind and our entire body. So I'm working on that. And then, you know, I started a sourdough journey, which I've always kind of been on a sourdough and bread journey because I, you know, went to culinary school and always cook and all of that, but um really have taken so now that's all we eat. We don't eat anything else, and kind of also again looking at the health side of the sourdough. And so I just started teaching some classes on that because the community, I think again, we need the connection, we need something to kind of keep our minds and our hands busy, but in a reset, restful, nutritional way of being able to do that. And I think that us as a society, we're kind of craving the quiet things, and I think sourdough seems very scary but obtainable for people. So uh we've kind of delved into that recently as well. That's so cool.
Rose CushingIn in my um interim, since we've talked, I I too, because I'm older, have concerned with nutrition, and our food system is so bad. And I I got certified as an herbalist. And I went to school and I took the classes because I wanted to be sure that what I told people was accurate. And now I make a line of um chemical-free stuff like cleaners and and soaps and all those kind of household products that you use. And you could literally eat them and they wouldn't hurt you, right? But they have herbs in them that do good things for you. So um the sourdough intrigues me greatly. That's one I haven't mastered.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and now I'm actually now I'm like, okay, I got the sourdough. Now I'm gonna really start looking at the flour, right? Because now I think when you can control so many things, and obviously, you know, I am a healthy person, but I don't want to say that I don't do chemicals because there are certain things that I'm just like, listen, I like X, Y, and Z, and it's just not something. But if you can control some of the other things that we're doing for ourselves, um, then I think that's great. So now I'm kind of looking at, all right, do I mill my own grains or do I pair up being in the food industry? I'm very lucky of being in a distributor position that's a broad line. So I work with a lot of vendors and brokers, and um, so I have access to a lot of things. Obviously, it's bulk, but still cheaper than you know, buying kind of that bleached, bromated, all those things that we're kind of putting in. So again, looking at the sourdough portion, if it's something that's very easily to control of being, okay, well, so now I have my sourdough and I'm controlling the water that I'm putting in there. The next piece I feel like is my flower. So I'm kind of looking at some of that stuff next as my. So I might just be out here milling some grains the next time we talk.
Rose CushingWho knows what's gonna happen, Rose? Well, you know, the ancient grains are so healthy, so that's such a good way to go, you know, and and look at them. And yeah, and you can buy the berries now too and mill your own. So that's really cool. I guess we could grow our own too. I I'm not sure if they'll grow in North Carolina, but they might.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, there's actually, I was just doing research. Um, there's actually, so there's a place in Charlotte that my company um uses uh that makes flour and for most of our pizza doughs. And then there's also one actually in Mebin in North Carolina that they do. And so I'm actually gonna go there tomorrow and go buy, and it's like 50 cents a pound to buy. Um, so I was like, as much flour as I'm going through. So I think I can start experimenting with some really clean flowers and see how it kind of reacts. So again, I think it's not necessarily, I think where it gets overwhelming for people just nutritionally, is they take on too much, right? Is we have to go 100% clean and we have to like, you know, do 100% organic and it's really not applicable, especially like to start off. So I always tell everybody like focus on one or two things because at least you're able to, you know, that you can accomplish those, right? So, okay, if I'm taking bread, buying bread out of the system and we eat bread every single day, then if I'm controlling the bread, then I know that it's healthy, right? So now if I'm able to control the flour that I'm putting into the bread, so just chunk it off and it doesn't become so overwhelming. I think we're in a society, again, is that it's all or nothing. And I think we have to kind of get out of that idea of being like, oh, well, if I do this, I'm gonna lose 100 pounds overnight. And it's not all or nothing, right? I've been on a health journey and a weight loss journey for you know nine, 10 years. And you know, can't it's a never-ending story for me. But I can sit here and say 90% of the time I'm making good choices and understand the choices that I'm putting in my body, and I'm having that conversation with myself of is this worth it? Is it not worth it? What does this do to my body? Um, but it didn't happen overnight and it was not an all or nothing situation. So sure.
Rose CushingI agree a hundred percent. I think you know, just any little change you make makes you better. So, you know, just figure out what you can live without. And when you start tasting how good the food is, when you get rid of all the preservatives, makes it a whole lot easier to hang with it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And somebody said, Well, why does this bread go bad so quick? And I said, It's because there's nothing in it. I was like, There's nothing to stop it from molding. So, in theory, like all of our food should be that way, right? If you yeah, I mean, if you take a piece of fruit and you put it on the counter, it molds very quickly. That is a good indication that it's probably good for you. So if the world breaks it down quick, then it probably is very good because your body is then going to be able to process it and break it down. If something sits on the counter for three weeks and it does not change shape, color, texture, or taste, then your body is probably not able to process it. So yeah, um, again, I'm, you know, I'm not a hundred percent because and I will sit here and I will say, I get Botox in my face, and that's what everybody's like, I don't understand. And I said, listen, you don't have to understand my journey, but these are the things that I don't decide to take out of my body, and maybe in the future it will change for me. I don't know, but right now I'm able to control a good more than 50% of what is putting into my body, and I know how it feels and how it reacts. So everything else is, you know, everybody's journey is everybody's journey.
Rose CushingSo I'm sitting here drinking Diet Pepsi and I know it's the worst thing I could put in me. We all have it, yeah. We all have it, you know. But I try to make up for it because I eat good. Right.
SPEAKER_00And if you drink your water, it's okay.
Rose CushingAbsolutely. And I do, I do balance it out with water, but you know, you you're right. And you can't the the all or nothing concept is so foolish because you can't stick to it. Right. So to do a few things each week, and I try to integrate, like every week, I say, now did I eat greens? And if I haven't, I need to put them in the menu, you know, and just add little things as you go, and pretty soon you'll get in the rhythm and it'll be easy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So I've been working, I've been, um, after my certification, I've been working a lot with one-on-one, one-on-one training and coaching, but I also run a six-week kind of a reset. And it's not necessarily for me, I know how I function and most women, and I don't, I I only really work mostly with women. And I'm sure that the idea for men would be the same, but because I kind of look at the gut and the health hormone side of things, it's you know, a hundred percent women right now, but nutritionally speaking, it would go for men or women uh and at all ages, but it's not about necessarily what I try to focus on with everybody is not taking, I don't want to look at it as I'm taking out. I'm going to re I'm going to add in the good things so that it you understand what it feels like and what it tastes like and how it makes you feel. And in turn, you're gonna probably end up taking the stuff that maybe doesn't make you feel great out just by proxy, right? So it's not me sitting here. We know that if somebody makes me a meal plan and they're like, you're not allowed to have any sugar for the next six months. I know for me that's not gonna be sustainable. I need access to it. I don't eat it very often, but if I want it, I want to be able to give it to myself and then say, okay, you know what? That was too much. I'm not gonna do it for a couple of weeks, but when I want it, I should be able to have access to it. So it's more the mindset of sitting there being like, I'm going to add these really great, nutritionally dense things that taste good and are very basic. So that in turn it makes you realize maybe that stuff, other stuff didn't make you feel great and you're going to lessen it, right? So I think that's where the sustainability comes in, is that it's not this, I'm taking all these things away because I'm still giving myself access to it. It just happens to be that my body then doesn't want it that much more anymore, just because it doesn't make me feel good. So it's also really paying attention. I think we've gotten very caught up of just doing things and not really stopping and realizing what do I need today? Do I need to take a break? Do I need to have more water? Do I need some caffeine? Do I need a little pick-me-up? Do I need to treat myself? And really stopping and really realizing maybe what we need for the day and how it then makes us feel. If it starts not feeling good to us, whether that's people you surround yourself with or a job or where you're living or something in those situations, I think we have to stop and really start thinking about how it makes us feel because that's just a compound. Every single day is just adding more and more, you know, quote unquote negativity into our lives. So, how can we kind of take that out? It's really just paying attention to what it makes us feel like.
Rose CushingIt's kind of funny, isn't it? That when when you reach this side of the world and you realize that what you eat matters, you look you realize the gut was it all along, just like in the horses. It's all about your gut. And you know, all the good things I learned about life, I learned from being in the horse business.
SPEAKER_00Yes, yes, and you know, that gut instinct is also an emotional instinct, right? And if you watch the horses, right, like say all of a sudden they're out in the pasture and um a plastic bag comes into their field, right? They don't truly know what it is or if it's going to get them, but what is their gut telling them? So I think again, that that herd behavior, that that instinct, that flight and fight kind of mentality, I think that we need to start listening to that a little bit more. That if we feel like we need to flight, then we probably need to flight. And that can be nutrition, that can be a toxic relationship, it can be so many different things. And I think we've equated it in a broader side of things of being like, oh, well, you're gonna either remove yourself from the situation or you're gonna fight it. And I was like, I think that it's actually a bigger thing is that is if you look at the horses and the herd behavior and how they protect themselves and each other, if something doesn't feel good, they will either stand up to it or they remove themselves from that situation. And so I think that really it's me also realizing now in my 40s, it's not always I have to do X and I have to do Y, but I think sometimes it is just listening to my gut and how things make me feel, um, and paying attention, you know, 99% of the time, these horses are just out there living their lives, right? They don't have an agenda, they don't wake up every single morning and say, This is what I'm gonna do today. They're just out here surviving. Um, but really paying attention to how they react to things and even people that walk into their space of how they react. And it's like, okay, well, maybe I don't, maybe I was also getting the same feeling from this person, but I didn't want to see it. But since my horse told me that this was not a good relationship, maybe we need to circle back and remove this person. So um, again, I think nutritionally, when we all also say, What is your gut telling you? I think hormonally, I think emotionally, mentally, the horses have it figured out. And so it's also kind of stopping and realizing, huh, for centuries they've been doing this. Maybe I should pay attention a little bit more.
Rose CushingYeah. And it's not really all that hard. You know, we make it so much harder than it really is. It's just trust in your own instincts for sure. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I have enjoyed talking with you so much and learning. How can people find out about your horses and your classes and the things you're doing?
SPEAKER_00So the easiest way, um, I try to funnel everything through Instagram just because it's like one component, pretty much, for me to be able to check. You can find me on Facebook. I'm under Gillian Amato Whitlow. Amado was my maiden name. And then um also Chef Gillian W on my Instagram. And I also have a nutrition page on there, but I can kind of funnel some of that information over. Um, but I do one-on-one coaching, I make it affordable and easy, everything is virtual. You can go as in-depth as you want or as basic as you need because I do know how hard it is to find time. Um, the six-week online uh reset classes that I do meet virtual, but if you can't meet in person, everything is recorded and sent out, so you still have a nice um resource to be able to go back once you um start taking the class. And then um the horses, we're still in Timberlake, North Carolina, and we are always up for visitors. My horses love it, we love it. Um, and then I post kind of post everything on my Instagram and Facebook. So you get some horses, you get kids, you get food, you get nutrition, you get all of it over there.
Rose CushingAnd for you guys out there listening, I've taken classes with Jillian, and I trust me, you will not be disappointed because everything she's ever taught me was a thousand times better than when I started.
SPEAKER_00And we're gonna get you on your sourdough journey next, Rose.
Rose CushingYes, ma'am. I I have to do that. I can't believe I can't ferment anything. We got it, we got it. Yeah, I just need a little guidance, but I know that we'll do that, and I'll be signing up for that right away. So thanks for being on the show today. I've really enjoyed catching up, and it's always good to see mine in the background there. Do you do you stud him out?
SPEAKER_00I do not. I have frozen um semen still available. Um, we don't stud him out. I we have frozen available if anybody would like any, but I don't do any fresh or cooled anymore. Um time. And you know, he really is very happy living. He's got like 12 acres of grass that he lives. And when the bugs start bothering him, uh I bring him into the barn and he gets foiled with some fans and a little bit of a break. But he uh is just very happy living, and I am so grateful for what he has done for the industry that I feel like my pay it forward for him is to allow him the space to be a horse and happy and green grass, and up until like two or three years ago, he had never been outside with another horse, right? Like he's always been with other horses, but with things in between him, and he had to kind of learn some P's and Q's. But it was nice to watch how he understood this was not something you breed. This is something you just live with. A good yelling teaching that. Yep, and my gelding George is very good now. They kind of understand man's actually the boss, but not really. He thinks he's the boss, but he is a boss for a little while and then he goes back to eh, maybe. But um, I do have frozen available. I have two of his daughters that I still have on property that I will probably end up selling because I do think that they are really in the top 1% of the population as far as quality. And I think it would be an absolute waste for them to sit here in Timberlake and just be my emotional support pets. Uh, but you know, we also know that industry is very difficult right now, just um, you know, with pricing and cost of everything. And so it would have to be a really great fit that I knew that they were going to a great breeding farm that was going to keep on going with things.
Rose CushingSo right, right. I understand that. Well, thanks for being on the show. And folks, be sure to look Jillian up, take some of her classes and go out and see her magnificent horses because they truly are worth the trip out there. And uh, thanks a lot. And thank you guys for us. All right. I hope you enjoyed today's show. Our souls wander in similar places. Even though we may not know each other, we touch the same wind, we walk under the same sky, and our hearts wander in the same dreams. We are one. Women, just like you and me. Thank you for listening,